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Hey everybody, welcome to Watch Up Crapids, the podcast about all the crap we love to talk about on Bravo. I'm Ronny Karen from trash.tv.com, and I'm with Ben Mandelker from beatsideblog.com. Hello Benjamin, well hello. And we're also here with Matt Whitfield of Yahoo TV. Hello Matthew. Hey guys, the gang is all back. We are back the first time and a long time that we are all back here in one place. So thank God it's hard doing it with just one of you, no offense. But I like to zone out a lot and like stare out the window and just like wonder about things while you guys talk, and it's hard to have to talk the whole time. Three sums are better, but everybody should know that by now. Yeah. Well you guys, we are doing this live on YouTube. You can find us on our YouTube channel, youtube.com/thetvclick, or we talk crap with everybody who's listening live on our Facebook page, which is statesbook.com/watchwattcrapids. You can also tweet us questions at what crapids you can find Ben on all of the social media, including Twitter, Instagram, Vine, Facebook, at beside blog, and you can find Matt at all the social media blog lives at life on the M list. And you can find me Ronnie on Twitter at Ronnie Caram or on YouTube/TrashTalkTV, T-E-E-V-E. So let's get to talking, y'all, what you watch this week. I'm obsessed with the nanny spin-off dare I say. Well actually, before we start talking shows, why don't we talk about some gossip because a lot of it is going on this week. Can we please start with the rumor that Gretchen is officially out of OC? Yes. Please. I was thinking about that this morning, oddly enough, I woke up thinking about that, which is a really bad sign for me that I wake up thinking about Gretchen Rossi. But I was thinking that getting rid of Gretchen is a big move. Even though her story line has sucked, and Slade sucks, and Slade has brought her down, and Slade has been the demise of Gretchen. Getting rid of Gretchen is a big deal because, you know, what's so much of the drama of the past few seasons, especially the reunion, has been fueled by Tamra hitting on Gretchen. And now we don't have that anymore. Well, guess what Tamra, your spin-off sucked, bitch. So I would rather watch Gretchen and Slade get married than you. Yeah. Do you think they're really getting rid of this terrible? She should never try to be an ice person. She should, they only spin off. What? Yes. She's already telling people, she's already telling like friends, people are telling me on Twitter that she is saying that it was her decision, that she has decided to go in her own way, whatever, and that she really didn't get fired. Oh, please. Well, her own way. Please. Yeah. She doesn't have her own way. Like if she leaves, oh, see, there's nothing left for her to do. The only possible thing for her to do, the only other direction she should go into is if HGTV offered her a show where she can find the most rooster art at TJ Maxx and Steinmark. That's two, HGTV is way too highbrow for that show. I don't know the game, Venus show, but they probably learned their lesson on that one. They're like, okay, Gretchen, here's what we want you to do. We want you to find as many fake patisserie items as you can find as possible. We don't have to do a horse show in every different language. Yeah, Paris, Paris, Paris to find as many candlesticks as possible. The more ornate, the better. Okay. Questions. Are we going to have a problem if Alexis leaves the show? I don't think that that is going to be a big deal and some of the reports this week were saying that Alexis was already on the shopping block for this past season, but at the last minute, one of their housewife had to pull out, so they just tossed Alexis back in. I'm convinced she's definitely a goner and it won't be a problem. If Gretchen leaves, it will be a problem. Yeah. Well, the thing is this great. And there was also another you first. I was just going to say Gretchen's just gotten so stale. I can't imagine what they would be able to eke out of her for another season. Well, if all these other bitches are getting very darabra, why not her? Too late. I think we're all done with all these marriages, especially after Real Housewives of Miami, which we'll get to later, but I think we've all had enough of these old ladies getting married for the 20th time on TV like enough already enough of that. But there's been an article going on about around about these, I don't know what's wrong with me today. There's an article going around about these firings that are saying that Alexis is fired because she has an eating disorder and it gets especially bad when they're filming. So everybody felt really bad for, oh, it's a blind item, by the way. So it doesn't say Alexis, but one of them has an eating disorder, and her husband is a douchebag. And the other one has a drug problem and was stopping to show about her and her seal list or fiance to other rival networks. Well, first of all, I don't know if just because Alexis doesn't know what cauliflower is or broccoli doesn't mean she's eating disorder or just means she doesn't know things. Okay. I was just going to say that. And Ronnie just described the entire cast because if we're talking about eating disorders and shopping problems and douchebag husbands, anybody could apply there. Anybody. What's that food where it's like, it's sort of like, it's meaty and white and it tastes like things, but it comes, it's on bones. You mean chicken? Yes. It's not an eating disorder. Hey, what's that vegetable? And it's green and it comes in those like pods. I remember trying one in an opening of pee in the pod, but I don't remember what it was. They're like green things with little round things and I mean, snow peas? No. No, it's not it. They don't grow. Nothing grows in snow. That's a stupid man. Hey. Hey, what's that fish that like, it's sort of like red and white stripes and it's like in a little curl and I like to like, put it, hold it up by its tail because it looks like a little J for Jesus and you can put it in your mouth. It's like really small. And sometimes people refer to it, refer to small things by calling it that. What's that thing? A shrimp. A shrimp. Shrimp. That sounds weird. I don't think it's a shrimp. No. Sorry. It's shrimp. It's like the little fish. It's curled and then you have to take off the tail. That's a shrimp. Okay. That sounds about right. Don't just remind me what a tail is again. That's a like, this is eating disorder. She doesn't know anything else. Is this what the... Oh, of course you can like this. Is this the kind of shit that you people talked about when I was in here last week? No, we just talked about you, Matt. I get worried that you boys get sidetracked and spiral out of control on shit-lagged scrims. We actually... Well, after what happened on Miami this week and I mean nothing, we have plenty to make up for it. So wait, what other gossip is there? Oh, God. Okay. Is there more gossip? Well, obviously that was the biggest gossip. What else? Jill's there and got drunk at some wedding and fell into a pool. That was pretty fun. That's good. You can't just... You just can't like sweep over that so quickly. That is amazing. She fell into a shut-up pool. Okay, go ahead. Talk about it. Yeah. I really have nothing else to say. Talk about it, Matt. Talk about it. It's basically a real headline. It's such a warm recipe. The real headline. Back to the podcast. I really appreciate it. Wait, we greeted you with the show tunes before the show started, so I think that was actually a pretty warm warm. I would like to complain about something because I do that so well. Okay. I follow Andy Cohen on Instagram and normally I just like to see when people are in the clubhouse if they're people that I enjoy, but I have a real problem with something he posted yesterday. He loves a selfie and every once in a while, you know, we're capable of posting selfies that are stupid, but he posted himself in his dressing room before going on air and he was just like, "Ugh, guys, I'm so bored," and I'm like, "You are rich and famous. You have your own TV show. You're showing your thousands upon thousands of followers that you have a private dressing room and all you're doing is sitting around and complaining that you're bored. Fuck you." Yeah. Listen, Andy Cohen is ridiculous. We all know that. I mean, I don't know what the deal is with Andy Cohen, which if he asks you to be a guest bartender on a show, would you go on or no? Not after the last night. I'm sorry, but like, I don't know. I really can't stand these celebrities. You know, he's first of all, he's like sea-grade, but people would kill to have his job and have his life. So how dare he sit there and complain about being bored. I just-- Well, you know what? It drives me crazy. Well, you know what I don't like about it is that he obviously wants an excuse, "Oh, someone has joined the call." Well, I think it's probably Ron-- I mean, is Ron still with us, or is he frozen? He just occurred to me. He's been in the same position for quite a while. Oh, there's Ron. I have to-- I have to-- It just occurred to you. It just occurred to you that I wasn't here. I was not for so long, Jerks. I thought you were like unhappy with-- because Matt like made this when I'm like a rant. And then we were both quiet, so I thought you just didn't have anything to say. So then I started speaking. I was like, "Okay, well, if Ronnie's not going to contribute, then I'll say something." I also can't hear anything Ronnie's saying. Me neither. It's funny because Ronnie's talking, but he-- Nothing's coming out. And the funny thing is if I'm going to complain about Andy Cohn, I'm going to complain about another thing. I hate these as videos. Well, I think-- Too bad. I think too bad. Well, we're right in the middle of one, we've got live viewers. This is what happens when you've got live podcasts. Yeah. Can you hear Ronnie? I'm complaining about. Sorry, this is really-- Oh, there's Ronnie. There's Ronnie. So to anyone who's listening to this on audio, you're missing some exciting stuff, which is basically-- Yeah, just cut it out. Cut it out, Ben. Cut it out. Cut it out later. Okay. Oh, big Matt Rath, I'm so sad. What were you talking about? I was talking about this tweet or Instagram photo, where-- there we go-- Andy Cohn trying to give some like gay face, sitting in his dressing room, saying, "So, so, so, so bored, bored, restless, restless in my dressing room, I need a dog. Shut up, Andy Cohn. Shut up." It was just-- you know what it was? It was just an excuse to take a selfie. And that's what I don't like. If someone's going to take a selfie, be up front and be like, "I'm taking a selfie because I want to take a selfie of myself," but don't do this whole thing up, so bored, I got nothing to do. I wish I had a dog. I was going to take a picture of myself. Like, don't do that, Andy Cohn. Shut up, Andy Cohn. Shut up. I don't even want to be a bartender in your stupid ass show anyway. Yeah. Yeah, wait a minute. Shut up. Shut up. So, isn't there any other gossip that happened to me? Yes. I feel like a lot happened. Well, it's not necessarily gossip, but I did notice some promos for the upcoming seasons of Shahza's Sunset and for Beverly Hills and for Atlanta and for Vanderpump Rules. I saw promos-- oh, and there is another piece of gossip, which is pertains to Portia, whatever her face. It's Portia Stewart, implying that maybe Cordell Stewart, her estranged husband, might be gay after all. Did you guys hear about that? Oh, God, yeah, because he changed a lot on her or some shit, like suddenly he's gay. Yeah. Because he was having sex in their bed with another man, suddenly he's gay. I don't get it. Yeah. No kidding. He was choking on a giant 10-inch clock, and suddenly he's gay. I mean, everything makes you gay, apparently, these days. He admits that Washington, over the back of an easy chair, suddenly he's gay. Matt's rolling his eyes. I'm also going to clutch my pearls, which were donated by a super fan of ours, who may have recently moved to Los Angeles and may be stalking us, and I'm okay with that, because I need a stalker. Yeah, imagine a stalker. Well, so much for that line on them. I am. But did you guys-- but did you guys see any of the promos for those shows this week? I did. I'm super excited. I fucking hate New Jersey. I'm a little bored with Miami. The new Nini show has me excited for the return of Atlanta, so I need B.H., Atlanta, and Vanderpump back stat. What we saw in the Beverly Hills promos is that it looks like there is a lot of-- there is that rift between Brandy and Lisa Vanderpump that was rumored to have happened. It looks like that's actually happening. And I think as Kim fall down a staircase, if some sort, is that what I saw? Well, there's something interesting about that that I read, that Brandy and Lisa think. So so far, what we've heard about that fight is that Lisa's calling her a puppet master and being on Yolanda's side in some fight, and they got in a knockdown dragout argument or something. But then Brandy gave some interview to some ladies magazine where she was saying that she's mad because Lisa was hiding how close she really is with that stupid waitress girl with a brown hair, except with Eddie Sibrian. Shina? But-- Yeah, from Tarzana. Where is she from? Azusa. Yeah. No, Azusa. And in fact, I drove by-- last week I drove by a sign that said welcome to Azusa. It was like America's heartland, and I really wanted to take a picture of it except I was driving. Yeah, so her. So apparently, Brandy's mad because Lisa's so close with her, and she's trying to get her a spin-off. OK. First of all, Brandy, you're not the only poor bitch who's going to be saved by Bravo. It's going to happen to a lot of poor sluts around town who just do nothing but get wasted being mean to people and, like, say rude things about people on Twitter. They're going to become famous, too, and make their $200,000 a year or whatever crap salary you're making, too. So stopping, Joe, second of all, your husband cheated with, like, half the world. It's not just that stupid skink. He fucked a lot of people. How about being mad at the person who fucked around on you and not his skinks? That girl is just trying to get ahead. Yeah. And LA is called job hunting. OK? She should not bite the hand that feeds because at the end of the day, nobody is going to go against Lisa Vanderpump. Look, she's done a few messed up things throughout the years. And every time anybody says anything bad about her, Ben screams because he's team Vanderpump. But most people are, and Brandy is dumb as hell if she thinks that she should be going up against her because she will always lose. Listen, Brandy, Bravo, money is going to run out. Least the money. Ain't never running out. Ain't running out. Be careful. And let me tell you something, the stupidest thing you could possibly do is to go up against Shina because that is a pop star waiting to happen. OK? We're looking at the next Brandy Spears. And if you're going to fight her, then you have another thing coming. You are missing out on the Shina gravy train from Azusa. So that's some gel, Janelle Mo, Janelle Hoe, nay, nay, yeah. That girl's going places for sure, you guys. Yeah. She's Brittany Spears of Azusa, she is Brittany Cucumber Spears. She's Christina Agile, nowhere on. She's Christina, she's Christina at, I don't know, I can't even think of one rock. I'm trying to get pop stars. I'm like, she's the next Reed Nana. She's the next lady, blah, blah. Katie, Katie Scary, OK, anyway, going on, should we move on for sure? Yeah. So, would you like perrier or just tap on it? She's not going to be the most famous pop star slash waitress ever. She's going to like mix those two. If she could just mix waiting tables with pop star ism, she'd be really successful. She could be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, special if the night is salmon. She's the next, she's the next Adele computer salesman. OK, no one else is paying attention to the podcast. I'm looking at the guys. They're both looking down at their keyboards. I'm reading Facebook. I'm reading Facebook comments, and they're all being dramatic about something I can't tell. OK, so let's move on to some show talk. We had, for sure, I know that we all watched Housewives this week, right? Yes. Absolutely. OK, so let's discuss some Housewives. Should we start with Miami because it was last night? Yes, sure. OK, so I was excited about this episode because it was an hour of my life where nothing happened. I thought, how can I spend an hour where I watch something and nothing happens whatsoever? And the Miami episode answered that question for me. And I would like to say a formal apology to anyone who's been listening to us, trumpet this show, and decided, OK, you know what, I'm finally going to watch it. And they turned in this week, tuned in this week, I'm so sorry because the show's normally much, much, much better than the turd that we had to watch last night. And it's been a couple of weeks now that I'm getting kind of worried. I mean, nothing is really going on. I mean, sitting there made me so ashamed of myself. I was so ashamed of myself for sitting through this bullshit today that I was almost as ashamed as my mother is that this is what I do with my life. I was almost on that level of being ashamed of me. Well, you know why it sucked so much is because I would say 90% of the episode pertained to Joanna's wedding. They were in LA, and they went to LA, they went to each other's mansions and bought Birkin bags, but it was really about the wedding. And it just comes back to the fact that anything pertaining to weddings on Bravo is a dud. Have you ever seen any episode of Real Housewives that centered around a wedding or wedding planning that has been entertaining? Think back to Real Housewives. What? I mean, we do it on every single franchise. They do it on every one of them. And now they're on this whole string of everybody's like getting their free wedding from Andy on TV. Yeah. Why do they keep doing it if nobody's watching? I mean, nobody watched camera, right? Right. Well, I mean, I think I don't know that maybe the ratings were halfway decent. But, you know, I don't want to jump ahead here. But again, you need to have a massive, massive star who can carry their own spinoff. And I'll tell you right now, the only one that I've seen do that successfully. Maybe Kim's will see act a little bit is Nini Leaks. Right. She is the only person I want to see get married because she is a nut job and she can she can provide comedy for an hour. These other people are not comedy. See, I think where Bravo goes wrong is that they think, okay, well, well, weddings always create lots of stress and lots of drama, plus women love watching weddings. So this is perfect. But the truth is this gay men, I don't think really care that much about weddings. And the drama is really not that great. And if you wanted to watch all this wedding shit, we would turn to we and watch Bright Zillaz. We don't have to watch this over and over and over again. It is boring. It's killing me. I don't care if Joanna wants Lisa to be her bridesmaid or not or Adriana wants it like, no one gives a shit. I don't care what her dress looks like. No one cares what her dress looks like. No one cares about like the dress, you know, I was testing, the trying on of the dresses. Yeah, she's like, oh, this has to be a mini skirt in the front because why not be myself if it's my wedding, you know, Romaine says I should be like, so you're a whore like you're going into this like I'm a, I'm kind of a slut. So that's what I'm going to be at my wedding. No, you're waiting you change you're going from being like a slut who lives off her looks to being like, yeah, I don't know the only person we want to see trying on dresses is Chanel from Princesses of Long Island. Yes, because she stops about someone else having better fortune than her. Now that's entertainment. Yeah, that's good. That's good. We like that. Yeah, I think it's just all dull. And this whole thing about, you know, where where Adriana tells Lisa, she can't be in a brides, can't be a bridesmaid if she's going to be in Joanna's wedding in Joanna saying she's not be allowed to be her maid of honor or if she's in Adriana's wedding. Like it feels manufactured and no one cares, you know, I don't care if Lisa, what her ultimate choice will be. I don't care if she's a bride made to anyone. I don't care if she sits in a puddle during the entire wedding. Like I just do not care. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that whole trip to LA, they seem like they barely knew each other. They had nothing to talk about. I mean, I cringed at the sections where they had to actually sit and have conversations with each other because I was like, these ladies have nothing to talk about unless it's what a bitch Adriana is, you know, and that's the same thing goes for the other ladies. Frankly, the only thing I found at all interesting in this episode was all the Alexia stuff because her son is such a fuck up and she was married to some drug kingpin. I mean, that sounds like a TV show to me. Just follow her around and have the husband come back into the picture. That'll watch. I was like the only good part of the episode. It was like a 10 minute or five minute interlude where there was a there was some photo shoot and Alexia's stone or son like kicked a cab and the cab he was like, I'm going to call the police and he's like, Oh man, he's like, he was getting in the way. I wanted to kick it. He was like, he was, he was flipping me the bird. I had to kick him and he kick it. Okay. It's like the worst. You're going to make fun of him and he deserves to be made fun of for the horrible things that he's done in last night's episode and also when he, you know, filmed himself punching a homeless dude in the nuts. But I will say this. I feel bad for Alexia having an ex husband who has gone to jail and who has clearly done a lot of fucked up stuff, probably stuff that we'll never know how fucked up it truly is. She has kids by this dude and I wouldn't know what to do in her position either. Like, yes, she should probably focus on her kids more and less on reality TV. However, she is stuck between a rock and a hard place and I wouldn't know what to do either. Yeah. No, she is. And I do like that she's supportive of her kids and like trying to like doing what she can to like help them. Although on the other hand, you could also look at that as she's spoiling them. She's not doing shit to help him. All she's doing is giving him money and giving him, giving him all the opportunity in the world to keep fucking up. That kid doesn't have a job. He doesn't do anything except lay around in his fucking underwear growing granny ass split ends. Okay. Okay. Well, what would you suggest? He's not going to get a job. Get a fucking job. I'm not a criminal. You know why? Because my ass was working at a bowling alley when I was 13 years old. That's why I'd probably be out there doing drug selling, drive me a drug kingpin right now. But more for Skyline's bowling alley in El Paso, Texas, been saved in my life. Listen, I think the ship has sailed for this kid and his potential in life. I think at this point, the main goal is to make sure he does not get on to any more drugs. Like just keep them with the weed. You are cynical, cynical, horrible people. There are plenty of people in this universe that are addicted to drugs and alcohol and being assholes that turn their lives around. Why can't this kid? No, it's not. It's not about that. He's addicted to drugs. It's that he's just spoiled and he's just I just can't imagine doing anything with this drug. The crux of the problem is that he thinks that his father is hot shit when the father is clearly a snake and until he grows up enough and realizes that his father probably did a lot of terrible things to a lot of innocent people. He's not going to get it. He's going to think his dad is a pimp. That's what he calls his dad and he wants to be version 2.0. I love when Alexia had the epiphany. She's like, I never realized that, you know, when I keep on saying that like his father is a piece of shit and then I say, you're just like your father, I didn't realize I was calling my own son a piece of shit. Oh, I never realized that would be so hurtful. You really hurt your children that way. I was like, yeah, congratulations. Whatever, being called a piece of shit is part of growing up. I mean, how else are parents supposed to tell you you're doing wrong? They hate you with a wooden spoon, they call you a piece of shit and you try and get better so that you can impress them and they won't leave you? Well, what I like is watching the grandmother analyze them and you have like three generations and you just sort of see the declining returns, you know. The first is like the grandmother who is smart, she's educated. I actually feel like she's classy. She seems like she's from a certain position. Whoa, whoa, classy. Why? Because she wears a statement necklace from Chico's. Yeah, actually in this in this world, yeah, on this show, if you're not wearing a shirt that's like here and has your 80 year old grandma tits hanging down to the floor, like with only your Ariel is covered, you're classy, it doesn't take much. She wears, she wears like a little lady blazer, that's about 10 times more classy than anyone else on this show. Okay. And then you have Alexia, who was a pretty girl who married a drug kingpin. So you're already thinking, whoops, there was a misstep, and then you get to Peter who's punching homeless guys in the nuts and videotaping it. It's just like, you know, it's, this is why, you know, this is when they say that psychologists and psychiatrists always have fuck up families, the proof is right here. This family lineage, that's the proof. Yeah. Well, basically the kid was cut off from his dad. He needed somebody to identify with and now he has somebody to identify with, he's just a criminal. So have fun with that. Yeah, I agree. It'll be interesting to see if they can get to the root of it. It's going to be a while before Peter gets to the root of it. More importantly, didn't you think he was kind of hot? Not, he used to be hotter. His hair looks great, actually. I think his hair looks great. I love a man with some nice hair. It reminds me of tailored kitsch from Friday Night Lights and I like that. Yeah. I'm not even big into long hair, but his hair, long hair is good, but he's really let himself go. You know, I mean, he still looks good, but compared to what he used to look like, it's a shame. He really could have had it all. He's like a way to reconcile. Yeah, he could have. And if you don't look, if you're, if you're already looking tired when you're 20, it is downhill. That is your best year, like 20 to 22. Like if you're not looking twinkish at that time, you're in trouble. I mean, that guy's like the next al Bundy. He's going to be like the Cuban al Bundy. Listen, two years ago on this show, he was graduating from high school. He had a modeling career ahead of him. The world was his oyster. And now it's 2013 and he's kicking taxis on the street. So this is his life and it's terrible. Yeah. And I love, and also, you know what's, what the best thing is, is that this kid is like, he's so like aggro and he's such a criminal, like he's so pimped. Kicking a fucking taxi is not like a big pimp thing to do. Like you want to be a tough guy, beat that fat fuck with the baseball bat and leave him on the floor all bloody with his skull, like leaking out his brains. I mean, that'd be, that's how to be a bad ass. What kind of criminal is going to want to hang out with you? I mean, right. Don't kick the cab. Kill him. That's the guess. It is. If Pete, if Peter were in like a real like drug movie, you know, he'd be the one who's like the low level henchman who who messes something up and then he's the first to get whacked. He's the one that ever he is the one who's like sitting in a chair and ever James almost comes over and like gives him some sort of like lecture and he tells, he tells like an elaborate story. It's like he's like, you haven't hear the story of the cow and the hour and like the whole story. And Peter's like, huh? And at the end he's like, and in the end, the hour he does the cow and then Peter suddenly realizes what's happening. He's like, no, no, no, please, please I'll do anything like I fixed it. I can fix it. He won't, he doesn't even know what's me all else. I swear I'll never tell anyone. And then he gets killed. That's what happened. Peter. Right. And in the corner, you just see Frankie cowering, but within like the camera turns to him and Frankie has like a creepy little smile. No, I think. Frankie would just be like, yeah, it's like the most positive get going. No, no. What happens is that Edward James almost takes Frankie under his wing. He's like, you'll come with me now. And then you see that Frankie is going to be let in and you're like, no, Frankie. And then it cuts to Alexia getting the news and then crumpling on to her bed full of like white fur coats and she's just crying and mascara is running down her face and she's like a top like a dead fox like stole. Yes, it's like and then the very at the very end of the movie, she sees Frankie and she's like, Frankie, you've your your bus to college is waiting for you, Frankie, are you going to take it? And then someone walks into the room and he's like, sorry, mom, I have to I have to have this conversation. And then the door closes very slowly on her face and we go to the end credits. No, you know, even better. If Frankie revealed that he really didn't suffer any brain damage and it was very much like the usual suspects. Oh, yeah. His limp goes away. His limp goes away as he walks away from his mother and leaves her in a puddle of tears. And then it turns out it's Peter all along who's had the brain damage and all makes so much more sense. Oh, my God. Why aren't we writing this? The Real Housewives of Miami, but a fictionalized version that's on the big screen. Oh, my God, Alexia Vero's story or whatever. Oh, that's a good that's a good that should be next season for sure. So basically nothing happened in this episode as evidenced by the fact that we just have to go into some Real Housewives of Miami fan fiction. Yeah, if that says a lot, actually, but I do want to talk about Joanna. I mean, I didn't know that this chick had as much money as she did and that she has five houses. What's that? Five houses. That's a lot. That's a lot for a mid range swimsuit model. I mean, to be clear, a shacken Encino is probably not that much. That's true. I did like Leah's very diplomatic way of basically saying that was not. Well, she's not in the same hell as man. I'm not even sure of the hills. How about that? You guys that don't live in Los Angeles that are listening and are watching to us right now. What that means is Joanna is Valley trash and Leah is with the rich people in the Hollywood Hills. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, oh my God. It's like Leah, that's the only person who still mice, do you want this show? Stop dissing her when the camera turns away. It's like, well, you know, I mean, she was just a little poor little kid from Poland. And now that she made it, like I know you think you're being sweet, but you're not. I'm like it. It's about five. It grows up to be like, I don't know if I want to watch that movie anymore. I was from Russia, to be fair, to be fair. Yeah. So that was Miami. It looks like it's going to be more fun next week because they are going to like get in a fight at that or it's like a little argument that dinner in LA. I don't know about Jo Francis or something. I don't know. I just saw the coming the coming previews. Oh, wait. I'm going to talk. Yeah. Yeah. That they talked about that. Were they a koi or were they? A koi. So they're a koi, the hottest restaurant of 2003. I know, right? Coising. I thought Lee was being a dick on this episode. I'm just going to say it. I didn't actually think so. I'm trying to think. Yeah. Let me tell you why. When they were at koi, the way she was talking to Lisa was unnecessary, like Lisa was trying to make a point about the fact that she can be friends with different people and she can be bridesmaids in two weddings. And that should be fine and Joanna should fully accept that. And even Joanna's mother agreed with her. Then when Lisa was trying to bring up an example of certain groups like certain people. You're anger. She paused the podcast. I hope you're proud of yourself, Matthew. Well, just because I'm on the phone again. I'm here. Yeah. Why am I always alone? We're here. We're here. We're here. We're here. Ronnie, we're here. We're here. Okay. Good. Sorry. Sorry, Matt. Every start, ranting. No. That's why. Okay, go again. Lisa was starting to use an example of, you know, certain people like the Joe Francis camp. Certain people don't like the Joe Francis camp. And then out of nowhere, Leah gets, you know, a bug up her ass and is like, we can't even talk about that because he's not here to defend himself. And she went like off and then she was rude to Lisa. And I don't know. I don't understand. I don't understand the point of that. So what was the Joe Francis thing now? She was saying, I don't know. Lisa was just trying to explain that certain people are friends with him. Certain people don't understand him. And that's fine. And you're allowed to have different groups of friends. And Leah just kind of like took it on another rampage and was, you know, starting to be rude to Lisa. And crazy thing is by the end of the episode, I was like, the only one I like is Lisa. What is wrong with me? I don't know. I mean, I think that was interesting. I mean, Leah definitely bit off Lisa's head. That's for sure. I think that it probably was not the most, like she probably didn't need to come on that strong. But at the same time, she also probably saw that by just merely uttering Joe Francis, Joanna is such an idiot that was going to cause a scene at that stupid table. So she's like, don't bring this up. Like I'm not going to do this right now. And it's actually the way Leah responded is the way that actually every single one of these housewives should respond to when other people talk about their friends. But of course they don't. That being said, I mean, yeah, it was aggressive. Listen, Lisa, Lisa, I don't know what Lisa's done. But that's no typical Lisa. Like, she can't just argue instead of just making an argument, she's always starting shit. You know, it's like, well, like when she's at one fitting, she's like, well, I have to take this call, this secret call from Joanna, hope it doesn't make any drama. Why is there so much drama? You know, she's always trying to act like she's the one fixing everything. But then she's stirring the shit wherever she goes. Like even bringing up Jo Francis in front of Joanna is meant to cause shit, you know? Yeah. I don't know. Let's see. What do you want to do this? Adriana met with a wedding planner, correct. And she was like, all right, this wedding has to be up to my standards. I want everyone to be dressed formal and then be in 20s gear, which by the way, she's like, I am an old. I were invited to a wedding where I knew I had to change into 20s outfit for the reception. I would be like, see you later. Yeah. That's an RSVP. No, bitch. That's a, that's either I'm sipping the ceremony or I'm sipping the reception, but I am not having a costume change. Sorry. Let's go to Facebook for some comments because Matt needs these right now. A person says, I agree with Matt that Lee was being a bitch. Derek says we all felt that way Matt. Okay. Where are my peeps at? Thank you, peeps. Paula. Paula says go Matt. Rant away. So they're Matt there. Okay. Are you happy, Matt? There. You've got some support because I heard that sigh over there. I heard that evil sigh. Did you just make those up, Ronnie, just a massage, my ego because if you did, I'm totally okay with that. Katie King says, Matt, you've looked, you've never looked thinner and more handsome. Derek says, Matt, I hear you've got the giantest wiener in town. This is really good. These are really good. Who's saying that? If someone says, maybe I should gain a bunch of weight and get a shitty apartment to talk crap about people. Are you talking about me, bitch? Cause I'll take you back. Who said that? Who said that? It doesn't matter. So anyway, so far, there we are. So are you guys ready to move on to New Jerseyers? And I'm an icon. And I'm an icon to a motherfucker. So fuck off. That's what I said. I'm the fat one. So I'm guessing that I'm the fat one with the shitty apartment. You know what? If you could help me by sending me some money so that I could eat, look, I have a butternut squash on my counter, okay? You can see it right there. I'm trying. Okay, I'm trying. We could hawk my pearls at a pawn shop. You know what we should do? Don't look at this Clares price tag, anybody. There's Clares right there. Clares. Listen, if you have any hate for us, use it in a constructive way. Why don't you go to GoDaddy.com and sign up for your own domain. For $2 by using the promo code Crapins and then create all sorts of websites like-- The TV, but it sucks. Yeah, Ronnie Caram is a fat bitch with the horrible, you know, with no money in a shitty kitchen. That's a long one, but yeah, that would be a website I could see you getting traffic at. Yeah. Do that, people. And you can really-- let me tell you something. Before this podcast, I went to the car wash. And there was a Tuesday special. And you know what they told me? They said Tuesday special, you get $2 off. And with that $2, you know what I can do? I can buy a whole.com domain, isn't that crazy? I could buy a whole.com domain with the promo code Crapins just from the money I saved on the Tuesday special at the car wash. Yeah, you guys. Go to Daddy.com. Get your own domain name for just $2. Thanks. By the way, you know who's at the car wash? Here's your name drop. And you guys know I will like this one. Wait, I want a guess. I want a guess. Give me a-- Guess who's at the car wash today? Hey, Diggs. Very close, actually. Oh, Omar Epps. No. Um, Queen Latifah. You guys are really-- you guys are going to write in on it, but no. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Wait, wait, wait. Don't tell us. Don't tell us. Gabrielle Union. No farther away now. Oh, it's a dude. Or it's a lesbian. Or it's a dude-- It's a guy. It's a guy. It's a guy. Mario van peoples. Nope. Farther away now. Tina Turner. No. She's a guy. She's not Tina Turner at the car wash. I'm very excited. You guys are in there. She's in Switzerland now, I think. Oh, I got what? Mortis Chestnut. No. Hotness. Hotness. The no. Idris Elba. No. Hotness Elba. No carter. No. No carter. No. The carter is ghost with her roast car. She ain't misbehaving at the car wash. Precious. Precious of bicephiree. No. No. Who? Just tell me who. This is boring. He stars on a TV show that I believe it's having at Season 4 Mirror tonight. Oh. Man. You can guess. I gave you some good TV information there. I don't care. Just tell me. Look. It's my carter's ghost. It was good. Give me a break. You better tell me. Tell me who you saw at the car wash. I saw LL Cool J. Was he wearing a kangal hat and pretending to rap? Or was he just cashing his checks because he's on that piece of shit show in CIS Los Angeles? He was wearing a baseball cap. He rode up in his Maybach and I'm telling you something, those dimples. Those are the cutest dimples I ever seen. What's he doing? What's he doing? You know what, Mama? You know what Mama said? Mama said shut the fuck up. For those of you who think that seeing LL Cool J is really cool, like his name, go to our Facebook page, Facebook.com/ - go to go daddy.com and buy a domain name that says LL Cool J at the car wash is cool, okay? That's good. So I think this is the perfect time to go on to New Jersey if we still have people listening to us. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh my god. This is what always, every single time. This is why the podcast is an hour and a half. It's like, okay, well it's time to move on. That's like, wait a second. Did you see the ashtray in the house? I wanted to talk about Joanna having like slave labor in her house taking care of gross creepy little kittens. Yeah, those were gross kittens. I love cats, but those were gross kittens. Those were nasty kittens. I think that if kittens are abandoned that young, you should just throw them in the trash and let them die. Oh, man. That's kidding. Well, look, okay, I shouldn't say that, but look, this is what I feel about rescuing and I'm thinking this because there's a lady I walk past every day when I take Bueller on this little walk. She's got this evil fucking dog who wants to kill us both and they just sit on the top of the stairs and they look at us. And one day I was walking towards her and she like tried to cross the street, but a car was coming. So I stopped and I was like, I said, it's okay. He's friendly. And she goes, mine's not. He has had a really rough life. And I was thinking, aren't there like cute fluffy dogs to adopt? Why does everybody have to adopt the psycho dogs who want to kill everybody? Like, that dog would eat a baby's face top. I'm sure that there was a cute little cock-a-poo or something that needed to be adopted and he probably let him get killed because he wasn't damaged enough for you. You know, you actually make a good point and never thought about that before. But yeah, because there are a lot of like really dangerous animals out there, not, I mean, unfortunately, it's not of their own doing, but- But like, why would you adopt a three-legged dog instead of like a cute dog? Like, does it make you a better person to adopt a three-legged dog? Yes, it does. Because you just kill the cute dog. Yeah, but you just kill the dog by not adopting it. Yeah, they get killed when they're not adopted. Cute ones don't get killed ever. They do. They do. Always get killed. They do because people don't feel cool enough adopting a cute kid. I mean, a cute pet. Now, with kids, they're not going to just go out and adopt a one-legged kid on purpose. You know, then they're going to try and get some white little cute little baby and screw all the other ones. I think we need to switch our priorities, people, all right? You need to give ugly kids a better chance of being adopted and just kill the ugly dogs. 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I think I'd be sitting here on the fucking internet if I was right. Nice Mel Carter callback. Right? Give me a break. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. You see circle, circle of life. Okay, Jersey. Okay. So you guys, the craziest thing happened this week on Jersey. Yeah. Melissa thinks that Teresa is starting stuff and she's going to confront her. Oh my God. Oh my God. You guys. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh, wow. You've been dealing with this for three seasons and I am ready for Danielle Stobb to put on Leatherface's skin mask, walk into the set, murder everybody and demand her own spinoff. I agree. You know what I would love? Danielle Stobb was given a second chance and she blew it on. Watch what happens. Boo, Danielle Stobb couldn't even pull off one half hour or it was all about you. She was bad. She was really bad on that. Here's what I would like to see happen. I'd like to see Melissa Borger read one of these tweets from Johnny, the Greek or that's so the Italian and say, oh, okay, you know what, I don't care. How about that? That's a real good way to defuse it. But if someone, someone said, hey, Melissa Borger, I heard you had a hang nail on. She's like, I can't believe someone told her about the hang nail. I want to get to the bottom of it and then she fuels all this ridiculousness. Just chill out bitch. Or how about this? Why don't you just get off Twitter? No one cares. We have to say anyway. So stop reading what people say and you will have a happier life. Yeah. But follow Ben at the side blog. Oh, yeah. And Matt at Life on the M List and Ronnie at Trash Free TV. Melissa. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. I was what they showed all of them, whatever you call it, a marathon of them this week. And I was sitting down watching them because I had to get a new DVR so I had nothing recorded. So I was watching them again and I was like, really, Melissa, just a few weeks ago, which seems like 10 years ago, but just a few weeks ago, this was all about how Melissa's cheating on her husband. And that was going around on Twitter and Teresa heard this because she was sitting at dinner with Jan, the bridesmaid. And the bridesmaid was telling everybody that Melissa's fucking her ex boyfriend. And then Teresa didn't say anything, but Teresa was still in trouble because these girls were talking shit about her. And I'm like, come on. Like you are really grasping. And whatever happened to that, is she fucking that guy? Because he was threatening to tell people on Twitter about it and put pictures or something. I don't know. She listened. She has a reputation to protect because she's about to become a huge pop star, huge appearance. She had a concert in a conference room in a corporate building in Orlando and if it does not get bigger than that. Okay. She is... Let me tell you guys something. The next Sheena. If you think that Jersey is trash, Florida, if we're not talking about Miami, is super trash. Yeah. There should be the real housewives of Orlando. What good ever came out of Orlando, honestly? Disney World. Disney World. Sea World. That is some fake trash. The real one is in Anaheim. Well, there's not... Oh, yeah. The real Disney World. Yeah. But it's Disneyland. Yeah. But at Disney World, they have these things that you can motorize yourself so you don't have to walk. And they're for when you're like over 400 pounds. And I think that that's really a big step in the right direction in Orlando. Listen. Bring out the 500 pounders and wheel them around. That's applaud Walt Disney for making his theme parks into the trashiest parts of the country. Orlando and Orange County. Excuse me. He did not make them into trash. The Disney corporation turned them into trash. He was a visionary who died way too soon. And everybody that wanted money fucked everything up. And he never wanted any shit to happen in Orlando, but those greedy bitches did. So learn your Disney history. Alrighty. So anyway, back to New Jersey's theme of trash things. Oh, I'm surprised. Oh wait, there is Action Park in New Jersey and Six Flags Great Adventure. Those are two. Action Park closed. Oh, did it? Well, okay. That was inevitable. Anyway, so back to New Jersey. So the big thing is that so Melissa is still concerned about rumors. She went down to Orlando where she sang off key for the singing instructor and then did a little performance on an Orlando radio station. And this big-time manager who's getting paid by Bravo had to sit and pretend like she was going to have a career. And as Teresa said, I don't know many 37-year-olds become pop stars, but hey, this is the first time for everything. One of the two times where Teresa is right on the line. Team Teresa, Team Teresa on that one. I'm sorry, but every time Melissa thinks that she's going to be a pop star, then she starts whining about her children and her husband and her family and her duties. And then we see her and then she can't fucking sing. And then she stands up and she always does these dance moves that prove that she was a stripper. And then she wants to pretend that she's not a stripper. Here's the thing with Melissa. Her voice is not the best, but it's no worse than Britney Spears, okay? But that being said, she does not have the confidence that she needs. Every time she's like singing and she's like, "Well, do you blame her? I mean, look at her husband." He's like, "So, you know, she's not so much of a good singer, but I don't care. She's my angel. I'll support her through whatever." And then the guys, when they have that listening party, everybody's laughing at her. Just basically, laughing at how terrible she is. You know, even Kathy's like, "She's a nice girl, but no." Kathy's so nice, you know. But the point is this though, she doesn't, she does not like have any confidence. And that's why she will truly never become a pop star. So having the fact that her voice is not great and she's way too old, and there's no reason for her to be a pop star, at the very least she should be commanding and she's not. Yeah. Also, you know, I think that in general to be a pop star, people have to want to fuck you. Like no one wants to, no one wants like, I mean, I know there are such things as married pop stars and stuff, and I'm not saying people, you're just, you should just die once you're married. But it does kind of change it, doesn't it? Like, I don't want to listen to you sing songs about your fucking husband. I mean, are you suggesting that women who get married and have children are less desirable, Ronnie? Is that what you're, are you willing to put that out to there to all of our female listeners right now? I'm saying they become less fuckable to their husbands over time, and they become less fuckable to the American public in less time. Yeah. Right. Listen, I think that Melissa's looking great these days. I think her hair looks good. Her body looks good. Oh, that goes for the men too, not just the women. Sorry. But this is Anna Rexik. It is not a cute book. She's not Anna Rexik. But here's the thing though, she, she has established herself too much as this like wifey type. And it's hard to imagine her being a pop star, like take her seriously as a pop star. She should be singing stupid ballads. She should be singing stuff for a built contemporary radio. She should be doing boobly kind of bullshit and stuff. Excuse me. Excuse me. Hi. My background is in music. I majored in in college. I have worked for Clear Channel twice. I've worked for Napster. This bitch cannot sing and should not sing. She is terrible. I would rather hear the Countess Luan any day of the week. I didn't know that you were into music. Maybe I never loved you. Quite soft. All right. Get me out of here. Get me out of here. Get me out of here. Get me out of here. Get me out of the city apartment, Matt. Notice I was not hitting my button to spin around on the boys. Yeah. Sorry. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be Kristina Aguilera and just wave my fan. Um, so anyway, let's see what else happened. So little big, I mean, the little, little town New Jersey. Were you about to call their restaurant by a country band's name? Yeah. I think I did that. That's like the second time I've done that. Little town New Jersey opened up, where there were sliders everywhere I could see. I'm surprised that MJ did not come barreling down the door to a band or something. What the hell is this dish that they were serving that apparently is like a thing? It's some meat on a, like a little meat thing. Yeah, you know it was, it was like a piece of meat on a piece of bread with some sort of butter and they're like, oh, it's not quite the brownstones, like, I did not. When your, when your signature dish is a slab of meat with some butter on a trisket, you should just go kill yourself and shut the restaurant right now. I know. I'm surprised. I'm surprised there weren't, wasn't a little piece of egg salad on a, on a tiny crostini in honor of Lauren Manzo. They don't know what a crostini is. They're trash. I know. They're like, let's put some egg salad on a cheese it. We'll call her the Lauren. I got super excited about this episode when I read the description of it because it said the Caroline sons opened their restaurant, but they faced stinging, like a stinging critique from a, you know, from a critic or something. And I was like, oh my God, someone's going to rip them apart. And this was where the Yelp two stars come, come in and who I thought you were missing. Did I miss that part? Well, I'm sure Kat Odell was there reviewing it, but because she doesn't have a real job and she doesn't do anything, nothing, there was no reason to put her on camera because she sucks. How dare you? She's like, how Odell has started so many careers. She has given every famous chef their start. Okay. She's like, I think that Christopher Manzo and I have a thing. We sort of look to each other. He's like sort of into me right now and I know, I don't say every step that I mean. I just stuck his sausage in me. It doesn't mean anything. We were in a kitchen and that's totally normal as you were. By the way, I think we can officially say that Lauren Manzo is no longer the heaviest Manzo child. Poor Christopher is so much cuter fat. This fat? He's, but he's, he before was that like, oh, he's gained some weight and he's, he's getting a little heavy. He is actually now really certain people though should not be skinny. I mean, Perez Hilton is one example. Like have you seen his now photos? Perez Hilton looks like an Al Hirschfeld drawing in real life. Okay. I don't. Okay. For those of us that are looking for the podcast and or involved in this podcast, what the hell does that even mean? That's a he Al Hirschfeld drew all those Broadway stars. So if you go to any restaurant in New York and you see all those cartoon drawings, more than that, he was like the in house, like a illustrator for the New York Times for like 60 years. There are times. Anyone with any sort of knowledge about anything, Matthew. Yeah, Matthew. That's something to gain knowledge. That's just like knowledge. Yeah, that's knowledge. That's like regular people knowledge. That's like we just dropped some Al Hirschfeld knowledge on you. That's like, for those of you who think that all we do is talk about trash, here's a upmarket illusion for you. Some high art for you, peeps. Some high art. Anyway, the point is this, Christopher is getting, getting way and I don't want to be so caddy as to just point out someone's physical appearances, but when you're on TV, sometimes all bets are off and I just want him to start maybe visiting a treadmill just a little bit for his own health. I don't. I think he looks better fat. I like when people just commit. Like I don't like the middle road, you know, like when you're just like fatter thin, don't be in the middle because then you just look like you're depressed. So then anyway, let's see, nothing happened in Kathy's life this week as usual. That is not true. Joseph got a gay white Jeep Wrangler with balloons on top. Oh, yeah. Who cares? So Teresa had lunch with Victoria, Gotti, yeah, because they both showed up looking like they're on a stakeout, okay. By the way, that is the real spinoff that they need to have. Like Tamara's OC wedding. I want to see Victoria Gotti and Teresa Judiche wearing purple felt fedoras going undercover, solving silly crimes that boutiques all across the Jersey. Yeah. V and T's detective agency. They looked so much like I expected that McRough the crime dog was going to sit down next to them. I mean, they're just like the case of stolen purple bull. I mean, they actually, they should do a new version of where in the world is Carmen San Diego. I was just going to say, we're in the world as Carmen Lucia, Maria Teresa San Diego, where which dumpster in the world is Johnny two eyes Fitzyono. I love that conversation though, and she's like, so, you know, good to see you, Teresa. So I read that your husband's going to jail and everyone's feeding on you and how do you feel and Teresa's like, don't want to talk about it. Yeah. Thanks. Well, this was a great scene. Thanks. Glad you both showed up for your free lunch. Okay. I just got to put this out there. It's never going to happen in a million years, but I was obsessed with growing up Gotti on A and E and I would kill if Bravo was actually able to get Victoria to be part of this show next season. I feel like this show is on its last legs. We need an injection of a new star and that is Victoria Gotti. I think Victoria Gotti would actually be a great addition. Wonder what, what are our kids up to these days? I don't know. I don't know. They're avoiding the police. I'm sorry. Yeah. No, I think Victoria Gotti should totally be a cast member and she would do it. It's more high profile than her show was exactly. So we finally got to go to Posh. So it does turn out that Posh does have a salon and so this is where this big fight's going to talk. Okay. Posh to Electric Boogaloo. So for those of you who don't watch his phone, just listen for fun. So there's going to be this big showdown at Posh where everybody's going to confront Penny, the bitch who along with her husband has been spreading nasty tweets about everyone all sees harm causing all this trauma. So they're going to, they're going to attack Penny at this thing and everyone's got something to say to her and earlier in the day, what's her buttons? Jackie is saying, oh, well Penny has just tweeted that Penny's husband has just tweeted that we're pretending that my son has alcoholism, sorry, autism, and he doesn't really. And they're like, who would do that? Who would say something like that? But then when we get to the party, she doesn't, she never says anything about a tweet. She just says, I heard that your husband has been going around saying this, never brings up a tweet and Bravo never showed us a tweet. And there is no tweet on this timeline saying that. So what do you think's going on there? I'm wondering, is this the penny from Inspector Gadget, that's all I got. No, no, this penny, for those of you, for those of you who don't know who this penny is, she is the one on the screen. She's the one on the screen who looks like Gordon Ramsay in the long blonde wig. That is not a wig. I think it's like they say she looks like Ellen Barkin, which I think is pretty good. It's just, I like Ellen Barkin and Penny's just got that straw weave, oh, and you saw her come in and you see that line of her weave. It was so sad. Well, and the discolor, like the color separation, yeah, not good. You know, I took some, there were so many funny images at this Posh 2 party that I actually took screen grabs, and I'm wondering how I can show them here on this video podcast. Let's see. What do I do? I do a press screen share. How do I do this, Ronnie? Yeah, press screen share and then it's going to bring up options for which window you want to share and then just click the picture. This has disaster written all over. No, no, no, no. This is going to be good. Okay, ready? Here's the first one. You start screen share with this picture, all right. This picture, I like this because do you guys see the, we have the very professional banner that's sponsored by Moxie. Yeah, this banner, I like it says welcome, apostrophe s, Kim V. That to me is, that's great. Perfect. Okay, now here we go. I'm going to do a different window now. Sorry, everyone, this is very slow, but it's because Google's the worst slash is really my fault. Okay, we're going to do this one now. This is Joe Judas walking, it killed me, it killed me. By the way, if you are only listening to this podcast and not watching it on YouTube, you are missing out on these wonderful visuals, tell them where they can subscribe, Ronnie. You can, to the videos? To the videos. Yeah, you can find us on YouTube at youtube.com/trashtosh, I mean, slash the TV click. And we're every Tuesday, five at four thirty Pacific time. Yeah, Joe is wearing a pink shirt with a leopard collar that's outside of his jacket. Oh my gosh. All right, here we go. Here's another one. That I took. Stop. Yes, Joe getting his eyebrows done and we never got to see an after on that. I know, but this is, this is, what am I a fag now would, what am I fag now? This is, um, I got to do this shit every day of my life. Are you kidding me? It's not like Mama Elsa, by the way, I'd like to add. So we finally got to God, that's a disturbing picture. Do you have another one? Is there more? Oh, I've got plenty more. How about, this is, uh, Joe Corga walking through the line. I feel like I'm at one of those like, um, you know, when somebody comes back from a vacation that you don't give a fuck about and they've been like on a cruise ship for two weeks and they force you to sit in their living room while they click through all of their slides and the entire time you're like, my vodka is empty and if I had a razor blade, I would jab it in my jugular. That's what they're like, look guys, this is going through the iPhone. I would like to point out this dress that Melissa is wearing is the Shamu dress that Kim Kardashian was wearing. She was when she was pregnant and everybody was calling her Shamu. And I'd like to point out that Joe Corga's outfit is the same outfit that Johnny Depp wore and Paris the Caribbean. And his, his cap is the same cap that Penis is wearing. This dude must be so excited that they film this season during the winter so that he can kind of wear that beret, beanie, whatever is happening. If they were filming this in the middle of, Ben, you know how hot and humid it is in July and New Jersey? My God. Yeah. Okay. Here's an image that I thought was hilarious just because there's this crazy woman in the background and she looks almost like, this is almost like a big business moment with Caroline and this woman. They're like, wait, is that, that's not you? Are you me? Caroline is wearing a hairdresser's smock. And the woman in the background is wearing a ginormous cross from TJ Maxx that is hanging in Tamara's kitchen. She's sort of like Reba McIntyre meets Linda Tripp in the background there. Meets meets, uh, Suzy Kurtz from rules of, uh, rules of attraction. There are just not enough Linda Tripp jokes. Hey, that's what we have on pictures because I worry about people who are listening. Okay. If you, you know more pictures you say, huh, wait, one more, one more. Come on. Okay. One more. One more. I only have two more left. We'll do them really quickly. Ronnie, as if this could be worse than us podcasting in a fucking mall food court. Okay. That's right. We should do that again. That was really fun. Okay. There's Kathy with big old big eyes, which is always fun to look at, right? Yeah. And then last but not least, I love these two women's behind Jacqueline here in this image shock. This is to me, quintessential Jersey, big hair, tragic faces, gaps, I mean, tragic, and look at that weave on that lawn one. Oh my God. Posh two, this is, this is what we have in posh two. Okay. I will end the screen share. That was what I wanted to share with all of you. Yeah. Good trip to Hawaii. Great trip. So it basically ended at posh where everybody starts to criticize Penny and she's blaming Teresa for everything and taking no responsibility for anything. But right now, for the moment, it looks like everybody is on Teresa's side and thinks that Penny's just crazy. Am I right? Yeah. Everyone thinks Penny's crazy, even though we know just from Twitter that it all goes off the rails and everyone hates Teresa again. So I'm excited to see how that happens, but we'll have to wait until I see some finale next week. Yeah. I have a feeling it go the way everyone starts hate Teresa again is that Andy Cohen pits them against Teresa for the, in the reunion once again and then I'll always make a reopening. Well, it makes for good reunions because if Teresa were calm and collected, what the hell would be the point of the show? Yeah, it was. Jersey's reunions have never fucked around. They are always good reunions. So that'll be fine. And also, Andy is having Teresa and Juicy Jo on next week after the finale, I'll watch what happens. Especially. Supposedly grill them about their arrest, which you know they're not going to talk about. Yeah. Well, what I liked about this Penny confrontation just to get back to that is that when Jacqueline first approached her that Penny was like, what? I love autistic, autistic children. I love them. I teach autism. Let me tell you the truth. And I love that they say they her and Kim D both do this or she and Kim D both do this. Her and Kim D. She and Kim D. She she when they say, let me tell you the truth right now. They always start with that. Let me let me be honest with you. Let me tell you the truth. I love autistic children. I taught autism. I taught autism. I taught people how to actually become autistic. What I love, I love autistic guitar music. That's acoustic. I love acoustic too. I love acoustic children. I teach acoustics. So funny. So yeah, that was definitely the best penny quote and it made me just want to see more and more of Penny. Because what the hell else is going on? I cannot care anymore about Melissa and her bullshit. I'm just happy that we're seeing this big brawl at Posh 2 because there were speculation there were rumors on the internet that it was either going to be edited in such a way that Penny and Johnny the Greek or Jimmy the Greek or whatever his name is. We're not going to be in it and there are rumors that it wasn't the brawl wasn't even going to air, Allah, the Dominican Republic brawl, but lo and behold, we are getting the brawl. It looks like they'll be fighting. They'll be synced thrown and Caroline is going to be yelling as if someone took away all of Lauren's like salad. I am very excited about this. Something really fun posted on our Facebook page in the post by other section. I think Katie posted it. Sorry. I forget who posted it, but somebody posted this blog that supposedly Penny is writing and she has to change everybody's names due to law reasons. She doesn't want to get sued and I tried to make it through it, but I mean she's as dumb as the rest of those beach's. I cannot get through it, but basically they're saying that Bravo has re-edited everything to make them look horrible just like they always say. So it'll be interesting to see what happens as the season goes on. I mean, there's only four more weeks, right? Because next week it's over and then three. Three. Do you guys do you think that Penny is a crazy bitch or do you think that Teresa put her up to say things? I think that Teresa said stuff in front of her. I don't see Teresa being like, would you tweet this? Although I don't know that I would put that faster either. I think more than any of the other franchises, I feel like the hanger honors and the people that are waiting in the wings in the Jersey cast or around the Jersey cast are the most desperate to get screen time and to be cast on the show. And I feel like in that instance, they will do or because of that, they will do anything in their power to get on, whereas like people in LA couldn't give two shits about being on Beverly Hills. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. The hangers on on this show are really the worst. That whole group. And that being said though, even though these people are so desperate to get on TV, I don't think there's any other group of side characters on any of the other shows that I enjoy as much as the side characters on New Jersey. No way. I disagree. I think they're more cartoony and that's what makes them funny. Um, have you met Dwight from the Real Housewives of Atlanta? The Atlanta side cast members are amazing. No, the Atlanta side characters are actually my least favorite of the side characters. They are the worst. They make my skin crawl. They're just, they're terrible. Miami has good side characters too. Miami's are good. What about Brooks from OC? Come on. Gotta love some Brooks. You know, by the way, I never, I never told you guys a story. I keep on forgetting it. I'm finally remembering finally a friend of ours who will remain nameless was at the Orange County Fair this summer and wound up, like, was that one of the carnival games? And Brooks was there doing the, like the, it was like horseshoes or something. And the prize was a veggie burger and so, and he was like, playing for a veggie burger. I would totally play anything for a veggie burger. That sounds delicious right now. Well, a couple of really good points. First, this is coming from Facebook. First of all, Tara Denise, that was me, you fuckers. Sorry. Didn't give you proper credit for that article submission. That was some good shit. Now, Tara, can you please decode it so I could read it? Does she just call us you fuckers? Yeah. Don't get me started. Don't get me started. In a loving way. The other crazy is gone. And then Derek says, Teresa wasn't blinking in the argument, so she was telling the truth. Good point, Derek. Derek is on top of his shit. He is so cool. Yeah, because if not, she would have been like, what? Derek is a smarty. Okay. Smarty old Derek. Come back. Can I just bring up? I got to say one other thing about Jersey today. I found out at Yahoo, we are going to be doing the official live stream of the red carpet of the American Music Awards in November. I believe it's Sunday, November 24th, and the people that will be doing the red carpet are somebody that I don't remember, Lance Bass and Rosie from the Real Housewives of New Jersey is going to be a red carpet correspondent for the American Music Awards. That's inspired casting. That's very inspired. That's real. I mean, what's she going to say? It's wrong. Is that uncomfortable? Hey, that bitch walked away from me. Okay. Let's go. And guess what, Ronnie, now people care about the American Music Awards. We do at least. Well, because the Grammys are ridiculous care about it, suddenly. All right. Let's move on to these new shows because we've got two new Bravo treats this week in I Dream of Nini and the new Atlanta. Let's start with the new. Let's start with Nini. I love it. Yum. Love, love, love it. I mean, I have hated Nini on the Real Housewives of Atlanta for the past two seasons. Um, but this woman is the only one that can truly hold her own spinoff. I was entertained. I mean, Ronnie, you can say that you're bored, but nobody gives better one liners and funny shit than Nini leaks. Usually, and I hope it gets better. I love that next week she's going to be telling off her stepchildren and she's like, you don't come into my house and check me. I love that. Anybody that says check me boo is forever, I forever love them. Well, I think that that looks good. This episode though, was just basically Nini going on and on about how Greg fucked her over and how he's so lucky that she's going to be married to him again. What did he do? He didn't do anything. He didn't talk shit. He talked shit about her on radio tricks. That was he got tricked into doing that, but he thought he was talking to his friend. He did not know he was on the radio. It doesn't count. And what he said and what he said was true. Nini did use his rich ass to look like she was more wealthy. She got some all this money trying to get, look good for this TV show. And then the second she got fame and fortune, she dumped his ass. He was right. I can't believe he's back there groveling. Well, then why is she taking him back, Ronnie? Because she's a moose and he's going to date her. I mean, Bullink will only get fucking, that's little squirrel. Nobody likes that little squirrel. I don't even know his name. That fat rich dude was buying her like stilettos all, you know, all day long. And she got on TV. It's not a real love. And because he was paid by Bravo probably. Yeah, no one's going to date Nini. I think Nini thought, oh, she's going to get this sitcom and then she's going to come to LA and then she can fuck anybody she wants to. And that's really not how it works. Like, well, I mean, how great was it also when at the beginning of the episode she goes, oh, well, we need to get married in June because the new normal will be back to shooting in August for season two. Cancelled. And you know, you know, Bravo was like, oh, even though that's part of the NBC Universal family, we're keeping that in because that's funny. Yeah, Greg may not have taste, but America does. Yeah, Nini, I have high hopes for it because the commercials look amazing. And I love that she's like, this was supposed to be the best day of my life. And it was a nightmare hell house mostly. That sounds good. That'll watch. This was just Nini being mean to Greg and then Greg groveling. And then they talked to some old ladies in the nursing home or something. No, they didn't talk to old lady. They talked to every aunt and uncle. I feel like Nini has 47 aunts and 52 uncles. Yes. That's your nose of. Oh, my God, I want the whole thing to be Nini and Greg living with all the step kids. That's what I want that I will watch every for 10 hours a day. So is that all about Nini guys? Do we just have to wait for more stuff to happen? I didn't get this. Ben, Ben, it is worth your time. It is worth your time. It is funny. A little bit of Nini goes a long way. It's what I always say about Bethany. Oh, oh, we didn't talk about this because well, maybe you did because I wasn't, I was MIA last week dealing with the Emmys, but am I the only one watching Bethany's new talk show? Yes. Yes. I love it. I love it. I saw it. It is like a. It is very slutty and I think it's fun. Wait a second. Okay. I will talk. It's a talk show for sluts. That should be the tagline. No, no offense Matt. It's a talk show for idiots. Okay. I watched one. I'm not saying you are. I'm not doing Alexia. What about it? It's a talk show for dumb sluts. Hey. Okay. I watched a segment of it last week. Which segment? It was Bethany. The one where she has the fish bowl and you pull it out and she said, would you ever do this? No, no, no. It was the segment where she says, she goes, she says, who else is always pulling underwear out of their ass? And I'm like, no, no, no one is. And she's like, one thing that I'm always doing is pulling underwear out of my ass. Here's some, here's some footage of people of my ass. And so then we watched like 20 seconds or 30 seconds of her pulling underwear out of her ass. And she's like, my underwear. What's going on here, man? What's coming on my ass? So finally she's like, now we have some tips on how to get underwear out of your ass. So they have this poor woman, they pull her out on stage. And she has like tips, like one way that underwear won't get stuck in your ass is if you get one that has like, it's a little bit wider than a G string. And then she's like, another thing is you could put a band-aid on your ass cheeks and then the thong can't go into your ass cheeks and people have to do this one. Why? I'm now clutching my pearls. I'm grossed out. What is happening? So people are like, people are booing this poor lady who brings out these things and this poor lady is probably like a PA who they're like, we need someone on stage right away. But then Bethany is like, oh, I want to try these on. So right there in front of everyone, she starts putting on this underwear. And so she puts on the underwear and she gets it like up there and then she's like, okay. And she takes it off and then she's like, who wants these? And she gives it away to the audience. Yeah. Were they screaming like Oprah fans who are like ripping off their heads to get like a free fam? No. I don't know. I mean, I'm hoping that she had a pair of underwear on under that. And I'm hoping that she didn't go all the way up. But still it's just like this like totally like, graceless, gross moment. It could have been funny, but it's just like, this is a woman who peed in a bucket on her way. That's what I was just saying. So it's like, I would you expect any more? She's an animal. Okay. She may be very rich. She may be much more successful than I am, but she is also an animal. Okay. And I thought the show was ridiculous. She has nothing to say. Yes, she does. It's funny as hell. I'm sorry. But all it is is like, slutty dumb sex stuff and it's more, you know, interesting than any of those people like Dr. Oz or Dr. Phil. Well, sure. I'll give you that, I guess. Yeah. So Karen, Seattle becomes a regular on the doctors. Look, she has a segment. Look, she has a segment and she walks around with a fishbowl and she pulls these questions out and she asks the people in the crowd and we watch it at work at three o'clock. And then we all discuss these things and yesterday or maybe, yeah, I think it was yesterday it goes. If you were at a department store and there's something that you really, really wanted, would you French these sales clerk to get 50% off the item and you know, that is a great debate. That is a hot topic. Yeah. I think it's called I would not. If it was like a $500 leather jacket that I could get for $250, yes, I would French that counterperson. Okay. I thought that more people would be excited about this. Clearly I'm the only one going to be watching this show. If the sales person, if the sales person were hot and I wanted to then, yeah, but. That's not the point. If they're a dirty troll, you should do it for 50% off. No. You're a batch. You're a bad Jew. No, I think I'm just a good person with standards. Please call them the standard standards, standard my standards. One of the funny things and I'm sorry to go back to this, but one funny thing that Tara and the girls are talking about on Facebook is that Nini called herself white black because she knows how to be hood, but she also knows how to act in a boardroom and she has to be serious. That's so offensive and so fucking rude. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a good thing to say. I think Madonna says white black makes her gray. Thank you. Thank you. Very well said Madonna. Yes, yes it does. So so far, I'm not convinced that I should ever watch this show in my life. Watch it next week because it looks like the step kids come in and she tells them off. So that's going to be good. Okay. So quick, we saw two more. We're going to have to speed through them because we've been talking forever. New Atlanta. Anybody want just? I saw part of it. I saw probably about 20 minutes. Here's my problem with the new Atlanta. These women or the ones that I saw are way too classy. I'm not saying they are classy, they're just too classy, meaning that they are they have too much like they were like nicely dressed. They spoke articulately. Would they be invited over to a cocktail party at Kerry and Duncan's? Absolutely. And therein lies the problem. These women, this show was boring because we only want to watch trashy people who think that they are glamorous and who have been given money by some quirk in the universe. Okay. These people that we were watching on, the new Atlanta, the ones that I saw, they seem more or less, you know, adjusted. They looked, some of the women looked really good. They didn't look like they had stupid weeds. Well, you didn't get to the part obviously where that girl with two toned hair is like a princess or whatever. Start had all her girlfriends to celebrate that she's starting to school that her mom's going to be paying, you know, paying for this whole dinner or whatever, obviously, because this bitch doesn't do anything. And she starts going off about how all she wants in life is to be a trophy wife and to find a man and he'll be her king. And when he comes home, all she wants to do is get on her knees and give him whatever he wants. He wants to please her man so much. And I was like, bitch, and guess who else? That white Jewish redneck girl. I don't even know her name. She got all offended and started rolling her eyes and they got in a fight and then all the fun. There was a boring fight. It was like a whatever fight. Here's the thing. I was saying that that's what she wants to do. I actually had no problem with that because I'm like, if that's what you want to do, if that's the way you want to have, you know, your relationship, fine. But if she started saying that's the way all women should be, then I'm like, oh, shut the fuck up. But if she says that's how the sort of life that she wants, fine, I'm glad that she owns up to it. You know, just do it. But I hope she doesn't hold herself up as any sort of beacon of feminism. Yeah, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that kind of lifestyle, but I think it's basically one lazy bitch. It's like her way out. It's like she doesn't even want to fall in love with an actual man. She just wants someone with a lot of money. You can pay her bills. It's so gross. Who doesn't? Anyway, the best thing, well, I won't one I can at least talk to. So my favorite part was this girl named Africa, who's got, first of all, because her name is Africa, and how can you not love that? Because that's crazy. And you know, she just like made it up herself to look more hood or whatever. Listen, her mom's a big toto fan. She got this big. She has this big gigantic stuff out there. And she's like, my name is Africa, and I do a lot of things. I'm an actress. I'm a model. People love my hair. That is not a thing that you do. That is not like one of the, you're an accurate singer and people like your hair. That is not a thing. And she's going to be a star. And this guy on the show is going to make her a star. And he so wants in her pants, and he's not even hiding it. So I don't know about this show, but I love Africa. I think she's going to be a friend of mine. I don't know. I'll give this show, I'll try to sit down and give the show a better look because the guys on it are really hot, but I felt a little too up market. I think that they just, I think that they just don't know each other yet. And it's like a season one of a housewife show where nothing happens until it happens. And then you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because already next week, I think they're throwing drinks and beating each other up. So. Okay. I mean, do we really need this or can we just have more? What's that other spinoff? Carrie and quad. What is all that shit? Mary to medicine. Mary to know gross. That's what I want. I don't care about these other people. It'll be back. Okay, by the way, I forgot to bring this up during the gossip section at the beginning of the show. But did you guys talk about the guy from the most eligible Dallas Matt Nordgren on last week's episode? No, dating. No, dating Lindsay is dating Lindsay Lohan. Matt was the one who was like the real estate. He's like his dad. His dad's company, right? He's the one that was missing this big chunk of hair like Joe Borgo, but sprayed it on. Yeah, he's the one and he was like the ladies man, but wasn't, wow, he was dating that little like country bumpkin wannabe singer with a baby. And then he was also kind of dating Courtney, who was his best friend. And then Courtney was supposed to get a spinoff and then it didn't happen. And I'm really sad. So really liked Courtney. And now he's boning. Lolo. Lolo. Lolo. Well, I don't know who's in a sadder position. Eat, drink, love. Those bitches don't even get love on this show. We'll watch anything on Bravo. Yeah. The thing is, I haven't seen it in a few weeks. Are you guys not even watching million dollar listing in Los Angeles because that shit is good? I am so behind in all my TV, but thankfully I'm up on my survivor and I saw Colton Yelling at that girl. That was great. I'm not doing survivor this season. I'm done. Like you know, I just, I went on a survivor route this month, and I was like, I'm not doing survivor this season, I'm done. And I don't watch it enough to know who all those people are who got kicked off. I only know Tina and Colton and the other girl from Colton season, and I think that's all I even know. So I don't get like the inside references they're making. Like, if I can't even mock it, I have no for business watching. When I heard that Rupert was cast, I immediately deleted it from my DVR. Listen up CBS, listen up CBS, nobody likes him. Only freaks who like tie-dye. Do we have any other Bravo shows or are we done here? Well, if you guys didn't watch Eat Drink Love, then we're done. Is it still on TV? Yes. It's about to be the season finale, like 5 p.m. Okay. I'll watch it today, but what's going on with that little fuku burger girl? She got fired from her job and she says it's because her whole team betrayed her and stole all of her ideas and claimed to miss her own. Which what ideas? I don't know because it's because Rupert was a disaster witch or had her. Yeah. I mean, it's like a fucker. He wants to eat there. Nobody. You can't take your kids to that place and she got fired, but then I think she found another job and then, I don't know, they're fighting over stupid things like dip, but I find it fun and you get to see a lot of food. And there was a girl named Lindsay who's really skinny and she's kind of balding and she's really mean to everybody. So I kind of like her too. It's like balding girls last stand. Yeah. Okay. Are we done? The Alopecia Chronicles. I think we are done. I think we are done. So anyway, you can find Ronnie. A little piece of chronicles. You can find starring Victoria Gotti and Teresa Jucci. I know. You can find Ronnie at trash tweet TV on Twitter. You can find Matt @lifeontheamless. You should really follow us on facebook facebook.com/washworkrapins. We are just a few people away from hitting 2000 likes. Maybe we've already hit it by the time this is aired. I'm @bsideblog. Follow us on all our platforms, please, and leave a review on iTunes. Why not? And you should subscribe to us on iTunes and on SoundCloud and Stitcher. Wherever you want to subscribe, we'll be there for you. So anyway, hold on a second, I think I have someone at the door. It's almost all perfect timing. 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