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This episode of Watch What Crapids is brought to you by GoDaddy. Go to GoDaddy.com and use the promo code Crapids, and you can get a new domain for $1.99. It's an amazing deal. Even if you don't have a site that you even want to build yet, lock down that domain before anyone else does, $1.99. This is really, really a great deal. You're saving like $10 or $12. Go do it. GoDaddy.com/crapids. Hey everyone, welcome to Watch What Crapids, a podcast dedicated to all that crap we love on Bravo. My name is Matt Whitfield from Yahoo Entertainment, and joining me as always is Ben Mandelker from Beside Blog. Say hello, Ben. Hello, the world. I like when you use hand signals for all of our Deaf podcast listeners. Hello. Hello. I probably just cursed them all off by accident. You probably did. That was probably some sign language, a brute sign language that we are unaware of. But anyway, thank you for joining us today, everybody. As you will notice, Ronnie Karam from Trash Talk TV is not with us. I believe that he has gone to Texas for a wedding, which sounds awful. Yeah, I would never do such a thing. Unless it was a hunky wedding, then I would go. Well, that's completely understandable. Anyway, thank you guys for joining us. We are now video casting this episode right now, but you can also find the podcast later on iTunes and Stitcher. Don't forget to get involved with us on Facebook. We are facebook.com/watchowcraphens. You can find us as a group on Twitter at whatcraphens. You can find Ben @ Beside Blog and you can find me @lifeonthemlist. Don't forget, Ronnie. We'll give him a shout out too. You can find him on Twitter at trashtweetTV. Yes, and he's also on other platforms, but he's not consistent with his names. So we're not even going to bother trying to send you to them. Just go to his Twitter and you'll be set. So today without Ronnie here cracking the whip, we're probably going to go a little bit shorter than normal. Those of you stuck in traffic for an hour and a half, you're going to have about a half hour less than normal, because Ben and I are trying to be efficient today. Yeah, and by the way, we say this every single week, so clearly we're going for two and a half hours. But that's okay. Yeah, clearly, clearly. I remember back in the day when you would go to the video store and you'd rent one of those VHS's and you'd see that it'd be like a double VHS box. Oh, like the godfather or something like that? The godfather or Ben, her or Schindler's list, they always have that double VHS box. And I always thought like, I can't commit. Can't commit. I know. I'm surprised that anyone commits to our podcast, to be honest. Listen, you only have to listen to 15 minutes and that's fine. It's true. It's true. But apparently people are really invested. Our numbers on Facebook are through the roots. So thank you all for participating there. It's a hell of a lot of fun. And thank you again also for the very nice comments that you leave on iTunes and for those of you who've never left us an iTunes comment, get your butts over there. We need five stars and we really like it when you pump up our egos and write really nice things about us because we are sad and pathetic and we really need that boost of confidence at the end of a really long day. We really do need it. And one way you could also help with that is that as if you like us on Facebook because we're at like 1900 followers and if we can get to 2000 that would be awesome. Just for no real reason just for our own egos. Right. There's not like a present or a prize for any of you. Just again, I like when my ego is massaged among other things. I like massages in all forms and varieties, sort of like a Mario singer massage or maybe a Ramona singer massage for Mario involving lots of oils in a New York City suite. Actually, that is that is a massage I would never want to actually. But for egos for my ego, yes, I will take I will take any kind of ego massage available. Anyway, before we get into things today, we're obviously going to be talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, the reunion part three, which was explosive. And I know Ronnie is dying because he's not here with us. We'll also touch on Eat Drink Love, Real Housewives of Miami, Below Deck, and I'm still watching some of the Jeff Lewis shows. I think I'm probably alone there, but we will get to all of those before that we should talk a little gossip. Do you have anything you want to bring up? You know, I feel like I had a really good story to share and I cannot remember it for the life of me. So no gossip on my end. I was reading earlier today that Teresa and Joe Judiche got into a fight with police over like a $5 bill or something. Did you hear anything about that earlier today? That sounds like a gross exaggeration because clearly they would get into a fight over a $1 bill, you know, it was probably some tips, you know, it was probably some tips from the pizza parlor that was probably a front for an illegal activity of some sort. Maybe it was a fight over the valet at the brownstone or even better at cafes. If cafes has a valet, we should just go kill ourselves because clearly we're in the wrong line of business. And if Lauren Manzo is more successful than the two of us, that is a problem. Well, she's a business woman now. She's a business woman. She doesn't have time for Vito or parking her own car. So clearly there is a valet, an ex salad valet. An ex salad valet. Thank you. And it's like Thomas on down Navi. He actually comes with a little, someone comes over to you with a little silver tray and opened the dome and under it, his ex salad. You know what, when you value your car at a lot of places in Los Angeles, which the other funny thing is you have to value your car at ridiculous places like Target and, you know, places that should not have valets. But when you do that, a lot of times you'll get back into your car and you'll have like a bottle of water from like the Beverly Hills Hotel or something like that. But if you did do your valet at cafes, you'd get in and in your cup holder would probably be like a little like plastic solo cup filled with eggs salad. I don't even think there'd even be a cup. I think it's like just loose egg salad in the cup holder. You know, like when you go to Amazon and you want to buy like a cable for cheap, it doesn't even come in packaging. It's just like in the plastic bag. That's what the egg salad is. Just loose discount egg salad courtesy of the face. For some reason, I think the phrase loose egg salad is pretty much up there with the other disgusting words that I don't like to use such as slacks, panties, and moist or especially moist panties. She's got some loose egg salad down there. That is really disgusting. I mean, I'm sure her father will be able to give her an egg salad rejuvenation in addition to her lap band surgery. Have you ever really smelled egg salad? Have you ever thought about what that would smell like if there was loose egg salad in your car? This is probably not going to blow your mind because you know me well enough here, but I have never had egg salad in my life and I've never had a deviled egg because they terrify me. Okay, real quickly, egg salad, I don't get it. I think egg salad is really disgusting. Deviled eggs, I've had some recently because they're sort of like new deviled eggs are coming back. They are really good, Matt. I would look into them. Isn't egg salad just deviled eggs chopped up with mayonnaise? I don't know, maybe someone could highlight that. I don't know, but I feel like egg salad smells like grossness. It smells like sulfuric feces, whereas deviled eggs taste lovely, so I think I must be some difference. They look creepy and I think of dead baby chickens when I look at them, and perhaps we should have Cat Odell from Eat Drink Love on the podcast to help us discuss the pros and cons of deviled eggs. But I'm thinking that she probably doesn't want to come on, watch what crap is after the mean tweets that I sent out last night on her. Please go on. I mean, we'll get to Eat Drink Love in a minute here, but Cat Odell is horrifying, and the fact that you kind of know her makes me really gross. I mean, to say that I know her, it doesn't make me gross, it makes her gross, or you gross. You know what, it makes everyone gross, and I really don't know her very well at all. But I do know I've been talking to various food bloggers about a town, because everyone's like, "Are you watching it? Are you watching it?" And I'm like, "Well, of course I'm watching it," and I was like, "Is this sort of the way she is?" And so I spoke to one food blogger last week, and she was like, "Here's a thing with Cat Odell. She's a sort of girl where you run into her at a food event, and then she pretends like she doesn't know who you are, or doesn't remember who you are, and then does like a faux shy thing the whole rest of the night." And I'm like, "You know what, I could see that, and I would hate that." A lot about her does seem faux, and I just can't believe for the life of me that she has any friends, because she's horrible. So on Twitter, last week I was watching the show, like in the middle of the night, I think it was catching up. I don't think that I got on board initially with you and Ronnie, but now I'm fully invested and tweeted. It was on the night where everybody was posting pictures about the moon looking all crazy in LA, and it was pissing me off, because my entire Twitter feed was filled up with moon pictures. I wrote, "Dear everyone, I don't care about your incessant moon pics, I only care about my supreme hatred for Kat Odell, gaseous star of #eatdrinklove. The funny thing is, one of her co-stars who clearly dislikes her, retweeted me." Was it Brenda? It was. Let me find here. Who is this? Just Jess L.A. who is the- That's the little girl. So a little munchkin girl on Eat Drink Love who likes to tell everybody that she weighs 100 pounds and is only 5'8" or something like that. Yeah. She had to work hard. She had to work hard to get Harry Borden's approval. She had to work hard. Yeah, so I just found it really funny that she retweeted me or favorited it or something, but then on Twitter, she still does #atcat_odell for certain things, but maybe she is a frenemy or she's nice to cat's face, but behind her back she's talking shit, which I love. I love when cast members really hate each other behind their backs. Some of these reality stars are also gluttons for punishment. Let's not forget one year ago when we were enjoying the wonder and the splendor of gallery girls. Wait. Moment of silence. Okay, content. Okay. That was like a true moment of silence. That was not even sarcastic. I know, right? I mean, I posted that thing on Facebook this week about the 15 reasons why I'd be like missed the show and got it. It struck a chord with our with our diehard fans on Facebook. Let's get to that in a moment. Before we do that though, a year ago when that was on, we would talk so much about gallery girls and then Maggie from gallery girls, guy girls, and she started following at least me out, maybe you guys too, and like tweeting at us and she loved it. And even though we talked so much shit, you know, sometimes people just enjoy being talked about. You know what they also love? They also love a good Ben Mandelkern name drop. They do. A podcast would not be complete without one of those. You know, and I have so many. I have so many to offer. You do. Now, wait. Was Maggie the one who was afraid to walk on broken glass in Brooklyn? Yes. Yes. She also would play with her hair and she would wine a lot. She's like, "I don't want to do this." And she was also the one that would complain about people's like hideous apartments and she lived in like that shitty looking hovel. Yes. Absolutely. You know, gallery girls, a year on, we should have done a retrospective. The gallery girls one year later, because it really was probably the best bravo show of the past 10 years. I feel like it really worked. Of the past 10 years would be the history of the network. It may have been the best bravo show of all time, like especially now that a year is past Buzzfeed, you know, and I hate Buzzfeed, but Buzzfeed did an article which Matt was just alluding to, who was it, like the top 17 things that we miss about gallery girls one year on. It opened so many wounds for me, Ben, like wounds I mean happy wounds, like stabs that I wanted to pick and have like the oozing gross characters of that show and I call them characters because those cannot be real people. But like it just brought up so many things that I miss about that show. And to be honest with you, we are horrible people for not doing a proper one year retrospective. However, I mean, I put this out there as a suggestion. Last year, we did our first annual crappy awards for Watch For Crap-ins and I'm thinking that, you know, like how MTV has the video Vanguard award for, you know, and just like Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, the video Vanguard award, may I suggest that we come up with a video Vanguard-esque award at the crappies this year that is brought to you by gallery girls. Yeah, I would be totally for that because honestly, if you go to that Buzzfeed article and the link is on our Facebook page, you see there's they put up a bunch of gifts and of course the gifts always have like little subtitles and some of these quotes that have just sort of like I've forgotten about seeing them just written down, you just realize the genius of this show and the one problem of the Buzzfeed article is that it focuses excessively on Angela and Angela's very funny but there were so many other brilliant characters on that show that didn't even make it to the article. It's really, it brings me sad. It brings a Botox tier to my eye and by that of course I mean there's no tier whatsoever but I can at least act like I'm crying. You are, you are the Bruce Jenner of podcasts with that with that. The Gretchen Rossi and the Gretchen Rossi. The Taylor Armstrong of podcasts. Oh okay, well that is a great segue then and why don't you talk right now so people can see you? This is my Taylor Armstrong presentation. Okay, so there was also, did it come out this week that Taylor Armstrong got married to that lawyer guy? I did not know about that whatsoever actually. Tell me before me. I feel like I read it somewhere but I really didn't care enough to fully investigate it but I think Taylor maybe officially is married or oh no I think she's officially engaged to a lawyer man who kind of looks a little bit like Yolanda's husband David Foster. He's a little older, a little salt and peppery and he loves to wear a white linen pant. I thought you were going to say he kind of looks like Yolanda which would have been amazing because it would have been, it would have meant that she had to have been marrying a magician because any man who looks like Yolanda basically looks like he's on the Vegas trip. He basically looks like one of the sick, free to a Roy, one of them. Preferably not the one eaten by the tiger. Yeah, exactly. I mean if you ever think, I never actually thought about that but Yolanda is, she does actually look exactly like a Vegas entertainer, a male Vegas entertainer. Beautiful as a woman but very wrong as a man. Do you think that she would arrive on stage in a big huge glass amazing see-through refrigerator? That would be her unveiling. Yes. I should hand out complimentary lemons to everyone in the audience. Oh my god, what is wrong with this? So Taylor's engaged, you know what, I hate Taylor right now because, what do you mean right now? Well, I don't hate Taylor as much as everyone else does usually but I'm hitting her right now because I hate this whole thing of, you know, a woman like her husband in this case tragically kills himself and like give yourself some time, like give some, have some alone time. Don't just jump into the next relationship, Vicky Gunville Sin and Gretchen Rossi and now Taylor Armstrong. I hate that. I hate that. I hate when women jump into the next relationship and then they wonder why their cycle, their cycle has not, of whatever it is, doesn't break. Do you think that that is a sign of weakness? I mean this happens to men and women but people that cannot be single cannot be alone. I just think that like, guess what, everyone's going to die eventually but you need to learn how to be alone at some point. I do think so. I mean the flip side is you can say you're in a terrible relationship and then a Prince Charming comes along and takes you out of it and why would you turn that away? So I get that too. But sometimes I think, I don't have a feeling that this is Prince Charming sweeping Taylor off her feet. I think it's called, she still has debt and she needs to marry somebody with money. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, Prince Charming has a lot of money. Prince Charming has a- He's not a Prince for nothing. He's not like a Prince Van Anhold, you know. He's got money. He can back it up. He can back it up unlike Anhold. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He's got a lot of offshore accounts. Do you think any of this might have to do with the fact that Taylor was probably not- I mean I don't know, Beverly Hills, the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills has already been shooting. I mean they're probably even close to wrapping production on the upcoming season but do you think this was a play on Taylor's part to be more involved this season? I don't even know officially if she is a friend of the Housewives or if she's a full on cast member this year. Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a publicity stunt because now all these Housewives have become savage to the fact that if you have anything approaching an engagement, you're going to get a season-long arc. And by the way, we all hate. We hate, as the viewers, I'm going to say, we hate the engagement arcs, we hate the wedding arcs. I'm so done with them. If we wanted to watch that, we'd watch Weeb, this is Bravo, we want to see caddiness. No one cares about the fairytale weddings that the show puts on. Exactly, I mean Ben makes a very good point here. I haven't even seen the Nini spin-off or the Tamara spin-off yet and I can already tell you I don't want to see them. I will watch them for this podcast but I am not looking forward to them. I think it's completely ridiculous more so than ever. We already know that these shows are fabricated but these wedding spin-offs are incredibly fake and I just want to watch dinner parties. I just want to watch fights at dinner parties. Yeah, why is there not a Bravo show that's just solely about caddy dinner parties? I mean, that's or just a travel show. How about a show in BloDeck I guess sort of gets it sort of right. Wait, are you suggesting that BloDeck is a travel show? Well, in that they're in a confined space but if you think about it, the best Housewives episodes are when the cast is stuck together, they can't go anywhere and they are traveling and they are stressed out. So we need to have a travel show and/or dinner party show and that would be a good TV right there. I think that there should be a show and we're probably somebody is going to come up with this next week but there should be a dinner party show where inappropriate topics are put into a bowl and you are locked in the room for like five hours with alcohol and you are forced to talk about the inappropriate topics. It's like drunk history except for the reality stars. Don't tell the history. Have the reality stars tell, say, what happened in a situation. That's like, no, I'm going to pitch that reality show. I'm going to say, it's not going to, drunk history is where they take an expert, get them really drunk and have them explain the history and it's acted out. My version is going to be a dumb history version where someone does not know what happened and it gets acted out in my words. Well, I'm nervous because Bravo very well could green light that. Yeah. I would actually watch that. By the way, they did. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. I was going to say just about below deck. I noticed there was a commercial for a below deck reunion. Did you see, did you see, however, that it is not a full on property union? It's going to take place. It's going to take place on an episode of watch what happens with Andy Cohen. Yeah. No, it's not a full on reunion, but you know what though? It's a hell of a lot more than princesses got. So that's bad news on the princesses front. It is bad news on the princesses front, but for those below deck fans out there, you should be happy. We did this on our Facebook page recently. If you're now watching us live, you can go to our Facebook page and see this. But if you're listening on the podcast a day later, you can go back and check it out. But Bravo just officially renewed below deck for a second season today. I'm very excited. The funny thing though, is for a second back to what Ben was just mentioning about the reunions, I don't think that Bravo thought that Vanderpump rules or below deck would be hits at all. I thought that they just thought that they would burn them off. And I feel like the Vanderpump rules reunion was thrown together very haphazardly at the last second, and they milked it for two episodes. And now below deck, which is scoring ratings that are equivalent to Vanderpump rules, just a little bit below two million viewers per episode. Now they're throwing the entire cast on Watch what happens with Andy Cohen. And again, this means a good thing for below deck, but when we don't see the princesses on Watch what happens, I think that that means no reunion, no next season. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. At this point, for any of the shows to be honest, is it true that they're recasting below deck? There's a lot of rumors swirling out there. You know, I'm fine if they recast some of that. Except for Captain Lee. Captain Lee is staying. Well, here's the problem. Captain Lee is boring. And just like. No, no, no, no. Captain Lee is the best because he is what I love in a reality show, a crusty old person who yells at the idiots who are much younger than he is. That's the perfect description for Vicki Gunkelson, a crusty old person who yells at the people that are much younger than himself or herself. Yes. And I feel like you were setting up a segue, but I just wanted before I honor your segue. No, I actually, I wasn't planning on it as a segue. I'm not done talking about below deck. Oh, okay. No, I was going to say my favorite thing in reality TV is when old people yell at young people. I'm a big brother when we had Jerry and Renny and I was great on this little gem of an MTV show called The Girls of Heads or Hall where they put these like bad girl club girls in a British boarding school and had old fat British school marms yell at them all day long. It was just the best. It's like what you always want happens like a dream coming true. And that's what I like about Captain Lee. He makes my dream come true. He is a dream. I think that we would all agree that a few of the crazies on that show, you know, the drunk idiots. They make for good TV, but they're plumbing drunk idiots out in the world that we could, you know, have fill their shoes. And I know a few of you mentioned this on the Facebook page and I wholeheartedly agree if they are going to recast because they please get some hot dudes. I agree, especially. I think the one who's supposed to be really hot was CJ and he's he's got his face. His face looks like it's come straight from the leather factory. I mean, this guy is, you know, a lot of sunshine in his time, decent body, but man, he is. Hey, I'm a son worshipper and I know that this is all going to go to hell. Oh, wait, it already did go to hell, but it, yeah, I could not. I could not make it on that show, but we could use some, we could use some hotter bodies. The other thing is, though, the cat, the guy, Alex, I know, but the problem is the captain wants all the people to keep their shirts on because that, you know, keeps it classy. But I'm like, if this is reality TV, let's just take off the pants too. No, I like the degree to which we see them taking out their shirts because you never know what's going to happen. You get a little peak here and there. I think that's, I think that's scintillating, but I agree. We need some, we need some better, we need, we need some better faces. I think you have, it's good to have some like ugly faces in there too. I think those are always fun because the ugly people are always the most interesting and hilarious, but we could, we can get some better bodies. Although, you know what, I actually did like that Eddie guy. There's something about him. I found very attractive. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Shocking, right? What, what ugly people in bravo history do you find interesting? You just, you just said that the uglier people tend to be the more interesting ones and I'm curious to know who from, who from bravo's vaults do you find interesting that was maybe not as pretty as some of their cast members or cast mates? Okay. I would say the ones that I've enjoyed have been less aesthetically blessed. Amy from Gallery Girls. Amazing. Amazing. The, the blonde one on Blodak, the, the drunkard, she's also hilarious. Let's just call her, let's just call her Amy from Gallery Girls. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. She is basically Amy from Gallery Girls. I don't know if this counts. I don't know if mama else accounts because it's not, when, when they get old enough and they get ugly, it doesn't really matter. Wait a minute. Are you suggesting that she gets a free pass on that plastic surgery just because she's an old lady? No. You know, yeah. Because I think she's, I think she gets a, she's, she's an, she's an, she's an interesting because she's old. Not because she's ugly. Um, you know what, um, I'm drawing a blank, but I will say I will go jump over to MTV and I'll say the entire cast of sorority life seasons one through three were always the ugliest girls and they were hilarious to watch because they have so many insecurities, you know? And so they take it out season two of sorority life, TV gold, TV gold, oh my goodness, especially because it like dovetailed with season one of fraternity life. Oh, yeah. Oh, ready? Here's this Matt. Someone from my high school was on fraternity life season one. He went to Sydney Buffalo. Nick Rice. Oh, well, I'm sure he wasn't in the same frat that you and I were in, which shocker to those of you listening under watching right now, Ben and I were both frat boys, gasps. Yep. And we were in the same frat. Yep. You're both so yeah. Um, you weren't supposed to, you weren't supposed to reveal that on the podcast, but yes. Oh, well, sorry. Secret handshake. Oh, wait. I don't know it anymore. I remember it, but I'm not, I'm not going to show it. I'm not going to show it because there are some secrets that are meant to be kept anyway. So, sorority girls had a bunch of ugly girls and, uh, don't remember when that one girl slapped, remember that girl Sylvia slapped the other girl? Oh, yes. Great. Great, great times. Uh, you should really do a list about the amazingness of sorority life and fraternity life on MTV. Well, you know what? Uh, here's some insider scoop. Those shows would probably still be around if those idiots at Santa Cruz didn't kill an 80 year old koi fish and create a national debacle. Darn. I know. You remember that? And that's, you know, it's too much liability for MTV and they already had enough hard enough time dealing with the college campuses. So that killed the show, which is too bad because that was another jump. Sorority life, fraternity life, girls of hats are all gallery girls and probably soon to be princesses. These are all gems people. These are forgotten hidden gems. Nothing is, but I know we're totally sidetracking here. I know. Let's talk about a short podcast. What was the, uh, the show with Ally Hill figure? Oh, it's like rich girls, right? That one. That was the best. That was the best show ever. Really? I did not, I did not feel gem like about that one didn't give me gemmy feelings. You are wrong. You are wrong. But now I'm thinking about gem and the holograms and we should probably get to the real housewives of Orange County because the other night we had the third installment of the reunion. And as expected, it was explosive. I'm sure a lot of you that are watching our podcast right now and watch the show have many opinions. Thank you for sharing them on our Facebook page. But then what are your main takeaways? Wow. Uh, that Brooks is such a scumbag. I didn't even realize how much of a scumbag was actually my big takeaway was this. I really need to know what goes on the Bellino household. I want to know how quirkiness is, hey, catch this. I can't even get into the Brooks and Vicki. We have to talk about Alexis. Yeah, let's talk about everybody and then we'll end with Vicki and Brooks. But Alexis Bellino saying that fun times with her husband revolve around playing catch with a good and plenty. Andy Cohen, who were not the biggest fan of, but Andy Cohen almost lost his shit. He thought it was the funniest thing ever. And I agree. I had the distinct pleasure of watching the show last night with our friend Michelle Collins, who is possibly the funniest woman alive. And to see Alexis Bellino is funnier than Alexis Bellino. I should say intentionally funny and seeing Alexis Bellino say certain things and then hearing Michelle's reactions was just like, I was like in heaven, especially when Alexis said, you know, last year, Jim always does all these great things, but they'll get left on the chopping room floor. They do them because they have a chopping room in their mansion, they can't afford. They have a little appa twa, you know, where they take care of some veal. But then I love when she's like, you know, people don't realize, you know, Jim is like really fun and spontaneous like he's like, here, catch this. Did she say, did she describe him as quirky? She said quirky. Like he's like fun and quirky. I just like that her example of him being quirky is basically him treating her sort of like a dog. Right. I mean, he was telling her to fetch candies that probably rolled off his gut when he was like watching TV. Yeah. They all have like little bits of hair, you know, trapped on them, sort of stuck. Yeah. Five second rule. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's the Bellino five seconds. That was to me one of the funniest moments of the reunion. And then we started off the show, though, with, I think we talked about Heather and her husband's marital woes airing on TV, which I mean, to be honest with you, I felt like that was one of the most staged arcs for the entire season, which, you know, that's a bold statement coming out of Orange County, where everything feels staged. But when Heather's marital problems feel staged, you know, I just, I don't buy it. I don't buy her. And I don't really fucking care about them. You know, her little clip package just sort of underscored the fact that she is so dour and humorless. I mean, just, Terry's a good guy. And the fact that when they brought the onion ring situation and she's like that, she's like, let it go. She's like, she's like, look, you know, like, I, you know, I was doing a lot and why he couldn't be like, you know, I'll have an rings next week. How about Borgo the other way, be like, all right, so I'll put an onion ring in there. She wasn't, by the way, she wasn't doing a lot. She was dealing with a caterer. She could have just told the caterer, you know what, okay, add some onion rings. That's all she had to do. Right. She's making it sound like she was slaving away in the kitchen. And the reality is she has a staff of 5,000 people. Yeah. And by the way, whoever submitted the question to Bravo and I don't even know how people do submit questions. How great was, well, they make it up clearly, but it was a great question. So why don't you tell everybody? The question that was like, why won't you let the man have an onion ring when he's probably when he's the one paying for the party in the first place? Well, Ben, well, Ben, they have a really strong partnership and she brings fabulousity to his life while he brings home the money. That was pretty much her response. Yeah. And then she was like, well, they have a partnership. She's like, I bought the lot and Terry bought the building of, you know, for their house. It's a partnership. She's like, I pay for things just as much as he does. And that's just so insulting to say that he is the sole provider. She's like, I had a very successful, I had a very successful television career before I ever met, before I ever met Terry. I'm like, what was this, your big band career? Was this your, your stand up comedy career? Was this your singing career? What was your career? What was this? Your stint on the, the swiftly, uh, uh, uh, uh, canceled Jenny McCarthy program really? Really? Is she going to really hang her hat on this shit because she's not getting anywhere with anybody with this? I mean, in the fact that her career, like, that was kind of promising so long ago, like, I'm sorry, but we don't know your career. We don't recognize you from TV. You were now officially a reality TV trash bag. So just commit. Yeah. I mean, last time I checked, I, I feel like your starring turn in this failed CBS sitcom, that's life, never quite made a disindication. I'm sorry. I don't, I don't know if that starring turn was enough to really build the Chateau in Orange County. Heather Dubrow is not even famous enough to be, um, asked to join the Chateau sequel. I mean, Tara Reed has top billing over Heather Dubrow. So just know your role, honey, just, just figure it out and accept it. Well, I mean, why would she ever do Chateau when she's our practically a cast member of Malibu country? You know, soon to be Emmy nominated. Right. Um, you're forgetting that Chateau was more popular than, uh, Reba McIntyre. Um, so that was funny. It was, it was always fun to get a dose of Heather being self-serving and self important. Um, well, let's get on to the, uh, the main, well, no, no, we, before we get to Vicki Brianna and all that craziness, let's talk Tamara for a second. So, um, Andy pretty much had to promote, um, her upcoming wedding specials. So we talked about that briefly and we found out that, um, Tammy Sue V, who then became Tamara Barney is now officially Tamara judge, which we did know. And we also found out that Eddie has not been making love to his, uh, bicycle as much. And he's been busy riding Tamara, which made me throw up in my mouth a little. Yeah. You saw what just happened to me right here. I, I just knew it threw up the mic. It like my lungs seized up. First of all, I want Eddie to shave his beard. Okay. I understand that right now I've got a little bit of scruff going on here. That's pure laziness. I don't actually think this looks good. Okay. Are you, are you calling me lazy? Yours looks good because yours can fill in mind. I get like a giant depth thing, but Eddie cannot grow a full beard properly. And it looks hideous. Why he has that beard on. And I'm not talking about Tamara, ha, ha, ha, um, is, is beyond me. Second of all, when she's like, Oh, now I'm Tamara judge. I'm so glad to get rid of the Barney. Why didn't you get rid of it beforehand? You know, you can do that Tamara. It's a little, little thing that annoyed me. And also the thing of Tamara being called Tamara judge, I just would never want to use the word judge and Tamara in the same phrase, let alone the same name. And that really, especially when, you know, when she's listed alphabetically and she's going to be referred to as judge Tamara, that makes me very scared. Um, I, as much as I hate Tamara, um, and she's probably my least favorite housewife in history. Judge Tamara, I could see that I could, I could see her taking over when judge Judy finally retires. I would, I would wash that. I would, I would love to watch judge Tamara actually. She would just probably kick everyone out of her courtroom out of my courtroom. She just take them by their chair to get them out enough, enough. And then under her, uh, what, what do judges wear? What is that thing called that cape? Um, I believe it's called a robe. Oh, a robe under that. She could wear a cape. She wore a cape left in fact. She could wear a capelet and cut what she would wear. She probably wear a sports bra and a capelet. I was going to say with, uh, with a cut fitness, big C, C F on the back. Yeah. She wouldn't be on the bench. She'd actually be, uh, she's just beyond some strange Pilates machine doing some weird like lengthening thing while she hears the cases. And then she starts like, I actually should take every case and make it about her. So like, you know, like your honor, I came here because my neighbor's dog chewed up, uh, the tire of my car. She's like, well, you know, I reminds me of a car that I had. It was a car that I lost my virginity in. And then I subsequently tried to commit suicide. It was very difficult time for me. I am found guilty. You are a terrible person. Clearly, Tamara would have a lot of cases that involved dog leashes being thrown at her, which she accused us, but, um, I'm just going to put this out there. She deserves to have many, many at least thrown at her head because she is horrible. Um, I, she can have anything thrown at her really, as long as it's not life threatening. That's true. That's true. Um, so Tamara kind of was boring this episode. I mean, it really wasn't about her. It was really about how pathetic Vicky Gunballson is, which I have to say by the end of this episode. I mean, it's really strange because, you know, we don't have, you know, a lot of family issues on some of the programs that are true and meaningful. I mean, with Jersey, obviously that cuts really deep, but I felt like last night on the reunion, part three, Vicky stood up and was like walking off the stage because this was hitting a little too close to home for her, which means I loved it even more. And literally hitting too close to home, Brianna revealed that she was the daughter of, she, she suffered abuse as a child. But what does that mean? Is that with her true biological father, Vicky's first husband? I cannot imagine that would be done. I can't imagine that would be done. I don't think it's done, but you know what though? I mean, it just shows, it shows why she likes this Ryan asshole. This guy is clearly going to beat up Brianna. I'm sorry. I know that might sound lifeless, but he clearly, well, he's a hothead. He's crazy. He's nuts. I know that throwing some PTSD, this is not going to be a good situation for her, but you know why she drawn to him? Because that's what she was, that's what she knows. Sorry, like it doesn't take a genius just to see how that worked out. You know, I am getting to the point where I can no longer defend Brianna. I have loved her from the get-go. I love that she's part of the show. I don't want her to go anywhere because clearly she makes for good TV and the mother-daughter dynamic is just fucked up and amazing. But I will say, I had a serious problem with her on the reunion. I like that she attacks Brooks and we'll get there in a second. We have a serious problem with her defending her husband with regards to the situation with Lydia's mother. You guys know that I am not Lydia's biggest fan by any means, but I love Lydia's mother and I think that the way he acted was repulsive and I don't think that Bravo, the producers of the reunion didn't put Ryan on enough of a blast because I really wanted them to replay the tapes again and again showing that Ryan truly was out of line with regards to Lydia's mom and who cares? Okay, maybe this woman put her feet up on Vicki's couch. Maybe she put some mud there. Guess what? Lydia can write you a check for a cleaning crew to come in and wipe down your sofa and you know, have your carpets clean if it really is that bad. The way he acted was disgusting. I'm still not over it, but I have a serious problem with Brianna not saying, "You know what? I'm sorry." She needed to apologize on behalf of her husband. I don't give a shit that he is in Afghanistan. I appreciate what our military does for us. That does not excuse him from acting like an asshole and for her not apologizing. I agree 100% Matt. I think that if for her the night of the party to defend her husband, they sort of mentioned this on the reunion, I kind of get that I still think it was wrong, but now that there's been some time that's passed and she can look at the tapes, she should have been more contrite. Instead, her response was, "Ever since I was a little girl, you're not allowed to have anything out of place in my mother's house at all." The fact that she started to go on that path and she started to say, "Well, he was defending the house as if this house was something special." Again, as we've mentioned, I don't think any house that has a caliente sign and lots of rooster art is not special. Not special. Not special. I think that actually Lydia's mom probably improved it by getting red wine stains and mud on the couch. I think pretty much anything from Ashley Furniture, which we can all safely assume is where her furnishings came from, could use a little red wine and mud to improve them. Or Jennifer Convertibles, don't we? Yes, yes, exactly. But the point is this, though, for her to defend Ryan like that and to say, "Well, to cast him in a light as if he was almost being heroic, he being the gentleman that he is was defending his mother-in-law's house. He was protecting these furnishings from the mud. He was just doing what he had to do and he was stressed. It was extremely repulsive to me. To me, it showed someone who is making excuses and they all sort of said that, but it was awful." It was actually an entire night of those women making excuses for their husbands or men and it was sad. You made a good point there. You were suggesting that a lot of time has gone past and clearly Brianna has watched these episodes air and so she should be able to process that and then apologize. The funny thing is she's kind of a hypocrite shocker because all she wants is Vicki to listen to the recording of Brooks and Ryan's conversation and process that and really move forward and figure out how she wants to deal with it, but Brianna can't even watch the show and realize that her husband was an awful asshole. And also Brianna had a real bitchy moment too when I think, I forget what the question was, is there something like, in retrospect, what do you think? And she goes, "Well, all I know is that I was up late at night with a bucket of water scrubbing out red wine and mud from that couch," and that was a real bitchy statement. And I've got to tell you right now, you have to admit, Ben, that like, don't you think that like her fans of Brianna just probably are like done? Like I feel like she lost them all last night. Yeah, especially because we all know you don't get red wine out with water. Sorry. I mean, that's just basic knowledge Brianna. You're never going to keep a man with those sort of housekeeping skills. And I love that, didn't somebody ask her like, "Well, are you still living there?" Yeah, she is. Of course she is. And I like that Lydia stood up and was like, "Wait a second, okay? Like I respected when you said I don't want to talk about Ryan because he's overseas and stresses me." I was like, "I respected that." But then all of a sudden it's not okay, like you're allowed to talk about my mother. And then Brianna was like, "I wasn't saying it was your mother. I wasn't saying it was your mother." It was like, once again, it was returned to the Vicki school of like strict interpretation. Like there's no, you're not allowed to imply that it was anyone else, she didn't say it was your mother. Actually, it was more the lawyer wearing it. I'm sorry, it was the lawyer wearing it. No, you know, you're correct there. They all do, yeah. You're correct there because the sad thing for me is, I can't believe that I'm like saying the sad thing because we're talking about the housewives. What is wrong with me? I know. That's sad thing. What I'm getting at is when I was watching the show, I really just saw Brianna becoming Vicki and I always thought that she had her head on her shoulders screwed on properly, that she probably had enough influence from Don who I loved and from her brother who seems like a normal person to not go down Vicki's crazy path and she is clearly a product of living in that house with Vicki for so long. She's still there and I think that she sees Vicki's behavior now as acceptable. She doesn't approve of Vicki's relationship with Brooks, but everything else horrible about Vicki, Brianna has inherited. Absolutely. So let's talk about Brooks. They were talking about Brooks, Brianna was saying, talking about all the vile things that Brooks has said and Vicki was getting mad. Brooks makes a grand entrance that was like some, like, it reminded me of the Cosby show, so it just comes waltzing down the staircase out of nowhere. I know. And you want them to do like that routine that the Cosby family did where they're all like lip syncing? Yeah, I know. I want to see some sort of dance and, you know, get some music going on there. With some Rudy getting on. Let's get some tempest blood so up in the mix. Actually, that's another good reality show. Put the former cast members of the Cosby show, put them all in a house and see how they are now. See how they all exist. Except Eldon. He was so boring. Yeah, put him in there. You never know. You never know what might come out. He might be the craziest of all, and especially now that Raven Simone's a lesbian, that can make some for some real interesting things. I want them to cast Raven Simone on the real house of the Atlanta. That would be amazing. Is that where she's living these days? Who cares? Who cares? She's bliring down there. She's a Raven. She can fly on herself. I know. That's so Raven. So Raven. Yeah. So I love how Brooks had this entrance that was right out of an 80s sitcom, and he joins it. I thought it was very like Falcon Crest, like I'm going to saunter. I'm going to saunter down a staircase. It was a little Nurse Nan also, a Nurse Nan from Soap Dish, which I think we referenced last week. I love Soap Dish on this podcast. For those of you just tuning in right now, we love Soap Dish. Yeah. If ever you are like, "When is the next podcast going to be, just watch Soap Dish. It's pretty much the same thing." Yeah. So he had this big elegant entrance. All that was missing was a ball down, quite frankly. And then he's like, and Andy's like, "Oh, were you listening to all this?" He's like, "No, I wasn't listening at all." It's like, "Shut up, Brooks. You, of course, you're listening. What else would you be doing applying more just for men highlights to your hair?" He was probably texting some 19-year-old strippers and eating some crawfish. Yeah, who crawfish sounds so good right now. So anyway, he comes down and then he has this slick, politician-apology sort of thing, right? Where he's sort of like, "I just want to say that Brianna, you might have seen an email in 2007 that said that I told your mother that I loved her. And I understand that was very difficult for you to read." And Brianna's like, "No, that wasn't the problem at all." She's like, "The problem is that you left a nasty voicemail on my husband's phone." And Brooks is like, "There's nothing I've said that I'm not sorry for." And then she's like, "Well, what about saying that you want my husband to beat me?" He's like, "Well, I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for that." I mean, it's just like so slick and gross and awful. He is repulsive. The women, Vicki's cast member or cast mates on the show were repulsed. You could see Tamara like inching away from him on the couch. And they would just point the camera at Gretchen and at Heather, and they were shocked. And Lydia actually was so upset that she teared up and had to walk off the stage. Yeah. I don't understand, he kept on saying, "Well, that voicemail was taken out of context," or whatever. In what context is it acceptable, even drunk, to say, "You need to start beating your wife. That's what you need to start doing." I don't know how that works. I don't know how that works. Unless it's a really good joke, not a really good joke, but it's a really, you guys are just joking back and forth on the way we joke, but I don't think Brooks was doing that. No, I actually think that he, I don't know, he's just, he's the way we joke about how men should beat their lives. That's hilarious, right? Well, we've said a hell of a lot worse than that on this podcast. Feel free to go back to our 90s, 90 previous episodes, and you will hear lots of horrible things. Yeah. Exactly. Here's one of the other things. Brianna mentioned that this voicemail exists on Ryan's phone, and Vicki reminds me of a lot of many mothers out there who need to sweep things under the rugs when things get too real, and Vicki is still for the life of her. She's defending Brooks, and she's so concerned about him getting vilified on this show as if that hasn't been happening for the past two seasons. She won't listen to the voicemail because, and I think Heather made a good point, surprisingly, that it sounds like Vicki can't listen to that voicemail because then that will really have to solidify the need to remove Brooks from her life, and she's so pathetic that she needs a man in her life, she's probably not capable of getting rid of Brooks, even though he made such nasty claims and suggestions towards her own daughter, how could you choose anybody over your own flesh and blood? I don't understand, if I were dating someone and they said that about my daughter, you just can't do that. You absolutely cannot stand that relationship. He has such a scumbag, and you can see the hate in his eyes, I'm sorry, and you can see... He wanted to leave him over to the other couch and punch me on his face. Oh my goodness, oh, he was doing everything, to his credit he kept this cool because he knew he had to, but you could tell he wanted to yell, he wanted to tell all those women to get back into the kitchen, and he was more than happy to step out of that situation and be like, "Peace out, Vicki." Yeah, but instead of saying, "Peace out, Vicki," and Brianna, I want to punch you, he goes, "Yeah, I'm willing to let the love of my life go for the sake of their family." I can see he's some sort of hero. And he's not a hero, Ryan's not a hero, Brianna's not a hero, Vicki's not a hero, and to be honest with you, Brianna kept saying at the end of the episode that that's my mom, I still love her, I still support her if my mother chose a horrible boyfriend who suggested that I be beaten by my husband over me. If I were Brianna, I would not have a relationship with Vicki, and I understand that that would mean she'd have to move out of Koto Dukaza in a cushy lifestyle, but I'm sorry, I would rather eat ramen noodles and live in a shitty apartment than have a mother who disrespected me that openly and disgustingly. Yeah, you know, before this voicemail came around, I was one of many people, I think, who were like, "You know what, Brianna, like, Brooke sucks, but get over it. It's your mom's life, like, you have to, like, you have to lighten up. But then once you hear this voicemail, to hear what he had said about her, it changes everything. I mean, Brianna still has been ruined by Ryan. Don't get me wrong. Brianna is totally ruined and over and done, and now falls in the category with everyone else as being hopeless and dumb, but I'm on her side about the Brooks thing, that's for sure. And I actually agreed with Heather on another point, which was that, you know, she told Vicki, "You can fall in love with anyone, but you got to make sure that a person is appropriate for you," and obviously, Brooks is not, and it is shocking how Vicki comes to his defense and then doesn't understand that she hasn't broken her own cycle of, like, being with guys who treat her bad and she's an abusive situation. Okay, but here's the thing. I mean, again, we're not part of the inner workings of these relationships. It seems that she and Don had an open relationship, but Don, I don't think ever Don came across as like a horrible husband. I think that Don checked out because Vicki was a workaholic and all he wanted to do was go on vacation with Vicki, but she needed to sell insurance the entire time when clearly they could afford to go on vacation and just hang out. So I don't like her saying that I've had like all these bad men in my life. The thing is, for me, it's like she is a 51-year-old woman and she is so pathetic. And I just, I feel bad for her, but I'm also just like, when you're that pathetic, I don't even know, like, I don't even know what to do, Ben, I don't even know how to feel. I'm just like, it is just gross. Well, that's how you should feel gross because that's what these women really are. They're just gross. Gross old ladies doing awful things to themselves and their children. That's what it should be renamed. The real gross old ladies doing nasty things to themselves and their children of Orange County. That should be Vicki's opening line in the opening credits next season. I'm just a gross old woman who's horrible to myself and my children, but I'm still here. Yeah. I'm not only gross to myself, I'm gross to my children too. Do you think that, okay, well, now, I mean, did they say that we're going to get a lost footage episode next week or we're done? Yeah, we are. Okay, so we're going to get lost footage next week and we'll probably briefly touch on that, but OC, overall, how did you feel about the season? I still love these women. Great season. Great season. I've always loved OC to be honest. This season had that intangible it factor where you cared about everything. It was nice to see OC back, you know, hitting its stride again after a few seasons that were not so great. Do you think that we're giving OC a little bit more credit than we should just because Jersey is so awful right now or not? I feel like I would still be high on the OC horse regardless of the counter-programming or the other housewives. Absolutely. Absolutely. And by the way, before we move on to Miami, we have to also talk about actually one of my favorite moments of the episode, which is Vicki, through this all, she manages to have a beautifully past aggressive moment when she talks about, like, Slade. And she's like, you know, like, I understand Gretchen now, you know, the world just hates Slade. Everyone in the world just hates Slade so much. Get another diggin' on Gretchen, while you can. And she's like, well, I don't know if the whole world hates him and she's like, no, no, the world just hates him, just despises him, but you used to buy him, so that was really good. So by the way, Vicki is right too, by the way, everyone hates Slade. Yeah, but Gretchen is, I'm tired of Gretchen being the punching bag. Vicki is the worst. She just is the worst. Yeah. You know what I love about this show? Just when you think you know who the worst is, it always changes. They flip the script. Do you think that Vicki will be back next season? I love that she gets-- Of course. She's like, I'm done, I'm done, I'm done, but I think that Vicki at the end of the day is obsessed with the fact that she is the first housewife and the lasting housewife from the first franchise, and I don't think she's ever gonna let that go. No. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Plus, she's got to sell a bunch of those bloody piggies, so we're gonna be seeing a lot of Vicki next year with a lot of bloody piggy swag all over her shirts and stuff, sort of like the BLK brand. How do we move on to Miami? Yeah, let's talk Miami because I really don't know. There's nothing I want to say about Jersey except that it's so-- Yeah. Well, we'll talk about Jersey after Miami, but so Miami was another good episode. I mean, Miami is so much better than people realize it's such a good-- I know you guys, if you're listening to our podcast right now or watching this video cast, please start paying attention to Miami if you're not paying attention. The ratings are not great. I am already concerned about a fourth season here, but this show is fun. The characters are great, and it's so much better than Jersey that pulls in more than double the ratings. I don't understand why you'd pick Jersey over Miami. I don't know. I don't get it. Yeah, I think, actually, Bravo should have cast a new character this season. It should have been like a real, real Latino girl. They need to get that Latino audience in there, you know, to boost the ratings. Like that girl, Melissa from Real World Miami? Yeah, exactly. That would have been perfect. That fought with Dan and opened that envelope, and then Dan got so mad, and then it was like to break out. Then he masturbated in the theater. Yeah, and then he masturbated in the theater, and then there was Flora, and she was big like hooker, and then there was Sarah, that lesbian on the skateboard. Oh, what about Yvette from Big Brother Season 6? She lives in Miami. Pretty much-- Pretty much. I mean, Bo made it on last season, well, I couldn't have made it on there, also. Very good point. Or Gloria Stefan. Oh, obviously, now why don't they cast Gloria Stefan? What's wrong with Bravo? Don't they realize they got the perfect house? I'm just sitting there. She's not doing anything. The rhythm has gotten her, okay? And she needs to be saved by the-- save from the rhythm. Cheers to fall at Whole Foods Market with sales through October 29th. Select frozen pizzas are 50% off with prime, so stock up and be ready for game day. Hosting a cozy dinner? Use a sale on hearty no antibiotics ever beef-chuck roast and stew meat. Or be the best guest ever, and bring specialty cheese like Humboldt Fog. Cheers to fall at Whole Foods Market. My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big ro-az-man, then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend. My friends still laugh at me to this day. Not everyone gets B2B, but with LinkedIn, you'll be able to reach people who do. Get a $100 credit on your next ad campaign. Go to linkedin.com/results to claim your credit. That's linkedin.com/results. Terms and conditions apply. Linked in, the place to be. To be. I would-- you know what? You know how quickly I would call her? One, two, three, four-- come on, baby. Get her. Tell her that you love her. Whatever. I'm mixing up my one, two, three, four songs. So we started up again with the Adriana and Leah fight. That was essentially the entire episode, and I feel like that's actually going to be the entire season. Yes. We started there? Yes. How do I feel? How did you feel that Leah was coming off this episode? Do you think it was-- she was still coming off better than Adriana? You know, I was wavering there a little bit towards the end of the episode. Here's the thing. Clearly, they were good friends, and I understand that Leah felt stabbed in the back, but at a certain point, you have to let it go. Like Adriana has made a lot of mistakes in her life, and she's probably horrible. I mean, they're probably all horrible, even though we know in real life Leah is awesome. But you know, maybe Leah just needs to be a little bit okay with it and realize, okay, fine, she's not going to be my best friend, but I can afford to have helped her in the past. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I just want to say this. In a weird way, I kind of understand a little bit of what Adriana is saying. Yes, there is the paperwork, but she didn't have the wedding. Yes. Okay. I mean, I understood-- I feel like Adriana came off like a little better this episode, or it's not so much that Adriana came off a little bit better, it's more like Leah came off a little worse. Yes. Or part of the episode, you know, because you do start-- you know, they start saying things like, you know, with Leah, you know, they just were trashing her a little bit, you know? But then, towards the end of the episode, the producers were like, now that we've started to make you doubt Leah a little bit, let's just like turn it around and remind you why Leah is actually 100% in the right. Right. And we'll pull out the documents. Yeah. They did an amazing montage starting from season one all the way through the past season of moments when Leah was talking to Adriana about like, "Oh, when are you gonna marry?" You know, like, "How long does Adriana gonna last?" You know? And Adriana was like, "Ha ha. Well, we have to do this. We have to go find this. And you realize that Adriana-- I'm sorry, Adriana is full on lying. She's married. She went to the courthouse twice, wants to get the license, wants to get it notarized. And as I say every week, I'm sure she clicked the box on her tax returns. She was married. She may not have felt married, but you can't-- how do you have your best friend say these things about like, "What do you want to be?" Aged. And not say things like, "Well, we're totally married, but we just want to wait to get the--" I think the answer is, when you are crazy and you are a liar, you become a crazy liar who ends up believing your own crazy lies, it's snowballs, and the untruths become truths. Exactly. And Adriana only-- all of that interaction with Leah, she only hears certain things. And then she reports back to her women and says, "Well, Leah, she says, I did all this for you. I did all this for you. I did like-- you're not up to my standards." And then the women just think that's what happened. But when you look at the tape, it actually was not like that at all. Leah was like, "Listen, I want to know what's up because I paid-- I paid for this or I got this money together for you." And it was under the pretense that you were single and struggling when in fact you were married and you had someone who could have been a financial backer for you. I mean, I'm by no means like a huge Mary Saul fan, but I do think that out of this group of women, in addition to Leah, she's somebody who probably does have some common sense and business sense. And for the life of me, I know that she has bad blood and bad history with Leah. But I don't like to see her aligning herself with Adriana, who is clearly a crazy liar. Like Mary Saul should know better even though she doesn't like Leah. I agree 100%. And as far as Alexia, I'm still-- my opinion on Alexia has been in flux for a while. The first season, she was like, "The nice-- she was just nice." And then the second season, she was crazy and attacking Karen Sierra all the time. And this season, I'm starting to think, "You know what? I don't know about this Alexia. I think she might not be that bright." And just the proof is in the pudding. Look at her older son. I'm sorry. I know they went through a trauma of poor Frankie and his accident. But that kid-- that kid is a fuck up. I'm sorry, Peter. Peter, the older son, is a total fuck up. And I don't think it's purely because of the trauma. And season one, he was a fuck up. Maybe part of it is because his dad is a drug lord who went to jail for four years. That could have been part of it. But I don't know. I question some of Alexia's judgments. Yeah. When you bring a drug lord into the mix, I think that that can-- the lines get a little blurry. Yeah. And also, oh my goodness, that song-- we've heard a lot of bad songs come out of this real housewives world on Bravo. But Peter's rap song owed to his brother. Not good. What do you think Daniel Stobbs' daughter would have to say about that? You know, that's a great question. Because clearly, that little girl who would be like, "We are sisters." Well, she'll be more like, "We are brothers." And we're back to the end. We are brothers. Happy, your friend. We are brothers. We are brothers. We are brothers. We are brothers. A little flourish for you guys. That was-- That was beautiful. You didn't bring it to your track. It's much better than Peter's song. Well, yeah. But really, what isn't? So Miley Cyrus at the VMAs was better than that. Yeah. At least Miley Cyrus does not have a big musical note tattooed on her tricep. She has a lot of bad tattoos, but she does not have that. She does not have that. And/or her mother's name fully spelled out with the bouquet of roses, which she believes is unconsciously a reference to his last name, Rosario of the roses. I don't know. There's a lot of weird things going on with that family. I don't know if there could be results any time soon. No, but I think that you made a good point there. I think that the-- I don't know, we want to like her, but she's not doing us any favors. She's not doing herself any favors by trying to get us on board with her crazy dumb-ass kid and the way that she's backing up the wrong people, I think, the people that are in the wrongness season. I want to like her and I feel bad for her, but she's not doing it the right way. Why did she build her son, a recording studio? That really bothered me because her son is acting out like he punched a homeless guy in the nuts and put it on YouTube. He's an idiot. So now he announces that he wants to be a musician, so she builds him a recording studio. This is why he-- This is why he's messed up. He's a spoiled brat. I mean, remember he was going out like until four in the morning on the clubs when he was still in high school? I mean, this is the problem here, Alexia. This is someone who needs to be reigned in and if he wants to record music, he should do what everyone else does, which is start in your garage or whatever or do something in your laptop or go to a recording studio, but don't have one built for you because you know, in six months, he's going to be moving on to something else, like selling puka shells on the boardwalk. I kind of want to do that. I know. He's living the life. Let me tell you something. I'm purely jealous of this kid, Peter, okay? And I'm also furious because he's so hot and he's gone just like-- he's just thrown it all away. He's just gotten chubby and grown, stupid hair and getting bad tattoos. It makes me furious. He had it all. He had it all. Except for brains. Except for brains, but what's your take on these divisions? Let's talk about this and how we're barely into this season, but it's clearly like this team of girls versus this team of girls. You know, honestly, I really am team Leah because it's not just because we've met her or talked with her. I think she's in the right. I think she has a right to be annoyed. And she said, look, if Asia came to me and said, look, this is what happened. I was in this day. This is what it was. And she would have been fine. But the fact that Adriana came in and went on the defense slash the attack, I see why Leah's frustrated because Adriana then is going and talking a lot of shit about Leah. And I think I also don't trust Marisol and Alexia. I feel like they gossip about stuff they don't know about. I hear you. I mean, Joanna sucks too. She really does suck, but I don't know, she doesn't seem to be as sucky this year. So then what's your take? You mentioned everybody, but Lisa Hoxstein. So what's your take on Lisa? You know, Lisa served like a non-entity, a non-entity with boobs, okay? She just sort of floats around. She's she's she's a quote unquote peacemaker. That could not have been more of a producer set up. I know, right? She invites both sets of women to the same place and doesn't tell them. Of course, the producers were told to do that. I mean, it's so obvious. She's like, whatever. I still don't understand why she she needs to she needs to eat more. She needs to eat more. Sorry. Are you body shaming her? Just like slavery. Body shaming here. I'm telling her to eat a cheeseburger. And maybe if she did that, she could have a baby. Sorry. That's my like old Jewish grandmother medical wisdom for you right there. Eat the hamburger, eat the hamburger, and then you'll have a baby. That was a terrible accident. I'm sorry. Is that why I'm not pregnant because I'm a vegetarian? I think so. I think that's probably why. Hm. Note to self. Maybe maybe maybe I should work on that. Yeah, I think you should. Yeah, at Lisa and also her whole thing with her conversation with Lenny when she's like, I can't sleep. Like, you can't sleep because as a cameraman at the foot of your bed, that's why you can't sleep. Don't act like that. And you're also can't sleep because the person lying in the bed next to you looks like a disfigured wax melted human being. You know what? Listen, maybe if she had a hamburger, she would sleep. Has she ever heard of food coma? Just eat a hamburger and you'll sleep through everything, including your own pregnancy. God hamburgers would make her life so much better. Let me tell you something, hamburgers can fix a lot of things, okay? A lot. A lot of things. If Adrian is hamburgers, maybe if Leah had given Adrian a hamburger, she would have disarmed her and they could have had a more pleasant conversation. That's where Leah went wrong. She did not offer a hamburger. Yeah. Matt is not on board with this. I don't know. I'm a vegetarian. The more I think about it, the more I think that if this is going to be what the entire season is about, maybe we shouldn't be telling people to tune into Miami because now that I'm really reflecting back on this past episode, I'm like, I'm kind of over the storyline in this division with the women, I want to see them interacting more. I don't want to see a group of three versus a group of three the entire time. I need them all to get together and clearly, we're going to get plenty of times where they bring them together for parties, but I don't know, Ben, I just- No, no, I like it. I like this, Rylan. I feel like, you know what? I like about it. It's a feud that feels organic. This is like a real fight. We know for a fact, this is a real issue between these two women. When there's a real issue like that, that separates two women, that usually makes a great through line for a season, as opposed to like, oh, you stole my donkey booty video idea. That's not like a real through line. That was a fabricated through line. Where do you see the rest of the season going? This is clearly, in my opinion, going to be something that lasts until the bitter end. This could even go into next season if they have one, but what else do you want from this season? I mean, I really want, as much as I hate Joanna, I want to see more fighting with her involved. I want to see Joanna get drunk. I want to see less of her being aroused by Maria Sharapova's grunts. She needs more alcohol in her system to make the season better. I'm just going to say it. I prefer her when she is a dangerous alcoholic. We need to see more people getting thrown into pools. We need to see more slapping. We need to see Romaine lettuce shirtless. What about Mr. Kramer? Thomas Kramer. Well, we obviously need to see Thomas Kramer. By the way, did you see the ghost in my apartment is backed? My door just opened up on its own. Did you see that? Do you need to check behind it to make sure that you're not the secret star of Insidious 3 and you don't know it? That would be a terrible term of events for this podcast. I'm possessed, guys. Terrible. Terrible. That's where Ronnie went. I was possessed and I killed him. By the way, Paula Jones on Facebook says, "Ben is mixing up his songs. This is why we need Ronnie." Paula, you've never spoken true words. Emi McAdams. Paula. Paula will just tell you like it is. Yeah, she'll tell you like it is. She tells it. She's like our only a black. How fun is that? Emi McAdams Brabano says, "I was bitching about Miami after the first episode, but I'm satisfied now. I hate how they are forcing a nice group on me, but I can tell it's a ticking time mom and I love it." I agree with her. Krupa is so crazy that she's going to be able to hide that under 40 pounds of makeup for only a few more weeks. The beast is within and it's not going to be able to be held back. Yes. Paula Jones also says Alexis' husband was Scarface, so that's fun to know and apparently there's something going on with Katherine Edmond's husband and Lisa Pierce is calling for a divorce. So, there's some side drama is happening on Facebook page. What? What are you talking about? I don't think it's a true call for divorce, but it's very fascinating. It's much more interesting than what's going on in New Jersey these days, that's for sure. Okay. Do you have anything else to say about Miami before we move on to Jersey? No, I don't have anything. Let's talk about it. Well, I want to know what you think about Mama Elsa. Well I think it's very sad. I mean, I hope that she has a recovery because she actually usually has a really good perspective on things. Certainly, but she actually does seem to be aware of things. There is some wisdom hiding behind that mask of flesh. There certainly is. There certainly is under that baseball net. So let's go to speaking of places full of wisdom. Let's go to New Jersey and they are tripped to Arizona. Glamorous, because those people are not allowed to leave the country anymore after the chaos that they start up in the Dominican Republic a few years ago. Goodness, I think one of my favorite images from this week's episode was them arriving in whatever airport it was in Arizona and Joe Judas stepping out of the airport in a velour jumpsuit with a white with a white white beater underneath. I mean, you could not have looked any more like an Italian burrito than you did at that moment slash mafioso. He's repulsive and I only expect him. I think that that's actually his uniform. It's either that or like an ugly bathing suit with him shirtless. So I will gladly take him in a white beater and a velour track suit over him shirtless at the beach. Yes. Question, what type of vacation does Caroline Manzo actually like? Because every single year she complains, they go to Italy on a beautiful cruise liner and there's walking. This is not my type of vacation. They go to Dominican Republic. This is not my type of vacation. They go camping. This is not my type of vacation. Now they're in beautiful Arizona. This is not my type of vacation. What the hell is wrong with this woman? Is it just going to be an egg salad factory to have a good time? Is it just dawning on you that she is a miserable, miserable woman with zero? She has nothing left in her heart except love for her dumb children and her husband hates her and really her siblings hate her, her friends hate her. I mean, why does she even bother to leave her house? She should just lock herself in her house and play through the ham with herself because her family loves to throw ham on each other. Yes. I think her version of a good vacation is walking three feet down the hall to her son's apartment and saying hello. She's like, now this is a vacation. Now this is scenery right here. These two boys, not so much Lauren, but these two boys right here. This is scenery. This is better than any Grand Canyon. Yes, she sucks. I mean, I've hated her since last season and nothing is going to turn that ship around. So the gang, they all go to this new age spa in the middle of the Arizona wilderness where they are immediately loud and obnoxious and offending all the hippies. Melissa comes down with... Do you think that those hippies were paid to be there, like are those extras and production assistants in the background? No, I'm going to say no because let me tell you something. Eleven years ago, I went to the, what's the name of that? Like that crazy... The BioDome. I went to the BioDome. I took a tour of the BioDome. You know what? The BioDome. Are you a Scientologist? You know, if I was going to be one, the BioDome turned me the other way. But I'm not sure that our tour guide was not a Scientologist or something else. We went on this tour and we had this tour guide who was really wonderful. And afterwards, we said, "Well, thanks for giving this tour of the BioDome and everything." And she's like, "It's great. Thank you." And she's like, "You know, and I really believe that, you know, we're approaching the age of Aquarius. And at that point, our souls will leave our body and go up to space and it'll be a wonderful time." I was just like, "Huh?" I just sort of quietly backed away from the BioDome and I realized people like that live in Arizona and it's true. So everything you saw at this resort, I believe. So, you pretty much just talked a lot of shit about Arizona right then. Or at least the BioDome, which is in Arizona for those of you who don't know. The only BioDome that we care about stars Polishore. Yeah, about to say, for those of you who are not up on your mid-90s nature experiments, the BioDome was a project that was built in Arizona. So anyway... I don't know. Wait a minute. Melissa gets sick. Melissa gets sick. She has a sore throat, which sucks, but she is not sick enough to be able to... It's probably because she's been guzzling too much of her husband. Yeah. Too much of Tarzan. But she certainly is well enough to once again suggest that Teresa's behind all these rumors about her being stripper, which I mean, she's right, but shut up already. You're trying to be healing, you know? So I don't know. So a medium comes in and reads them in at first, they're all laughing, but then Richie starts to cry. And that was actually... Don't say that. I thought it was a nice moment when Richie was crying. It was the first time we've seen him be emotional like that. I thought it was actually very nice. For him to say, to talk about his father who died 10 years ago, he'd spent 15 years every day with him, and that it was so hard for him that he's not able to watch his wedding video for the past 10 years, I thought that was actually a very true moment. That's a poignant moment, but that doesn't excuse him from being addicted to caffeine. Yeah, from being disgusting in an asshole to his wife. Yeah. I loved... I loved Rosie's... Whatever Rosie's like, "My father, with the gentlest angel you ever met, he was the most gentle angel you ever met." She... I mean, I don't seem to know how to describe her. I mean, Bull in a China shop doesn't do it justice, but that woman is a man. Bull type in a China shop. I feel bad for Cathy because the medium said something very generic, which was like, "One of you people, someone says they hear you." And then Cathy's like, "Oh, that must be my father." Because he never responded on his death, though, but I told him this and this, and he never responded. He didn't respond the way I wanted to. But now I realize, he hears me. I'm like, "Okay, Cathy, you just pretty much brought everything to that psychic reading." Yeah. Like, you will be conned by every psychic from here on out. Well, did you believe, like, the psychic was legit, or was the psychic, like, sitting in the back room, like, watching the bravo DVDs before? I know. They all walked in. She's like, "Uh, I'm getting a sense that two of you have a fight. One of you once flipped over a table and called someone a prostusion whore, I don't know where I got that sense from. I don't know. I don't know where that came to me from. I feel like being a psychic for a reality star who's had four seasons under their belt is a really easy job. Yeah. I think that that is the dream gig if you get paid well because you really don't have to do any research, but watch TV. Yeah, exactly. So then after the psychic, then they went and they took a hike, and they looked at cacti, and then they got to a little place where a woman with, like, a Bunsen burner had them burn up pieces of paper that had, like, emotions on them where they said, "I am giving up worry and doubt and fear." But not stripping. But not stripping. Not stripping. Never. And I'm surprised the first thing they didn't give up was their dignity, but then again, they probably give that up a long time ago. I was going to say, shame and dignity left us years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Those were lost in Hurricane Sandy, if they even were still there. Those were washed away with the Jersey Shore, often to the Atlantic. So I don't know, so there was some crying, and then Jacqueline and Teresa hugged, and everything seemed OK. And then Teresa said that she didn't want to have bad, you know, she wanted to make things better. She didn't want to have bad karma, because if you have bad karma, it's going to come back to get either you or your children. And then Jacqueline's like, "What does she mean by that?" I didn't think it was a dig. I actually did not think it was a dig, I think. It wasn't. I don't think it was a dig. I think that Jacqueline, you know, she's incredibly sensitive, and I get that she's incredibly sensitive right now, but I actually, for the first time, don't believe that Teresa was trying to jab at her. But that's the first time and the only time. Yeah. And by the way, I just want to say that on Facebook, then that's amazing. What are they saying? What are they saying? She says, "I love this show, but I couldn't watch it without hearing Ronnie talk about their slightly wide set faces." The hair lines in the faces were really bad this week. Yeah. Yeah. So that's basically New Jersey in a nutshell. What about-- Even though we got to talk about Teresa and Joe here for a second, I think somebody posted this on Facebook, actually-- who posted that? Oh, yeah, Derek posted this. Oh, wait. By the way, that comment that I read, I was reading from the wrong thread. That comment was about Below Deck, but it sort of seemed to apply to all the Bravo shows. Yeah, it actually does. They all have wide faces. They really do on Below Deck, though. But Derek made a point on the Facebook page, which I do believe is true, and you know how cyclical these shows are and the villains and the heroes, and not that there's really ever a hero on any Bravo show, but-- We don't need another hero. We don't. Cue the music. But it's Juicy Joe getting a favorable edit by Bravo this season because Derek believes it, and I kind of believe it, too, now that I think about it. Derek Hazelson? Yeah, I mean-- Or Derek Hazelson? They're kind of letting him get away with being a bit of a funny goofball, to soften up the below. I mean, I don't know. I think he is getting a slightly more favorable edit because he hasn't called his wife a cunt yet behind her back. Or on camera. Or on camera. I think actually, they're trying to bring some different dimensions to his character. But all you have to do is look at him in that Velour tracks you to realize that Joji does. It's just Joji does. And you just have to take him in and all his glory, and that's the man right there. Yeah, there's a big old Jell-O-Mold of a man. Yeah, there's no real dimension when you have the shape of a ball. Yeah. There's no real dimension. There's a lot of texture, and it all feels like crushed velvet. He's very soft and he can do a mean high kick. That's for sure. Oddly flexible. Oddly flexible. Oddly flexible. Oddly flexible. He's like the Kool-Aid. He's like the Kool-Aid guy. You know, I'm surprised he doesn't burst through more walls. I'm sure he does in that house about now. That's how actually he demolishes homes. He just runs through the Kool-Aid guy. That's his construction business. What's the Kool-Aid guy? Yeah. This is named Joe Kool-Aid. Is that the name of the Kool-Aid? What's the name of the Kool-Aid picture? You know the guy. Kool-Aid guy. By the way, and what a rude mascot. Okay. Crashing through someone's drywall. Who's going to fix that? Dan Connor. Dan, Dan, the drywall man. Dan Connor. Yeah, okay. There's a lot of pop culture going on right here in this circle. I know. The circle pop culture happening. If you guys aren't up to par on your Roseanne trivia, you suck. If you're not up to par with your Roseanne or your Roseanne or your Kool-Aid trivia, then this is all lost on you and I'm sorry to say that. Imagine Dan Connor is the Kool-Aid guy and Joe Judas all trapped in the biodome together. Now, that's a show I would watch. I am team John Goodman. I'm team biodome and fat people. Fat people and biodomes. That's what I want. I want them to eat each other in the biodome. Next. Next theme about eating, why don't we talk about eat, drink, love. Ben, I feel like a lot of times on this podcast, we get into a new show and I'm always there going, "Oh, you guys, this is a piece of shit, but I love it, please start watching." And you guys are always hesitating and before you know, we are all obsessed with gallery girls or below deck or band or pump rules or-- Wait a second. Wait a second. I think Ronnie and I were obsessed with gallery girls. You know why? Actually, you never resisted gallery girls. Ronnie and I-- I never, I never put up a fight. You never did. What happened was Ronnie and I washed it together, I think. You were supposed to come over and then you didn't come over. There was something happening. Ronnie and I washed it together and we were like, "Oh, Matt." And you cheated on me. You cheated on me like Vicki and Dom. And then I left a hostile voicemail and said that someone should beat you up. I said beat you up. And by the way, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for that, Matt. I'm sorry. I was drunk. I'm in to it. I'm totally in to it. Yeah, I can tell. I can sort of tell. Curls clutching. Curls clutching. So go on with your bad self about your band. Look, I didn't think that I was even going to watch Eat Drink Club. I thought it was going to be one of those shows where we'd get on the post. When we'd get on the podcast and you and Ronnie would talk about it and I would pretend to have washed it and then just like faked my way through the entire thing. But I really like it. I like it because I hate everybody. Yeah. You know, I love shows that we get on. Isn't that the key to success for Bravo? If you get me to hate everybody, I'm not talking about like a reality competition show like Top Chef because that's just like a little bit classy and an Emmy award winner. But I'm talking about like the rest of the crap on the show or on this channel. It's kind of like if I hate the cast, I'm in. Oh, absolutely. I love a good, hateable cast, but they've got to be the right type of hate. They've got to be the sort of hate you can sort of get behind. Right. Like Stossie. Like hatred for Stossie is epic, which makes for an amazing television show. So yeah, I'm on board with this show. I thought this episode was actually one, the weakest one so far. We had Wailin. Which is not, which is not saying a lot, but okay. Not saying a lot. Wailin. You know, here's the thing with Wailin. I go back and forth. She's beautiful, I think, first of all. I think she's gorgeous too. She's gorgeous. She seems bright. But she has a little bit of this Sarah Jessica Parker-ness about it. That's annoying. Yeah. She's Sarah Jessica Parker meets Kelly Wurstler. I don't know if anybody's here with Kelly Wurstler, but they kind of are judged on top design season one of former Bravo, Jim. See, where is Ronnie? I'm sure this would all fly over his head. But hopefully Bravo, Fananix understand the Kelly Wurstler reference. But Kelly Wurstler meets Sarah Jessica Parker with kind of- It's Kate Hudson. Yeah, and the annoying bits of Kate Hudson. There's something about her that's very rom-com-y in the worst way. First of all, I can't stand how her laughing and her crying is almost indistinguishable. You can't really tell what she's doing at any given time. She just sort of has this flirty, not really aloofness, but she's a little too cool for school. She's like, "Well, I'm like, do I break my No Chef rule? Maybe I will. I don't know. All these guys keep on coming over here." And she pulls out her wedding dress. By the way, that wedding dress. Hidious. I'm sorry. Okay, I am not one of these gays who knows his wedding dresses. I think almost all wedding dresses look nice. That one was bad. She should not be crying over that thing. She should be returning it to the David's bridal where she found it. That is being rude to David's bridal or David's bridal or whatever it's called. It just looked really cheap. It had weird panels in the torso area, in the mid-riff. It looked like it was trying to be sort of edgy, but it wasn't. It just looked terrible. And I say, "Wailin, I say it's a good thing you didn't have to use that wedding dress because it would have looked wrong. And you should get one that fits you because you're a beautiful woman that's appropriate for you. You're with the brooks of wedding dresses and you need something. You need the George. I would have liked to see Chanel from Princesses try it on because she never met a wedding dress. She didn't love to try on. Oh, yeah. She didn't go down to like, there's like an echo park that's like this store that sells real cheap wedding dresses that are born on Kinseniera dresses and perhaps interchangeable. And Chanel would be like, "This is beautiful. I want to put this on right now." Her gosh, Chanel found her wedding dress. I've done that in just silence, by the way. I love a Kinseniera dress. That's all I say. There should be a Bravo reality show called Kinseniera Dresses. Yeah. There should be a Bravo show about someone who harvests Kinses and has a daughter who's going through Kinseniera because her name could be Sarah. Kins for Sarah's Kinseniera. That sounds like a really bad lifetime show starring Sarah Roo. Oh, well, you know, she is just supposed to be the best, according to Heather. The best. So I would watch, by the way, any show that has to do with the Kinseniera on Bravo because you know it'd be hilarious. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm here. Wait, Bueller's about here, but Bueller, yes. But we are barely here. So this is, by the way, our short podcast is, "We're Doing Great With Our Time." Great. So each drink love. So Whalen is Whalen. Brenda is so incredible. Wait, wait. Have you had a phone note? Do you have a phone note? Yes. Yes, I have. So what's your take on donut? Okay. Mary fuck kill, donut, phone, not cronut. Mary donut, fuck, cronut, kill, phone, not. By the way, I'm not going to lie. I think that's the funniest thing I've ever said. Good for you, Matt. I would have to say, I don't see like, I mean, I marry a donut because donuts are just a classic. They're great. They're so great. Cronut, I had one recently. It was delicious. I loved it, but I didn't see the-- One and done. One and done. One and done. I only need to have one. Phone note I had, and I thought it was truly nothing special. I wouldn't kick it out of bed necessarily, but if I had to kill one of them, it would have to be phone up. I love that you committed to your answers there. I really do appreciate that. Oh, I have a very, very strong opinions about the phone note. Very strong. But it's solidly okay, which is not a good thing. It's just like the show itself. So then we have, so let's see, the little girl, Jess, she did nothing, right? She did nothing this episode. Well, Brenda-- Did I even ask you, have you ever eaten at Fuku Burger? I haven't, but I once went to an event where Fuku Burger catered, and then they gave these like little sliders, and they were not-- they're only okay, but I would-- I don't judge the restaurant that. Bad catering. Where is Fuku Burger in L.A.? I feel like I've seen the phone. It's on Ko-Wenga. So is it right on Ko-Wenga, like near the Arklight and between Stout, but that's also where Umami Burger is, right? It's between-- It's up the street. No. It's up the street. It's in between Selma and Hollywood. I would totally go in there. Is that like up from-- is that like right near like Velvet Margarita? Yeah. It's right there. Um, so-- Umami-- Umami Burger and Stout are both like within spitting distance. So how many-- you know, it's kind of like a stupid L.A. a few years ago, it was like everybody has to open up a cupcake shop, and everybody has to put tuna tartar on their appetizer menu, and it's now like there are too many burger places in Los Angeles. There are-- but you know what though? I actually welcome it. I feel like a burger place is more useful than a cupcake place, because a burger place you can get a full meal, and like there are times you just really want a burger. And I'm sorry, by the way, I do not-- I'm not on board with Mommy necessarily. I think-- I think your mommy sucks. I think your mommy is good. I don't think it's great. I would never wait in line for Mommy. I feel like it's too rich. I always leave feeling a little sick. Stout burger is probably my favorite, actually. Really? Stout is delicious. And everyone should go to Stout. If they're in that area, go to Stout, although I haven't been to Fuku burger. I don't-- I don't-- I don't eat meat, so I just judge these places on their french fries. So-- Stout has good veggie burgers, by the way. And so anyway, let's see. So there's nothing-- Brenda-- OK, so Brenda is still pining after the former fatty top chef guy, Chris Carrey, who-- Is he worthy of lusting after? I don't think so. I don't think so. I think he feels much better. I think he feels much better. Wait, wait, wait. Do you like Brenda? Because some people want her. I do. Facebook page really like Brenda, and I see her as kind of put that there. I do like her. I feel like I would have a hard time being friends with her, because she's a little bit she, like, when she went to the show and tell a thing. I was like, did you notice that everything here is cold? Well, how about you bring a fucking hot thing, then, Brenda, OK? Like, just be happy they were getting free food from a private chef, OK? Slash, you just said that you like her. I know. Well, I'm saying I don't like her attitude. I have a hard time being friends with her. But as a character on the show, I actually like her. Because I do feel like she kind of speaks the truth. She is a little too bitter, though. She needs to change that. Although-- She needs to get laid. She needs to get laid. She needs to let go. She does. She needs to let Chris go, realize that's not happening, and go get it on with somebody else. But you know what, though? So my friend, Whitney, is-- Houston? Whitney Houston. My friend, Whitney Houston, has a message from the grave. She says, don't be mean, don't be mean to Brenda. No, my friend, Whitney, is the one who was Brenda's friend, who they had that whole conversation scene. And Whitney is like a mensch. She's great. We really like Whitney. So I kind of-- I feel like I also trust her judgment. I haven't actually spoken to Whitney about how Brenda is as a person. But I feel like Whitney, if Whitney's down with Brenda, I could be down with Brenda too. I'm still not sold on Brenda. I'm certainly sold with her over Nina. By the way, that show until-- I'm sorry. It was ridiculous. That-- I hate stuff like that. Would you ever go to a show until I like that, and what would you show? No, I would not go to that. Okay, good. What would you show? My penis. What did you think about Cat? She shared like a little book, and everyone was like, oh, so boring, so stupid. And I'm like, I thought it was fine. She gave her a little book. What else are you supposed to bring? You're supposed to bring like a piece of art. She's supposed to bring him a cheese in there. She's supposed to bring some lutties for her eyebrows. It's for eyelashes, not eyebrows. Sorry. Right now, Brooke Shields and Claire Danes are shaking their head. They're clutching their pearls with their beautiful eyelashes. I hate Cat, dude. I hate her. She's pretty bad. She's pretty awful. Pretty awful. What about this mixologist that's suddenly coming into the mix here? I don't know if I'm intended. By the way, Derek Hadleton says, Brenda is sarcastic. Love her. I don't know that Derek sounds like that, but... Well, I gave him that voice. And Emi says, please tell me there is a homeless person at the cupcake stand by your house. Then tell me about the LMAO, Matt's hobo who stalked him for his pinkberry. There are homeless people everywhere. There's a homeless person like in the other room. In that bathroom, there's a homeless person. This city's just crawling with homeless people. There's a homeless ghost that just opened the door behind Ben. This ghost is like, I have no house to haunt. Get out of this house. This is in your house to haunt, to go haunt that shelter. You know, all the homeless people in L.A., this is going to sound awful, but if I were a homeless person in L.A., I would totally be homeless on Little Santa Monica Boulevard. And I know that we're driving just crazy right now on Facebook. She's like, you guys sound like the Californians, but if I were going to be homeless, I'd be homeless on Little Santa Monica Boulevard, right by Sprinkles Cupcakes, where they have a Sprinkles Cupcakes vending machine outside. That is the place to get it hooked up, homeless people, for all those homeless people that are listening to this podcast right now, I'm telling you, Little Santa Monica Boulevard outside of Sprinkles, be there. If you were a homeless person outside of there, I would give you a free cupcake. I would even let you pick the flavor unless you picked Red Velvet, because I think Red Velvet's gross and nobody should eat it. Not even starving people. We cannot continue this podcast any further if you are going to say, if you are going to say such nasty, insensitive, mean things about the Red Velvet flavor, I don't know if I can continue with this, because you are basically saying you're an American. You are basically saying you're an alcada by saying you don't like Red Velvet. I refuse. And I'm sure that Brenda would not approve. I'm sure that Kat would not approve, I'm sure Derek Hadleton would not approve, I'm sure that. But I mean, Barbana would not approve, but I mean, could you please tell us, is it Barbana or Barbano? I can't, every single week, I have to do this. Tell me. And Emi says, I knew Ben was going to say his penis, she's a smart one, she's a smart one that Emi. She is, she is. Um, is there anything left to say about Emi? Can we talk about Emi some more? Um, each drink love, I think probably, we'll keep talking about it for a second while I look up the ratings, because that will determine if the show is moving to Thursday nights. Oh, let's talk about that. That's not normally a good thing. Yeah, whenever, you know, that's strange to me that's going out to Thursday, because there's nothing else that's going to be on Thursday, is there? What night does it normally are on Sunday after Jersey, which is a very strange pairing. If this is a wine pairing, that's like, putting, giving a glass of red wine with a McDonald's cheeseburger, which by the way, as a meal, I would totally enjoy. Um, did you see that photo of Beyonce the other day? She likes to eat in and out burger while drinking champagne. Good for her. Good for her. Good for her. I like, I like, I like anything with champagne. I love me some fast food. Okay, I'm looking at the ratings right now. Jersey pulled in 2.38 million viewers on Sunday night, and I'm still scrolling down, and I'm still scrolling down, and I'm seriously still scrolling down. All right, well, I'm not going to- Oh my God, Ben. It's a terrible. 0.5 million viewers. Whoa. And it aired right after the Real Housewives of New Jersey, and Jersey pulled in 2.4 million viewers. Guess what? Eat, drink, love. We can enjoy it for the next few weeks, but it is getting less ratings than misadvised and gal girls and princesses both did 700,000, but this is D.O.A. Well, first of all, Bravo, they're idiots because they should have paired this with Top Chef Masters. Okay. Like, that's the audience. I think they're trying to go for Katie, but these are- Yeah, but why not put it with Top Chef? Like, you know- Yeah. Because these women, the tone of the show is sort of like urban-sophisticated. You can't put that after New Jersey- Jersey, what are they thinking? It's like, you know what, like, when you put marriage medicine after Atlanta, guess what? It's a natural hit. Perfect. When you put Vanderpump Rules after Beverly Hills, natural fit. Long Island princesses after- Princess Long Island after Jersey should have been a natural fit, but, you know, it wasn't quite as natural. But Ashley was so disgusting that people smashed their television sets, and I don't blame them. Exactly. But this show, it's not long of this world, and it's not nearly as good as gallery girls. We should just stop talking about it. Yeah, maybe we should. I don't know. I'm gonna keep watching it. Let us know on our Facebook page if we should keep talking about each drink love, or if Ben and I are the only two people in the world watching this show, because sometimes I feel like that is the case. By the way, Paula Jones has weighed in with this statement, "The only good cupcake is a chocolate cupcake, then in all caps, not red velvet." Well, then, Paula Jones. I bid you a do. Wow. I am going to kick you off the Facebook page. Just kidding. You can stay. Let's wrap this up. We're just babbling about cupcakes at this point. This is about- Okay. Well, why don't you tell everybody about where they can find us and stuff, because you're better at that than I am. Okay. You can find this podcast, our Facebook page is facebook.com/watercrapins. You really should join, and we're not just saying that. We have a lot of people who engage in it, who write comments. We've heard some of them tonight on the podcast. 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