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[Music] Hey everybody, welcome to Watch What Crap is a podcast about all the crap we love to talk about on Bravo. I'm Ronnie Caron with TVGasm.com and I'm with Matt Whitfield of Yahoo Today. Ben is sadly, sadly out of town, but we do have a special guest before we get into all our housewives, Gossip, and that is Ms. Hermo Anyway from Startup Silicon Valley. And we're also joined by Nadine Rijabi, who is a co-producer of the show. You can find her @ Nadine Rijabi and Hermione @ HermioneWay. Let's get on with it. How's it being famous suddenly, Hermione? You know, it's weird. I keep getting recognized in bars and stuff, but it hasn't got me laid a whole lot more than I thought it were just a little bit more. Well, I would think that if anything is going to get you laid, it's those Tetris pants. Yeah, I think those pants are more famous than I am. I am gonna have to catch them out. Oh my god, you're the girl from Startup Silicon Valley and yeah, they like the pants. I'm not sure they like me, but you Hermione, I think that you need to start a legging company, just like Lindsay Lohan, where you just like have crazy leggings. I'm telling you, it would be your next that's next thing you should want to start a startup. Yeah, totally agreed. You're wasting time with that scale, girl. You need to cut you some leggings. And there needs an app so it can show me how I look in all of the different leggings before I buy them. That's actually a good idea. You can just like put your own body type and try on clothes. We just did it. We saw this show. Get me a VC, get me a VC. I have to butt. So I've decided that when I get uber famous, I'm gonna have a butt off with Kim Kardashian. Oh my god, that's gonna be, that's gonna be some work getting about that big. No, I thought about that big. Seriously, I think my ancestors are black. You do not have a butt that. Okay, now I'm gonna have to go back and watch a show and concentrate on your ass. Thanks. My name Matt was saying that our show is one of his top three favorite Bravo shows. Yay, well at least you have one fan. Well, I'm totally obsessed. I was just, I was mentioning this earlier, but I used to work at Napster when they first launched and now I work at Yahoo. And it's just, for me, I get it. It's kind of more insidery for me, but how do you think that you guys are able to attract people outside of the tech world? Like it's just, obviously there's a lot of drama going on, but was that ever a concern for you to pull in people who maybe are not understanding all of those terms? I think from the beginning, it was hard because, you know, Silicon Valley hated on this show. They thought it was going to give them a bad name. They thought it was going to be all about partying and not enough about business. And in fact, there's a lot of business in the show, but you know, it's hard to cater for both Silicon Valley audience and middle America. And I think this show does a good job of trying to serve both audiences. So I think so because I don't know what any of this stuff means. I'm really stupid and frankly, I don't care. I don't even notice any of these terms. I was just reading a recap that you tweeted because I was stalking your Twitter feed right now. And one of the, I'm just looking at it over right now as I talk like a grouchy zombie like Matt calls me. One of the things he mentions is he's rating you guys on a scale of realistic Silicon Valley lingo. Yeah, all these words that he's bringing up, I don't even notice them on the show. I just want to see someone cry or get a drink thrown in their face or see who's going to be me to Sarah. Why you got that? Can we just, can we just like get to the point we, I'm a hater on Sarah. And I'm glad that she's not on this call because Hermione is the star of the show. There's a new hashtag team Hermione. Oh, nice. So you guys didn't make up after all of this. Oh, no, not really. I mean, good answer, good answer. Yeah, I mean, it's just kind of gone beyond repair now, but you know, we're civil. What's civil? Yeah, well, I imagine it would be hard once you, you know, you try to make up and then you see each other talking crap about each other on TV. Yeah, what's been, you know, I spent a lot of time with Hermione. So for me, you know, putting this together, what's been the biggest shock when you're watching this episode versus when we're actually like going through, like, you know, putting the scenes together as far as like the interview bites and all that stuff, like, are you shocked at what makes it what doesn't make it? I think, I mean, there's a huge amount that didn't make it. That's what, you know, that's what this raises me. You know, there's so many other storylines and, you know, the whole Ryan thing didn't make it. And just so many. Hermione had a whole dating life, by the way, you guys, that we could not put in the show because there just wasn't enough room or time. There was too many men. There was too many men. There really was. There's two breakups in the show. It's none of them were in there. What the hell are you guys? Well, how many episodes are you doing? There's only eight episodes that I see scheduled, but I'm wondering, did you guys have enough footage to do 12 or 13? We had so much footage. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So as Bravo just kind of try and get out because they do that with all their shows. I remember when they started. No, they do eight. And then, you know, and then, and then it goes from there. But, um, but yeah, has it been, has it been, you've basically known what's in the show and what's not as far as how these things are put together, haven't you? Yeah, I mean, it's, um, yeah, I think it's a pretty fair representation of, um, you know, of our lives for those three months. And, you know, um, I think I'm just as, um, a trashy online as I am on TV. And I don't think I've changed much. You know, I'm just the still the crafts British go. And how did, uh, oh, sorry, go ahead, Maddie. I was just going to say in the latest episode that aired this week, um, titled restart, you were mentioning, you know, how it was Christmas time. And obviously this was shot about a year ago and now it's finally just airing. And, you know, obviously things change every single week, every single day in Silicon Valley. It's been an entire year since this was shot. I was just wondering what it's like for you now. Do you sit down and watch it ever? Do you watch the episodes as they are on Bravo and, you know, is it weird for you to look back and see? Oh my God, how much has changed in the past 12 months? Um, I have to have a very stiff drink when I watched the episode. I should be off this call right now. How is that? No, I mean, Nadine and the crew did a great amazing job. I think it's an amazing show and, um, yeah, I invite some friends over the villa. We think of people as a wine and we watch it every Monday. And, um, you know, the premiere, we had like 500 people come and watch it. Um, so we do a little celebration every week and, but yeah, I mean, life, life moves on and everyone says to me like, oh well. So, you know, has your life changed since you got a TV show? And it's like a little bit, but, you know, we, we still have a startup. We're still struggling. We're still, you know, facing all the problems that a startup faces. Oh, and it's still very similar to having a startup, isn't it? It's just a new venture that you're still trying to get people to watch. And you're still, you still have to be invested every step in the way of the way it seems like, you know, with so many different competing shows and stuff. Yeah, I mean, we're, um, you know, we're trying to do as much online media as we can. I was even thinking about doing a sex tape, um... Add a girl if you got the Kim Kardashian, but do it. That's my age. Well, I was thinking we could do a Silicon Valley take on it and I could be caught in bed with my laptop. Well, you're really going to need a good mom to market your porn for you. Because that's the way it works. So can we talk, let's got Silicon Valley here for a second. So a lot is made between the battle of Silicon Valley versus LA, a very San Fran versus, you know, Southern California thing has always been in existence. And I was just wondering, like, this show tries to make Silicon Valley seem incredibly sexy. I love that just ice cold pause. Like go ahead. Kind of hard to believe, but of the nightlife and the action that's going on. But I just, I just want to know. Yeah, pretty much defend Silicon Valley and tell me why is it really sexy? Well, I think it's the sexiest place on Earth, otherwise it wouldn't be here. Because money, because money is sexy and power is sexy or why. I'm just curious. Of course, you know, humans are built on finding power and money sexy, whether you like it or not. And that there's no other industry in the world where you can go from an idea in your head to global dominant billion dollar company in such a short amount of time. And that for me is sexy. You know, Silicon Valley, everything moves so quickly. It's such a fast pace here. And if you're not cut out for it, then you're going to get left behind. So you've got to be incredibly strong. You've got to be incredibly lean. You've got to get ready to pivot all the time. And you've got to, you know, you've got to keep on top of your game. Silicon Valley is like a big game. And you've got to be in it to win it. What's your take on a lot of these companies moving down and opening up headquarters in Santa Monica or El Segundo? I mean, there seems to be somewhat of a trend of the Southern California swing. You know, it's not just Southern California. It's global. London is trying to be the next Silicon Valley. Chile is trying to be the next Silicon Valley. Even Kenya in Africa calls itself the Silicon Valley of Africa. And, you know, I think it's cool to build stuff and be creative these days. It used to be cool to take drugs and cigarettes, but it's definitely a global revolution happening where entrepreneurship and technology and geek culture has now become mainstream. I mean, you know, you only have to look at some of the top TV shows in America, Shark Tank. And I was like geeky one of those geeky guys in that blonde chick. Big bang theory, yes, exactly. It's the number one comedy in the United States. Number one just shows that, you know, people are interested in geek culture. I think so. And of all the all the nerds that I've known, I mean, they have probably the craziest and the most sex that I've ever known. So no doubt speaking to nerds being sexy. I think that what you're saying, you know, the money and the power is is very sexy, but all the nerds I know are very sexual. I mean, all the really pretty stupid people I know are very bad at sex. They just like to read magazines and kind of lay back. Yeah, I think that's definitely, you know, the very adventurous and creative, you know, all the rest of life in Silicon Valley, San Francisco. So how did the show come about? Were you guys, were you guys, did somebody come to you guys? Or did you, one of you come up with the idea? I mean, who came up with this and who came up to you guys to get this going? I'd love to hear in the story, but actually my story relates a lot to Hollywood and L.A. So when I moved to San Francisco, Silicon Valley, I noticed an convergence between Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Celebrities are investing in startups, Ashton Kutcher, Lady Gaga. Since the film, the social network, there's a lot been a lot more interesting content coming out of Silicon Valley. And celebrities are really using the apps built in Silicon Valley to communicate with their fans. And I, I, I Googled events that were connecting Hollywood and Silicon Valley because I got excited about and nothing existed. So I bought the domain, Hollywood meets Silicon Valley.com. I started throwing events and that's how I got introduced to Bravo. And, you know, I, I actually wanted to produce content around Silicon Valley. And when I met with the casting directors, they said, you're far too fucking crazy to be behind the camera. You got to be in our show. That is the best compliment you could ever be paid. Well, Hermione's an amazing blogger. She's got another whole other, like a, like a everyday career in an everyday life. Like, you know, and this is what she does. Yeah. So it's like she knows how to be the producer and on camera and everything, you know. So Hermione, you were basically pitching ideas to them to, to do some basic show about Silicon Valley and they ended up recruiting you. Yeah, pretty much. That's cool. Yeah. And the Dean, the, the Dean side of story. Um, was it sexy doing a reality show about Silicon Valley for you as a producer? It actually was. Here's what's crazy is that I've been working with Bravo for a long time. And it's, uh, when I saw the, basically before they go into series, they do these casting tapes where basically they'll go, okay, well, here's the cast that we're going to do the show about. And, you know, we're going to start following them. And I've seen so many casting tapes. It's unbelievable. And I watch, it's, oh, it's not a casting tape. It's like a pilot. I keep on my casting tape. It's not a casting tape at all. It's, it's a pilot of like, this is the group we're doing in a show around. And I saw it and I was like, oh my God. Like this is the, I thought in my mind, like one of the best cast I've ever seen. Cause, and you know, this speaks to every in the cast. This is the smartest cast I've ever worked with. And they were actually doing things to change, I don't know, changes like the world. They're not just like, listen, I love the housewives more than the next person. Like I'm obsessed with the housewives. But like, they're not just being housewives. They're actually like doing things to like, you know, like Hermione and Ben are like, you know, have a health and fitness apps. It's going to go change people's lives. Like, you know, it's, it's David was basically quit his job to like, follow his dream. It's like everybody, Dwight, like had an ongoing thing. And you know, and obviously you guys will see what happens towards the end of like, what happens with this company. But it's like, they're actually doing something instead of just sitting on their ass and like, you know, watching again. Actually, a lot of, a lot of our users were actually saying to us, you know, obviously we all talk about the housewives. They're rated so well. And so that's like kind of the bread and butter. But a lot of our users agree with us and they love these shows like, Silicon and Tabitha and Million Dollar Decorators, where it's people actually with jobs and careers, not just lounging around by a pool doing nothing. It's, it's a real work-life balance. And I personally find those shows including Silicon to be, you know, the more interesting shows on Bravo Now as a result. And I would love to see that trend continue for Bravo. It's really awesome. And it's very, what's tough is like, I have a, you know, I've come from a crazy Persian family. And like, I've got this, you know, older Persian ad. And she watches housewives. And she watches startups. She's like, I don't get it. I'm like, just sit down and watch and you'll understand. So it's actually introducing to a lot of people to something that they're not used to seeing. And it's like, but this is where we're at. And, you know, it's, it's inspirational. And it was so funny because I was telling Hermione like, one of the days, I'm like, God, I want to do a startup. It's like, everybody, like, it just inspires you to like, do something. It definitely does make me feel lazy. I mean, today I was watching last night's episode. And it starts with you guys kickboxing. I was like, are these people fucking kidding me? I was sitting there trying to have a nice lunchtime binge. And you guys are kickboxing, selling shit, trying to raise $500 million. It was like watching a zoo. I know it's addictive. That's the problem. You know, it's, yeah, it's a place where anything is possible. Well, let's talk about this last episode. I'm kind of really curious about the presentation that you and Ben had with Javelin. And I was wanting you to take the reins and it came sit down. And I wanted you to take over. I know that in the episode, you were saying, you know, I will have my turn. But I think that a lot of your fans were sitting there going, oh, my God, stand up, push him out of the way. Take the reins. Yeah, I know. And that's, you know, the breakdown at the end of the episode was real because, you know, you got to remember that we have only just started working together and living together and getting to know each other. And because I guess he's got more technical experience than me. He takes the reins. But like, you know, I've got to where I am without him. And I, you know, I've been doing, I've been leading my team in the boardroom for so many years that it's really fucking frustrating having him come in and be done. So maybe you're right. Maybe I just need to stop blaming him and, you know, take the reins and get up there. But, you know, it's really hard as well because I'm not as technical as him. Well, putting that aside though, I mean, putting the technical stuff aside, can you talk a little bit about being a strong, powerful female in an industry that's probably, you know, dominantly predominantly male driven. And it's just, you know, I see you on the show and I see Kim on the show. And I forget about Sarah because she drives me nuts. And I just see you and Kim as these women who must face so many obstacles. And uphill battles. Can you talk about that for a little bit? I mean, you know, I do like to say that every tech event I go to is a complete sausage fest. Because it is 99 men. But I kind of think you have to act a little bit like a man to succeed still. Unfortunately, you still have to sort of, you know, put on like a little show of confidence and overconfidence. And you sort of have to, you know, dress like you mean business. And, you know, I feel like it was very much to a man's world. And I feel like I'm quite a manly woman, if that makes sense. Like I've got lots of male traits, but I have to be like that to keep everything together and get men to respect me. But does that give you like that? You know, I think it's so horrible when men call women bitches because it's kind of just like, I feel like a lot of times they see women that are powerful and they immediately give them that title. And I just, I wonder if, you know, is that something that you've come across? Or do you just know the way the industry is? And you just have to put on a pair of balls when you walk into a room and just own it? Yeah, I think, especially in the technology industry, you know, if you do come in as a dumb blonde, you'll get shot down very quickly. You know, these are the most intelligent men or people in the world. And if you don't know what you're talking about, fundamentally understand it, people won't say you seriously. So you have a sneaky way about you because like the way that you're talking now is one thing, but your ass will go to sleep under a table in a meeting too. So, I mean, I think that you have an extremely sneaky way that doesn't, I mean, and I think it's smart, but it doesn't have really to, if you were a man, I mean, they would have pulled out a fire hose on your ass, but they didn't because you're, it was, it was so charming. Like you had a wave of pulling it off. Do you tend to use that a lot in what you do? I mean, what do you want me to do? Put on a burka every morning, you know? No, no, no. No, I criticize me. You want more Tetris pants at the time? Burkas off! I'm not criticizing you. I'm just saying it's really interesting because, you know, the difference between being a man and a woman, I think that it would suck in a lot of ways to have to fight as a woman. It would be a lot harder. I mean, I do see what you're saying. I'm just saying that I think you get a lot away with a lot more and you have a certain charm that can come across a lot better because you're a woman, you know? Power to the woman, yeah! No, I see exactly what you're saying. And, you know, I can normally, you know, get a little cheeky smell and, you know, things or things all, you know, go my way. But, you know, sleeping on the table thing, you know, Steve McClure, I mean, this is like a guy that wears flip flops to the office. There's no way! There's no way I would have done that javelin. Okay, speaking of slobs, I was going to say, speaking of slobs, we have to talk about Dwight. I need to know how disgusting that apartment really is. Well, I quite can't fight. I'd like to spend the night with him. Not if he was taking me back to that disgusting apartment. Or the four seasons without other disgusting being, but yes. You said it. He was just trying to get you in trouble. I'm not trying to get her in trouble. I'm trying to win her over. Yeah, that guy is really cute. I really have to respect a man who just doesn't man skate. He doesn't clean the pizza off the floor. Ronnie, he is way too furry. He needs to man and skip that back. Oh, no, it's funny. It actually didn't make the show, but we actually shaved his back. And it might be in a delude scene, I'm not sure though. Well, I could have done without the shot of the razor on the sink surrounded by hair. That was a little much. How about the Birkenstock on the kitchen counter? Every time I see it, it makes me nervous like the place is going to go up in flames. I get very panicked every time I see that. I mean, he must have laid. Oh, yeah, yes, swagger, he has swagger. And I'm like, you know, it's a panty dropper. I'm telling you. Well, look, he got Kim who's gorgeous. He's got, he's got her in the palm of his hand. I think looks that way. Well, I don't know if she'd say the same thing, but- Of course she would say that, but she buys him shit. No, Kim is going to eat him up and spit him out. Uh-oh. When the woman's playing her lunch all the time, that means he won. Well, let's talk Kim for a second here. So in the most recent episode, Kim finally came to the conclusion that it was time for her to move on after about, you know, two years in the industry, a lot of times that's, you know, typical for people to move on that are of this age and in this industry. But would you, you know, what's your take on a job like that, where there is security and there is safety and really like rolling the dice and, you know, shooting for your dreams? I mean, I think we're- I'm in the USA where the jobs market is depleted and it's, you know, the rate of unemployment is increasing. And, you know, we are at a time when people need to be inspired to quit their job. And- or they weren't- didn't even have a job in the first place, but instead of getting social security, you know, they can- if you're sitting at home with a laptop and a Wi-Fi connection, there's a reason why you can't, you know, get online and start a company, start a- start a, you know, monetize what you love. And I'll be doing the next Google or Facebook, but, um, you can jump on YouTube and Facebook and Twitter and build a brand. And, um, you know, I think we are at a time when, you know, Americans, uh, need to be thinking, uh, entrepreneurily again, you know, your country is bazing. I- it's home now and, you know, it's founded on people who are risk-takers. And I think, uh, if this show can inspire people to- to bring back the risk and, you know, quit their jobs and- or start a, uh, monetizing what they love online, then job done, in my opinion. Well, you are inspiring me and Ronnie to quit our jobs and just make- watch what happens a global brand, right? Right, Ronnie, are we willing to quit our jobs? I'll screw you guys. I'm out of here. I'm gonna go sell some shit on the street. So, Ronnie, was there any backlash? Sorry, guys. It was already backlash from Dave McClure after the episode aired. Me? Uh, towards him? Me. Yeah, no, did he- did he comment on, on, you know, sleeping out of the table or at the episode at all? Or any of the- Oh, he loves it. He loves it. He loves it. Dave McClure is a complete media whore, just like me. Um, he loves the attention. He tweeted it out. He shared it on Facebook. You know, you know, he's, he's a charismatic guy. He, he's just trying to go big or go home. So, uh, and- Do you do everything with your brother now? Or do you have your own ideas and startups that you're working on by yourself? I mean, I know you, you blog, you've mentioned a few of your jobs on the show. Um, but startup specific, do you have any of your own that you're working on? Um, yeah, so I, well, my whole career without him. So I got my newspaper, my London based company, and then startup world. This is a global startup competition. I'm trying to get off the ground to help other people. I did. And then I blog for a web. So I have a whole bunch of different things. And this is really the first thing that I've, that I've done with him. And I'm actually, it's the first time I've had a co-founder. I've always been on my, by myself. So, um, yeah, we do, we do, we do do some things, uh, apart. And how's it going? Are you guys, uh, still working on the same startup? Yeah. I'll start up. Yeah. No, the, uh, the stresses of, uh, building a startup does not go away. Um, you know, we're, we're, we're struggling and we're, you know, it's, it's hard, you know, we're building a product that needs a lot of capital and needs a, needs a lot of money up front. So, um, you know, it's, it's with like millions and millions of dollars here. In addition to all the money though, I mean, it's like, I mean, there's so much pressure on you. And if you have this many businesses running at one time, you mentioned in this past episode that you're only sleeping about three hours a night and that's really not healthy. How do you juggle all of this? Like, yeah. And is it, is it, it has to be your job and that's 100% of your life. How do you, how do you have a life? I mean, the thing is, is if there's one criticism I've got from, you know, people and, um, bench capitalists and advisors that I need to focus. I need to like quit all my different projects and focus on one thing. But, you know, life doesn't work like that. You, you get, you know, passionate about one thing and then you, you want to do that and then you get passionate about another thing and you want to do that. Um, so, you know, I just, um, I just try and drink a lot. Add a girl. Her mind is really good at drinking. So, uh, we have some questions from our listeners. Is that cool with you? Yeah. Um, Cindy asks, ask her if Sarah is still a huge bitch and if she's sleeping, if she's, if she's seeing the adorable Jay. Ah, okay. Well, we already got the answer for the first part. So are you still seeing the adorable Jay? Um, we are friends. We are friends. Maybe, uh, friends with benefits, some might say. Oh, we're, we're so gay. You know everybody online. Everybody thinks it's gay. Well, you know, we don't until later in life. So he could still be gay, but, um, oh my God. Oh, maybe. But that last episode where he went home without sex and you were like, Oh, well, I wish, you know, what a blah, blah, blah. I heard the entire audience scream at the same time. Good day. Who's gonna leave? I know what the fuck, why didn't he? Oh God, I just, yeah. I was like, crawling up the walls, you know, and, um, your girl's gone. Um, but no, we're still friends. We, he watches, um, the show and he read texting and stuff. So I think he's gone back to LA now, but he's a really, he's a really nice guy. Um, a lot of the readers like to tease your brother about his 43 businesses. Um, what, what are they, like, what are his more successful businesses? Because they are, they're rude. I know. I think my brother needs to get rid of a little bit of his ego, you know. Uh, just leave it in the closet somewhere. Um, yeah, he likes to show up. You know, he did, he did think about Ben as he did have a lot of success very young. And his whole life, you know, you got, you got to remember my brother was the geeky guy at school. It was very, you know, born and bought and he was the geek. He was the one that got bullied. He was the guy that couldn't get the girls. And when he made all of this money very, very, um, he, that was, that was how he presented himself to the world. It was all about status and companies. And that was how he, you know, operated. And so now, you know, he has this mentality where he feels like he has to impress everyone. And he does, you know, he does have a lot of companies, but it's all like share, share, it's all shares on paper, money, money on paper. Yeah. So you need to understand that he's actually a really nice guy without the 43 companies. He is. He's such a sweetheart. It seems like he doesn't come across as an ask to me. And I'm a horrible judgmental person. And I think it's really cute. But I respect any man with money that still does like sit up some stuff because I'd be 500 pounds. You have to cut me out of a trailer if I had that much money. I would never leave. He works that medicine ball. He works that medicine ball. Curtis Jensen said, ask her to keep it down. I'm her neighbor. I don't know if that's real or not, but. Really? I think that is real. I think I do have a neighbor who could cut. That is hilarious. That is the funniest thing ever. Oh, cupcake. Yeah, there's a lot of these about not Gajay. They call him, which is hilarious. Do you read the recap on TV, Gasm? Are you concerned that a life expectancy calculator is already in a crowded market? Are there a life expectancy calculators? Do you understand what that means? No, they're just saying, is it too crowded a market for that? I've just never heard of that before. Right, you're right. There are a lot of competing apps and there are a lot of startups in the space. But I think it validates the market very young in terms of the mix of technology in healthcare. There's always, you know, Google wasn't the first search engine when it launched. It was one of about a thousand. What TV shows do you watch? Do you watch anything? Are you one of those people who doesn't have a TV? I feel like you are. Well, I watch everything on Hulu because I'm addicted to the internet. I love house, I love California cation, I love Grey's Anatomy, a little bit of Big Bang Theory, Breaking Bad's, Big Good. So yeah, I do watch a little bit of TV, but, you know, I don't get a lot of time, but yeah, you know, it relaxes with me. If you were to be on another reality show, is there any other reality show you would love to be on? Like, I could kind of see you and Ben on the Amazing Race. I'm not going to lie. I would love to do that show. I'd love to do dancing, whatever it is, dancing something. Yeah, dancing with the stars. Yeah, we get to dance with all these hot guys. Oh, yeah. Honey Boo Boo would make a really good duo as well. She'll be there, don't worry. She'll be there in 10 years. Her mind, Boo Boo. She'll be doing another kind of dance and it will be involving a pole. So what is next for you guys? Nadine, how far into the season are you guys with editing and stuff? Are you finished? Yeah, we just actually just turned in our finale today. So we're done and we're probably just wrapping up this week. But we're going to do two back-to-back episodes. So we're going to do episode seven, episode eight. One will be on a Monday. We'll be on a Tuesday because we didn't want our finale to air on Christmas Eve. Yeah, so what we're doing this year with Christmas, huh? They started everything in the holidays. Yeah, so yeah, so our finale would have fallen on actually on Christmas Eve. So we're doing it the Tuesday after our seventh episode airs, just the day after. But it's a really cool episode seven and eight be paired with real housewives of Atlanta on a Sunday and then real housewives of Beverly Hills on Monday. So it'll be a Monday or Tuesday. So after whatever falls on Tuesday. But there's a lot coming up for Hermione for sure. And next week is a big episode for Hermione. And it's probably one of my favorite episodes of Hermione. And you guys probably should talk to her after that too. And just give us a little bit of taste of what's coming up next week. Well, Hermione's has a birthday party. And she might, she basically gets, I don't want to give away the whole thing, but she gets a present from a sex shop and she decides to put it on. And, um, and there are investors at the party and you can only imagine what happens. Well, Ben, well, I saw a bit of the preview and Ben freaks out that, oh my God, maybe we're going to lose our potential investment. And it's like, Ben, get the stick out of your ass and have some fun every once in a while. If nothing's working, start slapping those investors around with a big dick. Exactly, put a strap on on and get some pasties and get the party started. Yeah, that's cool thinking outside the box. Okay, buddy. I was crying laughing watching Hermione. Like it was, and here's the one thing about Hermione. It's her Hermione doesn't care and that's what's amazing. It's like, she's such a free spirit and she's going to do what she's going to do. And it's like, she's so entertaining to watch and she's so, and like, that's the greatest thing about the show. It's like, there's nothing, and that's what I like about Bravo. There's nothing that's scripted. There's nothing you never tell them. Like it's, it's a follow doc. You really follow their lives. And I've been on other networks where we've had to script things. And this is definitely not that Bravo does not do that. Well, I think like you said, it's all about the casting. And I really think that this is one of the best casts we've ever seen for a Bravo show, especially for a first season, you know. And I think that makes all the difference in the world. I mean, we want to see these people. We want to see them in the business world. We want to see them in their personal lives. And I think that's why you have a hit on your hands. Yeah, it's very nice to watch a show that's not just a bunch of old rubber ladies beating each other up for no reason. For the last time. No, it is good as, you know, later in the season, you'll see like, you know, better Hermione definitely have a lot of ups and downs. And, and, and you know, we talk about Hermione's startup world a little more and introduce that. And, you know, and the cool thing is, you know, here's better Hermione that went in just with the concept and they go in a pitch. And then by the end, it's like, you know, they have a prototype. They have product. It's like, what other show have you seen that progression, you know? Yeah. We didn't, we didn't even start on the idea until we started filming. Literally went from idea to product on the show. So there's anybody out there wondering how you can idea off the ground in Silicon Valley and go from idea to actually having a physical product. They should watch the show. Yeah, it's true. Cool. Well, we love your show. And you guys, thank you so much for coming on and talking to us. I can't wait to see what you, I can't wait to see you whip some faces with a big. You're going to die. Get to cut it back. Hey, can I ask one question? Yeah. Did you have to fuzz out the, the, the toy? Oh, you're asking me. Yes, we did. Oh gosh, you know, there's a lot. I wish that everybody could see the raw footage of like everything because from the sex shop of them buying the sex toy, which we had to like, you know, fuzz out a little bit to, you know, to Hermione putting it on, it's like. I think that Ronnie and I maybe are owed a secret deleted scenes DVD in a few weeks. I'm just going to say, we would enjoy that. Actually, I'm like, it's actually kind of funnier with the blur. Well, but if you have any footage of a naked, not Gajay, that would be nice as well. Thanks. Send that over. So we're going to get out of here, guys. Thank you so much for being with us. We will be watching your show everybody. Thanks for listening and check out startups and Silicon Valley. Thanks so much for being here, you guys. We'll talk to you soon. Good luck with everything. Cheers. Bye. Well, that was fun, but we still got some housewives to talk some shit about. We definitely do. I mean, I'm going to be honest with you, Ronnie. I think that the real housewives of Atlanta has officially jumped the motherfucking shark. Okay. I got yelled at the other day by one of my very critical friends, Darren, who yelled at me for using the term jumping the shark incorrectly. Now he says that the show has to do something crazy that it normally wouldn't do. And that's why I jumped the shark. I just think it means it sucks now. Well, I mean, yeah, it's done both. It now just sucks, but a few crazy things have happened. I honestly think that the casting of these two new morons has taken the show in a bad direction. Really? Well, I think it's black people's fault. No, just kidding. I actually love these girls. I think they are so hysterical. I love me. Excuse me. I'm listening to Portia call say that she had a fraudulent slip was hysterical to me. I'm still. Okay, there's no doubt. She is the Alexa Spillino of Hotlana. But did you notice that she was on screen for all of four seconds because she's so boring and dumb? I think she's hilarious and she just doesn't have enough drama yet. But I think she'll be in, I mean, just to listen to her and her husband talk and the listeners are commenting on the page too about it and it's cracking me up the husband. No, you can't let one bad apple spoil everything. Whatever he said, I just want to sit there and listen to them take a knife to English and just stab the shit out of English. I kind of have a feeling that they are the dumbest people in the entire city. They're pretty stupid, but they're so well-meaning and cute. I mean, Atlanta for some reason, when Atlanta has drama, I just feel uncomfortable. I mean, last year when they took that trip and Siree had that weird meltdown with Marlowe and... That was the best thing ever with the two of them squealing like hyenas. It was amazing. Which was funny, but for the most part, it just made me uncomfortable. Atlanta, I just like to sit back and laugh my ass off at Atlanta. Well, you get plenty of that. There's no doubt, but I mean, I just got to be real. I think that Kenya is just disgusting. Oh, that's one crazy bitch. But then we met her family and we see why she's a crazy bitch. They're all crazy too. Hey, I'm Ryan Reynolds. Recently, I asked Mint Mobile's legal team if big wireless companies are allowed to raise prices due to inflation. They said yes. And then when I asked if raising prices technically violates those onerous to your contracts, they said, "What the f*ck are you talking about? You insane Hollywood f*ck." So to recap, we're cutting the price of Mint unlimited from $30 a month to just $15 a month. 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I was just saying though, but like, I got the impression from you on the last episode that you were a hater on Kenya and I was liking her for being crazy for a hot second. But now I'm like, oh, she's just gross. Oh, I think she's disgusting as a human being. But I think she's just wonderful to watch on TV. I think she's hysterical. I mean, she gets so offended at everything. Do you ever watch "Boardwalk Empire?" No, I gave up. Well, there's a-- The way I'm about to give up on Atlanta. No, no, you will not. There's a character this season on "Boardwalk Empire" played by Bobby Conneval. I think that's how you pronounce it, right? That hot ass guy, Bobby Conneval. Love it. And he is from Italy and he's just kind of an idiot and he doesn't get American lingo. And so he keeps getting super offended at things that people say and then he murders them. Like his first scene is when his car was broken down and some old man comes out and he's like, oh, your tire's broken. Let me go to the glove compartment and I'll get some WD-40 or whatever. And Bobby Conneval says, what's that? And he said, it's oil. What else? You know, and he goes and gets it. And Bobby Conneval kills him and screams, what else? We'll tell you what else, it could have been a tire iron. It sounds like Teresa Judiche. Well, all I could think of while I was watching that, because that's what I caught up with on Thanksgiving, all I could think of while I was watching that was, oh my god, that's a white Kenya with a giant penis. Oh my god. Oh my god, that's just too much. It's too much, but he does have a giant when they show it, you guys. So if you haven't been watching this season of "Boardwalk Empire" damn, because he will have a belt around his neck, walking through a whorehouse covered in blood with his wiener showing for like a solid minute. Oh my god, everybody get on your DVRs right now. So you guys are very welcome for that. Okay, back to Ken. Yeah, we need to talk about her desperate. I want to talk about Kenya getting all like spirit with love. Like, oh, I need to get a ring on it. I need to make some babies. Oh, she is too desperate. You know, Glenn Close did not screw Michael Douglas and over, well, Glenn Close didn't get together with Michael Douglas and talk about a recipe for Bunny Stu first. She waited until she was fucked over and then she scared him. Kenya is doing all the scaring right up front. And he's not even that hot? No, the man is wearing a towing shirt. He's like, oh, he's a towing company. His Jerry curl is dripping down that shirt. Yeah, she's just desperate. She's like, you've got a pulse. You've got a job. I don't even care if you're wearing your towing shirt during dinner. What are those crickets? He's like, oh my god, let's discuss how she cooked him dinner. And she is one of those crazy women who is like, oh, my man's not going to do me and give me babies unless he knows that I'm a good cook. So let me pretend to throw some nasty ass Fettuccini from Ralph's in a frying pan before he comes home because he's going to fucking believe that I cooked this shit. That was pretty funny. You have to admit. I mean, I do that before my come over. Don't get it twisted, but I'm not trying to get a baby up in here. But I love that she tries to pull it off with a tiny little pan with a fork in it. There's nothing else. There's no other ingredients anywhere. There's no cool. There's no coming. There's no nothing. It's just like, oh, I put two strings of pasta with a fork and a frying pan. Who are you, dumb bitch? Yeah, she's pretty horrifying. But most of all, the conversation was horrifying. I mean, that whole, well, you know, you know, I'm ready to make some babies. You know, it's time to put a ring on it. I was like, oh, no, please stop. Well, let me ask you this. Do you have to have your boyfriends go before a panel of your family members to find out if they're worthy of your love? Or I mean, is that just my family sees me standing next to somebody and they start giving them money and gifts to talk them into staying? Oh shit, you should take me home for Thanksgiving next year. My family's even impressive. I speak to anybody at all, much less anybody who would want to have sex with me. They're thrilled. It could be a carnival barker and they'd be like, oh my God, you've got eight fingers. Welcome to the family. Oh my God. Okay, let's talk about a few of the other things that happened on this episode. I would like for a second to talk about. My now arch nemesis, Kim Zolciak, I have been up this woman's ass. I have loved her. I have loved all of her crazy storylines from the beginning. But last week, when we were taping, watch what crappins. I kind of lost my goddamn mind on her. I do not give a motherfuck. I do not want to waste another fucking hour of my life watching this bitch move out of her house and claim that she is homeless. I cannot handle her. Not only that, but she is being so horrible in that. Okay, Kim is like refusing to pay her rent, first of all. So she's being evicted. So instead of just, you know, first of all, you shouldn't be getting evicted. That's ruining your husband's reputation. You already had a shitty refugee. I mean, I guess, Mary, you already ruined his reputation. But yeah, exactly. And I forgot what I was saying, but she's a horrible person. So she's getting evicted. And now she's telling everyone that she is leaving because the house is haunted. Or as Nini would say, that house is haunted. Haunted, not haunted, haunted. Like, get out your shotgun and put on your Elmer Fudd gear because it's haunted. Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit. Yeah, she's ridiculous. I have no pity for her. And I'm glad that she's looking like a total asshole on national television. Yeah, she is not doing herself any favors. But while we're on the topic of Kim, we do have to bring this up. So obviously, if you make it to the end of this last episode, which I don't know why you would because it was so boring. You see the preview for next week and Kim loses her shit. She kind of like attacks a cameraman. She walks out when all the women are giving her shit for backing out on yet another event. I think that they were in talks in next week's episode of going on vacation. And you know, Kim pulls the plug because she, at that point, is like 36 weeks pregnant, something along those lines. I kind of get that she doesn't want to travel while she's pregnant, especially with scary women and Nini, who has choked her out multiple times. But you know, Kim now has officially left the show. Like, that's been all over the gossip rags all this week. But then I thought like Bravo was going to be done with her. And yesterday I'm seeing they have green green lit a second season for don't be tardy for the wedding. Obviously, it's getting a new title, but they are still keeping Kim in the mix. Well, did they already shoot this show? Because you know how Bravo does shit, they'll shoot things. And then a year later, they're like, oh, we green lit a Kim show. That's what I'm not really understanding about this. Is this something that was already shot? I don't think that Kim's second season has been shot yet. So I think that they needed a cooling off period between her departure from ATL before they were going to decide if she was going to get the go for another one. But I think at the end of the day, Bravo was like, look, don't be tardy for the wedding. Had a shit ton of numbers. The ratings were great. It's like, people want to see this crazy bitch. I mean, I don't want to see her just complaining nonstop. But in the press yesterday, Kim's like, oh, yeah. You know, everybody loves to see our crazy lives unfold. Me with the kids and my husband and all this. And I'm like, do they really anymore? Like, you already walked down that aisle. You've already had your epic fights with Nini. Like, what is left except for you sitting around yelling at Sweetie and being a crappy mom? Like, what else is there? Well, she's always been a scummy, white trash, heck, hellily, blue piece of shit. But she used to be fun. Very funny. I mean, I used to love watching Kim. I didn't turn on Kim until probably around this, around Tard. I stopped watching that Tardie for the wedding bullshit in the middle. I hated it. She made me so great. Her attitude. It's like, bitch, you are, you are ho. You have sucked your dick. You have sucked some dick to get where you are. You need to get off your high horse. Please get on, get back on your knees and keep working and get off your high horse. I do not pay to watch you back better than everybody else. I don't pay. Like, this is a Broadway show and I bought a ticket. Well, where do you think that season two can go? Like, if they have not shot it yet, like, are we just going to watch Kim, like, trying to mend fences with her white trash mother, who she kicked out of her wedding? Like, I don't give a fuck. Um, I don't know. She's already been so critical and mean to them that I would hope they would have more self-respect than to even speak to that trash again. I don't know. It would probably be about her raising bait, you know, raising little babies. She's got two, she's going to have two now, so. I think it would be more interesting, actually, if we saw her kind of transition into more of an NFL wife and to see her interacting with some of Crowe's teammates' wives. I mean, I think that that could bring in a new dynamic. I don't know. That's a great idea, but she's not going to allow that. She won't, she won't even, she won't even talk to the women on her own cast now. Right, it's like she's not willing to share the screen with other people. A, and then B, I just don't think that the Atlanta Falcons organization, I think they're already ashamed of the fact that Crowe is married to that hoe bag. I don't think that they would ever love cameras near that fucking training facility. Yeah, I would hope not because she's, she's a joke. And it's, it's amazing because it's all just a little tiny switch in her attitude. She's always thought she was great. I mean, the woman thought she was going to be a pop star for Christ's sake. I mean, she's delusional enough to make it as a housewife, but. Yeah, but it kind of worked when she was with Big Papa and she didn't know if she was going to get the next like rent check in the mail, but now that she knows that Crowe has a steady paycheck, she has become a straight up nasty bitch. And just watching her spend all that money that she's just, you just know, she's spending more than she's making and I don't know, I just feel bad. Like he's just, I feel like she's going to break the poor man and then leave him. And he's going to be stuck supporting her. Oh, there's no diggity doubt about that. I mean, he is going to crawl back to Montana, you know, with all these wounds that she's left him with and probably a few diseases on the side. And, you know, he's going to have to pull it back together when she's out banging the next NFL, you know, tight end or whatever position he is. Yeah, I hear that. Anyway, what else happened fails. Okay, what else happened on ATL? We haven't talked about candy. We haven't talked about Phaedra and we haven't talked about Nini and my arch nemesis, Cynthia. Well, this butt dial thing is a bunch of bullshit. You know that that was a producer giving her tape because Phaedra butt dialing and just happening to be talking shit during this message about what's her bones, that bland ass Cynthia. That is not true. You know that her mic was just on and she didn't know she was being recorded and some producer sent that to Nini. Oh, they sent it to Nini. It was never a voicemail between Phaedra and some other like third party. It was just like the mic kept running, which it always does. And they clipped it up and they gave something, you know, to Cynthia to talk about because bitch has nothing else going on. Yeah, they're trying to make the drama happen, which is just not really going to happen. I mean, unless you get Kenya around everybody more, she'll bring the drama. But like I said, I like this one to laugh my ass off. Yeah, but that's the problem, Ronnie. What is? Well, that's a thing. It's kind of like, you know, if we can see them blatantly manufacturing this drama, like it's just it's upsetting to me. It's like, of course, this is reality TV. So I should expect it all to be in the hands of the editor. Of course, the shit is half scripted. But at the same time, it's like, I already know that. But when you make it apparent to me, it just turns me off. Yeah, I know that I'm stupid, but don't call me stupid. Okay. Pretty much, pretty much. My day is already fucking tough enough for then you, for then having them like call me an idiot to my face. Like, oh, my day already sucked. Fuck you. Well, let me look over this. Let me look over the comments real quick on this. Apollo being a barber is hysterical. Um, we could talk about this for an hour. We will not, but what does this man not do? Last week, we found out that he is a certified personal trainer/nutritionist/bodybuilder. And this week, he's a motherfucking barber. What is this? Did he learn all these skills behind bars in the slam-on? I love another thing someone was saying. Kristen is saying, "Faedra completely ignoring the issue at hand and talking about the bug bite on her tit didn't make me laugh." Hilarious. That was funny. She's like, "Well, I don't remember making that call. I don't remember butt dialing. I don't remember saying the F word. You know I don't talk. Oh, look at this. I got a bite on my boobie." I mean, she is completely ridiculous. But I mean, you're right. At least we do get some comic relief on this show because of her, because without that, it's just like too much Kim being a bitch. But, um, you know, again, there was no butt dial. But Faedra did say that shit about Cynthia. And guess what? Cynthia deserves all the shit talked about her times 10. Yeah. Who gives a fuck if Cynthia shows up to any of their events? Because Cynthia sits there with her asshole of a husband, Peter, and nobody gives a fuck. This is another one Lumina put on here. Dear Lord, on the coming attractions, Portia said you don't feed the homeless on Thanksgiving. There's the other 265 days of the year. And then a record scratches. And Nini does that like cross-eyed cocked head thing. And I'm like, oh, Nini just slapped shit out of her. Nini does not put up with his bullshit. Oh, no, she doesn't. And you know, I'm actually enjoying Nini. I was huge hater of Nini last year. And I thought after her ego last year, I thought she was just going to be unbearable this year. But at least she's trying to be funny. I mean, last year, she was just pulling a Kim. Like, she was too good to even be there. And this year, she's at least, you know, she's the highest paid housewife still, I believe. Oh, she definitely is. And look, I mean, she deserves it. She did, you know, she put ATL on the map. She was the star of the first few seasons. I mean, obviously her and Kim kind of shared the spotlight. But now, you know, last season, even when she was being a complete monster, it is the Nini show. Like reality check it is the Nini show. But I mean, it's a smart move on her part to play nicey-nice this season. Because A, she needed to make up for last season and B, as much as I love the new normal on NBC, the ratings are not so great. It's only averaging about 5 million first, which is really only a few million viewers more than the ATL housewives. So it's like, if that show goes away on NBC and Ryan Murphy doesn't have another role for Nini, bitch needs the housewives. Yeah, and that was very smart. Don't quit your job until you're sure. You've got a new one. Exactly. So I'm actually pretty smart. I still haven't even watched a new normal. How terrible is that? I've become brainwashed by all these reality shows. It's all I can watch. There's nothing wrong with it. You're only missing Ellen Barkin as an amazing Emmy about to win the Emmy next year racist. It's fantastic. Yeah, I saw Lucille Bluth first. She didn't ignore me as much on talk shows. Oh, snap. So let's move on to the BH. Well, first of all, so sad that Miami wasn't on this week. I hate you. I cannot live without the real housewives of Miami. You know, I was a hater from the get-go. I hated season one. And you and Ben finally made me see the light. And at this point, I was ready to cancel Thanksgiving in order to get a new episode of Real Housewives of Miami. That's how I was like, I will skip the pie. By the way, I ate carbs. And I love that somebody tweeted me like, Matt, enjoy the holiday. You can finally eat some carbs. I did. I gained three pounds. And I-- In the day or like a couple days? In like-- Five days. But anyway, I mean, I'm really don't want to talk about it. But anyway-- I just stuck to a diet for a whole month. And then I was like, oh, I'll take Thanksgiving off. And I'm still off. I'm still off too. I'm sitting here right now with a glass of wine and a bag of potato chips. It's disgusting. I can't stop. It's all I think about is fucking food now. It's all-- I mean, it's like, it's suddenly back. I was having freaking vegetable shakes and coconut water for a month. And all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, I need food. Next time you do that, please do it as Mama Elsa. I need to eat some poor marisole. I need to eat some poor marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. I need to eat some marisole. We're not very objective nor should we be. Look, I think Leah is a squacky, old, busy-bodied, pompous ass jurist who fucked a lawyer, which is totally tacky, and she's ruining maids for the rest of us because every maid is going to be expecting shit from us. My maid wants guest quarters now. Yes, totally, well, Lana expects me to unchain her ass and put balls in her hair every night now. But, you know, I do forgive all that because I think she's just hilarious and I'm someone who really likes hanging out with weirdos as well and I forgive my weirdos for their bullshit behavior too. Look, we talked about this last time we taped an episode. None of us condone the fact that she is friends with that nasty bitch drag queen and none of us condone the fact that she has a lot of, how would you call it, friends that are unsavory, but at the end of the day, we still love her. And guess what, people? Her PR team got her on the show. So, you know, if marisoles PR people want to get her on the show will be nice to her for 45 minutes and pretend to care. I'm like marisole. I would talk to her. It would just feel bad because I know that you and Ben would be like, so imitate your mom, do it. Okay, get to the point, get to the point. Yeah, so we are unfair with Leah, but I like her. Sorry, suck it. Okay, well, let's talk about the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills before we wrap this bitch up. Of course, we had to have another dinner party that ended with tears and screaming, but before we get there, we did have a little stop at the DMV. One of Kim's twin, I don't know, daughters that all look like her got her, finally got her driver's license and was then able to drive her mom's maserati just like when I got our licenses. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. It's so obnoxious to watch. First of all, Kyle, I don't know why I ever liked Kyle because she has no personality to speak of at all. I mean, does that woman have anything to talk about? We have to watch you take your goddamn brat to the DMV and especially after Lisa's already done it with Leech, Cedric. Yeah, I guess well, okay. That scene when they were laughing about how dirty and gross all the poor people were. Love that scene, we'll never forget it. Right, that scene was amazing. And they jump into Lisa's blue, like convertible, and it was hilarious, but Kyle actually totally boring. So boring, it's like no one. Yes, Kyle, we know you got a new fucking Leech car from your husband, okay? We saw that already, stop. I don't know. I think she's kind of rubbing it in people's faces, but I don't know that she's really snotty. I just think she's personality-free. More and more, like more I watch her on screen, the more I'm like, no wonder Kim is so fucked up and demented. I'm like, if I had to grow up and be sisters with Kyle, I would be a fucking mess too. Yeah. I mean, it just perks that more and more each week, but before we get to the getaway up where, you know, what was it called? I haven't even been there. Oh, hi. Oh, hi, whatever, I've never been there. But before we get there, we do have to talk. The beginning of the episode featured the confrontation. Adrienne and Lisa sat down, had a glass of wine, and Adrienne kind of apologized, and Lisa definitely did not apologize. No, no. Lisa not only didn't apologize, she kind of lectured her, which I just loved. I thought it was great. I mean, Lisa is definitely not a fake bitch. You can say whatever you want about her, but Adrienne does not deserve an apology, and she should have been groveling off the cameras the day of all that bullshit at the reunion. Exactly. She waited like six to eight months to finally, you know, get down on her knees and, you know, apologize to Lisa, but she didn't even go about it the right way. And I loved when, you know, she was just rambling and dancing around the, you know, get to the point, bitch, and say I'm sorry, and they cut to Lisa and the confessional, and she was like, I'm waiting. Well, we both work, and we were both mothers. And, you know, as busy women, as too busy women, we should really, you know, find it in our hearts to forgive each other. I think Lisa's just like, what are you talking about? So, are you sorry, or are you not sorry? Exactly. That had nothing to do with the malicious things that Adrienne said about her, and I was just like, get to the fucking point. And again, I agree with you. I don't think that Lisa owed Adrienne shit for her to make a rhyme between her last name and the word huff. If that is all that is really upsetting you, you are a petty dick bitch. Yeah, she really is. Especially Adrienne's old enough to know that in the 20s, huffers were dancers, and they were not ugly horses. They were gorgeous dancers. And Lisa's old enough to know that reference too. It was nothing offensive, and it's so annoying that Adrienne tried to make it that way. And what makes me even more annoyed is that her husband is buying into all of this. Paul, it makes me crazy that Paul is so upset over stupid rhymes. Like, what a blowhard. When did Flintstone become such an asshole? Well, I think that, like, I mean, obviously this is before his marriage to Adrienne completely felt a part to ship, but I just think that she's very, very controlling. I mean, that's obvious the way that she acts on the show. I mean, she's awful. And I think that he felt forced to defend her, and I understand a husband defending a wife. But when your wife is that fucking wrong, you need to pull her aside and go, you are wrong, get your act together. And I just think that this whole, you know, parade of Adrienne, like, pretending to apologize. First of all, we know that she is not really wanting to forgive and forget. She really, truly does hate Lisa. And she doesn't want to apologize to her, and that's fairly obvious. But I just don't think that Adrienne is going about this the right way. I think that she is now hated by viewer and by her cast members. Oh, yeah, we've got this one girl on TV, Gasm, who's a commenter. And God, don't worry, I'm not going to trash a commentary. But she's always on my ass about making fun of people that she likes. She's like, why are you made a tailor? Why are you made an avant? I'm like, bitch, you are the only person in the world, nice enough to be sticking up for these evil, horrible women. And I try not to comment back because I have so much time to just rant on about my opinion and this show and all this stuff that I just need to shut the fuck up. But I guess my point is this girl is so nice, but I'm like, how can you stick up for Satan? I mean, she even looks like Satan. She looks like the villain from Harry Potter, the snake guy. (laughing) - I don't know how anybody can back Adrienne. I truly don't get it, but like you said, I think it was completely delicious. They were clearly there for no more than 10 or 15 minutes. Lisa just pounded that glass of Pinot Grigio. She had a delicate, not delicate, but she had like a concise speech prepared for Adrienne and she really let her have it. I mean, she really didn't need to embarrass Adrienne because Adrienne does enough of that on her own, but her like really just, you know, great delivery of, you know, exactly how she felt. Just, I felt like it just made Adrienne look like a fucking fool. - Oh, it really did. And when they showed the clip, first of all, Adrienne was wearing a Miss Piggy dress from the Great Muppet Caper. So when they showed that reunion clip of her in the Miss Piggy dress, really going after Lisa, I mean, I forgot how hard she went after Lisa accusing her of selling stories. I remember that it came up and there was a fight, but I don't remember that she just kept on and on and on about it. I mean, she really went off. So it's good to see her get her due. And, you know, even though Brandy is a total Bulldog for Lisa because Lisa is, you know, helping her out financially and she's helping her out career-wide, she, you know, she's the new Cedric. She's the new Leech. And it is a little bit obnoxious to see her go after somebody else, but to see her tell Adrienne to go fuck herself or whatever was just wonderful. - Oh, it was just wonderful. And we all know how this story is gonna end. She will, like you said, be the new Cedric and she will eventually bite the hand that feeds and start fighting with Lisa and it will make for great TV. But in the meantime, as long as she is putting her vitriol, is that a word vitriol? - vitriol, yeah. - As long as she is pointing that towards Adrienne and getting the other people to chime in, it is hilarious. - Well, I will actually make a prediction, a disagreeable prediction, because I don't think she's gonna bite the hand that feeds her. From what I've seen of her just around town, she's maintained some pretty wealthy highfalutin friends and she doesn't act like an asshole. I've seen her around and I've never seen her acting like that. - I mean, there's no doubt that she's uncouth and she is a rougher around the edges. But I mean, in this past episode, we actually did see her kind of admit to a lot of her flaws and say that she's a LexaPro hooker and a cum receptacle for all the men of... You know, the South Bay area, which, you know, is true. - That's a crumb off guard. - That I called her a cum receptacle? That's a great... - Totally cum off guard. - Sorry, sorry if I made you clutch your pearls for once. But no, I really, I hope that she doesn't bite the hand that feeds because I do like her teaming up with Lisa. I think it is fun. - I don't think she will, but I will say, you know, she is no innocent. She is kind of an asshole. She did a couple of things in this episode that were like, wow, Brandy. She's just, it's like she has no, not filter, but I don't even know what it is. Like she's so insecure that she just keeps fucking herself over. Like, when Lisa's saying, oh, you're so beautiful. All the girls just don't like you because you're pretty. And she's like, well, the only pretty girl like me, you, and who was the other one? - Camille. - Yeah, cross-eyed-- - The Richard of Camille, cross-eyed Grandma. - Cross-eyed Grandma. Please. - And then when she was talking to Kim, her apology was not an apology. She was saying, she said, well, you know, I don't want you to think I'm judging you. Well, you said, at least I'm not doing meth in the bathroom all night, bitch. - I mean, it does not get more judgy than that because you pumped her a slutty cokehead bitch. Like, I'm sorry. Like, that's not just like me standing in front of a party, which I often do and giving you a cross-eyed. - Yeah, and she's like, well, you know, I just, I don't want you to think I'm judging you. It's just that I've been through the same thing. I was just trying to help you. Yeah, that was really helpful. What she should say, you know, what Kim honestly needs to hear is, look, you were really, I was feeling insecure. I didn't know any of these ladies. You hid my crutches and were really mean to me for no reason. And I got super defensive and turned into a total vile bitch. I'm really sorry, but you made me feel so bad. You know, I'm kind of owed an apology too. But Kim, it's like, oh, I was an alcoholic, so everything's forgiven. And that always makes me crazy with fucking alcoholics, 'cause trust me, I've had plenty of them in my life. - I totally hear you. You know what, how come nobody's buying me shit and stroking my hair just because I wasn't wasted half of my life, you know? - Well, that's my fucking prize. (laughing) - I'm watching this episode. I'm going the entire time I love Kim. I love Kim. I love this woman. She makes for great TV. I am rooting for her. I'm rooting for her. Go make some chicken salad with your hands. And then we get to the end of the episode. And I think that she is kind of taking Brandi's quasi-apology slash compliments about her daughters well. And I'm thinking, okay, these tears are happy tears. I'm finally in a good place. Slash, please pass me, you know, a vodka soda under the table. But in reality, those tears were coming down because she still is so fucking angry at Brandi and all she should be angry at is herself and her fucking sister Kyle. - Well, and let's look at why she's angry with Brandi, not just because of the mean way, the mean stuff that Brandi said, but if you look at it, Brandi outed her on national television and forced Kim to give up drinking in the first place. - But isn't that in the fucked up way, like really great that she exposed Kim and it made Kim get her life together and it made probably Kim's kids end up not fucking hating her for the rest of time? - Maybe, but you know, just because you run somebody down and kill them and then you decide to go to AA, you know, you're not gonna necessarily think that person, you know, for ruining your life just because you went to AA. I mean, I don't know if that makes any sense, but I think that Kim is just basically blaming Brandi for having to sober. I think she's mad that she has to be sober. I feel like she's totally being forced into sobriety and she doesn't like it. And look, I don't blame her. I don't like sobriety either. I think it's horrible. It's a horrible way to live. - It's not a real way to live, just like not eating carbs is not a real way to live. You need some alcohol and you need some bread in your fucking lives. - Yeah, totally agreed. And look, I really like Kim, but when I look at somebody refusing still at this point, when she's supposedly sobered up, which I'm still not quite sure about, but I'm rooting for her because she's still crazy sober, which I love, but you know, for somebody who's supposedly sober and got all their shit together to still not be able to take enough responsibility to say, you know what, I was a real bitch to you at that party. For no reason, I ganged up on you with my sister. It was on call for and I'm sorry, you know? You're still-- - She's never gonna say that. But that's the thing, that's why I can never totally be behind Kim because I've known too many people like that who fuck up everything, fuck up everyone's life, fuck up their own life. And then they're like, oh, well, I went to an AA meeting and then we're all supposed to buy them Christmas presents and call them every day to make sure they're doing okay. You know what, fuck off, that's your problem. You need to take care of your shit and stop blaming everybody else for your shit 'cause you did it. - Okay, well, let's talk for a second about, you know, when this goes down, Adrian kind of starts to get in the mix from the other end of the table and Brandy is having none of it. And classy Brandy, as she always does, then decides to get ghetto and she says, shut the fuck up at the dinner table to Adrian, which by the way, was the best part of the entire episode. - Well, a couple of weird editing things were happening last night. That was a really weird one because they were doing soap dish editing. Do you remember that movie, soap dish? - Of course I do, but I feel like they totally like pumped up Adrian's mic and drown everybody else out when clearly she was having that conversation with like Lisa and Kyle at the end of the table. - Well, they did some tricky editing, soap dish editing where something would be said and then they would do shocked close-ups of everybody at the table, which was so soapy and hilarious. And they did it for that. And then Brandy repeated it, which I love. She's like, so the fuck up or whatever. And then, as Leah Black, she said that. But they also did it when Lisa said, oh, why are you always taking the piss out of me, Kyle? You know, now you've got someone else here with an accent, why make fun of her for a while? - Cut to Kyle, cut to everybody. - Cut to everybody, looking like that was the most offensive thing ever said, you know? - How dare she, right? - And what are all these people are too good to hear the F word at the table? Give me a break. And then next week, we see Taylor and Kyle flashing their Vijay J's at the camera. We've seen Kyle almost attack an old woman for thinking her husband was hot. We've seen Kyle jump somebody and beat the shit out of her and call her an alcoholic in a limo. And we've seen Taylor kill her husband. - Pretty bad, by proxy. - By proxy, but still, she was the one behind it. There's no doubt. - Yeah, so there you go, I don't think it's horrible. So I think it's funny that they're so judgmental that next week they're too hard. - I have to tell, I know, they're complete hypocrites. If anybody is a complete hypocrite, it is Kyle and Taylor. And they're gonna prove it once again next week where they're gonna get sloppy drunk, show their badges all over TV and act like young teenage morons. And I just love in the preview where they show Yolanda sitting back and going like, how do you people deal with each other? 'Cause you're all some crazy bitches. And I'm like, did you see what show you were signing up for? - Remember kidding. Where the fuck do you think you are, lady? - Yeah, this doesn't, just because it's 902&0 does not make it classy, honey. - And you weren't married to fucking Chloris Leachman who look alike, who dates like teenagers and has a sex chamber. Stop acting like you're so above it all, you know. - I love her, she is above it all. She actually is classier and richer and prettier than all these other skags. - Whatever, she's another skank who married well. I'm so sick of these women acting like they've got class because they married rich dudes. Like please lady, all you've ever done your whole life is walk around in bikinis because God gave you some prettiness. And then you married rich dudes. Stop acting like fucking Mother Teresa over there. Okay, step down. Oh snap, well I love Yolanda and I just want to see her kind of, I don't know. I just want, I really would just like Yolanda to be mean to Taylor all season long essentially. And I would really just like her in the next episode to put her finger in Taylor's face and go, you are an ugly drunk woman. (laughing) - She probably will. Well my favorite quote I think from the whole thing was Taylor saying, "You know, Brandy, "it's like we can't even invite her anywhere "because the effort comes out." I mean she's just toxic. - She's a ticking time bomb, you know. You are, you are toxic. Look at all those fillers in your face. If you died, you would not decompose. You are the toxic one. You are literally toxic. - There she is. But I, you know, I hate her and I really question why she's even on this show. She has no more storyline. She has no money. She cannot afford to live in this zip code. But, you know, I think that other people agree with us and it will be fun to watch her embarrass herself as a drunk skank for the rest of the season. And hopefully all the women will turn on her and it'll be amazing TV. - Oh yeah, because before the season started airing, all the news reports were that Taylor is just a fall down drunk and-- - Oh, I bet she's more fucked up than Kim is. - Oh yeah, the show has been shielding it. There was a clip of her with Faye Resnick out at Sun Club and they came out and TMZ was standing outside. ♪ And I wasted ♪ I mean, Faye Resnick was holding her, literally holding her up and Taylor wouldn't leave and she's trying to get her to leave and Taylor wouldn't leave and that was, I think in the first season. - Please prefer to her as the morally corrupt Faye Resnick. - Yeah, I'm so sorry. - Don't forget her title, it's like "The Countess Luan de La Sept" it's the morally corrupt. Don't fuck around. - My other favorite part of this episode was Kim, even though I'm going off on Kim for not taking responsibility, I still fucking love Kim. And want all those moments of her trying to figure out what was happening with Brandy. - Hey, well, Brandy, but she said, interesting. (laughing) - I love that the editors will put in a solid minute of Kim just like staring off into space and you can see those little mice running around inside of her brain. - Yeah, asking for air, she can't even put the sentence together. It's so sad, but I fucking of me some Kim Richards. And by the way, who did she like hang out with? Like, how did this whole oh-high situation happen? Because Kim doesn't have a pot to piss in, clearly we saw her making chicken salad with her bare hands for her daughter's prom, last episode, but it's like, how did she lock down this gorgeous place in oh-high? - Well, I think she was making that chicken salad like three hours before they were ready to film and the producers were standing around her living room all awkwardly while she was making them look at pictures of her children. And then she was probably like, oh, I want to be high. And they were like, oh-high. We made people in oh-high. Sure, we'll hook that up. I was like, wait a second, what are you doing? What's that chicken salad? - And they were like, yeah, and then it all happened. And suddenly she's planned a trip to oh-high. We all need a producer in our life. - I am convinced that whenever the producers are at her house, they put a little black piece of gaffers tape over the red record button on the cameras. And so she has no idea that they're filming her and all of these like awkward long silences, like petting food and staring out the window. And then it all just gets revealed when they edit it together. And they're like, oops, sorry, we actually recording all of that awkward shit. I'm convinced. - I just wish, I think that Kim, she's one of the only ones who doesn't have a business yet, right? - Well, her business is taking money from Maurice in order to pay her bills. I think that is considered a business. - I think that she should start a speech writing service. - Hey, everybody, thanks so much for coming to get high. And that's really how to tell. I, you know, we don't need to be at the Olive Garden to make all the branches for each other. So everybody take a branch and let's not be mean to each other, except I don't want to sit by Brandy. She's a cut, but everybody else is like, Jesus, Kim. Focus, focus, Kim. - A-S, Ebad, Yolanda could not handle anymore, but that she just grabbed Kim by the neck and pulled her into her bosom, just a stifle her fucking ridiculousness. - Here, honey, come over here and give me, let me give you a hug and shut you the fuck up. - And I love that she's so friendly with Yolanda, and there's like the two most boring people together. They won't, that's never gonna work. - I don't care, they're my two favorites. - It's like, well, come to my home. I want some pretty hair, wow, what a pretty house. - Yes, this is my home. Oh, look, my son got a haircut. - Oh, wow, handsome. - You're a nice lady. - Yeah, you're nice. I love how you made kids and stuff, that's great. Hey, I made kids too. - Oh, this is wonderful, I drew this house. I draw lots of things. She got any napkins or show you, I can draw stuff. I can draw Amelia West to mess surfing. - That's me, where I learned that it's a story. - Like, what are these two gonna talk about? - Who cares, who cares what they talk about? Oh my God, I love them. - Oh my God, well, we said we were gonna do 10 minutes on each of these shows and it's turned into a lot longer. - Okay, well, we've done enough. Thank you all for sticking around and listening to us rant about the Beverly Hills Housewives, the Atlanta disaster that's going on in Atlanta 'cause it's completely sucking. And we all hope that you enjoyed our chat with Hermione from Silicon Valley. What a show. - Thanks again to Hermione and Nadine Rajab Jabs and we will be back next week with Ben. We miss you, Ben Madelker. - Yes, you, Ben. Also, we will be adding back top chef and million dollar listing next week. 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