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You know, like the sneakers that make office hours feel like happy hour. The boots, the turn-grow-shriyles into runways, and all the styles that show off the many sides of you. From daydreamer to multitasker and everything in between, because you do it all. In really great shoes. Find a shoe for every you at your DSW store or DSW.com. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the count of speaking. We have arrived. Hey everyone, welcome to Watch what Crap is, a weekly podcast about all the crap on Bravo that we love. I'm Ben Mendelker from DSIDeblog.com and joining me this week, as always, is Ronnie Karam from TVGasm.com. Hey Ronnie. Well hello. Cool. And we don't have Matt with field this week, but we do have the one, the only fantastic Michelle Collins. Yay! Hi Michelle. I was waiting for the applause to see us. Hi everyone. How's it going? Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Do I sound too dry? Do I sound like too darier or something? I feel like really weird doing this. We can always give you an effect on your voice after. Could you make me sound like a very high pitched, lovely and lady? That'd be nice. We can auto-tune you. You can sing this whole podcast. Meanwhile, speaking of which, I saw Phantom of the Opera in Vegas on Saturday night. It was so good. I swear it was amazing. I would tell you to see it, but Sunday was the last performance. Vegas. Well, I'm like very darier. Obviously it was terrible, but it was good that, you know? Vegas is a good place to go see shows because they shorten down all the musicals because everybody's like too drunk to watch the whole thing. Is that true? It was perfect. 90 minutes. Yeah, it's usually a three hour long musical. They get to all the hits. It's like watching an episode of Glee. Think of me, Phantom, music of the night. Goodbye. And that's it. It's really great. Okay. Well, I hate to be the chandelier on this conversation to crash into it. Too late. But I have. So let me just get rid of some, take care of some business here at the top of the shows that way people don't forget to follow us all on Twitter. Ronnie is at TV Gazan, Michelle is at Mishkal. I'm at B side blog. The show is at what Crap-ins and the Facebook page for the show is facebook.com/watchworkrap-ins. And you should follow on all platforms because it will enrich your lives. Won't it everyone? Oh, yeah, guys. You're going to know so much about stuff more than more than you could ever imagine. Also, if the quality sounds a little different today is because Ben Jamina is traveling. Oh, yeah. I'm in New York, everyone. So I'm recording with my the internal microphone on my laptop, you know, because I'm a professional like that. And also while I've been in here in New York, I was very hoity-toity and went to the Hamptons this weekend and saw two bravo celebrities. Are you guys who am and I'm shocked. Tommy, you did see Luan. That would be the best. I did not see Luan. I'm sorry to say. Did you see Tomah? No, I didn't see Tomah either. Did you see Tomah's double? I was going to say did you see a Tomah in person? Who happens to just be a Chinese upper person? Did you see Penelope Cruz without taking a shower? Who looks just like Tomah? Working in the ice cream shop. Thank you, Christina, Tomah Solona. Go on. No, the first bravo celebrity that I saw is barely a bravo celebrity. Gail Green, the judge from Top Chef Masters. Oh my God, she's still with us. That really is slang. I know. I like the most interesting thing about that season is seeing if she's going to make it all the way through. I love gail green. It's from Gourmet with magazine, one of them. I think she's from New York, New York magazine. She was at New York magazine for like years and years. I like it's from Gourmet or something. That was the most. I had pickle. I've ever tasted. Ben and I were on Top Chef. Yes. Oh, I saw you ordering from that menu, Michelle. I remember that. You see that? When we busted in, we were the first people in line. Yes. That was a great experience. And every time they rerun that episode, which is quite frequent, I get texts from all sorts of random people. I never get texts from anybody. I'm so angry. No, I like that was one of the funniest days ever. Yeah, that was actually our taping. I was bummed because Gail Green was actually not in the restaurant that day. It was James Osland and Curtis. Yeah. And yet that I made Curtis Stone uncomfortable. Do you remember that? He came over and I was like, so how's your lamb? He really did not like me. Curtis Stone. He's an asshole though. But that's all. That's how he is. He likes anybody. I think he's an asshole. I kind of get the feeling like he's an asshole. He's loosened up a little bit this season on Top Chef Masters. But in general, I find him to be kind of an asshole. What? I know. I'm sorry. Sorry to be the chandelier again. Crashing on the Curtis Stone party. The other bravo star I saw in the Hamptons, the only other one I saw was Miss Kelly Ben-Simone. Oh my god. Jelly beans. That's a big one. She was biking with her daughters. Did you ask her if she would teach you how to be hot? I wish I wish I had. But I was in a car and she was on a bike. And she biked right by with all the speed and vigor of a lady. Go ahead. Sorry, Ann. I was going to say it was the huge horse in her apartment on a bike? Or should a big horse? It's the big way horse in her apartment. It's the one from the from the set of Joey. I actually would not have even recognized her because she was making like a weird face. It didn't even look like her. But the people I was with, they they spotted her immediately. So well guys, we didn't have I'm going to move into Gaspa's out. My story has no arc to it. Same. Like I feel like Kelly Ben-Simone shouldn't be allowed to ride a bike. I feel like it's too dangerous. And now I'm uncomfortable. Yeah. So why don't we go through some housewives gossip, everybody? I want to do it. Yeah, what do we have? I've pressed housewives into Google. And so I'm going to read you the top stories and get your reaction to you guys. Oh, it's exciting. Yeah. Aviva Drescher is not speaking to anybody. And also she said the same Bart's trip involved drugs. Whoa. Well, she can go to hell. I have just about had it with Aviva. I'll tell you that much. Me too. I really have. I don't know. You know, by the way, a fake leg would be a great way to fly drugs into a foreign country. It just occurred to me. For sure. For sure. Well, if you weren't the kind of person to tell everybody 10 times a day that you have a fake leg, it would. But that would work for her. That's a fabulous point. Listen, you know that no one's going to search anyone who has one leg and is listening to Shaka Khan. Okay. She really looks the more you know, I used to think she was pretty. The more I look at her, she looks so muppety. Like just like I can't explain to you like Janice from the muppets kind of through something about her. I know I'm really over it. I feel like she looks like Loretta Switt with so much Botox that it started to sag her facial muscles. Yeah. It's like sagging down. It's like Loretta Switt with it with a dash of like like vintage Darryl Hana. I see that actually. I do. Yeah. I'm not even sure that's too complimentary. She was slightly out of control yesterday. I mean, in a way, she's right because obviously, I also just like Ramona. I mean, you know, if we're like ranking everybody, Ramona is by far the most psychotic of everyone, you know? Oh yeah. But and Sony is another, you know, mental case. But I mean, honestly, at this point, I think Heather is my favorite one. I know it's a girl. Well, we're going to get to New York in a second. I just wanted to say drugs. Sorry. Well, no, no, no, I brought it up. It was first. But before we go all the way there, you guys, Kyle Richards got a guest starring role on CSI. No, as a corpse. I was going to say, yeah, it says, oh, Richards will play. Okay, I'll actually click on it. Come on. We're a really professional podcast. Yeah, you're like, oh, fine. I'll click on the link. We'll research. I think now I was going to have to say he's she was going to play. I just kind of assumed she was going to be lying there. Well, maybe she'll be like a sexy scientist who like does autopsies. Maybe she'll be the girl who marries the hottest guy in America. And everyone's like, how did you do it? That's the mystery I once solved. You're going to be playing Mrs. Or Miss Young, a wealthy, attractive divorcee, who is questioned by Elizabeth shoe after her neighbor is murdered. Elizabeth, that's hilarious. How did that happen? You guys, there's some non-housewise related things. I love you, Elizabeth shoe. I'm tuning in for that. I tell you one thing. I love Elizabeth shoe. Wait, can you imagine how jealous Kim must be? Kyle is going to be, you know what I'm saying? Listen, Kim already thinks she's on an episode of CSI. She's been like reciting lines for like about two months now. She has. Hey, Kyle, what are you doing in the TV? Kyle, come out. Where is David Caruso? Is that he's so long? You must be. They just canceled CSI man. I think. Oh, no. Yeah, I ran him over on Third Street. Did you that would have been a disaster? He like walked out and the ballet brought his white SUV around and he walked right into the street. I almost ran him over and then I was like, that would have been a loss. It would have been. It would have been a huge loss. But you would have been in the news. That would have been cool. But the real housewise, Vicki Gumbelson refuses to discuss cheating. Well, how's that even news? Of course, she never wants. Why would she want to discuss her cheating? Why? Why did someone like did someone go up and be like, so you want to discuss your cheating? And she's like, you know what? I think you know it today. I think I would like to discuss that how I've been totally unfaithful. But she's fearful. What are they saying? She wasn't faithful to Don. Obviously, she's Don is. I'm confused on another link. You just have to guess the rest of the story. Well, that's a wonderful gossip headline, Ronnie. Thank you so much. Yeah, I learned a lot. Asking for the rest of my life. Okay. And also, this is the best one. Real housewise of Atlanta star Nini leaks to host a bravo show. No. I'm over. I'm over Nini. I'm over. Actually, I'm not going to comment on that. See, here's the thing. I'm over. I'm over Nini. And you know, I don't want to get it right because I don't want to burn any bridges with Nini and I'm saying she's a lovely woman. I wish her all the luck in the world. Hell yeah, you'll see Nini in the halls at work. You don't want that bitch attacking you soon. Thank you. She's lovely. Or just fart. That's a lot. I like, oh, sorry. Sorry, Ronnie. No, I was just going to say Nini's really lovely when she's not anywhere near you and can't touch you. Nini has her moments, but she's really just become hideous. I found not putting any words in. What else is mouth? I think it's a little unfair. A little unfair? Why do you think I'm being a little unfair? I don't know. He's never met her. Well, I've never met any of these ladies. I'm sure they're all very nice and realized. That's true. But on TV, though, I mean, he's just sort of like, I don't know. We've never met her. We wouldn't be able to do this. So if that was our role, oh, we have to be so we have to be nice to the house as you guys. We don't know that. I'm sorry. I'm on there. That's where they went swimming, you guys. Didn't they all look so pretty in their swimsuits? Wait, is anyone else having weird audio issues? I just did. Yeah. Yeah, things sounded a little weird. Sorry to the listeners at home. You'll just have to deal with us because, again, we record in very professional ways on laptops. So, okay, let's get to the shows. Yes. Okay, let's talk about it. Yeah, okay. Let's get right into a real house as of New York City. We were on episode two of our big trip down to St. Bart's. This episode was titled "Sluddy Island," which I thought was really funny. Made me laugh so much. Well, first of all, I just got back from Vegas, which is like a slutty landlocked country. Like there's no, it's not an island, but it's close. And I just, it was so perfect, a perfect way to get back into LA life once you're in "Sluddy Island." Well, you know, the thing is this, though. I feel like people in Vegas acted better than they do on "Sluddy Island." Okay, because we started off right where we left off last week, which was that Thomas had shown up at this party, and Luen was still maintaining this ridiculous ruse that she was entertaining a group of Italians night before. So now, this time, at this episode, Ramona is going after Thomas and is trying to get the news out of- Wait, here last night? What did you do last night? Were you here last night? Where were you? Were you in the living room last night? Did you watch our TV last night? Were you in the bedroom? She was literally on him like a fly-on. I mean, it was funny. He luckily, he's so adorable. Yeah, but like she was probably like the worst detective in the history of real housewives detectives. I mean, she could be on- She would never even get a role on CSI with those sort of questions. She sort of like, sort of, settled on up to them, and sort of winged her eye, and kind of thought she could- wing her bulgy crossed eye. Oh, her eyes. Oh, and then I loved that while they're talking to each other, they're both staring at their cell phones. It's like the whole time. They were both staring at their cell phones, and she was badgering him, and he's like, what do you see me? You see me? Because I was at show. You see show? You see my double? Do we- Do we think he had any idea of what was going on in the first place? Do you think that he really slept with Louisa? I mean, I'm sure you guys addressed this, but- Well- Or if it was just done for the show, I feel like that it didn't really happen. Well, here's the thing. I kind of felt like he didn't actually sleep with Louisa, but then when I found out that he was giving anal to Sonya, I kind of thought, maybe it didn't. What? Wait, you didn't see that part of the show? He wasn't giving anal- What do you- I can't even say it. He wasn't- Don't you remember? Carol said she walked in on Tomás. What? Did you get to Sonya up the ass? Shut up! Lane! I just- No. I don't know how to say this, but I walked in and I saw- Well, I don't want to say butt sex, but she's like, "Ahhh!" Her butt was- She said butt, I think. Well, how would Carol walk in on them doing that? That doesn't make sense. Because there are no walks on those doors in that house, I don't think. Oh, wait a second. They went- They were in the pool house, I saw. She heard animal noises. She thought there was like a raccoon that was stuck in the building. No. She didn't let it out. Is that what she said? No, that's just what I'm surmising. I'm literally gonna die. I can't buy any of us. Oh, you kidding? So, she saw them having sex, I missed. No, it wasn't just sex. It was- Sonya was getting- Then sex is sex. That's what I call sex. Anal is no- I'm gonna go ahead and go on. I just say you have to say that because you have the Democratic National Convention on in the background. I obviously watched it. America's been in some videos. I mentioned it earlier. Go on. This was legitimate anal sex, and Tomás was giving it to Sonya, which leads me to believe that Tomás is kind of like A, a freaky-deak, and B, has low standards, which makes you- Or maybe a male prostitute. Have we ever like- Or maybe Sonya's like sticking it into a wet sock, and he just needed something- That is something only a perverted gay man would say. Go straight and whatever say that. Not when a woman is on the podcast. Not when there's a lady. Not when there's a lady. No. Michelle, I totally respect you, though, okay. Thank you. Me and my wet sock are both Sunday. I don't know. Personally, I don't see the big deal with this Tomás guy. I mean, yeah, he's cute, but honestly, the makeup- Isn't the makeup- Wouldn't that sort of be a big turn-off for you, Michelle? Well, okay, here's what I- Okay, I'm glad you brought it up. Here's what I don't understand. He showed up. I thought that was a costume he wore to the bar. Yes. But then he showed up the next day in the same lace-up leather vest and eyeliner. I was like, wait. This is supposed to be like a joke. Like, pull your hair back and like, you know, I don't like eyes with long hair, but when they do that bun, you know, there's like a European bun that can work. Put the bun on, wipe, take a, you know, Neutrogena face wipe to the eyes and show up looking like a man, not like me when I'm hungover, which is exactly what it looked like. You know, and also, here's another question, and this- People were asking this on our little Facebook page, but what's the deal with Sonya's bruise? Do you guys know that she had bruises all up her arm? She's always got bruises all over. She had a big ol' one on her leg, too. I saw one on the leg, yeah. Well, she had one, I saw one, I think I was on her arm. Anal sex bruise, Ben. Anal bruise. He had really bad aim. I think he said he had really bad aim. I'm like, uh, bad aim is the worst. He was trying to have all those sex originally. It just ended up in her butt. One of our readers guessed I was maybe an injury from Hurricane Irene, which I kind of thought that was hilarious. Because you know, Sonya is the only person in New York who was affected by Hurricane Irene. It like, cause no damage anywhere except for her apartment. We're clearly a raptor fella. I hope we're dog. It's a very proud dog, Michelle. Lord. Very proud dog. Well, so much happened in that episode. You know, I'm so used to this season sucking that I, uh, I sat down kind of begrudgingly to watch it. And then the second it came on, I was dying when it was, even when it was showing last week's clips. And I was like, I gotta pop some popcorn. So I pressed pause and I ate a whole tub of popcorn watching that shit just laughing, spitting little bits of popcorn. I actually watched the show with my mom and my mom hates reality TV. And she especially hates these real house web shows. And I actually, she didn't say much during the show because she was sort of like just aghast. But I did write down some two of her quotes. Um, let me bring the first, um, somewhere midway through, she just turned me and said, it's so stupid. It's unbearable. And then, and then she was, and then she said at one point, this is what low class privilege girls do when they're 16. And then at the end, she goes, she, I think my dad came in the room as I was leaving. And my mom turned to him and said, it was awful, truly awful. Well, I looked, I met your parents and they are the definition of highbrow. Your parents are so highbrow. My parents are extremely lowbrow. My first loves the show. I've been at the blush today. I'm sure my mother would have had a lot to say. Oh, that's too bad that she hadn't see it because I know. I know. She always has the funniest comments about it. I used to, uh, without her knowing, I used to transcribe what she was saying about the show and then post them to best week ever where I used to blog. And they were, I mean, my mother is psychotic, but the funniest. She hates Aviva. Hey, it's Ramona. Heather, the way she talks about that face. When Heather broke her nose last week on the window, you should have heard, you don't even know, you don't even know. You know, one of the Facebook readers also left a funny comment, which is that Heather, if you look at it, Heather looks like one of the sharks from Finding Mimo. That's very funny. No, she looks like one of the snake people on Rocco's modern life. There was like, but that sounds hilarious. What? The Nickelodeon cartoon, Rocco's modern life? Ronnie. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I think she looks like, I think she looks like a pantomime artist, because she puts so much white makeup on, but only on her face. I feel like she's always trapped in a box. What's your take on, uh, read? Um, you know, I feel like reading seems like a nice guy, and I feel like he looks like super Dave Osborne. He looks like any number of men I might see at like synagogue, you know? Yes. She's like, has the generics synagogue look, you know, like you could imagine him like talking about something over a bagel and talking about how great services were earlier that day, you know? What is it with men? What is it with men who are so turned on by neurotic women? I just, it's like he has this big smile on his face. The whole time on the plane with stupid Aviva's like, I can't do this. I can't concentrate. I need to listen to music. And he's like, Oh, you're doing great, honey. Oh, you're wonderful. Kiss, kiss. Oh, you're so wonderful. And take care of her. You know, she's like, uh, damsel in distress. You know, why don't you take care of her? And I don't mean to jump ahead a little bit in the, in the timeline here, but like when Aviva was clearly freaking out, uh, once you got to the villa, why don't you pull her aside for five minutes and say, look, you know, like, just enjoy yourself. Who cares? Like, stop freaking out. I don't need these women to compliment me. Let me do my work and enjoy yourself. Why don't you do that? He's kind of a pussy in that way. Now, let me tell you what really I thought was over the top already. Aviva freaked at them. Fine. But then to beg them to go upstairs and apologize to read. Like what that to me was like on a different level. I mean, it's she's very, I don't find her intelligent at all. Aviva. I think she's kind of stupid. She went to Vassar and she is. Oh, please. I will be not. She speaks. I went to Vassar. It's like a declare a female. I mean, she is. I know 20 languages. I've memorized a Rubik cube. I can pass Lara Croft in two days. It's like, shut up, Aviva. No one buys. I also like, she, um, was like, look, I already lost my leg in, uh, an accident. So the odds are clearly not on my side. Like, I like, you've also never done anything of worth in your entire life and you're completely wealthy with like millions of dollars. So I would say that luck is pretty much on your side, bitch. Stop your wine. She's bone skinny. Go on. Well, I also like how, um, I also like how she's talking about the, the flight when he's like, well, it's okay. This plane can float. Like, if it were to, you know, it's okay. And she's like, well, float means crash, crash means die. You know, I like how, like, her brain goes right there immediately, you know, although mine would do probably. Aviva just doesn't have enough of a personality for a real storyline. And she's just going to milk this fear of everything to death. Well, I, so what, why don't we get into this whole Aviva thing a little bit more, which is why don't we like talk, why don't we give some background as to what this whole fight was? So, okay, let's do the fight right now. Okay, if you guys want to be, who do you guys want to be in the fight? Oh my God. I kind of want to be Luan. Yes. Well, no, because Bueller has to be Luan because she doesn't say anything. She just sits there and looks like, I want to know, but I'm smirking. I just want to listen to you while I smirk with the shitting grin on my face. And then at the right time, you, you stir the pot. How did Vermona also? Okay, let's, I'm jumping ahead. That's okay. I'll be Luan and maybe Sonya. I'll be Sonya. I'll be Sonya. And then Ben, do you want to be Ramona or Aviva? Well, I'll be Aviva because if I'm Ramona, I have to yell calm down. And I feel like my parents in the room will be so confused as to why I'm yelling calm down. Okay, so you have anything negative to say about Reed? Who said anything negative? That's ridiculous. We were just in the pool. What are you talking about? The one who said, Luan was the one who said that it would change everything if your husband came. Oh, no, excuse me. That's not what I said. Don't you go roping me into this. That's not what I said. Excuse me. Excuse me. You're both evil people. Oh, calm down. No, I will not calm down. You're yelling. You're yelling. You're yelling. Okay, you know what, Reed and I are going to a hotel. We're going to a hotel. We're going to a hotel. I heard you are mean person. Guys, this is guys. It's just touching me out. There's a listener. I think we need to stop this. I'm sorry. It's like, it went too far. It went too far. This is what that was. A master class in Ben hasn't taken an improv class. Let's send this into your UCB audition video. I'm sure they will. You guys, I am so good at improv. Was not so impressive. Okay, so for real, the issue was that Aviva, who is scared of everything on this earth, managed to get herself down to St. Bart's with the assistance of Reed. And when she arrived, Ramona and Sonia were drunk and swimming in a pool topless. And everyone went to greet Aviva. But of course, Ramona and Sonia were in the pool. And they waved high and they said hi from the pool. But that was clearly not good enough for Aviva. And later on, the three women plus the land were sitting around the kitchen. And Aviva says, do you have anything negative to say about Reed being here in St. Bart's? Let me say one thing. They weren't nice when he showed up. No. Yeah, they could have been a little friendlier. But you know, it's all right. Yeah. Well, no, that was going to be my question also was so. I'm sorry. Did they? No, it's fine. But did they, Ramona and Sonia, like, what, how should they have greeted Reed and Aviva? Well, she just already knew that they were being bitches about it. Because well, first of all, they were naked in front of her husband when she didn't mind. Absolutely. That by the way, was put a bikini on, you know, they're coming. Right. So you're going to be in the pool. There's such two Corvas, which is, I think Yiddish or Hungarian for whores. Corvas to the bone. These women, I mean, the way they behave, truly, it's despicable. If I was their daughter watching my mom act like that, I would die of embarrassment, you know? Yeah. That's the other thing, especially watching that with my mom. I'm like, I couldn't imagine my mom doing that. Could you imagine like your mom being like topless in a pool on TV? Like constantly hitting on each other. It's just so weird. It's like, they're, they're so love-starved. You know what I mean? Yeah. Milly with the dog must have been embarrassed. He's a very proud dog. He must have been mortified. One of the best, one of the best scenes ever on that show. This is about the children who lost their leg, whoever she said. Anyway, it's gone. It's a very proud dog. Yeah. I mean, those two are horrible people, but we all know that they're horrible people and everyone else had fun on that trip until stupid Aviva came. Right. So clearly, I mean, it seemed to me that Aviva was looking for a fight. She could have just dropped it and enjoyed herself, but she was looking for a fight. Do you guys agree? Yeah. Big time. She was probably stressed out from the flight. She showed up and she felt uncomfortable. I think that they probably were not as welcoming as she wanted them to be. She wanted them to do backflips and they didn't. She literally wanted a party. She actually said at one point, she's like, I, I wanted a party. I thought if there'd be a party. Well, you know, I'm on the phone and Heather and Carol are begging me to come. So Reed did us all a favor. Everyone thank Reed for bringing me. It's like, fuck you. Fuck you. How about you? You know, how about you? How about you, man, a medication that takes care of your illness before we thank your husband? Yeah. Thanks so much for coming to this free trip to St. Bart's and this gorgeous mansion on the beach. Yeah. Thanks for doing this that favor. You ate all my God. I mean, I mean, that's the thing. I would say that maybe she put her foot in her mouth. But anyways, then well, here's the thing. She's acting like Reed was really put out by this whole thing. And it's like, I mean, it's like Ronnie said, he's down in St. Bart's. Is this really the worst thing in the world? Like they said hi to him. They really probably just wanted to masturbate by the ocean. He's like, I've got some emails to answer. I just, I just want some time by myself. Take my wife away from me, please. Five minutes. He was, he actually did not seem happy to even be interacting with any of the women. He just looked like he wanted to crawl into a hole and get out of the way. Which by the way, his wife is probably always pulling him into drama. Yeah. And considering that these these housewives trips that happen every single season on every single one of these shows, they're always asking me a girl's trip and then a husband comes along. This is the first time her husband looked like he actually wanted to remove himself from the absolutely and Aviva should have just thanked her lucky stars and just been like, great, no conflict. Let's just move on. Yeah. I mean, look, Ramona, obviously those two were being totally rude. They went and looked for a different place preparing for the ride. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. That was, I mean, they're just obnoxious. Yeah. I don't understand how these women exist in real life. Like, how do they think that any of this behavior is acceptable on any level at any time? It took a lifetime to find the person you want to marry. Finding the perfect engagement ring is a lot easier. 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I mean, there's a reason why they're on television. When you have a housewife who's a little bit boring, honestly, as much as we love Carol, she doesn't really bring the drama. She's just sort of like, she's us basically in the show. She's just watching everything go down and sort of like, "What the hell is this?" If they weren't this insane, they wouldn't be on TV. But I kind of miss Kelly. A little bit miss Kelly. I'm not going to laugh. By the way, I absolutely loved. After this whole fight, the first round of it settled down. So when he has an attempt to make good with the video. Oh my god. When she hugged her, that was the funniest shit ever. She's like, "I'm just going to hug you right now. That's going to fix everything." But you know what she was right to be. I have to say that I was impressively, not impressed, but I related, let's say, to Sonya's reaction later when she cried and she was like, "I feel very hurt and betrayed." I've had that happen with people before where, you know, you feel a certain level of trust. You know, someone for a long time. And then they attack you like that for really what appears to be no reason to come ask someone like that, to call their white trash. I mean, listen, we know their white trash, but that's not the time to call it. You know what I mean? There are other better, appropriate times. That really wasn't the right response. And I'm like her. The way I react once that happens is I can't go back to the friendship like it was. It's very hard for me. I'm hurt. And I feel like there's a level of trust that was kind of broken there. So in a way, the friendship is broken, you know? And it was sort of like out of left field. And this was actually so prototypical of a housewives fight where I'm totally torn. Because when Aviva says that they're both white trash, I'm like, "Yes, Aviva is totally right." But then I'm like, "Wait, but Aviva is acting crazy right now. Like, which side do I take in this?" And then I just sort of want to like hide under a pillow or something, you know? Then you're, you're robotic for me a little bit. I didn't say anything of no, don't worry. No, no, no. Listen, I just babble. This is what I do. I get on here and I talk. You're a little waning. You're a little waning a little bit. My dream has come true. Well, you know, Aviva did say, "Oh, I regret my choice of words." But then even at the restaurant, she's doing everything she can to start a fight this time. Like she's just a horrible person. And you know, you guys, I know that we're all big personalities. And if we ever get in a fight, I don't care what you say to me, but please do not talk to me like I'm five years old. I really hate that she does that when she's in a fight. She's like, "We do not approve of this behavior." Ronnie, you're not like this. It's like, "Who are you? Give me a frickin' apple." And how about her? I'll bring up her disgusting dirt bag father. That's who creates an idiot. A disgusting sex-sarved... I hate her father. Her father, to me, you want to talk about being embarrassed. Yeah. Well, what about her? She's not. She's like thinking it's hilarious, bringing you on TV. That is really the guy should go behind bars. He's like a frickin' cop. Set him up with people. And then she's like the very next week. She's all offended at what they're talking about at the dinner table. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, well, no wonder why she wound up with the biggest man whore of Manhattan, with this hairy guy, you know? Like, of course, she's like, "This is what happens when you have a pervert for a father." Her father really is a pervert, Lord. Now, what did you guys think about Luann and all this? We mentioned her before, but I thought it was hilarious because Luann is sitting there sort of smiling, enjoying... She was smiling. And then when things, I guess, weren't hot enough for Ramona, Luann just happily just like throws her right under the bus. Well, there's nothing better in the world. The best feeling is when other people are fighting and you're not involved. There is... I gotta tell you something. I went to Vegas a few months ago, and there were a group of girls that I was with. Two of them got into a fight over one kind of flirting with the other one's boyfriend. People were crying. I mean, it was honestly, and me and a friend of mine were laughing. We're like, "This is the greatest, biggest trip of all time." To be, you know what I mean? To watch this shit go down and know that no repair questions, like, you're not involved whatsoever. So I totally get where Luann is coming from. Like, that is kind of the best feeling. And the best part is that Luann was totally using Ramona's words against her, wherein she was like, "Well, I'm just being honest. I'm just saying what other people are thinking." You know? Like, "Oh my God." This was Luann's moment. She was so happy after being, like, beat up about the stupid wine thing for the past few weeks. She could finally get in and throw Ramona back under the bus. Well, I'm also getting beat up for cheap, blatantly cheating on her boyfriend that the night before. Oh my God, a group of Italians. I wonder what the Italians had to say about that. Mom, mommy. Yeah. Yeah, super marryable. You had an affair with Tomah. Like, I can only please cut this out of the podcast. You want to talk about your dad improv? So go to my Italian accent. All right. Anyways... Anyway, I feel like that's most of New York. We can also talk about the fact that Sonya and Ramona had those two guys on the boat hold up towels that we shielded from the sun. Yeah, they're really... I wrote these guys that way. They're nice. Those two ladies are pretty disgusting. And I, you know, it shows you how disgusting they are that they finally are getting to Carol. I mean, you cannot crack Carol. You can't say anything. It's like everyone around her is drop dead. She's been through every tragedy that you can ever go through. And they're finally cracking her with their bullshit. At the end, she's sitting in front of the mirror like, "What the hell?" Little cracks are starting the show. I love it. Oh, Carol. Well, she's gonna apparently break down next week. So we have that to look forward to. Yeah. I gotta say, whoever cuts the previous for the show is a genius. Oh, yeah. It's not like on Mad Men where you're like, you know, they show like random sentences random just like shut the door and then a fly dies. And that's it. Here we get some meat. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, I agree. I am I'm looking forward to this. I have to say, I feel like this this vacation so far is has been great. I mean, I love the vacations. Yeah. I mean, honestly, the New York City housewise throw a great vacation. You know, nothing can ever top Scary Island. But and then there was Morocco, which was fantastic. And this has been this has been wonderful. Yeah, this saved the season, I thought, because the season's been really lame. But the season started out very slow. I agree. I think the season picked up after they had that preview of what's coming up later in the season. I think that's when they sort of re-edited or something because since then every episode has been a hundred percent crazy. Yeah. About me. All right. So shall we move on to our other favorite show, Gallery Girls? Of course. Oh, okay. That girl is a model. Just Gus. In Japan. Japan. Let's, you know what I always like to say about me is that I'm huge in Japan, literally. I'm sweet, tall for your listeners out there. You don't know me personally. What's her name is Chantal? Chantal. She has moments where she actually can look pretty when she doesn't have the big red lips on. Yes. She can look okay, but I mean, if you saw the face I was making, like with the model, you know, her body looks like a candy cane. It just sort of like slopes over and curves down, you know. Yeah, she gets like, she's, if I was in elementary school with that girl, I'd be like scoliosis, just like boy matter. You'd be like, whoa, whistle. Get her check with scoliosis. Remember when we see the exams? Oh, yeah. Chantal is like universally, like, she continues to be, I think, one of my least favorite on the show. And yet she's hilarious. Everything that she says is absolutely ridiculous. Oh, she's definitely not my least favorite on the show. Yeah, I like her. Not by a mile. Yeah. I think she's really funny. Well, I like this. You'd love to fix yourself laughing. I like this. Well, the fact that she makes herself laugh is what redeems her for me. You know, in fact, I was noticing it that this week, this week, she was made a few like kind of ridiculous statements, but she laughed afterwards and it kind of like made it a little better for me, you know? Yeah, I think about a, oh, no, you guys dance moms isn't on. Well, why is this recording? Well, that's because Abby Lee Miller is at the Democratic National Convention. That's very funny. She's going to come on after Michelle Obama. She's wearing Tuckoon. Anyways, so I guess I'll change the channel, put on America's Got Talent or something. That's a gallery, girls. Chantal, what about her boyfriend? Wait a second. Oh, that's a weird situation. Well, I think guys like that get laid all the time because I do do improv. It's like those guys with, you know, who never bathe, they're kind of like, like, I don't, I'm trying to think of a non biggity way to say it, but they're kind of like, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was not talking to two Jews, but they're kind of like those Jewish menchy guys who never really take a shower and we're plaid. We got a column of Charles and Jew. That's kind of candy bar. He's all right. You know, I'm as a Jew. I'm not into Jewish guys, so I don't get the appeal of a guy like that, you know, but I would also marry like an Irish Catholic drunk, you know, so we have our problems. But what's the other girl's name? The tall one, the aunt $15,000 Claudia. Yeah, she to me could be cut from the show tomorrow. Like, I don't even know what she brings. She brings nothing. She's the most normal out of all of them. Well, I think if they're like trying to sell art more, I think that would be better or like dealing with artists more because that was one of my favorite parts of the show. How much do you charge? I don't know. It depends. Well, what percentage do you take? I don't know. Like, and then she just stares at a wall. She really, she's like Mrs. Dalloway or something like this, something. I don't even know what that reference means. I think it makes any sense to look at the Wikipedia. Listen, the point I'm trying to make is she's a plain Jane. I think she should be a lawyer like on one of those made in Jersey shows where it's like a beautiful girl's a lawyer. She should go back to Illinois and open up like a specialty shop where she sells weird things like a bird's nest that she found on the side of the street. You know, like, you just want like, she'll have a bucket instead of a cash register and you just throw in whatever you want. She should open up a lemonade stand, you know, just enjoy life from the enjoy life on the side of the road. She's all right. The other one is the Asian one. She's fine. Great ponytail. Very jealous of the girl's ponytail. And I looked up that store she mentioned. International playground where she bought the crazy the dinosaur dress or whatever. Yeah, that looked like Rudy on the Cosby show when she wore the dinosaur sweater. Remember that episode where she wanted to wear her special dress? And Claire said she couldn't but Cliff said she could remember this one. And then she couldn't wear it and she slowed dance with it around her room to a Ray Charles song. What a great show. Anyways, it was exactly like that sweater. It's a very funny store. But she's obviously nuts and annoying. Her gay doesn't have enough screen time, I say. Not girl. No, you're great. Girl, you're great. You're great. And go on. No, I thought it was funny when those all those hipster girls, they decided to throw a sorority potluck, which was really a caddy thing to do. You know, you know, you know, I love how they pretend like they're not caddy, but they're more caddy than the supposed caddy girls. Oh, very caddy. Yeah, but I loved how like they dress in like their their sorority girl stuff. And then Chantal shows up just in all black. Oh, those girls are such idiots. They're idiots. I love that chalashat. I love that party. I want it to go. I I personally I was cracking up during Kerry's whole housewarming party as Liz and Maggie sat there on the futon at the snotiest things. They were being such assholes. It's so funny, but for some reason Liz is almost she's such an asshole that I kind of love it. Like Liz, I like, you know, she I don't know. And you know, she's a Miami girl. I see you guys know I'm from Miami. And now we found out that what's her name, Amy is also from Miami, which explains my dislike because I hate almost everybody from Miami. It's the reason why I left the second I was holding up, I was out of there. Now, I know Maggie listens as far as I've heard to this podcast. Is that correct? She is probably listening right now. You know, so I don't want to be mean because I know she's listening. So I'm going to be careful. She and Nina leaks are listening together. No, you see, that's why she says she listens. So that's actually very clever. But I'm just going to tell it like it is because I don't think I'll be working. We've said some we've said some terrible things about Maggie. And she seems pretty cool with it all. So go ahead. Okay. Her mannerisms make me want to break my television. The constant hair touching. And that makes me crazy. Stop pulling out your hair. Constantly flipping the hair, the hair, the hair, the hair every two minutes. I would hate to eat anything she's cooked because you know what I'm going to be fishing out of my mouth. And there's something about her that really rubs me the wrong way. She's very meek, but also bitchy. There's something I really, not a fan. I mean, she I'm sure she's lovely. I'm sure if I ever met her, she's like cute or whatever. But can I really like that she's completely unenthused about everything. I mean, it's her birthday. She's like, it's my birthday. I have to say, her talking had things are very funny. I will give her credit. They are funny. I like, I was just going to say, I mean, I agree with you like about how she's totally over everything. The baby, the baby voice thing, Maggie, if you're listening, you got to stop with the baby voice. She has a lot of these mannerisms, which maybe she grew up thinking that this would make her girly. Like, I could feel like she's trying to be very like jappy girly something there. It's atrocious. What do you think about her boyfriend and then also her boyfriend's friends? Love the boyfriend's friend, the hot one that Amy wanted to fuck. Uh huh. I would never have been so bold with him because that's the kind of guy that would, he wouldn't even date rate me. No, that guy like, I would have no interest in it. It makes sense. But he's hot. Yeah. Her boyfriend's an ape animal, you know, whatever. I think the boyfriend is kind of attractive. I've said before, but yeah, boyfriend's on my style. I think all the guys, I expected them to be like douchebags and beat up the gay guy. And when they turned out to be really cool with him, and then they were talking about how maybe one of the guys would fuck the gay guy, I started to like him because I was like, wow, the youth of America is really changing. I like that, you know. And then I liked when they were bowling. I thought a lot of them were really cute. And the boyfriend seems nice, but they don't seem right together. I think in New York, there's like a different thing for guys. It's like if the guys work out, then they're hot. That's all they have to do is do some pushups, right? Yeah, you cut me. You just said that the guys just have to do pushups and they're considered hot. Oh, it's so, oh, please. So easy for guys. I was in Vegas this week, and I'm telling you they were all animals, but like half of them had six packs. And they didn't look bad. They don't look bad. Vegas is one of those places that everybody's hot. Like everybody works out, and they're all too. I mean, well, not all of them, but you know, you know, there's definitely the contingent where everyone has those bodies. Like, where did you come from? What town? Well, yeah. I ate a slice of pizza's day for lunch, and I feel fat, and I'm not going to be showing my head in Vegas anytime soon. Well, I bought trying Vegas in a pair of Spanx. I felt like it looked great. The three hottest guys that I saw, they're all looked at me. So I felt great about it. They were hot, not in a Vegas way, though. You know what I mean? Like in a New York way. Oh, that's nice. Like the guy like the guy that that Amy wants. With the boyfriend or the friend? Yeah, the friend. What's this? Well, the friend is like, no, no, no, that guy looks like a, I didn't mean in New York. He'd like that. Oh, that guy looks like a stockbroker asshole, like a hot Wall Street asshole. Right, right, right. I love that. I love it. Wait, let's talk about Amy for a second here. For Amy. I feel, you know, for Amy, I feel so bad for this girl. I feel, Amy, I feel, I feel like, how do I explain it? She poor thing, you know, she's not a pretty girl. And she's got to know it. And to put someone like that on TV around pretty girls, prettyish girls, who shit on her, yeah, is just terrible. Yeah. And by the way, you know, Liz said one of the reasons why she doesn't like associating with Amy is because Amy gets wasted and Liz went through rehab. Hello, I saw Liz drinking wine on this episode. I don't know, I don't know what sort of rehabs you went to, but if you're admitting, if you're admitting on TV that you're a cokehead, you were probably doing heroin. So a glass of wine is like, you know, I think it's all off limits. I think cigarettes is really the only thing you should be, you're supposed to be doing if you've gone through rehab. Just, oh, yeah. But I mean, I think that I think the alcoholism is definitely better than heroinism. That's very, by the way, tweet that profound, profound message, literal. Did you just come up without running? That's like a level of brilliance. That's like Oscar wild shit. hilarious. That's one of those lines that should be on the show. You guys, I think that, you know, it's like, I quit smoking, but I'm still gonna keep smoking pot and I don't feel guilty about it. You know, it's like, I go step down. Yeah. All right, steps. Either way, I thought it was like so awkward and sad when Amy shows up at this gallery with these cupcakes. And it's like, maybe if you have like, like some time off, like, maybe you might want to meet me for some coffee and I don't know that like, I'll be around the corner. I'll just be sitting there. That's the reason why the Jews never fought back during the war. People like Amy to meet. Yeah, I mean, you know what I'm saying? I'm in jail. I'm in jail. I always like to say in a case, we'll get nervous. Meanwhile, Liz is like, they're not even gluten free. What sort of friend is she that she doesn't even know that I can't eat gluten? She's like, my apartment's nicer, but hers is huge. Gluten free people are the human worst. If you ever, if you, oh, gluten, if they call themselves glue tarts, which is actually funny, but people who can't eat gluten, it's all they'll talk about. They're like, oh, if I eat that, like a bagel, you push away. And I love that it's like a totally latent disease that just happens to come on you at some point in your life. Like, all of a sudden you're gluten free. My sister is gluten free now. It's like, when, when the hell did that happen? You're in your 30s. She's like, if I even touch a thing, if I have that cracker, I'm going to be sick for a week. I'm going to have headaches. I'm going to faint. I'm going to. It's a fancy Atkins diet. It's fancy Atkins. Let's call it what it is. Come on. Yeah. You guys, you know what I want to buy? Side note, what? Censa. What is Censa? You mentioned earlier to me. It's a powder that you sprinkle on food and you say it sounds like fake sugar. You eat less of it. No, no, no. They made a big mistake with the name because I agree, I kept thinking it was like sort of salt sugar. Yeah. No, it is. They in many experiments, ones where people knew what it was and where people didn't. The average weight loss in six months is 30 pounds. What? Oh, where do you get this? I'm looking it up right now. Amazon.com, girl, I'm a prime member. Okay, look, I put Censa in and the first thing that comes up is Censa. Warning. Do not try Censa until you read the shocking facts. That website doesn't work. I clicked on it. See if it loads for you. It won't. Oh, I don't know. I'm probably killed it. Yeah, it works. It says how effective is this product? Censa is a weight loss product body, body, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hold on. I'm waiting to see where like bleeding out the eyes. No, no, no oily stools. I'm telling you. Weakness of Censa. Censa is expensive. There is no recommendation for healthy diet or exercise and results may take three to six months. That's it. I'll take it. Girl. Yes. No recommendation for exercises on bonus. I think this is terrible for you. You lose weight without exercising or eating healthy. Sing them. Yeah, sounds good to me. I don't know. I'm nervous. Nelly. I wouldn't. I wouldn't have it. All right. Well, I'm going to get thin, but the point I was trying to make is the girls on the show were so thin, except for Amy. Poor Amy. She's like, I wonder where to get cupcakes in New York City. Don't act like you don't know, Amy. Oh, poor Amy. Girl, she knows. No. I just, I, that's such an awkward conversation where someone's like, do you have a problem with me? Like, what are you supposed to say? I just don't like you. You're a horrible human being. I think you should have been reported. I don't like you. Get out of my face. Yeah, of course. And she's just too meaty. You know, it's. She is. I don't know. She should have left for her. She should have left for her. She should have left for her. Enough alone and had some self respect as to not like, she should first of all recognize that she does not have a true friendship with Liz, but they went to preschool together and that's it. Side note, I was talking Amy today and I went to her Facebook page and she has two profile pictures. One is her the way she is now and one is her when she's like five years old and she's in a little red dress that says Amy on it and she is cute as a button and but she's also the sort of girl you can see that probably got teased every single day of her life and I felt so bad. You should look up the picture. It's hilarious. What's your last thing? Um, holy, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, holy, holy, I have no idea what's happening. You have to cut that out. I kind of am on TV. I don't have it. I don't have it on TV. It's changed her name. It's like Amy Palinti. Well, you know, when Amy first came on the show and she's like, oh, you don't like me because I'm from the Upper East Side and I dress nice. Sorry. Like that kind of she looks like Jill Zaren. She's the muppet baby's Jill Zaren. I set up before I'll say it again. With a little bit of Melanie hustle in there. A little a dash. I feel like if Liz was friends with her, if she did hang out with her, Amy would just throw shit and be hateful behind Liz's back and yes. Yes. Yes. So I think it's a good move to just get rid of her. You would think that Liz would actually hang out with Amy because it's like that you like it's a social psychology thing of basking and the reflected glory. Like there's always like an attractive girl who always has a really unattractive friend because it makes the attractive girl look more attractive and then the unattractive friend gets too basking and the reflected glory of her attractive attractive friends. You'd think that they would be a total match, but I guess not. I see Amy as a little girl. Do you see it? I can't lie. I'm not looking. She's okay. I know. I really hope she listened. I hope she doesn't. I don't know. She tweeted at me today twice. So I don't know if she's listening or not. Well, let's put it this way. Amy is better than that. Yeah. Amy, have some self respect. Yeah. Until next week, when you look like a total asshole and start giving orders to someone who's not working for you, but otherwise you seem semi-nice. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Maybe she should hear this. Maybe this hideous person should hear this. This is a podcast intervention for Amy. Yeah, I always feel bad. I mean, I've said it before on this podcast, but I feel bad talking about the girls because it feels like they're kids and they're so insecure and stuff. Like I like making fun of the old ladies better. Well, maybe one of old ladies is always 10 times more fun in general, but I think they should know better. But the kids, I'm like, Oh my God. I mean, they're at least on TV. What was I doing when I was 20? You know, not that. Yeah, you were doing porn. Yeah, that's right. We're not. So I was. Have you seen my baby arm? I think we're actually wrapping up. I mean, there's nothing really left. No kidding. I don't think there's much left talk about gallery girls. I mean, we didn't talk about Angela that much, but she didn't do that much, except, you know, her typical. She admitted she was a shoplift. Oh, I could not believe. If I own Barney's, I would rather fucking call the police on her. I thought she was joking. Absolutely not. Oh, they're going to put facial recognition software in there and catch her ass. It's like, they have all Asian look the same. All right. Sorry. Bad joke. Bad joke. By the way, it's going to get pulled into security. I did think it was kind of like when Angela saw Liz's tattoo sleeve and she was like, you know, at first, I thought she was just like, Oh, I know, like some that it does some catty, like all those OC girls, then she had the tattoo and makes me think that she might be cool. I'm like, you are such a fucking catty bitch. Like, you see one tattoo and now all of a sudden she's cool. I hate upstairs. Yeah. And she's out in tattoos. She can't even be buried in a Jewish cemetery. But you guys, Angela is doing a whole photo show based around donuts. Do you want a favor? Could you imagine you were going to see a photo show and like the photos were put together like the night before when she went walking around the deli, you know, like, that's oh my god, it's like a project runway challenge. Like, you don't have to go around the city and take pictures and they'll make a dress. This bitch can't even make a fucking dress. It's a curler. Wow. I'll pay $20,000 for that picture of a crow. She's gonna. I tell you what I would buy if she had a painting called Crueller Deville. Still got it. All right, got it. Still got it. You catch Michelle and the cat skills for the rest of the season. Oh shit, you should see my dog skills. Oh shit. She ain't done. All right. Okay. Bye everybody. Okay. I think I think we are wrapping up. I mean, I don't think there's really much else to talk about. I think we've been talking for more or less an hour. You know, give or take. It's okay, we don't have to have we don't have to fill up a full hour because we went crazy long last. There's a bug in the house. That's that's the bug that that arrives to symbolize the end of the bug. That's very sweet. That's maps. That's the bug for Matt's house that came up to her house. What's your bug in Matt's house? This is not a big one. Oh yeah, Matt Whitfield had a spider. This is a flying insect. You should have seen the bugs I saw this weekend. Crazy things. All right. Well, guys, I have a case of skinny cows in the freezer. I got to get to them. But this is an extra pleasure. Can you hear me? Oh yeah. Thanks so much for coming on, Michelle. Thanks for stopping me in. It was fun. Thanks everyone for listening. You can find Ben @ beside blog. You can find me @tvgasm. You can find me @misscall, m-i-c-h-c-o-l-l. Thanks. And follow us @whatcrapids and we're on Facebook. facebook.com/watchwatchcrapids. Love you everybody. Bye. 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