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This episode of Watch What Crapins is brought to you by GameFly. Go to gamefly.com/forward-haha for your free 15-day trial. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the Countess Speaking. We have arrived. ♪ She's Taylor B. ♪ ♪ Sibon, Sibon ♪ ♪ She's Taylor B. ♪ ♪ Sibon, Sibon ♪ ♪ She's Taylor B. ♪ ♪ Sibon, Sibon ♪ Hey everyone. This is Watch What Crapins, a weekly podcast devoted to all that crap on Bravo. I'm Ben Mandelker from VisaBlog.com and joining me as always is Matt Whitfield from Yahoo TV. Hi, Matt. Hey, Ben. What's up? Not much and Rani Karam from TV Gasm. What's going on, Rani? Hey, hey everybody. Okay everyone, so joining us now is a very special guest, our first ever actual Bravo Liberty. Ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only Jill Zarin, formerly of the Real House Eyes of New York City. Hey, Jill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like being the first. You're a pioneer on our podcast. I do. I do. I like it. Trailblazer. I'm a player. Trailblazer. Well, you know, I'm alive. That's good. What is going on? I'm just hanging. I'm just having a good time. I'm home in the city. Home is in the city this week today and my daughter's home from college and working the summer in Manhattan. So it's nice for me to come and visit her once a week. That's nice. Okay, well, okay. Isn't that nice to me? Yeah. And no, just hanging and hanging in bed today. Working from home. Speaking of Ali, can you give us a quick update? How are Ali? How are Bobby? Your mom, your sister ginger? We got to love all of you guys. We need an update on everybody. Matt has a poster. I don't know if you love this all, but at least you got to know us all. You know, we're bad and ugly. Bad and ugly. Good, bad and ugly. It's all good. You and your mom needed to spin off, but that's a whole nother. That's a whole nother podcast. So why don't you tell you who to? I'll tell you who to write to afterwards. Just kidding. Okay, starting with Bobby. Well, you know, we're like a text that the hips still are happily married. Even more happily now that I've been introduced to Fifty Shades of Grey. And I'm in love with that book series. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How long? Actually, I should never say that word again after this one. Yeah. I don't know who I'm talking about. It will be ruined that word for me. I can't remember. It's ruined forever. Okay, so that word is ruined forever. So Bobby is great and healthy. Healthy, wealthy and wise, all good. And then my beautiful daughter, Ali, she's got a summer job at AOL. She's working on the Heidi Clem website. Okay. She is the one responsible for putting together all of Heidi's favorite things and editorially writing the descriptions and doing the editing of the photo shopping and all that stuff. So what I give advice to, you know, I speak at a lot of colleges and I give advice to young people, graduating students. I don't care where you go with the exception of, let's say, Harvard, any other college, you know, if you kind of doesn't matter what degree you get, it doesn't matter what your SAT scores were or how well you did, you have to learn Photoshop and you have to know how to do some programming when you graduate college if you want to get a decent job. Sounds like a good advice. Doesn't matter how smart you are. It doesn't matter how good you are or what your skill is. If you don't know how to do photo, if you do know how to do Photoshop or you do know how to do website programming, you're going to get a better job. You really want to make yourself look cuter in pictures to get a decent job. You shouldn't know how to run your own blog and things like that. You really said that that's sort of the future. Life lessons. Look what you guys are doing. Look at what you guys are doing. Look at what we're doing. If I'm hiring people and they have that talent, they have an edge over somebody who got better grades than you did in school. I don't care what classes you took. How is your role? She has to keep doing it. She goes back and I'll go through the whole band and she goes back to college in a couple of more weeks. So hopefully in August she will stop working and come spend some time with mommy in the hands of them and because I won't see it till Thanksgiving once she goes to school. She goes to school up in Tuckahoe though. It's not that far away. No, no. She's transferred out of Sarah Lawrence now. She goes to Vanderbilt. Time for Bobby to buy some racehorses down in Kentucky. I'm in on that. A girlfriend of mine, actually a mutual friend of mine in Ramona's, has like eight, ten horses down there and is always inviting me. So one of the days I'll get down. I think we're doing the turkey derby. I want to do the derby. I was just gonna say we're gonna come do the derby and wear hats with you next man. Matt has a collection. I got invited this year. I've been invited before. I've just never been able to get my tuck down there. So you better go down. It's always in a weird time. It's like in April, May. It's weird weather. I don't know. I've never been able to figure it out. One of these days I'll figure it out. It's like all my to-do list. And then Ginger is fantastic. Okay. You know, thank God has an injured herself or anything like that. Can you make her bark? I think she's starting to get cataracts. Uh-oh. Can you make her bark right now? Oh, can I make her bark? All I have to do is have Allie walk in the room. Oh, that's right. That's right. Ginger does not like Allie, right? Yeah. They're like, well, you know what it is? They're like brother and sister who love each other. But just they're always fighting with each other. So she does it deliberately because Allie will walk in the room. Ginger will growl at her. I'll take Ginger off the bed at the punishment. And then she'll go back up on the bed because she's got steps and then she'll start licking Allie's hands. Uh-huh. You know, and this is a routine that happens every day. This is an interesting insight into the Zaren House over here. I'll hold up. Somebody's on the phone, my doorman. Who could that be? Guys, I do this, but there's somebody at my door. Sure. Hold on, what's that? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, of course. Go ahead. Sorry. Um, mine's guess who's on there. Let's guess who's at the door. My mind is gone. Allie's got a boy caller. Oh, Allie's got a man. Oh, and Allie's not indisposed. Okay. That was attractive. Sarah, will you let Let Allie's boyfriend in? What? It's a boy. And put him on the phone, please, Sarah. You just put him on the phone. I actually think I know who it is and I actually think I know who it is and I think he's gay. So there's gonna be no sex going on right now. Is he single? Because I'm single and I need a man. Is he single? Um, I think he's single, but I'll ask him because he went to Sarah Lawrence with Allie. Oh, that is definitely gay. That is definitely gay, right? I think it was one actually. I think it was one straight guy that they were all fighting over there. They were all having sex with him. He got up Metro North, the wrong station. That's what happened. He meant to go. I know. Oh, you guys know Metro North. Who's from New York? I'm from Westchester. Yeah, I'm from Catona. Catona. Catona. Catona boy. Okay. So I think I covered every, our Gloria. Gloria. Gloria. Gloria's in Florida. They came up this summer, actually found them a bridge place so they could play bridge in the Hamptons. And I almost got them to stay more than a week, but it didn't happen. All right. And then they left. And now my dad's coming up this Tuesday for a few days from business. So he's gonna come with me to Good Morning America. When I do that, that gig. So I'm very excited. What's the deal with that gig? What's the deal with that gig? Well, that's a, it's a nice gig. It's not, you know, it's not like a big, big deal. But you know, for me, it's a nice thing. It's once a week where I go to Good Morning America studios, which is in Times Square. And it's called Good Afternoon America hosted by Laura Spencer and Josh. And he is so cute, by the way. He's six foot seven. We're also not a joke. We're also obsessed with Laura Spencer because her, have you read her new book? Her book is amazing, by the way. Is it because I saw it? I'm gonna be on, I haven't read it. I have no idea if she's ever in the book. There's no, she wrote it up that shopping. It's my favorite thing, but shopping garage sales. Yeah, it's charging and it's decorating. She's not decorated with reading. She redecorated Kathy Griffin's place, right? Yes. Yeah. She's extremely talented and she's beautiful and she's kind and sweet and all that stuff. And I got her some nice armani makeup today. Oh. So she's gonna be happy tomorrow. All right. So I got a good hookup. So why don't we, should we, should we jump into some, some bravo, like, or, like, questions for you about bravo and stuff like that? Let's just throw ourselves in. Okay. So we'll jump and hold hands. I want to know, I want to know some gossip and you, let us know what you can let us know. Like, what's the status of you and your former cast members, like Luan, Ramona, all of them? Well, Luan and I played tennis a couple times already this summer. No, no, no, no. And, you know, I, I've got, my tennis has gotten much better and she's always been a good player. So now we're having, um, you know, 30, 40 ball rallies. So it's really fun. Okay. Beautiful. Beautiful manicured. Well, first of all, her house is to die. And her land is even more to die. And her tennis court is just manicured and beautiful and perfect. I would expect no less. And as we found out on the show, she's also a gymnast and she plays football and she plays softball. The thing is, is that they really had nothing as, as Luan told me that there was nothing else. The show is about, I was trying to explain this and we would talk, I was talking to my husband last night, we were watching it. And the way I see the housewives is if you could read someone's mind, this is what they're thinking. That's what the show's about because those little interviews are reading your mind. It's telling people what you're thinking. In normal circumstances, you don't get to hear what other people are thinking about you or of you. Joe, what are those? When do those take place? Like how long after filming do those interviews take place? Well, that's a really good question. Let me ask you, when, how often do you think they do? What's, what's your advantage? Well, I would say like, like maybe three times the season. And who else, anybody else want to take a guess? I'm going to take a guess that it's all honestly like the week before the reunion tapes. And you've got one more person there. I feel like, I feel like there's like, there's like three or four times. And then if they need to pick up something, they like do one more set of interviews because it's always later in the season, someone shows up in a different outfit for the first time. No, no, you're absolutely right. You're the closest to the truth. You got the, who was that Matt? That was me. That was Ben. Okay. Okay. You're closest to the truth. What they try to do, they try to do weekly ones, but they never do. The goal is to do it once a week. But what happens is once, and maybe in the very beginning of the season, they could do once a week, but once the storylines start going, they have to change the story. If you have a choice between filming something that's important for a storyline or doing interviews, you're going to do, you know, you're going to follow the story. And that's what always ends up happening. You never have a big enough crew. You never have enough people to do the show. So although relatively speaking to other reality shows, how flights does have a very large crew, it's got two full-time crews. It's still not enough when you have seven girls in the show. And then how long? So with that said, they stack them up and they'll take like two days every couple of weeks and they will make you, you know, stop filming and do interviews. And then at the end of the season, they do multiple interviews to try to catch up. And then when they start editing the show, well, they started in the show very early on, but as they continue, they call it exactly what you said organically. It's called a pickup. That is what it's called. They call it a pickup and they'll pick up sound bites that they're missing. And what's really funny is when I've seen the show edited, no, sorry, when I've seen, we used to get the tape like a few days before the show aired and it still wasn't finalized. It still wasn't closed. So you would see the show and in between two scenes, you'd see in black and white a sentence. And it would say something like, Jill says to Ramona, blah, blah, blah, you know, whatever it said. And that's called a pickup line. And they will literally, if they have to, because they don't have the sentence anywhere, filmed, they will, you know, film it and they will film and they will say to you, can you please say XYZ? And it's never something if they ask you to say something, it's never changing something. They're not putting words in your mouth, so you're not putting thoughts in your head. Reconvest to that murder that you've committed. Right. I mean, they're not going to say, you know, can you say your hate Ramona's God if you don't hate her or that, you know, that you love somebody you don't love. It's going to be something that you would have thought. They're in a certain way. So it makes sense. That's all. I don't want you to think that they're editing the show. And when they, you know, when they ask you the questions during the interviews, they like cue up footage and they like show you a scene to like sort of remind you what happened. No, it's all to remember. And that Bob is calling me and calling in. No, actually. And my first season, I would say, we had the best girl. Her name was Kira. And she had a memory like a hawk. So she would remember, I have a scene in September and then January or February, they're asking me about it. Like, do you think I remember anything? And I have the worst memory anyway. I don't know what I did yesterday. So Kira, I would say to her, well, what was I thinking? And she'll know exactly what I was thinking. She'll think, Jill, this is what happened. Not that she's putting words in my mouth, but she knows me. She, you know, they don't show you. They don't show you that Joe. No, it's got to go by your memory. I remember how you felt about something. And that's really hard sometimes. So you just mentioned Luanna a second ago. Are you kind of suggesting that because the London trip was so incredibly boring, they had to try and make something up. They're trying to tell a story. I know we need to fill an hour or 42 minutes here on TV each week. So we get that. But I don't think a lot of viewers out there understand the whole thing that people have been talking about since the beginning of reality where editing makes all the difference in the world. Can you speak a little to the editing? Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just, I know that, you know, sometimes you've been vilified. A lot of people have been vilified. But just talk about editing in general and how different it really is. Well, I think I was the first. So I got, I got hit the hardest because people weren't used to it. And now that everyone's like, you know what, when you said it, we were, I was on speaker funding. You made a joke about it. At the time, it was a very serious thing. It was like an infraction of a code that I had made that people assumed what a horrible person I was that I had the nerve to put Bethany on speaker found and not tell her that the wham was there. When in fact, number one, she knew what speaker found meant. It meant all it meant was that the, no one told me that Bethany was being filmed. So I assumed that she wasn't because I didn't know I was getting a phone call from her. My scene that day was told to me that I would be filming with Luann a couple of different things. One of them being the bed scene where she and I were in bed together. Yeah. Do you remember that? That was the same day. It was 12 o'clock in the afternoon when we filmed that scene. You know, we had to put the shapes down and pretend that, you know, I put on my name, nice laundry. Anyway, so we were filming other stuff that day and then the phone rang and they told me to answer it. And I was like, I didn't know who it was. I was really like dumbfounded. And when I answered it and it was Bethany, we were in the middle of our fight and I put her on speaker phone because I didn't know she was being filmed. But Jill, that's crazy because this is the same thing because people that didn't read your blog right after that just casual viewers of the show, even guy hard viewers that don't read the stuff on the internet, they would never and million years know that. And I got killed for it. You got killed for it. I mean, I really got killed for it. Now, you know what, that wouldn't happen now. You see it all the time where you see the housewives on speaker phone and nobody ever says it wasn't. But I have a question though. I have a question, though, with that whole speaker phone thing. So Bethany, you put her on speaker phones so Bethany should have known. But why didn't you just be like, hey, by the way, Luann's for you right here. Like, I did. Well, this is what I said. If you remember, listen to this, she says to me, is anybody there? And I said, there are other people in the room. Okay. And she just kept going. I didn't say, I didn't say it was Luann. We're right. And I could have. And I should have. Uh huh. She's thinking I told her the fact that I told her somebody else was in the room. Well, who the hell else would be in the room? I actually think I'm sitting by myself. I mean, I thought in fairness, I should have said Luann. And by the way, if you really want to out, Luann said to me, don't tell her I'm here. Oh, and I didn't listen to her. Do you remember the other thing? I said, I'm not going to do that. But what about somebody else is in the room? Huh? Do you remember? How about the time when Ramona called up and you had her on speaker and Luann was there? Now, that was a crazy moment of the speaker phone. Oh my god. I had no idea. And again, I had her on speaker phone because we were filming. And I had to remember she didn't have a camera on her. Well, I think that everyone who watches the housewives talks on their cell phones differently now because I just assume that I just assume that I want to speak your phone. I also say that we know that. But you know what? I, I really paved the way for a lot of different things that happened to me. And I'm, you know, I'm sad that they happened to me. But if I helped somebody else, I'm happy about that. Well, look, we also need to point the finger here at Bethany because by you saying that there are other people in this room, I think that honestly, because I'm not, I'm not on team Bethany right now, I actually think that she took advantage of that opportunity so that she could then later point the finger at you. That's just my take. You know, that was such an ugly time. And there were so many regrets that I have about things that I did or I didn't do. And, you know, all I can say is that I truly do miss her in a lot of ways. There are things that I miss about her. I miss her funniness. I miss her. She's so creative and she's. We miss that too. Because you know, she's just, she's just, you know, I, you know, I do. I miss that. I'm sorry. I wasn't part of Britain's life. I like Jason a lot when I met him. I never said anything to him about a red Ferrari. I don't know where that came from and certainly Jason's not that kind of guy anyway. But, you know, at the reunion, I don't know if you remember that that she, you know, she couldn't find something to say to me because she like started saying stuff. And there was things that was so like hurtful. I'm not going to go there. But I just really am proud of her. And everything she said she would do, she did, including getting her own talk show at any expense. And believe me, there's dead bodies all over the place, I'm sure. But she did it, you know, and you got to give the gold credit for that. I mean, she really did. She went from being just another reality star to, you know, she could be the next Oprah. Why do you think she's, why do you think she's been able to and allow the other like housewives who have their brands? Well, the first thing is drive. Yeah, because it's drive. It really is. I mean, listen, Bethany worked 10 times harder than all of us. Do you think it's because you think it has anything to do with the fact that she was probably, you know, the least well off out of everybody's. I think that she was driven from that. Yeah, I do. I think that she really had something to prove. She wanted to prove it to her mother. She wanted to prove it to the people who said, you know, when she didn't win Martha Stewart, the one person she wanted to prove to was Martha and say, you made a mistake with the wrong girl. You know, that's all she wanted. She wanted Martha Stewart to say, I'm sorry, I picked the wrong girl. Oh, yeah. Martha eventually came out and said it. Yeah, definitely. I think on Andy Conchow. So, but you know, there's not, there's not much to say, except that, you know, a lot of people look to her now as a role model. And, you know, that if you work hard enough, you know, you could have it all. And to her, that's what she has is having it all. Well, what about your relationships with Ramona and Alex and Simon and maybe even Cindy Barshop and Kelly Duncemon? You know, all good. Really? I speak too. Yeah. Cindy, I speak too on occasion. And I'm sorry to get to film with her more seasons because I really had a lot of fun with Cindy. She was the outsider and didn't have any history with anybody. So, it was nice. It was refreshing to have someone new. Kelly and I go up and down in terms of talking. You know, we talk for a few months and we don't talk for a few months. She's busy going in her direction. I'm busy going in your mind. Who else has left? Alex. Alex. I've spoken to Alex and Simon. I called them when the show first aired and I, you know, wanted to make sure, you know, I just called to check in on them, make sure they're okay. I was, you know, concerned. Believe it or not, concerned. Everything we'd been through. I was. I felt very bad. I felt very bad that they will let go. I know that they made a living off the show. You know, listen, the truth is the show was a hobby for me. I did not do it to make a living. It wasn't my livelihood. And I married to a considerably successful guy. And although I've been successful in my own career and I've saved a lot of money myself, you know, Simon and Alex are much younger. He isn't, but she is, you know, considerably younger, small children and has, for whatever reason, lost her job a victorious secret, whether it was the economy or it was the show and she'd never enough time. Whatever the reason was, she didn't have anything to fall back on. So, when they let us all go without warning, you know, they were sort of up a creek. Well, how did that, how did that happen? Do you guys hear about that stuff online or do they even have the decency to call you? Because sometimes it just seems like everything happens on Twitter. You know, it's like, did you guys, did you have phone call? Listen, we were, I knew, I knew, I knew something was up and I knew something was up. And I had told the girls that and they didn't believe me. And I unfortunately for them turned out to be right. You know, for me, it was time to go. I knew it was time to go. I had shared that my feelings with some people at Bravo that four seasons was enough for Bobby and that he didn't want to come back anymore. And that was out. That's not a secret. That was in the newspapers in New York that Bobby and I were overheard discussing us not returning. So, we are coming back to the show. Was this a ratings decision, do you think, or do you think it just got so volatile that it was time to change? No, you know what? Listen, I think that, I think there's, I think there's a lot of mixed messages that came out of Bravo and I'm not sure exactly who it was from. I heard different things just like you did. I heard that it was because some people on Twitter, Andy Cohn two weeks ago gave a story to advertising age, which is a very respectable publication. And he said that it was that ratings, wait, the ratings are like cocaine or that, yeah, I think it was like, wait, that something, something was about cocaine. It was about social media, you know, they followed the media with social media and that was the media, which is very scary to me because I know that nobody I know is on Twitter, personally. It seemed like it seemed like an excuse because quite frankly, there have been many housewives who have drawn the ire of many Twitter followers. Exactly, exactly. They've not gone on Twitter. Exactly. So, by the way, and I don't think she should be fired for the simple reason she needs the money and after what the show, you know, to me, to her family, she needed the job and they owed it to her, at least to give it to her, give her a job. But, but there were many housewives who had the ear. The thing is, you know, for me, you know, from a business point of view, I have the most followers and the decision that they made, I don't know what the reason was, it could have been rating, it could have been, they gave mixed messages. To me, one of the messages that they gave was that they wanted it to be a classier, higher end, more expensive, type of lifestyle, like Beverly Hills kind of show. So, how did you feel about it? Okay. But then, I watched the show and I don't get that feeling at all. I mean, when they're in London and they're in London and they're, you know, gawking at a penthouse, you know, that I, you know, wouldn't even, that I, I've either stayed at, you know, I, it isn't of such a level that it's worthy of staying in that night to enjoy. I think that's like, if you're rich, if you're rich, like, why do you care about a penthouse in a hotel? You live that way every day, you live in something nice. Well, what about poor So, I did not, it's not to me, right? I mean, sorry, you know, let her enjoy the penthouse. You know, by the way, did you, did you notice the resemblance, you know, in parties, which I thought is funny and poor Sony have to take a hit for it. Last year, I was told that we were having a masquerade ball. And Bobby and I did need dinner that night. And we go to this masquerade ball. Where is the food? Where is the food? And you tell me about my food. Oh, yeah. And then, and the girls go to another party from song and there's no food. And that's because it's not a real party. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, Jill, Jill Zaren cannot just exist on Diet Coke. She needs some sustenance. Thank you. I appreciate that production. It's like the production crew told Sony at the last second she couldn't just use craft services. Like, wait, what happened? Like they told her at the last time. Yes. Yeah. I didn't get it. You cannot take in this picture table for Doritos. Okay, Sonya, would you ever have Sonya plan a party for you, Jill? No, but because I love to plan parties, I, you know, I, my, my reputation before I did housewives was I always had the best Fourth of July party in the absence. If you go online and you type in my name prior to housewives, the only thing I was on the internet for were my parties. Well, Jill, I'm sorry. But now, Madeleine still under revenge has the best Fourth of July. Yeah, she does. Madeleine still under revenge. Have you ever seen that show revenge? No. Tell about the, but I did. But I, but I did, but I think I said that again. Well, no, you know, I don't have the parties anymore because everybody was the last year I had it. Everyone crashed. It was crazy. Oh, wow. Okay. Are you present? I got to talk about ratings because we were just touching on that for a second. So, I know, Jill, I don't know how deep you want to get into this. But I mean, it's fairly obvious. The ratings are tanking this season for New York. They're averaging about 1.25 million viewers down significantly half the half the amount of viewers that tune into OC and Jersey. I just need you to speculate a little bit here. Why do you think that is? Is that because you guys are no longer on the show? Is it because people are tired? Do they not like the new cast members go? Well, I think, I think that if you read the social media, I think that what they're saying is they're angry. I think it's a backlash that Bravo, the first real housewife show was New York. I mean, they had a receipt, but the one that they put a lot of money behind advertising was New York. And by the way, that was because Project Romeway went to lifetime and they had made a huge media buy and they had to spend the money and they weren't going to do it on Project Romeway. So if they put a lot of money into promoting New York, they put us on the buses, they did all that stuff. And we got a lot of press, a ton of press. You know, I remember I was like the top 25 entertainers of the year in one magazine. I mean, it was just a crazy time for all of us. And I think that the fans were angry. I mean, there were mainstays. Bethany and I were the mainstays of Ramona. And of course, Bethany went on to do her own show, but you know, it's hard to get rid of the main, you know, fire the main people. And every time it happened in the past on a major show, it's usually been a demise. I mean, I made reference to Dallas and one of my blogs. You're going to ask you about that. You know, a lot of people related to that. And I wasn't trying to, I certainly wasn't telling people to boycott or not watch. I tell people I watch the show, I watch the show. So I'm certainly not encouraging anybody to boycott out flights in New York at all. In fact, you know, I enjoy watching it because I know some of the girls. But, you know, they did that with Dallas and they thought that they could get rid of, you know, main characters and they realized they couldn't, you know, you just, you can't, you can't have people invest so much time and love or hate into fans, into their characters. And then just make, not even make mention of them when they left. Like we left, they never said that we went anywhere. They just pretended like we never existed. And that was like an insult to it. I think that was an insult to the fans. And I think the fans are telling the network, we're mad at you. And we're not going to watch your show. So what do you think? What do you think about the new cast? What do you think about the new girls? Um, I think, I think some of them are better than others. I'm not going to get into who I like and who I don't. You know, like, I don't think it's important. It's important whether you like them or not. We don't like any of them. They're okay. Really? You don't like any of them? Well, there's some of that really. It's up and down, I find. I like Carol kind of. I kind of like Carol, too. But you know, you're watching it. Yeah. So you see, that's all that matters is are you watching it. And I don't know. Why do you think no one's watching it? Well, I do a podcast every week about it. I do a podcast every week about it. And I'm not watching it. I've missed two weeks in a row. Well, I'll tell you something. There was another girl. I'm not going to mention names. There's another girl who had a weekly, um, a weekly blog that got a lot of hits. And she decided after the second episode that she wasn't going to write about it anymore. And I always said this, you know, whether you have haters or lovers, when they stop writing about you, that's when it's over. You see, to me, you know, you know, I'm sure you know, I've had my haters and I've had people who haven't liked me, but they still write about me. Mm hmm. You know, and that's really all that when you're when you're in the position that I'm in, you just want people to talk about you good or bad, because that means you count. Do you know, if they stop talking about you, it's over. Do you know that there's a Twitter account called blocked by Jules Aaron? I sure do. Who is it? Do we know who it is? It's I don't, it's no one. I don't think it's anyone famous. I mean, Countess Luanne, I certainly do. And you know what, I did for a while block people, because I'm a human being like everybody. And sometimes it would get to me and hurt my feelings when I would go on my Twitter and I'd have to read hate. Well, I'm sure they would hate about my family. Listen, you could write whatever you wanted to free country, but I don't have to follow it. And I have every right to block it if I want to. But now I don't have to block anymore, because I have this new Twitter thing, Twitter program, that you can zip things. So if somebody, if somebody writes something that, you know, somebody is a habitual writer of things that are not nice about me, I can zip them, but you won't know it. So they can still follow me. I just won't be able to see it. Oh, okay. And if I don't have to see it, I don't really care what you're writing. All right, exactly. You know, as long as it's not on my timeline, I don't care. Have you zipped any of your if you write about me, the more famous they make me, the more successful I am. And it's because of that. So now the question about Ramona. All right. So you guys used to be, you guys used to be friends for many years, right? And now you guys are, where are you guys still friends or what's going on with you? We're good. We're good. We're actually in a very good place right now. Well, I Google news to you. And it's like the first things that come up are good after noon, Jill's Erin. And that's what I'll call it. That's what it'll be called today. Good afternoon. Something about Ramona getting all pissed off at you because of comments you made about the learning annex, which I'll tell you what I did. I was on Good Afternoon America. And they're asking me to talk about certain things. And I'm going to talk about them. That's why they have me on just like you want to ask me questions. That's why you have me on. And I thought I was being funny. Obviously she didn't think it was funny. So I really did. And I didn't mean to be mean. I wasn't trying to be mean. It was obvious that what I said was true. And I just sort of said what other people were thinking just like Ramona says that she's known for saying things that other people take it. Yeah, you can be sorry all you want. But I mean, it was ridiculous. There was like half a room there. And it was kind of embarrassing. So that's how we felt. And you know, I just said it. I just said what you were thinking. Yeah, exactly. But I wasn't trying to, I'm not trying to start a fight with her at all. I'm not on the show anymore. It's not with mutual friends. There's no reason for us to be there. I know. But here's the problem with Ramona though. Like the issue is she wants to be the person who always says I'm upfront. I'm telling you like it is. And then she can't handle it when other people do that in return. I just had. Well, I know someone else like that in my family. I'm not going to say who who can give it, but they can't take it. I mean, you know, ginger, giving it, but you can't take it. Close, close. But you know what I mean? Some people can give it if they can't take it. And most people can give it if they can't take it. Let's can we talk a little bit about last night's Real House House of New York City? Can we talk about Ramona versus Heather? Like how did it? Where's everyone here stand in that in that latest confrontation? Team Ramona. Okay, here's my deal. Here's my deal. Every single week I flip flop on Heather. Yeah, crazy. And then other times I love her. And you know what? At the moment. Where are you this week? I'm riding high on Heather because she took it. She was chasing Ramona down and confronting her and making her discuss the issues because I hate when Ramona likes to punch and run. I can't stand that. Yeah. I thought it was actually hilarious watching Heather. But I can't, but I know, but I can't, I can't, you know, does anybody see a physical resemblance of the way she smiles to somebody on another housewives show? Yes. And it's creepy. It's creepy bizarre. Who do you think it is? Well, I would say the Joker from Batman. No, no, no, no. I'm not even kidding. But no, there's another housewife who smiles. Who's got the, no, who's got the same, who's got the same habit with the nose crinkle. You can live out your MasterChef dreams when you find a professional on Anji to tackle your dream kitchen remodel. Connect with skilled professionals to get all your home projects done well. Inside to outside. Repairs to renovations. 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But that being said when Ramona is telling you when Ramona is telling you you're being fake I'm speaking to you and you give me that fake smile and then she gives that fake smile. I'm not smiling. I know that's irritating. I don't understand why I thought I was irritated. I was on Ramona's side actually. Yeah but I mean what are you supposed to do? Just shut the fuck up Ramona. I don't like you. Get out of my face. But you know what I'm talking about. But no no but but it was it was you know what she was talking out of both sides of her mouth. She was saying you know I thought we were past it. You know she says I thought we were past it. Why would we be past it? You just completely didn't invite me to London. You're on my television show. Seriously. Think of it for Ramona. You're going to get mad. You're going to get mad. You come on my show and you don't invite me to London? No wait Matt wait hold on one second because this is what happened when you were on. I remember I think it was the last reunion. No it was the last year Bethany was on during that reunion season and Ramona was accusing you of trying to get people to not film with Bethany. So now we come to this season and that's exactly what this bitch other is doing with Ramona and so you're right. You know I see that. I didn't think of that. It's such an obvious paragraph. But by the way let me just tell you where that came from. I want to I want to you know make the set the record straight on that too. Which I've set the record straight before but I will set it with you guys. Please do it. I have the worst memory in America okay like the worst. And Bethany just so you know what you probably don't know about her has a memory like an elephant. Meaning she remembers everything that she ever said and everything anyone said to her since she was born. She would come back kidding and it's an incredible gift. No no it's an incredible gift because she could always use my words against me and I don't even remember what I said. Now I'm one of these people who just say whatever I'm thinking and don't remember. Is it probably true that I said at some point on the phone and anger but I don't want to film with her? Sure. Did I mean it? No. And did you think I mean it? No. She knows I didn't mean it. Okay but you are. And by the way Bethany and I've said this told me not to film with Kelly. Kelly started and I've said this before when Kelly first started I didn't know who Kelly was but Bethany did as you know in the history they knew each other and Bethany told me if you don't film with Kelly she won't exist and then they won't put her on the show. And I did whatever Bethany told me to do but then Bethany filmed with her. I said well if you're gonna film with her then I did a film with her I'm gonna be out. Okay I have a really important question here because you just said that you know Heather kind of needs to watch herself because she's joining a Ramona show. Talk about the veterans and when the newbies come in and is there supposed to be some more respect there or is it just everybody is on the same playing field? Well listen Sonia says that there's a pecking order. Oh yeah. I mean that I do remember even though I'm the memory. I see you to a party. Oh. And I'm gonna tell you something I never heard of something so ridiculous in my life until I actually thought about it and said you know what there's a little truth in that. A little bit. There's a little bit. Not a lot. You know it only gets you for maybe you know your first season. In other words like I was on before Kelly but after the second season you know so I was on one more season than her. But after she was on a full season I would consider us equal. I wouldn't say well I was on an extra year. So I say you get away with that for the first year. And I think there's a lot of there's a learning curve you know so there's no question if you get friendly with people who are already on the show it's to your benefit. So because you're going to learn something from them. I have a question. This sort of relates to this in terms of like cast members and veterans and people being like the pecking order and stuff. If Bravo ever did a show where they brought back or they brought all the housewives together like former ones or new ones they all made you guys compete in some sort of like Olympic days of housewives. Would you do it? Well you know it's funny Andy come once made a joke to me. I think somebody said to him you know why don't you do a show with like Mimi and Jill and Nicky you know like a desert island. And he said well if the ratings ever go down really far we'll probably have to do it. Well then get ready because they're going to be calling you. I don't think they're calling me. I don't think they're calling me but you know what I would never say no to anything but I would say it's highly unlikely that I would like you to reconsider that. I personally don't ask me so you'll have to call. Listen you know what I find interesting that on Andy's show with you know there's like literally hundreds of emails if not thousands the day of a housewives show asking about me you know to me you know and I know Andy sees it you know. Andy why is Jill off the show and we want him back and all this other stuff. But it's interesting to me that yet nobody's been able to get a question on air on Andy's show because that's the old. They are blocking me. It's not just me. I'm sure there's a lot of fans of Alex and of Kelly and even of Cindy who would like to know what they're up to and I just want to get it back. It would be nice if Andy said you know I just want to give just a fan of housewives as a brand an update also because there's so many foreign fans who don't even know what's going on and they're just watching the show for the first time. So it would be nice if Andy said you know I want to give an update Jill to me and Cindy's doing that because there's no hard feelings as far as I'm concerned with the network. I mean I had a great one for four years. I actually think that you know there's a serious problem there because as you mentioned the fans want to know what happened to you guys again. We read right now. Yeah we read your blogs and we do all of that but at the same time like Andy never. But now hold on but that's you you don't think fans don't have computers. We have a blog. I agree with you. Don't have Facebook. What I'm saying is like I never felt you guys who took this franchise to a whole new level because like you said New York really blew this up not OC. This was New York. So my whole thing is how like why didn't you guys get a proper send off? Hello? I lost you. I'm here. I missed it. Oh no I missed it. You said blow to a whole new level. I got it. Yes you guys took it to a whole new level and I just kind of felt like Bravo didn't give you guys a proper send off. Your fans want to know where you are and what's going on. I feel bad about that. I don't you know what I mean. I don't feel you know the last thing I want to do is anything you know for that for them but I want to do it for the fans. Do you know what I mean? And I feel bad that I remember Andy said that you know we would love to have you watch what happens when New York starts because I'm sure the fans will want to hear from you and they never called. Have you blocked blocked by Andy Cohen? You should let me Twitter account. Have you um have you read his book because he kind of glosses over you in the book and it doesn't like he clearly there's stuff to say and I feel like I don't know why he doesn't but he just glosses over you real fast. Well here's what he said about Bethany. Wait what are you I'm curious what do you say about Bethany? Did he gloss over her too? No I don't think he glosses over her that much in the book because I mean look she's I don't know I feel like he he kind of sees her whole career to him. Of course. I mean it wasn't to Andy. Right but she's also a cash cow for him so it's like kind of like a mutual thing right there. Well I guess your question though. Can I ask you guys a question? Do you find it weird that she had as a guest on her show and he hasn't been she hasn't been on his show to promote her show. In other words Andy went all over the world to promote his book on a talk show you know Jimmy Fallon every show he could get on but yet he didn't promote his book on Bethany and he was in California when his book came out and she was filming. And I find that she's in New York this week and she's not on his show. Why? That's really interesting. My my thing is this I think that her days are numbered. Her rating is worth. Her rating. Her show is getting picked up and she could be the next Oprah. Yeah she's gonna be doing fine I think. Well I'm not suggesting that she's not doing fine I'm suggesting that she didn't do one more thing she's fine. I'm just saying she made her money yeah. All I'm saying is I think that her days with number are with Bravo might be numbered and I feel that that's done. I think Bravo. I think what I'm trying to say is I think that Bravo Andy is kind of upset that she broke away from him and is moving on to work with Ellen and I think that he holds grudges and I think that he is now done with her because she's moving on. Well I think you know what weird he invited her to his book party and Anderson Cooper tout and she went. I think I think it's personally don't get strange. I don't know there's something weird. I don't think it's strange. You know she wanted to do a daytime dog show wait you want to do a talk show on Bravo first she went to them first and they said no so they're like you know they messed up. They messed up. They gave it to they gave it to Kathy. What do you guys think of Kathy's show? Well um be honest. I feel like it should be better considering getting that all. I think it's getting involved in it. It only needs to be a half hour an hour is way too long. Yeah. I love her commercials. Yeah. How commercials are brilliant. But the rest of the show you don't move. I think she's brilliant and we know a couple of the writers on it and they're really fantastic and I think a lot of it is just that Kathy is so uncomfortable. So they got to cut that song out. That song is driving me. I don't like the song. I don't like the song right now if you want. No something that don't like it. I like it. I just don't like to hear it 50,000. I'm gonna make. I'm gonna make a bold statement right now. I actually think that Bravo is in serious trouble right now and I think the housewives of New York with that ratings drop. I think that we are at the tip of an iceberg here. I think you look at a lot of these new shows that they've launched in the past year around the world and 80 plates bombed on the huge budget. Missed by. By the way they're all Andy show. Right. And and and misadvised is only scoring 400,000 viewers. I mean a lot. There are a lot of their shows. Hold on. The other show got 200,000. It didn't even make ratings was the blonde girl who they're bringing back in two weeks. Exactly. The one and and and really by the way her had his fingers feelings. It's nothing else they never gave her heads up. They have every right to do whatever they want. Right. Patty should be completely pissed. And she is she was because it was a respect thing. That's all she gave her life to this to the network for 70 years and for them to go behind her back and to do another show about two different women two different matchmaking shows. One with misadvised with three and then the other one with one. They never even said to her Hey, listen, Patty, you know what we love you. But you know, we got to do what we got to do. And you know what you would totally respect that is she's a business woman. But the crazy thing is the viewers and the fans are also recognizing that. And I think that's why we're not getting on board with a lot of these new shows. Look, a lot of this is about, you know, Bravo to us is like real housewives. Well, you're an educated consumer. You know, you're not like a typical network. I mean, I'm not putting down any of the networks, but not every network has such an educated audience. Right. And Bravo fans are diehard crazy fans that want to know everything. That's what I'm saying. So that's smart. And you can't lie to them. You can't lie to a Bravo fan. Right. And so the network is kind of doing that to this super smart fan base. And I think that they're really biting themselves in the ass. And it's really not going to pay off. I think that a lot of the new shows that are coming up. Oh, I don't know. I gave my heart and soul to Bravo. And the only the only resentment that I have is that I don't think that I was treated nicely when I was let go. I'm okay with, you know, then firing me because I was leaving anyway. But the way they did it, they could have done it in a different way. But I have no hard feelings. And let me tell you, they changed my life forever. And I will always be grateful. And I will only say the nicest things about that network because they did so much for me. If we're ever at it, they changed my life. If we're in New York, you know, who ever thought I'd get four years on the show? You know, it gets four years on a reality show. Think about the amount of shows that you like and how long they left. Now, if we were, if we were to be in New York, would, and we popped into Zaren Fabrics, would we see you working behind the counter? Are you not there anymore? Because you're so busy. Well, you know what, I was, I was, there was like two or three years that I was there with Brad when Brad worked there. And I was really like die hard into it. But I admit, I have ADD, and it's hard for me to focus on one now. And being in a store is not, I can't do it. I've got to be moving and shaking. So I do pop into the store. If you let me when you're in New York, I'll try to be there when you come in. But I'm not there every day by any means. And in the summer, you know, doing my best to have fun. I mean, I try really hard. It's very hard. But I do. I try very hard to have fun. And I'm just teasing. And I'm playing tennis. And I, you know, I've got Todd, his little scoop. I got Todd English coming to my house this weekend thing with us with this girlfriend. Very nice. Because he's cooking at an event in the Hamptons thing with his friend, Jill. I asked, I asked this, I asked this with everyone who has a house in the Hamptons. Do you know Aina Garten? Who? Aina Garten. Is that a joke? Another joke? I'm not kidding. A bear. She's, she's your neighbor at Hamptons. She's. Oh, Aina Garten. I know that name. Well, you should know her food. She's good. I do. I know that name. I do know that name. I absolutely know that name. But I live right down the block from the count test. And I love to play tennis, you know, with her. And I, you know, I have, you know, as you know, I'm working on my brand and I'm doing all that fun stuff. And, you know, you never know, you might see me on TV again. Not only was good afternoon America, which was like, you know, a lot of people said, well, I planted and I knew and blah, blah, blah. That's not true. I'll give you more scoop. You know, it only happens a couple of weeks ago. I got a phone call from one of the producers at Good Morning America, who was now working on this project and said, you know, would you be available on Wednesdays this summer? It's a nine week show until Katie Kirk. Kira comes on. We got that. We got that. I love that. I know you did. And I like, I like it. Kira's better. Anyway, it's cute. And by the way, I'm one of the few Alexis fans. I know you have a soul made in Matt Whitfield over here. I like her. I like her. Heather is too mean to her. No, Heather, Heather's a I like Heather. And as Jill knows, Jill knows Chappaqua Heather's local to us, right? You know, yeah, but that doesn't that's not necessarily that doesn't. Yeah, it does not excuse Tamara and Heather from being evil to a dumb girl. Like she's she's a weak little. I know. Okay, but I'm gonna see I may see Miss Tamara this weekend because she's hosting some kind of party in the Hamptons. She's coming each time. You should tell Tamara to come on to watch her crathons. I will find her. I don't know. It's it's it's it's a tough name to sell happens. It's an easy name to sell. You say you spell it with a K C. It's like it's like it happened. I got that. I got that. But I think it's like it's kind of like a Kardashian. Yeah, then it's like Kardashian. Kyle was like cereal at that point, you know. That do you follow Kardashian? No, I go gross. Listen, after after watching all you crazy ladies on TV, I can't take on a whole other a whole other network's worth of crazy ladies. So I said, I want to if I, you know, if I came back to television to do reality, it would be real as real as it could be on reality, but it would be real. I can't stand the show changed. It was never like this in the beginning when Bethany and I were on. I mean, we were like thickest Steve. Exactly. I hate that. I hate that these girls, I'll give you something else that I picked up yesterday. Hold on. Who's here? Sorry. Hi, Tori. I read on. How are you? Oh, I was having a party. She didn't know I was going to be on tonight. So they walk up and over. Oh, he has ginger. Hold on. Oh, I think I heard ginger. Say hi. Say hi. Oh, now she won't say hi from that. Nice get her. Wait, what are they telling you? I had an inside show based on last night's show. It was based on last night's show. I'm watching the show, and this is the other thing that Bob is making. The network cannot make a decision. They can't decide how the viewer is supposed to understand how these girls have met. You know, so the first episode, they're all at Sony's house. And I think Luanne brought them as her friends. Then, you know, Hollywood girl is running around as if they're all BFF, you know, calling Carol Razzi, you know, like they've been done 30 years. And Luanne, pumpkin head, pumpkin head, whatever. Well, that's a neat name. That was a nice, but I'm just saying, you know, Razzi and all these like, you know, endearing names that you only get when you know someone a very long time. Right, it's totally fake. So now they're all fake. They're all best friends. And when she's on the phone, and I don't know how else they would do it. That's the thing, but they're on the phone planning the trip to London. Remember when she was in the office in the end, and somebody was, I don't remember who was in her office. It was in Heather's office. And she's calling Razzi on the phone. I think when Sony was there, right, Sony was getting business advice. And she's like, you know what, I'm going to London and I want to invite my girlfriends for the weekend or whatever. And like, you know, sure, everybody just dropped what they're doing in their life and runs to London for a weekend to play croquet and stand up like fools and say, well, you love something that you never even heard of. And then this is what was weird. At the party, at the anniversary party, by the way, who makes an anniversary party, you know, 17 years was weird. So it's five. Okay. I yelled at Ramona. I yelled at Ramona about 17. I got it. I happened to like Aviva. I think five is weird. And she would tell me, I think it's weird too. They made me do it. And where is and where was Fran Drescher, by the way, at her brother's anniversary party, I would like to ask. I think Fran's been filmed. So that's coming. I'm pretty sure she's filmed unless they cut her out. I'm not going to watch it again. No, no, suppose you'll know in the coming attractions, they would never not put that in the coming drive. So listen, so this is what I thought was weird that the men were introduced on camera for the first time to the ladies. Now they could have cut that out. In other words, they could have been introduced, but then cut it out. So it appears that they all know each other. But then when Razzie, whatever, when a heavy introduces her hubby to Ramona and Mario and says, this is my husband, it's like weird because you just, you sort of presented to me at the beginning of the season that you're all best friends. You expected to be taken to England on a trip, but yet you don't know my husband. Right. It's like, you're not giving me, I can't figure it out as a viewer. You know, I can't figure out, are they friends? Aren't they friends? How do you fake it? You know, this is a reality show where they, that's why it doesn't work for me. And that's why the viewers aren't watching. Okay, well, let me answer this. And we don't like it. You have to be friends in real life. Yeah, I hear that. That's my bottom line. You can't keep pulling these shows together of women who don't know each other. It's not working. That's the bottom line. I'm figuring it out as I'm speaking to you. Wait, we can all know each other and you all knew each other in the beginning? Yes, I was the connector. Oh, I didn't know. Everyone, everyone, but hold on. So I brought, I brought Luann on the show and if Andy said it in his book, I brought, I think to Andy said I brought Ramona on the show. We had the wrong girl. I brought Luann on the show. Ramona, I introduced to someone else. Bethany, I brought it on the show. And Alex, no one knew, she was cast for another show that didn't happen. So they moved her into this show. And that's why she was the outsider for many reasons. Not only did she live in Brooklyn and she was much younger than us, but she also didn't fit into our social circle. So it was easy for it to be, you know, for against one. So, but now you've got these, you know, three girls against three singles who are not friends. Like it would have been okay if the three singles were friends with each other. So then it would be three friends against three friends. Okay, can I ask you one, one, go ahead, Ben. Oh, no, we're going into hour two, right? No, hour two long. I'll just say this, then Matt, you can ask your question because I know you've been chomping at the bit to ask a question here, but I just think the real problem at the end of the day is that the three women that they brought on just aren't that compelling. You know, Carol, Carol is smart. And she was actually very funny on last night's episode. Heather, you know, she's sort of like, she's served a little bit in terms of like, she has this issue with Ramona and Aviva seems just sort of like, almost too normal to be on a reality show. Well, but it also makes, it also makes the pros look like they're doing theater because they're so good at like, all right, let's fight. All right, here's going to be our fight for the season. Let's go for it. And the other lady for like, well, this is the thing, right, well, you know, this is the thing. You can't have it both ways, guys. So Andy Cohn told us or, you know, told the press and the media or somebody told the media that the show had gone to a dark place that they decided to recast after the reunion. Everything was fine after the last episode of you. It was after the reunion in July that they, that everything changed. And they decided based on their, you know, they do all these focus groups that after the focus groups, they had said that the show had gone too dark and gotten too mean. And the girls were too mean to each other. The reunion was a disaster in their mind. Meanwhile, the ratings were up. So I don't know why that was. Well, inside are if we're going to talk about dark things, let's talk about Taylor Armstrong's husband, my God, I don't understand. No, no, but look at look at New Jersey. You can't get darker than these two siblings who are fighting and killing each other. And physically dating. But that's dark. So I it's like a hypocrisy. You can't have it both ways. You can't say that the show is too dark. And we want to have it nice. And then you bring on these nice girls. And then you say they're boring. The network, the network is going to be sorry. What do you want to know? So what is it? Do you want to be? I think if it need no, I think that if it's going to be new girls, it has to be all new girls. I don't think I can be, you know, because that's what I'm saying, Luanne and Ramona are like going into their old, all right, we're fighting. She's blackmailing ladies. Let's go to lunch raw. And they look like they're playing the Catskills where, you know, the other girls are like in community theater. They need to they need to have a blog. Did you do my blog about that right now? I have to believe that they made up. I'm going to vomit. I've no, no, really. I was like, how could Ramona and Luanne make up after everything that had happened between them in three minutes? I said, Oh, I'm on the right here and Gretchen, you know, that's just how it is. They're like, okay, we're out of a storyline. Let's go to lunch. Well, I happen to like the Tamar Gretchen being friends. I think it's funny. And Vicki's out. Vicki is out. I mean, she's in real life. They are not talking. Now, how are they going to do? How they're going to do another season? I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, if they were smart, they would pay Gina Kehoe a ton of money to come back and team back up with Vicki to take on Tamar and Gretchen. And also, they won't, they won't do it. I don't think they'll do it. They don't like to go back. See, this is saying that they're, you know, Pennywise, Pan foolish, but it's a different expression. You know, they would never eat their own mistake. They would never admit a mistake. The network and say, we have to bring back every year. So it seems like they wouldn't be so against it. She's at least in one episode. They bring Gina back in all the, you know, party episodes. I'll bring her back. You know, I know. And you know what happened with that. The reason why Gina's off the show is because they were negotiating for money together to three of them, Gina, Tamar and Vicki. And then Vicki and Tamar took the money and told Gina not to that they weren't taking it. And then the network got rid of her. But it does seem though that Vicki and Gina have come to some kind of agreement. They both screwed each other over multiple times. And I do think that they are kind of, and you know, I mean, I also have to say this, I think they're also the same age. And like Gretchen is a lot younger than them. So I would like to see them team up and be friends again. That would be great. Gina loves a one off check to show up at the reunion parties. I mean, girlfriend will take a bite of my door. Everyone say goodbye to Ali. Hold on. Let me speak. I'm really thinking about it. Okay, thank you. Bye, Ali and Ginger. Fine. What are you guys doing? Okay, what are you doing? I'm Mediterranean. I just found my favorite. I know it's beautiful. You should see how gorgeous Ali was. Um, three guys who I'm doing in the U.S. Oh, come on. Ginger, are you here? Just that talking. Don't fight, everybody. Come on. Oh, thanks. Yeah, I'm in a night cam with no brawn. Nice, right? That's why I need your friend. Don't worry. It's audio. Audio only. Okay, Jill, Jill, Jill. Close on. I just say no close. Okay, so if the ratings are going to continue to tank for New York, and they're probably just going to keep dipping as the season goes on, what do you think is going to happen with the franchise at the end? Do you think that Bravo would have the balls to cut everybody, or do you think they're going to try and retool it again and keep some of them, or are they going to wipe the slate clean? I think if they didn't have any emotion involved, and they did what was best for the brand and the business, they would, and this, I'm not saying they should bring back the cast, like Dallas, and pretend the season never happened. Okay. Pick up when they left off two years ago, and I think it would be ratings gold. Do you think that they're a fan want their girls back? No matter who they throw at them, they want New Yorkers. They want Jill, and I'm saying this is not me. They want their Jill, they want their Kelly, and they want their Alex. Do you think that they want their Alex, and they want their Jill? Do you think that the other women that you just mentioned would ever consider that? Are they all done? I don't know. I think they would, to be honest, I know Alex, I think Alex, what I don't know. I think that given the right opportunity, anybody would do anything, you know that. For me, I really have moved on. I'm in a little bit different situation, because my husband, and what we want to do with our lives, but you know what? I'm never going to say no without having something in front of me to say no to. But I do think that that is the best route for the brand and for the network. And then the second route is to really scratch it and start over. Yeah. Scratch it and start over. That's what you know. But this is the thing, if they could have scratched and started over, that's what they would have done this season. It's a good night Sarah. Look at this. We've been on the phone for three hours. We will promote it. There were so many mean rumors around that. Jill, she's just on one time and she's making a big deal. No, I'm on again tomorrow. I wasn't lying. It's like I'm not, you know, but I just didn't promote it this week. Oh, I didn't hear that. I thought you just had the regular gig. Yeah, I got the regular gig. Exactly. I think it was one week I can't because I'm sick out of college, but other than that, I'm good. I'll do it. Thanks for asking. And I'll be on 8% Oh, yeah. No, it's absolutely all right. No idea how many how many new friends I've made since I got that gig. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure you have no idea. Oh, yeah, you're gonna be talking shit and I can imagine how many new friends Bethany has like imagine how many new friends Bethany well, you know, if you need if you need three handsome commentators to come on. Good. Good afternoon. America to talk about pop culture. You know where to look. Well, you know, you would guys would be perfect for Kathy show because she does take real people. Have you spoken to Kathy about doing her show? You guys would be perfect for it because you do have a real legitimate blog and a point of view. And you know Bravo so well. Well, well, I do these videos making fun of Bravo shows that don't like me very much. They keep banning me. Bravo Bravo PR follows what we do. And we talk a lot of smack about them. And we suggest what they should do for their shows. And I don't know that they're they're huge fans. But we talk smack though. It's because we we watch them. We we you know, you know, you know, I know. Anyway, when we go off, I want to talk to you guys privately but off camera. Okay, well, it's funny that you mentioned that because, you know, let's do it. Are we done now? We've been doing this for an hour. We haven't touched on anything we really want to touch on. And it's what you want to talk about? No, no, no, you're all the stuff was better. Yeah, your stuff was better. Normally, this is a special one. What do you want to talk about? No, no, normally what the questions? No, no, it wasn't questions. Normally, we always we go through the we go through every single show and we go we get this time. This is the Jill's Aaron special. And I think it's going to be a special one at one hour. This is going to be the number one downloaded thing on iTunes this week. Are you kidding me? Fantastic. I agree. I was not saying it disparagingly. Yes. Yeah, it's on. You tell me you'll tell me how you do. Of course. And I think Bravo's going to be totally pissed at us for getting you. Yeah, I think they will be. Yeah. Yeah. You better say night. You better say nice things about me. Only that's no, no, no more trash talking me. I don't know what you guys have been up to because I know you've been listening. And I'm just as smart as you are. Well, you know, Jill, you have to understand like we're entertained by all this stuff that goes on, but we get we see your worst and your bat, you know, your best and your worst. And we talked about that. That's what we do. We talked shit about each other when the other guys are gone. Yeah. We talked so much about Ronnie. We don't even know what we say about Ronnie. And honestly, at the end of the day, what what it comes down to is we are die hard fans of New York, especially New York and the fact that you are no longer on the show is the biggest bummer ever for us. Yeah, because what are you going to talk about? Gee, it's. Well, we somehow we make do we we want to have some tangential things, you know, we didn't even get to talk about Sonya's toaster oven today. Oh, god. Wait, wait, wait, you mean the book? Oh, I thought she was making actual toaster oven now. At first, I thought she was making a book. But now she's actually building a toaster oven, maybe in like some silo in New Mexico. This is the thing about Sonya. Sonya doesn't have a mean bone in her body. Yeah. Well, she has a crazy, she has crazy bones in her body. Not me. Not being me. But that's not a mean bone. I know. But I'm really, you know, if she does something, it's not it's out of ignorance, not out of malice. And that's the difference. Okay, can I just ask you a quick question? I mean, last season we saw Sonya stick her hand in her toilet to fish out a black bear. And last night we saw her dunk her head in the day. What is up with her toilet fetish? Well, I can we talk about that? Well, I didn't even I didn't even associate the toilet fetish. You mean with the cell phone? Yeah, remember the head now? Just plumbing in general. I'm trying to figure out why she didn't use the sink. It's bigger and cleaner. And I didn't see her clean the bidet. But we're going to hope that they just cut that out. Yeah, we're going to hold the bidet. We're going to hold them. We're going to pray. I'm out of one of those things. I think she did it. I really think she did. If entertainment, she just wanted to entertain you. She just wanted to make the fan laugh. And that's the thing, like what she had done that the first season, probably not. But she did it. She sees herself as Lucy. Okay. And Lucy does things for last, you know, like walking, stomping on the wine, and you know, all those silly things. That's how she sees herself. So she wants to make you laugh. And I and I love her for that. I know I like Sonya, you know, I'm on team Sonya. We have to wrap up here in a second. But because you just mentioned that that does make me have a question for you. Do you think, I mean, and you can explain when you were on the show, but do people really try to take opportunities like that to do silly things or to do mean things so that they can try and earn themselves another season on the show? Are you guys, are you guys like always auditioning for the next season? I'm not because I'm not that smart and I don't think I don't think like that. But yes, they were definitely out of all the housewives and it's like 30 of them or whatever. There's definitely girls who are smarter and more calculating. We won't mention names but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. There's a lot more calculating. Understand how these shows get made and what it takes to stand out. Right. And see the ones who don't make it, you know, who end up leaving the show. I think a big, I don't know why the girl in Atlanta just got fired. Sure, sure, sure. How did you fire someone? The best two lines of the whole season was, you know, when she said, you know, Trump, what did she say? I'm rich. I'm really rich. But that was a response to, to, to, I love that line. And then something about the face, you remember the reunion? Fix those teeth. Fix those teeth. Fix those teeth. Fix those teeth. Fix that face. I mean, how do you get better TV than that? How do you fire Shirais? She buys Shirais. I don't know. He buys Shirai. He buys Shirai. How do you fire? You know what? When your issue notes, awful thing. When you're taking notes from Neenie Leakes, you do what Neenie Leakes tells, you know, if, if Neenie tells Andy to do something, he probably does it. Not really though. I mean, they do it best to me, but I don't think so. I don't know what kind of relationship they have, but I don't think it's what you think it is. I think, I think Neenie runs that show. I think it's because she's too poor, Shirais. I mean, Shirais gone, you know, I think she's just downgraded so much that Andy's like, no, no. What about the other girl? The model has no money either. You know, like, not no money, but you know what I mean? But it's at least kind of saying that the balance agency is not bringing in money. The Shirais borrowing and money. And by the way, they're making a lot of money now. Yeah. And that kind of, that bothers me. That bothers me. That Shirai spent a lot of her own money to do, she buy Shirai for the show. Then she gets cut. And then she finally gets to the point where you're going to make money. Same as me. You know, I've literally worked for nothing the first year. And I spent more than I made by far. And you know, having a wardrobe. And then what they don't what they don't compensate you for. And this is why movie stars make money. A lot of money when they're when they're working because they have to have publicist. Excuse me. Are they not paying for your hair and makeup on the show? They never did the first season or the second. Wow, that was nice. And they didn't do it the first season at all. They didn't even want to pay the tax use the first season. You had to get yourself there. Oh my gosh. Well, that explains Tamara and the reunion. You know, you know, I can't stand it. Well, now they're paying for it. No, no, by the time you get to the fifth season, they're paying. But by the way, that was the other thing, New York with the guinea pigs. Because, you know, everything that presidences was set with New York, you know, raises and they everyone. New York had to fight the hardest to get anything. And then because they always said it was favored nations type of thing, you know? When you when you tell me stuff like that, it just makes me think that you've got a slap in the face. And I'm tired of you apologizing for everything Jill. Stop apologizing. I haven't apologized. I swear to God, I'm so sorry. No, That was funny. Just own the fact that that was funny. I have not I've gotten stronger. I'm not apologizing anymore. I stopped apologizing last season. I did. I swear. But you know what? But when I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong. But when I'm not wrong, I wish people would believe me, you know? Yes. That's the hard part. Okay. Well, let's let's let's pull the plug on this report. We're going to keep on talking if we don't stop. And then you can tell us a few other things off the record that you wanted to share. I'm so in trouble on probably getting a legal letter tomorrow. That's part of the fun of it, isn't it? No, no, no, don't get me in trouble, boys, edit out anything you think I can get in trouble, please. We will not do that. But I just I mean, you said that you had a few other things that you wanted to share with us. Oh, yeah. Off the record. All right. So let's wrap it up, then. Jill, thank you so much for coming on on our podcast. This is really fun and informative and juicy. And I don't think you actually said anything that would get you in trouble, to be honest. Okay. And we might we might have to have you back after the New York reunion, because it's going to be so boring and you'll need to live in it up with us. We'll have a podcast reunion. I think we're going to have to do it. Yeah, I think we're going to have to do it. Maybe we'll do it live or something. Oh, maybe maybe we'll come to New York and we'll do it there. Why not? Yeah. Maybe we should have a reunion and I'll get I'll get Cindy and we'll get Alex and we can have our own reunion. I think we should have a reunion of all the ex-housewives and where they are now. As long as you're there, that's all that matters. Oh, you guys are so nice. You're gonna make me cry. I can only imagine. I can only imagine. You're gonna make me cry. I'm the nice one. Like Alexis Boena. And then stay on the line. Okay. Okay. Bye. Everyone. Thank you for being with us for being with us. Don't forget to go to gamefly.com/haha and get your 15 day trial from Gamefly. They have over 7,000 tiles to choose from for all game systems and handhelds. No late fees, free shipping, cancel anytime. That's gamefly.com/haha to get your free 15 day trial. Gamefly. Games delivered. If you like listening to comedy, try watching it on the internet. 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