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Welcome to the Red Bull podcast, I'm Brett Boone, and today on The Program, I'm joined by a nine-time All-Star World Series champion with the Yankees in 1978. He was inducted into the baseball hall of fame in 2008. One of the true greats. I got to spend a little time with him a couple of weeks ago over in Nevada. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program, Goose Gossage Goose. Thanks for coming on the show. Oh, my pleasure, Brett, great spending a little time with you out in Vegas at that little function that we had. Yeah. We had a good time, and it was interesting, I got to catch up. We got to hang out with Raleigh, who I've known for years, and yeah, I'm looking forward to today. All right, we'll just get it on. In 1972, you're a rookie, and this past, or two weeks ago, our function, we got to talk a lot about the generations of baseball. I tease you about Grandpa and how he was a guy that told me that I had a lot to learn in my generation. So we'll go back to all our rookie seasons. Grandpa was a rookie in '47, Goose, and you and my father were rookies in '72. So I was a rookie in '92, and my son-in-law is a rookie in 2024. Tell me the difference. What is the difference from grants to you, to me, to today's game? Is it better in any one of those generations? Oh my god, Brett, I really don't know where to start. It's just in baseball, to me, is totally upside down. And I think what is at the center of this whole thing, is a way that changes, are going. Everybody says, "Oh, you're an old grumpy old man. You know, keep the ball out of my yard, all that crap." And you know what, there's a lack of respect starting at the top with Manfred, and everybody else that's running the game. This game has seen such a transition of all the changes that I don't even really know where to start, Brett. I will tell you this, your grandpa, Bob Feller, and all the greats that came before us, we didn't invent a game, Brett. They did, and they taught it to us, and that torch that was passed for 100 years by your grandfather and all the great boons and all the great players that came before them. That torch has stopped being passed. These nerds that are running the game today have no idea or respect. Manfred's starting at the top, he's a nerd too, and that's the bottom line, that there is no respect from these people that are running the game. They wouldn't know respect if they hit him in the face, Brett. So your generation was Marvin Miller. Your generation was Donald Fear. I don't know how much you were associated with those gentlemen. I know my dad has a lot of stories about the Marvin Miller days, Kurt Flood was a big part of those Union days. My generation in 1994, which was your last season in the game, we went on strike, canceled the World Series, and I was an assistant rep for the Cincinnati Red. So I got to spend a lot of time behind the scenes with Donald Fear. What has your experience been with player representation? You mentioned Manfred now, who's the commissioner of baseball and I had Bud Seelik. So tell me a little bit about that and your experience with the Union, the people on your side and the commissioners in the game during your tenure. Well, Donald Fear, I have little respect for. He took over everything that Marvin Miller set up. You know, Brett, I don't know that anybody else can say this. Somebody mentioned maybe Charlie Huff that in 1972 to 1994, my career spanned all eight work stoppages. Starting out in '72, we land on the tarmac in Chicago. I make the team two days before out of A-Ball, right? And I make the team, we land on the tarmac in Chicago. The player rep, Rick Reichhardt, calls the team meeting. We do playing, we're going to start the season in two days. He calls the team meeting out on the tarmac. We land in Chicago, all the cars, all the families are out there greeting their husbands and picking them up at the airport, out on the tarmac with their cars. And we have this team meeting. Reichhardt informed us right then and there that as of now, we are on strike. Wow, I don't know what, I have no idea, I'm on cloud nine. I'm just made the team two days before out of A-Ball. And now we are on strike. Those strikes or work stoppages or lockouts by the owner, there were eight of them. My career started out on the first one in '72 and it ended on the last one in '94 when we lost the World Series. And I don't think anyone else can say that, Brett. He Charlie Hupp is someone else mentioned to me. So I saw all the strikes. These kids today have no idea and they're not being informed of how they got to be making all this money. I am not bitter at all, I'm angry at the way that the torch has stopped being passed. Respect the game, you know, they called me when Batista flipped his back in that playoff game and he flipped his bat after hitting the bomb, right? And I got on him. You know what they called me? A racist. It's the same crap that's happening in our society deep today by our government. It's the same bunch of crap and those same bunch of nerds that are running the game that don't have a clue. They wouldn't even know how to put a cup on, right? They put it on backwards. Now it's like they have cut my heart out. That's how passionate I am about this game. It's not bitterness. I made, I feel bad for the, badly for the guys that came before me that didn't get on, in on the good money. I got in on some great money. It was right at the start of free agency. No one tells this story at all. The players association has no idea. These guys telling them about the respect of the game that everyone has lost. Fundamentals are out the door, out the window. Fundamentals that we went to spring training, you know, and your grandpa's rolling over in his grave as all the other older players that the generations before us, Brett, the hundred years of baseball before us that was passed from generation to generation. That is gone. Do you think it's the players to blame nowadays or is it the culture and how they're brought up? With starting with how, you know, goose, I'm sure, you know, we have similar stories. You're obviously a generation before me, but we probably have similar stories, how we, how we grew up. I, I can speak for myself, you know, when I was 10 years old, what did I do? I played little league and then little league ended. I played football and then football ended. I played basketball and I played street hockey in the street and I played touch football and wiffle ball game wherever we could get it going. And we rode bikes and that's what we did as kids today is different. I mean, these kids are brought up as, hey, you play one sport and you specialize in it, which I think is, is doing a terrible detriment to the kids today because and I put a lot on the parents, the parents don't understand that the chances of their kids making a living at this game, whether it be football, basketball, baseball, it's foreign for you between it. And I think they're robbing them of a fun childhood. I goose, I don't know about you, but I still go, I loved my childhood watching your generation play and getting to grow up in that era. That's some of my favorite times I've talked to you about this. I loved my generation when I was a big league player for 14 years, but man, I remember those little league games and there's some of my fondest memories was just kicking the crap out of another, my buddies from middle school and going and getting an ice cream cone and then going to the roller skate and go and looking, you know, looking for the girls that you had your eye on at that time. That's what being a kid was to me. And I think today's parents, the way they raised their kids, it's, hey, you're going to play one sport, you're going to be the best, you're going to go from team to team to team. And we don't have time for other sports. I think other sports shape you. I think football helps you be a better baseball player. I think soccer for some people, basketball for some people help you become a better baseball player. It keeps you well rounded and as kids, it doesn't burn you out. Is that a part of the problem now? How these kids grow up versus is it, I guess my question is, is it the players today or is it how they're brought up in the culture of the game of baseball now that's leading to what you believe is, is really a lesser product and, and something that, that lacks respect for previous generations. Much lesser. I see so many, I can't even watch the game, Brett. Base running mistakes are one on one that you would see in high school, running into outs. Oh my God, how many times I turn it off, I cannot watch it. You would be back in the minor leagues. Now getting back to your question about who's run in this game? Are the players, are the players, they're being turned into pussies because they're run by a bunch of pussies, they'll have no idea. Brett, they don't even train these people correct, these players correctly today. Let me tell you, if you're a coach in the big leagues today, you are a, you're the, you're the most well paid babysitter on the planet. That's all you are. To bring out the balls, if you get in a player's butt today, like I had coaches, when I got to the big leagues in 72, it was like, oh my God, this is, I mean, it was an eye opener. It was like I'd never played baseball before. The finer points of the game, the base running, the well rounded players, that everybody that you had to be coming out of the minor leagues today, you don't even know how to, have to run the bases, ball, small ballparks, they wanted to, these guys that are running the game by design, wanted to put in more offense and they'd gone completely out of their minds. This is why I say, Brett, I don't know where to start, just the lack of respect from these people. And the way they have changed the game, you know, pitch counts. Why would I give you a pitch count? That's a, that's a debilitating, absolutely right out of the chute. It's debilitating. All they, I saw it. I was with the Yankees for 20 years after I got out of the game. Mr. Steinbrenner invited me back to be part of that. He always kept the veterans around to lead us, catfish, hunter, Mickey Mantle, all those whitey forward. I'm like, those guys, that was out of body experiences when I was with the Yankees when I joined them. To be part of those guys around spring training, to have them there, that's gone. They don't even put any emphasis on leadership and it's just a, it's just a depressing thing for me to, to see the way this game has changed and along the same lines, the way our country has changed. It's the same bunch of nerds. Look at the cabinet of, of Biden. Oh my God. None of them are in charge of it and they can't even run their own lives. Every, you tell me one person in that administration that is, that is doing a great job. No one in our country is going down the tubes, just like baseball. And Manfred is at the top of it and all the rest of the nerds, you know these guys won their rotisserie leagues at Harvard and Yale and all these Brainiac schools, all these great schools, but they wouldn't know anything about the game. They won their rotisserie leagues, they think they know the game, just like parents Brett, you brought up the parents. They don't have a clue either. All they got is dollar signs in their, in their eyes. You know what? I did never thought about money. I was playing baseball. I would have played for free. I would have paid them to play Brett. You're the last of the old guard. You are taught the way and through your grandpa and your dad, you were taught to play the game the right way. Now we got steroid guys in the Hall of Fame, which is bullshit. What paddle is for their ass? None. They're getting rewarded for cheating. Maguire's not in the Hall of Fame. I played with him. I lockred next to him at Oakland. Didn't have any clue that these guys were on steroids. Esther's Lee and I had fit in the outfield watchies ball sale into, by the end of BP, we didn't even have balls left to hit them all into the seats. We had to go get more balls at times. What a joke. What a joke. And you know what? David Ortiz is in the Hall of Fame. He's a known steroid guy. I haven't gotten the chance. I hate to say this because I didn't say it to his face, but I didn't. I got cut off and we were all up in arms at our meeting with the Hall of Famers at the Hall of Fame, the last night of the induction weekend. And it all started out that everybody was up in arms. And I was going to ask the next question about, how would we do to the commissioner about these steroids and the guys like David Ortiz sitting right next to me or near me? And here's a known steroid guy that is in the Hall of Fame. Wow. What a bunch of crap. We're going to reward these guys for cheating because they had terrific careers. Wow. I, you know, I don't know where it's going to stop. I hope and I pray that the game comes around, you know, that pendulum that swings all the way from one side to the other. That's what's happened in baseball. They've lost their mind starting out extra innings with a guy on second base, a pitch clock pitch clock, yeah, they need a clock. Our favorite saying was, let's get this son of a bitch over with and go have a beer. Let's see how quick we can. We work. We were, we were, we worked fast. The faster I worked as a pitcher and the more strikes I threw, the better my defense played for me. Now they put everybody to sleep, pitch counts, they pitch less than they break down more. Go figure, Brett. They don't even train them properly. They wouldn't know if the baseball, they couldn't even pick a baseball out of a lineup of balls. That's how stupid these assholes are. And you know, you made a point and I want to get to that in a little bit and it was fascinating to me because there's so much talk on, on pitchers and pitch counts and how do we train them and what we do in between starts. And we're going to get to that a little later, but, but, but on our recent trip, you talked to me about the wind up and I, I haven't heard anybody talk about that before and it really opened my mind up like, wow, it's such a simple thing and I'm going to let you get to it in a bit. But I thought it was really interesting because nobody talks about the wind up today and, and the injuries that come with it. All right. I got a quick question before we get on to that is all this information we have. Now me as a player, man, I wanted everything I could get every piece of Intel, I could get on my opponent. What's that bullpen been doing? Who's been pitching the most innings? Who's hot? Who's not? The starter we're facing at night, man, if I could get my hands on some video of his last start and, and then maybe the last time I faced him to kind of prepare for the game. I loved it. Today, there's so much technology out there that everything's at your fingertips. What would goose gossage have done with all the information available to you now? Would you have trained or gone about your game different if you were playing in 2024? That's what's missing, Brett. They have stopped training and they have stopped coaching them. The information that these guys are giving new information is total bullshit. I keep asking everybody that I come in contact with nerds, everybody. What have you really brought to the game that has changed it, that has made it better? I don't need a launch angle or, or an exit velocity to tell me George Brett's ball is going to end up in the goddamn upper deck at Yeti Stadium in the 80 playoffs. It's all bull shit, it's all what you want to call eyewash. They have fooled everybody, and until these fans wise up, because the product that these guys are putting on the, on the field, do you don't, do you realize this, Brett? They don't want my, my knowledge. They wouldn't know knowledge if it hit them in the face, Brett, because they don't know the game. All the things that we were taught, that isn't out of the book, that isn't out of everybody. Parents are the same way. They see baseballs, hit it over the fence, it's a home run. Hit a single, you get first base, triple, you go to third, okay, that's it. That's as far as they know about this game. Let me tell you something, it was an eye opener when I got into baseball. How I was taught, completely, and you know what the first thing was, Brett, was respect. Manfred has zero, he wouldn't know respect, he's making 20 million a year, whatever, whatever he's making, which is really, really sad, that this man is getting paid to destroy the greatest game on the planet. Let me tell you something again, Brett, baseball parallels life, that's why we all love it so much. It's a game of failure. There is nothing that you can fail at seven out of ten times and be a star, nothing. Somebody said maybe a weatherman, that's it, it's a joke, why would I put a pitch count in your head, wind-ups, you won't get back to your wind-up, everybody's got all these theories about why there aren't because they played too much in high school, or they played too much in the league, or they did this, or they did that, bullshit, I'll tell you what, they wound up for 100 years, Brett, and then they went to the no wind-up and I know how that started exactly, Tommy House, my pitching coach at Texas, in '91, wanted me in Nolan to try this no wind-up, Nolan told him to go shit in his hat, and that was the end of our thing on the side, Nolan had a side, Tommy House stopped by my locker and he said, "Hey goose, Nolan's got a side to date," he goes, "When you see him heating it up on the side in the bullpen," he goes, "Come on over because I want to try, I want you guys to try some, I want you to show something, I want to show something to you." So I see Nolan heating up during bat and practice, I'm on the field, shagging, I look over and Nolan's starting to heat it up, I trot over, Tommy House stands in front of him when I got over there, he says, "Okay," he goes, "Nolan, I want you guys to try this no wind-up," Nolan goes, "Get the hell out of my way," and that was the end of that. They wound up, when you pick your hands, and I want these kids, these pit-least players, they wound up for 100 years, they incorporated the big muscles, Brett, I didn't have a pitch count, as the season went on and we logged more innings, we got stronger, wow, that's a new concept, right? We don't start out, Randy Johnson pitched a complete game shutout, christening Jacob's field my last year in '94, we opened the season, I got a tryout with Seattle, made the team, now we open in Jacob's field in Cleveland, the new field, he pitches a one-nothing and shut out, complete game, wow, see these pussies and I would buy into the pitch count, if there were less injuries, you can't play in the big leagues unless you got Tommy John surgery or rotator cuff surgery or whatever. We never broke down, we got stronger because we trained, now they've stopped because they have no clue about what they're doing, it is awful, Brett, it is just like they cut my heart out, and I guarantee you the people that love this country and love this game, Bob Feller is rolling over in his grave, man he was tough, what you saw was what you got, now you got a bunch of pussies running everything and that's why we're in the shape that we're in, these fans are buying into this game, it is, it is, it is really, really really sad for me to watch the way this, Bochi, Bochi's old school and you know what, he's won a bunch of championships going back to playing the game the way it was meant to get him on, get him over, get him in, the strategy, the real beauty of the game, the strategy, gone because of these nerds, nobody even knows how to bunch, all they get paid for is that they hit the ball over the goddamn fence, what a bunch of bullshit. 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And you know, when it comes to the, and I, you know, self proclaimed, I'm not a pitcher, never have been a pitcher, matter of fact, I stayed away from you guys because I didn't like when I, when I, when I'd be friendly with a teammate of mine, then I had to face him a year later on another team, I felt like it gave him an advantage. But no, that's, that's, I'm kind of, excuse me, Brett, excuse me, I got to cut you off. All right. They all hug and love around the cages and you know what we got fined, if we said, if we had a friend or somebody, you know, an ex teammate on another team, I hated hitters. I didn't want to know. I thought it took the edge off. If I say hi to somebody, I don't want to like you. That's how I was taught. Right. And I was pissed when I ended up liking you now, now they, now they get on the field and they hug and they love and they're, oh man, they're just so cool. Oh my God, what a joke. My thing with the pitching and it makes perfect sense and you talk about the windup that they've been doing for a hundred years. I'm all for, you know, getting better, finding new techniques, but you're right. I'm seeing more injuries now. I've talked to players, teammates of mine that were pitchers. I've talked to trainers, I've talked to surgeons, there's more Tommy Johnson, there's ever been, I think, once again, it goes back to youth and how we're brought up and how you're coddled in the minor leagues and held back on your pitch count and then all of a sudden, the big leagues, it's full steam ahead as hard as you can go as long as you can go. I think there's something to that. I look at the Nolan, Ryan's, I look at the Randy Johnson, who I was a teammate with. They didn't worry about pitch counts. They built up to them and we're throwing a hundred and fifty pitchers in your right. They didn't get hurt now. The games changed. They have specialties for the fifth inning, sixth inning, seventh inning, eighth inning. The game's different than when I played or when you played. That being said, the injuries continue to pile up. So I, the layman in me, the just curious hitter, offensive player thinks, well, if the injuries are right, why don't they go back to the guys that threw 150 pitches and train like they? They did. Wouldn't that make sense to me? It's just a rational mind, not basing it on anything, but thinking, yeah, why don't they just go back to that? I think you're wind up that you're proposing is behind a lot of this. I think it makes sense and it's very simple. It just, you know, and I don't know if you can explain it without the video, but it was really interesting when you brought that point up. Here is the theory, Brett, about the no wind up, the less that you do, the less they can go wrong. Now, that makes sense, simplify, make it simpler. That was Tommy House, I just say, Tommy House set pitching back 100 years and I'll tell you when, well, just start with this. You parents and you little leaguers and you big leaguers, you big leaguers got to start at the big leagues level because I change it kid. I tell a kid to work his wind up, try this wind up over your hand, hands over your head, lift your arms up, lift your hands over your head like a wind up. You feel, Brett, you can do it sitting in your chair, lift your arms up and you feel those big lats come into play. If you don't lift your hands over your head, you don't feel those big lats. Everybody is pitching basically from the stretch position all day long. There's no movement, there's no deception, Brett, you know, as a hitter, would you rather face me, check my wind up out, or a little pussy wind up, I call him pieces shit, one wind up. That's what I call them, Tommy House's piece of shit wind up. That's what it is. Let's go to your era. And there were a lot of more firemen in your era than winning. How would goose goshage do in today's game, 2024, when you knew I'm coming in in the ninth, maybe you got to get a hitter out in the eighth, but you pretty much, you're the closure, you come in in the ninth inning, you've got a clean inning. But how would you do, would it be easier for you, or did you prefer the way you did it before? And let's go up it around the closers today, a clausé from the Cleveland Indians, probably the top closer in the game today. How would he do if he had to go back to Goose's era, where you got to come in and put out the fire of that starting pitcher? Well, it's what the nerds have created. These pitchers would be crying, oh my God, in the agents, oh, you can't pitch all those his arms going to fall off, well, your arms are falling off anyway. Something's wrong, drastically wrong. Now, let's just get back to the basics of what pitching used to be. And I broke into the big leagues in 1972, starters still prided themselves, and way past that, until these pitch counts came into, they prided themselves, these starters, on finishing what they started, right? And then when they got in trouble, later in that game, that was my game. I come in bases loaded, sometimes in the sixth, seventh inning. Here's how it was put to me. I'm a rookie, Chuck Tanner and Johnny Sane, Johnny Sane, oh my God. When I got to the big leagues, the stars were aligned. The coaching that I got that is missing today, this goes back to what I'm talking about, Brett. When I got to the big leagues, let me tell you something, there isn't a professional baseball out of high school. It was like, oh my God. The knowledge that these coaches had in rookie league, they put their greatest old teachers with these young kids, like myself, in a ball, in rookie league, the lowest classification of professional baseball, that's where I was sent out of high school. And they taught me the mechanics of pitching. And I say the stars were aligned when I got into the game. When I got to the big leagues, I had Johnny Sane, I could throw a ball through a car wash without getting wet, but I had no idea what an off speed pitch was. He showed, let me tell you, this is really interesting, Johnny Sane, I opened some eyes in spring training just during a batting practice session. And from then on, I was on their radar. I'm going back to A-ball, this is my first full year of professional ball. The first season was I graduated out of high school short season and signed that contract with the White Sox. And when I, as I said, early on in a rookie league, when I got so many great Sam Harrison and Joe Jones, guys that were minor league guys forever, Sam Harrison, oh my god, a black man, the greatest, I mean the knowledge in these guys was amazing, Ray Berries, an old catcher that they had with me that taught me my mechanics right out of his chute. Then I go to the big leagues with Johnny Sane and I said, I could throw a ball through a car wash, but I had no idea what an off speed pitch was. And to run into him and then I ran into another guy, Dick Allen, that took me under his wing. The greatest player that I ever saw play took me under his wing. He hit balls that I never saw on the wire or so say, or so say or any of these steroid guys, Conseco or Jeez, all these guys. I never saw a man hit a ball like Dick Allen, we're trying to get him into the Hall of Fame. If he isn't in the Hall of Fame, they shouldn't even have one, that's my thing. You know what? I hear that a lot. I hear Dick Allen and Phil, and you hear the praise coming from people that played with and against him. That's always been to me that it's always Dick Allen, and you to this day, you tell Bob Boone, hey, what about Dick Allen? He's going to have a reaction like you did, Brett. He hit balls like very few people, and I hear that overwhelming. I think I was a little too young to watch Dick Allen. I mean, I think I was four or five years old, but I remember him and I see the pictures. I might remember being around Dick Allen and those Philly clubhouses, but that's the overwhelming consensus from guys from your generation. When you mention that Dick Allen, it lights up the room. Oh, yeah, no question. But that's not where I'm going. He taught me location on a hitter, how to pitch them, pitch counts, all of the things that matter. Do you think these nerds talk about that? Hell no. Another, another coaches. If you're a coach in the big leagues today and you get in a player's ass, you're fired. We had coaches that would put a foot up your butt, and if you got into a with them, you were facing the music in that manager's office. So now I get called into Tanner's office, right? Johnny Sane is sitting right next to Tanner in a chair behind it, outside his desk. Terry Forrester, they called me in Terry Forrester, a hard throw and left handed kid. Most awesome stuff I ever saw a pitcher have was Terry Forrester. Now we're flame throwers, we're young kids, and we're coming from the right, and we're coming from the left. Terry Forrester being a lefty. We walked into that office, Tanner said, sit down, he sat down, he said, listen, this is how you're going to be used. When those starters get in trouble, it's going to be you guys. Wow, I'm out of able. And now I'm coming into bases loaded, nobody out. It was baptism under fire, Brett. I think what we get into. And now the game's going to be the game, because a lot of the finances are going into the bullpen. They're kind of grooming these kids in the minor leagues to be bullpen guys. Not necessarily when you were coming up, you were a starter, and when you weren't a starter, then you go to the bullpen. I think it's different now, but I think we're also seeing in 2024 the last of that generation that finished games, the Verlanders of the world. And I think if the game's changed, there's so much money in the game now. I still think the mentality of a starting pitcher has got to be whether they let me or not. I'm going nine. And now, okay, once in a while, if I can go nine, which today's game is rare as anything, but I think the mindset set still needs to be there. Give me the ball. I'm going nine, get out of my way. Now, you're going to get tackled on the mound in 2024. They're pretty much not going to let you go nine, but I think that mindset is something that needs to be had when we were coming up goose as rookies. And even in my generation, I came up at 92 and I had a great bunch of mentors. I remember Chris Bozzio on the pitching side, Jay Booner on the offensive side. Were guys that were my mentors? I got to the big leagues. I was a brash kid, people called me cocky. I don't know what it was, but those guys gave me the tough love. They took care of me away from the, but I'll tell you what, when I got to the ballpark, it was speak when spoken to. You got to earn your stripes at the big league level and I remember there. We all probably have a time we remember where we finally felt I've arrived as a big leaguer. I had that day in Minnesota late in or in the middle of the season in 1993 playing under Lou Penella, who man gave me a hard time. If I look back on how I came to the big leagues, I wouldn't change a thing. I think it made me better. I think it humbled me. I think I got my butt kicked and I learned how to get off the mat. Today's game is different. They bring you to the big leagues as a rookie. There's none of that tough love. There's none of that hazing. It's all, hey, let's make you as comfortable as you can. Their argument is we want to make these young players comfortable right away and they'll be better players. I don't know if that's a better way to do it. Like I said, my generation, the way I got brought, I wouldn't change a thing. I think it taught me valuable, not only baseball lessons, but life lessons, but the thought today is bring them up, coddle them, make them comfortable as quick as you can be so they can add to the bottom line. I don't know if that's necessarily the right way, but that's their argument. Your thoughts. Well, Brett, I'll tell you where it started with money. When we made $20,000 a year, $12,500 in 1972 was the minimum salary and it wasn't about the money. As I said, I would have paid them. If I could have found $12,000, I'd have paid them to play, right? But with money, with the contracts the way they are, they let money dictate this whole thing. When they had $20,000 in me, or $12,500, they threw us to the wolves. If he gets hurt, so what? But you know what? We didn't get hurt. We trained. It's called training. It's called training. They wouldn't know training or respect or anything else about this game. It hit them in the frickin' nose, Brett. And with money, you know, we trained. I was in a closer. I resent being called a closer. I was a relief pitcher. Starter still prided themselves on finishing what they started when I got, when I broke into the game. I saw the total transition of that game become where the bullpen was an old junk pile, Brett. Where old starters went that couldn't go nine. There were some great pitchers down there that were very effective when I got into the big leagues. They were veteran guys, but couldn't go nine, but they were still productive pitchers. Now I saw that total transformation where you did not want to be in the bullpen back then. It was a junk pile. And then I became to love it. I hated starting. I became to hate starting. I started all in the minor leagues. I was the MVP of the Midwest League. Learning that change up that Johnny Sainte taught Chuck Tanner. Here's the story that I forgot to tell, forgot to finish. Johnny Sainte shows Chuck Tanner had the mechanics of throwing a change up. I got this side down in Moline, Illinois, A-ball. Chuck Tanner and Roland Heaman jumped on a little puddle jumper playing. They had a Monday off day and they wanted me. That's when I said I had made an impression in spring training on these guys. They said, "We got to get this kid an off-speed pitch." Johnny Sainte showed Chuck Tanner the mechanics of it. It's so simple. I show little leaguers my change up. It's not a circle. It's not a big old grip that you've got to get all used to. It's right off a two-seam fastball and it's like you're playing catch with your friend and you're going to trick him at close range and he's like, "You're going to throw one through him." And then you pull the string. It's that simple. And I picked that thing up. I ended up being the MVP, getting invited to camp as a non-roster player and making that team. But it was because of that change up and the coaching. You're a babysitter if you're a coach today. I know a coach that got in Baron Judge's ass, right? Three days later after the playoffs, game seven. Game seven down in Houston when they ended up losing the game. Coach told him, "You need to get your head out of your ass and make some changes." Well he didn't. They end up losing. I think Judge went home for four again. And that was it. I mean, I lost my train of thought. I'm so upset about this. Anyway. No, you were talking about the coach that you were talking to with the Yankees. Yeah. And I got relieved of his duties. Oh yeah. He got fired two days later because he told Judge to get his head out of his ass. That's the condition of the game today. Let me tell you in any business, and that's the way our society is going. Who were the... You ask any successful man or woman in any position who their teachers were? They were the toughest. They'd put an arm around you when you needed it. Johnny Sane, Chuck Tanner was as tough as they came. But boy, they'd put an arm around you too, but they'd put a foot up your ass too. That's missing. That's gone. The training is gone. The training is gone. Mariano Rivera, getting back to what they turned these guys into. One inning guys. Oh my God. Do what I did and we'll compare apples to apples. We are comparing apples to oranges completely from the game, top to bottom. And man threads at the top, and I cannot stand that man. What he had done and what these people have done to this game, starting out an inning after the extra innings because they don't want to tax the pitchers, whatever it is. How do they come to that conclusion? You can't take a catcher out of home plate. You can't take a second base the nurse shortstop out of that seconder short on a turn two. What's your pussies? Don't I tell every big leaguer I see. Don't let these pussies turn you into a pussie. I'll tell you, you hit home with me on that. The play at second base because, you know, I don't like it because it's not baseball. That's how I set these. That's how I separated myself as an elite defender was a tell you what. I, everybody play second base. Okay. We all get thrown into a pile. Now who can turn that tough double play with someone barreling in on you trying to knock you in the left field with the game on the line? That's how you separated yourself from the pack at second base defensively. And now that that's what I make fun of. You know, I talked to dad about the play at home plate. People still don't know the the actual rules. Can you be in the baseline as your leg in the baseline? My dad's like, I was taught to block the plate and I had to take a hit here and there. I like that part of the game because now at second base, the peanut lady can turn too. I can bring in any left field or he can turn a double play because they have to slide right in the back. So, so you hit a sore spot with me. I really hate it when they made that rule trade. All right. I got a question for you. You're in college. It's not baseball, it is something else that they are turning because they know nothing about this game and they think just like parents do getting back to that. They think they know the game because it's a very simple game, but it is so complex. You're in Colorado. If the Colorado Rockies called goose gaseage right now, now, don't tell me you're not going to take it. Let's just for a hypothetical reason, say you took it. Rockies called you right now and said, goose, I need you to be in charge of our pitchers. What are three things you're doing in 2024? Well, I've got to start over from square one about, you know, getting these guys to, you know, pitch, throw pitches, you know, work, get in shape. You can't get in shape throwing the way these guys are throwing. I don't know how Mariano, Mariano would pitch like six or seven innings in spring training one pitch at a time. You know what? I would ask my pitching coach during spring training and the guys that knew me that were there multiple years already knew that I needed to get three innings in, two or three times during spring training in a B game, wherever they could fit me in for getting three innings in because that's what I was going to do. Now they pitch one inning, they turn, they're turning these guys into a bunch of pussies. Mariano, he wouldn't understand, no one understands what I'm talking about. Do not compare me. It's just like Brett, comparing a starter up today to, to comparing a starter of yester year, a Bob Gibson or all the greats that pitched, oh my God, they're rolling over in their graves. What they turned it, what they have turned this game into is unbelievable. Bass running mistakes, 101, bass running, 101 mistakes. You know what? That's what's missing in the game today are the fundamentals. What did we, what did we go over Brett, time after time in spring training, year after year after year, all we did was, was go over the basic fundamentals that we learned when we were seven or eight years old that makes you into a great player. These guys can't even do that because it's not required because they wouldn't know these nerds today, the nerds would have no clue about how to run a game or be a man. How about be a man, boy, that's a, that's a new, a new thing or a bunch of pussy. That's what our book men are becoming. Let's go to the managers, how they've changed so much over there. You mentioned Boach, Boach was one of my favorites. I played for Boach for one year. Lou is, that's kind of, I beat that dead horse. He's my favorite of all time. 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You played for for him in San Diego and prior I think you played for Dick in New York and in San Diego. Oh, they were tough. And let me tell you, if you were a young kid and you came into the big leagues and you made a 101 basic mistake, you with for Dick, you were back in the minor leagues. And with that, you learned because there was some urgency. Ah, ah, the pussies are turning all the players into a bunch of pussies, a bunch of softies. Oh my God. Like I said, how's another starting pitcher ever, are there, are you now five, 20 wins? If you're starting pitcher and you win 20 in your career, would be amazing. Think about that, Brett, how's another starting pitcher ever going to go into the Hall of Fame going five innings? Well, what they're going to do is they're going to never. They're not even going to win 20 games in their career if they played 20 years, which they're not going to. They might win two games a year, maybe well, they're going to change the criteria, how you're voted in. It's just like on the offense. They're going to change. They've already changed it, which you'll, yeah, and then where they're going to do Louis T on Tom and John, these guys that are, they're not in the Hall of Fame, but we're great pitchers. Those are just two that I'm mentioning. There are more, Louis T on Oh my God, Tommy John G. They got a surgery named after him that they're all proud of. It's like you can't play in the big leagues unless you have Tommy John surgery. Holy shit. What is that? It seems like, well, I mean, all right, Goose, let's go on my side of the ledger, the offensive side. They've completely, they're changing the game now. They're telling me and my job for the bulk of my career was to drive in runs. They're telling me that the RBI isn't a valuable, is valuable of a metric as I was told batting average man. The guys that I play with, even to this day, the guys that I have on the bread boom podcast, the guys that are 300 career hitters, boy, do I have a lot of respect for that because I know I hit 300 a few times in my big league career and I know how hard it was to do it for a career. It's unbelievable. And I think the game now is cheapening batting average. Well, for me, and I know for you as a pitcher, you can talk OPS all, all you want, but in the ninth inning with the game on the line, you want to face a guy hitting 220 with a decent OPS because he's an out. The guys that are hitting 300s, the Tony Gwen's of my generation, those are the guys I want up in the ninth inning because they got a chance. Those elite closers, the elite guys that are at the end of the game, they don't walk you. So OPS becomes a new relevant stat. It's now the guy that's hitting 320. He's got a chance to hit against that elite guy. They're cheapening the RBI, the average, so everything's changing. So I think going forward in the Hall of Fame, you're going to be, you're not going to be docked points for striking out 180 times in a year. You've got some of the great hitters that normally in my generation, your generation, would be hitting third and fourth in the lineup. Now they're hitting first and second, so they're not going to drive in as many runs. So I think from a pitching standpoint, the metrics are going to change and you're not going to be judged on wins and losses because the game doesn't promote wins and losses anymore. They'll bring you out of the game. If you're the number one guy, they'll bring you out of the game without getting that five innings under your belt, which is required to get a W because they don't care about that anymore because they've got all their money in that fifth inning guy, in that sixth inning guy and that seventh inning guy. So the answer I come to is the metrics are going to change and how the Hall of Fame is voted on. And they're cutting down on big contracts, they're running these guys through the shuttle. You break down gone, see you later, we got another guy that can do what you did. There's no emphasis on knowledge or veteranship, none, zero, because they don't know how valuable that is. These guys, when I broke into the game, let me tell you, you didn't say shit if you had a mouthful. Yeah, no. That's the way the game was and that's how I was taught the game to respect it. I got taught, hey, I got taught how to act as a professional, as a baseball player, how to conduct myself on the field, how to conduct myself everywhere. That is gone. These idiots are running the game flipping bats and disrespecting. I never got disrespected by a hitter and I never showed a hitter up ever in my career. Well, we think back to the game, the respect of your opponent, that is gone. Well, and they're turning them into a bunch of pussies. That's all. Here's my question for you, Guisto, and I got asked this question a year ago when it was coming on a show and they said, what are the unwritten rules? My answer to that question, let me think about that for a minute, because we know what the unwritten rules were. We know in your day, when you're on the mountain, you get somebody at second base gets caught, relaying pitches. Well, there's going to be a price to pay and we all are aware of it on the field of an eye for an eye. My generation was the same thing, but I thought about that question because I wanted to give a good answer instead of just a reactionary answer and I said, you know what? The unwritten rules or whatever the current players decide they are, and this is just a hypothetical. I'm not saying Justin Verlander, but if Verlander thinks it's okay for a hitter to hit a home run and flip his bat and he doesn't have a problem with it, well, that's the player today. It's their game right now. It's not Brett Boone's game anymore. It's not Goose Gossage game because we're not current players. It's the current players game, whatever they decide are the rules are the rules. I think also history, each and every one of our generations will be judged in the history of the game of that generation, but I can't sit here as an ex player, you know, and I'm an analyst and I analyze today's game with the current metrics, but I can't tell them how to run their game because I'm not on the field anymore and I don't have that. There's no capacity for me to do that. So that's what I think about that side of the ledger. It's their game. It's not our game. It's going forward. How do we improve the game? How do we get it better? Do you think the game will come back to some old-fashioned? I think there's so many positive things that can come from a team game from, you mentioned it. And it's silly and everybody just says, "Oh, move runners. Do that." No, but I'm telling you, as an offensive player, how important it was. It was to move runners, to hit a sacrifice fly in a sack. Sometimes it took with the infield back, hitting an eight-hopper to shortstop because you know what? That's a point for my team. It's so mental. It creates camaraderie amongst the team when you got everybody pulling on the same end of that rope. When that three-hole hitter will move a runner to get that four hitter and RBI that hasn't had one psychologically for a week, that is huge. And if he sees that three-four hitter, that 25th man on the roster sees that three-hole hitter, that four-hole hitter, move and runners, sacrificing themselves, I'll be damned if they're not going to do it. And that's how you bring together and make the most cohesive rosters I've ever seen. The great teams I played on, that's how we played. And that's how you look at each other and you go, "He's going to do it and I'm going to do it and I'm going to do it." Next thing you know, everybody's doing it. Those are the best teams I've ever played on. And I'd love to see the game getting back to that because that's a winning formula. And you can add whatever you do in the modern game and the home runs and the bigger, stronger, faster. Ballparks are smaller. If you get back to good, fundamental baseball, it's timeless. And that'll never go away. You'll always be successful doing playing the game the correct way. What are your thoughts? Well, one of the biggest jokes was the shift. What a joke. Are you kidding me? They're giving you a double. All you got to do is lay a blunt down and not perfectly down the third baseline and keep running the second base. End of shift, hello, and you keep doing it two or three times. That's all. And they think because of a big hitter, okay? They got him pulled. He's a dead pull hitter. We had Boop-Pow. You know what we did? We played off the line, dead pull hitter, right? Six or seven, eight, eight, ten feet off the bag, left, third base bag, Brett. Boop-Pow used to kill first baseman, second baseman, hitting bombs down the first base, you know, pulling it. You know what we shifted on him a little bit. And you know what the big bastard did, laid down three, three buns and now he's on first base. Sure. Yeah. Do you have a, some, that makes your arm first base. It's going to take at least two hits, maybe three hits to get him in. But would you take a single? Absolutely. End of shift is my point, these dumbasses, and it was like a, and it was like it was all, all choreographed because this is the game we're going to play and you've got a play, our game. Bullshit. I'll tell you, Bochi won three out of world, three out of five world championships when he was with San Francisco back when he won those three world championships. How did he do it? He did it with a bunch of no names. Sure. Do they had a panda at third base? They had a couple of cornerstone guys, posy at catching. That was it. Other than that, who else did they have? He's Hunter, what was the name and right? Hunter Pence. Hunter Pence. You don't even know who Hunter Pence is, but boy was that a hell of a, he was a hell of a team player. And that's how they won three world championships because they didn't buy into the bullshit. And now he's with Texas and look at, I've always said, you give me an old school team that gets them on, gets them over, gets them in over 162 games. We will kick the shit out of these nerdy buttholes. I don't know what they call them. All right. Last question. I'll let you go. Let's go to the 78, your 78 Yankees team. Okay. Yeah. Just come on, put on. You got it. You got to, you got to work with me a little bit here and just a mat. Yeah. I'm going to let your imagination go. Okay. You've got that team, but it's 2024. So you got Twitter, you got Reggie Jackson on Twitter. How is that going to play out in today's game? With those 78 Yankees with social media, the way we lived our lives, the way we went about our business with today's technology, how would that 78 Yankees team do in 2024? They call bullshit. That's what they do. We go back to the old school and we would, and Bochi, I think it's proof. You play old school baseball over 162 games, you're going to win every year. You give me an old school team. Look at Bochi down at Texas now. He's already won three world championships with San Francisco doing it the old way. Get them on the beautiful way. The real beauty of baseball is the strategy. That strategy is gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, and role players are gone. You don't even know. You don't even have to bump anymore or hit to the right side, move that runner from second base to third, get him in scoring position. Oh my God, over 162 games, judge, you can strike out 200 goddamn times. Let me tell you something. I would, as the pitcher, Dick Allen, copy this, I would call timeout. Aaron judges up in Yankee Stadium. I'm facing him. I'm going to call timeout and tell everybody, "Time out." Aaron, I'm going to walk halfway in. I'm going to say, "Hey, Aaron, I'm going to smile. I'm going to say, "Hey, I'm going to throw you three heaters right here. Let her high on the plate in, on the plate, not off the plate. I'm not knocking you down because I can't do that anymore. I can't come close to you. Right? 40 uppers got his mask off and win, and warning me. Right? I'm going to tell Aaron, judge, I'm going to throw you three heaters here, Aaron. Let her high, elevate the ball, and you're going to go sit down. That's how simple pitching is, keep it simple. It's not rocket science. They have turned this game upside down, but get them on, get them over, get them in breath. Wow. And the changes that they have made, oh, it's just so irritating and so against my grain and so, I'm so passionate about this game, and I was taught. That's how I play 22 years, Brett, and the respect of this game that I have earned, it's just like life. You don't respect life, you're just screwed. You're in for a long-ass haul. Let me tell you something. Getting back to when I worked with Colorado, I was Dan O'Dowds, a participant, right? This is 1995 or 4, 5, 6, somewhere like that. I got out of the game in '94, and they invited, they, they, Clint Hurdle wanted me to be his pitching coach. I threw out $350,000, and I said, are my crazy? That's a million-dollar job. If you really want to be a pitching coach, okay? I stayed up all night, Brett, at 350 wondering, oh my God, if they, if they accept this, oh, that isn't even, for me to get back into this thing. Now, getting back to Dan O'Dowds, he's a dumbass, okay? I told him, grow the grass out. I never knew the grass was that fast. It was like a pool table, Brett. And that's how Dan O'Dowd wanted it. He wanted to put more offense. Now, here's getting back to old school baseball. What can't you control? The air, back Colorado, right? Right. Right there. The ball will fly out. Now you've got to deal with this field. It's all offense. They are not, they paid, would they pay $100 million for Hampton? And what is he? A ground ball pitcher? There is no ground ball pitcher that could make a living on a course field because the grass is like a pool table, right? And Dan O'Dowd wanted to make that field as fast as he could make it. Go figure that. Now you could have four Vince Coleman's at course field covering that outfield. I'm talking four Vince Coleman's who could fly and run down anything. That ain't going to happen. Nobody. You watched. It's a track meet with Larry Walker and all those guys with great teams that they had up there. They just had the alleys. They just head for the wall, picked the ball up when it stopped rolling. And it's a track meet with hitters, with runners, base runners. It's just like a track meet. I told Dan O'Dowd, grow out the grass, give something back to your pitchers, grow that grass out in the outfield, cut those alleys down like they did in other ball parts, Detroit. That grass was, it was almost, hey, you would hit twice and die and we'd have to find it in that stuff because those alleys were so big at Detroit. Yeah. How do you think Alan Tremo and Lou Whitaker got all those balls and were the Keystone combo of Major League Baseball over the years because they could get the balls. These balls are hit two feet, one foot to your right or left or two feet to your right or left. You can't get to them. That's why Colorado is doing what they're doing. They are idiots, the monitor. Colorado's, it's such a challenge for the pitchers because people don't take in all the consideration. First of all, it's a big ballpark. But if you get, what did you miss there? Yeah. There is no outfield. I guarantee you, there is no outfield bigger than Colorado's. Right. So the players, so the players are so separated that me as a hitter. If I get it up, the ball carries so far, that's a homer. But also I'm flipping in all my jam shots. They're all falling in so much room out there and as the pitcher, the sinkers don't sink as much because of the air, the break them balls aren't as sharp because of the air. So advantage advantage advantage hitter, if those balls that are hidden to that outfield aren't right at the outfielder, they're to the wall. Yep. It's definitely. I'm telling you. Hitter is like an infielder that that outfield was so goddamn fast. And I told him the last time I asked him in an organizational meeting, you know what? I said, girl, we all got our say, right? Owners are there. Everybody's there. In attendance. It's an organizational meeting. They went around to each coach and each person and said, what do we need to do? I said, grow the grass out, down or down through his clipboard down on his, stood up through his clipboard down, said, that's the last goddamn time I want to hear about growing the grass out. Now, that's how stupid these people are. Dan O'Dowd, he's got a big job on MLB network, analyzing, and he doesn't know shit from Shinoa. And I'll tell him that to his face. I went in like three days later in resign with Kelly McGregor, the general manager. I when he wasn't a general, he was a president, I'm sorry. I didn't even give it to O'Dowd. That's how lack of respect I have for that man doesn't know shit about the game. None of these guys do. Look at these analysis. Look at, look at these jokes, a rod. Are you kidding me? What a joke he is. He's a, he's a clown. That's what he is. And so is David Ortiz. Goose Halley's got like who are now in games, you kidding me? How's Brett, Brett Boone's analysis? Oh, I, your old school, I'd like to know, let me ask you a question, Brett. I'm, I'm the only years. Let's go. I mean, you tell me, I haven't asked you this question. I ask everybody that I come in contact with. It's, you know, a nerd or whatever. You're not a nerd. You're an old school guy. What have they brought to the table that has really changed this game, that has really made an impact on it? Tom, what if they brought to the game that you think, are you talking a benefit made the game better? Yeah, benefiting the game that's made it better. Okay. From a player's perspective. I love it. From anybody's perspective. I, well, no, no, what I'm saying is from a player's perspective, I, I prided ourselves in our team. Let's just like this from a player's perspective, how about someone that knows the game? What have they really brought to the game that has made it better? Okay. I'll give you my answer. Yeah. And once again, from the players perspective, I don't like it as much because I really, I really have a lot of respect for that hundred and six, two game grind. And I think the best thing I know, no, no, what I'm saying is this, what I think's better for the game of baseball, for the fans, for the whole is that the way they've, they've made the playoffs, they've expanded it to 12 teams from a player's perspective. I don't like it, but from an entertainment value, more eyeballs, more people involved, you keep more cities in the game longer, you have a more exciting postseason. That's what I think is better in the game now from a fan's perspective and for me. Exciting for mediocrity. You act that that's from an entertainment value for bringing more people to the arena of being a baseball fan. I think the postseason is now because years ago, there were only four teams that made it to the postseason. So that means all the other cities we're talking about football in August. Now I find by expanding the postseason, I think September, man, you've got everybody still buzzing about baseball because you got seven, eight, nine, 10 more cities still involved and still have a chance to the very end. From a player's perspective, I don't like it because I like that 162 and I think you've got to grind it out and the best teams are standing. But from an overall making the game better, bringing more baseball fans into the full world wide, I think more cities talking about it in September and their city still involved and still having a chance. I think that's been good for baseball. You like that or no? I couldn't agree more with you. Yeah, the more teams are involved, but it's mediocrity is my point. Everything's mediocre in the big leagues today. There are no standards anymore. It's out the window. You know, there was the emergency you could put a foot, what's that? How many percentage wise would you say? Okay. Percentage wise of what? Percentage wise in the game today, the players today. How many do you think really have that old school mentality? Do you think there's any or do you think there is but a small percentage? I don't know of any. I'm sure that these guys are no different than us, but they're being, you know, they're being manipulated and brainwashed and the agents are bad and, you know, you get into it with a coach and then the general manager, the agent calls the general manager and then you're fired. That's just the way it is and it's just, well, you know, I mean, how much can you? There is so much about this game, every facet of it that is different, Brett. Yeah. There is nothing that I see in the game that is the same, first base, second base. And then after that, you're putting this guy on second base for extra innings. So, so it doesn't mess up your who we're going to use for tomorrow, screw tomorrow. We got a win today and then we'll figure out tomorrow. Yeah. Oh, this is, this is just nails on a chalkboard. That's what it is for me, buddy. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, it's, it's, you know, I grew up in this game and I've had such a special life and being able to hang with the multi-generations and getting those grandpa talks and living through your generation and my dad generation. My generation. Yeah. The current generation is what it, what, what I would write it up as. But you know, baseball for me is, is baseball, you were always going to, you know, have our passions for our, our favorite time in the game. It's definitely different. Now I'd love to see some changes. And like you said, the pendulum swing back a little bit, I don't think the game's ever going to go back to the way it was in the 40s and the 50s or the 60s and the 70s. But I think it needs a little bit of a correction. That pendulum's got to swing back. It's going to continue to go forward. The game's too different. The finances are too different, but, but, you know, it is the greatest game in the world. It always has been. And I know you think that I know you're not happy with the current stage of it right now. But I know it heart baseball is near and dear to you. And interesting, I'll tell you what, goose, you don't hold back, baby. And I knew that going into this, but it's a, it's a, it's an honest perspective you give. It's a perspective that is going to ring home with a lot of old school guys out there and some new school guys, you know, some aren't going to like it. Some are going to make them think a little bit. But I think that's what makes the world go round. You've got to have different perspectives and you're definitely not shy about sharing yours. This has been great. I appreciate you coming on and I don't think you let us, you let the fans out there down the Brett Boone Cup podcasts are going to definitely get an earful and a perspective. But what a great career Hall of Famer. For those of you out there listening to this, this Brett Boone podcast on the Odyssey app, I appreciate you tuning in. Make sure you subscribe, hit that like button and until next time, keep it here. Goose. Thank you very much. It's been great. Hey, Brad, I just like to say one thing. Thank you. The fans are what this game is all about. You got it. The respect of this game, that's all and I just pray that it comes back to somewhere in the center after all the bullshit and we'll just have to wait and see. They'd have to fire all these guys to get it back to square one and you know the difference between the nerds of yesteryear and today are the nerds, the general managers, yesteryear surrounded themselves with great baseball people, scouts and they learned the game through that. That has gone too. They don't even surround them. They don't want to learn the game. They don't want any knowledge around them. That's what's so weird about this game and I'm sorry I had to add that little thing. But the fans are what the game is all about and I have enjoyed the fans and I still get tons of mail and fan mail and I love the fans and I get such heartfelt letters and things like that from fans and it just doesn't get any better than that, Brad and I want to thank you guys for having me on. You got it. The great Goose Gossett. Till next time, keep it here. [BLANK_AUDIO]
