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Let's go on a trip, shall we? - Yeah. - All right, we are going to Ohio this week. - Oh no. - Going to, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. (laughing) - Oh, oh, oh, oh boy. Delta, Ohio is where we're going to here. It is west of Toledo. This is, we're going to the, we're usually in like the southeastern part of the state for some reason, but here instead, in the northwestern part of the state. - Yeah, yeah. - Up by Toledo, which is right up by Michigan up there. You're the border. It's about 40 minutes west of Toledo. It's about an hour and a half to Detroit from this area. And then three and a half hours to, or a little over three hours to Beach City, Ohio, which is our last episode, "Wifeswap Snap," which was awesome. That was the one about the "Wifeswap" people. Population of this town, 2,790 people. Median household income here, about $67,009. So right around the national average. Median home price though, super low here. This isn't an affordable place, $176,400. - Holy shit. - So you can work in Toledo 'cause it's only 40 minutes away. - You work in Detroit. - You live out here. Yeah, you can work in Detroit even. Yeah, you can commute there. So there's plenty of opportunity, and that's exactly what they tell you in the motto here. The community of opportunity. - You betcha. - Oh, I like how it rhymes. - Don King wrote this. - I've never heard that before. That's well done. - Don King wrote their motto. This is a community of opportunity. And they were like, somebody write that down. - Somebody never forget that. - He was promoting a fight when he came through there. It's good. A little bit of history of this town. The first settlement was made in the early, in like the 1830s. There's been a post office there since about 1837. The area around here was known as the Six Mile Woods. - Oh. - It's pretty, when you see it. It's a little tiny town, kind of, with nothing in between that and the next town. All the towns are, there's corn fields and shit. - It's what was left that we gave Winnie the Pooh and his friends. - Everything else was destroyed. Everything else was destroyed. That's their only habitat now. It's a six mile wood. The woods was an area of some six miles wide and 20 miles long. - They had giant, giant oak and walnut trees that were four feet in diameter in this area. - Wow. - Big fucking trees, it's pretty cool. All sorts of different names before it was Delta. It was Tadmore, then it was Tadpole. I don't know, I don't get that. Then it was Green Springs and then the last two are some of the greatest names that towns ever had. First of all, Slab Shanty, which sounds awful. Who the hell wants to live in Slab Shanty? And then maybe the greatest town name of all time and I don't know why they changed it because at least it would have been popular with some people, Fingerville. Different motto you'd have there, I assume. - Yeah, that's, I tried to take a lot of girls there in high school. - Yeah, I'm going to Fingerville. What are you doing tonight? I'm going to Fingerville, baby. - Yeah. - But then you'd grow up and try to go to pound towns. Just try to go to the smash streets. That's the first stop, yeah. That's the second stop. You got a ton of town first and then you go to Fingerville after that. So reviews in this town. Let's find out a few. Number five, number one, five stars. Great small town, very safe and friendly people. So I don't know if the people are friendly and safe or if the town is safe and the people are friendly. Good school system and an excellent place to raise children, affordable housing, a plus. We moved here 30 years ago and have never regretted it. - Okay. - Great, four stars. This is, the next two are real fun. Is there just one sentence which is always like, what are you trying to say here? - What's happening? - It sounds like code, four stars. There is a lot to do, but not everyone uses. That's it, uses what? - Uses the thing. - Drugs, I don't know what we're talking about. Three stars, it can be unpredictable sometimes. People, weather, our roads just moved overnight and you don't know, there was a road here yesterday. Now it's trees, I don't understand. - So unpredictable around here. - Very unpredictable around here. Like Willy Wonka's factory in this place or what? One star here, finally. Dell Tucky, they're calling it Dell Tucky. Like Kentucky, like Delta, but it's way away from Kentucky. - Yeah, all right. - Dell Tucky is a very dumpy, dirty, corrupt town in my observations. - Not anywhere close to Kentucky. - No, no, opposite side of the state. - What the fuck are they doing? - Northwest as opposed to Southeast. The worst town in our county featuring hundreds of freight trains, thousands of semi-trucks, traffic jams during shift changes and very expensive taxes and utilities. Do you like mobile homes? There are seven parks in our zip code and not one is decent. Seven in a zip code? Shit. - Kentucky's gotta clean their shit up, man. - It's a lot. - Place is nowhere near, like-- - Dell Tucky. - I don't know like if Albuquerque called themselves Alba Tucky, like this is so far away. - They tried to call themselves Alba Bama, but it didn't work, so they went with Alba Tucky. - Alba Tucky. - Alba Bama, people just thought they were stuttering. They're like, "God dammit, try to make fun of this place." - It's far away. - The school systems are as horrible. Poop loads of misdemeanor crime. - Poop loads. Poop loads. I strongly advise anyone to look for a better place to live. All right. - Okay, yeah. - Things to do here, there's one thing and it's awesome. The Delta Chicken Festival. Yeah. - How do you? - They said one of the earliest industries associated with our village was the export of eggs by Mr. Howard and Mr. Moore, shipping 60 to 80 barrels each week, which I don't think that's a good delivery system for an egg. Is it a barrel? - How much of that is taken up with tissue paper and cartons? - Yeah, it makes sure, yeah, wow. Averaging 80 dozen eggs per barrel. When the festival began in the 50s, Delta was home to one of the largest chicken hatcheries in the area, as well as many chicken finishing farms. That's where they teach them like how to act. You know what I mean? That's like chicken finishing school. Yeah, it matters at the table, where to pull, but put the right fork and that kind of shit. So they've celebrated all these chickens with this festival, including a three-on-three basketball tournament, which that's what I think of when I think of. - Does that make all the sense in the world? - Of five. - You must have used an egg. - A 5K chicken run, unless you have to hold eggs and pass some other people. Yeah, a three-on-three soccer tournament. I hope they have a smaller field for that. - None of this says anything about chickens. Cornhole tournament, I mean, okay. And then of course a parade. So you gotta have that. - Chicken Festival, we've mentioned chickens and that's it. - That's it. Delta Chicken Festival Cornhole Tournament, Delta Chicken Run 5K. It's just all put chicken in a little game. - We just call it chicken, that's it. - What do people like to do? Oh, they don't like to do shit that has to do with chickens? - They play basketball and play soccer. - All right, well, fuck it then. Fuck the whole chicken thing. We'll just call it chickens and then we'll just-- - We'll just call it the Delta Festival. - Well, but there will be chicken available to eat. - Okay, well, yeah, it's a chicken festival. Don't worry about it. That said, let's talk about a murder here. - Here we go. - Wow, let's talk about some real weird stuff and a real weird guy. - I do commend them for not involving local acts of music and comedy, though. - There is, there is music, it's just so local, they don't even mention who it is. - Don't tell them. - That's how local it is. - Fantastic. - Don't even mention bad names. It's gonna be real bad music playing in the background. - I know it is. - You know it is. So let's talk about some murder. Let's go back to July of 2016, okay? - Fairly recent. - Very recent, yeah, I would say so. Let's look at Sierra Jaugen. So Sierra Jaugen, Sierra is S-I-E-R-A-H, by the way. - Oh, with an H. - With an H, yeah. And Jaugen is J-O-U-G-H-I-N. She's 20 years old, she's born in 1996, February 11th. She grew up in Lyons, Ohio here, which is very nearby. It's all west of Toledo. There's Lyons, there's Delta, and then as you get closer, it's like Sylvania and stuff like that. So a lot of news reports will say she's from Sylvania, but it's actually not. It's west of there, smaller places here. She goes by C, everybody calls her C, like Sierra. - All right, starts with an S. - Yeah, C-E is how they spell it, let's see. She goes to the University of Toledo, currently, and will be going into her junior year in the fall. And she wants to get to study abroad sometime this year. So she's looking forward to that, trying to figure out a program that she can get into and work all of that out. Big into horses, another horse girl, and was a member of the Toledo University's Business Fraternity Alpha Kappa Psi also. So she's very personable and very social as well. On her Facebook page, she's just to give you a, you can tell somebody's personality kind of by what they curate. - Especially in 2016. - That's what I mean. So it's a lot of like cute puppies, recipes for no-bake chocolate peanut butter bars. - Yeah, lazy gal that loves snacks, I like that. - She's 20 and she likes to like, it's all like nice stuff like that. And also some helping her, telling her friends that are like encouraging them the ones that are trying to work out, stuff like that. Her profile photo was her and her mother, Sheila, hugging, that's their pro. So she's not like, you know, out there like, you know, linking this shit to her only fans, you know what I'm saying? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not a party and stuff, she's. - No. - She's, she's not bacon. She's spending time not baking with her family. That's nice. - Yeah, she's just a, she's a real nice girl. She has a boyfriend around her age. His name is Josh Kolasinski. Kolasinski with a K. And everybody calls her vivacious. The word vivacious comes up every time someone's describing her. It is, just bubbly and happy and energetic. Her boyfriend says she was the life of the party always. So everybody likes her. July 19th, 2016, she rides her bike over to her boyfriend's house. So she likes to ride her bike. And in these areas, it sees like corn fields and woolids and just country roads. She likes riding her bike. So she rides her bike to her boyfriend's house a little after four p.m. that day. And she rides her bike home from her boyfriend's house at about 645, they leave. And they go, yeah, they go down county road six. And here they are. And she lives on county road six, by the way. - Sure, sure. It's heading there. She is on her bicycle as purple. And she has a neon yellow tennis shoes and a brightly colored shirt and bright teal shoes and all that. So she's really getting into the summer colors here. - Yeah, well, she's wearing the right clothes to be bicycling. - Yeah. - She's wearing it. - You might as well wear a crossing guard. - Yeah, you can see her. It's daytime still low too. It's summer. - Still, you want to be seen. So she has a dish towel, a checkered dish towel that she's sitting on that's over the seat of the bicycle. So I don't know if it's hot or if it was had bird shit on it or what, but there you go. Now her boyfriend follows her on his motorcycle for part of the trip. He's taken off too. So he rides slow next to her for a while and then where he has to branch off, he branches off, says goodbye. He says, I remember exactly what I said. I kissed her. I told her I loved her and to text me when she got home. So I think based on this show, you can guess what happened here. You can guess that his phone wasn't exactly digging that night and it wasn't. Now around 7 20 p.m. So this is 20 minutes after he leaves with her, according to him, a motorist, a driver named Mary Stein is driving south on county road six. When she notices a bike lying beside the west side of the road in an open area before cornrows begin. OK, as she passed by, she saw a man bent over at the waist about two or three rows deep into the cornfield. She said he was a white guy wearing red shorts and possibly a white or off white shirt or a dirty white shirt, one of the three. So that's what she saw. Now her family around 8 30 or 9 p.m. Her boyfriend's texting her going, hey, I never got a text from me. What's up? And she never, she never replies. So he called up Sheila. He called up mom. Yeah, she sees mom around 9 30 and said, did she get home or what's going on? Is she like, what's happening right now? And her mom said, the bike's not here. I don't see the bike. I don't think she's here. So then the two of them get in the car. Sheila goes and picks him up and they go looking for her. And they didn't find her though. So they stopped at the fire department where Sheila saw a police officer sitting in a cop car. So Sheila talks to the officer and explains that she's looking for her daughter, and can you please help me basically? And so later on in that evening, the police start in their normal rounds. They're looking for a person also, looking for a bicycle, looking for whatever. Just put your spotlight to the side of the road for me as you could type of thing. So she didn't come home that night at all. So the next day, people are freaking out. I mean, it's-- Yeah, this isn't like her. She's not like her. She has places to go. And she's on a bicycle. It's not like she took a left and decided to go to Nevada. She's on a fucking bicycle. So that's the other thing is, where's the bicycle? If she did go somewhere else. She couldn't have biked too far off. So her aunt said we're struggling to stay hopeful at this point. Wouldn't that happen? Yikes. We just want her to come home safe and whoever has her to just leave her where she is and let us have her back. It's the worst nightmare I've ever experienced. I just want her to come home. So there-- I mean, it's 24 hours. And they're already talking about whoever took her needs to let her go. It's not even a matter of-- It's covering at this point. Yeah, it's not even a matter of like, we don't know where she could-- she might have went off with her friends. We have no idea. So the parents-- like I said, the police-- parents got the police involved and everything like that. And Megan Roberts, who is a special agent with the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation, gets a call around 1 AM asking her to assist in processing something. And that is because a sheriff's deputy found a purple bicycle in a cornfield about a half mile away from her home from Sierra's home. So they also-- they were searching for the bike. And it was a sheriff's office person with a canine that found the bike. And they saw a small section of cornfield on the east side of the road, where upon inspection, he noticed many disturbed corn stalks. And a strong smell of gasoline, a motorcycle tire track-- like, that looks like a motorcycle's been through here-- and a box of fuses. He also sees a pair of women's sunglasses lying on the road near the painted white fog line on the west side of County Road 6. I don't know what that is. And that might be just the side of the road, what they call the shoulder line. I have no idea. So he's like, oh, shit, he sees all of this. Obviously, there's a bicycle, fuses, gasoline, tire tracks. He said, it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. You just had this eerie feeling that you knew this was an abduction site. Golly. Yeah, and especially, it's not like an abduction site 30 years ago, this is very recently, within the last 24 hours, a very nice young girl probably was snatched here. It's terrifying. So they block off the road leading to the site. They don't want any of those getting out to the public either. And so they find all of that. Now, the bike was collected, and upon inspection, they observed reddish brown stains on the handlebars and seat. What do you suppose that is? Well, the testing says it's blood. And her mother and boyfriend both identify the bike as hers. They also found a checker dish towel with a blood stain on it, about 1,000 feet north of the county road abduction site. That's the towel she was sitting on. So the FBI is alerted of all of this, and they get involved, too. This is a missing, pretty college girl. This is all hands on deck fucking time here. This is very interesting that everybody is, so far, taking this dead ass serious job. Oh, for real, yeah. Nobody is like, oh, no, she could have went somewhere. None of that shit. So they launched the whole community's launching a massive search they go on, like just groups of people going through cornfields, possibly trampling on evidence. You know what I mean? So later that morning, agents from the Ohio Bureau of Investigation they assist in the search here. And they notice that two areas in the cornfield on the west side of county road six that were consistent with paths or point of entry and exit. So it was like the trails in there. In the west cornfield, they found broken corn stalks, blood stains on some corn leaves, so blood on the corn. Oh, no. That is some-- if that's not the most midwestern fucking sign of violence you've ever heard of, that's wild. That's a murder mystery book cover. Yeah, blood on the corn. A photo of bloody corn. It's fucking Sly's lyric in rhinestone. Is it? Oh, the other guy that was singing, blood on the corn and brains on the hay. Jesus God. That was the point, is this guy with air like, what the fuck is this guy singing? And it's the only intentionally funny part of rhinestone that's actually funny. Poor Dolly Parton. She had to go through so much. And also, pattern impressions in the loose dirt they find, including the blood stains. About 20 feet into the same cornfield, they found a green sock with blood stains on it. About 35 feet south of that, they found a pair of men's sunglasses and an orange handled screwdriver. Oh. OK, so they're fine. And all sorts of weird, just cast off in this here. But then they find a blood stained helmet. They don't find it. Actually, a farmer found it. About 7 p.m. The night she went missing and didn't realize it was anything till the next day when they saw this-- he heard of all this police activity in a missing girl. He went, that's where I found this fucking helmet. It initially found a helmet on the side of the road with blood on it, threw it in the back of his pickup truck, drove home, didn't think anything of it. Then the next day, here's there's a girl missing around the same spot, so he goes to the police and goes, I have this helmet you might be interested in here. It's an extra large. I was pretty interested in it, if it's-- It's a motorcycle helmet. Not a bike helmet, a motorcycle helmet, and it has blood stains on the outside of it and also on the inside lining of it as well. Oh. And so that's interesting. Now, the first thing the police think is as concerned as he's been, her boyfriend rides a motorcycle. Right. And was the last one to be seen with her, and is the last-- That's not good. No, so they're like, this is not great here. Josh, why don't you have a little sit-down with us here? Yeah, where's your helmet, Josh? So yeah, they believe someone riding a motorcycle was involved. They look at him as the suspect, obviously. And according to-- they got an FBI agent in from Cleveland to talk to him. He cooperated with authorities, and he drew a map for them of C's route showing where they departed and consented to searches of his residence. Motorcycle truck gave DNA samples, hair samples, fucking fingerprint, anything he could give, basically. So he's cooperating. Yeah. Now, the family has no suspicion of him whatsoever. C's family said that he takes good care of her. They never had any suspicion he was involved. And the investigator said, we weren't able to find anything that put us in the direction that Josh had any involvement. Because he has where he goes after that. It's a secure alibi. So it's like he would have had to do all this, disappear her in a very fucking short window of time. No kidding. And for no reason whatsoever is the other thing. Like, she probably came over to-- they probably had a nice time, you know what I mean? So over there, a couple hours, what are they doing? Well, he's going to kill her then. It's just weird. It didn't make any sense. So as far as the investigation goes, they put him aside here. Put Josh to the side. And they said it might have been a stranger, which is such a rare thing that a grown woman would be abducted by a stranger. I mean, it happens. We've done the show, but it's much more rare than the boyfriend doing it, especially with the motorcycle. Right away, within 24 hours, there's tons of people putting up reward money. An anonymous donor offered $100,000 reward for her safe return. All this shit, right? They're canvassing the area. And they said they had several stops. They wanted to make it because they wanted to go talk to residents in the area. These are spread apart properties, mind you. This isn't suburbs, like all properties lined up. So this is kind of farmland out there. They got room. They got room, so they do kind of background. They get criminal records of everybody in the area. And so anybody with a criminal record, especially any kind of violent crime in their past-- They're about to talk to some police. They're going to talk to somebody now, yeah. The first-- well, one of the first people they talk to is James Dean Worley. Yeah. And he's born in 1959. So his parents were just douchebags. Big riddle about a costume. Yup, named him. He died in accident before his time. Like naming your kid Kurt Cobain-Wissman. You know what I mean? Somebody's done it. Oh, my fancy. Absolutely have. There's probably 30 of those kids in this country. Guarantee you. There's way more than that. Yeah. Probably. All of them. How many Janice Joplin McCartney's are there, or whatever? That's a bad example because that's awesome. Janice Joplin Johnson? Yeah. There's a lot probably from then. So they go over to his house. And yeah, they have a chit chat with him. It's at 10627 County Road 6. This is a dress. Hey, everybody. 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They had three children, Cynthia, James, and Mark. Mark being the youngest, James, the middle child. He's born in 1959 in Washington. And he's about two years older than his younger brother. They moved to Waukegan, Illinois, then moved to Ohio, where they ultimately end up in this county here. According to him, he's lived at the same property now that he's that they're questioning him on. From the third grade, until here he are standing in front of me. I've lived on the same property. And he's in his 50s. So and he's lived here since he was eight. He ain't leaving. Never know. He's not leaving, never left, and never at all. And at this point, his mom is sick as well. And he's kind of his mom's caretaker. His brother also lives on the property, but in a separate trailer, kind of off in his own area of the property. So worldly, a little on his background. His father's a big drunk and would come home like late every night shitfaced and beat the hell out of the mother, basically. Sure. Yeah, at one point, he said he remembered his mother. They got in a fight and his mother tried to pick up the phone to call the cops on him. And he yanked the cord out of the wall and like chased her into the backyard and shit, so. That's a felony. That's yeah, I don't think it was a 1950 fucking thing. Yeah, they probably though. That's probably just keeping it in house then. The sister remembered in that same episode that her father had a butcher knife in his hand while he chased his mother. And that the sister attempted to help her mother escape through a bedroom window. Unbelievable. When he was about five years old, James, the mother was granted a divorce from the father based on gross, neglect of duty and extreme cruelty. Yeah. They stayed with the mother. They didn't see the father for a long time, but they said they eventually they began to see him about every six months for like seven hours at a clip. That's a good dad. It's about 14 hours a year. He's doing here. Not good. He said those visits went on for a number of years. Well, yeah, why not? Who can't commit to seven hours twice a year? It's the easiest fathering I've ever heard. That's fucking simple. So in 1969, when he's about 10, Worldie's mother marries another guy named Jack Shepherd. And he liked his stepfather. And he wouldn't have never talked anything bad about him. Said he was a good guy and all that kind of thing. I guess Shepherd had been his new stepfather was a drill sergeant during World War II. Wow. So he better respect that guy or else. He's going to be doing a lot of pushups. It's going to be a lot of toilet scrubbing with a toothbrush going to be difficult. So around 16 or 17, he and his brother move in with their biological father. And they said they had a strict upbringing with their stepfather. And they were searching for some freedom. So James Sr. didn't beat the hell out of the kids, but he's a definite drinker, as we've talked about here. One time, when the sister was about 16 years old, the apparently-- and this is weird, because the stepfather who James has never had anything bad to say about, he's about 16 years old, or she's about 16, the stepfather began trying to have sex, trying to molest the fucking stepdaughter. James Sr. Yeah, it wasn't bad to say about this. No, and the sister said he grabbed me and threw me down and tried to rape me. On two different occasions this happened while he was raping her, James walked in and saw it and went left, and they've never discussed it or anything. And this is a guy-- So he's been seen twice doing it? Yes. Yes. So maybe he wanted to move in instead of more freedom. He wanted to move in with his father, so he wouldn't walk in on rape scenarios anymore. So he wouldn't have guilt? Yeah. How about protect your sister, too? I mean, I don't know, try. That's shit. So he's always good to his mother. Everybody said he speaks highly of his mother, very strong emotional connection with his mother. She never excessively disciplined him and was, according to James, a genuinely awesome person. She's rad, brah. So yeah, he said that with his dad, he called his dad a pretty good guy. He said that just because his dad attacked his mom with a butcher knife once, quote, "One bad day shouldn't define someone." OK. The bad people say shit like that, right? Usually. He had a hard time in school. We're talking in the '60s. He was prescribed ritalin. He's like one of the first ritalin kids, because he was so out of control. Back then, you know, you always hear the cliche now is back in the day the kids were fine and they could be a little hyperactive. Not only put him on medication, but this is the beginning of it, all the way back then. So he was very social, likes people, likes to play pranks. He fails the third grade because he's inattentive, which-- Who has him? He's got 80 days. Yeah. He's got a '97 IQ, which is right in the middle there. It's a right about average here. Went to Owens Community College in Toledo, but then he got out of it lacking sufficient credits for a degree. He didn't do very well. Couldn't handle it. No, a lot of short jobs. He never holds jobs for long periods of time and no career. And he's in his 50s here. And he never had a career in his 50s? Bunch of short jobs, bunch of failed business attempts just tried to start his own, none were successful. From what everybody said, everybody said he shows motivation, but there's a lot of failure there. That's what multiple people said. A lot of times of unemployment. And then eventually now, he just cares for his mother full time and doesn't even try to find work. So Brian lives off her social security or whatever. So the police are talking to this guy. They said he's very friendly. At first, he invited him into the living room. And this is like an FBI agent, a state bureau of investigation guy, local police, all crew is there. They talked to him for about 90 minutes. And they asked him, what did you do that night? And he said, oh, it was fine. He said about 5.45 or 6 p.m. On July 19, he took off out of his property on a motorcycle. But the motorcycle stalled when he was driving on County Road U. He said he got it running again, but it stalled again when he was driving on County Road 6. He said he stopped near a cornfield that abutted a wheat field where he saw a blue bike and a light gray and a light gray bike laying on the ground. He said he pulled his motorcycle into the cornfield and out of the view of the road because he planned on rod stealing one of the bikes and riding at home because he couldn't get his bike running. But he changed his mind and said he went back to back and forth in his head between getting his motorcycle running trying to fix it or just and then riding at home or just walking it and pushing it home, which is a long heavy walk. He said he didn't see anyone at all on his trip and he got home around 10 p.m. So what he said is I went out on my motorcycle and then I have no alibi for about three hours and the whole window and this girl was taken. And then I was home and I was just real occupied with a motorcycle that nobody ever saw 'cause I hid with it. 'Cause I hid it. I didn't want anyone to see it on the side of a country road. Then he told the investigators he lost some belongings when the motorcycle broke down. Oh no. They're like, oh yeah, which ones? And they said a helmet, some fuses, a screwdriver with an orange handle and my sunglasses. So when he gets off his motorcycle, he, everything on his person explodes off of him in five different directions, apparently. Sunglasses shoot off, fuses fly out. So he said I didn't do anything several times during the interview and then asked. - When you say fuses, you're talking about like electrical fuses. - Yeah, I think so. I don't know if it's just fuses. So it's gotta be, yeah. - Why would he have fucking explosive fuses? - Yeah, no, nothing like that, nothing like that. So he also, multiple times, not only said I didn't do anything with this girl, he also asked multiple times whether they had any evidence against him like fingerprints or anything. I didn't do anything. What do you have evidence that I did anything? - Do you have my semen or blood anyway? - Anywhere. The Cleveland FBI agent said Mr. Worley makes a statement about he was writing a motorcycle and his bike is having issues. It sputters out, he goes into a cornfield and he mentions that he lost his helmet, his fuses, his screwdriver and sunglasses. The one guy, that same guy said I kind of had to stop my jaw from falling. None of that had been released to the media yet. - Oh shit. - So this is all the shit they found and he's saying all that stuff's mine and there's blood stains all over everything. So he goes on to say it was a huge surprise for somebody to place themselves at the initial scene without really any provocation. He said that of course set off our alarm bells like crazy. And if that didn't set off alarm bells, then they look into his past and go, holy shit, listen to this, July 4th, 1990, 26 year old Robin Gardner was riding her bicycle. July 4th of July. On the 4th of fucking July, riding her bike in a rural area of this county as she was nearing her house, she got hit in the bike tire from behind by a red flatbed pickup truck. So it knocked her off the bike onto the side of the road. The driver, who we find out is James Worley, asked her if she was okay, then bashed her in the back of the head with a hammer and put her in a chokehold. - Oh my God. - Yeah, I would say he held a screwdriver to her throat. - This guy. - And threatened to kill her if she didn't get in the truck. He said, do what I say or I'll kill you, I'm serious, I'll kill you. So he gets her in the truck and he's holding the screwdriver to her and he tries to handcuff her hands behind her back, which would be fucking terrifying if all of this isn't terrifying. He got it on her one wrist and somehow she broke away and dropped the door open and got out and just fucking bolted down the highway or down the county road with her, with a handcuff hanging from her wrist. Luckily, there's a motorcycle coming down the road here. She waves, waves, waves and literally just jumps on the back of the guy's motorcycle. Doesn't even fucking talk to him. Just jumps on and goes, get the fuck outta here now. Go. - Everybody's got a goddamn-- - Everybody. And this guy's like, sweet. Check on my bike. He's like, they're fine. They were right. - Dad said they'd be jumping all over. - Fucking man, dealer was on the money. So by the way, they had to like cut the handcuffs off or none of their handcuff keys at the police department would fit it. They couldn't get it off of her. - And they didn't know who did it so they couldn't get the key. - Oh no, they knew who they caught him eventually. - Yeah, 'cause she knew the truck and knew everything and he lives in the area so she jumped out of the truck and fucking took off. She said, I was screaming in the cornfield at the top of my lungs a blood curdling scream. A scream I didn't know I had in me. And yeah, so she got out. She suffered a concussion and a fractured skull from being bashed in the head with a fucking hammer and he was convicted of abduction at this point. He ran a lawn mowing business at the time. He denied that he tried to harm her at all even though he almost ran her over and then hit her with a hammer. - And she has a fucking skull fracture. - He said that they got in an accident, his flatbed pickup truck and her bicycle and that she was trying to leave the scene of the accident so he was trying to restrain her. This is all, he was going by the book here. That's all of this. - Who's got cops? - Yeah, so he said that's what he did. He said that she caused the crash when she cut in front of him on her bicycle. And to the court, he said my family and myself are good, decent and very honest people. He writes in a letter. He sentenced to you, sir. May fuck off four to 10 years in prison. - Whoa. - Yeah. - They didn't buy his fucking story. - No, not at all. They were like, no, girl got bashed in the head of the fucking hammer and got, she had a handcuff on her hand. Why would you restrain her that way? That's insane. - Who would have handcuffs to restrain somebody that just got in an accident with them? - I just hit this young woman in the head with a hammer and put her in cuffs 'cause she was trying to leave the scene of a bicycle accident. Oh, that seems proportional, right? - Yeah. - So the Department of Rehabilitation and Corrections reports indicated that he had adjusted well to prison, completed various programs, and that he treated staff and fellow inmates well. He is released-- - You can never do anything like that ever again. - He's released in December, 1993. While in prison, he makes some odd statements here. They're adding to some suspicion here, a court-mandated therapist after he gets out of prison. He has to see a therapist for a while. He said to this therapist that he, quote, "learned from each abduction he had done "and the next one he was going to bury." He learned don't leave them alive 'cause you'll get caught. - He said that in prison. - Yep. He said, of course, I think, and the therapist said, of course, I think he's done it before, a gardener later, so of course, I think he's done it before and after me. I think he's a fucking monster. 1996, he's questioned by police over the disappearance of Claudia Tinsley after her mother reported she last saw her daughter leaving in Worley's car. - Oh my God. - They said that Worley told police he drove around for 45 minutes with the kid and then dropped the kid. I wasn't a kid, whatever, a grown up, but his mother dropped this woman off. He denied any role in it and they never found evidence so he's never charged with a crime. He killed that girl, he fucking killed her. - They don't know where she is. - They never found her. - Never found her. - No, he killed her. Then in 2000, he is sent back to prison for illegal manufacture or cultivation of marijuana and having weapons while not being able to have weapons, basically. So he is released in 2002 from prison. He worked in prison, he worked as a career technical school aid tutor, a porter and a food services worker. So this is what we have. So they talked to him that night, he sounds real guilty. They leave, okay? He contacts the police after they leave and said, why won't my fucking helmet back, by the way? - Okay. - He said, yeah, you probably found my helmet, I want it back. And there's like, well, there's blood on it. So they're like, we're not going to give you this back. So then one of the special agents, oh, quote, overheard a conversation regarding a guy wanting his helmet back. After that, they said, let's go back to this asshole's fucking house, fuck this guy. So they walk onto his property for the next 14 hours. They're all over this place. - Surging it. - Rolly was told that a black helmet had been found and he immediately said, yeah, that's mine, I want it back. And they went, okay, well, it looks like the helmet has blood on it and he said, that's impossible. You go, well, it does. Later on during the interview, he said, he, quote, he did not understand, quote, this deal with his helmet that his helmet has some lady's blood on it. - Oh, nobody said this lady. - They just said blood. - There's blood on it. - Yeah. - He said, yeah, cut my hand open and I was adjusting it or something. - Anything, yeah. - So they take a look around, they walk around his property, consists of a house, two barns, a machine shop, and a trailer. They first go into the barn, which multiple news organizations dub the barn of horrors. Yeah, they walk into there and they said that his reaction, James's reaction to them being in there was a little unsettling or a little alarming. When an investigator approached a green crate in the barn and lifted its lid, Rolly got very upset with him, told him to close that and then made them get out very quickly after that. But before leaving the barn, they were able to see a green crate contain many clear plastic bags filled with women's lingerie. He keeps it in his barn in a crate in plastic bags and like gallons at block bags. - That's my tug box. Get out of there. - Let's get out of my tug box. It's full of jizz and other things. They said a lot of anxiety over in body language, weirdness over them being in there. When he told the investigators, they said, why you got all that lingerie on the way out? - Yeah, what's up with that? And he said, it's for me to give to the women I date. He hates a bison bulk. For when he give dates women, he just hands it out. - When it's on sale, I'd just like to buy it. - I like to buy grandma. Parents do that for like their grandkids. They see like clothes they might be able to fit into in the fall. They're like, yeah, a little Johnny would look cute in that. He like does that with lingerie, just keeps it. - Sometimes they get a bigger one, just in case it's a bigger one now. - They never know. I'm not discriminating. - We're a little lady. It's cute, I don't know. - Rolly told the investigators that the only DNA they'd find, I'm sorry, the north barn floor had a sand floor that had been raked recently. - Oh. - And he said that he had just cleaned it up in preparation to raise rabbits. They also find an inflated, fully inflated air mattress behind stacked straw bales. - Why is that in there? - Well, he said, the only DNA you're gonna find on there is my mother's, so don't worry about it. Okay. So then they find security video footage from Evergreen High School, located on County Road 6 between Worley's property and the site where she was kidnapped, showed a motorcycle traveling north on County Road 6 on July 19th. So they're like, that's you, dipshit, that's your black helmet, that's your fucking bike and that's you doing that. He said, no, I returned home on my motorcycle about 10 p.m. And I hadn't driven north on County Road 6 and then I didn't leave my property again. And they were like, then what is this? - Who's that? - Are you a pod person? Is there another one of you somewhere or do you have an identical twin with this identical helmet? Then eventually he admitted that he had not told the truth because listen, okay, I've been lying to you guys and they said, why? And he said that he felt the quote, ammo was being stacked against him. - The ammo. - Yeah. So they go, we're getting a search warrant. We're gonna go over this thing with a fine tooth comb. So they do. They notice recent tire impressions in the grass leading directly to the north barn on his property. Inside the barn, they note that a metal rake and a scoop shovel were leaning against the north barn of the wall. They had a, there's a room hidden that back there where like behind the tall hay bales, he's got like another little setup. That's where the air mattress is. And after removing the stack straw bales inside the barn, they found a roll of black duct tape, a piece of white rope and a trash bag containing adult diapers. - Why does he have so much weird shit? - He's got the weirdest stuff in the world. They also discovered a carpet lined chest freezer. Ever seen a chest freezer with fucking carpet in it? Dude, ever in your life? Ever heard of that? - No. - Never. - Who did you put carpet in it? - That had been buried into the floor. You opened up the thing from the floor. It was like a-- - And it goes, it's like an ice chest that sunken. - In the, yes, a sunken ice chest. And it's in there and the floor of the freezer was wet and contained some straw. They'll find blood in there also. Blood all over that carpet. They also found a motorcycle visor and would appear to be a drop of blood on the south wall of the barn, approximately 33 inches above the floor. Inside the green crate, they found more adult diapers, a bag containing bondage clothing and restraints, - Oh boy. - A roll of white clothesline, latex gloves, clear plastic bag containing women's lingerie and clothing, a piece of duct tape with straw, hair and other debris on it. - Yeah. - A brown rope, white socks, a bag for storing the air mattress and a pink sex toy. - A pink dildo. - A dildo, yeah. - The pink underwear that they found had reddish brown stain on it that tested positive for blood. - Blood, yeah, that's definitely blood. - Inside the machine shop, they found his motorcycle, which had pollen and weed stuck to it. More adult diapers. - What is it? - It's a deal. - And he doesn't wear adult diapers, by the way, he doesn't have like, you know, an issue or anything. 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It had not worked. - I think either of those anymore. - I think either, they're both completely fucking discontinued. They had, it had not rained recently, but the red pickup was wet and had standing water in its bed. - Okay. - They recovered the following items from the red pickup, a can of pepper spray in the driver's side door pocket, a black ski mask, what is he doing? - Work gloves, an ear warmer, which is like a headband type thing that's bigger, a roll of duct tape, and seven 24 inch zip ties in the rear pocket of the passenger seat, three of which had already been connected. From the green pickup truck, the Dakota, they collected white rope bundled with black electrical tape and zip ties under the driver's seat and under the format of the driver's seat, so they had it all over the place. - He's got the most suspicious life on the planet. - Remember when Ted Bundy said he just wanted a ranch to like murder and then look over his cattle? This is like what he dreamed of. - That's it, yeah. - Also, they got, they compared tire impressions from the tires on his red and green pickup trucks with the cast tire impressions from the county road six crime scene and they said that they were consistent with the make and model of two tires on his pickup truck. His explanation for all this weird shit, dude. - Tell me. - What the fuck he said? Well, all these items are for my few, I'm planning a pornography business and they're all props and stuff for that. - Dude, 2016's too late, it's over. It's already crashing. - It's done, but the evidence found on the property was enough to arrest him for the abduction. They said you have so much abduction shit and there's blood stains, we could at least get you off the street for right now. So he's arrested and charged with abduction. When they get him in there, they take a shirt off and photograph him and see many scratches and bruises on his arm, shoulders and neck and a cut on his finger as well. - Uh oh. - His key chain contained a unique key that looked like a key to the handcuffs that have been found attached later on. We'll talk about here. Now the FBI guy said, "Worley fits the profile "of a serial offender and could potentially have "additional unknown victims who he could have kept "at the above described location." I would say, "The next day, July 22nd, "a volunteer guy who's searching named Scott Hudick "is driving south on County Road 7 "when he notices an area of disturbance "in a corn field on the east side of the road. "He noticed 18-inch-wide drag marks in the dirt." That's not good. - No. - "He followed the drag marks for about 25 yards "when he noticed that the dirt looked "as if someone took a shovel, dug a hole and reburried it." He said that this wasn't, there was nothing there, but he kept looking around and saw a yellowish latex glove lying on the ground in between the road and the corn field. So they found the glove, by the way, as a contained a mixture of DNA profiles with sea and James Worley. - Why? - He doesn't know that just 'cause it doesn't have fingerprints doesn't mean he can't get caught with a glove? Are you idiot? - Fucking later that day on County Road 7, the west side of the road, they locate a site and noticing a peculiar section of corn where maybe three to four feet was missing out of the corn field, just a no corn there. So they began pulling it up and as they began digging, they started smelling decomposing remains. - Oh, no. - They found C's body, covered with dirt, her wrists handcuffed behind her back, her ankles bound together with duct tape and her feet bound to her hands with rope. - Oh, hog-tied f*cking. - Shit-y way. - Horrible, she was lying on her stomach with her head turned to the side. A rubber cone-shaped dog toy is secured with a shoelace tied in the back of her head and used as a gag in her mouth. - Oh, wow. - And there's straw in her hair as well 'cause they kept finding straws everywhere. She's dressed in a lace-colored brazier, handcuffs, a rope, and an adult diaper. - What? - And an adult diaper. - What the f*ck is out about? - And the key to the handcuffs are on his f*cking keyboard, by the way. - Ouch. - That's not good, that's not good. So this is about two miles from his house here. It's, this is horrifying, obviously. This is awful. The cause of death is asphyxiation from the plastic gag shoved in her mouth. - Really? - Autopsy revealed a head wound caused significant bleeding and could have been caused by being struck with a motorcycle helmet. They said she had a head wound high on the right side of her forehead, which caused significant bleeding, hairline fracture to her skull and the left occipital bone. And there were several contusions on her outer left leg. Her forehead wound in the skull fracture could have been caused by being struck with the motorcycle helmet and, or she could have fallen off it in the roadway. They found the dog toy in her mouth that had broken one of her teeth. So he really, this was not-- - He was pushed it in there. - She was fighting. Yeah, they said that the oral, her mouth and the dog toy were the same size, basically. - Oh Christ. - So that is f*cking horrible. And they said that she wasn't able to breathe and that's what caused her death. - Oh no. - So he's gonna be hit with now aggravated murder, kidnapping, a felonious assault, 19 felony charges in all. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - On his computer, this has to be a f*cking trove of weird. They revealed that he visited xvideos.com, which is a porn site a lot. In 2015 and 16, he searched for videos using keywords such as hog tied teen, bound, beaten down teens, forced teens and stranded and forced, and rough pickups. - If those exist, drive your car off a f*cking cliff. - Good, yeah, that's not, no, weird. - We don't need you, you f*cking weirdo, Jesus. - In one of the videos that he watched, the female participant was strangled with a tennis net. That's creative. Also he accessed a web site called aliexpress.com and searched for camisole tanks, G string thongs, wholesale woman's bralette tops, underwear, women's lace strapless, strap backless rack chest sleepwear, cropped tank tops. - I wouldn't even know what those are. - His vocabulary for lingerie is mad impressive. - It's f*cking, yeah, he should just work for Victoria Secret and stop doing this sh*t. Also they checked the name, there was a checking account in the name of his mother, which listed him as having power of attorney regarding his mother. This was used to purchase items from Aliexpress also in June 2015 in March 2016 and from wicked temptations in May 2015. DNA testing here, now fingernail clippings from C's left hand, they say that she was a major contributor but that he was excluded as a major contributor from that. But there's all sorts of sh*t here. The blood stain on his helmet yields a DNA profile consistent with C with an expected frequency on this one of one in a trillion, it's a full profile. - Certainly hers, yeah. - It's her f*cking sh*t here. The helmet's unstained interior reveals a mixture of DNA profiles, her being one of them with an expected frequency of one in a trillion. There is seven billion people in the world, by the way. Whirly was included as a minor contributor with an expected frequency of one in 30 million. I'm good with that. Blood stains from the checkered dish towel recovered at the abduction site consistent with her. DNA testing of the interior thumb tip of the latex glove that was recovered, where she was buried, have a mix of DNA profiles of Whirly and C. They find her DNA in the barn. Those are her underwear with her blood all over them in his f*cking thing that he took as well. The air mattress contained a mixture of DNA profiles with C being one of the major contributors there, one in a trillion on that one, by the way. A duct tape also found in the crate contained mixture of profiles, including C's and his. - What the f*ck did he do? - Yup, and then also his phone data has him in the abduction, around the abduction site, between 742 and 745, he made a call there at 743. He made a call while he was doing this, while he was disposing of her f*cking body or kidnapping. - What the sh*t? - That is f*cking insanity. Also, they did not collect, there was human feces and a shovel found in the cornfield on County 7 near Rhodes J and K, where her body was found. They didn't test that, but it wasn't, they said that it, they think he took a sh*t out there all he was doing was. - What a weirdo. - So they think, yeah, he bashed her in the head with a f*cking helmet, knocked her off, dragged her in, and it was f*cking, whatever, and then came back on his motorcycle. - Maybe he played it there so long he had to take a sh*t. - Maybe, that's what I mean. - Maybe for someone. - That's when he was buried, it was when he was burying her, which is a different spot. So he's on his motorcycle, bashed her in the head, they think maybe he left her in the cornfield, went and got his truck, picked her up there, 'cause that's why the truck was hosed down, otherwise there's no reason. No evidence of sexual assault, which I think the weirdest f*cking thing in this whole case. - What the sh*t? - He just put her in adult diapers and probably jerked off to it, 'cause that's what he's into. - Wow. - Yeah, so this is f*cking crazy. Robin Gardner, the original person that he kidnapped, said that yeah, my whole life has been ruined, she had to move to an urban area because she can't be around the woods or the cornfields. Said I can't walk in the woods alone, I can't hike, can't bird watch anything. She said I'm very afraid if people aren't around to help me if I'm in need. So she has the opposite rather than hiding, she needs to be around more people. She said it's like this guy strikes when the corn is high, my heart hurts. That's exactly what it is, 'cause you can't see what he's doing in there. - Yeah, he loves the summer time. - That's f*cking horrible. Sheila said, that's mom from sea, if her sea said we live in a very quiet, supportive community, I've got younger kids and wouldn't even bat an eye letting them ride down to my parents' house, and now I won't let them outside. He pleads not guilty to everything here. - How can? - That's what I mean, it's a ball. - He wants to go to trial, wow. - His defense is that the lack of his DNA on some evidence meant there was reasonable doubt. - All right, throw that up in the air and see what sticks, Jesus. - They get Robin Gardner into testify, 'cause this is basically the victim describing exactly what went on with the other victim, and it's gotta be horrifying. - He used the same f*cking MO in instruments. It's insane, he has friends, which I'm surprised at, by the way, one's a guy named Mark Fable, Fable, Fable. He's a high school friend of his that he still hangs out with in his late fifties, and he said that they'd remained in touch. He said that in 2011 or 12, he knew that James needed a new helmet, so he picked one up for him in an automotive swap meet, and he confirmed the helmet recovered from the abduction site is probably the one he gave him. Another guy, Jeffrey Whitaker, another high school friend, said that from 2010 to '16, he saw Whirly sometimes every week or a couple times a month. They rode motorcycles together, and he said that he was aware that his bike had troubles in 2016, and he used to keep f*cking fuses with him. He said the motorcycle occasionally stalled at corners, and it never left them stranded, though. It wasn't like he's saying that, like James said. He also said that they watch pornography together. - Yeah, that's what you can do with your best pal. - What 55-year-old men watch porn together? That's f*cking weird. You're not 13. When you're 13, it's like you're discovering something to go, whoa, look at that, holy sh*t. - Yeah, you're not watching it to tug. You're watching it to blow your friend's f*cking mind, 'cause he's probably never seen it. - And figure out some sh*t. - Oh, that's how that works. Okay, I didn't know how to think about it. - But if you've both seen it before already, never watch it together. - No, no. - That's weird. - F*cking weird, man. Prosecution closing, not clothing. I just looked at the word clothing. Instead, from the minute, this is the prosecutor, from the moment he took her on County Road 6, he was going to have to kill her if he was going to get away with it. He could not let her go and avoid punishment, but there's more. You've heard Major Smith Meyer talk about some of the videos he watched. There's a movie called "Death of a Tennis Star", where the female character is choked on a tennis net, choked out on a tennis net. Whirly was into that kind of pornography, and he wanted to watch C die. He wanted to watch her die. That's why he didn't use the ball gag that's specifically designed for bondage activity. That's why he used a dog toy, a dog toy tied in place. And you heard the doctor say it took up to 10 minutes for her to die. And she'd be in invisible signs, a sign of distress. And he liked to watch that, 'cause that's what got him excited. - Wow. - He said so. She was killed by the insertion of that yellow dog chew toy because she still cannot breathe. The tying of the dog chew in place shows her death is purposeful. Her death was purposely caused. Now, they dismissed the aggravated robbery charges. Charges counts 13 and 14 of 19 of them, which doesn't matter. The verdict comes in. He is found guilty of everything up to and including being a fucking weirdo. Sorry, we're labeling you. It's sentencing, he tries to say that he has a good history, character and background. You've been convicted of abducting women. What the fuck are you talking about? - I'm lost, man. - Also says he's had some concussions and he smokes weed a lot. So yeah, that makes sense. - That's so much. - This all makes sense. Yeah, that all ties together, right? Holy shit, that's what he said. And the death penalty's on the table here. - Sure. - His psychiatrist said I've got a defendant here that won't open up to me when it really counts and had never really seen a therapist or opened up. And living in, I guess, this warped world taking care of his mother who's the only female in his life where he was quite detached. And I think looking at pornography with a friend of his, which is maybe what 17-year-olds or 14-year-olds do, but not maybe 55-year-olds. - Yeah, that's fucking nuts. - Yeah, they said that he retreats in his own world due to fear of rejection. That's what the one guy said, psychiatrist. The judge says, "You sir, may fuck off death penalty for you." - Whoa. - Scumbag, fucking weirdo, get out of here. - Oh, yeah. - On top of that, 25 years and 11 months as well, just in case. - It's the sitting around watching her die and putting up-- - It's disturbing. - The things that he, oh, the fucking diaper, all that stuff is weird too. - Fucking horrible. He appeals to the state Supreme Court based on jurors, some jury issues that he thought they had and that they shouldn't have let Robin Gardner testify. 'Cause that's a fat past crime. But you can allow past crimes if the MO is exactly the same, which it is. - It's exactly the same. - Bash a girl on the head, drag her away, fucking killer. So it's upheld. He can go fuck himself. He's appealing it to the Supreme Court right now. And if all goes smoothly, the execution date is for 2025. - Oh. - So very quickly. - It's coming up. - The family, her C's family has established a scholarship fund in her name to benefit one graduate of Evergreen High School who are all in the moderate each year. Also a nonprofit organization called Justice for Sierra, which is dedicated to making the community safer from repeat offenders, their advocacy resulted in the passage of Sierra's Law, which is an Ohio statute that created a searchable violent crime database to make it easier to find these people. - Nice. - Yeah. - So which is very cool. And Sierra's Law passed in 2018 and it's Senate Bill 231 in Ohio. And they said that the man who murdered Sierra was a repeat violent offender who lived just miles from her home. But Sierra's family never knew a predator, lived so close, said she was robbed for filling her dreams on Earth because of preventable violence and a system that failed to keep her safe. That is Ohio, everybody. - Yeah. - Well, he should have been a sex offender too, right? - I would fucking say, well, he didn't rape a girl. He just tried to abduct her. But it's still a violent offense, so. - That's even worse, right? I don't know. - That's, yeah, he was trying, he was going for blood. He didn't try to charm her, he bashed her with a fucking hammer in the first girl. Like this is his MO, and how many more? How many more? How many more? - It's gotta be. It's gotta be, please. - You don't have that whole setup with zip ties and every vehicle you have and all that shit. Dude, this is a thing he does. - Type anywhere to watch 'em die. 'Cause you know they're gonna shit, that's so fucked up. - That's disgusting. Well, if you liked that show and he didn't wanna see it 'cause it would kill his boner maybe, I don't know. - Right, he doesn't wanna have to fix it. - Fuck man, if you like the show, please get on whatever app you're on 'em. Give us five stars, it helps to show immensely. We can't tell you how much that helps and all that, tell your friends, follow on social media @smalltownmurger on Instagram @smalltownpod on Facebook @murdersmall on Twitter. Follow us also, listen to crime and sports. 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