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At the top of this hour, Biden said he's now considering dropping out if a medical emergency arises. - Yeah, that's usually politicians just wait and say, I'm leaving for health reasons or whatever. They don't, they don't telegraph it. Say, hey, well, if something did come up, I guess I'd drop out. - Yeah. Like, I don't know, 10 visits to the White House from a Parkinson's doctor, the best one in the world. Is that one of them or? - It could be, yeah. Maybe, but maybe they were coming to the West Wing of the White House too, because of the janitor. - Ah, could be, yeah. - You never know. - You sure don't. - I mean, they don't have kids there, so there's only two people, it's either Hemajill. (laughing) - Not sure, we'll find out. We're joined by Tyler Gray today, former star of SEAL Team on CBS. It's over, Tyler, isn't it? - Done, well, over for me, it hasn't aired yet. So, over for me filming, but it starts airing August 11th. So, the last season starts airing there on a Paramount+ so. - I'd say, yeah, I'd say congratulations, but it's kind of bittersweet, I would imagine. Now that it's over, doesn't it feel weird not to be on it every single day? - Yeah, it does, it's weird not going back, but honestly, after seven seasons, eight freaking years, it was a good run, and I'm very much looking forward to kind of looking at the next thing and looking at new projects and things like that. It was, I think we were at the point where, it was a long run, and I think it was a good time to leave on a, before, a show goes too long, there's a million shows that we could mention that at a certain point, it's like Groundhog Day. So, I think it was a good time. We still had story and we still had a good place to go with the character, and I think people will be happy with how it is. - I hope so, is it one of those things where you don't get the script until the last minute? How does that work on a show that goes five or six seasons like this? - Well, so for this season, I was in the writer's room, actually, so I knew what was happening from over a year ago at this point, because of the strike. So, I knew it where it was ending. - But your fellow actors, one would imagine that they didn't get it or know about it, so that way there was no secret spoiled online. - Yeah, they got it pretty late. I was surprised how late they got it, but I get it. But yeah, they got it pretty late. And look, the sad part about this, I'll say this about the season is that the strike really messed things up. So, we had written the entire season thinking that we had another season. And we probably did, and then we wrote it, and then the strike happened. And then when the strike was over, they're like, "Hey, we're not doing an eighth season." So we're like, "Oh, cool, can we go back and change things?" Because we didn't know, we didn't write it to end it, and cost reasons and things like that, business decisions, they're like, "No, we don't, for whatever reason." So, unfortunately, we had to wrap up the story kind of quickly, rather than having a whole season that we wanted to do to wrap it up. So, it is what it, but you know how it is, that's a business thing, and the business can get in the way of the creative. So, we did the best we could, and I hope people are happy with it. I mean, look, I think the ending is authentic to the world. I'll say that. - Okay, because I've always contended for years that a series should end based on what the fans want, not necessarily what the creator wants, because if you don't have the fans, you don't have the audience, you don't last this many seasons with it, I'm always in favor of reading the message boards and doing what the fans want. And these instances, is that what you guys tried to do? - Well, you didn't have the message boards back in the day, too, so we're looking at a unique period in the entertainment industry history, where you can actually do this stuff, and think about it from a financial perspective. Think about how much money the office, and 30 Rock, and Parks and Rec, and Seinfeld have made decades, in some cases, for Seinfeld, after the show's not even on anymore, leasing the show out to different channels, because fans still love the show. They're happy with how it went. I don't know that if Game of Thrones had been a network television show, if it would be getting leased out to other channels for rewatching now, if it wasn't just on HBO, because people were pissed about the way it ended. - Yeah, and for you, what went into that decision, the final decision for the last episode? - Ah, I mean, look, that's all about my pay grade. - It isn't, you're in the writer's room. Don't lie to me, Tyler. God damn it, somebody should have put it on the roof, too. All right, Tyler? We'll get to that in a minute. - Wait, the roof was actually a little bit sloped, so it was dangerous to you. - Yeah, was the writer's room sloped or slanted? Don't do that to me, Tyler, you fuck. - You know how a writer's room works. I was the new guy, oh yeah, look, I'm with you. I think fans, you know, at the end of the day, the fans are what makes any show or any movie or not makes it, but they're the ones who make it what it is, you know? They're the ones who make it successful by watching it. So in my opinion, I completely agree with you, you know, everything, you know, like I'm not even gonna mention the word Disney, 'cause they're doing the inverted exact opposite of that, and they're paying for it. So I agree, I think the fans, you know, what they want should really dictate, you know, just give them what they want. To me, it's a pretty simple formula. - I agree. - That being said, if I'm doing perfectly honest here, I don't read the message boards, so I don't actually know what fans want, because again, you know, I had no sway over that. I did what they were told and tried to, you know, what the taskings they gave me, I tried to do it to the best of my ability. So I hope the fans are happy. Again, on my military side of things, I don't know what the fans wanted for ending, but I feel again that the ending is accurate to the community, if that makes sense. And I'll leave it at that. But I think in that, it's successful for sure. - Okay. 'Cause Dan-- - I don't think we trays the community. - Dan wanted a call from President Biden to help get out of Afghanistan at the end. So yeah, it's probably not gonna happen, I would imagine, right? - Well, just a couple of things I would have done differently. Like I wouldn't have pulled the only air base in the region in the middle of the night without telling the president or the military commander of Afghanistan, for example, right? Probably wouldn't have done that first. - Imagine we do that on a TV show. (laughing) - Well, we'll get into it about the assassination attempt and how all these weird details and how if this was a movie, you would have gotten up and walked out by now. - Yeah, dude. - Because it's so fucking stupid. - Yeah, yeah. - God damn it. This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life, honestly. - It is. - We've seen some dumb, like ham-handed attempts to fool the public in the past, like fucking five, six, seven years, but this is retarded. - Absolutely. And one more question regarding SEAL Team for the fans out there, and then we'll switch over to what's happening in the real world. With SEAL Team, it's so interesting for you guys because there was a pandemic where you were able to gain more fans. There was a switch from CBS to Paramount Plus where you're also able to gain more fans. Then there was multiple strikes where the networks needed content so that they switched the show back to CBS in the end and you gain even more fans out of that. What was the reaction like when you got back to set to film it and you had all these new people who were watching the show that had never watched the show before? - Yeah, I mean, it's been a journey. There's things that when you're the guy on the ground, it's impossible for us to know what's happening in the conversations back in the offices. I know for us, you try and do the best you can and the show really got the pandemic affected a lot of stuff, the switch to Paramount Plus, the strikes really messed up a lot of stuff. So we were so lucky to be able to keep filming despite all these obstacles being thrown in our way. But again, it's one of those things where you just try and every day do the best you can and try and make a show that the fans are gonna be happy with. And the interesting thing that people I don't think realize about the show is theoretically on Paramount Plus, theoretically, we would be able to make a streaming show. And I'm gonna do not be confined to the restraints of the network show. The problem is because it started as a network show, they're gonna want to sell it into syndication as a network show. So even though we went to Paramount Plus, the shackles of network TV were never taken off of us because they always, like for instance, the time limit on the show has always been 42 minutes because they need to fit that commercial section on there. I can tell you almost every episode is 10 times better with just two or three minutes added on. So it's like my episodes I directed, it was the last two, three minutes cutting was like freaking killing your children, right? I'm like, it's so much better with this, but you gotta hit that number. So for us, the sad part that the show, in my opinion, suffered from is we were always held to the network TV standard, which really reduces, in my opinion, the ability to be a little bit more gritty, which let's be honest, that's what this world is. So I think the show did a great job of being as authentic and gritty as it could be with the confines of our network drama. But we never really got, because of bouncing back and forth, we never really got to take the shackles of the network TV drama off us and really lean into the Paramount+ platform, sadly. - Yeah, and for the audience out there, I do wanna point out when Tyler said killing your children, that is a phrase inside the edit bay that is fairly common. He does not mean that in real life, so it's just a, it is a Hollywood phrase inside the edit that the editor sits down and says, "Hey, we're gonna have to kill your kids today." - Because the project is your baby. Like your company is, that's what it means. It doesn't mean it's not, well, I mean in Hollywood, you never know. - Well, I just wanna make sure, you know, people know that Tyler isn't going Columbine here today. - Oh no, it would be more like-- - What was that woman who grew up in Susan Smith, yeah. - Yeah, she's up for parole. - Is she? - This year, yeah. Do you remember that story, Grotto? 'Cause that was when Ross and I lived in, I lived in Greenville, South Carolina, like an hour away from Union. - Yeah. - And you lived in Northern Georgia, right? So we were like really close to that. That was a huge story. - Massive, massive story. - Yeah, but then, have you seen what she's doing, by the way, other than parole? - Oh yeah, she's trolling for Hogg, dude. She's trolling for the songs. She's got like a fucking, the best, like the most active, like, I don't even know what you would call it. It's almost like a Craigslist fucking, remember when they had the dating thing on Craigslist? - Oh yeah, back page? - Yeah, back page, yeah. I mean, it's like that. She's just trolling for Hogg out there. And there's some dude that she's trying to get married to or maybe she already has. And she's like, oh. - It's like giving her a ton of money. - Yeah, they're like making plans. Like, oh, I guess, you know, I only need about 500 K to live the rest of my life. So, I mean, they're like talking about it openly. It's the weirdest shit I've ever seen in my life. They need to do a fucking crime corner on that. - Oh, that'd be great. - It blew my mind. - It blew my mind. But again, but again, Dan, go back to, do you remember why she killed her kids? - I don't remember exactly why she said it was, no. - She said it was, or I don't know if she said this or they figured it out, but essentially the dude that she wanted to be with at the time didn't want kids. - Correct. - But she wanted to be with them. She's like, oh, I'll freaking problem solved. So if you think about it, what she's doing now with this guy, this woman obviously has some serious issues with men that she seeks their approval to a degree that to be with a guy, she would literally kill her kids. Like, that is how messed up this woman is. - Yeah. - She's basically spawn camping her own wound. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Which is a weird way to go about it. - And if the hog is right, she'll kill them, you know, and get out of there. Tyler, let's get back to the real world here and not Hollywood. Where were you when President Trump, the attempted assassination went down? - It was Saturday, right? - Mm-hmm. - Yeah, so funny. So my girlfriend actually had a competition, a fitness competition. So I was at that all day. And I remember right before we left to the competition, I was like walking out, I forget what I saw, but I saw Trump rushed off stage. That's all I saw, Trump rushed off stage. And dude, for whatever reason, I just was like, somehow I knew that's a big deal. And I think, obviously I didn't know how big a deal was, but just some reason I was like, dude, maybe because I can't, honestly, offhand, I can't think of a time ever seeing a president rushed off by the secret server. I can't think of a time. And so I didn't know how serious it was, but I just remember seeing that and thinking, dude, that's nuts, that never happens, right? So then I got to the competition, we were there. And then I started, you know, getting messages and this stuff like that. And then I just started looking, you know, doing my research there. - Yeah, because of your military background, I just assume that you guys get text messages and Dan and Tim Kennedy and those guys before the rest of us do. So you guys are kind of in the know before everyone else. - Yeah, my signal app was on fire. - I'm sure. - Within minutes of it. And the other part of it is like, how the narrative has changed almost every day since it happened because of the new information, and this happens right to some degree, but it's been wild narrative shifts over time. It has been like the first day, the first two days, it was the rhetoric from the left is what led to this. Calling him Hitler, calling him Mussolini and all this bullshit. Like you say he's a threat to democracy, you literally tell people that he's a threat to the country and if he wins, the country goes away, right? That was for the rest of Saturday and Sunday, that was it. Monday, the details start coming out and people are like, all right, I don't know a lot about this, but I'm not a fucking idiot, right? Like I have basic human intelligence. I can tell that something's wrong, but the problem is for a lot of people, I don't think they understood why what they were seeing. They knew what was wrong, but they didn't understand why it was wrong. And luckily, thanks to independent media and some newer, I guess more conservative entertainment channels out there, we were able to piece together some stuff and people like Tyler and Tim Kennedy and Dallas Alexander and Rob O'Neill and a bunch of other people, right? Corey Mills is a congressman who have actually done PSD work, EP work, Ben's actual snipers could bring some context to this. And that was, I think that made people feel a little bit more comfortable to have information out there. And then in that lasted for a couple of hours until I was like, wait a minute, this is way more fucked up than what I thought it was. - Yeah, and Bob, I just texted you a picture. If you could pop that on screen, it would be great. This picture to me was the most telling out of all of them. And it was a, somebody at the rally from behind who had taken a photo of it, of President Trump on stage. I'm not sure if you'll be able to see it here, but it's all right, the audience will. - Okay. - So there's President Trump on stage that was taken behind him, and then there's the building right there, Dan. - Yeah. - Is that the building? - What building are you talking about? - That's not the building he shot from? - No, no, it's over to us, right. But that is, it's the similar size and shape building, and you can see the slope. - Right. - Which is the two of 12, right? - But here's the other thing, nobody's on this one either. So why isn't anyone on this building as well? Like that doesn't make any sense. - And by the way, the counter snipers that we have seen so far, we're looking over towards the building that the shooter is shot from. But I don't see anybody in any picture I've seen so far looking at what you just showed. - No, right. So why wasn't there people there as well? And that was looking directly at them. None of it makes sense to me. The more and more you look at all the photos and the videos that are coming out and everything else, Tyler, what's your honest opinion on this? - Well, so let me say this. So, I was a sniper for four and a half years. I was a shooter, a shooter, a spotter, sniper team leader, and sniper section leader. We trained in counter sniping. I've actually shot with at that time, I shot with the Secret Service counter sniper team. Not this one, but back in the day. So I have shot with them before. I did that job for a long time. I know it very well. In addition, what I got out of the military, I've worked a PSD and EP for over a decade. That was my waiter job while I was trying to work in Hollywood. So I've ran PSDs. I've ran EP details for Fortune 100, Chairman's of the Board. So I've done this job a lot, and I know it very, very, very well. And the level of incompetence is really hard for me to grasp, honestly. It's so bad that it's shocking. And what's crazy about this situation is, in the beginning, it was like, wow, just a 20-year-old kid doing what he did. That alone is insanity. How is that possible? So you go, how is that possible? That's crazy. Then the problem is, as more information has come out, the expectation I had is that as more information came out, you would go, oh, that makes sense why that happened. That makes sense why that hole was there, whatever it is. In this situation, the exact opposite has happened. The more information that comes out, the more it begs questions of how in the absolute fuck this was possible on a myriad of levels. Like, I honestly don't understand how 10% of this happened, let alone 100. Me neither. And again, the more and more things are coming out about this, and you really start to wrap your mind around it, it just doesn't make any sense. It really genuinely feels like somebody said, all right, this is our last shot. We tried to bankrupt them and all the stuff that you said the other day. And then this is it because there is no other possibility. And then how does she still have a job? That part is-- She still employed today as of three o'clock. That's another thing I don't understand. I just want to back up a second, take a 30,000-foot view of this. Forget about the rhetoric and all that stuff that may have led to it. Let's just talk about what happened, right? So in the facts surrounding that. So as of yesterday, we now know that the intelligence community had put out to the NSC, the National Security Council, which would have put out this information to everybody else, the DOJ and every member of the IC and every member of DHS, right, all those organizations would have been informed about this, that there was an Iranian, an active Iranian plot to kill President Trump. Do you believe that? Yes, fucking yeah, I believe it. You do. Yes, I believe it. So I don't think the two things are related. I don't think this kid was an Iranian asset necessarily or anything like that. That's not the point that I'm trying to make. The point that I'm making is they knew that there was an elevated threat environment for the president of the United States, right? And they still sent what we're hearing is a B team, right? And this isn't to be a dick to HSI or anything, but apparently some actual secret service guys got pulled to another detail. Not sure about the exact specifics on that one, but they got pulled to another detail. And we're covered down by HSI homeless security investigation, which is like basically an 1811, an FBI agent, but for immigration, that's essentially what they are, right? For CBP, like all that stuff. So people that don't do that job showed up to do that job. And then local police who weren't informed at all about what was going on, right? Because they can-- the secret services tried to pawn this off on the local police. And if you look at the perimeter-- so secret service will have a perimeter. And then local police will have another perimeter outside of that, right? For some reason, the best building possible anywhere near that place, 150 meters away from POTUS, is outside of their perimeter. They use it as a staging area for local cops. And they don't put any value on the rooftop for it, right? So we know that there's-- just to recap the facts, we know that there's an elevated threat environment. We pull people off as detail anyways. And then we fucking don't have a command presence on seeing there that's doing what they're supposed to do. There is a level of incompetence that implies malfeasance. It's-- I believe in Handland's eraser. Don't imply malice where incompetence will suffice. This is so bad that something went wrong. Now, one of the other things we found out today, actually-- excuse me-- is that over the last two weeks, there's been a mass short of true social stock. Now, if that sounds familiar, it's the same goddamn thing that Congress and all their friends did before 9/11. It's the same thing they did before COVID. In late 2019 or early 2020, the exact same pattern. In three or four weeks from now, when the SEC releases information, because it's public information, we're going to find out what the names on that list are and see who shorted true social stock right before somebody tried to kill that motherfucker. Yeah, I don't like most of the conspiracies. I don't know what the fuck happened here, but something happened and it was allowed to happen. I am convinced of that at this point. I am too. Is that where you're at as well, Tyler? I mean, I'll say it differently. I think what I'm about to say is similar, but I'm just going to say it in my words, is at this point, the level of incompetence is so dramatic that in my personal opinion-- and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and I usually shoot conspiracy theories down-- but we're at a sad place where the conspiracy theory-- conspiracy theories are, quite frankly, more logical than this level of incompetence. And I think the problem, the dangerous slope that we're on, is I feel that it's going to be next to impossible. Because here's the reality. Let's just say it is 100% incompetence. Let's just say for argument's sake, right? If that is true, they are still going to do a level 10 cover-up to save their asses. So what's going to be very difficult because of that is I don't know if we're ever going to fully be able to sort out where the incompetence ends and the conspiracy or the left thing begins. Does that make sense? It does. And as the lone civilian here out of the three of you guys, I refuse to believe that the Secret Service is that incompetent. I refuse to believe that. I just can't wrap my mind around it. Dan and I have been to the most high-profile events you could possibly go to. Super Bowls. The rallies for all these presidents, everything else. Shit, even the opening football game. Our buddies who are local police took a photo through the scope and said, hey, here you are in the front row. I can find you in an 80,000-person stadium. As a civilian, I just refuse to believe that it was incompetence. I can't believe it. 150 yards away. If it was further, sure. If you were in downtown New York City and there was skyscrapers and buildings and somebody put their gun out the window, Vegas, for example, with that guy. Breaking open a window that's near impossible to break open. Well, that never happened. Well, whatever it was, at least that's a better reason than what we've been given. Well, that's what you're being asked to-- Usually, in a cover-up or something like this, whether it was just incompetence, the cover-up is in. They're working on it now, right? Whether it was in competence or somebody who actually tried to clip this dude, the cover-up said. Usually, they try to offer you a reasonable excuse for you to suspend your disbelief. You know what I mean? Give them an out. Give these people something they could feel OK about believing. And it's propaganda. That's how it works, right? This time, you're being asked to choose between is the most elite, close protection, detail on Earth, incompetent, and got defeated by a 20-year-old with no training, or something else going on that might require some fucking trials. You know what I mean? That's what you're being asked to choose between right now. People are getting very uncomfortable with it, even on the left, I feel like. Like, you remember all the criticism of everybody could-- this conspiracy theory that, with COVID, with whatever, right, all throughout the last couple of years, the left has been highly critical of any kind of conspiracy theory. But all of a sudden, they're all very comfortable with this being, oh, Trump probably had this done. And by the way, I just want to reiterate this. If you really think that this was a setup by the Trump campaign, go play William Tell with somebody. Find a random 20-year-old, give him an off-the-shelf rifle, and go play William Tell. And tell me how it works out for you. Yeah, or a Nerf gun. Just a Nerf gun. I mean, do it for real. Do it for me, my God. So there's another way to defeat that argument. And I've heard multiple people say it, and it's like, look, guys, if you really think that he was able to coordinate his-- it's laughable. But let's say it this way. If Trump had set it up, that means the Secret Service wouldn't be in on it, which means they would have shot the kid in a millisecond. Yeah. No one's mentioning that. If the Secret Service wasn't in on it, because Trump set it up, then their incompetence would never come into play, because they would have killed him right away. So let's go through, again, the stuff that actually happened on the ground. And I want you to react to some of this as somebody who's done Counter-Sneiper Operation before. And then there's some technical stuff from federal agencies post-event that we'll talk about later to, and I want to get your insight on that. So this is what happened. Homeboy shows up. We've got video of it today, actually. Homeboy shows up an hour before he shoots, and he's walking around in front of the building. He's got a range finder in his hand. He's looking up at the building to see how he can gain access to it. Now, who videoed that? Somebody in the crowd. And I don't know if they were specifically paying attention to him or not, right? Maybe I think at some point they zoomed in. It looks like he's kind of in the background. And maybe they noticed. But at least he definitely started in the background. There's also word, and again, I don't know if this confirmed yet, but there was word that he brought, which, again, is crazy to me, brought the range finder through security. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he would have had to, right? Because he brought it in before. He brought it in before, right? So he's walking around on site an hour before the speech with a range finder in his hand. And he's walking around the best place to shoot from in the entire area with a goddamn range finder's hand looking up at the roof trying to find access to the roof, right? That happens. Goes to Home Depot or something, or somewhere around there, and buys, and here, I'll tell you this. I'm going to put it out here. I'm trademarking this right now. If video comes out of him on CCTV at Home Depot or walking away from it, I'm putting that song over the video and I'm putting it out. That's mine. Anyways, he picks up 50 rounds of ammo, grabs himself a ladder and his rifle and his ammo, and he walks a mile. He does an offset infill with 1,000 goddamn cops and fucking secret service counters snipers everywhere and just walks up to the back of the building, fucking puts the ladder on it, climbs onto the fucking roof. Do you know how heavy the ladder is to carry for a mile? I don't know how heavy any of the stuff was that. It could be in carbon fiber or something. Who knows, right? Just use a 18-foot ladder, and that fucking thing was heavy. I couldn't imagine carrying a mile. This kid's like 125 pounds soaking wet. He has no testosterone and no muscle on his body, right? Yeah. So no matter how much it weighed, it was going to be a problem for him. So he does all that and gets seen 26 minutes before the shots bring out, and people are trying to alert cops. They're trying to alert secret service. Now, where are the cops? The cops are responsible for that building. I think it was state police. I'm not, don't quote me on that, but I think it was state police. They're responsible for that building. They decide, apparently, according to the director of the God damn secret service, that the little slope on top of it was just too much to handle. Which, by the way, it was less of a slope than the counter sniper team's slope, but forget about that for a moment. So they decide to go inside the building that doesn't have windows facing anywhere. It doesn't. I've seen pictures that it doesn't. For fuck's sake. I have-- You don't pull a secure-- You don't pull Overwatch from inside a windowless building for a long time. I have a theory on why they did that, but we'll go to that. Oh, go ahead. OK, yeah, go ahead. What is that theory? It was hot, bro. Yeah, yeah. True, for real. I'm not joking. I'm not joking. I'm not joking. I'm not joking. I'm pretty-- because look, let's-- so I did two-- by the way, I did two-- I was a military sniper, and when I got out, I did this-- anyways, I went to two law enforcement sniper schools because I wanted to understand law enforcement sniping as opposed to military sniping so I could train SWAT snipers. So I did two law enforcement sniper courses. And within-- and again, I was never a cop. But within law enforcement, it was told to me that there was kind of friction between the snipers and the SWAT team on the snipers generally being lazy and not setting up in the ways that they could have they put more out. It was like literally in the course-- the course that I went to, the guy was like, I'm not going to let you be lazy and I'm going to force you guys to freaking be the first ones there and run into the target and set up and all this stuff. So it was definitely an issue in the law enforcement sniper community. And again, am I saying all law enforcement snipers are lazy? Absolutely not. But I think these guys probably were. We don't know this, but the fact is, as a sniper team, they are inside a building that I have seen. It doesn't have any windows facing out. It has a roll-up door, which is shit. Even if it did have windows, where it has very few, they have a very, very, very limited perspective. Her comment about the sloped roof is obviously bullshit. We know it's bullshit because her guys were on a roof that is more sloped than that one. So the only logical argument, in my opinion, is that they didn't want to be out in the elements. They didn't want to be on the roof. It was hot. It was exposed to the sun. You put a sniper team in a building. That doesn't make sense. Therefore, something has to make it make sense. And I think, quite frankly, laziness is what makes the most sense there. To grow. No, I agree with that. I think that's exactly what it is. Because when you go to-- so my academic, like the second part of my academic life, was primarily around security and risk management and international homely and security and shit like that. A big part of it is this, right? And one of the first lessons you learn when you start researching how to do close protection details and stuff like that is the Abraham Lincoln case, right? What happened? How was a guy able to walk in with a revolver and walk right up behind the president of the United States and put a bullet in his brain? Well, here's what happened. There were supposed to be two security guards stationed outside the door, two secret-- not secret service, but two guys outside the door. And they were supposed to be facing out, watching the hallway. They stepped inside and started watching the goddamn play. And the whole hallway walked in right in between them and popped them in the head, right in between them. It was a very popular play. It wasn't Book of Mormon, for Christ's sake. It was Hamilton. Wasn't it fouls or some shit? It was an American story. Yeah, American story, yeah, that's right. I've been in that theater, by the way. Same here. Yeah, I love it. They walked down the hallway, unchecked, walks into the balcony where Lincoln and his wife are sitting, splits two fucking Pinkerton guys. Boom, right in the back of the head. And this is the story, right? It's like, you can't get complete. Your job is to face out always, right? That's your job. If you don't want to do it, go home and do something else. But that's your job. You'll always face out. Apologies. Our American cousin. Our American cousin. I know what. Is that like the precursor to my cousin, Benny? Yes, sure is. Yeah, sure is, too. That was a Mandela effects moment. I had American story, too, but. Yeah. So anyways, that's the lesson. So it's the first thing when you're on any kind of like PSD, EP detail, that's like the first thing you get taught, right? It's just awareness, not even situational awareness. Just have your eyes up and out all the time. And that was failure. And now the other part of this is the communications breakdown. And this might be, regardless of whether this was a conspiracy or not, this is something that needs to be addressed in the same way that it hasn't actually worked very well, but in the same way that the JTTF has been used to try to address the Intel community communication failures for 9/11, right? When we talked about this a little bit on Sunday, but when a secret service detail shows up somewhere, or a federal agency shows up somewhere, typically the local agencies have different communications equipment, different channels. Oftentimes they use either American phonetics versus NATO phonetics, which is what we use, all this stuff, right? And there's a, it creates a bit of a lag in communication. It doesn't create a 26-minute lag where people are like, people are trying to get a cop's attention and say, hey, there's a guy with a gun, or hey, there's a guy trying to get on the roof over here, right? And they, you have a lot of time you could have picked up, you could have fucking pulled out a typewriter and typed that message in 26 minutes, put it on a fucking bird's leg and had him go tell him. You know what I mean? Like that part is another, that's such a failure again, that I don't understand how you could fail that badly. I sincerely don't understand it. - Tyler, you've been on the show before. We've got some sponsors we gotta take care of, 'cause they take care of us and keep the lights on in here. Hopefully you guys out there will support them as well. First and foremost, firstform.com/drinkingbros. I know I'm always talking about the micro factors on the show. However, Anthony, they are a protein company and that's what they were built on. 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Even if they didn't do that, let's say they don't want cops talking to Secret Service, which, okay, that could be an issue, fine. You have designated people that are connected on a radio to both nets that are the ones that are, like, let's say you have the cops are reporting to their supervisor, and then their supervisor is the one that has the ability to jump nets. So I understand it was highly more than likely two different nets, and they didn't have, on the lower levels, the ability to talk to each other. That being said, what Dan said is, dude, for that amount of time, I would understand, I would even give it five minutes. Within five minutes, maybe 10 if I'm being extreme, fine. But more than five or 10 minutes, you can't give me a plausible explanation why people weren't able to jump to the other net and figure out a way to communicate with the other group. It's insanity to me. - Yeah, I agree. And right now, we're left with two options. In competency, or it was a fucking conspiracy. Now, whatever the fucking option is here, whatever it ends up being in real life, the head of the Secret Service still needs to be fired immediately, and why still has a job right now, I can't understand. - No question. - I can't understand. - No question. And the other thing that I wanna say with Dan said, 'cause this is an important thing. I've been a detail leader multiple times. Here is a fact, no one can dispute this, and I will take a Pepsi challenge pun intended for anyone who disputes this with me. But I'll tell you who's responsible for all of the security, and that's the Secret Service. - Buck stops here. - The for them to put anything on the local police is not just ridiculous, but if I was the police, I'd be offended, but more than importantly, it is absolutely a massive failure in taking any kind of responsibility. You, the Secret Service, we all know, is responsible for protecting the president and former presidents. Therefore, it was the Secret Service's responsibility for all of the security at the event. Whatever you relied on for local law enforcement, it is still on you to supervise that and ensure that it is happening. The detail leader, or not the detail leader, but the whoever was leading the advance from the Secret Service, they should have been the ones to dictate law enforcement positions. They would have been the one to dictate how the communication was happening between, you know, going from jumping from law enforcement to Secret Service and/or back and forth, all of that should have been worked out during the advance. - Well, like, let's say you're the detail leader on this on the advance team, walk us through how you approach this, just give us the high notes. - Yeah, so, and again, I'm gonna tell you how I did advances. Also, by the way, I mean, we literally trained with the Secret Service, so I mean, I'm somewhat familiar with their operations. I've worked with them before, I've worked with the State Department, so the way it works is you show up, first of all, you would absolutely show up prior to the event. The advance is not happening the day of, period. So what should happen is show up, and again, how many days, I don't know, I don't know their schedule, so I'm not gonna say, you know, that, but at least prior to the event, the advance leader is gonna show up, the advance leader is going to spot, you know, all the logistics. This is where we're going to bring the client in, this is where the client's gonna speak from, this is where the client will go out, this is the alternate routes, if there's an issue, this is the emergency contingency plan, if an issue happens on infill, what if an issue happens while he's on stage, what if an, blah, blah, blah, they're gonna work out all of those plans in the advance. All the way down to like where the closest hospitals are on which routes, right? If we have to go north here, the closest hospitals, we're gonna have to go south, all that stuff. - I have done 50 freaking slide advances in PowerPoint, and I wanna give understanding here. I myself have done 50 slide power points for a five man team, for a Fortune 100 chairman of the board, I've done that. And that was me with five other people. Like, I can't imagine, like think of how big this planning process should be with the amount of logistical support that they had. - Yeah, and no offense, Tyler, but that guy that you were protecting that day wasn't the president of the United States. I mean, that's still the- - It's the biggest job in the world. - He's a very, very, very, very wealthy person, but he is not the president of the world. A president of the US. - I did the same stuff for the Department of Energy back of the day. So they've got their own protection details and stuff like that, but one of my clients was a company called Edison Electric Institute, and it's like the lobbying group for all the public sector energy companies in the country, right? And Elon Musk would come every year and speak, General Petraeus would speak, usually I was Petraeus's body man for that, his protection deal for that. - Yeah, I see. - Yeah, so they would have DSS guys there, they have DOE guys there, and we fucking meet up before the event. At least, so they do their own advanced work, but they would at least send us out information. They would call me or send me information, like here's all the stuff that you need to know for this detail, here's your guy's itinerary, and here's where he needs to be when and all this other stuff like that, like to a very detailed and granular level. Now these are important people, but they're all, like, except for the DOE guys, usually they're not even government anymore, right? This is just, the details matter on this stuff. - And how far in advance would you get that? - Weeks, at a minimum, right? So it's a convention that happens every year, so like when we did the ones in DC, I used to work with this guy named Fred Pirate, he was Madeleine Albright's agent in charge for the whole time she was Secretary of State, DSS agent, used to work with him a lot. He and I, and this other dude named Jimmy Spoo, would do these details with dignitaries and shit like that. And it would be months in advance that we would have a, by the like five to seven minute schedule for what everybody's doing. Just so you know, because when shit starts blowing up and gunfire, or even just screaming and loud noises and chaos and panic, if you don't already have, this is why we do the training we do. If you don't have it memorized already, then you're not gonna remember it. You're not gonna be making good decisions. It's the bodyguard equivalent of a military battle drill. - Pretty much, yeah. - You have to know the battle drills because when the shit hits the fan, you don't have time to think, you just have to go into automatic mode. So I can tell you, Ross, for me doing these events, more than likely, more than likely, you have someone that is doing the planning for the event. And again, I don't know this for sure, but more than likely you have someone that is doing the security planning for the event, which would take place weeks prior. So they're planning the event and you have somebody going, you know, hey, the stage needs to have this, that, and the other, and they're doing this security planning of the event. By and large, that is not gonna be the advanced agent. The advanced agent is doing all the advances, you know, for the venue prior to arrival. So more than likely, somebody did the security planning. For me, doing an advance, I've done this a long time, I wouldn't do the advance until the place was built out. I've done advances a million times prior to the build out of the event, and it doesn't mean shit, because everything looks completely different. So for me, I'm waiting until the event is built out the way it's gonna look on the day, which is usually to the day before. I'm gonna go there then when the event is built out, how it's gonna look, and then I'm gonna look at everything, the way it's gonna be on the day, and I'm gonna make my, hey, I want people placed here, I want a team here, I wanna, the cat team here, they're gonna do all of those planning in that advance at that moment, and some of it would have been planned prior to the advance agent. But the advance agent is the one that is planning it for that actual team. - Yeah, so I would go on Google Maps usually and print out the satellite view, and then I would have it, I'd print it out, put it on a what do you call it, clipboard, and I would have a marker, and I would go stand where my principal was gonna stand and just look around and make notations, 'cause stuff changes over time, right? Even if you've got a drone, like these days, you should have an overhead drone picture of all this stuff. Even then, if it's more than a day or two in advance, you need to at least adjust the plan when you get in there, right? This, like I don't understand how, if you're in charge, like Tyler's saying, the buck stops at the secret service, so if you're the security planner, if you're the agent in charge of that detail, right, or whomever it is that they're using, or they're using for tasking for that, an S2 element or something, if you're in charge of that, how do you put the best place to shoot from under the control of local police? That part boggles my mind, like if I walk up onto the constructed grandstand and I stand there, and I look around, I'm like, that's a fucking problem right there, right? You don't send, and I don't mean this as an insult, but it's true, you don't send the B-team out there, you send the most qualified person to the most dangerous spot. - Well, and real quick, to my knowledge, the police department hasn't spoke out yet, and said, hey, we were told to stand down, and this was the secret service, or have they, because that would be the first thing that I would do if I was the head of that department and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're not throwing my guys under the fucking boss here, Secret Service. You were supposed to do this job. - You would if you were playing ball. You know, you would if you were playing ball. So, but let me throw out this. Here's, again, I think the only had two Secret Service counters sniper teams, if I'm not mistaken. - Yeah, my understanding so far was there was the ones we see right behind the grandstand, and then two trumps left, a little bit behind him now. So who killed the kid with Secret Service or local police? - I don't know. - Well, the channel had a police vest on. - Okay. - Yeah, but I don't know if that's. - Yeah, no, those guys were definitely Secret Service, those two guys were definitely Secret Service. But, so here's the deal. To your point, Dan, a counter sniper is gonna wanna be placed close to the president facing out because you wanna be close to the president looking towards where a shooter would be. - Sure, yeah. I mean, that's why I would always go stand right where my principal was gonna stand and just look. You know what I mean? - Yeah, so I think the Secret Service counters sniper team counters sniper teams were placed in the right spot. And again, I didn't go to the train, but I'm saying they definitely need to be close to the president facing out. So with limited resources, I personally feel that giving that to the cops was not a ridiculous decision because that wasn't a good place for the Secret Service counters snipers. - No, I didn't mean to put snipers on that rooftop because that rooftop doesn't have a vantage point on anything, you know what I mean? Like you don't put a counter sniper team aiming and towards your principal, that would be weird. - Well, that's what I'm saying. So I don't think it was bad that they had law enforcement designated for that building. The problem is is that it was up to the Secret Service to ensure that they had somebody on top of it. - Sure, yeah. - That's still on the Secret Service. So for me, as the advanced agent, I'm making the plan. I said, hey, I want cops on, you know, on that building. - Great. Morning up, I'm doing a walkthrough. The advanced agent, morning of, is walking through the whole freaking event and checking everything to make sure it is in place prior to the arrival of the president. - Yeah, I agree with that. And you, theoretically, like if I was setting up that security plan, I don't know that I would necessarily even put somebody on that roof. Chances are I would just put somebody at every 90 degree angle of the building outside. Even if it's just a security guard with a gun to make sure somebody doesn't gain access to the roof, that's the problem. As long as they can't, as long as nobody else can gain access to it, I feel okay about that. You got that? - Yeah, I don't know, man. Look, I don't know. I'm looking at it, look, it's, don't get me wrong. It's easy for us to stay in hindsight. There definitely should have been a man up there because I shot him there. That being said, dude, in my opinion, 150 yards is nothing. That's nothing. - Yeah. - And I think you could make a really hard argument for at least in the buildings in the immediate vicinity. I think you could make a hard argument that there should have been someone up there. I really do. I, I, and again-- - Even if it was like local security, guys would just like fucking ARs or something, right? I mean-- - Dude, I don't think it had to be a sniper team. I think you just put a cop up there, a SWAT officer up there with a rifle. - Yeah, yeah, I agree. - I don't see how they didn't put somebody. Again, if, dude, if it would have been 400 yards, okay, but 150 is ridiculous. I literally could shoot that with a pistol, literally. - Yeah, and go to your, go to your favorite college football team this fall, if they're playing a big game, let's just take Michigan versus Texas, for example. - And look up. - Look up. - Just look up. - There'll be-- - Snipers everywhere and a college football. - There'll at least be one sniper team, a sniper, a spotter, at least one. - Well, so here's the other thing, is a lot of people, by the way, have mentioned, I've seen a million comments about the water tower. I don't know how far away the water tower was. - Or how accessible it was, or what angle you could have shot from. - In my personal opinion, and again, I haven't gone to the train, but I'm betting that the water tower was too far away for a counter sniper team, because again, you want to be at the president facing out. The water tower is pretty damn far away. - Yeah. - And don't be wrong, it would be a great overwatch of the area, but it doesn't mean it's a good counter sniper position. So I just want to mention that. - I agree with that. So we know that it's all fucked up. We know this is all fucked up for many reasons. And it wasn't just, like let's say that the best case scenario is that it was in competence and not some kind of conspiracy. There's incompetence at the local police level for not being on that roof or securing it for sure, right? That's without question, in my opinion. - Yeah, I agree. - And then for-- - It has no perspective in it. - No perspective. No, there's no such thing as overwatch inside of a building with a window. So, and then Secret Service is a failure for not demanding that somebody be up there. I'm sorry that it's hot out, bud. - Yeah. - This is the job, right? So at the best case scenario here, as that we've seen one of the most egregious cases of incompetence, of Secret Service, especially, that I can ever remember, that I can ever remember. - The Kennedy one is worse than people realize. - Yeah, I mean that book depository thing is ridiculous. - Well that-- - 80 meters away and on the sixth floor of a seven story building that's fucking line of sight and direct to where the route's gonna be. - Yeah, no bubble time. - A child could've made that. - But then guys, we're looking at the same answer. JFK and Trump, it has to be an inside job. - Well, there's other stuff with the Secret Service one too. As far as JFK goes, that is like fully on the Secret Service to the point where it's like that, I don't know how that could have been part of a conspiracy, but like a lot of his agents were hung the fuck over. Like it'd been out till four in the morning pounding margaritas, like it's stuff that goes beyond like, oh they didn't like Donald Sutherland scene in JFK, right? Like they're like shit where it's just like, dude, what the fuck? Like you're puking before the parade starts, like God damn. - Yeah, that's not great. - Let's also remember this. A dude stepped out of a crowd and shot fucking three people with a 22 caliber revolver, Kennedy assassination, or Reagan assassination attempt. - Yep. - Literally, the dude steps out of a crowd, shoots six shots from a 22 caliber revolver, drops freaking two people, a ricochet hits Reagan, almost kills him. Like if you watch the video of that, now first of all, the agents that responded, fucking impressive job. - Yeah, that was a lead. - Clearly impressive job by several, that his AIC, some really solid work by those agents there. But dude, how did that guy get that close with a pistol? And he just shoves his arm through the crowd and dumps six shots. And the Secret Service has gotten away with, like gotten away with what they got away with because no one's ever tried. - The same thing happened with Gerald Ford as well, with one of the Manson chicks. - Yeah, pop right at squeaky from. - Yep, squeaky from. - Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's crazy. So look, let's be honest here, the Secret Service does not have, I don't think we've ever seen them truly stop anyone. - Well, then let's say that it is that, if you're Joe Biden and you have all the information, which I'm assuming he does at this point, because it's been four days later, why don't you march into her office, fire her, go on television publicly. - You said it already. - This is the most egregious thing in history. - You said it twice in that sentence. - H-E-R, that's why. - Well, you gotta do it. Otherwise, you're gonna be out of a job, which we'll get to now. - Well, I think you've got to like, I do think bringing in a replacement makes sense, but you also have to complete the investigation. And here are some updates on that. - Okay. - Right, and Tyler, this is one of the reasons I wanted to have you on here, aside from just your sniper experience and experience with DSS and Secret Service Wood. You have done probably hundreds of SSE, right? You've sensitive site exploitation. We raid a target, right? Maybe multiple targets. And we've got a few minutes to walk by and collect any intelligence we can that we try to especially exploit any kind of digital intelligence. We could find phones, laptops, whatever. You remember the treasure trove we found would been lot. This kid's devices, this is what I've heard from the government, directly from people that are involved in looking. They're wiped clean, not even wiped clean. They don't have a scratch on them. The phone doesn't have a scratch on it. There's no handling of the phone, right? So they're trying to find out it's brand new or not. You remember that they couldn't get into it at first. There was some kind of barrier to examine the data. They had to take the phone apart and do some old school shit to get the data off of it. Turns out there is none, right? So it's an indicator that he is either extremely sophisticated and intelligent about tradecraft or that he's getting help from somebody else. 'Cause this is what you should expect to see from an asset being used by somebody else. They take all your shit away, your ID, all your devices, all this stuff and they give you something to only communicate with them. We'll see how this plays out but I wanna get knowing that now and this is not just one device, it's multiple devices. They haven't found it, there's no social media. They haven't found a phone with any of his stuff on it with friends or family members calling them or any of this shit. How is that possible in 2024? You've done raids in the digital era like this. Everybody's got something. But even the stuff that he did have is clean. Like when I say clean, I mean like unused. - And we've got two photos circulating in the media, a high school photo and then the one where he's dead on the roof. I haven't seen anything else. - And some of the surveillance stuff. - Yeah, that's it. Day of. - Yeah, so the, and again, the only thing that I, so I'll start with what I don't think is weird. Personally, and I could be wrong, I don't think the social media is weird. And the reason I don't is, would you have social media through that, were that kid? - Why? Because he's unpopular or bullied. - But he would have like a fucking a Griper account on Twitter with a, with Pepe the Frog on it or something. - Or a WhatsApp account or something, man. - Maybe, maybe, I'm just saying, look for, by all accounts of him being bullied, I'll let the social media thing go because, you know, I, that could go either way. I'm just saying, yeah, I probably wouldn't have social media if I was him. That being said, you know, device is being cleaned and everything. Look, I mean, dude, at a certain point, I thought that as this went longer, and I said this earlier, I thought this would get less weird. It's getting more weird. - Well, let me, let me posit something just a thought experiment for you. - So you're doing, let's say you're like in a foreign city somewhere, you're in Dubai, right? You're doing dipsec for somebody, or you're doing an EPD tale for a dignitary or something like that. There's an attempt, right? And you grab the guy or kill the guy or whatever, and you examine all this stuff. No ID, nothing on him, no history, no fucking train tickets, nothing. And he's got a phone on him, and there's nothing programmed into it, and it doesn't have a scratch. There's no little scratches down at the bottom where you plug your phone into a charger. What do you, like as somebody that does this kind of stuff, what do you make of that scenario? 'Cause that's very bizarre to me. - No, it's bizarre. I mean, look, I don't think the theory of it being given to him is out there at all. I think it's very possible. It's the whole device thing. I mean, look, the motive and all the stuff. Like, let me say this, let me say this. What does this remind you of this lack of information on him? When has this happened in the last 10 years? - Um, Epstein. - No, no, no. One, another shooter that to this day, the official narrative. - Oh yeah, the Vegas shooter, yeah. I mean, it's like what information we do have is clearly, is either fabricated or manicured. One of the two. - Oh, so again, look, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but that right there is bullshit. - Yeah, well, that's so, here's the parallel for me. And I get the bullying thing and not having a huge social media presence or something. - Hey, it's awful. - Yeah, yeah, I get that part of it, but no like, no photos, no videos, no social media, no used phone, no call logs or any of that shit. And then on the Vegas side, you have the most surveilled city on earth. And there's nothing for this guy. We got a fucking video of him going up the elevator and then a picture of his dead body in the fucking floor and 33rd floor of Mandalay Bay. There's no way that's possible. - There's no way that whole thing stinks. I'm not saying I know what the answer is, but I'm telling you what the official account is, there's just no way, it's a lot logical. What this is shaping up to be so far is very similar. You know, when they tell you, somebody doesn't do that for no reason. What's very strange about this kid that I can't figure out is this weird, trying to think of the best way to say it. But right now, right now with what we know, he's the most competent, incompetent person ever or the most incompetent, competent person ever. Does that make sense? There's like weird, he's doing some things. And again, I did that job. There's things that he's doing that you're like, I mean, dude, I mean, by all accounts, sounds like he had planned a distraction device in this car. You know what I mean? - Well, yeah, the news today is he had a detonator with him on the roof, I see the picture of that, yeah. - And again, did it work? Would it have worked, you know? So it's like he's doing some things that are really smart, but then at the same time, you go, dude, they knew about him. Let's not even go the full hour. Let's just go the current 26 minutes where this cop took a picture of him and was set back. 26 minutes, just forget 26 minutes, sorry. Let me go with the two minutes and 20 seconds, whatever it is that we see him on the roof. By the way, the kid can't even crawl right for Christ's sake. Like he can't even crawl right, but at the same time, it's like his level of incompetence, yet his level of competence that he got away with, dude, it is the strangest, I don't wanna say tactical scenario, but like it's one of the, it's the craziest situation I've ever been aware of personally. It's insane, because he should have been dead within, dude, also, by the way, let me just say this, at 150 yards, I could literally shoot his scope off his gun with that car, sniper's gun. And that's it, easy shot. I can take that drunk and I'm not here saying I'm a fucking great shooter. What I'm saying is 150 yards with a sniper rifle is nothing. - Even if it's mid-range with like an 8X variable, like a one to eight vortex or something like that, do you know what I mean? - Dude, those snipers have-- - I know they have 25, I'm just saying. - Those are at least high-powered objects. - Yeah, I mean, that's an easy shot. That's an easy shot. - It's all, like you said, the longer it goes on, the more confusing it gets. And, you know, I mean, man, I really do try to give scenarios the benefit of the doubt. I don't wanna jump to conclusions and shit like that. I'm trying to do the same thing, but it's getting harder. - It's getting more difficult. I know like if you were trying to understand what an object was and you were too close to it and you couldn't see the full thing, it could be very confusing trying to figure out what it is. Like I'm just looking at a door handle, right? So it must be a door, right? And I back up and like, oh, it's a whole building or whatever, right? Context matters. But I can't, the juxtaposition that you describe, and I think it's actually three ways, right? This guy is either trained and defeated this, like supposedly good protection detail. He's not trained and he defeated this detail, which implies either incompetence or malfeasance, right? So there's three elements in here. And I, for fuck's sake, can't figure out what's going on. Like I don't, and I'm not sure, I certainly don't trust DHS or the FBI to tell us the truth 'cause they're actively trying to cover this shit up right now. - No, and look, there's no doubt, and that's what I said earlier. The problem right now is they have to, let me say this, let me say this. No matter if this turns out to be the level 10 conspiracy theory or not, regardless of that, they're factually already, no matter what, there is incompetence that is a fact. So whether this turns out to be, you know, intentional of the big conspiracy theory, whether that turns out to be true or not, we know already for a fact that there's massive incompetence, okay? So the problem is gonna be, they're gonna be covering up that incompetence no matter what. So it's gonna be, again, very hard to separate the, whether they're covering up something, you know, more insidious or just, you know, trying to save their asses with an absolute massive cover-up of their incompetence. I think it's gonna be very difficult to separate. I think it is gonna be quite frankly, probably disputed for years to come. I don't know, I mean, and I'll just use an example, Kennedy assassination. - Yeah, yeah. - What's the truth on that? We still don't know. I mean, I would say this about the Kennedy assassination. I would argue today that if you watch all the information, I would argue that it is illogical to believe the official narrative to be true. That's how I feel knowing all the information that has come out, you know, with all the open, you know, unclassified documents or whatever, it is unreasonable, in my opinion, to believe the official narrative for the Kennedy assassination. I think highly more than likely this will go down the same road. - Well, we'll see, right? And it begs the question. So if it was something conspiratorial and there are any kind of documentation out there about it, it seems Trump is like a three-to-one favorite. - Four-to-one, that's a four-to-one. - About an hour ago in my book. - If he does get elected, he's already mentioned like declassifying the JFK files and stuff like that. Now somebody's taking a shot at him. I feel pretty confident he will. - You know what I mean? - I do too because the American people want answers. They want answers now about this. They're gonna want answers about JFK now and then they're gonna want answers about the Secret Service. 'Cause as you guys mentioned, you're looking at four different presidents that there has been an attempt or an actual kill in an assassination. - And there's a deep state, whatever that phrase means to you, there's a deep state reason that the JFK files have not been released yet. Typically speaking, 15 years, security clearance drops, files get released. That has almost always been the case for almost everything in American history and not this. I am going to echo the words of Alex Jones, who is saying there are going to be more attempts on Trump. If they did try to pull this bullshit off and failed and now he's gonna get into power and be able to expose it, they have to take another shot. How can they not, right? - I agree. - It's a zero-sum game for this at this point. They either stop him however they can or they get exposed and they can't afford that, right? - Sadly, I agree and we'll switch over to the presidential race because he is at the RNC. He was there last night. He is visible and out in the open. Media coverage has changed, CNN has changed their tune, everybody's changed their tune. They bench MSNBC. The Democrats now know that they can't win as of two hours ago, Adam Schiff has now publicly called for Joe Biden to resign with everything that's going on. Does Joe Biden stay in this race anymore? Because to me, there appears to be no path to victory for Joe Biden and I don't know any other Democrat that there appears to be a path to victory in November that they replace him with. If you're Joe Biden though, you don't wanna take the loss. Do you step out now and sacrifice somebody to the wolves? What do you think, Tyler? Is he gonna be there in November? - I mean, look, here's the deal in the one. They're politicians. They don't care about us. You know, he doesn't care in public country, obviously. You know, he cares about, you know, his legacy and staying in office. Like, and again, his behavior, you know, since, and again, I'm not a Democrat, but when you have his, actually, I'm not even registered to vote. Like, I don't agree with politics. I think, honestly, that the whole thing is, it's how they get us to think we have a choice. You know, I do my own things to try and, I'm doing my own things that I think to help this country out. But you have a person like, you know, Joe Biden, who is literally simply just holding on to power, despite his own party wanting him to step down for the good of the party. Why isn't he? Well, simple, because it's not about the good of the party, no different than it's not about the good of the country. These people run, not for us, but for themselves. And I don't think he's, you know, he's also, I don't, if I'm being fair to Joe Biden right now, if he's that cognitively messed up, then you have to argue that he's so messed up that he actually can't really see the force for the trees and probably isn't making, even in the ability to make the right decision to step down. Does that make sense? - Yeah, I mean, it's at some point- - It would be up to Joe, right? - Yeah, I guess, or whomever's changing his diapers, you know what I mean? Like, you don't ask a three-year-old if it's bedtime, put it in a bed. - And then this is new from Axios Senate's majority leader Chuck Schumer and House minority leader, Hakeem Jeffries, collaborated to delay the process for formalizing President Joe Biden as the Democrats' nominee. - Delayed how long the DNC convention's not until August 19th. - It's a month away. - They're gonna wait longer than that. - What would be the advantage of that? - I have no idea. But I think the smart political move for the DNC would be to wait as long as possible and have Joe drop out, Kamala take the head of the ticket and let her get wiped the fuck out and the general election. So that ends her career and they don't have to deal with her bullshitting. - I agree. - That would be me, but I'm not a Democrat, right? - It's not my party, yeah. - Yeah, but I don't disagree with that. I would probably do that if I were them as well. And then they're gonna obviously probably try and push old Newsom up there for next step. - For 2018, yeah, for sure. - Yeah, apparently there's supposed to be a virtual roll call vote in July, according to sources familiar with the matter. Dozens of rank and file Democrats had signed on to a letter urging the DNC not to hold an early virtual roll call vote, but that effort was scrapped today. And then he came, Jeffrey is the organizer of the letter. How did the DNC's delay as a victory while we will continue to see how this evolves? What evolves? Joe himself or this is- - The assassination is gonna grow wings or something? Like what the fuck are we talking about? - Or is he saying that to delay it, to see what comes out of this assassination attempt? 'Cause there's no, we're not even close to scratching the surface of what happened. And one would imagine we're just gonna, it's just gonna be drip, drip, drip, all the way up to the election of things that are gonna come out about this, that are gonna stink. And they're gonna have to answer it. - I sincerely don't know. Like I don't know, it's been nothing but bad news for the Democrats for some time. To include Trump's trials getting pushed or sentencing getting pushed, to include this latest case with Jack Smith getting nixed entirely. - In Florida. Yeah, I mean that was- - The Chevron case, now this assassination attempt- - Fannie Willis got shifted yesterday. - Biden's debate performance and all this stuff. Like the epistemology that the democratic base was fed. The gaslighting that they were fed by the media and the politicians has crumbled entirely, right? And I don't know, like situations like this can create chaos, right? And it's not clear to me that anybody's actually in charge of the democratic party. I think what's likely happening is that there is no plan, that everybody's scrambling, no one knows what to do. And what happens is that chaos will be around for a minute and then there will be an extreme behind the scenes power struggle and maybe it makes its way into the media and we'll see how that plays out. But that's usually what happens. It's chaos, power struggle. - Or what was the plan? Take out Trump and then rally around this and then go through it. Now that it's not there, now that he moved, he's headed the last 10th of a second that he possibly could. Now the party's descended into chaos because oh shit, that didn't work, what are we doing? - I mean I don't think you would have read too many people in on that if that was the plan. But there is a lot of coke, there are a lot of Democrats that are not happy that he didn't get clipped frankly. - Oh yeah, yeah. - And to that point, I am not a believer in things, but that's fucking crazy, right? Like there's like, look, maybe we're in the multiverse and everything that's ever happened will happen. Maybe we're in a simulation, right? But Trump turning his head 30 degrees to one side and a bullet missing his medulla and his brain stem. - I still don't believe, but it's getting more difficult to not believe in something, to be honest. - Well, we are podcasting from a church, a former church here. - I am literally at this point where I'm at in my life at this point, dude, I'm in full simulation theory. I just, I don't see how that's not like what's happening. 'Cause it just, it's, it do the odds. And I think the gate, I think COVID is when the simulations, computers started running out of RAM and it just starts fucking, it just, now it's just like fucking out of new ideas and it's just crumbling because since COVID things have happened that I feel like we're in an alternate universe that weren't possible. - Well, we're in like the seventh season of Happy Days. - Yeah, Henry Winkler has jumped the shark. It was like, oh fuck, what's going on now? - The universe has jumped the shark but let me say something on this 'cause it's interesting is we're talking about, oh my God, I cannot believe the level of absolute, of incompetence with this tactical situation. But let's call out something that's happening right now and let me gonna, I'm gonna show you why theoretically, and I don't know for sure, but I'm saying theoretically, let me tell you why I think that level of incompetence is possible because it is happening right now within the democratic party. - Yeah. - Think about it. - Not just within the democratic party but with any institution across the country that's been captured by wokeness because it's fake, right? Like think of believing in the wokeness of the DEI, the CRT, all the, everything that it encompasses as building a house on quicksand. Eventually you're just gonna get gobbled up by it. It's not steady, right? It's not a steady epistemology. It's what happens when you build a foundation off of lies, half-proof, like it's gonna crumble at some point. And if you look at the problem with the democratic party right now, truly is, they've built everything on so many lies, half-truths, exaggerations, et cetera, that at some point it's all gonna start crumbling. But you have to look at this and go, dude, it's the democratic party, they're in power. How did they let this happen? And the fact that they let this happen, the fact that freaking, you know, we're however many months from the election and they are highly more than likely have a candidate right now who cannot win and half the party is divided against itself. The level of incompetence is mind-boggling. It's mind-boggling. And if you're in the democratic party and I said this to my democratic party friends when Hillary, when Bernie Sanders won and then they still went with Hillary, I was like, guy, you have to accept that your own party went against what it's people wanted and chose what they thought was best. That's not democracy, that's a dictatorship. And you can stay a Democrat, but you have to accept that your party is more about freaking being dictators from the party to its people rather than from its people to the party. - Yeah, and then today you have, this is the, Adam Schiff is the highest ranking official that I've seen, it's called for Biden to step down. - Yeah. - It's very, very bizarre and now we're roughly what, close to a hundred days before the election? - Something right around there, yeah. - Very, very strange. And then back to your sim world comments for us and on this show, I was watching the RNC last night and after the last speech, they played Higher by Creed. Over the loudspeakers as Trump was walking out of the building, that's when I knew we were in a sim world. Because let's fucking go, baby! Either that or we're back, we're back as America, you know? - It could have been Nickelback. Could have been Nickelback. - No, no, we couldn't do that, okay? Not on this show, friend. We're a Creed household over here. We are not divided. - I mean, it's just, I literally, we're living in a world where each day something happens that I'm kinda like, I don't. It's, we're so going against the obvious logic and we're so going against over an obvious reality that it's the system's gonna break and you can see it. It's straining right now and it's starting to come apart. And keep in mind, what was the book that Thomas Paine wrote that incited the American Revolution? It was literally called Common Sense, you know? And you're looking at a place right now in American society where really, we are absolutely actively going against Common Sense and over reality, like for somebody to sit there and tell you that, you know, the whole thing about the sexist, it has nothing to do, in my opinion, it has nothing to do with the sexist. What that is intended to do is to say, if you can question something as obvious in nature as that and if you can get people to question that, then that's my in control because at that point, what you're saying is that everything is perception and there is no objective reality outside of your own perception. That is the intent with that. - Yeah, you may remember this quote. In the end, the party would announce that two and two made five and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make the claim sooner or later. The logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, which is to say your personal experience, but the very existence of external reality at all was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was Common Sense and what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right for after all, how do we know that two and two makes for or that the force of gravity works so that the past is unchangeable. If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind and if the mind itself is controllable, what then? That's the final paragraph of 1984, right? Written coming up on what, 80 years ago now. - For sure what? - Yeah, so this is precisely what you're saying. If you can gaslight people enough that they don't even believe in their own reality, they don't trust what's in front of their eyes, that you, the state or whatever it is, become the ultimate arbiter of reality. And think about how dangerous that is. - They're actively trying to do it. Now here's something that people, I'm a technological nerd, like I watch something about technology every day. People don't realize what's coming and it scares the shit out of me. We are a couple years away from photos and video that are indistinguishable from reality. You wanna see it right now. But I mean, we're two years away from a video being done that a person will literally not be able to tell if it really happened or didn't. We're two years away from that. - And then it's gonna get a bit more fun, Tyler, you know? When that happens, people have to realize that they literally cannot trust, I'm already there. You cannot trust almost anything you see or hear at this point, if it is electronic, if it is not with your own eyes, you cannot take it at face value. And we as a country have to realize that we are very quickly approaching a point where they are going to absolutely be able to manipulate the very fabric of people's reality. They're already trying to do it and technology is going to allow them to do it. So we have to be aware of that right now. And it's just, it's dude, it's scary. It's unbelievably scary to me. - Yeah, strange times ahead, my friends. Now's the point in the show we get to the drinking bro of the week, which is someone who has inspired you or helps you become the person you are today. You've given this a couple times on the show. Who would you like to give it to now? - Oh, you asking me to get a ticket? - Oh, yeah, Tyler. I'm not asking Dan Christ, I see him every day. - I don't remember who I said last time. Well, let me think of somebody. - How about Seal Team? Since Seal Team came to an end, now looking back on the series, who is the one guy who you gained the most knowledge from? - I mean, that's debatable 'cause I learned a lot from a lot of people. - AJ Buckley? - AJ is awesome. - Justin Melnick. - I mean, what do you learn from AJ and Justin though how to drink more? - You know who I'm gonna shout out? I'm gonna shout out Max. I'm gonna shout out Max Karyod because Max is just the most down to earth, like super fucking talented, super freaking, you know, good looking, great shape. But he is an amazing father. He's an amazing husband. He's been with this high school sweetheart. And that guy, man, he freaking had an idea and he wrote his own pilot and sold his own show and now he's on "Fire Country," which is a show that he co-created. So from Max, I learned to believe in yourself and go after your dreams because I am not stay complacent. He could have stayed on the show and, you know, make an obviously amazing money and doing great things. But he was like, you know what? I'm gonna double down. I'm gonna believe in myself and I'm gonna try and take it to the next level and he did that. So Max. - You know, it's funny. We've had every single cast member, I believe, regular wise on the show, I think, except for Bory on us over the years. - Even some extras. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. And they've all said Max. It seemed like he was the glue for some reason. - Yeah, he just said that before too. - The first time AJ was on, I think he said his dad. - Yeah. - And the second time was Max. But all of you guys separately and behind the scenes have always said Max. What is it about that guy? - Dude, he's just a stud man. The guy is just like, he's just a great guy. He's just a great dude. And I'll tell you the thing about Max that I love the most about him is he's never trying to be anything other than who he is. He's just very comfortable with who he is. And he's just very down to earth. He'll go out of his way to take care of you. He's just, what he says is his word is his bond. You can do anything on a handshake with Max and you can best believe that he's gonna live up to that. And again, I don't think at this point where I'm at with what I think is a man, like a good man. Yeah, you can, people talk about different military units and all that. To me, what makes an amazing man is how good of a father they are and how good of a husband they are. That to me is what makes a great man is how they deal with their responsibilities and their commitments. And really, I think it's undervalued how important it is to be a good father. - Well, Tyler, we love you. We appreciate your time today. You're always welcome back anytime. And we look forward to the next chapter of your Hollywood career, my man. So come back anytime, all right? Have a good one, thanks for having me, guys. - Cheers, man. Go to iTunes, rate the show a five star and leave a quick review. Also, head on over to Spotify. It's just a five star and you can walk away. For "Dantheity" to Anthony Holloway, I'm Ross Patterson. This is the "Drinking Bros." podcast. Good night everyone. (rock music) (rock music) - Looking for a financial institution that has fewer fees, better rates, and gives back to the local community? 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