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Tre Hendrickson, three and a half sack, he's going to lead the league. I think for the second consecutive year in sacks. Now the Bengals need a Broncos loss and a Dolphins loss or tie and they make the playoffs. If the Broncos lose, if win, it does not matter what the Dolphins do. If the Dolphins win, it does not matter. So they got to sit back and pray now. They've done what they're supposed to do. - We ain't got to pray. We ain't got to pray. - You talk about hope. The first thing you said was, we have to hope. I'm going to tell you what's going to happen. God has favor. You know, he has favor on, he has favor on my Bengals. - If he had favor, y'all wouldn't be in this predicament. - Listen, the fact that, listen, it, listen. - I have to say it. - You got to understand, it's not supposed to be perfect. I told you what the perfect story in it for the NFL would be. And it's going to play out just like that. The Chiefs are going to beat the Broncos tomorrow. I'm going to listen to me. I'm going to tell you how the Chiefs are going to beat the Broncos tomorrow. - It doesn't matter what happened with Miami. It don't matter what happened with the Jets. - Yes, it does. If the Dolphins win, you still don't make the playoffs. - Hold on, hold on, hold on. - It does not matter. You see, see, that's what you talking. - Wait a minute. - If the Broncos lose and the Dolphins win, you are not going to the playoffs. - Let me finish. I ain't you, let me finish. The Dolphins are playing the Jets, correct? - Yes. - Aaron Rodgers is going to beat Aaron Rodgers tomorrow. We're going to see the old school Aaron Rodgers. - You're hoping? - See? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not hoping. I'm just saying the fact that he ain't played bad the past two weeks, he's not going to play it. He's not going. - What are the best numbers? - Hold on, hold on. - He's talking about the last two weeks. Put up Aaron Rodgers' number. - I'm going to let you go ahead and make it more. - Let me finish. - But I'm going to ask to put these numbers up. 'Cause you said he played bad the last two weeks. - Okay, okay. - We're going to pull up his staff for the last six weeks. - Okay, yeah. - Yeah, he's been a business. - No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - We haven't played good all season. But Lou, I don't know. Got them boys playing some good football right now. And this is a team that nobody wants to see in the playoffs right now, while we're peeking defensively, offensively, if once we, this is what I'm saying. Once we get into the playoffs, it's a wrap. It's curtains, I'm telling you that. And don't forget, we got a $1 bet on the game tomorrow. - Yes, we do. - Okay. - I just want to make sure. And anybody in the chat that don't believe in me, we haven't lost the game since I cried on here on nightcap, and I stopped being McDonald's. We ain't lost the game in five weeks. - But you didn't have no choice 'cause you lost the bet. You didn't stop eating McDonald's out of the kindness of your heart. - Right, but listen. I'm not going to stay. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it anymore. I'm not going to eat it anymore until the bangles, we're going to be in New Orleans. - Okay. - We're going to be in New Orleans. Let's go. Who they? Who they? Who ain't think they're going to beat them bangles? No body. It's so great. - All I'm saying is, after you're very, very comfortable, that's why I put $1,000 up, that the Broncos were going to win that game against Kansas City. I predicted this that when they won, when Kansas City went to Pittsburgh and won, on Christmas, that they were going to rest their starters. Patrick Mahomes, I think Patrick Mahomes, if they're going to probably rest, not an offensive line. I mean, some of the guys, you got to play some guys, 'cause you only got eight offensive linemen up. So for the most part, they've got to play. But all your key contributors, Mahomes is not going to play Travis. Kelsey's not going to play Chris Jones is going to make sure that calf is healthy. Big Duffy, a lot of your key guys, I wouldn't be surprised if like seven or eight starters are down. But like I said, you got to play, you got to play your offensive line because you only have eight of those guys anyway. Go ahead. - Can I tell you something? - Yes. - Carson Wentz was one starter from the Philadelphia Eagles. - Yes. - Carson Wentz knows how to win. Carson Wentz knows how to play good football. Andy Reed, as creative as he is, I'm sure we're going, I'm talking about Reed. I'm sure the Chiefs are going to be okay and have a competitive game against the Broncos. I love Bonix. I love Bonix. He's played very well all season long, but with the money on the line, what's that state, not only for the Chiefs, even though I know they had it by, I know they had it by, but they're not going to lay down. Andy Reed is not going to allow them boys to lay down. They're going to come through for us. Aaron Rodgers, as much as we said about you, I know you're going to see this as much as we said about you. Matter of fact, Aaron Rodgers probably watching. I need you to come through for me tomorrow. - Okay. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - I mean, I'm not going to say you say you're going to be the Aaron Rodgers at home. - Huh? - You're saying it's going to be the Aaron Rodgers at home. - Listen, you know how we see Aaron Rodgers at home in spurts, in spurts, in spurts. - Yes. - We're going to get one of them spurts tomorrow. We're going to get one of them spurts tomorrow. I'd get me to you. When we saw Aaron Rodgers play against the goddamn jackwalls and goddamn Devonta Adams head, goddamn nine, but 198 or 189, some like that, that's what it's going to look like tomorrow. I'd guarantee that. - Give me one, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. They're one in seven and they're last, they're one in seven and they're last eight games. Arizona, they lost 31 to six. He had 151 yards, gets Andy. He had 184 yards of the loss. Seattle, he had 185 yards and a loss. Miami, he did have 339. - Whoa, whoa. - But it was in a loss. - Whoa, whoa. - Jacksonville, they won that game. The Raiders, they lost. - Last week against Buffalo, he had 112 and a loss. - Bingo. - I mean, the ramp, the ramp, the ramp, they lost against the ramp, I said the Raiders, the ramp. - Listen, listen, understand how the game of football goes. Understand how to get, you see how the numbers that keep going up, then they go down, then they go up, then they go down. What did he have when he played the Dolphins the first time? - They lost it over time, 339. - Ah, he had 339. So what do you think is gonna happen this week? What do you think, just the way the game flows and your understanding of the game of football, what do you think will happen? - But you know what I noticed? - What? - In the game that he played really well, the temperature was like 80 degrees, both were in Florida. One was in Jacksonville, one was in Miami. Can you tell the people at home, what was the weather like in Seattle? What was the weather like in Buffalo last week? - Cole. - Oh. - Can I ask you a question? - What was the weather like in Seattle? - Oh, he was rain. - Oh, what was the weather like in Indi? - Was it indoor? - Indi, no, he was in New York. Indi beat him. - Okay, okay. Show, tell the people at home what do other like. - It was a little windy. It was a little cold. - What do you think the weather's gonna be like tomorrow? - It's gonna be cold. Can I tell you something? - Yeah. - Aaron Rodgers played in Green Baker. You know what it is in Green Bay in December? - Yeah. - It's cold. - Mm-hmm. - It's cold. He gonna be, he gonna be all right. - The Aaron Rodgers that you saw in Green Bay, when did you happen to see him show up in New York? - And look like that, we see him as first. We see him in small flows. You know, oh shit, that's why we signed him. And then it goes away. Oh shit, I'm sorry, I got a seven down. Beth, I just didn't listen to me. He's used to playing in the cold weather. So we can't use the weather as a reading because he was phenomenal in Green Bay for years in the cold. - As you get older and older, you get less tolerance. That's why a lot of people, as they get older, when do they move, Ocho? They move to Florida. They move to Arizona. They move to California. Even though they've lived their entire life in the cold, you build up a less tolerance for the cold as you start the age. - Okay. - Even the athletes do. - Okay, I have a question. Since you feeling so good about the dolphins when tomorrow, let's make another bet. Make another bet. - I don't care about the dolphins. Definitely my team. - Okay. - I pull for my team. - 'Cause you can be. - I pull for my team. - Okay. - The Ravens and the Broncos. - Okay, listen. I'm gonna tell you one more time. I'm telling you again now, when we on the show tomorrow, don't say, "Oh, you was right. I know how did you know the wrong player." I'm telling you how it's gonna go. The Chiefs are going to beat the Broncos, and the Jets are going to upset the dolphins, even though the dolphin is my team. I'm from Miami, born and raised, out of Dane County from Liberty City. I'm telling you how. - I feel good about it. I feel good. I feel good about my team. - No, you don't. - They know what's at stake. - You don't. - No, but let's get into this game. - Come on. - I love football gods. - Yeah. - I love 'em. - Come on. - And I love when they punish bad behavior. They punish George Pickens tonight. - Yeah. - And I love it. - Yes, sir. - And I've been telling you from day one, I say, "You know what, Mike Tomlin? You condone George Pickens behavior. You tolerate things in the wind. You never would in a loss." - Yes, sir. - And I told you, I saw this with AB in 2016. Now you see this? Now I come with Pickens. It come with Deonté Johnson. Mike Tomlin will tolerate negative behavior if he wins the game. Now look at how you look at it. George Pickens basically lost him the game tonight 'cause he was awful. He was awful, Ocho. - Yeah. - And you think you don't it? Oh, he can make plays. - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. - Hey, when you, hey, I'll let you talk about your team depending on their Rogers. - Okay. - Let me have this moment. - Okay, okay. - You have been George Pickens' biggest supporter. Even when he wouldn't run, even when he wouldn't recover the fumble, you supported him. Even when he, he was the reason that the interception happened in Pittsburgh to fire move. You supported him. Now I want you to put on, yes, chat. Now I want you to put on your best support and support George Pickens for the game that he had tonight. - I can't support him. Yeah, he had a bad game. He had a bad game. And you know what I can say? He had a bad game. He has to watch that film. He has to have a better understanding and you can't perform like this. Obviously they're the fifth seed, right? They're the fifth seed. - The conversation. - If the Broncos win, the Broncos will be the fifth, right? We finna, we finna, we finna get it. - Okay, but anyway, anyway, back. I know George is gonna see the pick, but you can't play like that, why? You can't play like that. You can't have those type of games. - You can't have those. - Oh, okay. If the charges win, they're the sixth seed. The charges will be the fifth seed. - Okay, okay. - So the Broncos can only be the seventh seed, right? So the Broncos, Dolphins, or Bengals can only be the seventh seed. The only thing that can flip would be the charges. If they win, they're the five, Steelers are the sixth, and then you get Bengals, Dolphins, and Broncos as the seventh seed. - Okay, for the sake of the conversation, we already know what's gonna happen. Bangles are gonna be the seventh seed. But again, let go back to George Pickens. Pick you can't have a game like that. You can't, you can't. If anything, you need to be the reason why your team is winning. They have to count on you. You are the team's best officer weapon. Therefore, you got to always be on point. Your feet always got to be ten total. Every time you step on a field, you have to understand that. You have to move as such and understand how valuable you are to the got to, almost cursed again, how valuable you are to the Steelers. You have to, that also comes with the world. Or that also comes with understanding on how important I am to the not only the franchise, but my team success offensively. He got to understand that. - Oh, so when is he gonna understand that? Because you saw that behavior last year in Cincinnati? - Yes, sir. - You saw it in Andy last year when he wasn't changed? - Yes, sir. - When he went in the hustle, he gave him up on the plane. They got me. - Yes, sir. - Me, me personally. - Yeah. - I don't believe you can win with him. I want somebody else to win. I want him to grow with somebody else. - Okay, I understand what you're talking about, right? I understand what you're talking about, but let's not, let's not, let's not mistake and understand the title of the title that that is. - Yeah. - Let's not make the title. - Well, I don't see Randy Moss talent. I don't see Randy Moss talent, so I got to let him go. - I ain't no, so I ain't no Randy Moss talent coming through that door. - Okay, well, I got to let him go. - He's going to want to tell our own no team right now. - I got to let him go then. So because, because that behavior, his play don't overcompensate his behavior. - Right. - I understand. - And I understand, is he more talented than AB? - Oh, no. - So what did they do to AB, Ocho? You tell the people that, for the people that don't realize what happened, what did Pittsburgh do with AB? - They had to paw away, don't they? - They will tolerate, listen, Chad, I want you to understand. And when Ocho and I, we talk, we talk a lot of stuff about sports, but this applies to regular life and a regular job situation also. Your employer will tolerate you until he can replace you. - Yes, sir. - Yes, sir. - They will tolerate until they can replace. Now, let me tell you what happens if you're a really good player and you got negative behavior. When that time come, it makes it real easy for them to get off you. - Yes, sir. - You see how easy it was for the Packers to get rid of Aaron Rodgers? - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. - What? - Wait, wait, how many years? How many years first now? How many years? - See, you see, I told, what did I, but you, you missed the court. - I'm not supporting you until they can do what? - I'm not supporting, I'm not supporting. I'm telling you how long it takes. - No, no, no, but they got rid of him once, they tolerated that behavior until they can do what, Ocho. - Get rid of him. - Now, what are the Jets gonna do? What you, now, if you had to put some money down, build the Jets, keep him or let him go. - Ooh, hey, you know what, that's, you know what, I'm glad you said that, huh? Listen to me, listen to me real quick, stay with me. You understand how difficult it is to find a quarterback. Now, as bad as he's played this year, who do you think they'd rather gamble with? You think they'd rather gamble with somebody that is new? We don't know what you get it? Or someone that has a resume, that of Aaron Rodgers. What do you think? - What's that resume got him this year? He got that resume, what's it got him? - Nothing, nothing, but it's that resume that has him in the position to be able to be here. - Do you believe, do you believe they can find another quarterback and go four and 11? Yes or no? - Yes, sir. - So why keep Aaron Rodgers and pay him 50 million when you can give somebody else and pay him 10, 15, maybe even 20 or even 30. So what's the upside of keeping Aaron Rodgers? First of all, Ocho, he hadn't won the Super Bowl in 14 years. Now do you believe in year 21? - Right, that there's a chance he could do it. Not, not flat though, but I know what he does. I'm thinking like a GM, thinking like an owner, their belief is based on what he has done is you know what, he gives a chance. There's hope, despite the year he had. - Ocho, I honestly don't. - Not speaking for me, I'm speaking as an owner or a GM would think. - I don't believe, I don't believe GM feels that same way anymore. - No, you don't think so? - I don't. - Okay. - I don't. - Okay. I have a question. Let me ask you- - Yes, sir. - Kurt Cousins, everybody feels Kurt Cousins' work. You know, you can go get three, a hundred, whatever million from goddamn Atlanta Falcons, but he won one playoff game. But Super Bowl champion Air Rodger, full-time MVP Air Rodger. Oh, we don't make it, man, listen. Understand what it is to find a quarterback that can get the job done. We look at the passion of the home, the Josh Allen, the Joe Burles and the Marjaxons, the Jordan loves, the C-day Strauss, Jane Daniels playing well this year. It's very hard to get a final quarterback where you know, once we get somebody in that position at the helm, we can build around that. Sometimes it's so hard to find, you got to go with someone old, someone that's done it before. Even if they, even if they, you got to take him out to the passion, it's time for him to just go. He gives us hope. - I could see that, old Joe, if he was a locker room presence. We all have experience praying extra fees, like the one time I had a layover in Salt Lake City, they canceled my flight, and I had to buy another plane ticket just to make it home. When we're trying to make progress, life's curve balls often feel like taking one step forward and two steps back. 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This is not an accident. - Yeah, especially this, you didn't hear all this stuff. Oh, Joe, you did not hear all this dysfunction with the locker room and with the Jets last year with Zach Wilson and some of the other pieces that they had in place. - Mm-hmm. Honestly, listen, not gonna bring up the pass, but Zach Wilson had a better record, you know, last year. - Yes! - I felt they shouldn't have moved on from Zach Wilson. I was the one on the soapbox for Zach. - What, was he seeing what you just did? You said Aaron Rodgers resume. - Oh, yeah. - You feel that relevant? - That is why they moved on from Zach Wilson based on what Aaron Rodgers has done in the past. That's the reason why he was there in the next place. They gave Aaron Rodgers the keys to the entire organization once he got there. How do you think Devante Adams even get there? How do you think Lazar was able to get there? - If I'm Devante, I'm doing falling Aaron Rodgers around. I'm good. And so wherever he go, I'm going to opposite. If he go north, I'm going south. If he goes east, I'm going west. - Right. - I'm done with that. - Right. - I'm done with that. - Unless, let's have a great understanding on why he did decide to come based on what they were able to do together. The chemistry that they had. - I mean, if you want to get that, do well. - If you want to get stats, but he said he wanted to be somewhere where he can win. That's what he's saying, that those are his words. - Right. - Now, do you want stats? You want a thousand yard season? You want to potentially go to the Pro Bowl? - Right. - Or do you want to win? Because you've done all that. You've been a multiple time Pro Bowl player. You've got over 100 touchdowns in your career. But the one thing that you haven't done is one, a Super Bowl. I would like to thank Devante Adams, a guy of his credential. - Right. - That's going to look really good on his resume, Super Bowl. - Right. - Because now, he's looking at, okay, I got to try to get, because here's the thing. Now, there's going to be a lot of guys with a thousand catches. - Right. - There's going to be a lot of guys with a thousand catches on too, because you know, we got the extra game now. And they throw the ball a lot more than they originally did. Well, so now it's 1,200 catches. It used to be, oh, Joe, you got a thousand catches. Oh, man, you would slam dunk. - Oh, yeah, most definitely. - And so that's what I think, oh, Joe, I think the thing is, it all depends on what Devante is looking for. Obviously, he's going to want to get a nice compensation. - Right. - I don't see Devante playing for $5 million. He's going to want big money. - Right. - But if I'm going to get, I want to go somewhere that I could win. There's somebody that, and you're going to have to weigh the option. You got to look at the quarterback, how many opportunities I'm going to get now. - I can tell you the best opportunity for him. DeAndre Hawkins on the one-year deal in Canyon City, right? - Yes. - Okay. So I'm assuming I'm thinking maybe in the off season, maybe that might be a great move, but a great move for Devante Adam. I think Patrick Mahoney wouldn't have no problem having one of the best route runners in the NFL. Still, he doesn't obviously get the notoriety he does. He should, but he can see he's a great route runner. - Oh, he's still technical. - Oh, you still sound. - Yes. - Very, very, very sound. And I think he would be a great addition to the cheese offense. You know, but Xavier worthy. And I think Hollywood Brown, I'm not sure of Hollywood Brown is on a one or two-year or three-year deal, whatever it may be. - He's a free agent. I think he's on a one-year deal too. - Oh, see, that, listen, it all will probably, it will all work itself out. Wherever Devante Adams goes, he will be a great addition, for that offense. - Oh, absolutely. - It is, but- - I just think the thing is, I think this game should force George Pickens to evaluate himself. - Yes, sir. - Yes, sir. - Oh, Joe, he had a great ball in the sidelines, and he dropped it. - Yes, sir. - That was big. That was huge. He had, I mean, he dropped everything. Oh, Joe, no, I understand. But those balls was in his hands and he dropped. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - And he's a guy. You know what I mean with Joe, he's a guy that when he goes into a funk, he can't pull himself out. You know why? He's not strong enough up here yet. - Yeah. - You gotta have that DB mentality. I mean, you get beat on, you gotta have that DB mentality. You get beat, okay, next play. You gotta forget about it. And most of the time that's very difficult to do because I struggle with it too. As a receiver, I could be honest with Joe. I could talk to you, you know, 'cause we family. - Yeah. - When I was young, we talk about year one, year two, while I drop a ball, I feel down on myself. Now I'm gonna do a down on myself. The next ball that comes, it beat me up real bad. It beat me up real bad. So most of the time, early in my career, when I would drop a ball, I would tell Carson the jacket, or I would tell Kitna Axie, what even Carson did? I would tell Kitna, check it, I don't wanna route, I don't wanna run a route, I don't feel comfortable yet. Throw me a smoke real quick. Throw me a scream real quick. Let me touch it again. Let me see it all the way in. So it built my confidence back up. But until I get that confidence back up, getting the ball and touching it again, tugging it away, then I don't feel right now. So I understand what Pickett's going through, but a performance like tonight can not be had from a play of your caliber as important as you are to that guy. - In a game like this. - You can't, you can't. So you know what, it's a good thing. Get it out your system now. Get it out your system now, because come next week, when it counts, when it counts, and they got to count on you, you got to come through for them. You got to come through for them. - I look at them, oh Joe, they go and they're gonna either get, they're gonna either get ball or two more. - Ooh. - If they're the five, if they're the five, see here's the thing now, I'm really trying to be the five seed. The charge is like, we're gonna win this game because we get the four seeds, which is the Houston Texans. - Right. - They struggling. - Yeah. - They're quarterbacking down some confidence. They're not playing particularly well on either side of the ball. - Right. - Oh, I like that matchup. - Yeah. - You go slide to the six seed, you got the Ravens. You remember what the Ravens did to Pittsburgh last game? - That's ugly. - It's gonna be a, it'll be, it'll be, the Ravens are really clicking. - Right. - The defense is starting to play better. Lamar's Lamar, he had another outstanding game. - Again. - Oh Joe, you see? Oh, oh man, man Derek, everyone getting nothing. You see the difference? - Oh yeah. - In the first half, you gave him the ball, he had what three four yards? - Yes. - In the second half, he take the game completely over. - Completely over. - That's all you got to do. Running the football is about a mentality sense. It doesn't matter. People think you're supposed to get 15 yards. The character. Oh Joe, when you run the football, it's a lot of one and two, maybe no yards, three yards, four yards. And what do you do? Boom, 25 yards, boom, 18 yards, boom, 43 yards. - That's how it works. - The funny thing about it when you have a back like Derek Henry, is you're gonna have some, one, some tools. - Yes. - When you get somebody to their size, continue to weigh on the defense side of the ball. At some point, players start to come up and make that business decision. The whole world starts to open up a little bit wider in that third and fourth quarter, you know? It's different. So it's like chopping wood, chopping wood continuously. It continues, it starts to crack more and more and more. - Yes. - At some point, it opens right up. And every time they get their Henry, 18 more carries in the game, they've won every game where you just carry the ball more than 18 times. Every game. Every time. And it's really not that complicated. And then he opens it up on Lamar. Lamar opens it up for him. And the game becomes so easy for them when they run the ball, 'cause they're gonna run it out there. They got what they average, 220 had 225 today. Henry goes over 1900. Hey, hey Baltimore, you see what they did? The game was already out of hand. Well, five minutes left, they put Derek Henry back in the game. You see, oh Joe, did you see what they did? - Oh yeah. They make it seem like it's mutually exclusive. Well, if he breaks the record, we can't win the Super Bowl. Well, if he doesn't win, if he doesn't get the record, we can win the Super Bowl. They're not mutually exclusive. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I just, like I said, I don't get it. And I hope because now they got the win the Super Bowl. And then I win the Super Bowl and I'm like, bro, y'all did all that for what? Y'all denied the man an opportunity at the record to do what? - Yeah. - So you, so I thank you. So you feel the same way about Seqwon too then. And I feel. - Oh, yeah, I was, we talked about the hell, yeah. - Thank you. Like he will never get this opportunity again. The chance of having back to back 2,000 y'all seasons are like, it's slim and done. It's very difficult to do. And then people, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get signed in there. I'm a hot, I'm hot into my, oh, we trying to mitigate the risk of injury. We didn't play 16 weeks of football. Now all of a sudden we get to week 17. Now all of a sudden, what are we talking about? This is football. You play the game. You play at the win. Sometimes as an individual, you have a chance to break records and submit your name in history. Like why would you take that away from him? Because, oh, we don't want him to get hurt. What are we talking about? They're the chance, no, at any time you step on the field. - It absolutely is. George Pickett and Russell Wilson was not on the same page. Pickett's deny Ocho against the Bengals. One of the worst secondaries in the NFL. He had six targets, three drops, one catch, zero yards. Earlier in the week, Pickett was asked about not being on the same page as Russell Wilson during the cheese game. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. - It seems like you and Ross weren't on the same page and that interception against the Chiefs. How does that happen? What do you guys do to address it? - He said me and Russell Wilson on the same page. - Yeah, well, that's what he said. - That's what he said? - Yeah. - That's what he said. - That's what he said. - Okay. - I know. How do you just address that? - Thank you. - All right, thanks guys. - That's Var. - It wasn't, it wasn't on the same page. - Yeah, yeah. - He quit Ocho, Ocho. Russ tried to protect it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Everybody saw, he quit on the route. - Mm-hmm. - Russ did him a solid. - Yeah. - We weren't on the same page. - That's me. Were they innocent? - All done. - My own Christmas. - Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Remember? - Yeah. - McDuffie was on him. - Yeah, I remember. - He was covered too. - He fell off. - He was about to buy it. - Did he quit? - Yes. - He fell off him as a threat. - Yeah. - Russ protected it, saying we just weren't on the same page. - Right. - With actuality, everybody that saw it, when they showed the all 22 of it, he actually quit on the route. - Right. - Which for, which just to read, which is playing cover two to that side, there is no reason to get wide, because there's no threat. - Right. - So now with no threat, now I can pay attention to the hash, to the middle of the field. Now I see fried moves that got the backer beat. Oh, let me just go ahead and take this off. Yeah, yeah, bro. - Right. - Right. - That's back to back in weeks too. So he got that. - No accountability. - You can get that. - No. - Russ gonna talk to. Matter of fact, Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin don't even need to say nothing. You know if they have a conversation with you? You quarterback. You quarterback gotta be the one to pull you to side and talk to you. Boy, I need you. I need you. I need you to do everything. - Mike Tomlin is the problem. - Mike Tomlin accept things and wins. He wasn't in the loss. Why would he be upset now? You don't upset when he's talking with him. He'll be born driving half the time when they win. Go back. Chad, I want y'all to watch the tape. Watch, watch when he, you know why it's hard to get on the same page? Because he doesn't bust his ass on every route. That's why the quarterback can't get on the same page with your own job, because half the time you bull jiving. Let's call it what it is, own joke. That's why the quarterback can't get on the same page with George Pickett, because George Pickett is lazy. He lagging gags in his route, especially if he's not getting the ball. If he ain't getting the ball, George Pickett's giving you his butt two kids. Watch it, watch the tape. That's why quarterback can't get on the same page, because I don't know what speed he's going to run at, run at. That's why they take, what do you do on your own practice? You run the route like you would in the game, so it times up when it comes to game. - Yeah. - Ta-da! It's not, it's listen. Guys, I'm not telling you anything, earth shattering. Ocho and I know how you're supposed to do certain things. And A, and the coaches would get on us. So let me ask you a question. How do you think that's going to time up in the game if you bull jabbing in practice, considering the game is absolutely faster. - Way faster. - That's why you bust your butt, knowing things are going to even speed up. So if you bull jabbing in the quarterback goes one, two, three, and you bull jabbing, now he got to jack the ball up. Okay, he goes one, two, three, four, five. He's looking to throw the ball. But because you didn't bust your butt in practice, he has no time. Now you want to bust your butt in the game. Nice timing is all. - Yeah. - You see? That's why you practice, Ocho. So you understand the quarterback get a feel of where the lineman's going to be, the lineman gets a feel of where the quarterback's going to be. I get a feel of the timing of the quarterback, the one, two, three, so forth and so on. I get bumped, okay, I can't get the 12. I got to cut this thing down. You got a good jab on me. Let me take this thing down to team it. So it times up, you're not going to be able to give them the same thing with George Pickett's cause George Pickett's bull jives in his rounds. - You know what I like too long? As you say about it, about how fast the game is and something that I learned and understood making me by the time I got the year three, where Carson and I, we had such a, we had jail so well and had such great chemistry and my crazy butt was always full speed in practice when the way I practiced, when I got the year three, in the game, you know how you just said, the game is much faster. It got to a point to me where the game was slow. The game was slow and wasn't really moving slow, but the way everything registered to me, it was registered to be slow. Like I was moving like a little bit faster than the game itself. I don't know if I'm saying it the right way for the people in the chat to get it like a-- - Well, the game slowed down because you understood the game better. - There we go, okay, that's the-- - You weren't. - There was no longer, am I doing the right thing? - Ah. - And like the right deal. Now, you can close your eyes and run that speed out 10, roll the 12, like it's nothing. You can run that bang like it ain't nothing. - Yeah, that's seven, that's seven, that's seven step. - That glaze, man, the ball right there, every time. - I don't need a, I don't need nothing. All I can close my eyes, back, hey, whatever side I'm on the back, look back and I'm gonna go one, two, three, four, five, six, seven what I do this, that ball right there. - Already gone. - I know that, that's what they say when the game slows down. Now you're no longer guessing, man, the quarterback said the game, man, I wonder what defense they're in. I wonder what I'm supposed to do with the ball. You already know, oh, they're gonna give us this defense on first down. Now, here's the, okay, this is what they do, but here's the counter to this what they do. Now it slows down, the game didn't really slow, you just know, you just, you slowed the game down. - Yeah, yeah. - Because you know what to do, where to be and how to get there. - And the great thing about it and I can't wait to pick and get to this part and understanding the fast you play in practice, the slower the game becomes in the time on Sundays. And then not only that, when the defenses come out of the huddle, you already come out of the huddle with a plan, but one plan based on the play that's called then you also have a plan based on what you see in front of you. So you understand, even with the skiders and the safety's playing around and the mic doing all that stuff, whatever Russell was in points at, you already know plan A and you know plan B based on what's in front of you. And when that allows you to play fast and you can think freely. - Yes, you don't have to guess because I gotta run my ride off his alignment, Ocho. I understand that if I gotta get outside and he's outside, I gotta do something to make him think I'm going inside to get him inside. - Yeah. - And if I'm going inside, I've got to do something outside to make him think I'm going outside 'cause I've got to get in there. I've got the quarterback trust me 'cause he's gonna throw that ball, he's gonna throw that ball on time. And it's got to be a complete or it's got to be incomplete. I can't, I can't fool it. And that's why I can't like, I'm supposed to go inside and then all of a sudden I'm gonna throw it, bro. - And then also, you got that kind of time. - I mean, you got to think, even if the ball ain't for you, even if you, whatever your assignment is, - You got to bust your butt. - You got to go outside. Maybe it's to open somebody else up. - Thank you. - In that corner with his back turned, they're giving him a flip. So if somebody has come from the other side, maybe a shallow or something, maybe the tight end, you got your other people. So when you understand the offense and its totality, then you don't get what happened last week. - You don't, Ocho, you know when you run cover two, you not getting the ball. We trying to get somebody down the hole. - Yeah. - That's what we trying to do. - Yeah. - We trying to do as wide as we can, because we want that guy, he's isolated one-on-one with the linebacker, and we don't want it to be a 20-yard completion and a sink to make the plate. We want him to be a 40-yard touchdown. - Yes, sir. - So I'm a bust my butt because guess what? I've asked Rod, I've asked Ed to bust my butt. So when they come to Z shallow, they come to X-Biz, I've got to clear it because this is my opportunity to repay them for the service that they provided for me to get down the hole. For me to run the basic cross, or me to run Tiger Farm Cross. That's the way it works. Pickens got to understand, just because you're not getting the ball, that's not your chance to bull-drive. - Right, I think he has to understand it. I think he has to understand it. I think no one has explained it to him that way as opposed to, you know what? Every time, every time you out there, when the offense is run, sometimes the ball ain't coming to you, but sometimes when you do have, it might be to open somebody else up, like it was last week. - Right. - But it's gonna come. It's gonna come. You got to get it together. And you got to get it together now. - It's attitude, though. - Yeah, you got to get it back. - That attitude, Ocho? - Yeah. - Ocho. - And they got to be listening. Listen, I haven't had a chance to talk to him. If I get his number off, I talk to him. Listen, I talk to him, I tell you, listen. Well, you only get so many opportunities, baby. And you're such a special talent. You can't let it go to waste. And you're in the right place, too. - You were in the right place. You don't want to go nowhere else. 'Cause you go somewhere else. Boy, the grass ain't always green on the other side, huh? Boy, it is not green on the other side. - They're not gonna tolerate said behavior like the Steelers are. Because, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? 'Cause you know, when you home, your parents would tolerate things. And when you go like, who told, where did you learn that? But if you notice Ocho, there's a real current theme with Steelers receivers, you see, I mean, what is it? I don't know what, I don't think there were any overlap between Pickett and A.B. I don't think there was any overlap between Deontay Johnson, with Deontay Johnson and Pickett within that locker room together and look at their behavior. It's identical. You see what happens when you don't have culture, when you don't have someone to hold people accountable? See? Now you need a veteran presence in the locker room. You say, that's not the way we do things. - Well, you got one, huh? You got one in quarterback. That's a veteran presence. That's a football champion. - Ocho, he just got there. - Well, I know what you mean. But still, they have an end goal in mind. They have an end goal in mind. Russell Wilson understands what it takes to get people to go, out there in the wall. So if there's somebody to talk to him, not to coach, not to coach the one who's throwing you the ball. Russ got to pull him aside. And I'm sure, done it already. We had a man last year. What about your guy, C.C.? Chase Claypool. I mean, I just want to know, how many bad receivers, before, coaches say, one or two things, Ocho, either you coach that behavior or you condone that behavior. There's no other way around it. You coach it or you condone it. - Yes, sir. - So what's going on in Pittsburgh? Are they coaching it or are they condoning it? - Right. I mean, listen, I'm not condoning it. I just say there's a way to-- - Sir, I'm asking what are they doing in Pittsburgh? - Oh, okay, okay. I'll see what you mean. I'll see what you mean. I'll see what you mean. - No, I understand. I understand, like, Plex, Plex wanted his money. Stealers didn't want to pay no money. He went elsewhere. - Right. - But San Antonio Holmes was Super Bowl MVP. - Chase Claypool, Chase Claypool, AB. You got Pickens. You got Deontay Johnson. - Right. - I just want to know, Ocho. You got, I mean, hello, a lot of these guys from Florida. - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. I don't do that, don't do that, don't do that. 'Cause, hey, listen, I'm from Florida. I ain't had no problems. - I'm just saying, I just wanna know, and then Fry Ooh, Lord. - Fry Ooh. - If Fry Ooh catches that pass, he might hit his head on the goal post, Ocho. - Yeah. - I'm glad-- - I don't know, I don't know if he got that kind of speed. - Yeah. - He might wanna give himself, no, seriously. He might wanna give himself up. - Right. - But then got no time. - You save time. - Hold on, hold on, let me take the breaks of love. - What happened? - Russ, what are you doing? Get your ass out of bounds. That's two times, you've done that. The yard is just not important at this point in time. - Right. - The clock is. Russ is too better of an effing quarterback to keep making these mistakes and cost him against the Baltimore Ravens. He trying to, not all of a sudden, he Josh Allen, he gonna run a damn Newton. He gonna run somebody over with his small ass. Slide your ass down. In this situation, get your ass out of bounds. Yardage, three yards is not important, is not more important than 15 seconds. - Right. - I don't get it. It's like all of a sudden, he's got big Ocho. It's like the moment, the moment got too big for me, he forgot, tell me what you thought was Ocho. Tell me, you got one time out. Why would you not go out of bounds and save that time out as important to get in three yards and gotta burn it? - Mm-hmm. But listen, I'm glad it went that way 'cause I ain't showing one of saloons. So I'm, you got to have better clock management. Better understand the other situation that you're in. - It's called situation of football. - Oh yeah, yeah. - And the really good ones, they understand. - Oh yeah, big time. - Plus it's too veteran. - 15, 15, that name can't have seen it. There's a reason you get paid 500 million, huh? There's a reason. - Oh, isn't that delicious? - So good. - Your bill, ladies? - I got it. No, I got it. (laughing) - Seriously, I insist, I insist it first. - Don't be silly, you don't be silly. - People with the Wells Fargo Active Cash Credit Card prefer to pay because they earn unlimited 2% cash back on purchases. - Okay, rock paper scissors for it. - Rock paper scissors shoot. - No! - The Wells Fargo Active Cash Credit Card. 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And then have him have that attitude. Have good, good, a good attitude. Because whatever the case, because we saw what happened in Minnesota, we ran it. They wanted to move on. He goes to the Raiders. He didn't feel appreciated. They wouldn't give him the opportunity. And then, you know, he goes to New England and we see what happened. He would have the Raiders like, bro, why couldn't we get that? Hey, listen, that's why you have to be cautious. That's why you have to be cautious, you know, and have a little grace and a little leeway for players like that, of that caliber, that are special. George Pickens ain't no regular receiver. He ain't just no body. But here's the thing, the Ocho, Ocho. He's a special talent, huh? We didn't speak. Eventually, that behavior's gonna rear its head. And it rear its head in New England, didn't it? Because guess what? And the one guy that wasn't gonna put up with that behavior is you, you're playing for the guy. So what's the guy named that's not gonna put up with that behavior? No matter how great you are, what's his name, Ocho? Do you have a brother, sir? You know what, when I think about that situation, like when I go back to it and think about it, remember, like, he didn't really do nothing. He just said, oh, my money. No, you were more toward than that, Ocho. You were more toward than that. It was? Yeah. Okay. And you probably know it's totally better. Okay. And then they traded the Tennessee. Okay, he goes to Tennessee, then what happened? Different offense, too, boy. Ocho, you see? Now, in Minnesota, Oakland, New England, Tennessee, Minnesota again, five teams. Remember 49ers? We keep blaming the team, huh? Remember 49ers, remember to play with the team? The 49ers were the last stop. They went there, they went to the Super Bowl and then he hung it up after that. Yeah. I just don't get it, Ocho. It's because the thing is, is that you can steal a year. If you're a great player, they'll allow you to steal a year. If you got, you can steal a few. See, see now you're cooking. Now you're cooking. And you can steal a few, especially if you ain't no problem. Shh. See, see now you cooking with Crisco. See, before you was cooking with Pam, you was like, "Lifeite" 'cause you ain't what, you ain't what clogged your artery. Yeah. Now you got Crisco, you got to burn the house down. Oh, yeah. You know exactly what I'm talking about. They won't allow you to steal a couple of years. Would a good attitude? Yeah. Yeah. All right, Ocho. Let's go to Pittsburgh and end of the season, regular season on four consecutive losses. How hard is it as a team to turn a slide around once you get to the playoffs? Oh, that's a good one. So that's four game, four or five games lost in a row. Four? They lost four consecutive goals. Yeah, that's four in a row. I mean, and what are you, I'm trying to think. I mean, what can you do outside a play better offensive? Because the reason they haven't played well is because the offense has been abysmal to pass forward. Put 'em on 'em, yeah. They've been bad as opposed to how they look before. They look really good. I'm not sure what's going on with Arthur Smith and the play calling or Russ and his ability to facilitate the ball to the receivers. I don't know what it is, huh? I honestly, I can't tell you. I just know from an often the standpoint, they've been able to run it okay, but the pass of game hasn't been what it should be. And then- Oh, Joe, the receivers. I don't know what I'm gonna get. First of all, you remember pick mystery games? Yeah. But when it's in, oh, Joe, oh, Joe, I mean, if he's supposed to rotate him, I don't know 'cause I don't know 'cause I don't know 'cause you know that on that speed out with that 10 row to 12. Yeah. Oh, Joe, that thing got it. You got to throw it on time. Yeah, everything. Ain't no, ain't no, I'm a way till he get, I'm a way to this fake college. In the NFL, different between NFL and college, in NFL, you throw people open. In college, you can wait 'til they get open. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. These guys are too good. They study too much feel. And you throw a ball, wait until he get open in the NFL. Go on the other way and pick it. It's going the other way. I'm just gonna say, I'm gonna pick it. It's really that simple. And it's hard, I think we lost solo. We lost three or four, we lost to Pittsburgh. But we lose two, lost to Sam Fran, we lost to Pittsburgh, Sam Fran. We lost three or four. But we won, we lost three games. Then we won the final game of the season against Seattle. And then we had a home game. 'Cause back then, we were the, I don't know what we were. I think there's only three divisions back then. But anyway, we had a home game. We got one home game. And then we had to go on the road. We had to go to Kansas City and we had to go to Pittsburgh. But the thing was, is that the teams that we were playing, Ocho, we had already played. So it was a lot of familiarity. And we felt that because they beat us, they really weren't gonna change anything. Which gave us an opportunity to change a lot about what we did. Because if I win, Ocho, why would I change anything? I would. We knew that. We know you're not gonna change anything. Can't help yourself. Then now we took advantage of that. But it's tough. But like I said, Ocho, I think, me personally, I think the Steelers over achieved. I don't think they're a great team. You don't think so? I don't look at them as a great team, no. I never thought they had. But then they're not a great team offensive. They're a great team defensively. That's their identity. Their identity has always been offensive. Well, as opposed to when Roxas Burger was there, they were all for the juggernaut. Then you know, even the defense was good. And I think about, I think my era. Oh my goodness. - Yeah, but here's the thing. The Steelers have always prided themselves on defense until they got rock big band. And then all of a sudden they started getting those receivers and then they started throwing the football. So when they got big band, they had Labion, they had AB, they was like, we're just gonna outscore you. - Well, they were nasty then boy. - Oh, absolutely. 'Cause they could run it, they could throw it. But defense was good, but the championship level teams that they have, it was still a defensive base football team. When they had Lamar Woodley, they had James Harrison, they had Barrieu, they had Foote, they had Troye, they had Ike, they had Ryan Clark. - What? - They were divisible team. - Boy, they were nice, boy. - Yeah, they had a, they had a Kiesel. - Oh, yeah, it was a big beer. - Yeah. - Aaron Smith, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Kimo, Kimo. - Did they have Aaron Smith, buddy? - Kimo, Van Offlin, Kimo. - Yeah, Kimo, Van O'Hawk. - Yeah, man, he heard Carson, man. - Russet after the game, I'm not blinking on George Pickens. If anybody believes in him, I definitely do. - There we go, that's what I'm talking about. That's quarterback, quarterback got to say that. Now, after you say what you need to say in front of the media, pull his ass, pull him aside, and then talk to him. - Not again, not knowing any kind of talk, I'm talking about on the corner. - No, he ain't ready to have that cut. That's not, first of all, that's not Russet's personality. Excuse me, Joe. - Yeah, but I mean, that's what Russ got that in him. Russ got that in him. Then Russ got to talk to him like that. You can't talk to him. - He anointed. - You can't talk to him like. - Oh, Joe, you know when you anointed, you can't talk to people like that. - Hey. - See, that's being, you need to talk to him. - Hey, even the pastor, even the pastor, pull him aside, and then step out the pool pit and talk to you the right way now. Russ got that in him. You got it. He got the talk from that way. Then get him in the- - On the other hand, then he let me talk to him. (laughing) 'Cause what I'm anointed with? - Right. - That ain't gon' get me in the day or get me into the early game. So I was saying, Lord, I'm gonna ask for forgiveness. Oh, Joe, the Ramans captured the AFC third seed and will play host to either the Chargers or the Steelers next week. In the wildcard round of the playoffs. Lamar Captain historic season, what a performance today. He was 16 and 32, 217 yards, two touchdowns. He'd rush nine times for 63 yards. He became the first player in NFL history with 4,000 passing yards, 900 rushing yards. And he's the first player, Aaron Rodgers, to throw more than 40 touchdowns with fewer than five interceptions. And he just finished, Jordan, open this up, get a big one. He's the first quarter, he finished with the second highest quarterback rating in NFL history behind Aaron Rodgers. So he's the second quarterback to go 40 and fewer than five. He finished with the second highest quarterback rating. He's the first quarterback in NFL history with 40 plus passing touchdowns and 900 yards rushing. And his team won the division. - Yeah. - Guys, look, I know it's gon' be close and I know Josh Adams had a phenomenal season and I don't know if anybody thought that Josh Allen considering what he lost with Gabe Davis, with Stephon Diggs, leaving Trudevius White, Trudevius, Trubarius White, Michael Hyde, Justin Porrier. - He lost a lot. - Yeah, but how do I deny, how, how, Ocho, do I deny this? - Yeah, it's hard. - How do I deny it? - It's hard, and listen, when you look at him, you look at Lamar's, what Lamar's been able to do, especially his numbers this year, how do you say he's not the MVP? But I could tell you one thing about the voters. I could tell you one thing about the voters, despite what we made thing, despite what's right there in your face, statistically, and what Lamar's been able to do this season, they will find a way, they will find a way to move the goalposts. Whatever their reasoning may be, I'm not sure what it may be because they just wanna give it to Josh Allen, because Josh Allen has had a phenomenal year, with less. He's had a phenomenal year with less. Now, would they will take into account when it comes to who they decide to be the MVP? I don't know, I wish Josh, what, when the bills play? - They play tomorrow? - Okay, but Josh Allen ain't playing. - No. - See, I wish he was playing. I honestly, just for me, just for the sake of the race and the talk of the MVP, I wish he was playing me so he could put on one last show, and because based on what Lamar Jackson did today, that quickly sealed the deal for me, you know? I'm not a voter, I'm not the one voting. So if the vote is already in, then it's already been made regardless of what Lamar Jackson did today or not, because if it's based off his last performance, and what he's done in the totality of the season, it's going to get him to Lamar Jackson. I don't see how it could not. And the first thing I'll say was, well damn, well he had Derek Henry. That could be the only argument. - Yeah, and the thing is, Derek Henry might take some vote from Lamar. - Yeah. - I mean, because he had what? 1900 yards is 16 touchdowns. Second most rush yards in Baltimore history. Obviously, Jamal has the record at 2066. The most rush touchdowns in a single season, 16. He's the first guy with an NFL history to have two seasons in which he's rushed for over 1900 yards. E.D. in his rookie season, rushed for 18-18, and then he came back in second season and went 21-05. Derek Henry could have easily had he not gotten hurt that year. There was a year that Derek Henry was ahead of the pace in which he broke with his head over 2000 yards. He was ahead of that pace the following year, got injured and missed the rest of the season. So theoretically, he might have had three 1900 yards season or maybe even another 2000 yard season on Hill. But I think with what he's done, he's definitely played himself into a first ballot Hall of Famer. I haven't been around him a whole lot, Ocho, but a little bit of time I've been around him. I really like D-Hitter. I really like him. He's a great guy. You could tell he worked hard. He takes his stuff serious. First of all, it's hard for guys that go to Alabama to not work hard. But you not been to not work hard on saving watch. That's not gonna happen. It's just in on him. So it's kind of like if you go to New England, you know if you get somebody from New England, Ocho, for the most part, especially if they got drafted in New England? - Yeah. - Oh, they gonna work hard? - You know what you get? - Come down. - Coach, better check. Don't play that foolishness. - Mm-hmm. - But look, I used to have a vote. I had a vote for a decade. When I was at CBS, I know a little have a vote, Ocho. - Right. - But for me, I would vote. My eyes tell me that this is the MVP. He's had an MVP season. And I believe he will have earned the award, not deserved. I believe he will have earned the award with his plate. But I can understand that some people are gonna vote for Josh Ella for the very reason that you said he's done. He's won more games with less. He doesn't have a five-year receiver. He doesn't have anybody going to the Pro Bowl other than offensive lineman, Dion Dalkin. Zay Plow is going to the Pro Bowl. Lamar Sinner is going to the Pro Bowl. Henry's going to the Pro Bowl. Lamar Jackson is going to the Pro Bowl. Marlon Humphrey's going to the Pro Bowl. Hamilton, the All World Safety's going to the Pro Bowl. Madam Bquay is going to the Pro Bowl. So I understand, Ocho, I do understand the voters that were sharing. Look at what he's doing with far less talent. - Mm-hmm. - Okay. But boy, when I look at this, and the argument is, you go back and look at some of those jewelry season. - Ooh! - You're breathing 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns, it didn't win MVP. - Yeah. - It's just, man, when I just watched Lamar, I mean 4,000 yards, I would have never believed it, Ocho. 'Cause all I said, if he can get his arm to 85% of his legs, he's going to be a multiple-time MVP because his legs are ridiculous. - Yeah. - Well, now his arm is 90% of his leg, and this is what you get. - Yeah. - Now, had he wanted to, could he have been 4,000 or 1,000? Yeah, he could have. - Mm-hmm. - He could have. - Easily. - Hey, listen, he still might, he got a long way to go by. - Yeah. - Yeah, I don't think, I don't think the Vegas Ocho, that's not on his mind anymore. He can throw the ball so much so he don't rely on it. He's not nearly, or rely. 'Cause now, he used to like, get the ball, it's broke down, he's looking to run. Now, if it breaks down, he's looking to buy time to throw it. - Oh, yeah. - He gonna let some guys, hey, before I absolutely have to take off Ocho and put this leg under my arm, I'm going to let you guys get some time. Okay, likely, get open. Okay, Andrew, I'm gonna give you an opportunity. Okay, flowers, okay, baby, I'm gonna give you guys a chance to get open. I don't want to run, but I'll do it. - Right. - Hey, like Gator told him to say, "Bubba, hey, don't make me hit a whole lane over here, mama, I'll do it." - Hey, you know what I mean? - No, Gator had that heavy, he said, "Bubba." Gator, he asked him, "Gator, what happened to the TV?" He said, "Damn it, mama, I smoked the TV." - Hey, you know the extent of Zayflower's entry, I hope he's okay. He's good. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - He scared me a little bit when he grabbed and when he grabbed it, the way the way the way it went. - Yeah, it looked like maybe some, he got maybe some, just like a little bone bruise or something, or something with something with something. - Other dude, he had knees with the dude on the way. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Okay, okay, okay, okay. - 'Cause you know, hey, man, hey, and at least now, they play with knee pads. You know, we did that hard as dirt, we have no knee pads. - And all nothing. - Knee pads, no thigh pads, they got, hey, they got knee pads, thigh pads, hell, I mean, some of the probably running backs, where you're a pair, but we got there just, basically, we had them tight. To make a long story short, we had them tight because we had them taking all the inner workings of our paint game. - And lining out and cutting all that out. - But all that out. - Y'all know who started that, we started that. Y'all paint the Broncos. - Oh, we took our back then, when you were in there. - Yes, yes, okay. - We cut our pants, and then we had the shoe string for the belt to tie it up. - Yeah. (laughing) - But the first person actually, I would have given Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever saw that had no plans in this paint. - Right. - And I was like, man, wait, didn't let you do that? I would have done like, "Hey, you feel so light?" Oh, yo, but you don't act like, "Oh, you." (laughing) And I remember when I came to practice, and my ass is like, "84, you gonna play in the game like that?" I was like, "Yeah." He's like, "Okay." - That's on you. - Hey, however, he said, "Come to practice, however you going to play in the game." - Right. - Now, Dan Reeve wasn't playing that. Dan Reeve said, "Look, if you don't have no plans in and you go to five rules, I'm gonna find you." Let me go and put this thing in here. Let me go put this thing in here. (laughing) Okay, let me go and put these five hands in, and then let me go over the bed there out. How do you wanna, how do you wanna, how do you wanna know, have the word about that? - It's so funny, when we used to practice, right? But, with Belichick in New England, you could play in the game, have you want to. But Bill, in practice, he had everybody looking like the goddamn mannequin in the damn arm. know the mannequin and the equipment room. Yeah. And it can be on the wall on how you suppose. Yeah, I got he got an elbow pad. He got on the head on your mental hand pad. We don't care. Don't feel make everybody you got to have me knee pads in your back has in no matter how you really like the game. Yeah, I'm like, Oh my God. Oh, that would be crazy. And he ain't playing that if you ain't I remember when I went out there one time, I'm thinking, you know, I'm a veteran. He not gonna trip. Yeah, I go. I'm out there. Took the line and I'm a pants, no knee pad, no fat pad. Man, Bill, send me in that send me right back in. I had to chain my pants, get some new pants and put my thigh pads and many pads and just for practice. Well, I built a that was a might like a if you don't play if you don't play with no knee pads, no thigh pads, you can't practice without them. Well, hey, I have numbers helping the shoulder pads. That's all I had. I have those five pads. I didn't play with no mouthpiece. Like, man, you got I said, bro, I don't have time out of out of slap hands with somebody on the head, somebody on their hands. Good. They made a good play. And you think I'm going to reach in my mouth and pull my mouth piece out. No, plus I want to be able to talk ish on command. That that help you. Me too. Yeah, I got no mouthpiece. Just a mouthful of gold. That's it. Yeah. I had them three sticks, a big red in my mouth. I was good. Grab a fresh chocolate cat ish. Oh, there were some good days. 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