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How come Collins was all about black last matter, but baby's lives don't matter. How come Collins was all about racism and all this left wing, "Oh Jesus loves him." I'm like awesome. What about the little kids that are being indoctrinated by the gender, uncarding and butchering their body parts? Here's how it describes it. So when people ask me the good question. What do you think about hom-- right? This is all my answer. Collins was infiltrated by the spirit of age. Team Color is the theological version of him, which they are infiltrated by, they're called the wisdom of age. Dude, you have an update on the Bishop Marmar Emmanuel stuff, the guy who got charged with it, is he going through court, like, and what is this, what is it the sense on the ground in Australia? It was ugly, man. So first thing, I was one of the first people to say, it's a Muslim young boy. You were one of the first to say, it's a Muslim guy, and they don't want to make a statement. They don't want to make a statement. Bruce, line. All right, man. Thank you for being here. Thank you for the honor. It's an honor to be with you here. Bruce, line, I love what the Lord is doing with you. So much courage, curiosity and knowledge, which is amazing. Thank you. Well, listen, you are very good in terms of going viral, in my opinion, for the right reasons, but then there being a little bit of infamy. And I think that that's what's needed right now. That's the time we're in. I don't think it's a time to be on the fence. I don't think there's a time to water down and to soften stuff. And your story is very interesting. It's similar to mine. I grew up more into Orthodox where I guess sister cousin churches, Egyptian Coptic church. Coptic church. So you got this Orthodox tradition. I think it's like you got the Jerusalem Orthodox, which they're pretty much gone. They don't exist anymore as long had destroyed them. You got the Armenian Orthodox, which I think the main church with the one and can't remember the area. You got the Greek Orthodox. Yeah. So we're kind of very close theologically as we grew up, but then as you get older, the reformation happened to us as well. I want to hear why and how you guys, but you and your dad became Protestant. Yeah. Yeah. I really cares about that. I grew up in Azerbaijan, ethnically Armenian refugee. You grew up Christian in Egypt, which used to be 90% Christian. Christian. Yeah. Now it's only 10% Christian. So yeah, Egypt is Coptic. So I did a DNA test a few months ago and I got 98% Coptic or ancient Egyptian, which is the initial pagan people, the ancient Egyptians that as marked came to Egypt and preached a gospel, people became Christian. Mark ended up being a martyr. He got killed in Alexandria. He ended up being dragged across the city gates of Alexandria on a literary on a horse carriage and he died, but eventually most of Egypt became Christian by the preaching of the gospel. So Coptic's where the sect or the tradition of Orthodoxy in Egypt until Islam took over in the six hundreds, and before you know it through violence, force, gzia, which is like the non Islamic tax, culture, pressure, Christian systematically left the faith, others got killed, others got kidnapped, others got raped and even young women got forcibly married. Like one of the big practices in the Middle East or in Egypt is young Christian girls will get kidnapped by old Muslim men and then they'll marry them. And the problem is once they get married, like I remember my dad at the past, he will be pastoring cases of young women who got kidnapped and once they get married to an old man, they're legally under the covering of the Muslim men. So he will see his granddaughter in front of him and he can't get her, he can't say hi to her because now she moved legally from his daughter, it's a very common practice. It's heartbreaking man. So we're kind of from that world, so as Islam took over by the force, we went from 90 percent Christian, Coptic, Orthodox, now we're only up to 10 percent Christian, so I'm part of that little minority and because you made it somehow, yeah, a part of that minority, that is why you came to Australia as a refugee. I'm trying to give people a little foreshadow of your story as we get into all this. I came to Australia as a refugee in 2007 because my dad was a preacher preaching the gospel. The issue is, in Islamic world, it's illegal to preach a gospel outside of the full world of church. Interesting, you can evangelize. You can, illegal, like I grew up, I never knew you can build a church, I never knew you can preach a gospel and not get arrested, but more than anything, I didn't know people can actually get saved, like can you imagine grew up in a nation where nobody legally is ever allowed to become a Christian? Wow. So we have blasphemy laws which will pretty much make any person who speaks against Islam, against the prophet Muhammad, the false prophet, against all this stuff, you'll go to jail or you'll get killed and then you've got apostasy laws which prevents any Muslim from becoming a Christian. So a Christian can become Muslim, but a Muslim cannot become a Christian. She's got these two little things operating at the same time. So my dad, when people asked him about Jesus, he told them, which is illegal. And he grew up Coptic Christian as well and then becomes Protestant, am I talking questions? So again, what led him to become a Christian? I think in the 80s and 90s, the same charismatic wave that was going across the West, it was going across Egypt. So a lot of all the dogs people became charismatic. Not just Protestant, they went all the way, all the way to America. Very tiny movement, but the Holy Spirit was moving, man. So my dad, well, so 10% of Egyptians are Christian, 80% of them are all the dogs. Ah, okay. You go. Okay. Then the rest are Catholic, Baptist, a little bit of Protestant. And this is in the 80s that came to faith? Well, that came to faith. 89. 89. He becomes a Protestant charismatic. So he grew up at the cultural, all the dogs, Coptic Christian. And eventually he was on a Bible study in a house, because again, you can't build a church in Egypt. Like one of the things it's like, I remember, like right now you can't build a church in Egypt. You can't go plant a church in Egypt. Well, as it changed, well, it's technicality. Like for example, in order for you to start a church, you need to be under a governmental religious system. In order to go there, you need to be under domination. So pretty much there's only state held religion, that's just to legally operate. So when my dad ran a church, he had to act like it was a, it was like a, it was like a home group helping people. We literally, because my dad ran a church and a home, we literally had the police come and check, make sure we're not preaching. Well, because you're not allowed, you remember this as a kid. I remember this as a kid. Like my dad, my dad literally with the police come and then we'll quickly hide the bibles and act like we were just having dinner. Wow. So we grew up in that world, I know that the gospel can be persecuted. I know that freedom of religion, freedom of worship is the most precious commodity. So I grew up in that environment and on top of that, you couldn't build a physical building for a church. In order for you to build a church in Egypt, you have to get presidential permission. We used to get like five to 10 approved a year. So I grew up in a world you can't be, you can't become a Christian, you can't preach a gospel, you can't build the church, you can't have a church. So to come to the West and watch people liberalize the gospel and being scared because I don't offend people, I don't offend people, I'm like, how sad, like you are living in a moment in time, particularly in the West, particularly in America, you have a constitution, like you have the first amendment, the previous speech, and you're scared of preaching the gospel while people in the middle of the East, like my parents, nearly died, lost their home, their family, their livelihood, their wealth, their income, and escaped to the other side of the world for just wanting to talk about Jesus to come here, finding people liberalize the gospel, what are they in the gospel, try to, under the name of love, be cowards. It's very sad. Yeah, I know. It's very, very sad. We get into that a bit, but before we get to that, because you end up going to work with Hillsong and you're like a youth pastor leader with Hillsong, but I want to kind of go back a little bit to get to get more context. So how does Egypt go from being the school of Alexandria, Mark, who wrote the gospel of Mark, you know, crazy, amazing, amazing move of God, one of the ancient churches and 90% Christian, and now is 10% Christian. When did that number switch or do you, around what time in history, 600 in the seventh century, 600, something is lamb takes over. So up until Islam taking over, 312, Egypt, nationally become the Christian nation as constant syntax over. You had Armenian 301, 307, and then Egypt followed. So the whole world became Christian. And then from there, you get this Christian amazing revolution technology, science, libraries. You had the library of Alexandra. You had the first ever school of systematic theology in the world. One of the interesting historical facts I came across is that the first missionary trip to go to England was from Egypt. Really? Yeah. So the Egyptians were sending missionaries to England. It's like what life is a very funny paradox. That's amazing. Now Protestantism came to Egypt because of the English. The English as the colonization happened, thank the law for it, controversial enough. The English brought Christianity under formation to Egypt, but it was interesting. It was the Coptic that sent the gospel to... So they returned the favor. The wheels and the bar go around the rear. So everything is Christian in Egypt for the most part, and then Islam rises up, which kind of... This ties into, I think, a lot of your worldview, not your worldview, a lot of the way you speak about Islam because of understanding this history and the region you grew up in. Yeah, well, you come to the West and you find this conspiracy theory Islamophobia. It's like Islamophobia. Like, it is very logical for any Middle Eastern Christian to be faithful to Islam. Islamophobia is like a myth. It's like, oh, Islamophobia is like an illogical fear of something. I'm like, people like you, have you heard about the Armenian genocide? With the Islamic Ottoman Empire, they killed 1.2 million people, that's the first ever modern day in genocide, and you go to the Middle East where we got the word genocide from. Literally, and then you come to the West, Islam is a religion of peace. You can literally Google now is Islam, the religion of peace, and Google will tell you Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance of love. I'm like, not really, I'm like, that's not what the book says, that's not what the theology say, that is not what what I was born said, and that's not what's happening in Sydney at the moment said, like, we had just a few days ago, we had a Jewish mosque bond, just in Sydney. So that's a fun fact. They still haven't released the identity of the person, but we know, like, would it be a Christian bombing it soon ago? We don't do that stuff. We had a few months ago, Bishop Mari Mari, who got stabbed by a young Muslim boy. How's that case going, by the way? Bishop, Mar-Manuel is not too far from where you're at, he's literally 40 minutes down the road. We're pretty much from the same tradition, I just became Protestant, which is very cool, but it's funny, you'll find the old people who are made in the Middle East were disagreeable and were very honest in truth. It's not even about all the dogs Catholic Protestant anymore, like I'll tell people now, I'm not into the domination lines anymore. I think the line at the moment is truthful versus liberal. It's biblical versus the wisdom of the age. So I think this dynamational line, as life is moving forward, we're really heading towards an era. Are you biblical or liberal? We can disagree on the little stuff. Sorry, what was the question? So the question was, do you have an update on the Bishop Mar-Manuel stuff, the guy who got charged with it, is he going through court, like, and what is the sense on the ground in Australia? And so first thing, we had the Prime Minister said, they didn't comment for lack of a lot of days because they didn't comment. Well, obviously, because they're trying to say multiculturalism, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam. And then this incident happened. So the police, I was one of the first people to say, it's a Muslim young boy. They were arguing, oh, it wasn't a Muslim guy. It was a Jewish guy. You were one of the first to say, it's a Muslim guy, and they don't want to make a statement. They don't want to make a statement. Well, the guy screamed a la Hukbar at the end, who screamed a la Hukbar? And not Christians. Not Christians. And would it be a Buddhist? Have you ever seen a Buddhist scream a la Hukbar and bomb themselves? Not really. We don't do that stuff. Also, why would a young boy go to a church and stab a priest as he is about to preach? Growing up in the Middle East, that's what Muslims do. That's what radical Muslims do. So I'm not familiar. Like the moment this happened, before even I hear a la Hukbar, I was like, you knew right away. I grew up where every Christmas we get a gift from radical Muslims, they bomb a la random church. Like you can check every year from the 1990s to 2000, we will always go to church, and a random church will get bombed. Oh, my gosh. So when this happens, I'm not really surprised. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, this makes sense to you. I'm like, I've grown up all of my life. Like, it's funny when people here during COVID were very scared of virus, I'm not going to go to church because I'm going to die. I'm like, people in the Middle East went to church on Christmas with the possibility of getting bombed. Not just that. People used to line up thousands of men. Like on Christmas day, you will the only way to make it to church, you will have to line up 9am in the morning for a 7pm service. And and you will go and you'll probably die and you're doing care. Wow. Because you're here to worship Jesus, no matter what the cost, people have kind of the cost. To come to the West during the COVID era and see people scared of a virus, of a lesson, like 3% death, right? Yeah. It was shocking for me. Yeah. Come back, dude, if you're on the Middle East. Yeah. Your life is literally on the line. Yes. To come here and watch pastors being soy boys and very scared. I want to get in the passage of me so well. Okay. I wish that the vision bar, mama. So is the kid been tried? Is there a court case? Well, we're talking about it. At the moment, it's quiet. They're not releasing anything. And it's so sad. Not just that. Our Prime Minister took Elon Master Corps to remove all the content of what happened from X. Wow. Yeah. And we're in Asia in Australia because they keep on telling us Islam is religion and peace. And then the thing happened and when it happens, they want to censor it. So we're living in this dystopian world in Australia. They're trying to force us to accept Islam. When the reality is Islam, Judaism and Christianity, Christian and Jews can get along very well. We're not going to bomb each other. But the moment you put Islam in the picture and can you like so we're living in that delusional dystopian world at the moment in Australia where they keep on hiding things under the rug and then they want to remove all content of any potential Islamic terrorism from online. So just simply for social cohesion, we're waiting on that boy. The media was saying, oh, he's mentally ill and I'm like, no, a young boy doesn't drive 50 minutes from his home to stab a preacher as he was about to open the Bible because he's mentally ill. So what is the motivation behind this Islam is a religion of peace? We're not going to talk about it. We're going to just keep suppressing and creating this peace version. The left has a goal of destroying the West and the way to destroy the West is by making the West less Christian. So the way to make the less Christian is to have open borders and keep on talking about this multicultural multi-faith, which is Australia at the moment. And before you know it, you have no longer an identity. So it is a very strategic smart plan to decrystionize America, to decrystionize Australia, to decrystionize the United Kingdom and Australia is 10 years down the road from you guys in America. We have, you are very blessed that you had Donald Trump just went to close those borders. But in Australia, we have technically open borders. We had 1.2 million refugees in the last three, not refugees immigrants in the last three to four years. And we don't know who are these people. And that's coming from a refugee myself. So you decrystionize the West. And before you know it, you end up this dystopian world of multiculturalism, which is post-modernism, like multi, the whole concept of multiculturalism is all cultures are equal, which is not true, not all cultures are equal. West culture is better than most cultures, Christian culture is better than all cultures. I'm a Christian supremacist. Obviously. That's why I'm a Christian. I believe Christian value of the best ideas and therefore, Christian culture of the best. So yeah, I think sometimes people will get confused on the multicultural thing because I think what we're looking at is when you say multiculturalism, are we saying, I like Greek food and I like my folks from Ghana and I like my folks from Nigeria and I like my friends from Australia. No, when multi-coa, you're talking about a view that all culture, all cultures, not which is superficial level. Yeah, which is not true. Jewish culture is not Muslim culture, Muslim culture is not Jewish culture. Chinese atheist culture is not Western American culture. It's not the same. This is crazy. And not all cultures are equal. Some cultures are better than other cultures. You don't want some ancient pagan culture that cannibals who eat people. So I'm pro multi-ethnicity, but not multicultural. So white, black, I don't care whatever color. They're all made in the image of God. But what they left have done, they have confused us two terms, multi-ethnicity or multicultural. And what people don't understand, multiculturalism is paganism because what they, multiculturalism is personalism, which is there's no truth, which means all cultures are equal, all cultures are the same. And from there in Australia, we have like ancient pagan practices of like smoke ceremonies and witchcraft and spells and they call, oh, it's multiculturalism. I'm like, no, it's paganism. So multiculturalism is a leftist scam to decurstinise the West to make it less free. So when you say cultural, define what you mean by the word culture. Well, I don't believe, so an atheist progressives define culture as a bunch of man-made tradition. I don't believe culture is man-made tradition. I believe culture is religious and spiritual tradition. All cultures have mythic concept and ideas. So the problem has the moment most people in the West, a lot of Christians are Christian atheists. They use terms that we all agree on, but they define it by atheist terms. So culture is not a set of values made by people. Culture is a set of values that come from a worldview that comes from a religious and a spiritual ideas. So when you see an Indian guy making smoke and stuff, that's not culture, that's ancient paganism. So the issue you have at the moment is that for the left to be able to make Christians pagan, they color paganism as multiculturalism. Interesting. You got what I mean? And then before you know it, you become empathetic to worldviews that are so opposite to Christendom. So what they do? Weaponized empathy. It's weaponized empathy, which is empathy. We're not empathy. It's feelings that facts. It's heart with a head. It's manipulating the biblical virtue of compassion to use it against you. And empathy, it's really, it's love with that truth. So in terms of, you said you guys are about 10 years ahead in terms of what America, and what does that look like right now? So multiculturalism. So the opposite of multiculturalism is nationalism. So in Australia, we don't have a lot of Australian flags around. So you go around, well, we have de-Australianized nation. The purpose of multiculturalism is to remove lawful country. Like people are saying, "Oh, Trump is a nationalist." I'm like, "Of course, the nationalism is the best idea." I mean, if you think about nationalism... I'm happy to argue that, okay. Yeah. Nationalism is interesting because if I grew up Armenian, and Armenians are very nationalist, nationalism seems to be okay everywhere but in the West. You know, if you grew up in a Armenian context, Armenian and Christian, you don't really even detangle those. Now that's a separate conversation. That's salvation and you're born again or not. But it's an interesting view that when you go to other places, everyone is nationalistic to a certain degree when they have a degree of excitement for where they're at and where they're from. Which you are supposed to, like this is a problem with people because they're not biblically trained and pastors have watered down the gospel. You look around people. The amount of Christians or you're a Christian nationalist, of course, I'm a Christian nationalist. Number one, I'm a nationalist because I'm not a globalist. I'm the don't believe in a one or... There should be borders, there should be nation states, there should be separation. Jesus said, "Go into other world and make the sop of all the nations." The Bible believes in nations. It's literally in the great commission. So you got three options. Globalism, nationalism and are key. As Christians, it's a very good biblical case when nationalists. Globalism, that's a one-world order, the mark of the beast, no matter how you want to go that direction. But we're not globalists. We're not after tyranny. Globalism is tyrannical. So if you're a Christian, oh, a nationalist, like there is no... Now the next question, do you want Christian nationalism or atheist nationalism or pagan nationalism? So of course, as a Christian, I want Christian nation. Men create Christian families, Christian families create Christian communities, Christian communities create Christian cities and Christian cities become Christian countries. So by nature, if you have Christian men, you'll end up with a Christian nation. The common sense, you save a man, you save a family, you save a family, you save a nation. So of course, I am a Christian nationalist. So what multiculturalism is, it's an empathetic leftist way of introducing communism. Because communism hinges on destroying the past and demonizing it. So what they're doing is they're destroying the past by bringing people with a different story. And before you know it, you don't have a nation. So I was born in the Middle East. I went to Australia to live like an Australian. I don't want to be an Egyptian Australian. If I left Egypt, I need to go to Australia to act like an Australian. If I come to America, I need to subscribe to the American values. I didn't come here to be Egyptian American. Not really. I don't care about that. So the problem we have at the moment is that multiculturalism, they're telling people, come here and bring your crap with you. Yeah. I'm not. We'll leave it home. What aspects of your ethnicity do you think are fair to bring? Because I think that's the tricky part you get into. At this point of time, nothing, because Egypt is Islamized. Yeah, I'm not talking about Egypt. I'm talking about in general. I'm talking as people are migrating, people are coming over. If you're telling bring pizza, I mean, be awesome, but sure. Bring your food. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, that's what I'm saying. Like, there are certain aspects that are of every culture where we have to reject certain things. Absolutely certain aspects need to be rejected, right? So for me, I'll give you a context coming from Soviet culture. I had to, we have to reject the Soviet despair that then usually is connected with alcoholism. Yeah. Yeah. So there was a lot of folks that came over. There were alcoholics. A lot of, I remember my mom getting calls. So-and-so's husband just killed himself in a drunk driving accident, right? So that is an aspect that we have to reject alcoholism, no matter how intertwined it is with Soviet culture and Armenians, we have to reject that. Then there's other parts where I feel like we can receive. Yeah. The joke about, you know, shushkabab, shushlik, right? All these things, we can receive the food, we can receive the customs, we can receive even some of the stereotypes Armenians are notoriously for being late, right? It's like, it's fun. That's like Egyptians. Yeah, right. And then there's also an aspect where there's certain things I think we can redeem about our culture, right? I think Armenia will have a lot, because you got the Christian nation. We don't have anything in the Egyptian world. We don't, because we're gone. We're 90% Muslim, so we are institutionally, heart, mind, and soul islamized. So you're saying that that's incompatible in the West? It goes back. For example, Armenia, you're looking probably 20 to 50% culture can be redeemed, because you got Armenia still all the dogs. Italy, yeah, they're Catholic, there's an element of Christendom. Europe in general, people like your white supremacist, I'm like, yeah, Europe is Christian. I'm sorry, man. I'm like, I'm like, the reality is white culture is mostly Christian. Whether people like it or not, Middle Eastern culture is Muslim. So you'll find that in the Middle Eastern culture, you want to probably reject 90% of it, because we have been Islamized for a very, very, like I said, reality is that Christians in the Middle East can be Muslim in their values, so violence. Christians, hold on, Christians in the Middle East can be Muslim in their values. That's interesting. It's the same as Christians here are woken their values. Like culture and worldview, it's the air that you breathe. It's a water that you're swimming. So if you're not intentional, you'll be marinated in it. So for example, there is lots of domestic violence among Christians in the Middle East, because Muslims do it to the children and to the wives. It's very common in Christian community. And that is a moment where we're mingling with the spirit of the age of Islam. We've got Christians for Palestine, or we're going to fight for Palestine again. That's mingling with the spirit of the age. You've got a lot of people in Egypt that say Arabs and Muslims are the best. And I'm like, actually, you're nation wars Christian. You've got colonized by Islam. So I think Middle Eastern culture, 90% of it, I would reject it. But it's case by case, Europe and your region. You got a still very Christianized and you will have the little bit of that ancient European drinking. Sure. Oh, yeah. A fucking type of... I can't speak too much to Europe. I do think, like here's an issue that people in America, you might call this woke or whatever, but I think the issue here in America is that there was a Christian origin to some degree. You want to call America a Christian nation and not a Christian nation inspired by Christian which was really relevant to me, but you had a people group that identified as Christians, but did not love their neighbor well when it comes to black people. And that's a messy part of our history. So I think that the difficult part is when you just... I don't want to generalize and say, "Oh, what whites are generally Christian?" It's like, okay, but there's these nasty aspects of our history ours as in like, "I'm an assimilated American." In the same way that we would say, "Wait a minute, no, no, no, that's Islam influencing Christians to behave in a way they ought not by beating their wives." We have to say the same thing in America where, "Hey, man, from slavery to Jim Crow to everything that happened afterwards, there's a lot of subjugation of people of color in America, and it's been harmful." You know what I mean? So I wouldn't say like, "Oh, yeah, well, it's just like all the Europeans are Christians." I'm very interested, though, in a lot of the same is because the reality is changes in incremental. Sure. So for example, when you look at Europe, you see a lot of this age sexual liberation. Sure. That's part of paganism. They went from pagan to Christian, and they care it. So my question is with slavery is that it was a very normal, natural part of the human existence. Whether you like it or not, it's wrong. Yeah, not shadow slavery, though. That was unique, right? And because kidnapping people was punishable by death in the Old Testament. Yeah. Right? So that's a little different. You've got to sell themselves to pay their debt back. Like Abraham. That's very different. Yeah. And we're like, "We're going to go partner with these opposing villages and sell people." Well, it was actually the Arab Muslims that kidnapped the black people from Africa and sold them to America. Sure. So technically, if you want to look at the ethics of the time, that was a trade. Sure. Yeah. I'm always challenging people because I'm like, "Dude, the fact that you have equality in the West, like coming from the Middle East, the West and America did very well." Yeah. I hear you. I'm just saying... I'm coming from the other side of the world. No, no, no. I'm not disagreeing with you. Yeah. I'm saying we have to acknowledge that there's incongruence in every culture with your set values with how you've actually walked out those values. Yeah. And I think America is not without blemish. And I think the West is not without blemish. I'm not even talking about colonization and islands and these groups and the Queen. I'm talking about... I'm talking about... I'm very basic. Like, you give people rights and then you have Jim Crow laws. Like... But I am very impressed. I am very impressed by how the Christian West, how far they became. Sure. It's mind-blowing. And I'm simply saying that to people because I'm like the people, if you think you're oppressed right now, you haven't seen oppression. Sure. Like, you haven't seen... Grow up in the Middle East. Roicism, roicism. I'm like, if you're a Christian on your ID, a Muslim had number one, a Christian had number two. You actually had a system. Actually had a system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A system. When I go to court, apartheid. That sounds like apartheid. And I'm like... When I come to roostism, I'm like, dude, I don't see anything at this point in time. I'm like, systematic racism. Cool where? Like, we literally had a number. We literally... Like, if you had a Christian last name, you go to court. You lost the case. You're gone. Like, we just had... Let's talk about real, real, deal things that you experienced. So one thing you knew in Egypt, as a Christian, you cannot go to court. Every time you go to church, when you park in front of church, everybody that parks and in front of church will get a fine. So by the end of the year, we pay the fine. Every time I die, they will go and the farmer be $50,000. Wow. Wow. What we'll have to do, we'll have to literally bribe the guy to get rid of the fine. You want to talk about ethical gymnastics? Sure. Sure. You know, as a pastor, well, so we grew up in that world that is like, what the heck, man? Like, you know what I mean? No, this makes sense. This makes sense. I don't like the people, dude. Like, when I came here, people were like, have you experienced racism? Yeah. I'm like, no. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, not really. So from your paradigm... From my perspective, yeah. From your perspective, this would make sense why you have been infamous in certain instances for some of your statements, because when you see liberal Christianity and a disservice to the truth, it bugs you and it should. And how much of your connection to Hillsong is influencing this in terms of some of their practice, in terms of how you've seen coming up and share a little bit of that. Hillsong was founded in Australia, Australia is English. So they love liberalism, they're socialist liberal. So the culture in Australia is leftism, institutional liberalism and leftism. I said to you before, that our right is your left wing. So it's like our paradigm, I said before, if Kamala Harris won, America was transitioning from capitalism to socialism. At the moment, Australia, we are transitioning from socialism to communism. For long communism. Communism. Like removing content, putting passes in jail in Australia now, if I pray for a gay person in the church, I can go to jail for three to five years. Just to pray for a gay person. Just pray for a gay person. Not even to try and tell them to start being gay. Yeah. This conversation can get me to call and jail if you're gay. Whoa. You can right now, me talking to you, you can report that I offended you and I'm trying to change you. Wow. So at the moment in Australia, we're moving to what I call gay communism. Board with your boring cardio, stop peddling that snoo cycle to nowhere's bill and try some cardio that's actually fun. Supernatural fitness, available on MetaQuest, isn't that right, Jane Fonda? Cardio will never be boring again. Sweat to the beat of thousands of chart-topping songs inside stunning virtual landscapes. That's your stationary bike, can't do that. Visit GetSupernatural.com and join the next business revolution, Supernatural VR Fitness. Only on MetaQuest, 18 for T. Okay, okay, and I'll unpack that for me, unpack that for me. So gay communism. So because communism didn't work in the West, the poor and the rich, the communists went back to the drawing board and they derived it into three sections, gay, straight, LGBTQ versus straight. So you'll see all this flag, the gay flag as a communist flag. It's a flag that designed to split people into two groups of people and the LGBTQ, it's a sex religion, I always say to people, the LGBTQ is a sex religion that pretends to be a human rights campaign. It's a sex religion. God created us to worship Him, love people and use sex. What the LGBTQ sucks cult wants us to do, it's wants us to love self, use people and worship sex. So that's kind of, it's an inversion. It's an inversion. So God created us to love people, worship Him, use sex. Well the LGBTQ sex cult claim, love is love, is that we need to worship sex, love self and use people. And that flag is a propaganda flag that's designed to indoctrinate children number one, but number two is designed to become a political campaign to being people to vote left. So in Australia, we're seeing the persecution of Christians and Christianity under the disguise of LGBTQ rights. So communism is a forceful removal of God out of the public square. And the LGBTQ sex cult in Australia are using the LGBTQ ideology from gender queen, gender bender, all the kind of program and program and all that weird stuff. They're using it as an excuse to criminalize Christianity. So at the moment, in Australia, Christianity is being criminalized one day at a time. So now we have prayer, types of prayer illegal, like this sound like some Babylonian stuff, pastoral care for gay people is illegal, or conversations with gay people is illegal. The only thing I'm allowed to do at this point of time with this stuff is to talk from platform, which, and that will not be there for too long. Not just that. Now, at the moment, Australia, we're facing a bigger problem where they're forcing Christian schools to teach those things, the LGBTQ sex cult, the gay Christian schools, or forcing Christian schools to teach LGBTQ civics studies, history. So if we don't teach it, the school will lose a license. We're now arguing that debate. So when now, in the next five years, Christian schooling will become illegal in Australia. That's crazy. So we have to homeschool, and guess what comes after Christian schooling? They're going to make homeschooling illegal. So my kid have to listen to the sex cult of the LGBTQ, and my Christian school have to teach it. The only organization that is now going to be allowed to not participate in that is just for how long, I'm not sure. So you would think that's why I mean to you, it's gay communism, just googoo LGBTQ sex cult. You'll find a communist fist. It's not really, it's called critical queer theory, which is a gay section of the communist theory. So people think I'm being hateful, but I'm like, it's a political ideology. I'm not even making up stuff, man, like if anyone has familiar with critical theory understands gender theory and all that sort of stuff. So tell me your perception of Hillsong in the middle of this, because when we hear this, we go, oh well, Hillsong blew up, they were this big thing. Hillsong comes under the liberal church model, which is seek a sense of church. Seek a sense of church came to the 70s and 80s. It started in America, and the goal was to make church feel friendly. So their idea was, and it was at this point of time, 90% of people were Christian. So their goal was to liberalize Christians. So the idea was people think Christianity is so mean, let's remove conviction. So this was the idea, they removed sin, then they removed hell, then they removed conviction. And now there is no repentance. Wow. You will notice, and you'll see, Velocri, this is liberal Christianity. Firstly they removed sin, like we were in Hillsong, and we were not allowed to use the word sin. When you were on staff or working with it, not ourselves, but working with Hillsong. I was a volunteer, you were not allowed to say the word sin. There was a code where, like, we don't want people to feel condemned, so we can't use the word sin. We used to say, like, we broke the code of God, really. That's the kind of conversation that we used to have. So it was a journey of liberalization. We started me and my wife were preaching sex as a gift of marriage. By the end of the era, I was getting in trouble by my own pastor for saying sex as a gift of marriage. Really? So with this process of liberalization, well, if you watched Carl Lance during the Hillsong dilemma, the goal of Carl Lance, the goal of Carl Lance was to make the church liberal. That's why he was always invited and seen in. Whenever you're invited and seen in as a pastor, right, like, so his goal was to make Christianity compatible, what's left-wing liberalism, that's why you ask him, is abortion a sin? He's like, oh, I want to know your story. I'm like, I didn't ask you about your story. So again, the goal of liberal Christian is to demoralize Christianity. It's to always get Christianity. And the first God said, when you eat from the fruit, you will know the difference of good and evil. But every time he told him, he was like, sure, that's sin, they're like, I love people. And I'm like, I did not ask you if you hate people. I've asked you, is homosexuality a sin? And they're like, well, I love all people. I'm like, can you answer the question? So you'll see the Hillsong movement hinged on liberalizing Christianity by highlighting the love of God without the wrath of God, by worshiping the grace of God and abandoning the fear of God, by preaching salvation with that sin, Holy Spirit without holiness and revival without repentance. And that was really the seeker sense of movement. The goal was to make you feel good about that yourself. And that's the reason they call conviction hate speech. So Collins got asked, is homosexuality a sin? And it's always, I love all people that they would never answer. I'm like, can you please answer the question? Like, can you please be honest? Is abortion a sin? Oh, I want to know your story. Awesome. It's racism a sin, blow a closed moon or racism is wrong. I'm like, you're very confident about left wing ideas. But when it comes to actual biblical ideas, which is holiness, sexual purity, thou shall not kill, you're very gray. So Hillsong with this funny liberal leftist movement, they were very loud about racism. They're not very loud about abortion. And that's how you test these people, they're very loud about what the culture is loud about. And it's a movement that we need to confront. I really don't understand how come Collins was all about black last matter, but baby's life don't matter. How come Collins with all about racism and all this left wing, oh, Jesus loves homosexuals. I'm like, awesome. What about the little kids that are being indoctrinated by the gay agenda and cutting and butchering their body parts? That's about the next generation that I come across some young people that have went along to have their body parts cut and you're not willing to engage. So it doesn't really make this is left wing Christianity and you will, by the way, they're very loud about left wing issues, but when it comes to right wing issues, they're not very accurate. So racism, yeah, Jesus is anti-racism, abortion. I don't know man, I just want to judge, I don't want to judge people. So that was kind of the vibe. So as a conservative in Hillsong church, we were getting bullied. So it's a left wing liberal church. So as a conservative, I didn't even know back then the difference between conservative and progressive. I was just a Christian. Like I come from the Middle East and I'm like, I'm a Christian. I'm like, I didn't know abortion was off of debate. I'm like, I come here, I'm like, you're very conservative, right wing, don't run conservative and I'm like, what is conservative? I'm like, I just think killing is wrong. I think homosexuality is the same. I love all people. If you're gay, if you're Muslim, if you're frog, if you're whatever, fury, fury, whatever genders. I love all people. I don't care. But I'm going to answer the question when you ask me. So it was a sweet thing for me and my wife as conservative, we eventually got bullied out of the liberal organization and eventually, by the way, the thing about liberal organization, they crumble very quickly. Like you saw it later with the incident with different pastors cheating on their wife and I'm like, people were surprised I wasn't because they were liberal to begin with on their theology. That theology creates bad lifestyle. People were shocked. Oh my gosh, these big, big pastors in Hillsong did all these things with women who are not their wife. I was like, why are you shocked? Normally whatever you don't confront is most likely your own personal weakness. So you were dealing with the issue of their own weakness and look, I'm not saying all the heretics. I'm just saying that with a big blind spot. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's interesting. I think like my thought goes when there's actual racism, it should be called out. Yeah. Right. So there's a situation of the lady who was killed as she was screaming in the name of Jesus, I rebuke you in the cop was six, six, seven feet away from her, killed her chatter in the face. Right. There was a situation. It was tragic. Right. And so you could say, was the name of Jesus made that cop manifest, like that stuff should be condemned out. Right. You know, there's, there is racism on the far right, you know, I don't want to pretend that that's not a thing. My question is, what is the definition of racism because racism, let me answer the question because I'm like, that definition is very fluid. Yeah. Well, let me out. People project. No, no, no. I mean, I don't, I don't do the whole system and power of white people. I mean, black people can't be racist. That's not what I'm saying. Nick Funes has his races. Mm hmm. Okay. So when, and that exists on the right, say something positive about Israel on X and you will get slammed. Yeah. But so racism is the view that one race is superior over another race. Jews are inferior, black people are inferior. Right. So that is racism. And so that definitely exists on the right. How pervasive is it to people's day to day life? I think that's a separate conversation and we could discuss that. So I think it exists. I just think that the current B L M S where it's to the bones of America's racist and all of its institutions and systems, I don't think that's true. I don't think that's been true for quite a while, but I do think there is racism on the right. And I think when Nick Funes has jumps out the window calls him a Catholic, he should be condemned. You're not a Catholic, bro. You're not a Christian. Stop saying these things. Like you're out of control to say black people are inferior with IQ. This is a claim you made. IQ realism. It's not true. Look at the actual research. There's no, there's no evolutionary psychology. Which is evolutionary psychology. It goes back to the left somehow. But my, my, my ideas though, my questions would be though is number one, racism is not accepted culturally. It's explain that to me. So when black last matter happened, everybody was like racism is wrong, racism is wrong. I'm like everybody agrees. Everyone agrees. The real issue have is not racism. Like the issue, like Collins or black lives murder. I'm like, you're not a hero mate, that happened. I'm like you're a bit late. Stop stealing a Martin Luther's legacy. The issue we have at the moment is babies lives matter. The issue we have at the moment is Christians being butchered in the Middle East. The issue we have at the moment is last year 8,000 Christians got killed in Nigeria. The issue we have at the moment is thousands of Christians that are getting killed across the world. Some reason does liberal pastors like Hillsong people, they're very loud about racism. They're not loud about Christians in the Middle East. Sure. And that's a problem. They're only loud about black people in America. What about the black Christian Nigerians? Yeah. So I'm coming from the Middle East. I'm like, what is wrong with those people? Yeah. So for those. So Floyd was a criminal. Yeah. For whether you're like it or not. From your perspective. It's crazy. I agree. I mean, I think it's documented that he had a criminal background. From your perspective, you would say that these unjust scales, because that's what you're getting to, are more pervasive from liberal Christians. Liberal Christians. Let me respect. Let me respect a little bit. Do you not see the same unjust scale? Maybe you don't go flow in these circles. I flow in some of these reform Calvinist circles. Yeah. I have friends in these circles. There's racism in this circle. Yes. Bro. I don't know. But out mixed marriages are bad. My wife is black. Yeah. Right? Like you're an Egyptian. You know, your wife is. But that's not a biblical thing. It's invasive in these far right spaces. I'm saying it does exist. And I'm saying to pretend like it doesn't exist, but in Christian circles. I don't think it's accurate. Funny enough. I'm married to a wagyu. I know. Funny enough. Funny enough. Funny enough. I've seen racism more on the left side. From the left. Sure. So they would tell me you're literally, they would say to me, you're from the Middle East. You're not educated enough. Wow. They would tell me you're too dumb. You need to listen to me. Especially from white girls. For white girls? White girls. The most racist people are liberal white girls. They will tell black people how they're supposed to think. Sure. I talk to them all the time. Sure. And they tell me, you don't know what happens to your people. How come you're right winged on Trump supporter? You hate yourself. I'm like, I have a brain in case you didn't know. And I don't want you to fight for me. Yeah. And the problem is, I don't know which shot I'm on. I'm a black or white. I'm not really sure. Because I'm right winged, they'll say I'm white. But I'm like, they'll like to me. You hate yourself. I'm like, what? I'm like. Yeah. You're African. Yeah, you're true. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I'm sure I fit. And then they will tell me, because you matter of white girl, you're white. Yeah. I'm like, so that's, they're like, you know the white girl to go up on the social ladder of whiteness. So when they said this to you? Yeah. To your face. Yeah. Wow. That's pretty rich. Dude. When you live in a very like rich, it tends to be liberal, rich white girls. White liberal elites. Yeah. It's always white elites, man. And you talk to them and they're not interested. And they happen to be very passionate about refugees. The problem is they don't listen to us. Yeah. They'll like to meet your refugee. You don't know what's best for you. That's been tattoo before? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Tell me. Tell me. I actually find it more. Yeah. Clear racism. I think it's like an under fire. Sure. But the other side is racism under the name of empathy. Patronizing you. It's like, yeah. Yeah. And the thing is like growing up in the Middle East, I don't care if you're racist. Yeah. If you don't kill me, I'm sweet, man. So tell me about, you said that's how I say, I'm like, you don't like me. I'm like, it's okay. You said everybody can like me. You said Australia has open borders. Well, so it's all because I'm trying to figure it out. But we do. Like, we had 1.2 million refugees in the last three years. Yeah. So we have, because we're on Ireland, you can't just come in. Right. That's what I'm confused about. Well, it's technically from a policy POV, 1.2 million, the nation has like 28 million people. So theoretically, it's fundamentally changing three to 4%. So if you keep on doing this, after two election cycles, every few years we'll look at Australia. It's not the same at work. We had to move areas last year, because my area in Sydney, southwest became so Muslim, I was getting death threats. And most of these people coming from Muslim countries. Yeah. Wow. So what happened to me in Egypt does not happen to me to Australia. That's crazy. So now, I have to watch for my wife, I have to watch for our church for security. So I escaped Islam in the Middle East to find, come, then come here. And they're doing the exact same thing. Wow. They did in the Middle East. People like me and Bishop Maury, we escaped the Middle East to preach a gospel. We come here to find liberal white girl saying Islam, the religion of peace, and I'm an Islamic fabric. I'm like, they wanted to kill my family and me. It's very logical for a Christian to be fearful of Islam. It's very logical for you to be fearful of Islam. It's very logical for the religion that is at enemy with everybody. Like people look, or genocide, genocide, Israel committing genocide, I'm like, dude, Islam at the moment is waging war in Israel, Israel, Israel, Palestine, Islam at the moment is waging war in Sudan, North Sudan is Muslim, South Sudan is Christian, Islam at the moment is waging war in Nigeria, North Nigeria is Christian, South Nazism, Islam at the moment waging war between the Hindus, you got Bangladesh versus India, Islam at the moment, there is a lot of tension and drama in UK between the white Christians and between the Muslims. So Islam is waging war at the moment on every single front. If you really look what's happening, your region, Georgia, Turkey, Armenia, I don't even know what's happening there. What I do know is the media doesn't report on anything happening there. So to come from the Middle East to the West, and then I'm an Islamophobe, we literally had the terrorist police come to our church to check on me for potential hate incident. Like against you or you against Islam? Oh, wow. So I am the one committing hate. So I told them, so hey, dude, I came here as a refugee because Muslims wanted to kill me. And you're telling me I'm the terrorist? Yeah. I'm like, guess what? Yeah. According to liberal leftism, everything is inverted. It's, well, it's literally hinges on the removal of God. So right is wrong, wrong is right, left is right, right is left. What is woman? Well, trans woman a woman. Like it's, it's, it's, it's, so this systems of operation in the liberal Australia, which is ahead of you guys were watching the perpetrator become the victim and the victim become the perpetrator. Oof. Well, you're seeing it with trans woman and women. If trans woman and women take that principle, every single thing you're going to imagine is going to be reversed. What you call evil, good and good evil, watch as justice becomes injustice and injustice becomes just. So it's very interesting coming here and watching this weed alliance between the left and Islam hashtag quiz for Palestine. Yeah. It's the horse route theory, right? Yeah. You go on the other extreme of both the, the Islamic extremism and the leftist extremism and they both meet at like, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's mind blowing like, I am so mind blown. I never would have thought in my wildest dreams coming here that I find the left and Islam together. Because Islam in the middle of his skill gates, he their best friend was guys, like the LGBTQ queen for Palestine. I'm like. It's incompatible. I am so confused. Yeah. But they, the, the, the radical Islam in, in the Middle East, they don't think like the West thinks, but they know how the West thinks and how to appeal to them. Yeah. And they are very faithful to the history, like one of the biggest things Americans and people are like, why do Muslims come here on the Israel? I'm like, because they know the history, like we have been living in an ancient war, like Islam have conquered Egypt, Egypt used to be Christian. You asked me, how did Egypt become Muslim with war? It was holy jihad, Islam took other Egypt, but holy jihad, Mohammed went to Egypt and send the Christian leader. The word Islam to Cecilum, he told him, if you surrender, you will have peace Islam doesn't mean peace Islam means peace when you surrender, peace if you surrender. It's a double word. So also the Islam means peace. No, it doesn't. Islam means peace if you surrender. So Mohammed send that paper to the leader of Egypt, Islam to Cecilum, meaning have surrender and you will have peace. Then he was like, I'm very scared. So he sent him a slave girl called Miriam al-Kuptea, so Mohammed took her. He married her, he slept with her and apparently that's the most holy man in the history of the world. I'm not sure what how. Again, I don't want to be headed after this just thing, but that was the reality. So Mohammed left Egypt for a little bit and then the guy after him over the last, he went and took over Egypt by force. Now at this point of time, there was two big problems in the church. Funny enough, the church was arguing about minute issues, what color code should a priest wear? It's always this, which is a lot of Christians at the moment, arguing over Mary and Mary did you know and all that stuff. I'm like, dude, we're not in the 1980s. The West is no longer Christian. Like we're now going from 90% Christian in Australia, we're 40. So the tension is no longer Protestant, Catholic, whatever, Gothic. The tension is Christian liberal and Islam and in the West. So the other thing that happened and it was a very interesting account of Egypt was that there was actually back then a lot of gay men in Egypt because Christianity is a very nice religion. So we tend to be very socially liberal. This stuff doesn't happen in Islamic world because we're full of grace, we're full of love. Our love and grace can go too far that we allow us into flourish. So one of the accounts of why did God let Egypt become Muslim by force, by war, a lot of the ancient historians said it was because men were gay and it was because men were dressed like women. So the full of Egypt happened because of the feminization of men. And this is thousands of years ago. That sounds, it's crazy. When I read the historical account, I actually have it somewhere, when I read the historical account, I was shocked. It's said that not because of Islam that God gave us to Islam, but because of our sin, they're very important. Muslim people say, Christianity is dying in the West, Islam is a true religion. I'm like, no. Islam is not the reason Christianity is declining, Islam is because Christianity is declining. It's very important. It's replacing. It's replacing. It's not because Christianity isn't working. It's because passes are liberal and work. The problem we have in the West, coming from the Middle East, is that men are womanized and they don't know it because of the sex revolution in the 1960s. Most men in the West are feminist and therefore they're feminized. They are womanized and this is why they're weak and work. And when you have feminized better soy, when you have feminized better soy, boy men, they value love with that truth. They value empathy or that courage. And they don't value strength. That's why when you ask Collins, is homosexuality a sin? He's like, I love people. And I'm like, I didn't say that you hate people. So the problem that you're facing was liberal Christianity is feminist, feminized, woman asked Christianity. It's beautiful when women act like women, but when men act like women, it's not good. It's not beautiful. It's weird. It's gay. It's not cool. So the problem we have in the West is that men are women and they don't know it. Okay. And the problem we have in the West is that men are women and they don't even know it. And most... Sounds like a trans right picture, but forgive me. I literally was talking to the guy, I told them most pastors are women stuck in a man's body and they don't know it. That's funny. And that's why when I talk like that, they get very, like you're very hateful. How dare you offend people? And I'm like, since when the gospel is measured by offense, the gospel is supposed to be offensive. The gospel is offensive to those who are perishing. Offense is a mark of the gospel name. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's very simple. Many will believe and get saved. Many will reject it and hate it. And that's okay. Not everybody is going to get saved. So going back to Hillsong, we encountered this feminized gospel. And this feminized gospel, it doesn't answer questions. You will never, like every time Israel is in, they'll say, love God and love people. And I'm like, can you answer the question? Should Christians have an abortion? I love God and love people. We just love people. It's feminized Christianity. And that's why the emphasis is love. Is there every time where they would counsel people through this stuff privately at Hillsong? I'm not sure about all the details, but organizationally and publicly on platform, there was silence. And eventually, silence, whatever you tolerate, the next generation, celebrate. Whatever you're silent about, the devil screams about. So eventually, silence becomes celebration. Yeah. It's just weird. Yeah. But potentially God at the top, a very biblically theological conservative. But the bottom wasn't. And you know, it's the classic, well, how can you, how can you expect the next generation no homosexual is a sin when he doesn't say it? Yeah. Like it's, no, I get you. I don't understand. I don't understand. The tough part is that that actually doesn't serve the homosexual. Yeah. Well, that doesn't serve them well. If you are saying, hey, the most folks at the top of the organization are theologically conservative. That's what they say. Well, we don't talk about it. So then what ends up happening is gay people come. They're told that you're loved and you belong. And then they want to lead a worship song. Yeah. And someone goes, no, but not, you can't be a leader. You can be on a worship team. You could be in the background, but you can't lead a song. You could serve as an usher, but you can't be a leader. Well, you had that case in the Collins saga, if you remember. That young guy said, I wasn't told. Well, guess what? That was a culture of Hillsong, right? The culture was don't talk. Yeah. Tell them we love you. That's it. Yeah. And eventually the sad reality, the person gets extremely offended. I think I came across there's two types of liberal Christians. You got the emotional guys, like Collins, and you got the philosophical guys like Tim Keller. Okay. You think Tim Keller is a liberal? Of course. Okay. Have you heard all the things in his shirt? I haven't sat with his stuff. There was a whole thing in Meghan Beshen's book about how they were young. So there's two types of liberals. There's philosophical liberal. This is academic class. Sure. They are infiltrated by the wisdom of the age. They're very smart, Andy Stanley. That's really, they know how to make liberalism sound very biblical. Sure, sure. But when you look at them, they get you away from the Bible. That's how you test a liberal. Is there a goal? I think you had one of them. What's that? Tim? Yeah. So here's the distinction I will paint. Yeah. Tim will tell you that there are aspects of what we would all agree to as Orthodox Christian, that he disagrees with, right? So homosexuality, he doesn't think is a sin, abortion. He doesn't think is a sin. And he's clear about it. So I respect it, like at least you're clear and you're to the point on what you actually believe on these things. What you're saying, and I would agree with you for someone like a Carl, not a Carl Linz, but an Andy Stanley, like I think Andy Stanley is liberal in some of his theology, but on the surface, he's still saying things that he can serve it. So they tend to be very smart, educated, just rich white girls that are like me? Yeah. They're the same. People like Tim Keller, they're very passionate about refugees. We had in Hillsong a lot of those guys. And they're like, yeah, we should allow Muslim refugees. I'm like, dude, Christians escaped the Middle East for you to come to find a white liberal pastor defending Islam. It's that you say Tim Keller was defending Islam. No, no, not Tim Keller. It was a few big parts of the hillside. But they are the refugee welcome refugee camp. And I'm a refugee. And I was so offended. Like I remember my wife said to me, they told me in Hillsong color conference, we need to allow all refugees, including Muslims, and I was like, what? I'm like, these and they were like, we shouldn't fear guide us. We should let love. I'm like Muslims kill Christians. What do you mean by you shouldn't allow them here? Like have you seen what happened to Egypt? Have you seen what happened in Turkey? Have you seen what happened in Algeria? Have you seen what happened Armenian for a season? Have you seen what happened in Assyria? Have you seen what happened in Israel? Have you seen what happened in Jordan? Have you seen what happened in Libya? I'm like, this is not, this is just what's empathy. It's just stupidity, you know what I mean? So you got the philosophical liberals, which is tend to be people who go to university. They're very smart, sophisticated. So before you know it, they get infiltrated by the wisdom of the age. You know what I mean? And remember, their goal is to take Christianity away from the Bible. It's very simple. You think there's Tim Keller's goal though? No, no, no, no, he wasn't malicious. He wasn't, look, I loved him, Keller. I grew up watching him. But he had a tendency to get people away from sanctification into liberalism. And they say it's not theological liberalism, it's political liberalism, but political liberalism eventually to theological liberalism. And I do not, I do not believe you can be theologically conservative and politically progressive. That's an oxymora. Sure, sure. But I don't need to think. It's politically progressive. On his taxation? Yeah. Um, he said social, socialism, he said the Bible doesn't offer a way that a system of government. No, he was very progressive on that abortion. He said, he doesn't fully believe that government should make abortion illegal. These are, these are direct quotes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Well, he was in New York. It's understandable. He was attracting a millennial crowd. Sure. But he was the smart. Yeah, yeah. I got you. He was the smart version. Yeah. Um, they call it with some Christianity. You remember that term? What does it even mean? I think Munson means that you can be polite and kind in speaking the truth to people. I think that's what it's supposed to mean. It's polite and it's a biblical virtue. Is that again? It's a polite and it's a biblical virtue. I was saying kindness is a biblical virtue. It's a kindness is a spirit as a fruit of the spirit. So kindness. But what about politeness? Because that's an English virtue. Define polite versus kind. Well, that's the problem. Is this all these funny virtues that they keep on bringing in polite, nice, winsome? It's buzzwords that are not very biblical. Okay. Tell me the difference. What's the difference between those words and kind? What is kindness? Kindness is very different because it's kindness, eventually it's the repentance. So God's kindness is repentance. And kindness, 100% has a truth element. Sure. Kindness is not a fake marketing scheme where like those historian, team killer, with the girl left the church, lots of years later, because she figured out they don't, they believe abortion is the sin, but she only figured out that after going there for a few years. Yeah, that's wrong. Well, it's, Hillsong was the same. It's affiliate marketing. You tell people, Jesus loves you. What do you believe Jesus loves you? What do you believe? You understand Jesus loves you. And then four years later, you look back and, and they're like, wait, I'm a sexuality citizen. Like you never told me. Yeah. Um, abortion is wrong. I got you. So it's kind of. It's kind of. I'm dying to tell people the truth. I'm with you. So should you, so that's my question. Is it deceptive to not tell people what you believe? Yeah. I would say it is deceptive. So the, the win some Christian crown, their goal is that their idea is let sugar coat the gospel. Okay. So it's just, it's a buzzword. Sure. That doesn't, it's a very dangerous, it's so let me, let me, let me, let me paint a picture for you. Yeah. So we can, we can look up the words and look up the distinction. No, no, the crowd. No, no, no. I get you. I would do it. And I think that's wrong wins them. And I was like just for the record. I think that's wrong. Yeah. I think if someone's in your church for years and they don't know that you think homosexuality is the same. That's wrong. If you don't, if you don't know, you think abortion is the next wrong. Yeah. Here's how I describe it. So when people ask me the gay question, what do you think about homosexuality, right? This is all my answer. It's a sin. However, any sin, any sex outside of one man, one woman, covenants who marriage is a sin. That means friends with benefits. That means manipulating the girl in church, cheating on your wife, that means masturbation, that means porn. That means everything included. And then I'll give an example, I'll give an outlandish example, let me give you this example. I'll give an example. And I say, you know, once upon a time, I had a buddy that was in my accountability group and he was so proud that he didn't struggle with porn. But instead of not struggling with porn, you know what he would do? He would get on the ground, find the carpet and rub one out as he was humping the ground until he finished. And I would say that is just sinful too, that is sexual perversion. And so God is against all of it. Sexual immorality. It's all of it. It's a junk short term to say everything is out. Right. And so instead of isolating and saying, the gay is an abomination and they're evil and they're sick and they're perverted, I'd say, all of it is perverted, all of it is wrong. Is that winsome or is that telling them the fortune? No, they don't say that. No, no, I'm saying, I'm giving you an example. This is what I say. No, that's true. Yeah. Well, personally, I talked to a lot of gay people. I'm very polite, of course, but I'm talking about public stance. Absolutely. I'm talking about when you stand on the pulpit. Sure. I'm going to call a spader spade. Yes. Oh, are you going to dance around and play? You see them. So Karlens was infiltrated by the spirit of the age, the emotional crowd. I told you charismatic are very emotional, so Karlens doesn't really have a proper world view. He's just an emotional mess. Tim Keller is the theological version of him, which they are infiltrated by, they call the wisdom of the age, which is they spend a lot of time in academia and by nature, academics tend to be anti-god. Academia, historically, left leaning, they always move people away from the Bible towards some deeper truth, deeper concept. Academics tend to be two things other time. Academics become liberal and anti-scriptures, because scripture is an old book. So by nature, their goal is to progress. And they're always competing with, like, oh, I'm an evolutionist Christian, because I want to be accepted by the academic circle, oh, you should take your COVID vaccine, because I want to be accepted by the circle, or look down, save lives, because you got that tension in the academic world. Academics always land in liberal world, not in absent of them. It's not a conspiracy. Not just that, they always land in communist socialist world, because academics are living on the tower of ideas. They always tell me as a pastor what to do, and I'm like, can you go and lead a church yourself? Yeah. They tell you how to... Because I think there's good people right now, we just had Wes Huff on, Wes Huff, the big blue person. He's an academic of an academic. That wants a different percent. Okay, so ten percent or one percent, because you said nine percent. Well, it depends on institution, you got Anglicans, but you're looking at maximum ten percent. Okay. In fact, conservative academics get bullied out of universities. It's a well-known... I think I came across the stats where in the religion at the moment, globally 95 percent of academics in the religion world are liberal, in the science world is like 99, in the engineering world was the least. I think 70 percent are liberal, 30 percent are conservative. In the mathematics world, it's becoming very big liberal, that's why, say, math is racist. So academics, they have it historically, they have an instinct to liberalism. And the reason, because they're not practical, like, there's always a tech, that's why they hate Trump, because Trump represents the populist voice of the truck driver. He's like, "Dude, I'm trying to make money and feed my family. I don't care about your philosophical... Sure. Like, I'm just going to put fuel in the truck. I don't care about climate change, I'm trying to buy a home. So academics always have an instinct toward liberalism and socialism and utopia. Yeah, one day there's going to be a world where we're going to be thinking... And some of this is because the influence of fundamentalism about 100 years ago, that has had a lot of questions flee the academic institutions in the West, right? Because Oxford, Harvard, these are all Christians started schools and people left, and the same thing happened in the cities, the Christians left the cities. Some of this could be self-imposed, Christians leading... We need to infiltrate the academic community back. Right. Right. That's just getting up. Part of it, though, is culture, because what changed the whole game was Darwin and Karl Marx. So pre-Darwin and Karl Marx, most academics were Christendom. Darwin introduced the bull crab theory of you're a monkey, a mama's a monkey, everybody's a monkey. And then before you know it, the whole academic world went from Christian to atheist. And then Marx introduced socialism, and now, critical race theory, that socialism. Now we have all academics. If you don't believe in equity, you are a bigger Christian. So I think academia is very dangerous as a pastor, and that's coming, I studied theology for three years. I didn't finish my degree, though, is that the problem is that academics also tend to be the enemies of the people. Because they live on the high tower of ideas, and the working class are just working. So you eventually end up with this big thing, the academics will say, "Well, if we look at the economy, COVID will go." And I'm like, "That's so dumb." Like, you really think, like, I remember when that policy came out, like, "Who made up that stuff?" I mean, you guys liked it. You guys liked it. I'm really hard in Australia. Two years of lockdown. That was intense. We had two years of lockdown. I guess I had those camps where they sent people. They didn't want to. Yeah. We had drones going around buildings. We lived in an apartment. We had the helicopter come every night down with lights to make sure in the home, we're only allowed to walk five kilometers, you couldn't go, you can only go to the shops like once a day. We were in prison for two years. And that was an academic expertise response. Sure. I'm very skeptical of academia, particularly academia that doesn't have connection to the ground. I think reality is a mixture between intellectual thinking and between execution. And at the moment, we have an academic class that will come out and say, "Jesus, welcome the refugees." I'm like, "Awesome. What about the guy that got stabbed by a dangerous refugee? Have you actually seen the effect of your ideology?" Or, "The kingdom of God is about equity." I'm like, "Awesome. People are working very hard and getting taxed a lot." Yeah. Yeah. No, I get you. It's this weird, yeah. Again, to me, there's a distinction between a Tim from the New Evangelicals, who is an overtly progressive in every way, shape, or form, and a Tim Keller or even a Carl Lynch. So, Tim Keller, actually, when you go to all the progressive Christians, he's their favorite. Is he really? Yeah, he is. Interesting. Well, every movement needs a philosophical genius. Okay, so when you say progressive Christians, what do you mean about that? That term is very hard now, because you got... Usually, when I'm saying progressive Christians, I mean, I mean... Who do you mean I'm calm as? I mean... No, I would say someone else. LGTB. LGTB. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Affirming someone else with a portion. That's usually my line. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a spec. Sure. So, one of the most favorite theologians to all my Hillsong pastor friends with Tim Keller, he is the one that provides words and big explanations to very liberal ideas. So, for example, he was very open-minded on socialism, which is high taxation. He said, "Christian doesn't offer a clear political system forward economically." I'm like, "Yeah, but the Bible also does say, if you don't work, you don't eat." So we do believe in work. Tim Keller, to an extent, he was very open-minded on socialism. He was open-minded on abortion. He said... You can google it quickly. Tim Keller said it's about... He said, "The Bible said thou should not worship any other God." It doesn't mean it was before, a few months before he died, I hope, rest in peace. And he said, "The Bible doesn't say... The Bible said you should worship the God with all your heart and your soul. It doesn't mean I'm going to pass a law that everybody should worship Jesus." And then he said the same thing with abortion. So, it was this... It's theological gymnastics. You know what I mean? And you can probably should get Meghan Besham if you came across that. Yeah, here's the thing with issue with Meghan Besham is that I think our hypothesis is accurate. It does seem like there's leftist organizations, George Soros types that have influenced some of these higher Christian institutions. Well, they're now the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church? Sure. I mean, they are now the Catholic Church. So, the moment a church becomes institutional, that's when they become merged with the spirit of the age and the wisdom of the age. And so, she made a good case for some of this happening with funding, activism funding from the progressive side going in. The issue, though, is that she went after Gavin Orland, who is as independent and far removed from that as you can get, and basically called him an environmentalist, an alarmist. And he's not at all, like in the slightest bit. And so, I think in her attempt to paint a picture, she kind of was sloppy with some of that, and that specific chapter, where there's some stuff credited to him that he just, he's never said he doesn't believe, and he's not a tree hooker, like Gavin. Yeah. And he's an independent guy. He's not connected. She calls it a big EV. So, I think like her presupposition, which she is saying is probably accurate, but I think she was a bit messy in how she went about it. And some people caught straight as shit. So, I think the fence... And I have asked her to come on my channel for the record. Yeah. I have reached out to her. I've asked her to come on my channel. I haven't checked the whole case. Sure. So, the fence grew as a Middle Eastern. I can't handle them. No, I get it. Like, it's coming from the Middle East. So, let me ask you this. It's very hard for me coming from the Middle East. I get it. And watching people... Are they the same way with communism? Just so you know. I grew up in real communism. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. I grew up in Soviet Russia. Yeah. Yeah, how can they worship, when they can worship, how long they can worship. They told us how many people are around in the building. We had, like, a cure code where every single person had to scan a code to the government knows their location and what church they went to. Yeah. And then you get people like Tim Keller saying, "vaccine this, vaccine that I'm like, stop mingling with the wisdom of the age." I don't mind if you're silent. But what I do in mind is that every time the liberal side of government say something and you happen to be upon it, COVID was a spiritual IQ test. And I think people are trying to run away from it, particularly the fence buses, but we need to go back to it. Okay. So does the way church run come from government or come from God? And that's a very important question because in Australia now, we are seeing it with the gay agenda. We're seeing it with every, as I said to you before, we're seeing with every issue that the government is telling us what we can and we can't do. So let me ask you this. So COVID was just a test. The gay agenda is going to be on the chopping block next. After the gay agenda, you're going to see, they're going to just keep on adding. And before you know it, you're going to be living in a state where the state is the moral guidance of the world, not the church. Let me ask you a question. You've laid out a lot of, I think, right concerns about the left. I think I think you've spot on in all of that. In the same way you feel about this stuff is how I feel about Soviet Russia and communism because I grew up with food rations. I grew up experiencing real communism. So I'm with you. I have to say, I have similar concerns. Can you steal man any of the concerns coming from the right though? Yeah. Because that, I want to hear you. So there's two things in Australia, we don't even have conservatives. Okay. So we are talking about globally in America, sure, globally. I do think we cross this conservatism, which is conservatives without the Bible. I'm like, if you are trying to be conservative without the Bible, what are you trying to conserve? Yeah. Yeah. It's the conservatives that want the blessing of God, but they don't want God. They want the blessing of Christendom, but they don't want Christianity. They want the fruit of America, but not the pathway of America, which is godliness. And we have to make sure that people need to understand like America would not be successful with the blessing of God. The reason America made this part, so you got to make sure that we go back and understand that it is Jesus who will fix our economy, it is Jesus who will fix the message nation is in. So I do see the dangerous ideology of conservatism with that Christ. And that's why they're very funny. Like you can see in the right wing circles now, they're accepting to homosexual marriage. I don't care what you do. If you're gay, you can do whatever you want. I'm just at the past, I'm saying the biblical. And then right wing circles are becoming soft on it. You see that with abortion, like we are not because the thing is today's, today's conservative is yesterday's progressive today's progressive is tomorrow's conservative. Men can get pregnant. It's used to be like, are you crazy? Now that's considered conservative. I'm like 50 years ago, liberals, that's considered mentally ill, if you think men can get pregnant. So the problem is we have conservatism is that they don't have a reference point, and the reference point is the Bible. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Reference points. What is the reference point? Yeah. Reference points got standard. So that's good. What are the concerns you have from the right? Do you have anything you think of? So I see that's a massive one. I think in America, too, one of the big things I see is probably American isolationism. Like you got the whole thing, we don't want to help Israel. We don't want to help this. We don't help that. And I'm like, it's very dangerous because God has blessed America to be the superpower of the world. Their job, one of the main jobs of America is to make sure the world is stable to an extent. That is the blessing of being a superpower. So if Israel is lost, do you understand the Middle East is going to be a totalitarian hellhole? If you think that will not bite you back in 40 years, you're crazy. If you think as Russia becomes more powerful, more aggressive, it will not eventually go after you. You're crazy. The reality is communism and Islam are expensive. American isolationism, which is which want to keep America safe and strong, it's very dangerous because the world doesn't work that way. Because communism hinges on the world becoming more communist. That's why Russia, I mean, Russia, China, South Korea, North Korea, they work together and Russia is expanding to Ukraine. They want communism by nature is expensive. China is always influencing Australia policy, they're influencing Africa. The Middle East. It's the one. It's the one. Africa right now. I mean, China is kind of colonizing Africa all over again because communism is expensive. Islam is expensive too. Islam has a vision of taking over the world. So you're saying that Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, stay out of Israel and stop interfering. It's a good idea, but it's not. It's not. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Look, I hope that's true, but the problem is your enemies are not doing and that's coming from someone in the Middle East. Muslim people are very expensive. They want to take the world. Like I grew up seeing people say one day we're going to grow up, I'm going to take over America. America is going to be Muslim. They said this. Yeah. When 9/11 happened, I was in Egypt. My dad was in New York preaching. And then all my friends were like celebrating, yeah, 9/11 victory to Allah death to America. That was my friend. And then nice people, man. Wow. Nice people. Like Muslims and nice people. And I love Muslims. But the problem is the world view. The world. It's a problem is Islam is a virus. Yeah. Once they get your head. So do you think like the Tucker Carlson, the Candace Owens type, the folks that don't want to help Israel, the folks that see them? You're in trouble. So what do you think that is? Like, do you think? Do you think? I think this is its Western pride. It's Western pride. I call it Western pride because because growing up in the East, I'm like, they want to take over and they will they will keep on sending refugees. They will keep on sending immigrants. They will keep on making babies. They will keep on making their men men. You're you're transing your kids. You're butchering your kids. You are aborting your kids. You're feminizing your kids. You're liberalizing your kids. And they're like, this is awesome. And then, and then, like, Israel is massive, like, even if you don't believe in Israel theologically as a Christian, you need to believe in it politically. Israel is the only democratic state with democracy, freedom. I said to you before in Egypt, I will be in jail now. I can go to Israel. Nothing will happen to me. I can preach a gospel anywhere. You can be gay. You can be Muslim. You can be whatever the heck that you want. Israel is the only region in the whole place that has freedom. If we lose a number one, the Islamic world will form the Khalifa again, the caliphate. Can you imagine that? Like, people felt Joe Biden said a very smart statement when he was young. He said, even if Israel is not real, we're going to have to make it real. That's a political statement. America's interest is found when the Middle East is split. If the Middle East collide, you got from East to the West, you got Iran, Iran, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, all this world, and you got Egypt, North Africa, Libya, and Yugoslavia, Arabia. If these guys combine, America's finished, think so. Well, they have the numbers, they have the money, all they need is technology. They can probably buy it, and China wouldn't mind helping a little bit. That's crazy. That's a darn thing. What do you make of the fallen Syria recently? Oh, dude, there's a secular government that fell, right? Dude, it's heartbreaking. The Middle East is so heartbreaking because you either have a secular dictator or an Islamist al-Qaeda type of Christian king monster. And that's who took over Syria, right? That's it. So that new guy is actually, he was trained by us as slash al-Qaeda, so he's a terrorist. He's actually a terrorist. Islam called him freedom fighting, he's not a freedom fighter, he's a terrorist. And what happened to people of Syria is that because they were so oppressed, they're choosing another devil. But little did they know, the next devil is worse. And the big consequences for this whole thing is going to be Christians being killed and tortured, because secular dictators, they just after you're not interfering politically. Islamic dictators, they're going to interfere with your religion. So Syria at the moment is less than 2% Christian. It went from 90% Christian to 2% Christian. That's what Bishop Murray Murray originally was from Assyrian. You never want to call an Assyrian Syrian, because that's the whole thing. I thought it was from Iraq, are Iraqis also Syrians? I'm not, it's a very big mess. But the sad reality is that Christianity can potentially be wiped out from that region. Turkey is 99.999% Muslim, and it was consumable. We're in a very dangerous place. We need to pray for Syria. But at the same time, every dictator has a time. So it's gods, you're looking at all these events, and you have to trust God's sovereignty. It's Babylon, King Nebuchadnezzar. I'm watching when at a very interesting time, because kings and queens are being replaced. And I hope America isn't. Because when you, by the way, see this political tension, I think we live in a very dangerous time. I think the frustrating part for me is that I love going to Israel, and I think I had a really amazing time in the Armenian Quarter. Right before October 7th, there was over 100,000 Armenians displaced from Azerbaijan. And so Azerbaijan, that's where I was born in Baku, massive displacement in the late 80s with the programs of Baku, and then just recently, right, just right before October 7th. The frustrating part for me is that Israel doesn't officially recognize the Armenian genocide, and has worked with Azerbaijan for weapons. And Azerbaijan is very hostile towards the Armenian Christians. And so-- And they're like 90% Muslim? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like one of those. Yeah. And so you have a potential alliance, in my opinion, it should be a no-brainer right between the Armenians and Israelis, and for whatever reason, there isn't any support. And so you've got Armenia, this small Christian country sandwiched in between Turkey and Azerbaijan. You know, with Iran to its south, and it is not a ton of support for it. This is political nightmare. I do not agree with that at all. And this is a reality. Like, Israel potentially supported the ISIS group, ISIS/Ocada guy for taking over Bashar Assad. Politics was ugly. I think-- Yeah. I am team Israel philosophically, theologically, politically, but I don't support every single decision that I make. Sure. Because it's not a cult. Yeah, I mean, I think anyone should support anything-- Exactly. You won't need to understand. There will be mistakes. And instead of Israel, of course, they're doing their own political horrific decisions. Of course. Like, for example, that whole Bashar Assad, they destroyed his army. You wouldn't be able to destroy it Bashar Assad. It was their Israel army that destroyed the Bashar Assad army. And then you had that terrorist coming with his freedom fighters and bingo, because how did they destroy an army? But politically, it's good for them. Because-- Well, it's good for them right now. Oh, it's going to turn on later. Yeah, it's good for them right now. Look. This is ugly stuff. Like Saddam Hussein. What did America go to kill Saddam Hussein? I don't agree, but I also agree. So I don't agree that the fact that there was no more for the mass destruction. Number two, Saddam Hussein was replaced with ISIS. Yeah. So it got worse. Saddam Hussein was a bad dictator. Yeah. So God used them. It's complicated. It's complicated. Look, you look at these things, and you're like, well, God raised the Assyrians to punish Israel, God raised the Babylonian to punish you, that God raised Darius in the Persian Empire to punish Babylon, God raised Greek. So it's for God, he's playing chess. And we're just a little piece of, like, sometimes you look, you're like, what is God doing? I'm like, God is just settling his own personal account through sovereignty. Are you hopeful in terms of what seems to be shifting on a global stage, meaning that in America, specifically, Bible sales are up 22%, right? There's more and more people coming to faith. 100%. And are you guys feeling this over in Australia? I get it. You know, Hillsong isn't as powerful as it was anymore. You're going, Megavawa, you guys have a church, right? A thousand people on a Sunday. Are you seeing a shift happening? We are seeing we, since COVID, our church has doubled, since COVID, our church has doubled every single year, but 100%, we have seen multitudes of people who are not a Christian. That's why I'm very passionate about politics and war, that stuff, because this is the bridge that we have at the moment, because people are looking in the world and they're like, it doesn't make sense. And I'm like, how awesome is that the Bible offers us solutions and answers? Like, one of the biggest summaries of our church, as we're addressing the LGBTQ sex cult, is that we had a young person that came to our church, he was in school, and he was like going to trans himself. So he will come in, he'll be wearing a dress, I'm like, dude, why are you wearing a dress? Stop wearing a dress. He'll go to the girls to let our Sunday security team get him out. His mom got saved and we'll figure out he was actually indoctrinated at school. It was a school that we're teaching and stuff. So I told his mom, hey, get him out. She got him out. Lots of complications happened. He called, he ran away, he called the police on her, which is very common in Australia. You can call the police on your parents if they don't have a gender firm. In Melbourne, they can take away your kids. This is a gay cult. I call it the LGBTQ sex cult because it's a cult. I'm not going to take you kid if I'm not a Christian, we're not a cult, it's your kid, your responsibility. So he runs away until finally I told her, hey, you do not change the rules of the house. If he's in the house, he's going to come to church and he's not going to dress like a girl. She let him go. Obviously, he eventually reached rock bottom. He comes back running home. He comes to church every week and he hated me like he hated me a few months later. I could imagine him not being a fan of you. And then a few months later, like mom, I'm not a trans anymore. I'm gay. Awesome. I'm like, step in the right direction. This is awesome. I was like, at least you're not going to cut your body parts. That was a big thing, man. Some people in Australia, they can do all these trans surgeries, government funded. Oh, my God. So your tax dollars are going towards this stuff. It has multiplied about at least 200% in the last year. It's a multi-billion dollar industry. Some people plan parents with abortion, cutting body parts. It's a business. It's very horrific. And I think parts that are not speaking, good old liberal car lengths or racism, racism, watch in 20 years time when we see the thousands of kids that bought you their body parts. And you were the silent pastor. You're talking about racism. Well, I mean, the transition is already a huge movement, you know, online and just starting to see more and more folks that have been transitioning the horse. This is, by the way, transgenderism and abortion are the racism of our time. It's very important for people not to get stuck in the 1960s or racism, black lives matter. I'm like trans lives matter, actually matter. So that young guy becomes gay a few weeks later, like, I'm a Christian. I'm a Christian. Really? Awesome. Yeah. Wow. And then I'm not gay. And then we baptised him like last year. And it was crazy, man. Like I don't normally cry, but his mum, the whole church. It was crazy. So young people, man, we're seeing millennials in Gen Z turned towards God. That left us cult of LGBTQ racism, sexism. People are not falling for it. I think they did just a start, a count last few weeks ago, 37% of Gen Z males in Australia, which is awesome, same as America, are very open to Christianity, which is, they said, it's the first time ever under 100 years for males. Now it's the woman who hostile to Christianity. Oh, yeah. And it's understandable because women are not supposed to be the head of the house. So left us love women. You know, the election between Kamala and Donald Trump, it was men versus women. That's why the Bible said it was a woman who was deceived, not the men. So women across the West are deceived, they're depressed, they're not getting married, they are overweight, blue-headed, and hairy, and feminism has told them. He said it's hairy. And then, and then the left is telling them, you're saying because they don't shave? Yeah, yeah. Well, I haven't seen the new trend. I'm sorry. And then, I just wasn't expecting you to slide that in there. And then, and then the left is telling them, hey, men, yeah. And the issue with women, they were the start that came out from ourselves, of course, we were studying women believe the media more than reality. So because they're very impressionable. That's why the Bible said it was a woman who was deceived, not the men. Then they can be easily manipulated. That's the reason you need male hardship. So the problem at the moment is at the moment you're having this war between men and women where the media is manipulating the women and men are growing up and be like, wait for a second, religion has not killed a lot of people. Jesus is Lord, we need to get married. I need to lead, provide, protect my family. And we're watching men become Christian everywhere. And men become Christian, they're good news about women, once they get married, they become Christian. So you don't need to worry about them. It's beautiful. They'll follow the leadership. And then the kids become Christian. And before you know it, you change a man, you change a family, you change a community, you change a city, and you change a nation. And the problem we have at the moment is just men. We need good, strong men are really thing. Yeah, you get the men, the women will follow, the children will follow, that's a fact. So I'm very hopeful. And in Australia, when the persecution gets higher, the Bible gets bigger. So we're fighting. I'll probably be going to need you at some point when they arrest me. I'll give you a call to do a quibi. I'll do what I can. But I'm not scared. Where is it? Is there a thing where you have to have security? Because you're safety wise for Islam, yes. Like, if they did that to Bishop Murray Murray, and he wasn't that loud about stuff, I don't know the future, but I'll tell you my story. So one of the reasons I'm very courageous about what I do, my dad converted the particular woman in Egypt. She was Muslim. Her husband was part of Muslim brotherhood, which is like the Hamas of Egypt. In fact, Hamas came out of Muslim brotherhood, if you do Google research. You can just check that. So my dad converted that woman and she became a Christian and he baptized it, which is illegal. Her husband, who was part of Muslim brotherhood, was very, very angry and furious. So he wanted to kill me and my younger brother, John, and cut our heads off, and then sent to my dad, our body and heads, as a punishment for taking his most precious person in his life. So he got two of his friends who were Muslim brotherhood. They killed a lot of Christians. It's very easy for them or little kids, who were like I was like a year three or two. My brother was in a kindergarten, so they made a plan that every day as we go to school we used to catch this big yellow bus that they will come at 7 a.m. and quickly before the bus come they will kidnap us, take us, behead us, send our bags and head in a bag. Because your dad baptized us with this Muslim woman. This Muslim woman. So this happened. They come, him and the men, they're waiting. We come down. As my brother started walking, they freeze and they couldn't move. They could not move to touch us until we went into the yellow bus, the bus drove all the way to the street and as the buses appeared they started moving. They were like what the heck is happening, you coward, you guys can't kill little Christian kids. We killed Christian daughter them. How dare you? So the guy was like very angry. He came again but he brought bigger men and other men because he was very determined to finish a job, cut my head off me and my younger brother, behead us and chuck us in a little bag and send it to my dad because he was like I'm going to take from you the most precious thing. You took my wife, I'm going to take your children. He does it again. He comes with this big men seven M in the morning. He comes downstairs, me and my brother start to go down to the yellow bus and as we're about to come down they felt the force, take their hand and tie their hand behind their head. They couldn't move. They froze. They froze until me and my brother went to the bus. The bus drove to the end of the street and we disappeared. Now we didn't know this story at all. I didn't even know that was happening. If I knew that was happening I would have been very scared. We only know this because he came a few weeks later to my dad and he told him your God protected your children from my evil hands. Your kids are supposed to be dead. He said to him, your God protected you. You have no idea your kids are supposed to be dead and he became a Christian and he got baptized and he now is living in a secret place. I don't know where he's living. She asked my dad and he became a Christian. So I'm not scared of the Muslims and people because I'm supposed to be dead and the reason I'm very passionate about being a courageous, biblically faithful Christian against people like liberal, servo, car lengths and all his style of people is because people are getting killed in the Middle East and you're playing politics with the Bible. It's not okay. It's not okay. I know that the Lord saved my life so I can come to America and tell people, be strong, be courageous, speak truth to power, speak Christ the culture, speak God to the government. Don't be intimidated. And hey, as really we land, the same way Islam became God's judgment on Egypt for rejecting Christianity, for the sake of liberalism. I said that to Australia and the UK, Islam will be God's judgment on the West if it failed, if it abandoned or the docks of the docks Christianity for the sake of theological liberalism. Because Muslims are strong men. Now we have a bunch of soy boy males like car lengths who when Islam comes next to him, can you imagine if those people are very scared of saying homosexuality sin, can you imagine what will happen if a church got bombed? They're not going to be in church. If they run away from a virus at 3% death rate, can you imagine what will happen if your priest or your pastor got stabbed in church? Islam will be God's judgment on the West and America if it abandoned Christianity for the sake of liberalism. And this by the way, historically proven, yeah, well, Egypt, Egypt, Algeria, the whole story of the Middle East, you started the whole thing. How did it happen to Egypt? It's historically proven. It was theological liberalism that made men weak and feminized. So as Islamic men rose up, they were able to butcher the men, take the women and children and I'm here now. Where are you guys going to go? Yeah, Andrew, that was amazing. Thank you. Hopefully that doesn't happen. Yeah. So that's why I appreciate what you're doing. And maybe we could connect you with Carl Linz and you guys could talk on the finds. I would not mind. That'll be awesome. Yeah. Appreciate you, man. Thank you so much. What can they find out more about you and your church and all that good stuff? Thank you. Thank you. I'll say what can they find out more about you? So my name is Andrew. Said Ray. Can find me on Instagram or X or Facebook, Echo Church when Sydney, Australia, YouTube and also Instagram. Check it out. If you live in Australia, come and check it out. I know a lot of people in Australia feel very lonely after COVID. We have people that drive to ours to come to church. If you're in Sydney, come pop by, let's change the nation. Let's change the world. Let's bring Christ back to culture. And I'm excited because in the midst of all this darkness I'm talking about, the light is shining and there's revival. I really believe there's a revival on the way. Amen. Andrew, shout out to you guys. Thank you so much. Peace. Hey, thank you so much for checking out the video. Please be sure to comment below and subscribe and all that good stuff and check out this other video that YouTube seems to be recommending just for you. Let me know if they nailed it. All right.