Keith talks about an elderly woman out for vengeance before being joined by Brad and Ben to talk about a based-on-a-true story movie covering a motorcycle club in the Midwest.
Thelma: 0:47
The Bikeriders: 3:35
The Movies & A Meal Podcast
Thelma & The Bikeriders
(upbeat music) - Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Movies in the Meal, a podcast where we talk about movies and other things while we eat. I'm your co-host Ben, and as always, I'm going by Keith and Brad. - What's up? - Okay, so let's talk about two movies. We're gonna talk about "Thelma", a movie starring in June Squibb, about what do you want to call it? Like a scam, and then- - It's a little revenge, man. - A revenge tale with an elderly woman. - Yeah. - And then we're gonna talk about, I guess, our main feature of the week, and that's Jeff Nichols, the bike riders during Austin Butler, Tom Hardy, and Jody Comer, which is a movie that Brad and Keith we're really looking forward to watching. We'll just pause on that for a second, and let's talk about "Thelma", so Brad, do you explain what this movie's about, better than I did? - Sure thing, some are always courtesy of IMDB. When a 93-year-old thumb-a-post gets duped by a phone scammer pretending to be her grandson, she gets that she sets out on a treacherous quest across the city to reclaim what was taken from her. - That's a good summary, and you know, I went into "Thelma", looking for a perfectly fun movie after a long work day, and it delivers pretty much exactly that, and not much more, but that's okay. Many likely to know is here you should get Jim Squibb, who fans will know from Nebraska, and a great turn on NBC's "Good Girls" and other things. And Richard Roundtree, in his final feature movie role, kicking all kinds of ass. Well, let me clarify, just the right amount of ass for a 94-year-old woman to be kicking, and having at least be close to the realm of reason. As hard as that, right, just how fun, but also touching indeed, June Squibb here is our hero. Thelma is still living on her own after the death of her husband Teddy, and every day, her underachieving but lovingly devoted grandson Daniel, played with natural charm by Fred Heckinger, checks in on her. What launches Thelma on the revenge spree that fuels this flick is when Scammers fake Daniel's voice to say he's been in a bad car accident that's his fault, and extort $10,000 from her. Thelma's drive to get it back is what gives the movie all of its fun. From the start, ready director Josh Margolin, making his feature debut in both roles, gives this knowing touches that just build up our affection for Thelma from the start. From her hilariously limited grasp of new technology to her habit of walking up to complete strangers and asking if they met before, both of these jokes pay off as a story advances in fun ways. And the cast here isn't deep, but fun all around. Park proposing and Clark Greg, neither of whom we see often enough anymore, our pre-grade is Daniel's extremely cloying parents. I particularly enjoyed watching Posey as she's grown from the level indie party girl of "Dazing" refused, and many more movies, for more challenging roles, but also I'm glad she gets fun ones like this one here still. But really makes Thelma work, and when it really takes off, some of Thelma and Richard Grountree's band team up, after she schemes to steal his scooter from his nursing home residence. They make the perfect team here, and it's especially works that Thelma's revenge isn't so grand to be unbelievable, and actually uses their limitations to great advantage. Once they inevitably have a beef, there's a true moan of grace that shortly follows that really hit me hard. In sum, Thelma isn't the deepest of licks, but if you're looking for a natural charmer to make you smile after a long day, it still manages to pack some surprises. I definitely recommend catching this one in theaters while you can, and I'll give it an affectionate, three stars. - All right, Rob, tomatoes, critics, an audience, Keith? - You know, I took a peek, but not a real deep bump, and I knew I wanted to own a mission for Sebastian to go see it. I think critics like this, I'll go 80. I'll go 70, because it's a kind of non-concept, 70 on the face. - Critics gave it 99%. Wow, 114 reviews, so it's not even like small reviews. It's 114 reviews, 99%. Audience, 76%, 50+ reviews, and the credits consensus courtesy of Rotten Tomatoes, a stellar showcase for the talent to Jews with Thelma avoids cheap laughs as it finds the lighter side of some serious issues. - It's just fun enough, but it has touches that make you think, and it's fun movie. - So, why don't we go ahead and talk about the bike riders? Movie by Jeff Nichols, based on a book from Danny Lyon, from like, I don't know, it's like a photo essay book from the mid '60s and '70s, but I'll let Brad explain with his movies about it deeper. - Summer is always courtesy IMDB. After a chance encounter, Headstone Kathy is drawn to Benny, member of the Midwestern Motorcycle Club, The Vandals. As the club transforms into a dangerous underworld of violence, Benny must choose between Kathy and his loyalty to the club. - Okay, let me run down some of the cast first, and then I'll let these gentlemen speak first, and see what booze he has to take about it. In fact, I'll let Brad talk in a second here, but like I mentioned, it's headlined by Jody Comer, Austin Butler, and Tom Hardy, and then it's a pretty deep cast all the way through, Michael Shannon, who's like a Jeff Nichols player at this point. They've always worked together. Gosh, what do you just said this? Mike Fost? - Fost. - Mike Fost? - We used to be so long. - From-- - Challengers? - Challengers and a West Side Story's in there, Norma Redis, because if he's a motorcycle, he's probably gonna be in it. Boyd Holbrooke, Damon Harriman, from among other things, Justify, Dewey Crow, and Toby Wallace, a guy that Keith and I watched way back in 2020 in a movie called Baby Teeth, in the Strong and Flick with Ben Mendelssohn, a very good movie, actually. - Yeah, these guys had to remind me, we'll talk about who he plays, but it's the key character. - Yeah, we might have to tiptoe, 'cause some of these characters lead into some big plot points, but I think you could have Brad first, you know, Brad, you wanted to see this movie. I know, I think maybe make a co-worker or something like that, kind of reinforced your curiosity there, but-- - Say, he was the one to mention it to me, I was like, "Huh, this sounds sound interesting," and I looked at the cast and I was like, "Cast is pretty deep," so I'm like, "Well, it might be something I'd be interested in." I enjoyed this movie. Jodie Comer is amazing, and this is Kathy, she's the main player in this, she gets the most screen time, and us three, we've had this conversation about her accent that she does, the Midwestern accent, and it is a very well-done Midwestern accent. I put it down here as her run-on storytelling, because she tends to string like two or three sentences together, and when she's speaking, and I think, I don't wanna lump all Midwesterners into that, but I think some people from that area has done something like that. She's amazing in this, I mean, just her scenes were Austin Butler a great, and the bar scene between her and Tom Hardy, and the stairway scene that they have, are two very amazing scenes that are very well-acted, so she's amazing in this. Austin Butler and Tom Hardy are both amazing in this way, Austin Butler is Benny, and Tom Hardy is Johnny, I mean, they're characters, they're not as eloquent as Kathy or not as for both, they go, better word. They both have their-- - They're elegant either, you're right, boys. - But they both have their charm, like, Butler is like the Keanu Reeves style of less talking and more acting, and it's, you can kind of like lump him in a little bit, not quite, apples to apples with James Dean, with double out of calls, a rebel out of calls, excuse me. James Dean's more lashing out, though, where Austin Butler is more internal. - He's a soldier. - Yeah, internal with his things, and it's very well done, I think. And Hardy is Johnny, he's just, I said his mumble-like delivery, even though you can understand him, and most of his lines you can understand, I mean, he's just a guy that just wanted to start a club and just keep his club satisfied. He just, he wanted to be in a club, and unfortunately, his morals and his enjoyment of it just kind of degraded and eroded, and it was an interesting watch, so. - Brad and I both had this on our top 10 list for the year, and in short, and to me, it didn't disappoint. You know, I've always loved Jeff Nichols. My favorite movie of his is "Loving", with Ruth the guy on Clyde Edgerton. Joel Edgerton, sorry, but this one is right up there. It's almost as good. And now I don't actually do a lot of research while I need to movie, I like to be surprised, but I did with this one, and I'm glad I did, 'cause we find out, as Ben pointed out, this is pretty much modeled on a book, a pictorial book from the '70s, also has stories in it, by Danny Lyon. But what that tells you is, this is not gonna be a gang epic, and it's all the better for it, because this movie, at his core, when it says best, is really a love triangle, and to three of them, you couldn't have done better than you could with three of them, you're right, Jody Comer is fantastic. There's a lot of Scorsese in this, and he wears it on his sleeve, and it's okay, 'cause the movie's good enough, but really, she reminded me of Lorraine Bronco the way she kind of takes over good fellas, with all these men in there. Tom Hardy's Tom Hardy, you know, he's basically, you know, he's a lot of it's inspired by Marlon Brando, blatantly, because it pointed out the wild one, who apparently inspired the real Johnny, as I was reading, I was right afterwards. So that's kinda cool, and Austin Butler, he's just awesome Butler, you know, he plays the Rebel, he's pretty perfect, and there's a scene at the end when he finally breaks down, and I broke down too, it's a really well played role, but she's at the center of it, but the three of them really went, give this a lot of heart, and I liked a lot. - It's a mark of a good movie that, you know, Brad and I were talking about it, kind of a watch test, like, when do we check our watch for the first time, and I was pretty engrossed in this movie from the beginning, and it was about an hour, so we're about halfway into the movie before I really checked and see how long we were in it, but for the same reason you guys said, I thought the three leads were very compelling. What's great about it being kind of based on a true story, and one that has pictures, is that, not only do you get to match the actors to their real-life counterparts, but also there's like a literal visual reference to how things look and the vibe of it, and so when I'm watching it, I really do feel like I am in, like, this mid-60s, early-70s kind of thing. I just feel like as a time machine, I'm transported in there. The good fellness comparison, I think, we could see the vibes beginning. I will say that I was a little surprised. It's relatively tame compared to that movie. This movie is an R, but it's like I'm watching a movie that's already been kind of edited for TV, and I don't really mean that it is a slight. I just meant like, I thought maybe, especially 'cause it's a biker movie, and maybe your stereotypes about bikers, maybe a little down and dirty, and all that. You know, these guys are relatively tame, and it's what you guys had mentioned. They just did it 'cause they wanted to be in a club. Tom Hardy's character has a day job, he's a trucker. He's not a, he's not a, like, a vandal, like, you know, like, homeless, shifty guy. - He's not like getting any of his vandals for life. - Yeah, yeah, he just did it because he, you know, it's part of the club, and the club, for the most part, is just a bunch of guys who love motorcycles. Maybe they're not, they're definitely not above fracturing some speeding laws, and see all the butler, and a kind of hilarious scene that I think people, a lot of people, laughed at the-- - And when they take revenge, they take revenge. - Yeah, yeah, but even, there's still something kind of gently about it, you know, there's a big dust between the rival gang, and without, I mean, I'll spoil it a little bit. I mean, once the fight's over, it's over, and everybody's pals, but I enjoy it. I don't know, when we do the grading, I'm gonna go last, because I don't think my grades gonna be as high as you guys, but I did enjoy this movie. It's not gonna make my top 10, but it was a good movie. - Real quick, Keith, I didn't even cut you up, but you mentioned about Lorraine from, like, Goodfellas, and it's almost like, Kathy is sort of like the Henry Hill of this movie, where she's the, like, Henry Hill is like the narrator, right? Of Goodfellas, he's like, he's telling the story, whatever, Kathy's basically like the story in this. She's leading, she's pointing out the moments and the stuff like that, so it's, I like the juxtaposition they have there. The supporting cast is definitely very good in this as well. Michael Shannon is my scene stealer in this. He might not be my secret MVP, but he's definitely the scene stealer. - Or he gets the comic relief, you know. - Yes, but I think his best scene might be the, when he's talking about the army? - Yes, when he's talking about going to the army, and it's almost like a foreshadowing of what's gonna come to the club and everything, 'cause he's like, I wanted to go over there, I wanted to serve, I wanted to do all that. And then, all of a sudden, boom, it's, they won't take me because I'm not there, but it's the people that are going over there that don't wanna go. It hurt him, you can tell, it really hurt him. - I think the irony, right, is that, yeah, Michael Shannon wants to go over there, but if he did go over there, he would probably be like the guys who were kind of like the turning point from the club being a gentlemanly club with some rules to more of what you would probably think is a biker gang now, a little bit more down dirty and into some nefarious kind of stuff. - Brad, you touched on it, but that scene, where Cathy first meets them, that's where a good fella's to, where they pan in, but that whole sequence, you get to know that Cathy is a little feisty, but she gives in pretty quickly, and it's so predatory. Many falls are to her house and sits there. I mean, it hasn't etched to it, but it made me smile. You know, that's the thing, I was kinda smiling since we saw it. - Yeah, you guys enjoyed that. It was really Brad. - It hasn't etched to it though. - Brad, you know, we choke sometimes, like the romantic parts and rom-com, you're not really into, but even you, like the flirting with Jody Comer's character and Austin Butler, you know, Austin Butler doesn't really say anything, like you were getting the vibes, you looked at him. (laughing) - Basically, he sits down there, and they say a couple words, and then just stare each other like a couple of minutes, and it's like, this is getting awkward. - The look on her face when she first sees Benny, I mean, she doesn't hold back, that was pure lust. - Well, you know, when we finally, when we get introduced to Benny, Austin Butler's character in the bar, and he's like kinda leaning against the pool table, I mean, like anybody who's watched that movie, like they're looking through Jody Comer's eyes, you're like, okay, I can see why, like, he's the guy and why you would probably be attracted to him. - Yeah, and the music, it was very good, there's another Gorsese touch, but I gotta say, you know, I only knew this when I went home, but I really liked the scene, the song that was in the opening of the closing credits, and I knew I knew it, but it's an old Lucero song, and the funny thing is, it's about this book, I didn't know this, but I went on with Lucero, it's called Bike Riders, it's all about Kathy and Benny, and the lead singer Lucero is Jap Deco's brother. So, this family is just obsessed with this book, apparently. - The one song I'm surprised I didn't hear, it was Leader of the Pack. - It played another Shingle Lost song. - Yeah, yeah, that was the song I was surprised I didn't hear, but I was like, okay, I mean, it's kind of on the nose, but I was like, so I wasn't kind of surprised, for a movie like this, I wasn't surprised, I heard it, but I didn't hear it, but I was kind of, it was kind of clever, though, to use a different Shingle Lost song. This is part of the family. - You know, Brad and I were talking off here, maybe there's any potential for any awards, maybe, I don't think he may be a Golden Globe, maybe, I don't know about Oscars. - Yeah, I think should be purple, at least get a Golden Globe nomination. - Norman Reedus was always, it's always interesting to see Norman Reedus, and he definitely hands it up in this movie, and it's very well done. He brings enough humor and menace to the role, 'cause it's, it's a very interesting dichotomy, where it's like, yeah, I've come to kill him, 'cause he's got, he had, he still had the colors of the other thing, and they're like, and they all got tense up, and they're like, he was like, well, are you gonna do it? He's like, nah, I like you guys, and it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, that's a, that's a, - He made that whole story up, right? - I don't know. - See, I don't know. - I think he did. - That's the thing. - I think he was just a prankster. - Yeah. - Then you can go the way. - Yeah, but I mean, he had that knife, too, and I was like, oh, he has a knife. - Oh, they always had a knife. - They always have a knife. - They always have a knife. - I know that, but you don't see it until the, until we're sitting by the campfire, I was like, that's what I first caught my attention when you said my counselor, oh, you know, you saw nothing about that 'til the campfire, so that makes it more believable. So it's like-- - It was a mess, too. - I mean, it was a fun scene. - I mean, yeah, I mean, I think that's obviously intentionally or unintentionally, another good fella's nod to the Joe Pesci, the very famous Joe Pesci Ray Leota scene. - Yeah. - I really love the bond between Johnny and Benny and this. It's just, they compliment each other. So yeah. - You know, all the time on the cast, just a quick shout out, you know, Brucie is a big part, Johnny's number two, I was watching the movie. And Dewey Harriman, if you've seen Justify, he doesn't get to work off of it anymore. It took me till by half of the movie to figure out who that was. - Dewey Crow, Damon Harriman, he's fantastic. - I think, well, we're just going to do the ratings and then we can do Ron Tomatoes. I don't know if we need to spoil anything. So, well, we'll go-- - There's spoilers, but yeah. - Okay, Keith, brighter than me. - All right, well, I'm gonna go high. I'm gonna go four stars just because I was really looking forward to this and I really liked it. You know, the three leaves were fantastic and just the whole approach with the sticking to the love triangle and the tight story, I really liked it. - Yep, I'm gonna go four as well. I really liked this movie. It's not quite at four and a half. I don't have much to quit the quibble about, but I do have one thing that I wanted to do to discuss, but yeah, I'm gonna give it a four out of five. So I've really enjoyed it. Ben? - Yep, I mentally had this locked in and it hasn't changed, it's gonna be three and a half. - So yeah, I know you weren't gonna go two out. - I pointed to Brad, 'cause I figured, I thought you would give it a four, 'cause we were talking about what our ratings were gonna be. I was like, Keith is gonna be the highest. - Well, like Brad, I wavered to four to four and a half, but it's not the deepest movie. It could have been bigger in scope, but you know, I really like what they did. - Like I said, it's sanitized in a way. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. - I didn't really want them to go into the all the racism all that, but it could have been acknowledged with the patches. - There's so much circular scenes without spoiling it. You know, there's a scene where Jody Comber's characters in peril, basically, that could have gone really dark. And it's just kind of like-- - Well, it's pretty intense. - Yeah, even the implication is still, you know, it's a little unsettling. We'll do rotten tomatoes and all that stuff. - All right, critics and audience. Ben, why don't you get a first on this one? - I feel like people are, the critics might be a little bit my side. So I'll go like 83 for the critics. Audience, though. We liked it, everybody seemed like it. 90, I'll go 90. - All right, Keith. - I'm gonna go lower on the critics, because I know some people I've read have complained that story is just not deep enough. I'll go 70, but I think Ben's right. I'll go 90 off on the fans. - All right, critics, 82% of it are 59 reviews. Audience, 74% 250 plus for me. - Wow, do you have a-- - I do have a critic in San Francisco to see rotten tomatoes fueled by a charismatic cast and the gritty authenticity of writer-director Jeff Nichols' approach. The bike writers offers a conventional yet impactful look at motorcycle culture. - Okay, that's good. - Is it audience? - No, there's no audience, though. Do you want to do box office? - Let's do the box office. - Box office, number one, again, for a second week in a row, inside out two making $100 million this week. - Wow. - It is up to a two-week total of $355.2 million. - That's great. - That makes me very happy. - Yeah, I told Ben, I was like, this pickable me for I think is going to make some money too. - Not like that. - It's not going to make inside out too much. - It might make $100 million in week one because there's a built-in love for that. - Yes. - The minions, yeah, I don't have to. - Number two, holding strong of Ben at your boys, bad boys, writer, die, $18.8 million this week, three total of $146.9 million. Finishing a third, our movie, The Bike Writers, $10 million in opening week, which they said's on the upper tier of it. - Yeah, I'm not too surprised. That's a pretty good number. - Number four is still holding strong, came to mug for the planet of the rise of the eight. $33.7 million this week, seven week total of $164.4 million. - Excellent. - Rounding out the top five is The Garfield Movie, $3.6 million this week, five week total of $85.1 million. And the other movie we mentioned Thelma finished in ninth with an opening weekend of $2.2 million. - I'm laughing 'cause I'm not too surprised. It's a movie for old people, you know. - Okay. Do you have any spoilers? Do you want to talk about that? - Yeah, what do we talk about spoilers on here? I mean, it might be some spoilers. Turn away, ride away now. The scene where Johnny dies is-- - Well, he's so glad you put the spoilers on. - Oh, yeah. - I mean, it's just so good. When the kid, the Toby Wallace, the guy who's gonna challenge for the leadership. It's set up, he's like a side story. He only has like his own mini arc that you don't really touch upon, but you just know, sorry, Brad, that let me explain. - Okay, go ahead. - Just know that like, he was kind of inspired by the Vandals. He tries to join, he gets brushed off, and then he comes back later on when Johnny's kind of like a little longer the tooth and maybe like kind of worn down by being the leader and challenges him. And normally, and it's set up in the movie, when you're challenged, it's like either hand-to-hand or knives, and so when the moment happens, the kid just walks up and kills Tom Hardy with a gun. - Not that that's justified, but Tom Hardy's seriously punks him. He looks like him. - Shane's been front of his entire game, so, you know. - I know he's standing around with him too, it's like he was on him being. - So he kicks around on him, and that's the reason for it. - I like how Johnny, it's like, you know, he knows, like he's got a feeling in the bag of heads, like he's about to die, so. - He talks to his wife briefly, who's like, "Get some eggs," which is what's funny enough. - Yeah, that was great. - But then he tries to go see Benny, and it's just him and Kathy, and that scene is very well done, but it's a juxtaposition in the bar scene where Kathy comes to see Johnny about Benny, and she's like, "Look, he's my man." So I have him, not the club, and she was right. And they had the same word play and everything that they're going, and Johnny's just like, "Yeah, nah, I'm good." And Kathy, when she's talking to Danny, the interview, she basically says, "Look, Johnny knew that Benny was going to be with him because the rest of the guys were basically cupcakes, and when Johnny gets shot, now Ben tried to talk me out of this, but I'm still not going to go. When Johnny gets shot, it's like, his crew are just like, "What are we going to do?" - Well, Brad, it shows their character. They're not the most-- - It shows them. - But you mentioned one. You just kind of made your own argument. You said that they're cupcakes. - Yeah, they are. - And it's set up, and Jody Comer says sets it up, and even Johnny, one, they're older. They don't even ride the bikes anymore. They drive. They get in when they're waiting. The older folks, they get in because they're cold. - Yeah, exactly. - They can't be bothered. - Yeah, very slow. - I think it kind of proves Kathy. - But what is your quibble then? - My quibble is that, look. - The guy, the kid walks up to the car and is like, "What?" - Jam on the gas pedal. Run the bed. - Brad, no, no, no. - We're seeing all they were scared, but also-- - Brad. - You said it proved their point. This is-- - They're not real bad there. - This is where we were talking about before, where you're, you know, okay, you're applying logic, but in the moment, it's different. - Oh, no, in the moment. - And it's just like, we're, you know, full disclosure, we have Patriot games on here, and when we talk about Patriot games, you had to, yeah, the thing about the ending, 'cause you thought that the, you thought that Jack Ryan's plan was flawed, but in the moment, it's what the best he could do. In that moment, they're old, they don't, they're kind of halfway, don't give a crap, and they're in shock. So, I just-- - Plus, they're slow. - You gotta apply the context of the movie, right? - Well, I'll back off on that one. The other thing I had a little quibble with, I wish they focused a little more in the friendship between Bruce and Johnny, because Kathy's like, when Bruce he died, Johnny kind of went downhill from there, and the club went downhill from there, but you don't really see much of a friendship between Johnny and Brucey. - Well, a couple things, you're not wrong, but Johnny's not the most emotional guy. - No, I understand. - Plus, Bruce was not his guy, Bruce was his deputy. He's a soldier. - Yeah. - Benny was his guy. - Yeah. - If Benny had died. - Yeah, but-- - I think you have a-- - I'm sorry, go ahead. - No, God, it's just, it's just the comment that Kathy made, once again, it could be a, not as, it depends on the narrator. And Kathy has a narrator, maybe that might change the thing. - She's not the most reliable narrator. - That's what, but the way she made it sound like, it was like, Brucey was almost like the moral compass of the club, to an extent. - I think he calmed them down. I, to your point, I can see your point, but also, when we meet these guys, you know, we're going through Joey Comber's eyes. They've already been friends for years, you know, and Brucey's tried to be the administrator, and they're listening to them, and Johnny's the one was like, "Yo, pay attention." You know, it's like, I think that was just a good shorthand of just like, these guys have been working together for a long time, they know their strengths and weaknesses, and they know when to, you know, back each other up. - Yeah, the last thing I'm gonna talk about, I think it's the final scene. - Kathy and Benny are in Florida, and it's just like, Kathy is talking to Danny again, the interviewer. - And why is he, like, Florida? It's all he does, apparently, he's following him around. - No, that's what he did. - No, that's what he did. - If you read the thing, he was an actual, full-fledged member of the Outlaws, which I guess was the real thing for a year. - But he's talking about it, and Kathy's like, "Yeah, we're happy." And she looks, and her face changes a little bit, like, and she keeps saying that, it's like, "Yeah, we're happy, right?" It's like she has her down. - She's trying to convince herself, and you see Benny just sitting out there in the chair, and he looks bored, I mean, and so it's-- - But when he looks at her, he's happy, he smiles. - He smiles, but you also hear like a-- - But who wants to be in Florida, Brad? - He's bored. - Yeah, but you hear a motorcycle sound, too, which-- - That was a little heavy-handed. - Yeah, that was heavy-handed. But, I mean, it's almost like, it's less convincing that they're happy. - It's almost-- - I'm not certain they are. - It's almost what they have, you know? - It's almost like each other. - Yeah, it's almost like the ending of Goodfellas, too. I mean, we keep bringing the Goodfellas back, but, like, Henry Hill, it's like, you see the close-up of him at the end, and he's like, eventually he's like, "Man, I'm not happy doing this." - I don't think it's that extreme. I think you guys are right. I think, overall, they're content with it, but when he used the motorcycle, he's still a little wistful, I assume, and he's like, we were saying, like, we were saying, you leave a job, maybe there's things you don't like, but there's some parts that, you know, you remember the good times, though, and the motorcycles probably just revved them back up, no pun intended, I guess, about, you know, just like some of the good times they had. But, overall, you know, Jody is... Jody Comer's character, Kathy, is right, because he's like, "Benny will die. "Benny will die on this bike." And most of the guys there in the club, they said, "That's how I want to go out." They want to go out, like, Bruce E. riding. They don't want to be, like, you know, in the old age home. - Yeah, but in the end, they don't want to, though. Cockroach, for example. Cockroach, like... - Well, he tried to get out. - He tried to get out. - Well, he did get out. He did get out, but I mean, it's like... But he didn't want to die, because he didn't want to die for that, 'cause he was like, "Look, there's--" - Well, some of them do some of them don't. - Oh, no, yeah. - So, I don't know, I don't know if Cockroach was one of those that said that. It was like, "Look, I want to be one of the ones." - No, Cockroach, yeah, that's why he got beat up in the first place. - He said he wanted to be cock, and he didn't, so... - Well, no. And when they had-- - That was the extreme of their code, though. - Yeah. - You allowed the lead, but he has to... - I thought maybe he was going to get killed, because in the trailer-- - I didn't think Jody had a part to kill him. In the trailer, it's just very quick, you just see two guys standing over two guys kneeling, and one shoots a guy in the head. I didn't know if that was going to be. It turned out not to be. It turned out, didn't involve any of those guys, thankfully. But, I mean, go watch the movie. It's a good movie. - It is a good movie, it's something I'd recommend for anybody. - Okay, well, despite the low number, I think this will play for a month. It'll be a good word of mouth, I think, and people love these three. - I think it'll get, like, 50, I think. - Probably, yeah, I think it'll get better. - But, you know, again, let me see. I think, probably for the budget, it's probably gonna make its money back. It won't be, unless it was, like, $100 million. - Hey, that's Tom Hardy money, man. - Yeah, I mean, you know, Tom Hardy-- - He's a legit star. I'm only half-joking, man. - He's good, he's good. The budget was $30 to $40 million, so I should probably break you. - I'm gonna get back, and this will probably do well overseas because it's got the glamor of the motorcycles. - I think it'll be a good streaming movie, too. - Oh, yeah. - Okay, let's wrap it up. Keith, do the plugs. - Well, you can reach us at moviesandamilog@gmail.com, check us out on exmoviesandamil and X slash Twitter, or give us a listen on. Keith's new on Apple podcast, Spotify, or we'll meet your podcast. - Okay, so for this episode of Movies and Amill, I'm Ben. - And Keith, spread, peace! (upbeat music) (upbeat music)