A Year In Horror

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 (1986) w/ Wednesday 13

Wednesday 13 is bringing the Murderdolls music back to UK shores later this year and to celebrate we welcome him onto A Year In Horror to speak about his favourite ever movie. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. This conversation is a special one so crack open your poison, put on a face mask of your choice and rejoice in the filth of the cook and his family.

Duration:: 50m
Broadcast on:: 21 Jun 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

WEDNESDAY 13 / Murderdolls

[music plays] [music plays] [music plays] [music plays] [music plays] Welcome all you to a year in horror mid-month canny connoisseurs of the clandestine podcasting puddle of pain. That's right, sometimes we like to keep it contained. Underground, keep it secret, keep it safe. And sometimes we reach for the stars, where rock and rolls vast tapestry of shock and horror is kept alive by a select few. Today, we welcome one of those very people, Wednesday 13. And later this year in October, Wednesday 13 will be bringing over his band to perform the Murder Dolls back catalogue in the UK once more. And of course it is super cool to have him come onto the show today. Wiki says this is the Murder Dolls. Get this, I love this. Murder Dolls was an American rock band formed in Hollywood, California in 2002. Its lineup consisted of core members Wednesday 13 and Joey Jordison. While former touring members included Ben Graves, AC Slade, Eric Griffin and Trip Isen. The band released two albums, the first in the form of Beyond the Valley of the Murder Dolls, which was released in 2002, and though the band had limited initial success in the US, their album and singles charted well in Europe, the United Kingdom and Australia and Japan, and their second album, Women and Children, last was released in August 2010. Wednesday 13 confirmed that the band had split in an interview in July 2013. So, what movie does a horror aficionado like Wednesday 13 choose to chat with me about? Well, he promptly chose Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 and who the hell can blame him. But before we get into that, you might well know this already. But this podcast has a Patreon channel, a channel where if you choose to support the show, then that's how you can very well flip in, do it. And by doing it, you're going to have access to around 130 back episodes, at least four new ones every single month. And at the moment we've got several series, just currently running. We've got Cheap Kills, A Year in Bollocks, Breaking Ben, X-Pix, I do AMAs, what else is there? Oh no, Lo-No, there is a Video Nasty's Tier 2 series, we've got the Amityville Horror series, and there is a bunch of other stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else, and I put it there as well. I'm still loving doing this, let me tell you. Every time someone subscribes and I get that ping notification, I just get a bit overcome with emotion. It is such a buzz. So if you've already joined us over there, then, well, you already know that you're the best. Thank you so much. But if you're about to join, then yeah, do it, please. I'm over at patreon.com/AYearInHora. Thank you in advance. So, Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, right? A few things before we get into this chat, which is a spoiler-ific chat. Bill Johnson plays the leather face in this for the first and the last time. The mask in this one is quite different as well. It's like several faces stitched together, but it just looks different. Let's just say that. This is the film where he gets feelings for the DJ stretch and it reveals up a little bit of his personality. He's not just his faceless monster. And then there is someone, something, some character in this that we can't unsee once we see it, and that is chopped up. He's got this head on his shoulders, like most of us do, but in his one, there is this metal plate under the skin, but it's also showing through its proper gross. And maybe the grossest part of the film is when stretch has to wear LG's face. LG is like a boss, but then she bumps into LG, who is still alive, but missing his face, and part of his belly as well, and then he's got this rib skin coverage missing. It's proper good special effects. So yeah, this film is full of incredible sequences, but does it stand up as a whole according to me? Well, let a box that will give us a synopsis, and then we will go into this chat with Wednesday 13 to find out. Alright, let's do it. Oh, actually, before we do it, here's the cast, Dennis Hopper has Lieutenant Lefty, and we have Caroline Williams's stretch, Jim Sedow as the cook, Bill Mosley as chopped up, Bill Johnson as Leatherface for those close-up shots. We've got Bob Elmore, plays Leatherface when he's not in close-up shots, and then Tom Morgan played Leatherface during that bridge scene. And here's that synopsis I was mentioning. Chang saw wielding maniac Leatherface is up to his cannibalistic ways once again, along with the rest of his twisted clan, including the equally disturbed Chopped Top. This time, the mass killer has set his sights on a pretty disc jockey, Vanita Stretch Brock, who turns up with the Texas lawman Lefty in right to battle the psychopath and his family deep within their lair, a macabre abandoned amusement park. 13 years ago, audiences across America were horrified by the brutality of a faceless killer. Now, after more than a decade of silence, he has come out of hiding. Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part II, directed by Toby Hooper, starts Friday August 22nd at theaters everywhere. You're bringing these classic murder-doll songs back to the UK, but you've already been touring it for a little bit. How's it gone? Is there any real surprises for you? Lots of surprises. Just being able to go back and revisit some of those songs has been a lot of fun. I realized it was a challenge because I had to basically go back to seeing the way I did 20 years ago, or longer, 22 years now. So just getting back in the swing of that, it kind of had to relearn how to do it. But the biggest surprise is the fans that are here now. The old fans have remained, which is great, but they brought their kids now. And now their kids are front row. So I just didn't really understand at first. I was like, where did all these kids come from? There's kids in the front row in America here. I guess everywhere. Places they have their hands X if they're under 18 or something. So they look young and then I'm like, all right, we see their hand. All right. Now their X is on their hands. What do they do? And they're singing the word and they're screaming for us the way the younger audience screamed for murder-doll 20 some years ago. So that was the biggest surprise because I just didn't even think about that. I was just kind of hoping that some of the older audience would be there. I didn't think about them spawning. You know, so very happy surprise. What about your voice? You've mentioned here how you've had to sort of change the way you're singing with it. Like, is it extra preparation? Is it a ball like to do that sort of thing before you go on? The majority of the first murder-doll's record was recorded when I was, I mean, well, the whole album was recorded when I was 25. But all those songs were previous to that. Like, you know, some of those songs like 1976 goes back to 1996. And I was like, oh, I'm going to go back to the first record. I was like, oh, I'm going to go back to the first record. I was like, oh, I'm going to go back to the first record. I was like, oh, I'm going to go back to the first record. I was like, oh, I'm going to go back to the first record. I was like, oh, I'm going to go back to the first record. I was like, oh, I'm going to go back to the first record. I was like, oh, I'm going to go back to the first record. It was just crazy to think that I was in that range at all times. And it's not the easiest thing to do. So it took me a while to figure out how to do it. I think I finally figured out how to do it with confidently where it sounds good. Because that was the main thing I wanted to do was I wanted these songs to sound like the album or better if that's possible for the fans. But I wanted to make sure the music sounded as good as they've been listening to for all these years. Cool, man. That's good to hear. I never got to see the first time around. It's going to be cool. A lot of people didn't get to see murder dolls. Europe and UK was the place as we did the most. But America didn't get a lot of us. People, you know, it's we're like the Bigfoot band. So people go, wow. I think I saw them. I didn't see them. They heard about us. It's a myth. We're like a creature. Creature of myth. I had this big be in my bonnet about you at the time. I'm like a massive die-hard kiss fan. And my friends would say, oh, I know. But they're the kiss that it's called to like. And I was like, fuck them. That's cool. That's good. Yeah, that's great. Kiss was the, you know, it's still the ingredient of what I do. I still, still to this day, we listen to Kiss before every single show. There is a one show. I don't think that we play that I haven't had like a music set up. Always listen to music. But I can't think of one show where we haven't listened to, to Kiss or, or Twisted Sister before we went on stage. It's just, it's just mandatory. Oh, so good to wear it. Freddy versus Jason. Welcome to The Strange. Now. Yes. How did you get wind that that was happening? Was it, how did the whole process work? And were you there like day one watching it in the cinema? I can answer all those questions. When I heard about it, I was on a boat getting drunk with Iron Maiden. Not the bad, because the band flies everywhere. But I was getting drunk with their 40-man crew. We had just finished a six-week tour of Europe with murder dolls supporting Iron Maiden. That's a whole other story within itself. But I somehow managed to get on the internet on this computer. No one had phones then. There was no internet thing like that. It was just, there was like one computer in this lobby on the boat. This giant, you know, you know, 10-story boat, whatever. That we were traveling back in from like Scandinavia or something. I don't remember exactly where it was. It was a long boat ride. A lot of, a lot of booths. And I got on the internet and I saw on some website, it said roadrunner records to release the Freddy versus Jason soundtrack. And I got excited because we were on roadrunner records. And I thought, well, that's a, that's a easy, we have to be on this soundtrack. We were the horror band, right? So I read the track listing and we're not on it. So I go tell Joey, who's hanging out drinking with, with, with the Iron Maiden crew. I was like, Hey, come check this out. And he goes and looks at it and he's furious. He's furious. So he somehow gets on a phone that works in the middle of the sea somewhere. And he calls whoever he's got a call and management to get roadrunner on the phone. Right there in the middle of the fucking ocean. And he's like, if you don't put murder dolls on this soundtrack, I'm quitting slipknot. And then he flipped out. And within like three hours, there was a new press release and we were track six. That's one of my favorite Joey stories. I just wouldn't just realizing what he could get done back in the day with, it was, it was good to have him on your side. It was, that was, that was a fun story. Yeah. Well, that's the, what brought me to you. Like, that was what made me might discover you. So yeah, cool man. Yeah. Yeah. And with all this time and effort that you are putting into a, like, revisiting murder dolls, have you had time to think of like new Wednesday 13 stuff? Yes. Uh, yeah, a lot actually. Um, you know, before we just, we just came back from Europe. It's basically like a month ago this week, we were just returned from Europe. And, uh, before that tour, the first, the two weeks we went out on that tour, I just set up my recording stuff here in my little home studio and, uh, started doing some demos. And then when I came back, we've been home now for a month. So I've been, I've just been riding every, every day. So I have a definitely an album's worth of material. I just need to sift through it and see if it's, if it, if it makes the, makes the cut. So yeah, we're, we're planning to go in the studio in July and start recording, uh, the next Wednesday 13 records. So, um, yeah, I'm ready to do it. Uh, this murdered all stuff and inspire and it kind of sort of. It reignited the fire within, uh, to, to make music again. I kind of got burned out on COVID, my last record. I just, it was, I was kind of felt like I was forced to put a record out just because I had to do it. We, the CO, COVID just screwed everything up and I had to do a record. I just didn't, I just wasn't ready to do it. And, uh, so I don't know, I just kind of kind of had my head in the sand on recording there for a bit. But, uh, this murdered all's tour, uh, revisiting the music and stuff, definitely, uh, definitely reignited that fire. So got a lot of material, a lot of stuff I'm excited about and I'm excited for next year to release a new record and get out on tour and, uh, get back to doing the, the Wednesday 13 material because at that point, it'll be two years I've taken off of doing that and, uh, so it'll be fun to go back. So it's cool to be able to, to go back and forth between this where I can, you know, if I get burned out doing my stuff, I could revisit this or I get, you know, it's vice versa. So, uh, and I realized how different Wednesday 13 is from murdered all's after playing these songs. It's just a different vibe. Everything in murdered all's is fast, fast, fast up here and the Wednesday stuff is, it's like a roller coaster, it's a movie. It's, you know, so, um, I get to do the, I get to do both. And if I get bored with one, I can jump back and forth now. So I know this, this works. That's great news, man, because you know how bands that have been around for as long as yourself, they sometimes slip into this legacy thing. And like with the murdered all thing, I was like, Oh, no, I hope that isn't going to happen. So it's great news that you're still fired up. No, I, as much as I love to do the, the murdered all's material. I just can't. I can't 20 years later just go, Oh, I'm just going to play these songs now. I love those songs and they're fun to do, but I put a lot of work into Wednesday 13 Wednesday 13 will be, you know, 20 years later. The first album anniversary. So the new album will be album number 10 versus two murdered all's album. So I've just got a lot of work into it. I'm really proud of what we've done. And I'm excited to continue and make new music, you know, a lot of art. I was thinking about this. I was thinking about this earlier today. Just because I watch a lot of YouTube videos and I'm always revisiting the past and watching old bands and going, Oh, this band back then was this and now they're not this. You know, some of these bands, some of these bands when they're prime, that was it. They didn't, they didn't excel after that. And for me, when I look back on my murdered all's history, that was me just learning what to do. I look at what I've done now is like, I'm better than I ever was. I sing better. I perform better. It's like it's taken me 20 years to learn how to do this. So, whereas most people 20 years ago was their prime. I'm the exact opposite. I kind of sort of, I feel like I'm, I'm the best I've ever been now. So, you know, and I'm always trying to help do myself. I, I care about our show. I care about our performance. I care about my voice. I care about being good. I don't want to be one of these bands people look back on and go, Oh, that wasn't so good. Yeah. Okay, cool. Say after this call, Netflix get in touch with you. Okay. The producers working on the next Texas Chainsaw movie, but they're missing a song. They want one song for a kill. They've said, you can't record anything new for it. There's not time. We just want anything from your back catalog. The rights are not an issue. What song would you choose? Oh, there's, there's many. There's, there's so many. I mean, bad things is great. That fits in there. That's, that's about being punishing someone. Give me, give me bloodshed. That's good. Even though I got that into the night of the demon soundtrack. So I don't know if I could use that soundtrack versus soundtrack, but I think I see have a song just about every record that could, could fit that. But, but yeah, maybe, maybe bad things. I think that'd probably be the best one because it works. ♪♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ Welcome back. Right. This is the horror section here. Now, I've read this before in interviews with you, but if people listening to this haven't, I want to know a bit about your horror history. Like, where did it begin for you and why is it stuck? It began in a little small mobile home or trailer, as they call them here, in America, in probably 1980, 1981, where I grew up and lived. My family, my mom, my dad, brother, sister, all lived in this small, single wide, basically like a tour bus. It was basically kind of, you know, but it's not mobile. I guess you could make it mobile if you hooked it up to something. We lived in this place and we had a, you know, I didn't have, my bedroom was the living room where the television was. So I slept on the couch and the TV was my thing. And we got in a legal cable hookup through my rich neighbors and they lived in front of us and we were able to get all the movie channels, which were a big deal in the early 80s here in America. You had HBO and Cinemax for the two main movie channels and they showed everything. And that's where I saw everything. So I learned to lie at an early age and would tell my parents, "Oh, I can't sleep. I'm afraid of the dark. Can we leave the TV on?" Okay. So they would go to bed and I would just, I had the world at my fingertips and I, you know, I could watch all the... Hey man, this is Paul just to let you know at this point the audio went, could put for about 10 seconds, but I'm going to drop you back in 10 seconds later. Me! It was big. And then, you know, horror was coming out. You had the shining. You had, even Chuck Norris had a kind of a horror movie called Silent Rage that was creepy to me as a kid. But the, but the one, the one that hit me first that truly just creeped me out was, was, well, one of the parts that was Creepshow. I'll never forget watching that and just being like, "What am I watching here?" This is all the different stories. Not all of them scared me. The Stephen King bit kind of made me laugh a little bit, but when it got to fluffy and the crate as it, as terrified of that. So that was, that, that started it. And then, you know, we still had the cable hook up. So soon as movies went from the theater straight to HBO, I'm watching, you know, Friday the 13th, part four, when it's brand new on HBO. I'm watching Nightmare on Elm Street when it's a brand new movie. Everything was available right there for free and basically my bedroom. So I just lived in front of the TV and it just became my favorite thing. It scared me a lot. I mean, I was, you know, I was a lot of nights. I didn't sleep. I was terrified. I thought this stuff was real because it was, you know, I'm a kid. I got an imagination. My imagination was big. And, you know, so that was, that's what fueled it. I don't know. I got a thrill out of sort of being scared about it. And then, and it just, it just continued, you know, I was, and then, you know, going to school and a friend of mine had a fangoria horror magazine, which I never even knew what that was. And I got that. I was like, oh, wow. So, you know, I just opened this world to me that was just, I don't know. It just was calling my name. And is that where Texas Chainsaw 2 fit in? Because that was a bit later on. I came so one and two were very memorable to me because I will watch them for the first time together back to back. That's why I sort of don't separate those movies. During one of these, you know, during my time of watching TV as time went on, started going into school and stuff. Some of these movies didn't come to on HBO or whatever. So it was one as you'd see at the video store. And I had to, you know, oh man, if I could just see that. Texas Chainsaw Massacre was the one movie that my parents would never rent. I could never rent. Just because it, you know, it was always in the 18 and up section, even back in the day, and it would say banned in countries and the most bizarre based on a true story. So it's terrifying. No one in my family would ever rent it. I was just drawn to it, but can never see it, never saw it on HBO. So one time I played sick from school. And the night before I went to the video store and I snuck Texas Chainsaw one and two. I kind of hid two on top of part one. It didn't look as bad. My dad didn't really care. He wasn't looking and I somehow was able to sneak those into the stack of movies I watched with Robocop and Predator around this exact same day. I took this. I planned this day off. Well, and so after watching Robocop and being sick from school that day, supposedly, I watched all these movies. I watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre one and Texas Chainsaw Massacre two. And that was just the next level for me of horror because the second one I didn't know, I know now that it was kind of meant to be a little bit funny with the movie poster and stuff. But I was laughing at it then. I didn't know if that was appropriate because I somehow, the first one was scary. The second one had scary moments, but it was, it was funny to me. And it just, that was the ultimate for me. I loved all the characters. You got Chop Top Bill Mosley and part two, who is just, I mean, he's pretty much, he's psychopath, Beetlejuice. You know, I've heard people say that over the years. I've always thought Beetlejuice reminded me of Chop Top. Just a little more toned down a bit. I love Beetlejuice too. But just the characters and then Leatherface just being, you know, once I learned about Leatherface and the character based off Ed Gein and Inspiring Psycho, I just read into all of this stuff. So I just delved into these characters. And, and I just watched it so much that I'm pretty much memorized the movie. Texas Chainsaw Massacre two became even more special to me because I loved it so much. I'd rented it from the video store, had a bootleg copy of it from a friend of a friend on VHS. And for Christmas one year, my parents got me a VCR and Texas Chainsaw Massacre two was my big Christmas gift. My first VCR, first VHS was Texas Chainsaw Massacre two. So, to me, that's almost like a Christmas movie. I try to watch it every year on Christmas Eve Christmas because it reminds me of Christmas. It has nothing to do with Christmas. Except in my mind, it was, it was a great day. So, so that movie being one of my favorites from as a child flash forward to today, I've become friends with Caroline Williams who plays Stretch in the movie. She's a good friend of mine. I can call her right now. Bill Mosley the same way. I've got to know these, these people from the movie and then Tom Savini being the special effects director. I became friends with with with his group of people and I went to Tom's house and seen all the props. So, this movie has come full throttle for me. I don't have it with me right now. I wish I'd been more prepared, but I, I have the soundtrack on vinyl that I'm collecting signatures. I have signatures from some of the cast on my vinyl that I've had ever since back in the day. In my background here, you can see some of the stuff I've collected. I've got chainsaw toys and props. And it's just my favorite of, of the genre. Those first, the first two movies and they don't, they don't get old to me. And now that I've, I just, I feel like I've, I'm in that world now somehow. I'm going to go back here to that day one where you rent these two or you've got these two to watch in a row and on your own. So, there's no worry about like someone looking over your shoulder telling you off and they're so tonally different. Like, to go back to that, like, that must have been like, at the end of that day, you must have been like, whoa, that was a day. I felt, I felt uneasy. I mean, yeah, I remember that Predator and RoboCop came out on the same day VHS. It was a big deal. A lot of kids in school were like, I'm going to go to the store and rent it and play sick tomorrow and watch it. I wanted to actually went through with the plan. But like I said, I snuck in the rent to get two for free. I'll be grabbing you real quick. My dad, hurry up. You know, I'm, you know, it's just one of those hurry up, get like candy in. So I snuck them in. But like, and you got to think about all of those movies together like a whole setting all day. I was, because RoboCop is violent. It's crazy violent. Predator is like, what am I watching? What's happening here? Schwarzenegger goes, like, he's fighting a space alien and then I'm watching the most sadistic family ever, you know? And then it's just, I don't know. That's probably the greatest movie day I can remember in my history. Oh, Batman. Sounds amazing. I want to talk about Leatherface. Because the characterization in part two, where we're starting to know a bit more about like his character and like his feelings and, and actually there is someone inside that mask. Whereas, and the first one, I feel like he's that mask and watch, watch out. This is the second one. He's got a personality. Like, does that ever jar with you or like you bring it? Yeah, you know, it's weird. Like people go, well, which Leatherface do you like better? I prefer gunner and the first one because he is sort of, you didn't get that emotion side from him. That was the only thing I think even as a kid, I was just kind of like, oh, it showed it showed the weakness in Leatherface. So I don't know if I, if that was my favorite side of it. But I also love that he was quick to snap out of it and be ready to kill. So he was, you know, it just showed another side of the character. I don't know if that, you know, I think I would have preferred more of the brutality. That's where Choptop picked up the slack on any time that any time Leatherface dropped the ball. Choptop came back in with some, with some, you know, he saved the day. Well, I remember my first watch and I don't remember the whole thing, but I remember the certain scene where Leatherface just bursts through in the radio station and goes after her and like goes between her legs with the chainsaw and everything. And there's no denying that is terrifying. As a kid watching that, like, all jokes aside from what Choptop's doing in all that business, it doesn't matter. It's like, oh my God, what's going to happen here? It's so well-edited, so well put together. Yeah, that's a good transition in that movie because you're like, you're watching Choptop get the tour by Stretch, and she's just about to get out. And what's in here? It's where you keep the gold noties and no, you know, that's a, that's a great one. Oh, he did it in my place. Oh, my brain is burning. Non-flashback, non-flashback. Oh, oh, Leatherface, you bet. Oh, look what you did to my son if, oh no, we do. Oh, God damn, I can't believe it. You didn't have to buy me a new plate cover. You didn't have to buy me a new plate cover, Leatherface, no. Oh, he's going to send me back to the VA hospital and he's dead in my place. Oh, at least he didn't mess me up. Dogwheel hunt, get that bitch, Leatherface, get that bitch. Dogwheel hunt. Go away. But yeah, again, that seems awesome, but I think Choptop steals it again when he's just hitting LG in the head with that hammer over and over and over again and then saying one lighter is in between the hits. It's great. The worst thing about that scene is, as he continues to hit him on the head, like the legs start twitching. And it's, I've never seen it again as a kid and like, Oh, my God, does that happen? What, what, how does that happen? Well, the legs, the legs kick on the first one too, whenever he hits the dude in the door and he falls down his legs start kicking a bit too. So I think that was the, that was the thing. The good thing is the added part of that is the guy he's hitting LG, he's shaking and then he spits because he got a spitting problem. So he caught, he even spits in the middle of him convulsing. I thought that was stayed true to the character. The reason I didn't see Texas Chainsaw until well later, because it was banned over here, like you couldn't find it in video show, you just couldn't get hold of it. Unless I remember I had, I used to tape the HS trade with people in Germany for thrash metal concerts. That's where I like get creator in SN or whatever and always at the bottom of it, it would say video nasties and included, even though it wasn't a video nasty was Texas Chainsaw and it was always tempting just to go. Yeah, but I was so worried that I'd get arrested and said the jail was a kid for doing it. You know, I think after I watched it, I was kind of bummed. I was like, is that what we've been hidden? That's all they that was it. You know, so, but yeah, man, and another thing about chainsaw too. The promotion on that, on that movie at the in the VH in the video store level, which is where I went. You know, all the time, if you weren't in school or at the mall or the skating rink, you went to the video store and hung out. That was a whole other social place to hang out. But I remember the local video store had the six foot stand up of Leatherface, and it said after 10 years of silence, the buzz is back. And I remember just seeing that staring up because I was a little kid just staring up at this. And I was like, this looks terrifying. I have to see this. What is this? It was just such a build up to it. And eventually I got that that stand up. I have it in my part of my house here as well. But yeah, that was one of those things. I remember just, just eyeballing at the store. And I was like, Oh, man, one day I'm one day I'm going to see this. And then little did I know I'd, you know, I'd get into the whole world of it. I mean, video shops have got a lot to answer for. Like, I had exactly the same thing with the cut out of Pinhead. You know, it's just like one of those things. Imagine that. What could that film be like? Yeah, again, I used to think when I first watched this film, how important Hopper was to it, but like rewatching it. I don't know how important he actually is. Like, it's a great performance. And it's in the same year where he did like blue velvet and whatever, you know, he's similar. But like, how do you feel like he is in this? Like, it just seems like this crazed cocaine thing. And like, don't get me wrong, the scene where he's getting the chainsaws off the wall. And like, yeah, I don't know about it. How do you feel about a whole bottle? You know, I think, I mean, I loved in this Hopper. I don't think that I think when he, when you want to watch it, he is, he's playing to this character who's so serious. Like when he discovers the, the, you know, the first wreckage in the beginning and he's just being, I love his dialogue with the guy. And he goes, he goes, just a couple of kids out raising a little hell. And he's, hell's exactly what them boys raised, you know, just his one liners were great. But I kind of agree with it. I think the movie is almost like two separate stories almost because the way it's sort of edited, you know, it's like, once he gets there, you're following stretch, it's just kind of like, I mean, again, I'm not bashing on the movie whatsoever. But, yeah, I always thought Dennis Hopper was just so, it was such a weird, weird thing. He's just, he's just, after this, this revenge after his nephew. And then he, and the movie's so edited too. I think that's another bummer for me because I did read a lot about that movie. I've read, I know a lot about it now and know how much was cut out of it. All the gore that was cut out of it. There's a scene where he first gets into the whatever, the underground place, and he kicks a hole in the wall and all this guts comes spewing out. You can even tell it's cut because there's so much gore in this movie that they edited out. Boys, boys, boys. What the hell's going on here? Daffy American way of entering a man's home singing like that? Oh, I get it. The old fresher game, huh? Boys, you never should have been doing this. Who sent you? Those sissies over Del Mark entering? Chicken shit burrito man blunts? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I don't care. You hear? Yeah, that's right. It's a doggy dog world, and from where I sit, there just ain't enough damn dog. I can't stand the heat. Get out of them, catch it. Yeah, but let's make a deal right here. Real cash money. You and me, huh? I don't care who sent you. I'm the lord of the harvest. Who's that? Some new health food bunch? I wonder how much of his story was edited out as well, you know, to kind of make sense, but his parts are great. I mean, you basically got a Darth Vader Luke Skywalker battle at the end. You know, and then you got the cook with the comic relief underneath the table as they're fighting and he's talking to himself holding a grenade. So it's what a weird movie. It's just, I love it, you know. It is my favorite scene we were actually. It's so weird. Like, I sort of think it must be a stuntman that like when they burst into the lair, first of all, when he kicks through that like sort of corrugated metal tube and he jumps down and then it's a stuntman that jumps down, but I then think he pops up himself. Yeah, seamless, how it happens. And it's like shot like this thing is like got the the Dutch angles and the shots from above and it just looks so good. I love the way it looks in that lair. Yeah. And then he says, boys, boys, boys. You should have never been doing this. You love it. This is so crazy. And the cook is so, he's so confused and so mad. He's like, who, who are you? I'm the Lord of the Harvest. What's that? Some new health food bunch. He's so pissed that he's just raised. Hey, let's talk cash money. So, yeah, this is all the character. I love the dialogue in that. Like, as you can tell, I'm spewing it out. It's just my favorite. I don't know. It speaks to me. It's my spirit animal. When you close your eyes, what scene are you drawn to? Like, if you're going to say to someone, this is the scene from this film. What would it be? I love the intro when the two kids are to Rick the prick and the yuppie kids on the bridge. And when they first shoot at Leatherface and shoot at the nubbins and his head comes off and they see Leatherface. That's my favorite scene. That whole chase scene, where he cuts the dude's head off. All of that is the greatest. But the thing I've watched it so many times, I've asked myself, how long is that bridge? You know, it's like, Jesus, well, how long is this bridge, considering there was cuts made. Yeah, exactly. So, it's just like, wow. I tell you, my favorite is weird. My favorite scene is right at the very end where stretch is doing her dance. Like, the way it sort of correlates with the first film as well. It just starts to be so smart. Because now you're going, well, now what's she going to do? Is she part is she just going to stay there? You said you know her, right? Have you ever said that? Was there ever plans to continue her character in her film? No, not, unfortunately not. Yeah, I mean, I've asked a million questions. But the cool thing is, the cool thing is, is she, she came out to one of our shows and at the Whiskey of Gogo here in Los Angeles and she dressed as stretch for the first time in full costume, wig, the jeans, the jean boots, and she came out on stage with the chainsaw that's over here on my bed somewhere. And she basically played stretch on stage while we played our chainsaw massacre song. So, yeah, and that's, again, it's crazy how I've somehow brought that into my world. Wednesday, you are living the dream, my friend. You're living the dream. It's pretty cool. And Bill Mosley brought her out and introduced and told the crowd to. I said, Mr. Mr. Mosley, you have anything you'd like to say to these fine people of Los Angeles? And he said, look, my plate, you dog dick, which is the other greatest part of that movie. I love to double bill these things whenever I interview one of my artists like heroes. So I'm going to do the same for you. If you had to double bill this, what are you going to double bill it with? Oh, I mean, I wanted to. I mean, that's the, that's the, I mean, you can't beat that. That's the winning combo. And plus, like I said, and I love the story so much. I don't know if you've read into the, like, the movie's so edited. That's why I wish I could see, like, this full story of, because they don't ever explain why they're in that amusement park underground thing. Do you know why? Do you know why? Like, if you ever read why they're there? Not a reason. The reason they're there is because Bill Mosley's character, Chop Top, he's in Vietnam during the first Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Right. So, the plate in his head is from a war thing, obviously, being injured. And the payout settlement for his war injury was that property in Texas and old abandoned amusement park that's broke down, which is why they live there, which makes sense when you don't know why they're in this. Like, what are they doing there? But it's part of the settlement from his war injury. So, there's so much detail to this movie that I love so much that makes me like it better because I know all this inside stuff, but they don't tell you, they don't tell you any of this stuff. So, it's like, when you know, oh, well, that makes sense. Now it makes sense while they're living underground and, you know, how they're getting away with all of this, because they basically have their own compound, you know, it's, it's cooler. But I think the cooks got a regular job. Like, where do they get their paychecks delivered? Like, and they also don't, they also cut that out too. They don't tell the whole story. He's got a whole business rolling round up grill, which is the name of the thing of his son, the side of his truck. So he's got a whole thing going and they're basically killing people, making all the meat down in this place and giving it out to the people in Texas and they love it and they don't realize they're eating people, which is what he finds the tooth, which he's in the, in the chili when he wins the chili cook off. Maybe they do realize and maybe they just don't care. I mean, just don't tell me. You don't ask. You don't know. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, exactly. Wednesday. Thank you so much for coming on, man. This has been fucking fantastic. Thank you. Thank you. It's easy to talk about my favorite movies. That's easy to do. [Music] [Music] [Music] There we are. Many thanks to Wednesday, 13 for coming on to a year in horror to chat about one of his all time favorite movies with us and make sure to check out the links in the notes to grab tickets for his upcoming shows as well. If you want to contact me about, well, anything at all, then I'm available at a year in horror at gmail.com. I mentioned the Patreon earlier. That is a patreon.com forward slash a year in horror. If you do want to contact me, I'll always get back. Just give me a little bit of time. And until next time on a year in horror, let's just simply say this. I'm going to quote some lyrics here. I don't know what I'm feeling or what I should say on how my life changed. The day I stumbled on a grave, not a necrophiliac. I guess I was bored. I love to spend my time with a fresh and bummed corpse. Of course. [Music] (gentle music)