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Wednesday, July 3: Everything Athletic
All right, how is it going? This is another episode of Everything Athletic with yours, truly, Taylor Woods. I am sitting across and have the pleasure of talking with and introducing everyone to Jeremy Golden. He was my strength coach when I was at Cornell University and, you know, some of the fundamental things through my speed of jilly quickness come from him. So he's been the backbone of some of that. That's actually probably a lot of people don't know my strength as a performance coach and it comes from his even knowledge of it, his passion of it and how he coaches through. So Jeremy has a lot of different knowledge, a lot of different stories, but I'll let him introduce himself. Thanks, by the way, I call her Tiger because the last name would, so it just makes sense. But I met Tiger when she was a freshman at Cornell and I think, you know, I was at Cornell for six years. I've been a strength coach for the last 17 years, been a lot of different places, worked with a lot of different sports and I would say that, you know, working with Tiger and her team at Cornell was one of the highlights of my career and it taught me a lot. I mean, she said a lot of nice things about me to start out with, but I think the same can be said for a lot of the philosophies I carry with me, a lot of the discipline I carry with me as a strength coach and a lot of things I do were based off what I did with her and her team. So I think it's definitely been a very mutually beneficial relationship. And I've got a very, I've got a fun little back, I call it a fun background in strength conditioning. I mean, I started out as a walk on football player at the University of Tulsa, never played football before. I walked on at like 125 pounds, couldn't bench the bar and, you know, built my way up and I would say that strength and conditioning was probably the key to me not getting myself just hammered out there. I've been doing this a long time, like I said, I've worked with a lot of different kinds of athletes from basketball to football to hockey to rowing to soccer to tennis to golf. So I have a very well rounded approach, I like to say, because of the number of different teams I've been able to be around. Yeah. No, wow. So, so much to say they're like, first off, like jumping fearless mindset, jumping into just, Hey, I'm just going to walk on to Tulsa, not being able to bench the bar, which, okay, I can't see that happening. But okay, so what's what's going through your mind is like, okay, I want to make this team. I want to join this crew. I want to be this football player. What's going through your mind? Like why did you jump into that? You know, I think a lot of, you know, the innocence of youth, let's put it that way. I didn't understand really a lot about what it took to be an elite division one athlete at that time. I just knew that I loved the game and I wanted to play the game. And when I first approached him about walking on, it was, it was in the, it was in the fall or it was in the spring of my first end of my first year and they said, well, we don't want you walking on when the season starts, we want you to walk on, we can actually teach you and take care of you. So, because during the season, they don't have time, obviously. So, I trade all summer and got myself out, got some weight on me and, you know, picked up some strength and some speed and then walked on, not really knowing what I was doing, just knowing that, you know, I felt I could do it and there was no real external motivation other than just, I like, I love the game, I want to play football player. And it was what I saw myself doing. So, you know, I went through spring practice and I showed enough to, I showed enough knowledge to not get cut because my coach would not cut players. He would let you cut yourself because it was that hard and he never had to cut players. People would just cut themselves. So they didn't think I was going to make it through the first week. I did, then I made it through the first practice and I made it through getting hit the first time. You know, I grew to sort of, I'm pretty adaptable. So I think that's where I saw that I'm adaptable. So I learned pretty quickly that, okay, this is not obviously what I thought it would be, but it's still football and I still want to learn this. So I just have to go in with a mindset of wanting to learn and not thinking, oh, I want to be the, you know, I'm going to be the next Jerry Rice or the next, you know, Tom Brady, whatever it is, I'm not, I couldn't go with that mindset, I went with the mindset of, I have to learn and just really be the best me I can be and, you know, that's going to be enough. And I think that approach helped me because I was able to then, you know, I didn't have this attitude of, well, look at me, I'm going to go and be the starting receiver at the University of Tulsa. No, it was, hey, teach me, help me. What do I do? How do I learn? So that's where that came from. And then once I got into it, I had great teammates, I had great coaches, and I had a great support system around me and people who enjoyed having me out there and that made a big difference. Yeah. And even to all that you said, it's like, okay, you're there because you love playing the game and you just saw it, okay, I just want to be here because I love playing the game. It doesn't matter what day or sort of what hour you had to push through, you pushed through and you did it because of not of the challenge, but more because of what you saw in your heart and even more about learning. So like as you were describing yourself as a player, I just saw what that was in terms of even as you were coaching my team and you're coaching all these teams. And it was a lot of teams at Cornell, how you applied that. How many teams did you actually coach at Cornell? By the time I left Cornell, I think I had eight teams. I think I had, I want to say over 200 athletes I was training. Wow. And you still, and you still brought the passion and what was, well, even two, like I kind of know the answer, but like what was your biggest takeaway when, or like, what do you want to leave the athletes with? My biggest takeaway from Cornell was, you know, well, that's a good question. That's a loaded question. Let's say, from a coaching standpoint, really embrace the people that you have in front of you because through the fact that I had that many teams and that much volume, I had really good people I was working with, from the coaches to the athletic trainers to the athletes. I mean, there were really good people. And I think I'm as guilty as anybody, you kind of, you get stars in your eyes as a coach and you want the big time logo, but I think the one thing I never took for granted at Cornell was the people that I got the opportunity to train. And I, I found myself really trying to like embrace every single day I had, knowing that it wasn't going to last forever. And I think that's what made it so hard to leave when I did leave is because I was leaving the people. And I think that was the biggest, one biggest takeaway was, you know, really embrace the people you have. The other one is, you know, it's okay to be open to people and it's okay to let people see who you are. And I think I learned that from, from you and from a lot of people I trained at Cornell is that, you know, everybody's got everybody's going through something. It's hard. And we can all lean on each other. And there's no judgment. I think that's something that I didn't really do a good job of before I got to Cornell and learn that when I got to Cornell, that even though I was the coach and you were the athlete, it's not about, well, I'm the coach, you do what I say, because I'm the coach. That's not about what it is. It's about, it's about a partnership and it's about working together and helping each other. And that's where I think the best partnerships are formed. Yeah. And honestly, like, because I was a starting up coach, I was doing some personal training at like the Cornell fitness centers, but I knew it's like, okay, like this is my, this is going to be something I was going to step into as a coach. And two things that you actually really taught me really well is that personal aspect and it's not like, okay, it's personal. Like, people say, okay, like I'm close to you or hey, I'm helping you out, but it's something different. It's something different. It's like, okay, you're a part of their team. Every single time they come in, that's the best part of their day. So that's one thing. And then two, just in terms of even just basic training because in the strength and conditioning world, you see just different variations. You see random variations, you see something completely different, but you also have to master the fundamentals. Everything starts at the fundamentals and you could grow from there. So that's one thing. It's like, I sort of realized it, but you just sort of put it into practice and it's like, okay, what can you do with your athletes in practice? So keeping things brutally, like well, not brutally simple, but keeping things simple, knowing, okay, like this is your knee, this is your hinge, this is your push, this is your pull, okay, even in terms of even the S.A.U. stuff, right? That's how I was able to learn, okay, these are the push angles, okay? This is how you approach that cut. This is all based off of being simplistic. So yeah, those are two things that I really learned from you, but let's sort of expand off of going because Cornell was a little bit of a while away for me and for you. So you're based out of California right now. So literally just switchcoast. So what brought you down there? I know California is just beautiful and everything and I know you always wanted to be out in California, but what brought you down there? You know, I've spent, as I've gone in the world of collegiate sports, I've grown a true love and passion for the game of golf and I think golf is something that it's still growing in the fitness, strength, and conditioning world. So I don't, you'll hear the term golf fitness. I, golf fitness to me is golf strength and conditioning, it's strength and conditioning. We're still training an athlete. It's just in the past, golf has been, you know, it's been a niche sport. It's been, you know, the people who go out there in their carton, have a beer and smoke a cigar and hit a few shots and it's a social hour, which yes, it is, which is a beauty of the game too, that you can do that, that, but if you're looking at it from a competitive standpoint, there's so much athleticism in the swing and there's so much athleticism in the game that I really have embraced a lot of that and enjoy that part of it and that's something that I started at Cornell when I was working with men's golf there too, is so much in this game that is, I don't want to say untapped, but that we can learn that, you know, the average everyday golfer can learn from the pros and golf is one of those unique sports. It's not like hockey where, you know, I can watch a pro hockey game and say, well gosh, I can't do that. I can't skate like that. I can't move like that, but we all watch golf tournaments a lot of people are like, well, I can do that, well, you can't, but you're still playing the sport. You might need to be playing the same courses they're playing, but it's not set up the same way. Yeah. So, but I found a true love for this game and love for the strength and condition side of it. And, you know, I spent a long time in college and I was ready for a change and I got the opportunity to come out to California as the director of fitness at a golf club called Tahima Golf Club up in Carmel, California. And when I got the opportunity, I just, I jumped on it and it was a new challenge for me. And I knew it would be different because I wouldn't be training your elite everyday professional or collegiate athlete, but I've also found that the impact I'm making on the people I am training has been just as great, if not greater than when I was training in college athletics. Yeah. Yeah. And that's great. Even they have, again, they're coming to you. They want to improve the golf game, whether it's like, even from like a small, all being standpoint is like, Hey, I want to be able to play this rounds of golf all the way up to it's like, Hey, I want to actually drive farther. I want to be, I want to be more consistent with my chips. And that also takes a little bit of an art in your programming and everything to get that happening. So, okay. Let's, I'll bounce it back to you and I'll put you in the spot. What are a couple of different things that you see with this different population of athletes, right? In terms of golf, like what's, do they have limited rotation? Are there hips set correctly? How's their rest doing? Well, I think what I see, and I am training a few pros right now as well, and I think you can really see it with the pros. And you can see that with any elite athlete is they're so highly skilled at their sport that they can get away with a lot physically. But when they're trying to get to that point from, you know, here to the mountaintop, you've got to fix those imbalances, but they can get away with it for a long time until they're faced with, Hey, I'm in, you know, the first round of the US Open and I'm staring Rory McElroy down and, you know, like, what am I going to do here? Like, that's one of the little things means a lot. So with golfers, you know, you see, you see a lot of imbalances, obviously, because it's a very one side of rotational sport, hips, obviously big, the upper body, lower body, the ability to disconnect those and, you know, get your hips leading, getting, you know, power from the lead leg, all those things are stuff that you see in golf that you have to focus on. And whether it's the pros that I'm training or, for example, I train an 86 year old man who plays every single day who's still trying to get better. And it's like, you know, the approach isn't any different in terms of how you're helping them. The how you're helping them is different, but the approach to the problem isn't necessarily a different in my mind, because I'm still treating that person, whether it's, whether it's Tiger Woods, what next to me or the 86 year old golfer who wants to play every day and stay in the course, I'm still focusing on what they need to be successful. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And again, it's like that individual approach is like, hey, I'm on your team helping you out. And it's with the knowledge base that you do have, it's like, okay, I can help you solve your problems and create a process is like, okay, we're going to get from point A to point B. So what are three different exercises that you would say that are like more like a staple? Maybe that's a hard term to say, but like, what are three exercises that people could do to help generally improve their fitness and their golf fitness? You know, and this is going to sound as simplistic as it all is a squat variation. Yeah. And upper body pool, whether it's a lat pool or a row or any sort of back exercise. And you know, the one thing that I think is lost is how are you training your glutes in your hip, in your hip complex? Because, you know, the glutes, they're really the king, the biggest muscle in your body and it's the king and the gospel and because you create so much power from them. And to me, that's the big centerpiece of your body. A lot of people want to talk about the stomach and the core and all that. You got to have strong glutes. And especially with the power you're generating from the hips and the golf swing. How are you able to move your hips and how are those glutes helping you with that? So if you don't have, if you're not strong back there and that goes into your hamstring work as well, then you're, you're missing the boat and something. So I would say a hip, true hip hinge, RDL, single leg RDL, any kind of motion like that is huge in the golf swing. Nice. And how to also teach you how to, also teach you how to hinge and how to be able to have that little disconnecting your upper body, lower body. Yeah. And just the awareness, right? Because everything happens. Their movements even too, like in a golfer, it's like, it's so minuscule, right? Things could change up slightly and it's like, okay, you slice it or you, like you chunk it. Yeah. Maybe not Rory. Uh, hopefully, Rory, what yesterday was like minus four at the Canadian Open. I don't know if you're keeping up with that. Um, but yeah, I think he's, he has a lot of pressure on him going into the weekend. Um, I was going to ask you two questions, one, one big one, uh, one a little bit more, I guess, nonchalant, but, um, you're seeing the pros today. You're seeing even like the live golf, the PDA, uh, we won't get into that drama. Uh, you're seeing even the L L PDA, um, what is the things like even too from like a performance coach standpoint? Um, what's one thing that they're doing right? And one thing that maybe could change, maybe throughout the season, maybe throughout like a mindset thing, like what are things that you're noticing? I think the most, you know, I, and I can't really speak on what they could do better because it's so individualized. I can say that they're training and they're doing something and I think that's the most important piece, the puzzle there is there is, is, is, there's an approach now in the game of golf where taking care of your body is actually a good thing in the past. I, you know, for many years, it was like, Oh, don't lift weights. You're going to get too bulky. You're going to get too slow. You're going to lose your speed. That's not the case anymore. There's so much new research and, and, and science out there that says otherwise. And there's so many good performance coaches that, um, these players are taking advantage of that and hiring a good performance coach is a big part of their team. That's a big hire for them and, um, being able to have the ability to, if their performance coach doesn't travel with them, like on the, some of the smaller tours, they don't just for money purposes, they have their training plans with them, whether it's on their phones or sent to them via, you know, uh, excel finals or whatever it may be, they have their plans with them. So they're never stopping training. They may be changing and adjusting based on where they are in the season, but these players are still training hard. And I think it shows and that's where I think you see this, this rise in distance off the tee. Cause everybody wants to, wants to hit it far and yeah, a lot of technique is involved in that and a lot of, of being skilled as a golfers involved in that, but at the same time it's also, they're stronger, they're more explosive, they're fitter. And I think another thing I would say that they're doing, the people are doing right is it's a team, it's a team collaboration. Now it's not just performance coaches doing the weights, friends coaches doing the swing, your PT is doing your, your treatment, whatever it may be, they're all working together. Like, like if I have a golfer on training, I want to talk to that swing coach. I want him to, him or her to tell me what is going on with this person's swing. Okay. Cause I'm seeing from a bio, from a biomechanical standpoint, this, how is that carrying over to what you see from the golf side of things and how can we now put those two together to fix the issue? Well, and I think it's huge. I think it's like a big approach where it's like, you can get a team and you can pick your team. And I think it's essential for high performance athletes to have a selected team of athletes that they trust that they could go to based off of different expert things. And maybe the systemings, this sort of popped up because of the performance coaching and golf came up sort of around when Tiger, Tiger was coming big. And he went through just tons of different injuries battling through, but there was a point in time where I was like, okay, there was too much golf you were getting too bulky. And then what do you think was the change to going back to strength and conditioning and golf? I think it's just, I think the biggest thing, it's just been experience over the years and knowledge that we've gained. And I think the Tyler's Performance Institute has played a big role in, and, you know, bringing awareness to golfers and building an assessment protocol where you can actually assess their movement and build individually based off what you believe in, build a fitness program based off of those assessments, I think. So I think it's just the overall growth that we see in sports. I think, you know, I mean, fitness has always been sort of a, it's always been a place where people, you know, you can attest to this, they used to think that you go on the weight and just get big. You know, we got to get big today. We've got to throw weight around. It's got to be loud. It's got to be crazy. We're not going to go in there. If we can't lift a certain amount of weight, which obviously could not be further from the truth. I mean, the weight room, in a sense, saves lives because it helps you move again. And movements, the biggest thing we can do in life, you know what I mean? I always tell, I tell everyone of my clients, every athlete, the object in motion stays in motion. So if you can stay in motion, you're going to be that much healthier and that much better off. Gary Player is an example. I think he started training. He was, before Tiger was big, Gary Player was the one who was doing a lot of training. And he sort of started the whole fitness craze. And then Tiger was such a big name and loved by so many and just changed the way people saw the game of golf because he brought, I mean, he was years ahead of his time. He brought and approached the game that we see now 20 years ago. And he was so such a big out of this world figure that people saw what he was doing and wanted to do it. And that really helped. I think that really helped grow golf fitness and helped to grow strength and conditioning in the game of golf. And got people to say, we've got to do this because we can't keep up with this guy right now. You know, and they couldn't for many years. I mean, he was dominant for such a long stretch. It really is a shame that, you know, Tiger had the injuries he had. And I can't say they're caused because we don't know. We're not there. You know, we don't know what caused his injuries besides, you know, him getting in a car accident that really affected where he is now and things like that. But what we can say is what he gave the sport was something that will last far beyond our lifetimes and beyond because he created something that was like, Hey, you know, it's okay to be strong. It's okay to be fast. It's okay to lift a weight and, you know, show your bicep coming through your shirt. You know, I mean, and now, you know, the PGA, LPGA live, they're all doing it. And it's for me, it's exciting. As a performance coach, it's very exciting to see it and it's exciting to see all the people out there. They're getting behind it and see the other performance coaches that are excited about golf and working with golf. It's just really, to me, it's been a long time coming. Yeah. Yeah. And I agree, like you don't know what I completely, I completely forgot about Tiger, Tiger's injury in his car accident. So that does play a big sense into it, but sort of relating to sort of modern times and sort of seeing Charlie come up, okay, Charlie's now being mentored, of course, by Tiger. Do you think he will be better or create a bigger legacy? That's a lot of pressure on him, but people already talked about it and he's still a kid. He's still a teen. Yeah, I don't, and I don't think it's fair to him. I mean, what if he doesn't want to have that legacy? What if he just enjoys playing golf? And I think it's really hard because, and I think Tigers are the best he can to protect him, but it's almost a play, it's almost a play. At the end of the day, there's only one Tiger Woods. And that's just where it is. And we all in this society, everybody's still looking around, who's next Michael Jordan? Who's the next Tom Brady? We're always looking for the next. Can't we just appreciate what they brought? And I think like there's never going to be another Michael Jordan. There might be players, Caleb Ron, who were just as good in a different way, but what Michael Jordan did for the game of basketball, there's never going to be another one of those. What Tiger Woods has done for the game of golf, there's not going to be that. And I think it's, and it's really hard too, because right now we're seeing Tiger on the, you know, struggle, and we're not used to that. We're used to a dominant Tiger Woods. And I think a lot of us, myself included, still believe he can do this. He can come back, I think, personally, from a physical standpoint, the fact that the man is walking again and able to play 18 rolls of competitive golf is probably victory enough. Yeah. Yeah. That's a testament to who he is as an athlete, to his mental fortitude. Because we could go on the, we could go on a total other tangent about mental toughness. But to me, mental toughness is showing up every day. And the fact that that man is showing up and getting up six hours before around just to get his body ready. So if he tees off at 9.30 in the morning, he's up at 3.30 getting his body ready. Like that's mental fortitude. That's showing up. I think that's the lessons that we can learn in life, when people are, you know, tired because they got to get up at 7 a.m. to get to work by and behind, you know, it's tough and it's a tough life they live as well. I think, you know, Lexi Thompson said it this week in her retirement announcement that it's a very lonely world and it's very repetitive and the training is hard and you do a lot of things over and over again that aren't a lot of fun. Which I'll say it maybe off topic, but simple looks simple, simple will always went out in the end. Yeah. Simple, as you said, team and even to just like, Tiger's not getting up at 3 a.m. just because like, okay, the alarm went off. It's like, okay, like he wants to. He wants to do well if he wants to do these things. So it's easier for him. Going back to even my question that I really wanted to ask you because you golf, you golf, have you been out sort of a little bit on the golf course that you work at? I have, I have, it's probably one of the hardest golf courses I've ever played in my life. It is so challenging. It's so hilly. It's the only course I've never walked yet because it's so hilly to walk. But it's a lot of fun and, you know, I can go out there and play quite a bit. I, you know, I mean, I go out a couple of times a week and play here a couple of times a week and play somewhere else. It's a great area for golf being right near, right next to Pebble Beach. So there's, you have all the Pebble Beach courses on top of that. You've got, you know, a lot of great public courses in this area, a lot of great clubs in this area. It's just a very golf-centric area. And so. So extreme. Yeah. Yeah, it's a golf history. It's, it's a lot of fun. And there's a lot of great, great opportunities to get out there and play and explore different courses and, you know, see the area and learn the area. And, you know, the weather did not cooperate. This one are very well for us, but, you know, for the most part, the weather cooperates and it's never that hot, it's 70, 75 and, you know, and you get a good mix up here because, you know, one, you're by the ocean, but also you're near the mountain. So if you want to play in ocean course, you can, if you want to play a mountain course, you can play a mountain course. This sounds like, like my Wii sports game, hey, you go out for golf and you get to choose which setting you want. Exactly. It's kind of like that, it's kind of like that, it's really cool. So what's the hardest course that you've played and then if you can make a course, what would it be? Like what's the yardage, what's the par, is it a dog leg? Boy, I mean, I think for me, I, this course is one of the hardest I've played because it's such a shot maker's course. Yeah. Yeah, you need distance, but you really need to be able to chip and putt because these greens are so fast and the green complexes are so, they differ on every hole and it's, you have to be good with your short irons and your wedges and your, and your putter. I think that's what makes a fun course. And then if you're on top of that, if you want to add some distance, then you've got a U.S. open course and, and then it becomes that much harder. So I think a mix of all of that, but I think this course is hard because it's such a shot maker's course and because yeah, like I said, you do have to have some distance and distance does help you, but you got to be able to land some, some short irons and some wedges on the green and hold it on the green and be able to make those putts. And that's what makes a fun golf course for me. Nice. And this is, I mean, after, you know, and we have really mentioned this after what I've been through physically the last few years is being able to play golf again as a blast for me. Yeah. Yeah. Um, didn't didn't mention it, but yes, um, you had some hip surgery too and you've worked through that and got your body back. Um, search or spotting, uh, benching, uh, doing all the things with a new hip. So very good on that. You didn't really dive into your training, but what's going to be, uh, some big PRs for you on the horizon? You know, I'm, I had a very, I'll say this, I had a very bad relationship with training for many years because all I felt was pain and I was going through so many back issues and hip issues and I had a torn labor in my hip that turned out to be worse than a torn labor. My had cysts on my hip. I had cartilage damage. They had a shame bone. I mean, there was a lot of issues with it. So every time I would try to train, it didn't work. I wasn't able to stay healthy because I would just get hurt. So once I had surgery, it took, they told me to take about two years before you really felt decent again and they were right. So I attacked PT pretty well, was able to get back into a pretty good rhythm of training and then life kind of got in the way and I wasn't able to for a while. And when I got here, I said, okay, well, now I've got time to do that. So I want to get my bench back up. I want to be able to actually squat other than just a dumbbell goblet squat. You know, there's other things that I, I'm not done yet. I'm too young to, to even worry about that and even if I'm not, you know, I mean, I've got a lot of life left in me from training standpoint. So I, I actually hired a trainer. I'm a big believer that coaches need coaches. I was not able to coach myself the right way. So I have one of my really good friends, I'm going to plug her, her name is Kesa Kuiper. She is my personal strength coach and she's going to roll her eyes and disagree with me when she hears this, but she has changed the way I look at training and she's not here. So it's all base, it's all via, you know, an app, but just the fact that I have somebody I can send videos to somebody who has taken the time to understand what I need and push me to a new level that I didn't think I could push myself to. That's been huge for me. And I was able recently to get back to 225 bench, which I never thought I would do. Never in my life that I think I'd get back to 225 on bench press. Never in my life that I think I would actually do a zerger squat. I really barely thought I'd ever use a barbell again. I hadn't touched a barbell in probably two or three years, maybe longer. I had not touched a barbell. My workouts had been a lot of dumbbells, a lot of TRX, a lot of bands, which is fine. And it worked great for a while, but the fact that I can go back and use a barbell and I have somebody pushing me to say, you've done this, you can do this, try it. And I know that somebody else has that confidence in me. That gives me good confidence too. And it's not that I need validation. It's that we all need help and we all need to have that person pushing us. Yeah. 100%. Like you do better things better in teams, right? I know that from hockey. I know that from work. I know that learning back from you. So I appreciate that. But yeah, you told about your strength coach, but where can people contact you? See what you're doing. See what you're doing in the golf world. Yeah, just tell them how people could get ahold of you. Yeah. So I mean, I'm on social media. I'm on Instagram, it's at J_goldin85. I don't post a ton, but I'm on there. And, you know, you can reach me via that, you know, anybody DM's in me, I see all my DMs. That's probably the best way to get ahold of me. I have been publishing some publications now. I just recently was published in the Golf Fitness Association of America. So you can look that up. If you just do a basic Google search and that, you'll find me. And I think they have a link to a way that they can contact me there as well. Nice. Yeah, I think that's the best way to get ahold of me. And I'm going to start posting some more. I'm very, I don't like to post a lot of my own training sessions. It's just one of those things. And I don't really post what I'm doing with my clients here because it's a very private thing that I do with them, and I like to keep it that way for them as well. But I'm always open to talk to people and get to know people. I think what I really like about the world of performance, I think for the most part, people are very collaborative and people really want to learn from each other. And especially the world golf, you know, there's really no secrets out there. We're just trying to help these players get better at the game's golf. And I take a lot of pride in that. I think that's one of the biggest prides I have as performance coaches. If I can just see somebody get a little better because of something we did. Maybe last 72 holes, you know, that they never did or maybe they hit the ball 10 yards further than they say. I've never felt stronger. Little things like that, that's, that's where I feel like I make the impact. And then you see players who want to do it consistently, hey, we're, we're really excited about this. Oh, look, I did this today in the weight room. I did this. I'm so excited about this. And you see, it doesn't matter if it's a college athlete or somebody was 80 years old. When you see somebody get excited about something they didn't do before they can do, I think that's the reason we do what we do. Oh, 100%. That's, that's the reason why I do what I could, I connect with you on the same level. Yeah, because even during my strongman training, it's like, it's amazing how people are, are intimidated to pick up like a sandbag and then all of a sudden it's okay, we'll start from a base, build it up. And then, yeah, you have people that are like anywhere from 15 to up to 80 picking up the sandbag and that's general acts of living as well. And I can give you a real quick, I can give you a real quick example. I've started training somebody here and she was always strong, even before I started training her, but I decided she was doing really well and I said, okay, I'm going to train her a little bit differently. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to raise the level on her a little bit. And about a month ago, she picked up 40 pound dumbbells. She tried to bench them. They just collapsed, couldn't even, couldn't even help her up with them. They just collapsed. Yesterday she hit him. Wow. So that and to see, and I have, I mean, to me, I'm like, that's all you. She's like, no, that's you're helping me as well. That's all you. But to see the look in her eye when she got it, that's, to me, that's why we do what we do. It's all about, it's all about being able to, you know, help others achieve their goals. Yeah. Without forgetting about ourselves, do we all have to take care of ourselves and try to achieve our goals? But when we're doing that and we're helping others achieve their goals, I think that's that, that inspires me to keep going and say, okay, I got, I got to do this, I got to do this. No, that, that inspires me to, and for me, I compete tomorrow. So that inspires me to compete for tomorrow. But yes, I thank you for coming on. I will probably bring you back on at some point because you're going to be writing different papers, doing different things in your Instagram, changing the golf world one golf for at a time. And then who knows? Like maybe I'll get out there and golf against you and see how LT Gray does. So you mean you are the LT Gray, me, of course, I got to get a new driver though, my driver is broken. I do want to say this and this is seeing where you are and how far you've come. It's just so cool to me. I will never forget the day that you hit your first PR on power clean. And I mean, I just, I just laugh about it because everybody was so scared for you to do that. Wait, I was scared. I was like, no, no, it's too big a jump and you're like, I'm going to do it. And that was, that was one of the times that was my light bulb moment for me is like, okay, I have to trust her. She says she's going to do it. I have to trust that she knows what she's doing. And I think that was, that was a big moment for me to say, okay, I'm going to step back and let you do it. And when you hit it, it's a serious reaction and your teammates jump on you and I don't think I stopped smiling for about two days after that. I was so happy. I was happy too. I was chasing that for a long time. 195 on a bar that didn't have any bearings. They were not Olympic, they were not Olympic bars. They were not Olympic bars, but they may have said they were Olympic bars, but that was not a true Olympic bar. No. No, it was tough on the wrist, but it builds it up, it builds up the strength. Yeah. But yes, I appreciate it. This was another episode of Everything Athletic. If you enjoyed it, just let us know. And thank you, Jeremy, for coming on. No, thank you. I really appreciate it. [BLANK_AUDIO]