Episode 97 of the Beerists podcast recorded January 30th, 2013. Dump Bucket Boogie. So, I was really drunk last time. Yeah. Yeah. It was bad. It got real bad. You pissed yourself. No. And it was hard to smell the beer because we were smelling your piss. That did not happen. There's still a stain on the carpet. I haven't changed my pants. It's like all the carpet is clean, all around the rest of us and mics is like different color stains all around the carpet is disgusting. I'm John Rubio and that's a weird intro. Yeah, it is. What the fuck? I'm Ryan Amish. Ryan! I'm so glad you're back. I act like I'm surprised that you're here. Ah! We also have with us. Grand Davis. You're dashing today. Okay. Also with us. Mike Lambert. Mike. You're not dead. Yeah. I know. I wasn't even hung over the next day. It's crazy. Holy shit, man. I haven't had a hangover since before GABF. It's all biting its time. It's going to take you one day and you're just going to die. I'm just going to die earlier. That's all. Anyway. So today we're doing a little assortment of beers, three of which were sent to us by Jonathan Murphy. Jonathan Murphy, thank you so much. He sent us a lot of beer in the past and we're just getting to some of it. And the other two, I made a couple of trades. So I'm excited for those. Me too. There's a good one in there. Yeah. But we'll get to that. Yeah. Good conversation. Yes. Sorry. Yeah. But before we get to those beers, I want to read an email. And this one says, "Hello, Beerus." Hi. I don't think I can hear you little. Yeah. Hello, Beerus. First off, just some quick ball-washing. Love the show and thank you guys and gal really rock and deserve the awards and accolades you receive. My OCD had me start listening to the show from the start well episode three in this case. Well, I'm currently at episode 69, so still a ways to go. So if you've answered my question on the show, I do apologize. Anyway, keep up the good work. I have a question regarding Jolly Pumpkin's La Roja. I saw a few of these on the shelf recently along with some other Jolly Pumpkin beers and was tempted to purchase one. However, I stopped short like Kramer when I saw that it was brewed two and a half years ago. Now, I know this is a while. They'll in a lot of wild and sours can get better with age, but it's two and a half years past the prime on this beer. I held off for now since I'm just getting into sours as of lately and I'm still learning so any help would be much appreciated. Steve Papalardo, if I'm pronouncing this wrong, Steve, actually don't tell me because I like to say it's Papalardo. What else would it be? Papalardo? I don't know. Papalardo. He comes from a very large Italian family. Yes. There's a lot of dads. Anyway, so what do you guys think? I don't really have very much experience with aged Jolly Pumpkin. You got to buy it and then find a fresh one. Try it. I agree with Ryan. The Roja for me is one of the most inconsistent beers that I've had from them. Some of them are fantastic. One of the bottles that I had was one of the most oaked bottles that I've had of any beer ever. It was just like this oak bomb, but I really think that most of them get better with age despite the inconsistency. So if I saw a two and a half year old bottle of any Jolly Pumpkin in the store, I would totally buy that up and drink it. Yeah, to you guys this point, Laraja is a very inconsistent beer. For me, it's been consistently good, but it goes in cycles as to maybe this one's more dry, this one's more fruity, so it changes in flavor quite a bit from batch to batch. And that really doesn't do very well when it comes with trying to predict how well it's going to age, I don't think, but I'd say go ahead and try it. But like Ryan said, I would also get a fresh one and try it side by side with that. Agreed. Cool. Thanks, Steven. And this name, I'll do it at info@theberests.com. We really appreciate it and love reading all your stuff. I tuned shout outs. We got a couple of those to give one from Steve Papalardo. Oh, I get to say, as me more than once this time, he stumbled upon our podcast while searching the beer advocate forums for another beer show to listen to. He says that the other podcasts, which shall remain unnamed, does not even hold a candle to ours. And now he has a hard time going back to the other one. So basically, you could insert any name of any beer podcast. Yeah. He finds his highly educational, we'll keep him laughing on his commute, kudos and keep up the good work he says. Thank you so much, Steve. I'm going to go back and look for that post on beer advocate and I'm going to come back and say it. Man, that's fucked up. I've got a lot of time on my hands now. I know. VM Dominguez looks forward to the latest episode of the Beerus. Like he looks forward to the latest issue of beer advocate. Is beer advocate doing this right now? They just want advertising on our website. Um, no, this is not happening. He says we're definitely the best podcast out there and we've taught him to appreciate good beer all the while keeping him laughing. Well, thank you, VM. Awesome. And if any of you guys want to do this for us, it's really easy to do. It's free. Get on the iTunes music store, do a search for the Beerus, leave us a five star rating and write a review. It helps us show out immensely, it gets more eyes on our show because it bumps us up to the front page of the iTunes music store. We appreciate it. We got a couple of donations and this week we got reoccurring donations. I mean, these are people who have already signed up for reoccurring donations. And we got one from Ashken Abu Sayadi again. Sweet. Thank you so much, Ashken. And Joseph Subly Bridges also. Very, very cool. Awesome, guys. How can other people do this? Well, if you go on to the Beerus.com on the left hand side of the page is a PayPal donate link. Click on it and kick us some money, uh, five bucks, ten bucks, fifteen bucks and you get bonus awesome points. If you click that little, uh, box that says reoccurring and that'll send us a new payment of whatever amount that you decided to send us like once a month and it's cool. And it'll give you peace of mind that every time you hear us trying to guilt everyone to, hey, help support our show, you know you're already doing it. You've done your part. Yeah. You're not a fucking freeloader. Right. You don't have to feel bad. Like everyone else listening to this. You know who you are. Well, there are a few people that have also helped us out in the past. I mean, it's not everybody. The majority of them. Okay. The majority of you fuckers are freeloaders. Yeah. But what have you done for me lately? Even Ryan mesh has something money before. Oh, yeah. It's very true. He was on the show. Mike Lambert has to and now the grand Davis. Yeah. I think we've all done it. I just felt bad because I just every time I'm on here, it's like, Oh, hey, Ryan, you're just drink eight, nine, ten beers. Okay. Like this must cost money. Yeah. Every week for me. So you don't even donate any talent to the mic. Oh, shit. It's already started. Shots fired. Yeah. It's interesting. I came in here. It's been a long time since I've been on and I've been told that there's new rules about who I'm allowed to make fun of and not make fun of on this show. That's not true. I just want to make sure that our number one enemy, the deaf is still fair game. Are we still on a shit on those assholes? I mean, we know some deaf people and they're real sweet. Hi, Aaron. Hi, Aaron. He can't hear you. Yeah. Aaron, if you have a secret machine that converts sound to voice words on the screen, voice words on the screen. Yeah. That's type for those of you who are aware. But this is kind of why there are enemies, isn't it? Yes. Because they're not even making that for to hear us. This is not cool at all. And those fucking Amish. Hey, let's get to this show. I forgot about the goddamn Amish. We have a show. Okay. So let's get to it first. Cisco Pedaller Bike Path Blueberry Blaire. Wow. That's actually what it's called. That's how I would have pronounced it. Cisco Pedaller Bike Path Blueberry Blaire. Yeah. It says it on the bottle, too. B-L-E-E-R. Blaire. Mm-hmm. And this is by Cisco Brewers, and then Tuck it. Matt? What's Matt? Matt. Matt. Is Matt Massachusetts? It is. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I thought you were kidding. I didn't know. Yeah, me too. I'm 38 years old. I'm 38 years old. Yeah. Matt. You're trying to make a joke. Matt. I don't know how... Nantucket, man. I don't know where Nantucket is. What? Massachusetts? I don't get out very much. 6.3% ABV, and this is a one-time release available in bottles and on draft. And this is ale aged in oak with blueberries. And it smells delicious. It was already covered. It's just on the table, and I can smell it from here. Do you think people will use, or guys use, "Hey, I'm from Nantucket as like a pick up line to ladies?" Yes. Always. Yes. Wouldn't you? Nothing does imply you're well on that. Holy shit. So this... The description says, "Summer means many things on Nantucket, but perhaps most importantly, it means I like to suck it." It means blueberries and bicycles, actually. Have fun wearing helmets. And help get the bike path built by rolling your dick down that thing. By quaffing this fruity fundraiser, proceeds benefit the... Go ahead. The Hummuk! What is the Hummuk Pond Road Bike Path Project? Thank you, Jonathan Murphy. Oh boy. Oh yeah, Cisco, Petalur, Bike Path, Blueberry, Blair. So check in this beer. Ooh. That's a very pretty plumb red. Yeah. Easy. She eats a purple. Yeah. It's translucent. I could kind of see a little bit through it, but it's... I'm trying to look at you through this, and I always see my sad face in the reflection. As soon as you poured it, though, I could just smell the blueberries, like... Just walking out of it? Yeah. Yeah. And smelling this thing, it's pretty nice. It just smells like blueberry cereal. There's like a juicy blueberry from Concentrate, almost cranberry juice aroma to it. Something a little bit sweet about those blueberries in the nose. But there's also like this funkiness to it too. There's something almost solvent-like that I'm getting out of this as well, like a cleaner kind of smell. There's an oakiness for sure, but then there's also something that's reminiscent of pine salt for me. Man, now that you say it, I'm getting it. I didn't get it until I first took a sip. I don't smell the pine salt. Yeah, I kind of jumped the gun, and I was expecting to have tart mixed with the sweetness, and I kind of got a bit of a thinner mouth feel with an odd flavor. I really can't pin it out. It's floral. It's potpourri. I don't know. So I just took a sip of it too. When I come right out and say, "I don't fucking like this at all," that's fine. That's really odd because, yeah, it's thin body. It seems to just dissipate off the palate right away, except it seems to almost coagulate right at the very end and give this little thick jam punch. But it's not as blueberry jammy as I would hope. No carbonation to it, really. Yeah. There's a soapiness here for me. You know, it's weird. I'm tasting something that's akin to Kool-Aid, unsweetened Kool-Aid powder. Okay. You mentioned a blueberry flavor that's been Kool-Aid powder, right? Absolutely. And then there's something in there that reminds me of old lady perfume, and I don't know exactly what kind of perfume old ladies are wearing today, but there's a floral quality that's not jiving with the rest of it and a solvent-y thing. I don't know. Moth balls. Yeah. Okay. I get rubber. Yes. Okay, totally. And old cinnamon sticks, not the spicy punch of it, but just kind of like an old stale one that's no good anymore. That makes sense. That kind of goes along with that old lady perfume. It's kind of pulper-reliant. Yeah. It's like rubber and pulper-free. Which is insane because that nose made it seem very interesting. You know, I mean, it smells phenomenal, like a good two or three feet away from the glass. I know. But as soon as you get into it, it gets worse and worse until you taste it. And Cisco does one of my favorite sours. Oh, yeah. The little bluey wood. The lady of the woods is really awesome, and this isn't. No. I mean, it's so disappointing. It's not good. My expectations for this beer were really high. Yeah. If this was someone's homebrew, I didn't know, I'd be like, "Okay, it's not terrible." I just expected from Cisco a brewery that does a really good sour, making a special one off blueberry beer that this would be phenomenal, and the way it smells. Yeah. You're saying it's not even a decent homebrew. I mean, that's just like- Right. Yeah. Take note. Ryan lies about people's homebrew. They look like they're good or something. Don't we all though? Yes. That's what you're fucking doing. Oh, man. But this beer is so bad, it can suck it. Oh, you know, I'm pouring it. Gone. Does anybody else want some water for their glass to get that rich shit out of there? Yeah. I'm sorry. That wasn't good. I don't know. You don't have to apologize. Jonathan Murphy has to have fucking apologize. He spent money this and this to us. He could still fucking say he's sorry. I mean, you know, his track record has been really good. Like he said this is some really good stuff. Oh, that's true. Just bullshit. This wasn't one of them. Sorry, Jonathan. He's not responsible for beer sucking. He works in Cisco. I don't think he does. Wow. Got some Spain in today. The next beer that we're going to get into is called Genghis Pecan. This is a Pecan pie porter from Clown Shoes brewed actually at Mercury Brewing in Ipswich. Man. It is a 7% ABV limited release available in bottles. What is the evacuation for Maine? Maine? M-E-M-E. Yeah. Yeah. Good call. Ever since you didn't know which one it was, all of a sudden it's like fuck. I don't even know what to do. I do that all the time. I don't understand why the fuck I-- Minnesota is M-N. Yes. So on the bottle, it says our new Pecan pie porter no longer uses extract, but rather brown sugar and pecans roasted by friends at Q's nuts in Somerville, Massachusetts. Buddy Hardy, a rep at Bella Vista, and-- [LAUGHTER] That was insane, Pat. Shut up. Pennsylvania gave me the name for this beer, the second Pecan beer now that he is named. Thank you, buddy. Sent again by Jonathan Murphy. This beer is completely opaque. Yeah. That's some very thin highlights around the perimeter. Very dark brown and dark brown head too. Yeah. Nice tan head. Is that bad? There was about a finger of it before it dissipated. That smells delicious. This smells really, really good. It smells like a pecan pie almost. Yeah. Pecan pie loves a chocolate. A pecan pie beer that smells like pecan pie? It's crazy. I know. And a lot of chocolate and a lot of molasses. I'd agree it smells like that. I don't think I really like pecan pie. Really? Mm, brown sugar, lots of brown sugar, a little bit of coffee maybe. It's something vegetal about it too though. I agree with you. Yeah, chocolate kind of in the Hershey chocolate sort of vein. Yeah. There's cabbage. Did you get cabbage? I get a little pepper skin. I don't, but I'm not sensitive to it. Cabbage and maybe baby powder. Okay, the talcum powder I can understand. But I'm not getting anything cabbagey or DMS-y. Really? There's a little bit of a hint of that, but I'm going to wait until I taste it to really say for sure. I get malt cocoa, malt chocolatey. No, it's too. Oh, I'm picking up pepper and the flavor of this one. There's something bell peppery for me. Before we do that, let's just go on to describing the actual beer. Sure. I like the mouthfeel of it. It's thick and nice. Mm-hmm. I'm feeling cocoa and like a mocha sort of flavor to it. There's more coffee in there and a little less pecan in the flavor. More coffee than I was thinking there was going to be based on the nose. Yeah. It's kind of this chocolate syrupy. It's a little earthy. Yeah. Earthy. Very good descriptor. And there's, yeah, earthy chocolate syrupy pecans. I can actually taste pecans. I can taste pecans. There's something a little chalky to it as well. Yeah. Something asphalty. Like there's an asphalt note toward the end that happens for me. I like all of that stuff. There's a tobacco quality that I'm enjoying. Sure. A little bit of leather. But it's kind of nasty about this beer. Like Michael was saying, bell pepper. Initially you said pepper and I immediately thought you meant like black pepper. Mm-hmm. But like green bell pepper. Green bell pepper. Exactly that. I kind of taste it towards the back end of my sip. Yeah. When it's already cleared my palate, I can kind of taste on the roof of my mouth and the back of my tongue. And that's the one. It's the one. Yeah. It's the one thing that's left over for me and it makes me want to keep sipping and then I keep getting that for her again and then it's this horrible vicious cycle of abuse. DMS can be something like that. It can be something like creamed corn, something like boiled corn or boiled cabbage. And DMS stands for... Dymethos sulfide. Yeah. Yeah. I mean this is probably the like 40th episode where I've asked that question you guys have answered it for a minute. Sorry. No, but it's good because you never know who's picking up the podcast. Exactly. Exactly. It's the first time for me every time too. Hey. This could have been really fucking good if it weren't for that DMS note. I don't even want to play the game anymore. I'm going home guys. How are we going to get drunk when we've drained forward like two of these already? I don't know. Luckily Mike came drunk already again. No, I didn't. And I've actually heard a lot of good things about this beer in the past too. I've heard that it was a very good beer and I never had it before, never had the opportunity to. And this is my first time I get to try it and it's got that off flavor right in the middle of it. The clown shoes here in Austin, Texas. Yes. But do they sell this beer in particular here? I haven't seen this beer yet. I haven't seen it either. In the more I drink it because I haven't quite poured mine out as quickly as granted. Neither of I was just sitting. It's kind of building. The off-air is building which is sad. It's getting stronger. It's getting stronger. For those at home, this fault in the beer comes from either not boiling long enough which I'm guessing a professional brewery boiled long enough. It sometimes means the beer didn't quite finish fermenting or cleaning up in the bright tank before they went ahead and bottled it and it's a flavor of yeast being stressed out. You sometimes see it in new home brewers. It wasn't given enough time to hang around and clean itself up before it got bottled. And then potentially conditioned again and it's unhappy and it starts kicking off weird sulfide-y sort of flavors and yeasty blue balls. You don't see it too often from commercial breweries. It's a shame that this one suffers from it. It could be a batch to batch issue too. Probably it doesn't damn the beer in general. I got to say, I mean I did like the other flavors that were going on but that totally fucked it up for me. Agreed. What was that? Gengus pakam was better. Like I said, I've heard lots of good things about it and I hope that the next time I get to try it, it doesn't have that off flavor in it. Well the question is, will we be able to make it through the break without filling up the dump bucket all the way? I still know. Oh man. I don't know. It's already getting there. I haven't seen it this full in a really long time. Yeah, no shit. Wow. Been having all these good episodes lately. I know. I know why you got called here. It seems like every time Ryan comes here we have a shitty, I was actually thinking that this is going to be awesome. Thinking about Cisco doing a sour, hell yeah, Gengus pakam, which I've heard so many good things about. And I know that I like the breed night shift. And that's the brewery that breath is next beer that we're about to have. This beer is viva habanero. And this is a rye ale brewed with agave nectar and aged from fresh habanero peppers. So that sounds cool already. Like I really like how that sounds. And I like night shift brewing from Everett Matt and their viva habanero is 7% ABV. It's bottled and on draft and it's a 750 millimeter corkton cage bottle batch 21 bottled on 10 11 2013 brewed with rye malts that bring their own natural spice. This invigorating Cervessa gets its zesty kick and peppery flavor from habanero peppers that we add after fermentation agave nectar produced in Mexico helps to sweeten and lighten the body while our Belgian house yeast strain tempers the beer's fiery disposition. Thank you, Jonathan Murphy. Dope. Mahogany Brown. Brown. Yeah. You can't really see through it at all. It's dense. Decent head. And I smell chili peppers. Oh, yeah. I've been narrow. There's the actual pepper flesh that I'm getting here. Yeah. That's different tone than the pepper flesh that we got in the previous one. This is a lot brighter. This smells on purpose. This smells on purpose. You get kind of this charry note from it as well. It's like a roasty pepper. You can smell the rye popping through, too. Yeah. So there's like a nice bounce to the aroma. It's not just an assault of peppers. A nice sweet multi note on the nose, too. Yeah. This isn't going to be spicy, right? I don't know. I'm smelling citrusy habanero skin. Yeah, but it doesn't smell like it's that coarse pepper, like that chalky pepper flavor. It doesn't really smell like capsaicin. I have yet to see a brewery extract the capsaicin when they're using a really, really hot pepper. So we'll see what happens. And this smells great, like citric and a little bit of brown sugar. This beer is really fucking good. Yeah. You just take a sip? I did. Me, too. This might be the best pepper beer I've ever tried. Oh, wow. Nice. Oh, wow. This is masterful. Wow. That pepper note is nice and subtle. There's definitely a spiciness that's there, but it's so accessible. Exactly. Everything's really well incorporated here. This is great. Okay, so lots of citrus and agave and lime, like there's a lime quality that comes through. I really like the amount of habanero and how it's expressed. It's a really nice woody, earthy sort of thing, but it doesn't feel like it's bringing down the brightness of the agave. All the agave stuff and the citric stuff still feels bright and sunny and shiny, but you still have an earthy component to it. I like that. It's like the pepper is riding the hop note. It's almost a substitution in a way where that's like the spicy kick, where it's kind of citric. The degree of spice, what's that called? Scoville. Scoville. The taste makes me think a little bit more like green chilies than habanero, but like a nice green chili beer. I mean, it gives a lot of some more flavors I get from green chili as well. I agree with that. I mean, I do get a little bit of that greenness, that fresh, vegetal note. It's really nice here. The malt backbone also seems to have a bit of a honey note. It's kind of like a graham cracker-y, very, very light graham cracker. So what you were saying, Grant, with the green pepper note, you're right. It does taste a little green, but it's that slightly unripe and habanero when it's still that translucent green color before it moves over to that bright orange. A green chili. Right. Yeah, he's talking more of like... Oh, like a hatch chili or something like that. Oh, okay. You know what I really like about this also is that right in the middle, like after I've taken my first swallow, there is something in there that's a little bit like a candy, like a smarty's candy or something, but not in the same way as a sour or a wild beer does it. This is more of the flavor rather than the feeling of the sugar. The other thing that's cool is there's a tamarind note that follows it real quick. Oh, yeah. And I love that shit. I can eat the fuck out of tamarind candy. What's interesting to me is how very quickly the capsaicin note is falling off. Like the... I was about to say the exact opposite. It's like... And I'm sitting here? It's just building for me. It's going away as I'm sitting here, like I'll take another sip and it'll come back, but it really doesn't, for me, linger like a lot of other chili beers do. I swear I was just about to say like before you got to it first that it seems to be accumulating for me. I'm noticing the heat a little bit more. And I think in a couple of sips my eyes are about to start sweating. But as the chili pepper tender fries do you think this is inaccessible? I mean... No, no, no. Of the few spicy beers I've had, this is great. It doesn't just come across as a gimmicky shock beer that's just trying to be spicy for the sake of being spicy. I think this actually has a nice balance and refinement to it that makes this the habanero really compliment everything else going on in the beer. And I think that's the key to this beer. I think that that's why it's so good. It's because they're using that spice to elevate and to enhance some of the other flavors that are going on in there and not just as a... Ha! Here you go. Here's a lot of heat. This would be spectacular with fish. Ooh. Ooh. I'm just thinking like kind of a fatty white fish of some sort. Well, I just burped my shrimp taco up in just a little bit. I was going to say... I was going to say shrimp taco be delicious. I had a shrimp taco at the hi-hat before I came over here and it's wonderful with that aftertaste. I would say shrimp tacos with like a mango salsa on it. Yeah. That would be amazing with this. Again, I just have to say for a beer that's not a porter or a stout that was just added chipotle to it, which you see a lot of, and those are great beers and they're fine or like a cayenne, those all go really nicely together, is a lighter beer that was trying to add something like a habanero to it. This is phenomenally well done. Oh, yeah. I wish I had more of this. I mean, it's so good. It's so good. So good. You've been saved, Jonathan Murphy. That's Jonathan Murphy. Damn, if you didn't come through with that. He also said this that night shift brewing. We did a few shows back. What was it? BT? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So fucking good. That was really good. Night shift is making some good stuff. I mean, I have a few beers that I've had from them. I've dug every one of them. Oh, that BT wheat. Yeah. Yeah. That was really good. Was it a wheat wine kind of? Right. Right. This is a perfect Mexican beer. You're an honorary Mexican now. Oh, man. You did that in my house, and I just dubbed you. Just even with Mexican rice and refried beans, this would be delicious. Fuck yeah, dude. So several years ago, who was it? Budweiser that tried to do a tequila beer, tequise, where they did a beer that was like Budweiser with tequila flavors, and it was terrible and lime, and it was fucking awful. I bet you can still buy that at grocery stores. All right. It's right. It was such shit, like such a shitty fucking beer. This beer does what that beer says it was going to in a really cool way. Like it's got that agave note that you get in some tequilas and in the good tequilas, and it's got a lot of just really great Mexican food flavors that help to contextualize that. I think this would be great with like mild Mexican food, because this is sorry is carrying the heat for you. Like maybe something that is just like a nice, sweet, a sauce, something like a sour cream to complement this. And also cool my palate with some dairy. You know what I want with this? How are you from Texas? I wasn't originally. You know what I want with this? You're coaching it up a bill. I think that would work really well. I think maybe if we took a break, you could probably whip some up for us. Yeah, it takes four and a half hours. Ah, it's going to be a long time before we're back to around here. I guess I got time. I can wait. It's worth it. 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But the citrus note is reminding me a little bit of that brewery beer. That toot must look cool. Oh, he won't. And that it's got a similar sherbet note to that citrus. Cardamom? I don't get cardamom. I mean, I get more of that coriander than that. Okay. Okay. Cardamom. And I always say that because I eat a bucket of cardamom a day. Every day. It's kind of my diet. Cardamom city. It's not a good diet, by the way. I really wish that aligash was better. Why did you taste it this? And that's what you're coming away with. Yeah. That's the first thing that came to mind. I really wish that aligash was better. Because I mean, this is weird. Yeah, this is weird. There's a Belgian yeast note. That's kind of light. And then there's a bunch of oranges and soap. Yeah. It turns into soap, doesn't it? What are we doing on this episode? This is weird, man. Okay. Hey, Ryan, it's been really great to have you on this episode. Yeah. I guess I'll see you guys again in another four or five months. Right. When you get green, there's some more shitty beers to us. You can try it again and again, Ryan. Can we end this on a hop, drop, and roll note? Should we get in there? Holy fuck. Okay. Let's go get another beer. This beer's pretty bad. We're not going to do rankings. I don't really see a point in doing rankings in this episode. No, no, no, no. I'm ready to do my rankings. Wait, wait, no. You guys want to do hop, drop, and roll a quick? Yes. Let's get one more beer. One more beer. Because we know that one's good. Fine, but Mike's gaining it. I'm doing it. Okay. We'll be back. That was the one with the stairs. I mean, that was a long way to this beer. This. Yeah. Now we're just hell-bent on having a good beer because fuck. What do we go through? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. This is our eighth beer for this show because we had to dump out most of them. Eighth beer, average is five beers. I know. This is terrifying. This is the saddest episode in a while. So the next beer that we're having, the final beer, the real for fucking real. So no to hop, drop, and roll is from North Carolina. North Carolina. Charlotte, North Carolina. Tell me about it, Michael. So our West Coast style IPA hits you with a ton of juicy hop flavor that shines from substantial and complex malt backbone. They use Citra, Amarillo, Centennial Warrior, and Chinook in 10 separate editions to provide an intense hot blast found within this can. And it is 7.2% ABV and it's a 16 ounce pounder. Sweet. Man, this 16 ounce pounder can blast my mouth all at once. Yeah, this is a hazy gold color and we had a little bit of this in our Christmas episode. And I know there's a lot of people who didn't listen to that Christmas episode because I warned them to not. Yeah, it was like three hours long. Yeah. Grant got the best pour. Look at that one. It looks great. Mine looks perfect. Completely transparent. Oh my God, this smells so fucking good. Yeah. This is better than last time I had it. And the head is just big soapy bubbles. It looks amazing. This really reminds me of heady topper a lot. Yeah. It really does. I think we compared it to that when we had it the first time. Or at least it was reminiscent in just the quality and how awesome it was. Yeah. So let's describe what we're smelling. Okay. I'm smelling East Coast-y sort of malt that I'm getting on the nose. Yes. That's backing up a massive amount of hops. Pineapple and pine. Yes. Just kind of melding together harmoniously. Also a bit of like stone fruit. Yeah. Like professional peaches kind of in the background of that. A little bit of moss. I mean not really, it doesn't get into piney but it does get into mossy. There's a bit of a resity component. Yeah. I guess it touches piney just a little bit. Yeah. I mean it's a touch of everything and that's what I really like about it. And that it's so bright. Then there's something also kind of mango-y a little. It definitely bridges the East Coast, West Coast IPA. I can agree with that. In a big way. Yeah. Whereas you have the West Coast sort of nose to it but you can also smell the malts that you would get out of the standard 60 minutes. No. This is Charlotte, North Carolina. This is purely East Coast. What are you talking about? It's not geographical. It's style. It's geographical. It's not geographical. It's style. IPA styles. No. [laughter] Yeah. And Ryan is writing a note on his sheet that says, "Fucking Gran Dick." Oh man. This is so good. Yeah. I just took a sip of this too. When I say this, it gets the Beerus caveat up but in a good way. Okay. It tastes like my Jim Hockey bag. But in a good way! Jim Hockey. I played hockey. Man. And the Jim bag smelled atrocious. It's got kind of this, um, this B.O. type flavor. It's very citra and it's kind of dank and funky. There's an oniony sort of note too. Oniony. I don't get any onion at all. I don't get any onion at all. I do get onion. I do get the body odor thing. And I do get dankness. Like that pot, cannabinoid thing. It's like green onion right on the back note man. What was funny is that when we had Zack on the show, he has a terrible aversion to oniony IPA. Yeah. So just for people who didn't listen to the Christmas show, Zack Pilgrim is the guy who brought this beer to that episode. And he brought one can of it, that motherfucker. Yeah. Right? And he said that one of the reasons he likes this beer is because it doesn't have any onion note to it. Oh, well that guy says so. Lies. No. I know that they made a movie about Zack Pilgrim. No, I'm totally not willing to buy his story. I feel like there's a logical fallacy you guys are presenting. I don't get any of these. I don't get an onion out of this at all. I get a lot of dankness. 50% does. Yeah, I was going to say at least half this room is wrong. I get a lot of dank. I get a lot of moss. A ton of tropical. He doesn't bother me. I like the oniony. Oh, no. Something that doesn't bother me whatsoever. Oh, same here. What was the other IPA that we had in comparison to it? That was just full on onion notes. I don't fucking remember. Go back and listen to the Christmas episode people. You guys are kind of referencing onion. It's a common note in IPAs. But in 97 episodes, this is kind of one of the first times I think I can recall anyone referencing onion notes in an IPA. I think we've talked a little bit about oniony notes in IPA. It's usually when I zone out then, I guess. Right. Well, it's actually really interesting. I don't know if there's ever been any real studies done on it. You know, for future PhD students out there, women tend to pick out onion notes more. Oh, well, we're a bunch of dudes, including Anastasia, so it makes sense. But it's true. My younger sisters, they pick out onion notes all the time when they go to beer fest together. I just want to point out that Rubio and I did not pull out any onion notes. I just fuck. I am very feminine. I am very feminine. I use hair product. I'm fine with that. But no onion notes. I really don't get onion notes. The things that I do get, I really love that East Coasty base to it. It is very much synthesis of East and West Coast. I really like it a lot. And I do think I can go head to head with the heady topper and plenty of the elderly. Whoa, really? I would agree. Fucking fantastic beer. This is a really underrated IPA and it really deserves to be on most people's radar. So are you saying that we should add this to our bracket for our IPA off? We don't even know what that March Madness thing is going to be. Stop talking about March Madness. Stop talking about IPA off. I like this idea though and yes, it's added to my bracket. There is another podcast that has done that. A podcast that gratefully sent us beers and they're sending us more beers. Oh, I'm sorry. Did they own that idea? Because I've never even listened to them. No. Oh, they came up with the idea of March Madness. These guys are terrible people. I hate you all except for Ryan's girlfriend who's quiet. It's his wife. My wife. I don't know. I don't know. When it comes to IPAs, it's hard to be surprised anymore and it's hard to get really excited. This is one of those ones that I had that was like, okay, there's people that still do this very well. And people that are doing it in a weird, cool, interesting way that still says, holy crap, I'm an IPA and I'm a really good one. If I could buy this here, this would be a mainstay in my fridge. Yeah. This would always be in my fridge. And it's in cans. I love that it's in cans. Sixteen ounce pounders. Yeah. Perfect. Again, anything that comes in a can is much harder to detect as something alcoholic as you're walking down the road. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Always a big boon to the can industry, in my opinion. Looking at you, there's six point with your resin and your high res. Yeah. With that perfect fucking cramming parameter. And I'm just drinking an energy drink off this. Yes. That exact pronunciation. That's a bit too. That's a melted English. Just listen to the last episode for me. Yeah. That was a tragedy of a show. You guys want to rank? I don't know. I'm ready to rank every single one of these beers in order. Do you really want to do that? I'm not going to go into details, but I can do it. Okay. Let's keep the details really slim if we're going to. Yeah, because it's a lot of beers. We don't need to have 40 minutes of ranking, but I'm going to start off with the two may. The two may from the brewery. Absolutely. That has been a beer that's been outstanding time and time again. I've opened, this is probably my fourth time trying it. Yeah. And it's just as good as every time I've tried it and it opens my mind to what beer can be. It doesn't have to be massive and crazy in some weird direction. It can be a beer that is just under the radar and popping up in areas that you don't expect. And this is one that, again, I didn't expect the brewery necessarily to even have a hand in it because they're well known for being heavy handed and their approach to beers. And this is just really cool. The second one in a very close tie, the Viva Habanera. I thought that this was fucking amazing. This was one of the most well balanced pepper beers I've ever had period, especially for one that wasn't a porter or a stout in which it's much easier to have a delicate hand in that flavor balance. The third is the hop, drop, and roll. I really enjoyed that. It's harder for an IPA to blow my mind as far as stylistically, especially when you're dealing with a pepper beer and a orange dreamticle beer. This beer is really, really amazing. These three beers are tied, in my opinion. It's just the other two stylistically, they nailed them. And that's harder to do in my experience of tasting beers, but the hop, drop, and roll is really, really good. Everything we just said about it is amazing. And now it gets in the tricky area of off flavors. Right. And you can just rattle these off fast because we don't even need to talk about this. The Genghis pecan, that butter flavor didn't bother me that much. I probably could have finished that on my own. The Euler's identity of the such-and-such Atlanta brewery or whatever, wasn't that bad? I almost finished it. The one? The Terrapin. The Terrapin. Yeah. The FV13. It was not as bad as the bleer, which was just weak and weird and off-flavored. And then finally, I'm really excited to say it, but in this case, this bottle of the wanderer was really awful to me. I could barely take a sip of it. It was sour and weird, buttery and off. Well, thanks, man. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm sorry about this. It's my job. It's not really your job. If you want to do brown beer or Oktoberfest 2.0, I mean, you know, I had to call. I'll do that. I'll go next. Okay? Number one for me was the two-mass liqueur. I don't know how to pronounce it. I don't think that's what it's called. But that's the orange, dreamsicle beer from the brewery, fucking hell. There needs to be more simple beers that just stand the idea of beer on its ear. And this does it so fucking well and in a way that's delicious. And I cannot urge you enough. You need to try this if you can get your hands on it. Number two for me was the Noda hop, drop, and roll exceptional beer. That IPA is wonderful and it does a lot of the things that I love about East Coast and West Coast. So fucking well, it's got to be number two. Number three for me, Viva Habanera. Dude, that is a hell of a pepper beer. And I love that the peppers in that beer weren't just there to shock you. They were there to play their part in this great flavor profile. I love that. And then after that, it gets a little dodgy because that Genghis pecan. I think the Genghis pecan would have been really fucking good without that fucking all flavor. Number five for me was Allegash FV13 and that's been sitting in my fridge for a while and I've been like, when is the day that I'm going to open that because it's going to be great. And fuck you, it was all butter. Number six is Terrapin anniversary. I just couldn't get into it. Number seven was the wanderer. Why do we have to have so many beers tonight with all flavors? That just didn't work at all. I wish it wasn't as buttery as it was. I can't stand number eight being that fucking Cisco bleer. I usually like Cisco and this time I really didn't like Cisco because it wasn't that it was an off-flavored beer. It was just executed like shit. Although you could argue that there might be an off-flavor there, it was just a badly designed beer on top of that. Anyway, that was my rankings. Sorry. I apologize. Accepted. Yeah. Yeah. Michael, you want to go next? Yeah, I'm doing it. Okay, go. Callier? That sounded really good. That might be the best one so far. All right. So this was the most masterfully executed beer that we had this evening. I really thought that this one was just right on point of really amazing cream ale. Right. And how many times can you say like, I had a fucking amazing cream ale? It's really rare. Like, this is really, really, really good. When you're like, stop the presses. I need to trade for cream ale. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, never. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. The brewery really pulled it out on this one. And noble airworks. Yeah. They collaborated. Absolutely. Well done. My number two was the hop, drop, and roll. It's really hard to impress me with IPAs nowadays because everybody's doing them. Not everybody does them very well. I thought that this was really, really good and really could hold its own against some of the best IPAs that are out there. My number three was the Viva Habanera. I think it was mentioned on the show before. This is one of the best pepperales that I've ever had. It wasn't there to shock you. Everything was incorporated perfectly. And all it did was elevate all of the other flavors. Everything after this was just a downhill slump. So I put the Terrapin at number four because I didn't necessarily detect any off flavors. It just had a bunch of flavors I didn't fucking like at all. That's all it was. My number five was the FV13 from Allegash. So I feel bad because the next-- I mean, there were beers with off flavors that I liked more than the Terrapin. That's okay. Well, right. But so the last, I guess, four minus the very last one that I'm going to mention. It's very hard for me to rank these accurately because of these off flavors. Right. Because if they were on point, they would be just so much better. And I feel bad whenever I review a beer online that's got a terrible off flavor. I know. Me too. It's not an accurate representation of the beer. It's like you can chop off the last five of each of our rankings. Right. Well, don't you think that you could just say that this beer had an off flavor and that's a representation of there's a problem occasionally with their bats and their brewing process? Sure. So the FV13 was my number five. I still like the base flavors of this beer. My number six was the wanderer. Again, the base flavors of this beer would have been really, really great if it wasn't for all of that slick fucking butter. Number seven was the Genghis pecan. And again, if it wasn't for the DMS, I think that this would have been a lot better. Number eight was just a shit beer that was poorly executed and just terrible on all accounts was the blueberry bleer. No. Fuck that bleer. Well, hold on. Fuck that boy. Sorry. Lock that bleer. I just have to say. First off, but I just got an email and it's from PayPal notifying me that listener Sean Keith has donated 50 bucks. Holy shit. That is awesome. Like we just got a $50 donation while we were recording. Thanks, Mr. Keith. I mentioned that in the next podcast too because it's not the appropriate time. Well, we'll say thank you. But I just wanted to read the message that he attached to it. Okay. It says, y'all deserve blow jobs every day for the rest of your lives. But here's 50 bucks instead. My wife's here in the room with us. If you want to give us one. And I would just like to point out the fact that Sean Keith really thinks that you're not doing the job that you should be doing. And an appropriate middle finger response. Yeah. Yeah. But Sean Keith, thank you so much. Appreciate it, Sean Keith. Do you have literally added an extra voice to the argument I've been arguing for a long time? I just need to be a constant stream of blow jobs, like just constant. We need to be metaphorically hooked up to the milking machine that they hook up to. Right. Thank you, John. The novelty of it, though, doesn't it? No. No. Fuck you, Grant. The novelty. There should be a hurricane of blow jobs that grace all of our crotches all the time. But you won't like them as much. Fuck you. You don't appreciate shit. They should be like. I don't appreciate anything. It should be like a Mountain Dew commercial in my dick. Wow. You're really selling it. I mean, except for that, now I imagine that flying tomato dude from the X Games gave me a blow job. I haven't seen Mountain Dew commercial since the '90s. Well, that dude's giving me a blow job. Oh, my God. Yeah. How about a surge commercial on his gente? Yes. Okay. He said 1990s. You went 1994 specifically. It was very impressive. It's like those people with persistent genital arousal disorder. They just don't appreciate anything. Really. They're like, oh, it's so hard. Like, no. I did it. It is hard. I didn't even know that was a disorder, Michael. The more you know. So I'm glad we all got to our rankings, you son of a bitch. Oh, good podcast. Oh, Grant. Grant. I totally forgot about it. Oh, yeah. I know. Kids, you guys are too busy talking about blow jobs. Go. All right. Some things are better than others. Fucking hell. I hate you guys. Go, Michael. I wasn't calling Michael. Wow. Go, Grant. That sucks. You just got lumped in that corner. Number one goes to hop, drop, and roll. Nice. That's my favorite beer of the night. Wow. And thank you, Michael, for going and grabbing that for us because that beer is the beer. And thank you, Rubio, for having Michael to go get it. And you're all welcome that I got it. He's definitely the rock steady to my shredder. Damn. Number two goes to the Viva Habenara. I thought this beer was really good. And that's coming from a guy who doesn't like spicy beers that much. I think it's always just too gimmicky. But I think this one is one of those rare ones that the site actually includes spice without, you know, overdoing it and making it a little bit balanced. It's such a good way. Number three goes to the to my le color. Maybe the best pronunciation yet. Thanks. Because it's really nice. Here's what I'll say about everyone else's. Everyone else keeps saying collier like there was a fucking eye in that word. It could not be true. And there's no fucking eye. Oh, right. Wow. That said, I think this beer is great, it's phenomenal, but I'm not too big on the dream schools like everyone else because it's just a little bit too sweet. I think it tastes identical to it. So if you like that, you'll be busting a nut. Yeah. Number four, five, six, seven, and eight, I'll go to the rest of the beers because here's how I feel about that. If I've poured out the beer on every single one of those, I can't really justify ranking any of them because as far as I'm concerned, they all were probably a bad run. I mean, even that blueberry one, I don't think it was necessarily supposed to taste like that. Or the, um, the terrapin was the other one that we couldn't necessarily idea off flavored necessarily. I think that all of those aren't ideally how they're supposed to be. And so I don't feel justified in ranking them appropriately. So I'm going to say, no, guys, just rank my top three. That's fair enough. I mean, I wrestled with that myself. Yeah, but you ranked them. Yeah. Cause I'm an asshole. Yeah. You did the wrong thing. Jesus Christ. You guys, look at this fucking dumb bucket. I just took a picture of the dumb bucket and the funny thing is I took a picture of the dumb bucket and this is the second dumb bucket we filled tonight. Fucking terrible. This is a record. It is. It's awful. This is terrible record. Oh fuck. I'm going to drink more beer. I know. Absolutely. Yeah. I can say for our DTs, you know? Oh my God. Like seriously, thank you guys for weathering this storm with me. Hey, I really didn't think it was going to be this. Actually, the thing about this, I really wanted to get Ryan on here is a thing. It's because he's had a lot of bad shows. He's had a lot of good shows on here because he's gotten to drink as him. He's gotten to drink a lot of good beers on the show. He's also gotten to drink a lot of bad beers on this show and I thought that this was going to be another really good one, but boy was I wrong. Okay. Yeah. This should have been an amazing show. You look at the menu in front of me and you're like, "No, it looks great." This will be awesome. A blueberry sisco beer, a couple of the better known great brewery beers. You're the harbinger of doom. I didn't know that the problem was me until right now. Probably. I just like to cut to the hidden cam right before the show. Hey, Ruby. Yeah. You know this show is going to be shit, right? Oh, yeah. Though we invited Ryan. That was the thing. I mean, I was going to invite somebody else who I didn't like, but instead I invited somebody who I thought would be funnier. And I was already here. So... Wait, when did Michael get on this call? I don't know. Like, what are you doing on their phone call? Michael, this is going to be three with us. We were trying to recreate a phone call and I've worked at a fruit stand in a hack. He's a phone hacker, but yeah, I'm sorry, Ryan. I had a great time. Don't apologize. Well, I had a great time. This is wonderful. And thank you for being here. You're wonderful. And thank your wife for bringing you here because I know that she's going to drive you back home. And that's a big burden. And you're a burden. And so... Yeah. Michael, thank you for being here also. I love being here. You're also a burden, but for very different reasons, uh, Grant, thank you. You are not a burden. Three eighths of the show is worth it. It's a weird fraction. Can you explain that one, Grant? I like three of the eight beers we had. I don't think it was that complicated, but they... And thank you so much, Jonathan, wherever you were sending the beer. Thank you for trying. That was really sweet of you. No, but to his credit, one of them was awesome. They haven't ever beer was great. Fuck yeah. That's good enough. I don't give a shit that we had the two city ones. Same here. The Billy and Adams have sent us really great beers in the past two. Anyway, this has been awkward. I'm just glad we kept getting more beer to make John's job harder. You know what? It's all going to be fucking difficult. And I just want to say, send your emails to info@thebearers.com, but if you don't want to donate because of this show, I understand. Wait for the next one to donate that one. I totally get it. Really, it was this episode and not the ones before it. Oh, man, that one. I feel like we've missed an opportunity to be really angry about how shitty all these beers are. You know, I feel that we've won our last podcast award. Yeah. That's it. It's all downhill from here. We're just assuming. I also have a feeling that nobody really votes on this podcast award. It's just in general. They tell you the votes and know, yeah, 50 votes go to the bus. The beers in four votes go to this splendid table and the beers win. They should call it a pat yourself on the back award because you did a good job voting for yourself. Yeah. That's it. I haven't seen a statue. Yeah. I mean, so you don't know if this is real. I don't think that they've given us any sort of award yet. I think that them not giving us an award. It makes sense because listening to this episode has been tragic. I apologize to everybody listening. I just keep looking at that dump bucket and I want somebody to taste it. No. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. He's doing it. How is it? Is it delicious? Is it like buttered awesome? Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. It's really sour and buttery. Is it good? It's like sour butter. Is it good? I mean, is it fine? No. It's disgusting. Right. Right. Do you want to try something? Right. You should try something. You should try something. Yeah. Here's the camera for you. I don't know. I mean, Grant might not be a good judge of quality. This could be a difficult thing to figure out. You're not going to kiss me tonight. You know Mike. You know, Mike, you're going to be thirds on this thing. I mean, Mike. Oh, fuck. No, I'm not. Yeah. Mike is going to have to try this next. No. How is that? It's oddly better than a number of years. Oh, God. No, seriously, Mike. Get out of my fucking face with that. Nope. Here, I'll try it. No. It's your sense. It could be worse. Oh, God. That doesn't say. What is this film on top of it? I don't know. Sorry. That was from me. Why did I do such a big shit? Dude, I'm straight chugging that initially. That's really not good. No. It's like blueberries and oak and shit. Michael, you need to try this. No. Fuck you. You're not in the club. This could be your last episode. Give me that fucking shit. Yeah, that's not. Don't ever do that. Seriously. I'm the voice of reason on this episode, really. It was me. I don't know if it was yours. Oh, wow. You really made up for last week. You really? Fuck. I made up. Bravo for you. Yeah, I have no idea. Anyway, thank you guys for listening again. You guys have been awesome. Bottoms up. Bottoms up. Bottoms up. Yeah. We got a full house. The bottoms up. Oh, my God. That's what you said. That's happened. We had a bottoms up on probably one of our shinniest episodes of every day. This should be a four bottoms down episode. Oh, man. Fuck this. How are you going to fit? I got to be so bad. Okay, pee in the bucket and then we'll drink it again. Oh, damn it. Is that what's in there? More information on the Beerists podcast, including show notes and pictures, visit the beerists.com, email us your feedback, comments, questions, and suggestions at info@thebeerists.com. Like us on Facebook at facebook.com/thebeerists and follow us on Twitter at twitter.com/thebeerists. Intro music was provided by Ian Butcher and his band Deflated Balor. Follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/ein_butcher93. I'm John Rubio. Thanks again for listening. Music playing. Music playing. [ Silence ]
