- Hello, welcome to another episode of What A Great Punk. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, you've been officially welcomed into What A Great Punk Land. (laughing) - Wait, what'd you say? - What A Great Punk Land. - Oh, like the town. - Yeah, yeah. - Punk Land. - Yeah. - Going down to Punk Land, going to see if I can unwind. - Lucy in the rooms. (laughing) - Welcome, listen to "Frooms to the Pot." And yeah, we're a band called these New South Wales, and we have a podcast called What A Great Punk, which is what you're on. - Yeah. - And... - Thanks for listening. - Yeah, thanks for listening. Thanks for joining up. - So good. - Lock and skip subscribe. (laughing) - All right, let's play a fucking intro song. - Yeah, okay, okay, all right. (upbeat music) ♪ Catchy smile ♪ ♪ You got that catchy smile ♪ ♪ Stop a while ♪ ♪ Come back with that catchy smile ♪ ♪ Come back, baby, we'll fly away ♪ ♪ Come back, we'll just fly away ♪ ♪ Together, baby, but ♪ ♪ I'll tell you, no no ♪ - Yeah, all right. We don't normally do the intros though. - It was a very weird intro. - Yeah, we sort of froze a bit, yeah. - Yeah, I want to apologize to you for that. - What do you mean that was perfect? - No, it was pretty loose intro to that. - I don't think so at all. I've been, I was on a podcast recently, and it was so like down-tempo in a really nice way. - Oh, okay. - I'm sick of this. And we're here with like... - Oh, he likes. - It's got special radio, you guys. - Yeah, is that intro seem authentic? Is that what you're saying? - Completely authentic, I'll be listening to that unwinding in the bath. (laughing) - You know what I mean? - Yeah, eating a magnet. - Yeah, period, which one? - You'll be in the bath. - You'll be in the bath. - You'll be in the bath. We'll get to about two minutes, and you hit minus 15, eight times, and then you go back. Keep listening, I don't know about it. - That's a minus 15, um, it's the worst. - It's actually the, that was the most awkward intro ever record on this podcast. - Yeah. - It was a bad one. - I don't know what happened to me. I was taken over by a ghost. You froze? - I thought that was the stick. - No, it was mostly. - No, it was mostly. - It was normally a very professional. - Oh, that was more like, yeah, a strange, like, yeah. - Well, I also support you, and I also support white magnums. - They're so good. - Like it's good. - They're really good. - Are you vegan, Todd? - Yeah, um, hasn't he told you? - Before? (laughing) - It's not working, is it, babe? - Before I was, if only cigarettes were made out of meat, that'd be good. (laughing) - But before I was vegan, - Did you just make that check out? - Yeah. - Well done, let's see. - That's tight. - Yeah. - I liked that. - I saw a big, like, a fucking baseball. You know, like a baseball that's a size of watermelon coming out, yeah, I just smacked it. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? - Um, anyway. (laughing) - You don't know what I'm talking about. - No, what do you smell? - The watermelon baseball. - I know what you mean, like, it's coming out. What are you guys supposed to do today? - Um, nothing. - Guys, we've been, we've just been together all day, it's been crazy, yeah. - Oh, okay, in a good way? - Yeah, it's been great. - Yeah, yeah, everything's been fun. (laughing) We haven't been like the doctors all day, it's from me. - Okay, good. (laughing) - Um, I can't remember what I was saying. - What have you been doing today? (laughing) - Um, guys, I feel like everyone's smoked weed or something. - I'm tripping, I didn't, I didn't. - Okay, so I did smoke weed. - Oh, okay. - But Todd didn't. - I didn't. - But he's really giggly like he did. - Yeah, I know. - Yeah, I know. - I feel a bit, a bit, sort of saucy in the Friday now. - It's long COVID. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Is it saucy or is it long COVID? - Um, I got to Melbourne this morning. - Okay, welcome down. - The virgin number, obviously we all virgin friends. - Yeah, well, it used to be, but yeah, still flyer. - Yeah, I'm down to silver. - I'm grandfathered in gas. - Oh, you've got down to silver? What the fuck's with that? - I know, I think it's 'cause during COVID. - Okay, I'm going, I'm heading down at the moment too. - Yeah, what the hell? - I was platinum, and now I'm on like 200 points, yeah. - Yeah, it's pretty crazy, but you'd get nothing for it really, dude. - Well, we've got those shows coming up, so I can't get it back up, you know. - Oh, hon. - And the... - The perils, the perils persist. - Yeah, so this morning on a virgin. - Got here this morning on the virgin flat, absolutely love it. - Yeah. - Then straight to Hector's deli. - Okay. - Oh, did some accounting. - Which one, hit which Hector's? - I only go to South Melbourne. - That's the one I know. - Yeah. - Yeah. - What did you make at the cold, getting off the plane, we were like, "Oh, yeah, here I am." - The cold? - Yeah. - It was cold today. - Was it? - Well, it's cold now, it was warm this morning though. Yeah, it was Hobart cold. - Hobart cold. - Yeah. - Crap, I think I run hot because you would think coming from Sydney, I was yesterday at icebergs, sun tanning. - Really? - So obviously very different. - Wait, you were tanning yesterday? - Like in the sun, you're getting a bit of sun, going to the sauna, that's my new personality trait. - Do you go to the sauna often? - Yep. - Yeah? - I'm trying not to dox my location, 'cause I've just been starting to get some fucking freaks in the DMs. - Okay. - I'm gonna stop living my life. - Yeah, yeah. - And there's cameras, so what are you gonna do? - Yeah, it's nothing too bad. - Nothing too bad. - No. - But you gotta pay to play, it's not like it's a random. (laughs) - Yeah, but often the payers of the players. - It's very tricky, very fucking true. - Yeah. - But yeah, got there, haven't heaped his daily sandwich, roast pork, I'm sorry Todd. - That's cool. - Had to do what I had to do. And then I've just been hanging out waiting to come meet you guys. - Really? - Yeah, it's been sin. - Yeah. - It's been a while since we've hung out. - We're just hanging out in the library. - Literally ages, just in my parents' house, but yeah, when was the last time we hung out? - I honestly haven't seen you in ages. I was thinking about that earlier. I was thinking that you're like one of those, I'd consider you a close friend. Even, you know what I mean? I was really, if I was a good connection with you. - I feel the same to us. - I don't see you that often. It's one of those friends. - I'm proud to be your friend. - Yeah, me too. - Like I like telling people I'm friends with both of you. - Yeah, that'd be demented. - That'd be demented. - That'd be demented. - Sometimes you've got friends that you see, you go through periods where you don't see each other a lot, but that's okay. - It's the best kind, you need them in every place. - What about friends who shame you for like? - Oh yeah, we would never. - You know the ones that sometimes have that attitude like, "Hey, like, I haven't heard from you." - You don't. - Yeah, like, no, no, it's just like, it's been three months or something, aren't you? You've been alright, or? (laughing) - You're too good at that, Jamie. You've been alright? - I'm fine, yeah, I'm fine, yeah. Yeah, yeah, cool, alright, yeah. - Not the furrowed brow, would be alright. - It's only been three months. - What ended up happening with that thing, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought you were gonna keep me updated on that, but it's all good, yeah, yeah. (laughing) - Sickening, it makes you, I mean, actually think about this a lot, 'cause I know it's I'm that bitch, I'm not gonna lie. (laughing) But like, also I've been on the receiving end of that, and it's demented, it's not good, because yeah, it's pushing them away, it's basic economics. - Yeah, yeah, it really is, it does do that. - I think you've got one chance. - Coming from a good place. - Exactly. - It's coming from, I love you so much, and I hope you love me too. - It's very much that. I think you've got one chance with someone to do that, but if you're doing that more than twice, you've gotta pull back. - Oh yeah. - 'Cause sometimes I think people don't realise that they need to nurture these friendships. - Yeah, that's true. - And you let it slip. - Yeah. - In these crazy times. - That's true, that's a nuance right there. That's a nuance difference, isn't it? - Truly. - If people are neglecting their watering duties. - Yes. - Yeah, I guess you could. - I guess you could check in. - Oh yeah. - But we haven't been checking in. - No, but it feels, it feels right. - Yeah, it's different. - We knew we're gonna reconvene here. - Yeah. - Yeah. I can't remember where the last time we hung out was. - I reckon it was at Abbott's Food Convent. - Yeah, it was it. - Oh yeah. - Race is best. - We remembered, Todd, what's the same wavelength? - What was that, was that like January or something? - Yeah, I reckon. - Yeah, Capricorn. - Yeah, Capricorn. - It was Mitchell. - It was Mitchell. - Oh, yeah, here we go. Fucking, it would have been like May last year then, that's disgusting. - Every baby. - Yeah. - When's Reese's birthday? - January. - He's a Capricorn. - Nah, it wasn't Reese's birthday then. - Oh, someone else's birthday. - Oh, he did have a birthday there. Calum had a thing there. Calum and Brit had a thing there. - Yeah. - You were on tour and you just happened to be there. - Yes. - With a friend. - For different reasons. - Yes. - Is that right? - You're completely correct. - You were with a friend, another than a date. - Not on a date, surprisingly. - However. - But speaking of however, those are big black and watermelon sized baseballs. - Let's go. - Let's cut to the chase. So you're going on a date tonight on her. (laughing) - What's your radio name, the two of you? - Chewy in the cricket. - Yeah, the cricket. - Chewy in the cricket. - Chewy in your life. - Yeah, he's Chewy on the cricket. (laughing) - Anyway, I haven't asked. (laughing) - That's so triple M coded. I went to a triple M comedy night on day. - Chewy. (laughing) - Chewy in the cricket. - Yeah. - It was exactly that. - Really? - Kind of interesting being like. - What happened today? - It was at the comedy club, no, Comedy Store in Sydney. And it was just like, it was like stepping into a whole new generation. Like everyone was like 40, 50. - Right. - Mostly men. - Yeah. - But their wives, you know. - Yeah. - The ball and chain, as you say. - Yeah. - And, - Like an AI meeting. (laughing) - Yeah. - That's good the same, yeah. - But it was like, it was actually interesting seeing comedians from an older demographic. Like I saw some, it's like, I have this feeling like, I know every sound not comedian in Australia. - Yeah. - But it's just 'cause they're like our age, but there's this whole other contingent like 40 plus. - Yeah. - That are really funny. I know, that sounds like funny. - The Gen X's. - Yes. - The boomers. - Not, not boomers. - That was many boomers. - But Gen X, who were like becoming boomers, you know what I mean? Like we're getting older. - Yeah, we are. - So it was funny. (laughing) - Don't let me remind us three times. - That was good. So it was funny. It was a funny night. - Yeah, I mean. - Go. - I think it's interesting being around people who have different life experiences. - Yeah. - And that doesn't, - You value that. - Yes. And that's not even a cross culture I think. Sometimes it's interesting within your culture and be like, oh, you're like, even if it's something as different as like different humor, I could find things that were funny. - Yeah. - But then I could also reflect, oh, I don't find that funny because of this reason. - Yeah. - But I'm not gonna like storm. I think I also had this appreciation of like, when you go to a comedy show and someone says something you don't like, there was kind of a trend in Melbourne, I reckon like seven years ago. Or I think, I think sometimes when people who don't go to comedy enough or don't go much, they hear a comedian say something like a bit blue and they wanna like storm out. - Yeah. - So they don't realize that like the dynamics in the comedy is kind of always towing a lion. - Mm. - So I found that. - What do you mean by blue? - Like a bit off humor, like a bit, you know. - Yeah. - Sometimes like the comedian has to go, sometimes it's a step too far in the room to pull it back. - Yeah, right. - It's always kind of feeling that I'm not a stand up, but it's an interesting lesson in like sitting and being kind of uncomfortable thinking, oh, I don't like that joke. Why is that? Oh, it's 'cause I believe this thing. - Yeah. - So I found that. - You got an open mind in terms of experiences and what you're looking at. - Well, I'm just trying to sound smart right now. I'm not gonna lie. Some of the jokes I was like, fuck me, it's for life. - Yeah, stop me, stop me, stop me. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, please. But no, it was a good night out. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? No, about like all like watching music, you don't listen to it. So, okay, you guys are all fucking vibing this. That's interesting. This is a whole nother contingent of else. - Milky Chance, I come down, like it's popular band for a reason. - Milky Chance. - Yeah. - What's that song? - Is it Milky Chance or Milky Chance? (laughs) - Milky Chance. - It's Milky Chance where I come from. They got a song that's actually good. I wanna give them that. - I know they've got one song. - That one song. - But they're not really my thing. So, like, I'm like, when I hear that one song, it peaks. - Milky Chance. - My interest. (laughs) - I'm imagining. - We used to listen to them back in Zimbabwe back in apartheid times. - Oh, man. - Loved a milky chance. (laughs) - Why are you so good at that accent? - Well, my ex-girlfriend's father was South African and he loved a good Chet. - Jamie, that's a good Chet. I mean, you're an actor. I don't know why I'm surprised. It's fucking good. - It's good. - Yes. - It's very good. - You could walk around with that accent and I wouldn't. - You know we do some Ally McBeal fan fiction on the pod recently and he played Ally McBeal but she was South African. (laughs) - I love a dancing baby. (laughs) I love it when it dances. - Dances. - Dances. Dances. Dances. See, I'm not very good at it. - Yeah. - It's a whole different. - I'm a general guest. - No, yeah, I'm picking it up and I'm loving it. - Yeah, see. But yeah, Triple M comedy, very interesting. - And Daitonal. - And Daitonal. - Yeah, let's hear about it. - That's the only way you guys. - Stay back to the day. - 'Cause we've got a hard stop for 6.55. - Don't let me. - Guys, I'm nervous. I'm like, I'm cramping it. Am I getting my period? Sorry, I guess. - Oh my God. - Or am I nervous? - Whoa, whoa. That's hard. - I don't know, are you? Are you getting your period? - Flow app is giving tomorrow. - I can get the app out. I was gonna say. I'm gonna ask the app. - Are you like, match to me in touch? - I'm with my partner, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Pretty good. It just gives you little questions to ask and stuff. - That's good. - He has yours though as well. (laughing) - Honestly, Todd, we're close. - No, it's kind of weird, 'cause you're actually public on it. So like everyone can. (laughing) - Oh shit. - Yeah, everyone can say it, yeah. - It's actually so fucking accurate. - Yeah, it's good. I mean, I don't know, but. - I'll be like, why do I? Why is my law back at her? I don't really get periods sometimes. I'm like, why the fuck's my back hurt very smally? - Right. - And then it says, you might be feeling. - A little bit. - There's this meme, which is like, how are you feeling today? Norsh's headache, creamy, like about a discharge. - Creamy. - And there's like, there's a meme about it, which is so funny, like, the flow app coming up at the most in opportune times. - Oh yeah, it's good. Does it suck? - Creamy. So the flow app says creamy. - Like it just like, yeah, this is creamy. It's like, what? That's sort of feeling, but yeah. (laughing) - We're clicking yes or no? - Yeah, it's a lot word. - Date? - Yeah. I'll say you don't know if you're periods coming, is that what we're talking about? - I don't know if it's something, but we're gonna take a chance. - Yeah, fully. - You know what I mean? - A milky chance. (laughing) - God, whoa, that ball came at you. - Yeah, fuck a massive man, that was a big one. (laughing) - I tried to shoot it away, I couldn't. - That was a terrible time. - It kept coming. - Yeah. - Fuck. (laughing) - How did that? - That was great, yeah. - Yeah, that was like seeing like, someone that I leave for. (laughing) - Someone else listening saw that too, the guaranteed. (laughing) - Oh, it's Bolivia, so that was incredible. - Yeah, that was so cool. - Take a chance. See how it goes. - We're taking a chance. (laughing) - Oh, yes, we're taking a chance. We're going on a small date to a place called the Grey Starling. - Yeah. - That was a great spot. Shout out to Grey Starling. - Good toy, is that a good choice? - Yeah, it's a great one. - I like it, it's cozy inside. - Ooh, and piled it outside. - Have you been there before? - I think I've been there, like, I'd use the toilet once. - Yeah. - It's not too young, is it? - No, no, I think it's a bit of a mixed crowd. - I was seeing a marquee alone. - Yeah, marquee. - You've seen too many people, you know. - Yeah, that I was, it was giving, I don't mean great. - Love it. - I'm gonna say it's like I'm home. - Yeah, I'm gonna say that I don't love the marquee. - I actually don't, I don't like it, I don't even like it. - I will go as far as to say it as no shade, but I don't actually like it either. - Yeah, no shade. - I avoid it, I avoid it because I don't like it. - Okay, I'm gonna say I have a bad taste of my mouth for marquee lawn because I was at my friend's party last year and I was walking with this chick. And you guys saw people like, "Great you?" - Oh yeah. - And I said, "Oh, let's go to marquee's lawn. "I'm from fucking Sydney, can't wait." I don't know how to say it. And she's like, "Um, it's marquee." And I said, "Yeah bitch, I know it." It just fucks me off, it ruined my night. You know when someone says something you're like, "Fuck you." - Yeah. - I'm mad. - What'd you actually say, did you go? - I said, I think I just went, "Yeah." Like, I'm sorry, if you, like, don't correct me. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, let us slide. - Let's all like say, yeah, marquee's on, like she had no humor to it. It was like, I felt like such a dumb bitch. - Yeah, it's not fair. - Markey Alorn. - Yeah. (laughing) - Sorry babe. - Yeah, let's back it up. - I just want to think, what I would do if you, what did you say, marquee's? - I was like, "Yeah, guys, we're going to the marquee's lawn." Like, I said it as a joke. - I would crack up laughing, that's what I would do. - Thank you. - You said it as a joke? - Yeah, like, okay, I also didn't know how to say it, but like, it was simply jest. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, really? - Markey Alorn. - So you didn't say it on purpose? I mean, you didn't say by accident. (laughing) - I'm saying half off. - I'm sort of thinking like, if you set it on purpose, why are you so upset about it? - I think it was her tone. - Ah, yeah. - You know, some people have a mean spirit. - Yeah, it's been a mean aura. - Yeah. - Yeah, I say. - Yeah. - Well, are you some friends? - Honestly, just. - I don't even know her name. Hopefully she's not listening, but. - Yeah, she's not. - Don't ask us to cut this bit out. (laughing) - I'm the king of going on podcasts. I nuked a whole podcast the other day, went into a studio, hopefully did this podcast. - Do not nuke this one. - No, babes. This is a sacred space, I would never. But it was just like, I just had to have it gone. - Right. - I get real bad regrets. I don't know. It's just like, obviously no one's going to know what it is 'cause I nuked it, but it just was a mismatch. Like, we neither of us knew each other. - It wasn't a good chemistry. - It was bad chemistry. It was bad juju. And I, when it's like bad chemistry with people and I feel like they're not understanding me, then I become like my high school self, which is very like, it was guys. So I was like-- - That's interesting. - Yeah, I become like, oh yeah, like ha ha ha. And I'm like, my voice goes higher. And I just felt like I was like, what the fuck am I even saying? - Yeah, right. - And this isn't funny. This isn't entertaining. You aren't asking me the right questions. I'm not talking about my dates. And if I were to talk about my dates, I think you would not get it, you know? - Right, okay. Yeah, yeah. - They just won't ask. - Yeah. - Good. - But that's good. - Yeah, no shade. - I love these guys. - Yeah. - Or anyone else that's offended. - Markier Lauren's doing fine with that, us. I'm gonna say every time I trip past, it's fucking just teaming with people out in the streets and shit. - Yeah. - Sometimes the vibe with people is quite important. - So important. - Especially 'cause I was like, it was a podcast, if I say what it is, it'll doc said, but like, I was talking about stuff and also my book. Like I was talking about funny stuff and also my book. My book is like, not funny. So it was kind of hard to strike the balance of like, I think as well 'cause the title of my book is kind of funny. They don't know how to talk about it. - Yeah. - Like sometimes I'll tell people the title of the book all over one was to be hot and they'll be like, "Oh, well you are hot." Or like, "Oh," and trying to like come up with a quip, which I get 'cause it's like an arresting title I would call. - Yeah, but that's a pretty weird response to it. - It's a bit like trying to come up with a joke, but you're not quite there. - It's no real key chance to say. - And why would you like, why do you even need to make a joke about the title? - I don't know, because I wrote, 'cause I wrote a book. People also asked, "Did you write it?" I said, "No, I got a monkey to do it." - Oh my God. - Why did I do that? - Oh, it's crazy. It's like people that I like as well. - I had this correctly. - Did you write it? - Wait, slight tangent related directly to that. My mum was telling me the other day, how she gets annoyed at my auntie, because she always asks if she did something. Like my mum's like, does like painting and stuff. And she goes, "Wow, the detail in that's like really good. "Elvira, did you do that?" And she's like, "What do you mean? "Is that my painting? "What do you mean do that I do it? "It's my painting on the board." - What are you talking about? - Did you do that? - Yeah, it's annoying. - It's like a heavy, and like, I don't even realize-- - It means that I believe in you or something. - Yes. - Yeah. - And your mum's name's Elvira. - Yeah. - That's a beautiful name. - Elvira. - Thank you. - That was such fashion. - That's really Elvira. - With an E-L-V-E-R. - It is nice. - I've never heard of that. Is that a common mix? - No, I don't think so. Yeah, there's got to be a few others out there. - Elvira. - Yeah. - That's nice. - Thank you. - Yeah, it is nice. - But like, yeah, fuck that. People, it just comes off their mouth. - Did you do it? Yeah, it's just like, "Oh, that's really good. "Did you do that?" - Yeah. - What are you talking about? - Which I guess is better than thinking something is kind of shit, and then you just know they did it. - Yeah, that's true. At least they're like impressed in some way. It just means that they thought you were not capable of it to begin with. - Completely, which is actually, I find a better place to be than people overestimating you. - That's true. - Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true. - Yeah. - Yeah, you reckon that keeps a bit of pressure on? - Totally, and it's just kind of like... - Well, you've got the upper hand then, in a way. - Precisely, precisely. And I believe in what I said. - Yeah. - Anyway, back to the most important detail of our podcast recording, my date this evening. - Yes. - Guys, why not? - And I want to talk about the book as well. - Oh, we can get to that. - We'll get to that, great, yeah. - But isn't it fucking funny how... I know about you guys, but all I care about, like my ears prick up when I hear about dating. - Oh, I'm fascinated. - Yes! - It is, yeah, it's great, isn't it? It's great to hear. - Even if you were in an LTE. - Long-term entity. - LTR. - Relationship. - Long-term relationship. - It's still piece of interest, right? - Definitely. - I don't know what it is. - Well, it's about the most exciting thing you can do. - Period? - Period. (laughing) - I've never heard you say period. But I knew you were about to do it. (laughing) - It really is. Like that and like, you know, doing some psychedelic drugs or something like that. They're both like, they're quite exciting experiences. You're about to go into something like, it could be on, and if it's on, it could be really, really fun and exciting the whole time. - Yes. - And if it's off, it's like equally as like, hectic, but in the inverse. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And you actually-- - Oh, get me out of here. - That always, like, and the fuck's thing about it is it comes around where they're the best ones, if it doesn't work out, which most relationships don't. - Yeah. - So you almost want a dud. - Oh, I see. - Yeah, 'cause they're kind of funny. - It's a feel something. - Yeah, just a feel something. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, it's pretty good. - It's hard, like, you can, you need to like, it can be times where you just don't date at all. - Yeah. - And I find that life is more fun when you do. - I, yeah. - I completely agree. So you get in dinner or are you just having a drink? - Well, it must be someone who values novelty and-- (laughing) - Wait, me or him? - No, you. - Like, 'cause you're a fucking clown bitch. (laughing) - Like, you're Jamie. - No, you know, like-- - 'Cause you go on to the fucking grey styling. - No, but if you're like, that's when it's, you know, that's what I like doing. That's like someone who values new experiences, novelty. - Yes, I think, I mean, like, one of my really good friends has split up with their partner recently. And we've just kind of like, become really good mates. We knew each other from way back when, like year 11, but kind of like, fell out of touch, but similar crowds and she lives in Sydney now. And we just like, have a lot of fun together and are in the same time in our life. So it's kind of got someone to like, banter with it, never get sad. It's always like funny. Okay, now we're doing the next thing. So that's really like, I've noticed that it's so important to like, when you're in this zone, surround yourself with those people. 'Cause otherwise I think it can be a bit like, oh, like this thing happened, but like-- - You need to be around some people doing the similar thing or that can be there to support you or like, whatever it's right. - Yes. - Like, someone that's like, just settle down with someone or, you know. - Totally, where it's like-- - You need the right perspective. - Yeah, like, oh, that's sad that happened. It's like, no, it's not. - It's actually hilarious that it was terrible. - Yeah, and I'm not crying. - It's not sad. - Yeah, and I'm not crying. You are. - Yeah, I'm wearing glasses. But yes, my date. - Okay, yeah, sorry. Yeah, we keep sidetracking. - No, it's cool. - So we're gonna, we eating or we drinking or what are we gonna-- - Well, I don't think like, no dinner plans have materialized. - So have you-- (laughing) - What's the giving? - Well, I think today is the Hector's deli sandwich. - Okay. - And I feel full. - Yeah, nice. - Okay. - Yeah. - 12. - 'Cause we had a sandwich at around like, 12, 12. - It's Stefonino. - It's Stefonino, what's that? - Stefonino Panino. - Yes. - It's a Panino shop, just up the road. Next door to Hope Street radio there. - New? - No, been here for a couple of years. - He's a good friend of mine. - It's a Melbourne sensation, yeah. Shout out, Steph. - Steph. - It's a Melbourne sensation. - Really is. - Stefonino, Panino. - Stefonino is a friend of yours? - Yep, Steph, yep. - Steph, I'm gonna be cool. - Girl boss. - Boy boss. (laughing) Sorry. - That's all right. - Hey, I'm sorry. - He doesn't listen to the part. - That's cool. - He's a boy boss. He started the sandwich shop down in Brunswick, moved it to this neighborhood, goes off, sells out all the time. - Oh, yes. Okay, I'll get on that. - Yeah, you should do it. - Yeah, you'll love it. - Yum. - Great place for a day, day, maybe. If you give number two. - It'll be number three. - Oh, will it? Okay, so this is the first one. - What do you constitute as a date, guys? - I don't know. - Let's be real. - Well, maybe if we were mating for the first time. - No. - That's not a date? That's amazing. - No, you're saying that's not what happened. - That's not what happened. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Okay. Do you know? (laughing) - I mean, I'm no hungry. - What was the first date? - Well, it wasn't a date. We met at a bar. - Yeah. - Oh, that's not a date. That's not a date. - That's not a date? - This is where you meet. - If you meet, wait, you're just meeting someone. - Yeah, we just randomly met. - So you met at the bar? - Oh, you met at the bar. - Okay, that's not the first date then. - No. - This is the first. Okay. Yeah, so you met at the bar. - We met at a bar. - Yeah. - Two weeks ago. - And then you have a first date. - This is the first, well, kind of quote date. We're meeting for drinks. I guess that's a date. - So it's the second time seeing each other, but it's your first date. - Exactly. - But I get what you're saying. - You know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah. - We're just gonna be friends, like... - Oh, yeah, I mean, the expectation... - Was it flirty? The first meeting? - It sounds like you're meeting as romantic prospects. - Yes, but more so than... - Than friends. - I don't know, yeah. But definitely met at the... - At the pub? - What happened, how'd you meet? - Well, my friends and I walked into the pub. It's a local pub that me and Jamie, my mate Jamie, who's actually also a redhead. - Okay. - Yes. - Really? - Well, that makes... - No, I was gonna say, that makes fun of them. - I don't know. - Sorry, do you know what it is? 'Cause you cousins with Reese. So I think of you as red. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Sorry. - No, it's fine. I do present as red. - Well, she's... - I'm representing. (laughing) - Actually, I've read presenting. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm representing... - You're a Jason at the very least. - Yeah, I am. - Yeah. - Fair. - Yeah. - Massey Brown. Massey Brown, yeah. - Do you, if you grow a beard, is it red? - There's tinges. - Yes. - Yeah, tinges. - The gene is there. - Tinges, yeah, it's majority brown. (laughing) - Sorry. (laughing) Hey, I'm gonna get a bit of a red sheen on the top there. - No, you haven't. - Okay. - No, I actually don't. - Your hair's looking great, by the way. What did you get? Did you go somewhere in the way? What happened? What's happening here? - No, I've just started growing out no dye. So it's virgin hair. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - It's really healthy and shiny and gorgeous. - Gorgeous. - Gorgeous. So we met at a pub. I walk in, there's no F for me and the girls to sit. - Right. - So obviously we just take a table and there's all these beers on the table. We plunk our asses down. - Yeah. - And this guy on the next tab was like, oh, excuse me, girls, there's actually people singing that. And we said, yeah. - Yeah. - Sorry, I'm very mad here. So we're gonna park out ourselves. - Yeah. - Anyway, these guys came back, turned out to be really nice, I started talking to these gentlemen. And then we just got along really well. - Oh, no. - And the rest of the series I say, I don't even tell. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But yeah, I fucking know. - Episofacto. - Yeah. - And then. - What does that mean again? - It means it's Latin. - What does it mean? - That's a fact. - Oh. - The rest is fact. - Episofacto. - Episofacto. - It's kind of like one thing led to another, but not really. - Yeah, Episofacto. - Yeah, it's fine to say. - Episofacto mean. - Directly translated as by the fact itself. - By the fact itself. - Oh yeah, so use it again, what did you say? - Episofacto. And then. - Oh, Episofacto. One thing led to another. - Yeah, by the fact itself. - By the, yeah. - By the fact itself. - One thing led to another voice. Anyway, and then he lives in Melbourne. And so I just hit the king up and said, I'm running down for the weekend. Is that sure? - It's an interstate date. - So fun. - That's cool. - It's so cool. And I'm really excited. I'm just excited to like, I don't really remember much from the night. - Yeah. - Yeah, I was wasted. I'm not gonna lie. - Okay. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I'm glad to hear it was alcohol and not long COVID. So that's good. - Yeah, I'm like you. - That's a good thing to say at the start. Hey, like, I don't, I don't remember. - I actually don't remember your name. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, I think it is good. 'Cause then you can, I gotta say, like we're actually starting from scratch right now because I was like, it wasn't there. - Yeah. - In a good way. - Yeah. - Keep having to say that. I guess 'cause I don't, I don't drink irresponsibly. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - It just wasted from tiredness, you know guys? - Yeah, and also like the distress of... - I was in close. - I was in close. - I was having a great time, man. - Socializing all night. It's like, it could be a lot. - Sure. - I can't remember everything. - You just remember vignettes. - Yeah. - I made it seven at the Grace Starring. - Between disassociating. - Yeah, for real. - Yeah. - Obviously, half a way. - Compartmentalizing all this stuff. - Yeah. - But obviously had a good enough time to wanna meet again, which is nice 'cause you can like, you know, meeting someone once is a really nice experience. - Yeah. - It's also nice to like, just reconvene. - Yeah. - So what do you reckon, what do you want to happen to know? - I've got my own Sailor Moon outfit on. - Yeah. - Very, very lovely. - Sailor Moon. - Yeah. - Well, actually this last time that I saw him. - Okay. - So embarrassing. (laughing) - Oh, he was gonna judge me. Sorry, sis. - Was that part? Did you think about that today? - I did a little bit, but this is my favourite outfit at the moment. - Fully, yeah. - Like, I feel good in this. - Yeah. - So it's a style, yeah. - It's a style, like I just stylish. But he follows me on Instagram and he's been watching all my stories, which is also good 'cause he's seen me in my most freakish mode now. - Yeah. - That is good. - Yeah. - Okay. - That's cool. - And he's been liking stories and like, replying ha ha to shit. So he understands the humour. - Yeah. - Perfect. - Well, I would dare say he's loving the humour. (laughing) - Exactly. - Oh, often so, yeah. (laughing) - Well, it's funny because, and it was like with that podcast that went a bit skill-if. I feel when I go on dates, I become my teenage self again. - Yeah, okay. - Do you guys get that? Like, when I'm on a date with a man, - Yeah. - I'm like, really try and placate that ego in a way that actually isn't fair because I find sometimes like, when I talk to someone and they're really smart and they really good at listening, you can almost like over-talk because they're not giving the cues that they're not interested. - Yeah. - Do you know what I mean? Whereas if you talk to someone who kind of like, not that they aren't smart, but they're really like letting themselves, they don't care as much. They don't have as much like, they're not trying to impress you. You can tell when you're losing the crowd. Whereas if I'm, yeah, talking to someone who really gets it, I could just like, be talking shit. I actually don't know where I was going with that. - No, so you're saying there's a difference between talking to someone who is not just in or talking versus talking to someone who is interested but they're smart, so they're not talking that much. Is that what you're saying? - Yes, yes, yes. - Yeah, I get that. I'm confused. I'm glad you get it. I'm confused. - And I don't know how you got there, so I'm going to do a full replay. - Is that what you were saying? - Well, I think so. I don't know how I got there. - One of these Ruby ones deep. - Yeah. - Got me wilding. - Yeah, okay. - Okay, essentially like not talking is a trait of someone who's intelligent. - Okay. - But it's also a trait of someone who's disinterested. - Okay. - So like working out which is which. - Oh, I see. - I see. - Yeah. Are they actually listening to me or are they disengaged and checking out? - Yeah. - Are they not talking because they're smart or are they not talking because they've checked out? - Yes, yes, yes. - But I think with the smart one you can talk as they're like looking at me. - You can tell, you can see it in there. - You can say it. - Oh, you know, okay, no. How we got here was, if you're yappy-app-y-app, like sometimes I talk to someone they're yappy-app-y-app-ing at me. Especially in like a date setting. - Never do that, hey. - No, but they do. And you're like, and you're listening because I don't want to like cut them off. - Yeah. - But they're just, I'm almost like, it would actually be nicer for me to be like, I'm going to talk now. - Yeah. - Especially in a dating context. I think sometimes, do you know what I mean? Like, eventually just be like- - Just be okay, actually. - Yeah. - It sounds like a fucking time though. - Just push the button, the talk button there. - No, I think you're right. - Do you know what I mean though? - It's like, this is how conversation works, dumbass. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Watch me fucking, like, you've been on it for fucking nine minutes. I'm going to have a go now too. - And it's actually respectful to them because sometimes I think, especially when you're nervous, you don't realise you just verbal die or earring. - Yeah. - It's actually nice. - That's true. - Oh, actually true. Like, let me talk to you. - Pick up a bit of slack. - Exactly. - And they're decent interested, job done. - See, you know, in like 30 minutes, basically. - Exactly, 30 minutes. A 30 minute rule. - Yeah. - Let's put this on TikTok grads, let's go viral. - Yeah, 30 minute rule. - That's it. That's how you know. - Yeah. So I don't know how this is going to go. As I said, we're going in pretty much clean slate. - Yeah. - But I'm excited because you only leave once. - Fully. - You know. - You're dancing out of what? - I've been saying that. - Dancing out of what? - Dancing out of what? - T.M. - Do you, what do you reckon you'll go kick on? - Well, I believe so. - Yeah, nice. - Of course, I'm living here with my parents, which really throws up a spanner. - Mm. Mm. Where does this person live? - Um, too far away to go. - Oh, yeah. - Really? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, another place. - Oh, no, that place. - Give me B-line. - Wait. - And I ain't up for that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So it's scanning locations. - Yeah. I like getting the B-line here. - No, they're at work today in the city. - Oh, it's nice. Yeah. Okay. - It's attacking. I mean, out of here. - That's cute. All right, well, that's kind of nice, too. When you know the date is just, like, for company, you know what I mean? Like, you know, you can't really, because of the distance. - Yes. - Yeah. Like, you know that you can't, it's not really sleep in each other's places. - Yeah. - You just still want to go on the date together. That's for us. Is that what I'm saying? - I mean, I think it's like, that's-- - Is that what I'm saying? - This part's going to end up being deleted. We've got to be careful. - Redacted, redacted. But no. - Do I have to delete anything? - No, we don't all talk. No, at all. - Okay, good. - Yeah, we're fine. This is a normal chat. What I've tried to think is, like, I told my mum and I was like, I'm almost 30. We should be able to have these conversations. I'm always like, oh, I can't see this. I can't do that, actually, because I'm not hurting anyone. And this is just what you do when you're single. It's nice. - Yeah, fully. - When I was younger, I was like, I'd be like, oh, I didn't want to hear what someone who I'm dating did before me or dah, dah, dah. - Oh, yeah. - I think I'm actually growing out of that now. - Yeah. - Oh, yeah, good. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But do you remember that feeling when you were younger? Is that just me? - No, I think I haven't had that, I don't think. I think I've always been very much like, oh, what comes before? Whatever it is. It doesn't matter. And it's cool and stuff. - And you do? - Honestly. - I don't know the answer. - I don't know the answer. - Yes, you do. - No, I don't know the answer. - Yeah, so you have to think, you've got to like really rewind. - Yeah, I don't know. - I can't. - But I got hung up on that shit, like real... - I can tell you one thing. - Yes. - I've been watching Dawson's Creek from the start. This week, I started it. - Is it good? - It's actually really good. So, but in that, there's an episode early on where Dawson, there's the new... girl that moves into town. And she's like, oh, by the way, I moved here because I had a bit of a thing going on in New York and I needed to break away from it. - Classic. - I was doing the like, girl in the city stuff. And he got kind of upset the moment he learned about history and stuff. But he's immature. He's in high school at the time. So that's kind of a normal reaction. But you saying that made me think of Dawson's Creek, watching Dawson's Creek. But what I will also say is Dawson's Creek is psycho. Do you know why? - What? - There is a storyline in season one where Pacey, you know who Pacey is? - No. - Do you know anything about Dawson's Creek? - No. - Nothing. - I like Dawson as a person. - Okay, Dawson's Creek is Dawson as a person. - Yeah. - What's that guy's name? You know the Bonga? - Oh, the blonde boat? - Yeah, what's his name? - Slim Shady. - No. - No. - Oh fuck, um, Daniel. - Vanderbeek. - Oh. - His name's Vanderbeek. - Oh, Wilson. - Yeah, he looks like a Wilson. His name's someone Vanderbeek. Then you've got Pacey, who's the other guy who is in like that really horny movie from the time. - Oh, I'm not an other teen movie? - No. - Wild Things. - Yes. And I think that's the horny movie from the time, right? And then you've got, um, the girl that married fucking Tom Cruise. - Oh yes, yes. Um, Katie Holmes. - Yes. - Yes. - She's Joey. Who should be called Pacey? It's so weird. - Oh yeah. - And then, um, Pacey should be Joey and Joey should be Pacey. It's really confusing. And then there's the blonde girl who married Heath Ledger. - Oh yes, Michelle Williams. - Michelle Williams, yes. - Yeah, right. - And wait, what's the song, Dawson's Creek? - Dawson lives by a creek in the rich, beach, New York state town, like city town, right? And he's in the highest school. And it's all about these four people, bless you, bless you. And they're like, they're just kids going through high school. Okay. So. - Sorry. I put new to you. - Yeah. - Yeah, basically what happens in season one is Pacey, the guy friend, 16 or something. Gets into a relationship with his teacher. - Don't. - And they fuck. - Oh. - Not only do they fuck, she's like this good term. - Yeah, she's this hot like 40 year old 90s teacher, 90s looking saucy lady teacher. Right. They fuck and then the next, I've watched like five episodes, it's still going, then navigating their relationship. - Oh, not their relationship. - Yeah. Oh, and it's not a, it's not like a taboo in the show. It's like, oh, they've... - It's like sexy. - She's golly to boo. - She's like, what will people think or whatever, but yeah. - It's going on. - Babes. The way that like... - It's a full like pedophile plot, pedophile plot in the main storyline for the first season. - That's nice. - The pilot in the pilot. - Was this 2001? - 2001? - I don't know when it came out, but I was shocked. - I don't know that like, I feel like that was still happening when I went to school. - Oh, the actual thing was happening? - Yeah. - Yeah. - I don't know about your school. - It happened to my school. - Yeah, it happened to your school. - Yeah. - Male teacher or female teacher. - It was a male teacher who apparently had sex with a student at a fucking music festival. - Jesus Christ. - Wow. - Oh, in a port, in a port-a-pony. - Yeah. - Or like, yeah. - Port-a-pony. - Was it in a port-a-pony? - Port-a-pony. - Yeah. - It happened at my school both, like, genders. - Really? - Like, yeah. - Yeah. - It was all actual. - And that's the whole teacher's pet thing as well, it's like that exact thing which I think was being at the end of the '80s. - What does it ring? - Or older on the back then. - Yeah. - Well, 'cause it was like, 'cause it was in TV shows. Like, when I was at school, we didn't think it was weird. We thought it was like, kind of funny. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like, I remember thinking like, oh. - Yeah, agreed. - Yeah. - 100% me too. It was like, oh, wow. - You didn't go, that is so insanely inappropriate, like, Julia's purple logo is not even developed. - Yeah. - Yes, like, you're a pedophile. - Yeah. - You're all pedophiles. - Yeah, you're a pedophile. - But I think-- - It's extremely illegal. - Yeah. - I think if it's not like, if we don't have the, I think there's a lot, especially, yeah, with like, the conversations around consent and stuff, like, I don't know about you guys, but like, when I was a teenager, it just was not a conversation in the way that I revert back to my teenage brains, and I said, I keep saying, I'm good at like, going back to that zone. And I'm like, if I could see what it's like now, I would never believe it. Like, I was so used to being like, I won't sleep with guys, because I'll be a slut. - Yeah. - That was totally, and that wasn't like a fucking sad, repressed thing. That was just a reality. - Yeah. What a hectic message to be drilled in, into, into you, hey. - Really? - Is that coming from television and stuff like that? Is that coming from, like, Christianity is coming from the balcony that's coming from it? - Definitely coming from it. - Yeah. It's coming from men in all situations. - Coming from men? - Yeah. - Men who are in the church, men who are in TV shows, men who are doing like shit. - That's right. Yes. - And I have a lot of sympathy for the, like, guys in my year and stuff, because they all fed the exact same diet, and I'm sure they would like, be like, oh fuck, that was like, but they didn't know better. - Yeah. - It's also this idea that you don't know better when the culture is telling you that it's normal. - Yeah. - Like, crazy, man. - Yeah. - But yeah, and in that sense, then you get teachers that are like, I don't know, I could never, I could never imagine being attracted to a student. - Yeah. - No. - You know what I mean? - Yeah. - It must be. And I was trying to think about it once with one teacher. I was like, I reckon it's because they like, maybe they weren't cool in high school. So then they want to be like, with the cool kids and like, that's the way they get in. I don't know. - Honestly, who the fuck knows what it's about? Hey, it's like, it's supremely dark stuff. I've been watching this, this content creator called J Gone Getcher on Instagram Reels because I'm a Reels guy. - Oh, you read? - Yeah. - And he like, he lures pedophiles to like, shopping centers on like, on chat apps and stuff like that. - It's called J Gone Getcher? - Yeah. - It's like three or four guys, they all wear these shirts to say DAP Dads Against Prader Files. Prader Files, they call them. - Prader Files. - Yeah. - Do you want to catch a predator? - I can't remember. - It's a similar premise, right? - But you remember that show? - I know about it. - I've never seen it. - I love this kid. It's called To Catch A Predator. It was an American show. Very like that Jerry Seinfeld era, where yeah, they would like lure pedophiles or just like, yeah, or pedophiles. - Right. - Kind of like catfish, but pedophiles. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - That is what it is. - It was the beat better. Like catfish. - Yeah, I was before, was it? - Yeah, yeah. It's like early 2000s. - True, true. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So they just, they, they lure these guys to things and then they just slap the shit out of them. - Yeah, they'll slap them and they'll be like, oh, do you want to call the police? It's kind of like horrible and cruel as well. They just, and they'll like chase them down, slap them, call the cops. Oh, yeah, you should call the cops. - Is it American? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You don't have your slap in your call the cops? - Yeah. - Oh, you're not going to call the cops? That's because you're being illegal. Yeah. - Yeah. - And then they go, ladies and gentlemen, this guy right here was trying to meet a 13-year-old boy. Like, in the middle of like a car park, a busy Walmart car park or whatever, being, please, don't, don't, don't do this to me. Please, please. - Oh. - It's so bad. - Yeah. - It's all so bad. - Jesus. Yeah. - You know, I found it really interesting. I'm going to butcher their report. There was like a report recently about how many, like, men are interested in, like, not to be dark, but like really young girls and boys. - Right. - And it was like, alarming. It was like, not majority, I'm going to fuck it up, but like, it was way bigger than you would think. - Yeah, right. - And I think I was thinking about it today in the car. I'm like, I think it's because we imagine, like, pedophiles or like, sex offenders to be like these grubby, like, gross, waiting-the-shadows type people. And then it, like, I was watching a show on Netflix all the day, if you guys watch this, it's about a guy who's a family friend of this family and he falls in love with this little girl called Jeannie. - Right. - Right, I know I haven't seen that. - Tell me you love me or something, like- - Is this a documentary or a lot? - documentary. - Yeah, what's it called? - It's something like, tell me, tell me you love me or- - Yeah, okay. I think I've watched this. - Yeah. And it's in America, Jeannie, and she's an adult now and she's talking about how she was in love with him as well. She was 12. - Okay. - And he was, like, 50. And she talks about that experience and how he slept in no bed for, like, a year, because he was having conversion therapy for being a pedophile, like, crazy shit. And the parents were in the documentary, they were like in their 80s now, and they take full responsibility, but I found it really interesting because, like, when you look back in a situation like that, you're like, "Well, that's objectively fucked," but, like, they didn't, they loved their daughter, they weren't meaning to put her in harm, but, like, what was the whole other, that shit was, like, more normal? I don't know. Do you know what I'm trying to say? - Yeah, yeah. It was, it was either more normal or people were- - Like, a bit nice- - Equally as willfully ignorant as they are now, I guess, in a lot of, like, "Yeah, I don't know, I don't know." It's really, it's hard to know. - Hard to know, but if they were all being very honest, which I found very compelling, I was like, the parents know that they have, like, that was, like, all the wrong decisions and they were owning up to it, it doesn't make it better, but, like, I thought it was very interesting and kind of, she was really generous with her explanation of it. - Yeah. - I think, as well, with those things, like, "Wait, why would a little, why would you go along with this for so long, or why would you let this happen?" It's like, "When you're that young, like, you don't know that- - Well, that's right. - They're, like, an adult. You don't realize that it's weird? - Yeah. Yeah. - Yeah, you don't know anything, you just learn from adults, don't you? - Yeah. - Like, you trust them so innately as a kid, like, you see people on the news, like, or politicians or whatever, and immediately you think, if they're on the TV, they're trustworthy. - Yeah. - You know, or if they're wearing a suit, they're trustworthy. That's your assumption as a kid, which is just so wrong. - Mm. - This got dark, guys. - It did get dark. - But, like, important conversations, I guess. - Life is fucking dark. It's dark as sin. - Truly. - It is. - Darkening Todd's, um, beer thing? Sider? - Yeah. - Well, yeah, I mean- - It's dark as the sky. - It's quite ruby-like, actually. - Yeah, it's a cherry-sider. - Guys, we're gonna have to do a follow-up episode after my date. - Yes, we are. - And I'm down. Um, well, we've only got a little bit of time left. - Let's talk about the book. Can we talk about your book? - We've only got five minutes. - Yeah, that's the big thing. - You've had a fat-ass debacle in recent times. - No, not the book, topia debacle. - Yeah, that's the big thing. - Well, we've only got a little bit of time left. - You've only got five minutes. - Yeah, that's the big thing. - You've had a fat-ass debacle in recent times. - Girl, not the book, topia debacle. - Yeah, can we get the quick rundown? 'Cause I wanna talk about the book, but that's interesting. - Well, I don't know what to say because I've been kept in the dark. - Right. - I don't know what's going on, so I'm waiting for, like, an explanation from my publisher. 'Cause I'm like, we need to remunerate these people because the only people who bought the book are like two friends. - Remunerate or remunerate. - Remunerate. - Remunerate. - Yeah, I think- - Is that what you said? - I said remunerate. - I wasn't being that company you were talking about, but it always gets me, which is it. It should be remunerate, 'cause I thought about numbers, but it's fucking remunerate. - I've never said that, and that is what it is. - It is what it is. - It is stupid. - 'Cause I was trying to type it as just remunerate. - Yeah, sorry. - No, I needed that joke. - I was literally that guy. - Yeah, you did it. - Sometimes you need that, and you did it perfectly. - Thank you. - I didn't feel dumb. - Thank you. - Yeah, fuck. I don't know what's going on there. Actually, I've not- - So what happened? - Okay. - But also, I got everyone to pre-order from a certain retailer. The retailer goes under. - The retailer went bankrupt or something. - Agrupt. So everyone can get their money if they get it back through their bank, but it's a hot bar. - Right, what a pain they ask for you and for them, 'cause you're just trying to sell a book, and that's, you know, I really felt the burn on that with you. - The burn was real. - Yeah, the burn was real. - What a drag. - And like you said, it's all the early adapters, the people that are supporting you to the core, and like- - The good news is they'll understand- - In their wallet tower. - Yeah, negative talk, you know, however, like they're really- - Three months out. - They're there, yeah, yeah. Well, look, it happens. It does happen. - We persevere. But it's funny, I remembered last on the podcast we were talking about the book, it was in its infancy. - You were talking about how you were writing a book, and it was news. - Yeah. - And now it's fucking- - Congratulations on getting to the end of that process. It's fucking crazy. - Thank you. I can't stop thinking about how it would be like an album, which I know nothing about, so I actually don't know. I think as a consumer of music, I just think, "Oh, the album's here." 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