Needlessly Nostalgic

Evil Dead (2013)

Lance and Tyler are breaking down how Fede Alvarez managed to make the greatest horror remake of all time with Evil Dead (2013).

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Duration:: 1h 57m
Broadcast on:: 24 Jan 2025
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[MUSIC] Hello, friends, and welcome back to another needlessly nostalgic. I'm one of your host Tyler Nichols with my other host Lance Valchek. Lance, do you have any New Year resolutions or anything that you're trying to trying to accomplish in 2025? Yeah, a lot. It's not sort of corny. I actually really like New Year's because I love the idea of people setting like a hard reset date, even though it makes no sense, because yes, if your change is something, when I do it December 28, when I do it in October, I've got that. I really do. And I've had a lot of people bitch me, because it doesn't mean anything. I'm like, I know it doesn't. It symbolizes change. And I'm all about the symbolization. I don't know if that's even a word of change. And I like the idea of trying to be better. So I do got a couple things. I'm not going to say it now, because there was a time on one of our other episodes of I think when we were doing the air in the head show or we talk, I said a couple of things that I wanted to do, and I didn't accomplish those, and I'm haunted, haunted by him to this day. I swim in a sea of regrets. So I want to be better this year, and I want to improve skills. I want to improve in my personality and my body. So I hope to, I hope to do better, man. What about you? Do you have any changes you're going to make? I mean, hopefully nothing but positive ones, but yeah, I mean, I'm hoping I can finally get my sleep schedule figured out and my terrible eating habits. Those are, I've had a stomach. Oh, I've had bad stomach issues for a while, and I'm assuming eating habits probably attribute to it. And so there's a stuff where I'm like, yeah, 2025 is finally the year I need to get, get this shit taken care of, because it affects when you have stomach issues, it really does affect damn near everything. And we're not going any younger. So you know, you got to, you got to really jump on that now because you can't wake up in your 70s and be puking your brains up, buddy. Yeah, that's only going to get worse. So got to be, got to be aware and just stuff. I don't know. Do what I can. My goal last year was, I wanted to watch like 365 movies and like a new movies, a new one for every day of the, every day of the year. And I unfortunately came up short because there was like a month where I had a real tough, I was only watching stuff for work. So it's like, sometimes I guess that kind of stuff just happens and, but thankfully last year I still hit, let's see, what did I hit? Oh, it's not telling me now. I was like two 59, I think. So it's not it's not talked out on 250. Yeah. Yeah, it was 259. So I'm, I was 106 short. So we are, you know, X amount of days into the new year. And I have watched a new film for every day of the year so far. So I'm hoping I can continue that, but I'm not giving myself that goal again. I figure 200 just have that kind of random of like, I just want to experience more. There's a ton of films. I'm of, I'm a serial re watcher. And so I try to break myself out of that a bit and just watch newer stuff, watch or even if it's not newer, watch stuff that I have not seen before. Like I watched the great escape for the first time a couple weeks ago, Clint Clint Eastwood. No, the great escape with Steve McQueen. Oh, sorry. What am I thinking of with Alcatraz? Either way? Yes, yes, yes. The Steve McQueen movie, my bed. Yeah. Yeah. It was very good. Back to the, what was that 60s? It has been 60s. Yeah. So like that, I got the staying bridge over River Quai. Got a bunch of stuff to be able to check out. And then I was recently gifted the Omen complete series on Blu-ray. And I've only ever seen the first film, the last, like the first Omen. And then I did see the 2006 remake, like back when it came out. But I remember very little of it. I'll tell you the one thing I remember about that film is there's this mirror jump scare with Julia Stiles. Oh my God, I forgot that didn't exist. Yeah. Is it like a very close remake? Am I one of those like near shot for shot? It's like a damn near psycho style remake, which like, so there's some shots that are cool, but it's like gets because it's from the original. And yeah, it's, it's a bit of a mess, but I'm going to check that out. So I be curious your thoughts on the schlocky Sam Neil through entry. I am curious to see like all the, all the different ones because I don't, they've just never really been super accessible for me, which is the main reason why I never watched them. I like the first one. I don't love it. It's probably a solid seven, but it's never been a film that spoke to me. But the first element spoke to me to such a degree. It's one of my favorite films of the year. If you want to hear more about that, check out our best of the year podcast, which released on December 31st. No, I really liked the idea of you. Like, you know, I just know that I knew to you is I guess what I'm trying to say, but I always say I'm not necessarily new movies, but the idea of exploring because it is a dangerous trap and something that, you know, a lot of people get into is the age where you just watch the stuff you love. And I'm all about loving what you love. But never exploring and wanting to see new stuff. I always find sad. So I encourage, you know, and I support you. You're seeing one new stuff line. But the idea that you want to, I think, is healthy and good. So I'm proud of you, buddy. Oh, I appreciate that. I wish I wish more people would take on like the, even if it's not movies, just new experiences, try to do a breakout a little bit. Because again, I'm someone that I'm very much stuck in my comfort zones. And so this is, this is my way of breaking out and trying new things is watching new movies. So good, I support it, but I support a percent. The movie we are covering today is something that is not a new watch. This is a film that's been watched many, many, many times for both of us. So let's get into we're continuing our evil dead franchise chat with 2013's evil dead. This was written and directed by Fedi Alvarez, co-written by Roto Sayagas. I can't, I don't can't even say his name. I heard him on commentary. I think he said three sentences. So, um, and then obviously this is based on a script by Sam Raimi. This is starring Jane Levy, Shiloh Fernandez, Jessica Lucas, Lou Taylor Pucci, Elizabeth Blackmore, and yeah, that's and an uncredited ash Bruce Campbell cameo at the very, very, very strange thing. Yeah, which I'm not a fan, I'll be honest. Yeah, it's, it's a random moment. But, um, so this, this film, this came, this came out after most of the, like it was, it was at the tail end of the remake trend. Not even tail end. This is like, I would say almost like, after far after it's weird. Texas Chainsaw in 2003, like Friday, the 13th, 2009, then Elm Street in 2010 Halloween, 2007, was it then my bloody Valentine 2009? So like, this is technically after the, uh, the onslaught of horror remakes. It wasn't a part of the boom at all. Um, and it's probably better for us. I, I should, I want to start saying I was so against this. I can't stress how grumpy I was when I heard of them remaking this. I was, I was adamant against everything about this. They deal with stupid fuck them remaking evil dad. Bruce Campbell's not in it. I, I was such a baby dude. Um, and this is one of a few times where a trailer completely puts me on my ass. I, I was very like, ooh, I might be wrong about this. And then of course I saw it and I was wrong, but it's funny. Cause even it, cause you're right though, it was kind of far down the line. And I was still grumpy. Um, probably in honestly less grumpy than I would have been if this, if this was announced in 2006, but for some reason, dude, I had it, I had it out against this. I was like, fuck this, dude. That evil dead remake was some fat eye Alvarez, right? I couldn't see as him at the time. I know it's fatty now. I just was not having it and replacing Bruce Campbell. It was kind of like a gender swap is stupid. And, uh, like the great John Locke one said, I was wrong. Yeah. I mean, I, yeah, I'm, I'm right there with you. I, uh, I was very trepidationous about this, especially. I think the main thing for me was that this was his, this was Phoebe's first film, like his first feature length film. And I think that evil dead is a big ask for someone with their first ever feature film. And so it's like seeing that like, Oh, no, but the thing that always kind of was sticking out in the back of my head was Bruce Rainbow with Sam Raimi and Robert Tapper are still involved as producers on this, which gave me a lot of faith in the, in the direction. Cause that was actually before I was aware of their, uh, kind of, I wouldn't say dislike for horror, but just not, they're more, they're comedy guys. So it's like nowadays I hear their involvement and I'm like, ooh, I hope they're not too involved. I hope they're just guiding the series along. Cause I fortunately, because of their experience on this film, that is what they just do. They just guided a lot. They, they give the keys to the castle to them, see if they can, uh, see if they can get to the finish line and VD Alvarez absolutely nailed it. And obviously he's had a very successful career since. So yeah, I, I'm okay with them guiding or even just sort of letting somebody play around because I feel especially after this we had the show. And to me, I was like, Oh, that's perfect. It's almost like two different worlds. We get the, the Bruce Campbell goofy part that I really love. It's, it's very important to me, but I also love the fact that then they let other people kind of get deep down and dirty into the, the horror aspect, which, you know, a Sam writing can pull off, but he, he can't pull off this right here. I'll be honest. I mean, I, this is why I think it works. Cause I think it, it, it lends itself to Raimi's directing. I mean, like he does apes and stuff, but I think he also makes his own. Fedivros is essentially, I think growing from what Sam Raimi kind of started an evil dead one specifically and then obviously some of the Dutch angles and the zooms and shit that from the other ones. But the tone of this movie is so relentless and so mean and so just visceral that it's nothing like any, I mean, I would say like take evil dead one and put on steroids and you might get kind of close to what this is, but this is really its own thing. I mean, Raimi, what it wouldn't be into this sort of cynicism and maybe that's why I find myself in love with this remake because it takes the elements from evil that I love and then just fucking put you in, in hell. It breaks all of the rules of evil dead. We, this is like dark and it's, there's not that student, yeah, like student film quality to it. It is, it is constantly going for this uneasiness and dread, which yeah, evil dead doesn't have like that's not a thing. It's always, it's more of like this weird existential kind of, I don't know, like it's not, I think an element of that is that the, I mean, the trilogy literally recreates the prior film in that's openings and all the continuity is all over the place. So I think it does that adds to the kind of fever, dream aesthetic to it all. Yeah, this is very straightforward. It's very in your face, brutal. It's very much has almost a French extreme feel to it. Yes. Well said. I put that in my notes as well. This feels more in line with, I would say the hills of eyes remake in terms of that's just like fucking mean, high frame, right? Sort of just aggressiveness. And again, I would like to say that there are moments of the original evil dead and very specifically evil that one because that's I think the elements that this has taken from obviously minus the hand, you know, when what's your faces in the cellar banging on the door or the thing and she's screaming and it gets kind of weird. Like there's moments like that where I'm like, okay, that's what Fannie Alvarez took was like, okay, we need an entire movie of that feeling. And I think it's great, dude. I don't want he I don't want humor from the directors because Ramey's humor is so specific to a goofy three Stooges type of slapstick that it works because he's he's in love with it. I'm down, but I love that this and though I have a lot of issues with rise, I'm fully invested in them making these super serious gory films. I don't actually want anything else. I want different styles. But like what Fannie gave gave me here was a miracle. Yeah, I mean, he he made me uneasy, but he also I felt I mean, and we talked in army darkness about how the decades aren't really the same deadites. They're they're they're Hollywood eyes, which is fine. And I love that fucking movie. That works. So, but he made him a creepy again here and they're different. They're different, but they feel like a good spiritual connection to what I love. And I'm like, holy shit, how it doesn't feel cheap and doesn't feel redone. I doesn't feel redundant and it doesn't feel too far off. How hard is that to fucking nail in a remake, dude? No, no, I completely agree. They it's pretty astonishing what they were able to able to accomplish with this and especially to because so as we go through the movie, I'll chime in with various things that I learned from the commentary track because I watched this for the first time with commentary and was pretty blown away by some of the revelations, including I think the biggest revelation that I had while watching was a lot of stuff that I thought was CGI in this film is not CGI. And it is photo manipulation trickery. They they call out two shots that are CGI. And he's like, he even said he's like, that's it. Everything else is done in camera. Literally everything else. Is it the fire in the book, right? No, that's that's that's done optical with optical. It's like done even even the girl in the beginning all filmed optically, like it's all done. There's no CGI in the they like just have the fire film separately. They put it on her. They put it on her digitally like they put like they we can do that kind of kind of trick. Then the the main the main moment is when what's her name when Natalie cuts off her arm, and that's the blood splirting out. It's CGI blood. That's some pretty good looking CGI blood. And I feel like I'm predisposed to catch that. Because I usually always notice some like, Oh, it doesn't flow right now. Okay. Yeah. And then there was one other thing they called out and it was so brief where I didn't even take note of it. It's like, Oh, okay. But yeah, they're everything else. They're talking they're even they mentioned some like thing that goes on and like the arm where it's like a reveal of of veins, I think. But then literally all they did was they they did they had that pre painted on her and then they just revealed it. They just revealed what they had already the makeup effect that they had already done to it. So it's like every time you think it might be CGI, it's like no, it's just like they're just doing editing tricks. Well, I was going to say it I didn't bring it up in my love fest before, but I actually thought there's more CGI than that. Same. But I did always love a lot of practical stuff. I mean that the tongue thing was in the trailer. You could see the tube. I think they eventually fixed that. The puking of the blood and all the crap. Like there's stuff in here. I'm like, Oh, it really, really lends itself to I think being timeless for being I mean 12 years ago, still a long time if we're being honest, this way is older than it really should be. Yeah, but it looks just as good today. Very, very intentional in terms of the timelessness, because there was a shot when when Jane Levy's Maya is leaving is driving away with Shiloh. There's a what David they there's supposed to be a shot of their cell phone that says no service, but they took it out because they're like, you get you get the point and we want to leave it timeless. Because even the cars, the Jeep, the obviously the old old old mobile that we see, but it's all it's all cars that like the designs that are the same from the 70s through modern day. So it works. But yeah, let's let's get into this film because it starts off very different from any of these evil dads usually do, because we actually get a little bit of a backstory. This kind of this is, I've always taken this as this is this is what happened with Professor Nobi and his family. That's always kind of how I've taken it. Is that how you've what's your interpretation for this opening? I got to be honest, I never even put nobody in this. I guess that would make sense, but they don't I don't think they mentioned the name. I think the way I look at it is just essentially one of those it's happened before it'll happen again and we're just witnessing the end of the one cycle. Because obviously in this movie, they go which I actually like the Necronomcan has stages in each stage is like a part of the movie. And you know, it's how it has happened. And this is obviously the end of this woman's stage. I actually think this is one of the best openings. And this is what sold me the movie. This opening was so mean, so fucking creepy, so beautiful looking, so violent that when he blows her head off the shotgun after she's like, you know, if I fucking rape your solar, whatever she says, she says I'm real like mean or dad. And it kills her. And then it just cuts straight to the fucking turnings title card. I'm like, we're in good hands. I think this is one of my favorite openings. I love the old which looking lady, the dead cats, which I think is hilarious. Because I think of all the fucking people crying about a stuffed fake animal in this movie. But I mean, a lot of this is inappropriate. Yeah. And in the best way, like it keeps that OG energy. Like I said, just it's it's so focused. I wasn't going to bring this up. But since you brought up the cats, I have to mention fucking Jane Levy throughout the the commentary would ask the stupidest questions. And one of which was, what do you think that hair is from on the on the cats? Like, how do you guys got that hair? Like, like, dude, it's it's she asks shit like that the whole like they're in that whole intro because they're like mentions of like how good the the possess girl is. And she's like, where'd you where'd you cast? Where'd you cast them from? Like, and feed is just like, it's just new. It's New Zealand locals. Like, and then like it got to its ass later like, Oh, where did they come from? And it's just it's New Zealand local. I regret it not listening commentary. Because I think you told me less than you're listening to it. And I'm like, fuck, I never thought about it for some reason. Skip my mind. And then hearing you talk about this now, I'm like, maybe it's the best because I wouldn't really know if it seemed like this where I want to hear like interesting ideas or what is like lighting process was or, or, you know, some behind the scenes, they're just she's just goes, where'd the fur from the cats go? It's like, I don't know. Well, you want if you want some interesting behind the scenes, I can tell you that when the girl is initially knocked out by the like, hillbilly creep people, they're very intentional about the hillbilly creep. Like, he's like essentially mounting her. And it's supposed to be an illusion for the rape later on. Oh, and they want they wanted to get they wanted that they they wanted to like feedy wanted to get that mind like that mindset into the like viewers immediately of like, Oh, there could be sexual assault happening. That was another thing. We've kind of recently the R word like rape is kind of and I think it's because YouTube can like demonetize and they'll be weird with what that was a grape a lot of notice. Yeah. And so it really stood out to me because dude, they say rape in this commentary, like 50 times or so because every time we go, Oh, what, what's that? Whoa, what? Whoa. And the ship has really screwed us up, hasn't it? Yeah, which will I have another thing once we get to the rape scene, but I don't want to we got we got to move through this. I've always really liked this opening too, mostly because I think this girl's performance is just really, really well done on that shift. The switch that she makes is it's terrifying. And which looks good. I mean, all of them, the hillbilly's look good. The dad, I think it was enough really well. You feel, you know, you feel bad, but it's a good, you know, it's that switch is great. When it's like, when she realizes because she's begging to like stop. And then when he like pulls the match, she's like, okay, fuck it. I'm done pretending. And then then comes out. And it's our first look at Fedi Alvarez's version of a deadite. Yeah. Yellow eyes, which are Lisa yellow. Is it Iris? What's the? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I cool. Yeah, it looks looks great, dude. I mean, that's like it's a change in the wheel here, but it's still evil dead enough where I am mute. It's like, oh, that's a deadite. Yeah, I'm curious. I've always thought that the one hillbilly, it's he that ironically is the hillbilly that mounts her. I've always thought that he looks like Ted Raimi. I never put this together now. Yeah, when I first watched the movie, I was like, Oh, Ted, then obviously figured out it's like, oh, wait, no, it's not Ted, especially when he has like his distorted look and it's like zoom again. Like, I don't know, it looks like it very much reminds me of Ted Raimi. It's funny. All I always notice when they cut to like, oh, the hillbilly is like kind of looking over is the one that that looks like the guy from the hill survives, like the OG guy from weird science, like I always put my words towards that guy. So I never even noticed the Ted Raimi look like Michael Berryman. Yes, Michael Berryman. Yes. Yes, fantastic. He's also in the Guyver and Devil's Rejects. Fantastic. So I gotta, I gotta watch Guyver again. I mean, Devil's Rejects, I do remember, but the Guyver, it's been many years. Yes, you definitely need to check that out. God, yeah, that is crazy. That's I'm watching the opening scene. That's crazy. There's no CGI there. That's great. Great opening scene. So that's how you open a movie. That is it's funny because this I want this movie is not dated in any way, but I did come to the the realization while watching this, that that intensity was kind of in that like late 2000s, early 2010s era, and I do believe it comes from the New French extreme 100%. And it's something that you really don't see anymore. Like, I think we're a little like, I think we're in a trend of like more arty, more kind of wide, stiller shots, you know, like the A24 is more that sort of dread whore that we're in. And I kind of missed this, this intensity. Yeah, because I mean, I love a smash cut to credits. That's one of my, one of my favorite things in life is the smash cut to credits. And this smash cut to credits is just phenomenal. It's so well done. And then right after the credits, they have that great upside down shot of them, like coming, it's like driving through, we see the woods, which they found in the edit that was, there's like a parent, there's a shot in the first evil bed where Bruce goes through the cabin and there's like, it starts upside down. And so this is Fides homage to that. And it works really well. He wouldn't even think you, you would think from watching it that they planned from the beginning of it being upside down the whole time. But nope, I was found in the edit. That's, I like that because that, that, I mean, this sets up this sort of uneasiness. I mean, obviously, I was uneasy before when they're blowing the chicks face off. But even now we're in the safe daylight of the real, the real okay world. Yeah, the old fashioned things are still happy. And it just has that very weird feeling. I mean, that's something Feddie does really wellness. And maybe it's the New Zealand background, but just this forest is creepy to me. Yeah. In the daylight, in the dark, in the dusk, in the dawn, every shot, just there's some, it's creepy. And I've been to New Zealand twice. So I do know that like their forests are weird. I have pictures just driving on the road. I'm like, oh, this is fucking scary. I mean, Ash versus Evil Dead was filmed there as well, correct? So you get some of that feeling too. Yeah, that's why I think that oddly enough, even though it's not the same characters, this yeah, Evil Dead 2013 does connect with Ash versus Evil Dead the best visually, like just it, they feel like they could be in the same, in the same world, even though obviously this is much darker. No, 100%. 100%. The world itself is the same. It's just that A's, I is different. Which we can be grateful for them filming down there because that's the, that Ash versus Evil Dead gave Tamara weaving her big break because she's an Australian actor. So it's like, maybe, it's like, maybe we would have never gotten the glory known as Tamara weaving. Had we not gotten Ash versus Evil Dead? I love how you love your blondes, buddy. I really do. Oh, she's the best. It took everything in me to not mention Ash versus Evil Dead when I talked to her. I might have mentioned it, but I don't think I did. It would have been like, hey, you're great. You're great. You're great. You're great in everything. Like your, I love you. Just kidding. I did not say that during the interview. I thought it was embarrassing. But yeah, we get the intro to all of our new cast. And you're going to be surprised. The commentary made me like Eric. Is Eric my blond friend or is it? Yeah. Yep. Eric's your blonde friend that looks in the Mr. Lou Taylor poochy. Yeah. Well, I never had an issue. Never had an issue with her. I had an issue with an issue. That's why I had to tell you in particular of like, I didn't mind him this time. And it was because of the commentary. Well, I would like to say upfront. I've read through books. I've tried to summon things. I've done weird, weird stuff to bring in spirits because I'm sometimes like they have a good time. And sometimes a good time is a little different than other people's good times. That being said, before we before we move on from that, guess what? Everyone on commentary agrees with you. They would open the book and look and read through it. As you should. Why not? Do as soon as as soon as it happened, I was like, son of a bitch, how do they agree with Lance? No, to be fair. Shortly after it was like, oh, yeah, I probably wouldn't actually read from it. I mean, but I want to bring up the fact that Mr. Eric, after he reads the book, basically fucking takes up the ass worse and worse in term of it. It is almost, I mean, I've always noticed it, but this time for some reason, it was like more crystal clear where it's like, he gets punished. Like he does not get off easily. He gets at the worst the entire time. So there is this hilarious comeuppance. And I'm not saying it's funny, but it is funny in a very simple way. I think it's darkly funny. Yeah, like he's he just keeps getting fucked more and more because he did make the mistake of reading from it. Another thing, it might be out of context, but we talked about maybe in one of our commentaries or one of the episodes earlier about our favorite and least favorite book of the dads. And I've never hated this. I never loved it. But for some reason, this time, all I could think of is it really reminds me of the book from Hocus Pocus. Yeah, it really does. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I guess I wouldn't have even thought of that. I don't, I don't mind the book in this. I like the inside is awesome. Like the inside's great. I actually, I'm not loving the outside because the face is missing. And then the Hocus Pocus thing kind of threw me for a loop. But the inside is cool. I like, I think you mentioned earlier that, you know, instead of just random creepy looking pages, they all are kind of telling the saga of whoever becomes possessed. And I was like, that's an interesting cool way to add lore and make the book a little more, you know, like purposeful, like, okay, they're looking, okay, well, now there's boiling water, and then there's going to be this and this. I'm like, okay, that's, I like that idea. Yeah, they're going more for a realistic, haunting than the more supernatural. Obviously, there's a supernatural side to this, but it is still, they're going for more of an occult thing with the, because the book in this is essentially, I would call it just flesh sewn together is kind of the look they're doing kind of like a leather face. Yeah. And it's very Hollywood. And I would almost say it's overproduced in terms of the, the stitching is like too good. Given like what the actual. It's too cool looking. Yeah. It like, it's too crisp. Like I should, we should have seen some bunches, bunch ups at one as someone that knows how hard like sewing is from like, this is someone that really knows how what they're fucking doing. And this is a tough material to work with. So holy hell. So, but I understand like something as simple as having a face in it would then not work in this world as well. So I get it. Yeah. I guess. But I've been following whatever. I mean, it's a small complaint, but they definitely don't hold back on, on the deadites. And I think that's the most important. That's the, that's the thing they get the best here. And I think it's a very clever story of her going through withdrawals. So the people will doubt her longer. And I'm like, Oh, I like that. Because again, you know, she starts floating around fucking talking double voices. Yeah, that's going to be suspicious at first. But if they're going to set up that she's, you know, a druggie, she's done shitty things before the fact that she crashes the car right away, just kind of makes her feel or makes us feel that she is she's a piece of shit. So there's a there's a little they give the characters are a lot of rope to have doubt with her. And I think that's a good way to kind of have things intensify and not us all be like, okay, guys, we're really not going to leave now because it's a guy up until now up until fucking she actually talks into a voice. Everything could be tied back to she's going through draws, she's a liar, she's going to manipulate. And I think that's a clever way to make this real in a very, you know, unrealistic way. But it's all and it's also genius too, because of the fact that we are so all cabin in the wood scenarios are people going out to escape. It's always an escape. It's always like a have fun kind of thing. This gives the excuse of no, no, these they're all banding together to and they have to be out they have to be somewhere with no service. So Maya can't call someone else to then come pick her up or a drug dealer or something like that. Has the has to be out on her own and it immediately sets up to that like all these people are good people. They're not coming out for a good time. They're coming out for their friend. The purpose of this trip is to help their friend get better. Help her kick this and like even the one is a nurse like she's ready. They're like they have all the stuff they they're doing this so right. And it just it immediately it immediately sets up this these people is just people you want to see survive. So then you know what's going to be coming. So it makes for even a tougher watch. And it's just I mean there's so many great dynamics here because obviously David has not been around properly. He hasn't really like been there for Maya and there's some like friction there which then it just then makes it even crazier when like Maya gets possessed because again they just think that I think she's going through withdrawals. It's not it she's not possessed. No she's not smelling something rotting in the basement. What is that fucking stink? It's like it's like a cup of you guys can't smell it and there's all these dead cats and she's right. It's it's so good. And it's like yeah because and of course it that sets things up within anything that she does you can just excuse it away. And it doesn't feel like a movie thing. It doesn't feel like oh yeah of course they're doing that. It's like no they're doing this because this has clearly been a problem for her because and it's just Jane Levy's performance is fucking phenomenal in this. Jane Levy is so good. Fantastic. And then there's a line I think the nurse says which is like she's going to say and do anything she can and when we're with Roscoe again to try and leave. And even the nurse there I really like is then you could put it asleep. There's things you can do that sort of elongates the situation. So when it is when everybody realizes that the rupture creek is too late because they really would have figured that out a lot sooner and if they didn't then we would be like okay great movie but I have to then really kind of let my suspension disbelief fucking soar because these idiots aren't noticing these supernatural elements but it's like no. They're literally saying like she's going to say and do everything and we are going to wait. We're going to wait till last minute because we need to keep her alive and they say like she died. She died. She's not dying again. So it's like everybody has a motivation where it's like hell or high water. This bitch is getting clean and that is that is I think really what carries the story. I mean you're right. Fantastic man. I mean you're going to tell me some bad news. I know that because we had a little conversation but I absolutely love her in this and I mean it really is her movie. Yeah. I mean I guess we can get into that now because we're kind of there. So when they obviously do a great recreation of the tree rape in this in this film and unfortunately in the years since this film has come out Jane Levy has kind of come out against it specifically because of the tree rape and more specifically horror in general she thinks the like it's something about the rape the rape side of it's like rape fantasies for men and blah blah blah and I've always because of that it really turned me off from her like she kind of she also fell out with feeding Alvarez. It was around the same time so and she was just because this is she was doing that like musical show on ABC and it's like because she's a theater kid and I think that she was just really trying to embrace a certain thing and it made me really really dislike her and it made me go why the fuck did you ever agree to do this movie and then I found out during the commentary that this the tree rape was not in the original script she actually asked about it during the commentary she was like this was not this wasn't in the script where this and it was a recommendation from Mr. Rob Tapper. Rob Tapper taught that it would be a great inclusion into the film and so and Beatty agreed and so they added it in and so Jane was already like signed on and so she just kind of had to roll with the punches. I feel very complicated right now because I don't like when people talk shit about movies I really don't especially if you're in it because it's like it's one of those everybody always seems to have an opinion after the checklists and I know that's life but it almost feels like we're going back again it's like the tree rape was an issue in the in the OG one this to me is honestly less aggressive am I am I just so desensitized I find this one outside like the little the thing going in it's really just it's actually less rapey it's not ripping up for clothes like the in the original what's your faces in getting more manhandled so I actually thought this is classier or at least a little more toned down that being said it's it's a fucking evil dead and it's it's actually a very important part of the original so I really for bitching about it again and then I think we're just repeating these these out of I don't say out of time takes but you know I'm saying like if you're bitching about the same thing we're bitch about in the 81 then I just feel that it seems more performative and that breaks America's I really really like her in this and I didn't know that she was I knew that she fell out at Fettie Alvarez I did not know that she like talked shit about the movie though because I'm like this kind of made you and I know that a lot of fans loved her inclusion me included in that new um what the kind of game the the game where like you replace online if you get what that style of game is called uh you know they did it with text chains on Fred 13th asymmetrical horror that game yeah she was in it and like and it was a really awesome dish because it's like oh she deserves it she's one of the best leads in this franchise I need I need I need to interject yeah I think I bet there's no I think this actually might be a positive thing um I may have mixed some stuff up and she did say this this stuff but it may have been it sounds like it was in regards to don't breathe that she was upset about I don't really like that movie so if that's the case I'll approach it but also but that also uh it makes sense as to why she would have fallen out with Fettie because Fettie directed don't breathe I'll I'll read you the quote I'll read you the quote I read it I've actually I've actually been in a movie before and I won't say which one where the character gets raped and on the rundown of scenes that are being shot for the day it was like so-and-so kisses so-and-so instead of so-and-so is raped I remember the director didn't see the scene as rape so her big thing is she's really against horror like the horror films using rape as a trope and then the I guess Fettie took your approach as this that's not rape in this and she she's like no this is sexual assault like this is rape I'm assuming the turkey baster scene yes the turkey baster scene yeah I mean again if it's not it's not the script I feel like this is one of those conversations where it's so dependent on so many different things evil dead oh gee the same room one has a tree rape scene it is an iconic scene it is an aggressive scene it's creepy scene and it absolutely needs to be in the remake and there's issues with that then then and then we have differences opinion on what a fucking remake of a classic should be in terms of don't breathe I don't really like that movie I think it's kind of lame so fucking I'm on her side of that I don't you know there's no iconic scene from 1991 in the original don't breathe I know it's not a remake of course well I don't want to come off as a hypocrite either though because I feel like it really depends on what is happening with the movies about what's come before well I think too you got to think but in the original evil dead it is just trauma it's not something that actually it's not the thing that gets Cheryl Cheryl's not then like um she's not possessed from the tree rape it this is actually like that that just that just uh traumatizes her to then it happens later on yeah this puts a demon inside of her this is yeah this is literally the demon going in into her which then we get those great I love the visuals of uh abomination Maya is what she's referred to as where it's like this what's abominations that the thing she's saying what do you want the thing she's saying yeah and then they we get the physical um manifestive manifestation of that in the end but abomination I like that that's cool yeah that's what she's credited as on the IMDB is abomination Maya and its sister it's her stunt double so it's cool that they were able to get her some good that scene is one of the best things in me like the look of the forest she's in this weird it's like a circular um vine and they do a couple of the I know it's from vertical but I was called the the jaw shot they did that the dolly zoom and it's true my favorite fucking ones because it's subtle and it's just enough to make you realize that things are bad and we cut to the abomination uh version and she's in in this circle it's it's fucking gorgeous it is a gorgeous shot a gorgeous scene uh in terms of just cinematography and directing I mean it's it really is I think iconic so I'm glad because I was gonna be upset I'm like dude this is one of my favorite scenes of the movies and I really do not want the actress and they're telling me it's not neat because I'm like it is so I'm a little happy that she's talking shit about um don't breathe and not eat full dead I feel a little more like okay that at least has a little more credibility whereas this belongs a hundred percent I'm sorry it does yeah and sorry for being a bad journalist and not looking ahead of time I misremembered uh the element of it that I just remembered her talking shit about one of uh one of her films that had a rape and I should say this and I think we both agree if you want to swap it up for a guy and have a go up his ass I don't care like that's yeah that's fine like yeah yeah yeah it's it's the whole point is just like uh you know violate and wait wait wait wait wait say that again to say say do posit your thing again what I mean repeat what I just said yeah I'm saying that I'm okay for you want to switch the set with a dude oh I'm fucking buying this thing no I would never in him that would be men can't have that happen to them men are too strong only women should be assaulted in horror films our being sarcastic I was like I was like I don't agree with this at all no sir yeah I did have a go up his ass come on his dick that'd be that'd be so you know I mean dude anytime there's anything with the dick or an eye or a shit and I get like you know just thinking it's just getting a uh you know swab for the doctor up there that's one of those things where like you fucking four people gotta hold me down so yeah you want to do something like that it just is effective to me thank you may have just described a scene from the boys oh well not a scene I'm watching that's for sure but yeah that whole that whole sequence is incredible and I think one thing that I was amazed at during the commentary was that they mentioned they're like we're on a set here and it's like because it was Jane Lovey being like oh yeah we're on a set here and feedy having to be like no no no not yet but then the transition dude you can't even tell and it's they even talk it's like this the production designer did such a good job you cannot tell the difference between when they're on a set and when they're just in the forest because they they very seamlessly go between the two which is that's tough that's really fucking tough I never thought about it because I always assumed it was all set just because it looks so cool and so unique but then again like I said earlier I guess I have seen a lot of a New Zealand in the fog outside that has a very similar take so yeah I couldn't tell you what's a set and what's not because it's all it all matches so so eloquently man I mean that shows how beautiful the forests of New Zealand are I mean pretty much the whole run-up is not a set and it's once she's actually like tangled up in the vines that's when it gets to be a set okay okay look at you which is crazy like that's so that's impressive like that's that's just really really cool well nothing can bite your kill you out there I remember very specifically being told there's no deadly bugs so you could walk barefoot so I guess that's why they film yeah so they're not worried about some weird spider fences Australia everything would kill him Jane Levitt been dead 20 minutes in shit and if it was America be worried about like a broken beer bottles to step on yeah like an HIV needles yeah well the uh once Mia's actually possessed I mean that whole I mean I liked I liked Jane Levitt's performance before but this this once she goes into her possessed form I I love it so much when she's in the corner just fucking freaking out like her the hair is just like proper like it's it's slightly wet but her eyes just just pierce and it's hard like because it's it's clearly like she's somewhat underlit and it just it works it works really really well for both the story that they're trying to tell as well as the like differentiating her from from ash because that's one of the one of the main pratfalls pitfalls that they would have uh they could have easily done is trying to make ash 2.0 uh in fact I think it saves the movie one that it's not ash it's not called ash and that the outside of the her sickener stomping the the handle of the um chainsaw it's not it's just a different character altogether so there is no comparison because if if it was this was ashley and aka ashley like a girl or any sort of any sort of time thought you know I it would have just been like oh well it's not Campbell it's not Campbell and listen I was I walked into this being like this isn't Bruce Campbell then I walked out like thank god thank god they didn't even try it was it's a completely different character and it really frees up a lot of like negative headspace you would have we would have had comparing or if they have had a lot of like duplicate lines I mean what's his name my old friend who reads a book he has a couple lines um I think based off people that too is like do we look fine or do you does this seem fine that he has like some repeating lines but like that's fine put him in that guy's mouth because that's not the ash character that's awesome good and he even he even is the one that says like will be is like dead by day like and they even said they mentioned and they're like we can't well they wanted to say dead by dawn but they're like no one says dawn no one says like no one ever says dawn like so we can't it would be too on the nose and it's true too much of a call back if it was will be dead by dawn it's like oh really dawn is just using people that too and uh dawn the dead I don't think I've ever used dawn it's I mean that's the reason that uh that moment and evil dead rise stands out so much because you're like oh that's clearly a reference yeah well that person I forget the person's name um tried so much to hark harken back where the remake which you soon would be the fucking uh stock full of references and wings and stuff like that is actually the more uh laid back and natural if we had to get rise to be like oh remember this remember this it's like yeah I do because because rise is a legacy sequel while evil dead is a recoil did you get through this a recoil yeah because it's not it's the it's technically supposed to be still in the same like all the other movies are canon yet they're recreating the first film like I think I would I think a recoil work because I wouldn't be comfortable calling this a remake because of the fact that it is uh it's in canon with the rest of the films I feel like remakes aren't I guess you're right the only issue I have is like that's like there's some movie knowledge you know that like if you if I wasn't reading movie news I don't know if I would have I would have put this in the same uh timeline but I guess I guess you're right yeah but we are we are moving fast so I know it's just because I tried to you know okay like let's like yes I believe I'm showing this yes remake yes absolutely remake would be the broader or like a more movie term yes yeah of just like yes uh Halloween is a slasher but it's also a horror movie or it's like okay yeah I well the legacy sequel thing sucks because this is what they this is this gave me so much hope I mean even watching the other night I was like it's so intense I'm so on edge I'm having so much fun because I'm I'm just yeah I'm crazy and I'm just enjoying all the gore that it's like this was the template they could have done find this vibe and put it in different situations like a high-rise apartment well I don't want to talk too much because like I know I'm trying not to it's but let me say this though you know how fun evil dead in a high-rise could have been I hate when you take cool concepts and fuck them up I just give me a bad movie but don't give me a cool concept because then I know I'm not going to get it again in that movie puts it in a city in a high-rise oh but it's lame fuck off I can't wait I can't wait until evil dead burn is about a bunch of firefighters that go to put out the fire at an old cabin and then they discover the book you know it's it's a this worked this worked I don't want all my movies in a cabin I really don't I think this is this session game I knew cap off not it I put somewhere else evil dead 2013 was the last cabin I want to see that's that we did it well that's why the show was so fun it was like a road trip we're going all over the places they went to the cabin they did but they didn't it wasn't all the cabin they were at a restaurant they're in a house the cabin was the main such piece though there was the ending set piece because it felt appropriate to go backward all began but we had so much stuff everywhere else I'm like okay I'm down I have three episodes at the dam okay so there's three episodes they're still fucking several though man I'm just saying if you want to have a cabin every move that's fine but we have to then either start or end the cabin everything in between somewhere else I just why it's like chasing going Manhattan just got one chasing somewhere else man I want to explore the world I but this this works this works because it understands it understands I think the the world that Sam Raimi created and it brought it in and I just sound so lame but it brought it into like the modern era with a modern audience and I know saying that now is fucking essentially saying witchcraft but like in 2013 you know it worked it just it what if evil dead it was new French extreme then boom we have Fede Alvarez uh kick and ass yeah yeah I mean Fede does just an incredible job with this film top to bottom T2B really great uh like just the the looks like the the meanness of it like the uh I would not have expected them to kill off the dog in such a brutal way right yeah but it's also it's handled in a way that doesn't make me feel like I don't want to see like don't don't want to watch it often when uh animal is killed in a film it kind of gives me this I might see it on my shelf might be going to grab it and then that thing enters my head and I'm like ah maybe not today that never happens with this film ever and it's because it a handle it in such a good way it's the same reason it happened like a dog dies in Halloween but it's handled in the right way there's ways to handle a death like this and this is handled really well where it's still traumatic but it doesn't feel gross and exploitative what makes sense because they're hinting that and of course we know it's not true but that and a fit of uh withdrawal rage she stabs the dog so you know do we know what's not true I mean I'm assuming it's she's possessed by this point so she possessly stabs the dog oh yeah I okay no no I thought yeah you were just trying to say of like the the yeah the the withdrawals I thought you're trying to say that the demon did it separately from her which I was like oh I never took it as that but I but the reason I bring up that that that I find that more in line is because if they're at a party and the trick your sister stabs a fucking dog to death we're all in a conversation but he almost kind of puts it as like uh like this is the sacrifice I have to make to keep my sister alive so just it still adds to the the lore of we're all in this to the very end to keep my sister alive as opposed to okay the dog just got stabbed to death and we're kind of just move on from it like that that's gonna be a bigger plot point in 2013 we love animals a lot more than we did in the 80s you know yeah I mean I love animals today as as much as I do any day as and I think I'm the person that uh sided with Mrs. Deagle and gremlins you did you did this is awesome I mean I I got little dogs I got squirrels I love animals too it makes it makes me sad but we cut to a part not too long after the dog and I just want to bring it up because it's my favorite part for one of them is when the nurse I should know names but I listen we've been over this podcast so many times I don't have the name Olivia Olivia is stabbing my old blonde friend in the face with a needle and he fucking kills her he kills her kills his girlfriend and then pulls out that needle under his eye and I looked over at my mother-in-law watching this and she was just like yes yes that is so effective that is the kind of horror that we do not see often because it's it's it's not super gory but the fact that it's like right below his eye and he has to pull it out beautiful fucking beautiful yeah they they just did an incredible job with that and uh we can thank mr. Sam Raimi for that scene being as extended as it is because he saw I think it was during dailies because they said that they were still shooting where uh he was like you do you need to extend this because originally it ended that when eric like initially hits her like oh so like he gets he gets stabbed and then it would cut to like him fighting rough instead of like actually cleaning himself up yeah there we don't have the cleanup stuff the cleanup and any of that stuff like cuz then she attacks again shortly after after he had any any like actually puts out her misery yeah so it's like yeah that was originally just gonna be the one and done but so as much as like Sam Sam Raimi and like I watched some little uh a little thing with Bruce Campbell it was uh essentially it was like a 14 minute was called conversations with Bruce and it was just him talking about like talking about the film production stuff and so it was real interesting and he mentioned how um they would they just they know horror so they would watch it and just they would say oh this thing like you need this you need that but they don't that's what they usually do for this they didn't have to for 90% of it because feedie just uh had such an understanding but this is a great moment for me to bring up something that I found during this week and I think it's very relevant to our talks here because did you know that Sam Raimi has three rules that he personally defines horror by I did not uh please enlighten me so number one is the innocent must suffer which we get a very nice bit of that with Natalie here because that's actually how I found this out because feedie Alvarez mentioned she's like yeah there's people that are upset because of Natalie what happened because that's uh David's girlfriend who why are they upset she's a part of the group because she's the most innocent of them all she's like a girlfriend of the brother they've been dating for like three months like she's just kind of like brought along to other people's shit so it's yeah welcome to her man welcome to her but exactly the innocent the innocent must suffer um number two the guilty must be punished which um I just have to say yes number two is number one for me that's why as soon as I read this rule the first movie that popped up was talk to me I'm like that's why talk to me bugged me so fucking much the guilty are not punished in that fucking film um and then three the hero must taste blood to be a man so it sounds like evil dead yeah yeah very very much so but I guess those are the those are the rules that he thinks that all horror should abide by as somebody who's seen a lot of movies and you know me we talk about it we watch behind the scenes stuff and it still always surprises me when you know something like the needle in the eye I expect to be in the script I'm just like of course that's that makes sense but for that to just be somebody like hey no be a good idea that always blows my mind that that sort of level of almost like casual um collaboration produces things that you know become iconic become so just needed and so tied to something that'd be like yeah I wouldn't be surprised you're like yeah you know and and fucking you know I don't know and army darkness which again we know this but like they're like yeah maybe uh maybe ash should uh you know uh say come get some it's like what that wasn't always there that was a fucking day of so it's just it's always interesting when you tell me stories like this because uh it just shows you that even is planned out as you make it ever make a movie there would be a moment on set when something would come up and that would probably be the thing that people think about the movie for the rest of the time I think one of the most iconic things in this film is actually and it's something that came up was come up with on set the reveal of the book of the dead it was original in the script it is just puts the book on the table and they they realize that it wasn't a grand enough reveal so they added the book they added the trash bag they added the barbed wire which that reveal is it's it says so much like especially that that moment that he clips the barbed wire is ah it's brilliant which then also you get that great thing of like since the the barbed wire like cuts him so then there's like the blood gets on the book and like now you're you're a hundred percent right is that the barbed wire in the the black trash bag I think is really cool because it is it is the universe telling you to not touch the fucking book because every every uh every evil dead movie is it is kind of just like there's a tape player and then there's a the best deal book with face on it which is fine and I've accepted that my whole life but then wrapping and barbed wire and and you know blocking the book that's smart um and and actually is the best reveal of the franchise I would say yeah absolutely I mean I when you were talking about the book of the dead for this film I had to look it up because I like just couldn't remember and I'm like I know I have positive opinions about this and it's because of the reveal the book itself it's like oh yeah I don't really care about that when the inside's fine but it's like the the cover I don't yeah I don't like but that reveal is so so good that yeah I'm fine and again in the context of the movie I still like the book it's more of just like when it's out on its own and like compared to the others like yeah yeah because because the face I mean I would I prefer a face I don't think it'd be too far out from this but I also get the idea that um you know wrapped in barbed wire in a trash bag can't set on fire and has a face like you know there has to be a level where like okay Eric how about you just stop so I get it I get it they you know we gotta have this fucking high schooler or high school teacher read it it's fine um but it it being so guarded is is a clever idea yeah and and you said before um that you prefer and I think I agree with you actually that the tape recorder being what what brings out the demon because then it's nobody's fault yeah like you could hit play but him reading like he could have stopped halfway and got bored or he could have messed up the words and would have happened so it does you know there's a little more of a suspension disbelief yeah and uh I mean I think they do it in rise where it's like once you hit play it's like yeah there's no I mean yeah you might logically be like oh I need to hit stop well guess what oh the stop but I can't I can't depress the stop button you know what I mean there's there's fun supernatural stuff like that that then it establishes the power of what you're dealing with like yeah there's there's stuff with that that I like which then but again this time around the Eric didn't bug me quite as much but like that's and he pays for his sins so it's like you know even if like everybody in the theater hates them like they spend the rest of the movie being like this fucker is gonna get it he made the mistake yeah I mean is it the the nail gun scene where like they just hammer home how bad he gets it like through his arms and his chest I think this time I was like I for some reason was like oh it seemed almost super aggressive like I remember before being like oh what a crazy scene this time like oh man Eric is just uh she's just getting the fucking tail end of it well and even there's there's the great moment where Natalie she goes into the cellar again she's innocent she just wants to help in the midst of all this she still doesn't think it's supernatural she's still because just like Olivia said she's gonna do and say some crazy things and yeah at this point you're still just thinking I mean at this point I would be like okay there's a demon but that's I've watched a lot of horror movies I would think demon first you know like you had a cold I'd be like I'll fucking I'll shoot you in the heart now don't you be talking weird to me they hold a hold across here's some holy water drink it okay but no there's that there's that great moment where she talks to Maya and realizes she's that Maya's uh she like Maya does the like the like I think she turns around to her I can't can't remember specific I just remember the uh herd being just out of the cellar and then it's like that stop and she gets pulled back in and it shots real quick and it's such a cool shot because it's all in one yeah so good so so good I just anything anything with uh well which then obviously we get like the the razor blade scene right after yeah so yeah and it's really well lit because it's just that sliver of light coming from what I mean obviously it's it's lights but there it's it's the the real light air the movie lights coming from this slit in the the door so it's all shadow and that's just it's like really well uh you know beautifully shot so it's like you just have the the sliver and Jane you have the sliver on the blonde chick and it's um her eyes are glowing it's great kiss me you dirty cunt there's the okay we haven't really touched on the deadite lines in this are amazing like they're they're so good at one point it's like Mia says she's like why don't you come down here so I could suck your cock pretty boy she says to her brother brother and she's like Mia like Mia's not here you fucking idiot your little sister's being raped in hell it's like oh my god yeah it took the exorcist level of uh shit talking but like did it in like the playful deadite way yes which i love it's my favorite it's my favorite um deadite style because really i think this is this is it because in the original movies they're playful yeah and that you know it's it's more just kind of like you know the average like i will i'll eat just so little do this you know and then and i'll be dark this that's just it's toned down it's not even nearly as is is goofy or goofy but i'm saying it's not as threatening and then this it's the meanest it's the most dirty and i feel again i don't remember rise that well but i remember being kind of tame so i think this is like the the peak pinnacle of of shit talking deadites mm-hmm i mean it's there's and even the shit talking because even even when Natalie is like about to cut her arm off do it do it don't know she's like don't do it you little bitch don't cut it off don't cut it off because she wants it to get to the rest of her oh yeah right but when she's in it she's she's like what do she's it's not do it it's that quick little they keep cutting back to her it's a bah bah bah i thought it was doing i thought it was doing don't do it don't do it don't do it okay don't cut it off but it's real cut it off fast yeah yeah don't cut it off don't cut it off and she looks fucking scared right when she's scared right she says the fuck you right before she cuts into it which like they they set up the arm first and then they come back to it on this and it's the same shot where they cut where then it's like oh it looks it looks so well done because again one of the main mistakes that special effects people do is they're they don't do a establishment of the effect beforehand we need to see that arm being behaving normally because if it's just a normal arm and then you cut and then you cut back and it's the prosthetic arm it's like well we know it's a prosthetic arm now it's like you need to have the prosthetic arm behaving in a regular instance so that then we don't have that jump that massive like and even if it's a small thing your brain realizes the difference so yeah it's it's because then it becomes oh this is where the effect starts as opposed to if there's a if there's 30 seconds of the prosthetic arm masquerading as the normal arm and she goes to cut it then we're like oh shit where is the cut there is it's all because the whole arm is fake but but they they they had the um you know the the buildup is what you're saying like the build is important because we don't want the this is the effects cut in this when the cup before was the real arm because even when they do it they they put it into the shot and you expect like oh now it's going to cut to the like another like a close-up that then shows it cutting and it's like nope it's all the same shot and shows it cut and just it's incredible and they the effects team on this mind-blowing stuff fantastic what probably some of the best gore effects um in my lifetime and again not reinventing the wheel but I think just it looks good it's realistic the blood has a great color consistency uh you know it's just it's just like a good modern uh gore effects and it's it walks that perfect balance try and uh because it's wasn't can be that i'm trying to trying to look up and see is it wetter or something probably i don't know some New Zealand company i i cannot see um i i was i was expecting it to have been um to it just been can be due to their close relationship but it was apparently not um whoever did it it's amazing yeah absolutely incredible yeah i can't and hold up we just just real quick we we went through all the fire the thirteenths and some of my favorite entries and the the weirder ones uh we're so cut down by the mpa that i mean it's like nothing i saw evil dead 2013 in theaters and i actually don't own the uh the extra minute cut i should but it's just i i think i bought it like month before that cut came out so the cut that i saw in theaters was so fucking gory and so outrageous that sometimes i think back like how how did Jason seven get so neutered but like this was the hey this is our we're good to go i mean can you imagine it's just out of sometimes i think like it oh in fair life is i mean i'm glad this was what it was in theaters i'm glad it's so mean and crazy but then i just think back to like half the eighties movies that we'd watch where you know like a sport of butt on the neck was like too much and we had to cut that and it's just like well i just saw levy pull out a fucking arm well we can thank cable tv for that and specifically uh show called the walking dead because it's really hard for the mpa to say something is not acceptable for grown adults to see in a movie theater when they're seeing it on sunday night on amc so i think there is a massive shift in 2010 you might be correct in that and to tie it back to can be that's mr. Greg Nicotero so it looks like what you're saying is that there's a good chance that Greg Nicotero saves the universe yes that's exactly what i'm saying which we also i think we also then have discovered why they did not work on wall to be fair can be had already broken up by this point they had uh Nicotero has his own thing but obviously he would have been busy with walking dead around this time so 100% 100% so it makes sense as to why he wouldn't have wouldn't have continued with this but i was still surprised especially after how much fun how much fun they seemed to all have on on the what was the evil dead two commentary that he was part of the oh my god i think i think i told you during that that episode that i looked up when it was courted and there was you know early 2000s maybe 99 whatever like the right around that time they had all the the DVDs come out and i kind of made me sad because like like Nicotero is not old in in the sense but he is and it's like Nicotero's at that point where yeah i mean even during this time he's kind of old and busy but like now it's like no that that guy is probably gonna retire soon and i i got like said thing i'm like we're revisiting these movies and they had the energy of youth and and just people have a good temp their friends on set and then you know i i i look at like interview now Nicotero's like in his 70s and it's like oh this guy's he's done i find it down yeah i just i know it's it's it's said to put in perspective because you know movies look forever and i think that's the good thing is that that commentary will live forever of him being youthful and having a good time with his buddies it's just you know it's somebody who we're not that old yet like i i always want those experiences to continue but they don't that's just not how it goes you don't have energy with your friends when you're 60 you're not making movies like this it's you know you're pulling a copelod and making weird uh you know why movies who before we continue on do you remember who the k&b guy that dropped out was isn't um i know what he looks like he's like a heftier guy with a black beard um he sounded powered burger our burger then okay you describing it was all right because i'm like because k&b facts is still technically around that's Nicotero's company but i'm like but i know that the three like aren't it's not the three anymore i knew that one of them had left but yeah because it looks like because i wanted to see what uh mr. Nicotero was up has been up to because he's still doing he's directing but like he still does makeup effects work like that's so crazy but is it for more things than the walking dad and spin-offs is he doing like outside stuff yeah he did fall out prosthetic makeup designer for fallout great show you were doing it yeah yeah fucking fantastic show but yeah yeah mostly i mean mostly he's doing but watchmen that the HBO show oh he did the bald cap for brian kranston on el kamino okay i never saw it but not it's the breaking bad movie i refuse to watch it because i thought the ending was so great i didn't want anymore but if it's if you're saying i should see it i but you know i am i get weird about stuff for sometimes i'm like this is my ending i don't want to know anymore so i'm this is this is perfect context you know how you like uh the army of darkness tractors cut because it just adds a little more doesn't doesn't ruin i would say that's what el kamino is doesn't ruin anything it just adds a little more context and flavor to stuff okay i don't know i would recommend it speaking of nicotero i very real quick um because we might have to discuss eventually did you ever get into the creep show tv show that he was like a big part of on shutter yeah watch first two seasons and i i don't know if i should have met to this but i have actually had access to three and four like a month early like for both of those both of those films but i'm not into them so i haven't i didn't watch them okay well i i like the series it reminds me of the stuff the nineties grew up with tales from the crip kind of cheesy and fun but there is a uh evil dead episode that sam ramey's a part of where like he he plays some guy with an echronomicon brings it to like uh what more those like antique shows and it gets all fucking crazy so there is more evil like content technically out there that is in universe if you have not seen that you're telling me that sam ramey appears on creep show ted ramey oh ted ramey ted ramey yeah you're guy but it's it's considered canon sanctioned and oh my neighbor my neighbor ted ramey yeah you're you're you're a buddy demonstrate yeah no i don't know the name of the episode but i feel it was unlike the last season um it's worth a seat especially because it has the same tone and vibe as ash foreseeable dead so i i definitely recommend it if you have not seen it or if our lovely listeners have not seen it either definitely have to check it out because i mean i went to sam ramey's imdb because i thought that that was what you initially said and uh he's he's acted in other things we're now i'm like i really need to see these just to see sam ramey's performance and i'm because he voices a giant squirrel in the jungle book like that john cavro okay yeah i never saw but good for ramey for making some money and he plays himself in the 2019 movie fanboy with uh fran crowns the he's from uh cabin in the woods the dorky guy that uh from the the hippie guy right or the yeah the guy with the the the bong the the bong uh what is it like a the bong um was that a thermos thermos thermos bond yeah that cost that cost like three thousand dollars or something for props to make because it was like fully functioning that's how it would bullshit you know like that could have cost 20 bucks but some fucking union guy did it oh 100 i think of any time i think about that i think of uh the devil's rejects making of where they go over the like pants that tiny is wearing the character tiny who you know yeah um not not um he's in the movie for barely any time his pants cost 600 dollars yeah and it's like listen i'm all about people getting paid and you know i how they would like yeah people should make their money but it is one of those things where you also i also get white people then go to fucking Canada because it's like well there has to be a balance we got yeah i'm okay people making money but it's a whole idea of like the guy can't change the light bulb we got to have the other department do where i'm like i i get that if you're making like avatar because fuck them and in blade and dry but that you know i always think of like small projections from like guys really yeah yeah with smaller productions as long as you got to look out for it's not the who cares about the the big ones big ones big ones are always gonna do fucking bullshit but um what do you think of the cabin itself i've always really like the design of this cabin i mean like i said before it reminds me of ash versus evil dad no i i think it's it's a good representation i mean it's it's close enough to the original and it still has the same idea of like it's small the outside and a mansion the inside and i like that i like that they kept that because that's something that i never really thought of until this viewing where like when they pull up like oh still small and you know looks like a fucking 400 square foot cabin that's that's giant no it's great it's dirty it's gross and i love the well and the the basement yeah it feels lived in it's it's it's a great set i mean it's probably the well it's hard to say because the old movies are different this is a modern movie that's it's going for very specific like grimy gross look but i think it looks creepy it looks unsettling and that's and that's what it should be i mean it's doing its job i was gonna say it's my favorite cabin but i don't know if that's fair because you know the evil dad two cabin is is iconic for its own reason so yeah and it's hard to compare the the difference between the hollywood yeah hollywood budget and something that people are just doing like trying to make a movie with their friends but i i mean it should bring up the fact that uh as bloody as this movie gets they only use 70 000 gallons of blood of fake blood for this yeah which is awesome that they use 70 000 gallons and not just one gallon with a bunch of CGI yeah very true but it still pales in comparison to the 200 to 300 gallons that are allegedly used on the original though it sounds fake now that we're saying it out loud really i know it's like this is this is bloodier than the original though it is yeah but i'm sure they probably didn't have as much uh i don't know i bet the cleanup was tougher but they could reuse blood um you know what i mean i bet they had better better uh like hell an example um when jane levi is in that swamp in this film like she crashes a car that was a real swamp but it was heated they heated that swamp for her how i think that was actually i thought that's that there's a set no time i was like that's a no not a set not a set that is that is a real real swamp because she was she mentions in the comments she's like yeah they put some like heaters in it that like heated up the water and it was great because all i could think was how many how much of the like uh local like wildlife and fauna or never died because you guys change the temperature for the stem uh swamp and also it's a swamp what the fuck's in a swamp i would see she's you know i'm okay not to bring this back i at first when you're saying she might have been bitching with the tree thing i was upset but it's like no bitching about being in a fucking swamp water i'd be like build a fucking water tank like well who like still water's dangerous what's in this we're fucking bugs what what like disease oh gross yeah she was very very nonchalant about that but i i'm more upset than her yeah yeah i mean she's the one that had to deal with it and she was even like yeah yeah i mean she i think uh Bruce Campbell before before filming started on this he emailed all of the primary cast members and said you will not have an experience like this um like before or after this will be the hardest shoot of your life like of like a get ready you'll but he's like his whole point was essentially like this is gonna toughen you so any you're gonna have a like a project in the future that you that someone else thinks is hard and you're gonna be like no nope not as hard as evil dead it makes me happy that he gave him like a warning shot no it's like being in things that like have real blood and and and sticky stuff is probably yeah disgusting i mean i i was in my buddy did some for college my buddy bred and he i got a bunch of like fake blood and i i was like stabbed and it was just a little like zip lock bag with blender my shirt and i remember it running down and it got him like my my fucking my crotch and it got on my balls and i remember being like i we finished and i immediately went to the shower and stripped off my clothes and it was like that i i it was it was a we're in a basement it's dusty i can't imagine the level that like something like that times a thousand times two thousands what these people are going through only like you don't get the going shower you're sitting with like blood soak balls for probably 14 hours i hate the feeling of sticky like stickiness and that's all it is just feel sticky and gross and no no good it's like uh i guess before before they gave jane levi the role they like sat down with her and like they've like i think it was bruce or sam was we're like we don't think you're we don't think you're ready for this we don't think you're ready for 15 hour days with like prosthetics blah blah blah like are you ready like art can you do this and like yeah i'm a juice she said she could she was a trooper and they had nothing but uh positive things to say i mean literally everything it sounds like as tough of uh time filming as this was it sounds like everyone had a great time and that it was uh uh what you would want from this kind of experience people enjoying each other and working hard so why did we never get more even without fettie alvarez um you know like people's like jane levi people kind of consider uh my uh person always say i always mix up with me but my is um you know character uh like okay i understand like other directors are coming and doing it but why not bring her character back she seems weird that they're always starting over and and i mean at this point spend what 12 years so she's not coming back that's that's gone yeah she's done i think she's a mom she probably doesn't have any interest and it's like you guys could have taken advantage of this when she was in her 20s and often coming after successful it got good reviews like they're like it's not one of those things where i'm like oh it found a cult audience years later we now love it it's like no this was popular at the time i remember so just strange that i don't know it's just one of those things where it's like oh we actually somehow made another cool character in this franchise then didn't uh do anything with them it's just i mean but it sucks you say that but it's i think it's ash versus evil dead that's why we didn't get it like their attention focused like shifted to that which then like that was that was canceled like prematurely which then i do remember there was like especially around the halloween the halloween legacy sequel 2018 coming out remember there being like the talks of like oh maybe we can get the ash and maya team up finally but then obviously Bruce i think that was actually when Bruce Campbell put a stop we're just like i can't do any like i'm physically incapable of doing playing ash any longer i can voice him then that's it which would be fine like but let's put him in a cartoon i just think we should bring the character back in some way no i i want to bring up the fact that and i love Sam Raimi but i swear to god every time like he's the man i always like brings in interesting ideas because he knows you're not going to happen happen and he does make like the worst times before wait before the tv show i remember how many times he's like nope army darkness too evil that four is happening we're doing it it tees like a like an asshole and after that show got canceled fucking Sam Raimi and i believe there's an article in joe blow came out it's like oh actually had a great idea for a new movie where we have two timelines the end of your darkness timeline and then the future timeline it's like and i was ready to do it but Bruce wouldn't come back like fuck you no you weren't don't say they'll give me hope like come on man it's like i don't know it and they did this for a lot and i think even uh kelly and pablo or kelly um or fuck what's your fucking real name dana de la renzo dana de la renzo was like we're gonna get Bruce back he's not done he's not retired he's come back for more and it's just like oh don't don't do that and obviously it never happens so um you know regardless i just feel like this this is the series where we always talk about all these cool things gonna happen and nothing ever does in fact the only thing ever happened was evil dead rise so yay and evil dead burn we don't know it could be good i'm not gonna shit on evil dead burn yet honestly because it's like even what rise was was the the big disappointment so now i feel like my i'm tempered in my expectations whereas up until evil dead rise i mean we just kept getting fucking bangers i mean it was like it was like i put it on red baby comes back to red i was just fucking doubling my money but uh not to get you excited for it though but i will say that the director Sebastian Vaniseck his film infested very much has like evil dead 2013 cinematography like 100 percent i will always be cautiously optimistic but you know after rise man i i can't be just in love i gotta be a little more like well let's see oh yeah i was i was i was cautiously optimistic with rise i didn't think anything about rise looked good from the first like poster i know we always thought about that but the thing is like up until then they just never failed so i was like well they can't i was because the trailer was fine they can't i was you know they can't ever i told you we had the conversation like the trailer's looked at them like i'm like it looks fine like but don't worry like their track record's too good we're gonna ruin good hands i was like don't worry buddy we they got this and then you made did that review uh i think like the day of after we both saw i think we came home and recorded i don't know if it's still online where it's just us being like oh man um i feel like we were kinder to it than we probably will be in our podcast but do you remember like the tone though it was more of like a disappointment yeah like a but a sadness like i remember being like well no it wasn't terrible but uh like this was this this didn't work and this it's like i remember the tone being filled very evil dead and yeah like i'm hard and just angry but before i was more like oh come on you know yeah i mean well we'll uh get into that next week when we get into evil dead rise yes we're we're both really looking forward to that one um but i'll talk about okay sorry no no go uh i one of the best scenes in the movie and i think in terms of cinematography and creepiness uh when he puts in the dress and buries her and there's like that when he's she's talking to him in that fucking bag and it's like blue and a sort of bit of a fire lighting i can't stress that if you want to know what i think is creepy cinematography and like what is horror i i my goal is to make some that looks like that this is such a cool scene it is it is it's fucking we're going old school of the dead even basically evil dead two in a way or even are we darkness i guess really this is like this isn't everyone and i love fetties the like thing where she talks about like her mom and he goes like yeah you're like you should how and this it's just it's it's so fucking beautiful dude i don't know i really really dig the idea of like having to kill a sister um and just the the way that the bag looks is is something else i love i love rules like that and like a rebirth i think a rebirth for possession is really interesting because it's like oh yeah i do like that concept of someone being able to essentially be able to get someone back but it's like well you got a berry i'm alive to be able to do that so whenever it's three options and this is like the best because it's like fire um berry on this one other i can't think the other one but like the the first two were like oh there's there's no there's a comeback this is like the the best chance he has and he does the and again i wish it was better really smore Sam Raimi but they do the the montage of building the defibrillator and i was like okay that's that's a little thing you know yeah they do that and like i mean props to Jane Levy they legit buried her to get the shot so that's uh that's uh that's that's tough that's i would not want to have have a dirt poured on my face but she does it and does it well like because like and it's the same thing too when she's like inhaling the bag yeah that's just her doing it i saw the clip of right after because she the whole thing as soon as feedy calls cut she is pulling herself out someone else grabs the bag pulls it off her and she's just like hunched over like oh that's awesome dude yeah so it's like i love i love when actors are willing to put themselves in in uh a place like that because it shows how far they're willing to go for their craft it's a beautiful looking shot and it is super effective so i mean it's one of those yeah like like she's she's going for it and that's why it sticks out in the movie that's what we're talking about her is because yeah she didn't like half-ass it Bruce Campbell gave the talk she said she was down and she was yep she knew and i think too that props to them because i think that's probably it it helps you don't have an actor that then is just like what the fuck why i i can't do this for like nope i knew what i was getting into and also even if she does feel those things she then has that thought in her mind where she's like they warned me when i was getting into like i like i can't bitch this is uh part of the course yeah which is that's smart producing on their part and that's i mean that's the Bruce talks about how they like they would get dailies and stuff and they'd make like a sam make a suggestion of like oh this have this be longer um they said that when they got the edit they feedie gave them feedie gave them a rough edit and that rough edit told them that feedie knows a hundred percent what he's doing and they don't need to touch him so he had a hundred percent creative like he had he had final cut on that's also on the film and it's all the first time first time director his first feature length film and he's taking on a beloved franchise and sam ray may bruce campbell and robert tapper were able to put their egos aside enough to be like yep you did it whatever you want in this we'll listen to you we trust you they gave us one of the if not the best i mean of course that's subjective uh remakes ever i mean it's it's at least let's say this it is one of the best horror remakes of all time i think that that's fair right yeah i think i only put the thing above it which even the thing that the argument can be made it's a separate adaptation but i think that can be said for if we open the that can of worms i think then many other things could be like carry the koi grace moratt's carry could be considered like uh oh that's just another adaptation it's like no it's a remake the only fight i would give you is the thing i love the thing is one of the best movies ever made um but the thing is is sorry i said i said the thing is i'm talking about the thing i should not do that is that the original movie means nothing to me so it's like whereas like the evil dead is super important so like the fact that i just felt like this had a higher hill to climb so i almost i want to i want to put it higher but i don't want to also think that i don't put it in the same categories i feel that's that's not fair to the thing either but i'm saying like let's put this in terms of like classic horror movie and remake this might be the best because fried thirteenth is in there and i'm on the street not good or bad i'm saying remakes yeah uh texas jane saw hills of eyes though i never liked the hills of eyes what people do so in terms of i think like remaking a classic this this should have failed in every way the fact that we love it as much as we do i really think is a testament uh fetté and which is funny is um i'll say this online i don't think i like him i i don't like don't breathe i don't like don't breathe too rhyme list is fine i guess um what else has he done though i mean i feel like this is still his best movie uh did you see the girl who played was the girl played with the spiders nest is that what it was after finch fit or uh did fincher walked away i got kind of grumpy so i assume it's a sequel to that it it that's not a sequel so it's the fourth the fourth book they like skipped two books because the fourth book is like that way they could like do kind of uh oh like reboot yeah or reboot with it and like the film it's uh i'm the script like i would say that has more script issues but it's gorgeous like you're gorgeous so and i never saw don't breathe too but um you know like you're right romulus has won me over um more with the more i've watched it and more i've sat with it okay but a lot i i i want you maybe you're right maybe it's his scripts because because i i can't really talk shit about any of those movies looks um so maybe that is something i gotta kind of step back and maybe it's he's one of those guys like shamlan where i'm like i actually like like your your your style of moving the camera but i just wish you got another script guy maybe he's that maybe he's like that to me i feel bad because like i know shamlan's a lot worse yeah so that people online tell me how good trap is and i'll trap the comedy i'm like traps not a comedy stop fucking try and like reach you might not like uh this roto saiagas that's his writing partner uh or is that that okay then sorry it's the same guy sorry dude not loving you i mean i love him here yeah yeah whatever he does here it works but yeah um i would say but also you love that stupid texas chain saw massacre what uh the year three no the new the netflix one oh yeah but i like it in like a madam web way though no it's like so stupid and fun you know story but the story was from them okay well so okay so really he just needs to start making such bad schlock but also wouldn't say fedia Alvarez is a schlocky direct like his style is more for schlock his is serious but if he went like super crazy yeah i don't let's see let's see yeah i feel bad okay you call me out online here but yes i did like that stupid movie yeah i know what else did one thing i was thinking of in this because i was like like at a certain point in this movie i'm like fuck i like i is despite seeing this movie so many times i forget how david died so then watching it over it's like david sacrifices himself in the cabin he shoots the gas tank that then blows up but again because it's such a brief moment we don't actually see him die it's like it just engulfs the the cabin so then i think it just doesn't connect with me in the same way that all the other deaths do because obviously all the other deaths in this movie are so heightened and so over the top and intense they don't show his but but that's fine because you're right though he it's it's sacrificial so it it means something so they don't it's not exposative they and also i like the idea that uh you know it goes to burn the cabin down earlier and it's that soaking of the cabin that that helps ignite when he shoots the uh the gas tank and killing my friend eric and who eventually becomes a deadite i was gonna say your friend eric who is in like full zombie mode i don't think he just the guy that gets it all the guy that just gets the fucking the brunt of everything poor eric man all he did was just read from a book that said don't do it the barbed wire but from that essentially from that cabin the cabin explosion on this is like a cinematographer's wet dream it is just there's so many absolutely gorgeous shots in this film they're like just me outside the cat whether it's the the shot from behind with the the the cabin on fire in front of her or at the side shot or then when the camera like tilts down it has the abomination reach up and grab her arm there it's just and the then the right the blood rain blood rain dude it's and this is this is so cool this is okay this is the definition of cool to me i remember i remember my thought in the theater me because this is and we talked about this i love a movie he's just kind of get fucking crazier mm-hmm time and the movie basically could have ended after the shotgun in the thing blowing up like that that if you end there i would have been like four star movie yeah it almost feels fucking what yeah yeah it it feels feels like i'm not that poll the pull out shot or it's gonna fade away fade away or cut to black or cut to morning cut to something yeah i agree but then it becomes a blood a blood storm against this fucking demon she's in the wall it's stabbing through cutting her arm or leg it's stressful it's fucking cool and the shot that i mean i think i consider i kind of think you do too i'm jumping around a little bit like after she rips her arm off and she stabs the fucking chainsaw into the demon and it's just this nice wide where me is on the left the demons on the fucking ground and it's just this fountain of blood it's so fucking beautiful it is so gorgeous it makes me it makes me proud to love cinema you know what cinnamon is it's that shot you know like it should be next to the godfather in terms of like beautiful you know i fucking corleone the very end you know michael in the chair and godfather too this is this should be next to it i mean i'm talking it is everything i've ever wanted it is outrageous it is intense it actually ups the ante i mean dude fucking come on i i i i i i i'm i may feel bad i'm sort of blown it but um you know let me look a little more it's it's it's it's amazing they somehow find room to make it more intense where at this point we should have plateaued i should have been like oh okay but now i'm somehow like tensing my chair in the theater when this fucking uh abomination or what do you call abomination demon abomination mia yeah it's jasoner to fantastic going through the the hole where the dog was and everything yeah great good set up to a little payoff yeah i'm sure you and i have both been going back and forth between calling her mia and mia i i think is it i think it's mia right mia mia i i i think it's mia because it's my head and mia makes sense but um you know i also like i'm so bad character names nowadays that like uh in the movie they're calling her mia part of me would be like i would call her mia so i'm probably correcting the movie but whatever yeah the gen levy good old gen levy i know that's probably my issue as i always call her jane levy i want to ask you too because honestly i don't think we brought this up in the when we talked about the original and i think it's often a point of discussion is the magnifying glass charm they all it's because they bring back you know how stupid it looks in the original how stupid it is in the original and like how silly because then they they do bring it back in the second one and it's still it's like just as stupid but i think they fix it in this one it's like they put a it's like a heart a wood heart around it it it looks like more of a charm it looks like something someone would have so kind of it fits like it fits the vibe of the girl like i i could see her wearing that you know she has that sort of like i don't know not necessarily hippie but a little more like down to earth earthy girl yeah no i thought i thought that was kind of cute or they brought the necklace back dude they bring i mean this does what a remake should where it's like it has elements and i feel like it's respected but it also doesn't feel forced like the necklace is something that you me have made fun of and i didn't think to bring up because it just felt kind of organic here and again i'm making fun of it in the original but the idea in the original is fine it's a guy giving the fucking s giving his girlfriend a gift that's sweet and i'm all about it but like yeah it's very organic here and i think that's impressive because it's something that should come off stupid yeah and there's there's i keep i keep playing the scene and it's like there's more and more i just want to i can't call out every little shot because it's just it's so good though but but there's this great shot this overhead shot of that follows down like that it's essentially following a blood drop down to the it hits off the the little charm thing yeah it's just wonderful cinematography just looks so good and i like you i love when shit goes crazy in the end and as soon as it's like what the fuck there's a weird mea evil mea coming out it's like yes yes i am i'm so on board for this because we're evil dead fans and evil doppelgangers are an evil dead staple dude the fact that we have essentially a battle in a blood storm and she loses her arm and listen you remember that s&l skit where Farley would interview people and he would just be like hey remember everyone that happened that was real cool i this is this whole fucking this whole this whole talk we're having i feel like i'm Farley right now where i'm like remember which she had that the train so i was cool man but it's it's it's cool it is this is the buck and most this is the most beautiful looking part of the movie because you're right every even when there's no fit shot where the her hands under the car and it's the way it looks the way it's framed it's it's it's beautiful i mean the the fire is basically backlitting everything so it's this warm glow highlight in the red uh they remove they remove her hand and it's not the same it's not like a parallel of ash having his hand removed to the point where i don't when it happens i don't even view it as like oh yeah now they're doing the ash thing oh is she gonna go you know attach her arm to a chainsaw i don't that that doesn't even come up in my head because this isn't treated like a legacy sequel this is treated like remake reekwool like this is using elements that yeah you know but she puts her stump in which is fine makes sense in the world but she's like feast on this with the fucker she has a great little ash line too i mean it's like it's her own it's not a repeat it's not come get some it's not uh you know uh i don't know i'm trying to think of like another one like yo she bitch they could have easily and really if it was made anytime after this it would have been an a line it would have been the line from fucking evil dad too but you know feast on this motherfucker or whatever she says uh it's the abomination says i will feast on your soul say feast on this motherfucker yeah it's just fiction in the face i love it yeah that she does it's like the dive and then she also does the uh go back to hell bitch like it's so i love it i love it that's the best i think it's my favorite ending of all of the films i it's hard for me because i love the the army darkness but this is not the same though this is the best i mean this is like horror this is straight up you know like it's revenge almost revenge like me was put through all this shit all her friends are dead so like it's cathartic watcher cut this bitch into and then the chick like melt into the grabbing dude it's it's um this is a high that i i took for granted because i just thought we get more of this and i'm cautious now that we might not this might have just been a special moment but do you feel like because i kind of uh i kind of feel like i am more appreciative of things now because of having things like evil dead not living up after you know this came out 11 years ago we thought they'd be able to get a bunch more of these that didn't end up happening friday the 13th 2009 it's like had a blast in theaters where it's like oh i'm gonna have so many more great times like this we're going on 16 years since that so there's like there's these things that then it makes me appreciate it's like even when we were watching alien Romulus there were moments where i was just like oh my god yes it this like looks so alien because after seeing alien covenant like i was really annoyed at the oh yeah there's alien elements of it but it's like no it's like you're just putting it in a different you're putting you're putting the same alien set dressing on something that's not alien so it bugged the shit out of me so it's like having these times we're then able to see of like what oh well we we don't know and to be fair that can happen with alien Romulus we could be thinking like oh yeah they're gonna do a sequel with rain and andy and it's so set up for that and then 10 years from now we'll be going huh yeah i guess that alien earth tv show really uh really uh like delayed or really messed with plans for our alien Romulus sequel it's like you never know no no you know and you know what i think you you really hit it on the head which is you know and i know this i shouldn't give a shit about more i should you know like no this is the fact that we got something this good in evil dad in 2013 is amazing this should have failed so the fact that we have it we have a new movie a new remake done by a different writer and director and it still to me is is up there with the best of the series like no i i do i do try to appreciate stuff like this and honestly i say that i want more but you know me i don't want more because the chances of it being good are just you know you bring back the same right director some actress introduces this means shit to me so i i think it's awesome that the remake is this good and i think it's cool because this is evil dead one if it was made now and and you know i love it dude i love it this is my kind of a horror movie but you didn't even i didn't even realize until you said that it's like yeah your your mindset with this film is very different from other things because usually you do take that like no no we have it we don't need more so it's interesting that with but this though you're like no no i want more because up to this point we had evil dead evil dead two army darkness in this i can't stress the fucking run the run of that i mean i i was foolish i was i was younger 2013 you know i was i was all like oh we're just gonna have great times forever we're never gonna age and our friends are gonna live and my fucking pet's gonna fucking be 60 it's like not dude i was an idiot um now i'll never be this happy this this was the perfect ending and i should have taken that way which is you somehow made a great remake of a movie i love and didn't include Bruce Campbell Sam Raimi and i and i love it equally i put it up there with as just a different version that's so incredibly tough especially for somebody like me and i'm assuming you where this series is so important to like my horror youth and and sort of growing up i mean this was like this series the mean funny goofy bloody series so it's like i would have to add another element another version and have me love it it's just it's awesome so yeah i i guess i should just appreciate it more and you know what i will see how burn does but in the end um we're not topping this in terms of serious evil dead movies i think i think we should accept that unless you want to fight me on it i think i think this is peak serious evil dead no i i i i smurked i smurked because i immediately just thought of all the memes that are going to end up coming out with the evil dead burn notice it never even occurred to me oh i i went out better at photoshop so i could make some myself do you think burn is going to stick or do you think it's one of those like uh i know it just seems like such a lame title i don't i don't i don't think it i don't think it's getting enough backlash i think only we don't like it i think it would need like a bigger i don't know maybe i like people that rise i like that title maybe we need to do our part maybe we need to start trashing the title on in public space yeah i can't just be like a random fucking adjective or something on the end it can't you know we gotta we gotta do more we gotta do more right evil what we're some other ones we could evil dead grow evil dead evil dead evil dead slash well let's think of good names what's like go i i'm thinking i'm in line with everything else i don't think rides is good i don't think burn is good i we'll get into an next episode but i hate those credit sequence of evil dead roys i kind of like the credit secrets brother i liked uh no we needed a cut to credits boom smash cut that's fair well it's also a lame opening so i guess we'll get to that yeah we'll get to it all right what would you rate evil dead 2013 what if i was like two stars no well i would fork yourself it's a force for a movie i i don't i wouldn't say i couldn't go any lower i mean you no this is a four star movie i mean genuinely it's going to be tough to not put this at number one for me when we do our ranking because it it it it was such an experience for me i'm really trying to especially for when we do with the ranking i'm trying to not just put my overall thoughts on like i'm like oh i've always felt this i'm trying to put like no what was how am i feeling right now my most recent viewing how did this go so i'm trying to think of it in that mindset so it's like it's tough my 2013 but my 2013 viewing was so i was it put me in such a great mood like i was having the time of my life yeah i don't it's a it's a fantastic movie four stars four stars yeah easy four stars i think people agree i think a lot of people agree this is one of the the few remakes if i'm correct where the consensus was could god damn job nope i don't think that uh i don't think we've seen a remake be as widely accepted both from the original fans as well as new ones as this because it was able to essentially give us a new film that still worked well with the old like worked in line with the old series while still having a modern twist to it which that is the that's the key to bringing in new audience members you don't need to appeal to the people who love the 80s aesthetic and style of that because guess what you still have that other the other films so it's like you got to you have to embrace you have to embrace modern and embrace the things that modern audiences like and just kind of put that flavor into the the mold of evil dead which yeah i think evil dead 2013 did it wonderfully and it's always weird because like i i don't i tend to reference this as just evil dead and then the evil dead for the original so like when we mention of like oh yeah i don't ever say the it's like well i actually do say the for the first one because specifically since this one is called evil dead it's my easiest way to differentiate between the two without calling it remake or 2013 i guess you're doing authentic i i just use 2013 because i thought evil that just sounds weird but really look at you being authentic and correct in terminology yeah or or just lazy in that i then have to say a little less less syllables yeah but not but people will be confused you'll have to actually talk more because you're going to confuse everybody and then you have to do a lot of backlogging and then i just say it just doesn't make to be fair that's the only reason i even had to explain myself right now because i didn't want listeners to be like wait well did you mean the first evil that yeah oh it was less syllables uh i didn't really work out for you yeah i guess not well thank you guys so much for listening this episode we had a blast recording it and we you can make sure to find other episodes like this on uh any podcasting platform we have much on Spotify you can leave comments there we have an instagram that is fairly active and then you can check out our patreon where we have a monthly roundup where we go over the some different like modern films that we've seen not always modern sometimes we just go over stuff that we watch for the first time that month and then we do a monthly commentary episode which for our evil dead month we covered army of darkness so we still we're not entirely sure what our next one will be so if you guys want to hear something specific make sure to let us know by either commenting on our spotify commenting on patreon or emailing us at needlessly nostalgic at gmail.com but yeah make sure to follow us on any of those platforms and we thank you so much you'll see you in the next one when we cover evil dead rise goodbye [Music]

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