Monsters Up North Podcast
Monsters Up North - Fright Night
It's a perfect night, Mr. Ian Holland. The air itself is filled with monsters. Children of the night, what music they need. It's a night, it's a night! Well hello all you monster fiends and thank you for joining us for the deep dive factoid filled episode exploring Hollywood's most famous monsters. I am your mistress of Terrimony Sam and I am joined as always by Dan from Bleed and Marvelous. Hello Dan, his dinner is in the oven, hi Dan, hi Dan, I don't know what to expect from you. We just don't know which one we're going to get. Well thank you for joining us for another episode of the Monsters of North podcast. Well I know I said I was coming home with that prize from the quiz and I didn't quite come home with that because my team came second but what I did come home with is an audio list, you're not going to be able to see this, but I did come with an hour of Queen Mug and it's called Creature on! So I didn't win the quiz but I won the best prize because one of a kind, Creature logo because if anyone knows our logo is a Frankenstein. That's why, well tonight we're in for a frightfully good night! Or are we? I don't know what this point, I don't know, but we'll lay, I'll get the disclaimer out the way and then we'll crack on into this week's episode soon. Everything discussed in today's episode is our opinions and our opinions alone. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, a police come and join us on our Facebook pages, their Discord or the comment section where we can have an open discussion and put what we won't have is anyone comment for us and tell us our opinions are wrong because we can all agree to disagree in fandom. So let's keep it fun, keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of a nerdism. And don't be a dick. The most important one, after everything I all say, that's the most important one, don't be a dick. Don't be that person. And before we get into this week's episode, just want to do a shameless, shameless plug. And I recently guessed it on another horror podcast, I know, I know, I am, I'm very sorry. Let's talk a horror podcast and I did an episode with BP, sorry, yeah, BP, on The Omen, which went up on YouTube the other day and now is on all platforms. If you want to go and listen to my amazing knowledge on this movie, I know I'm wearing the t-shirt today, I do, I knew a lot and I showed that in a, in a knot so much, I know this, I know this kind of way, I was, I was good. Yeah, hand up and everything. But that's not what we're here for tonight. We are here for the 1985 and 2011 Supernatural Horror Movie, originally written and directed by the legendary Tom Holland and then Craig Gillespie, the film follows Charlie and his discovery that his neighbour is a vampire. If you love being scared, it'll be the night of your life. Welcome to Fright Night. Fright Night! Oh, no, Fright Night, wow, I had, I remember, I remember watching the 2011 one first and I was like, this is a good film. I really like this. Watch the original, thought me that as an even better film. Went back and watched them again for this, always my opinion changed a lot. So I'd already written my notes out while I was doing the, while I was watching the first one and had to take to my phone the second night when I was watching the remake to make sure I didn't miss anything because, oh my God, my opinion has changed quite a bit. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is an exercise in practical versus special effects, massively these two films. In my opinion anyway, and I feel that the 2011 is let down massively by the lack of ability to use practical effects, considering who was on board for that film as well. So it's like you have, you know, in the special effects world and you didn't utilize it well. And I feel like this isn't a comment on the storyline, the actors, anything like that, it's just a pure comment on the use of CGI that has aged terribly in the 2011 one to the point of where you can't even go back and remaster that shit, it is so bad, it's like it is just. It's when you know who worked on it, then you go, what the fuck were you thinking? On the original movie, and I've read quite a bit about this guy to make sure I didn't forget anything was Steve Johnson. Steve Johnson is guy who created Slimer, Guy Sultanialman, Doc Ockenspider-Man 2, he worked in his early days on the Howlin, which then got him a job for American Werewolf in London. This guy is the real fucking deal. Yeah, he worked a lot with Rob Button as well, and he did the thing. He's part of the crew, you know, when we've done our episodes on Rick Baker and Tom Savinian, when we talk about their crew, he is part of Rob Button's crew. Yeah, of course, they had two other people on that crew that are actually really hugely accredited as well, which is Dale Brady, he worked on the thing, Bill Juice, and more recently Donnie Darko, and then Bill Sturgeon as well, he was the creature effects guy on the original 1985, and he did Army of Darkness, Adams Family Values, Men in Black, all of them, Focus, Focus, and now you're ready for this, but he did Killer Clowns and Aliens as well, but this one he did, the blob, 1988, nooo, yeah, he was responsible with the blob, so you've got people who know what they're doing when it comes to vampires, World Warf you know, transitions, whatever you want to call it, there's there's there's well-oiled machine in in respect to the people that have worked on previous projects or projects to come, that these people know what they're doing when it comes to special effects, you know, and they wouldn't have them on all of those films afterwards afterwards after this if they didn't think it was any good, and to be fair, I have to say that were all transformation right when we get there, transformation when we get there, I've got a lot to say about that, but yeah, well, Steve Johnson also was part of the Superman movie that never was, on the Nicholas Cage, yeah, he was part of this, but he created the suit, oh wow, okay, yeah, the suit, but never, but never was seen, and there's a habit of creating things that are never seen and all used for other purposes, doesn't he, like, as the library ghost situation in this one for Ghostbusters, did you hear about that there? No, I just saw that he was part of it, but it didn't focus more on Slimer, so I didn't know anything about that. Now there's, you know the library ghost, the pink library ghost where it changes, I know the pink library ghost. Yeah, there was a, a bust made for a puppet that they were going to use, but it was deemed too scary, it would have notched up Ghostbusters to the next tier on the right, you know, like a PG and that, even it notched it out, and they didn't want to do that, so they cut it, but it's a very, very long-faced looking kind of ghost and it's a version of the pink one, but worse, you know, like really kind of like terrifying, and then we used it in Fright Night for the scene at the end, what? So when you see the bat at the end, the Jerry Dandruff scene, which we'll get there as well, that is the ghost from Ghostbusters. That is crazy, I like the fact that he's been able to reuse it though. Yeah, they've just gone, yeah, all right, mate, don't worry about it, we're not precious, you don't have to, you know, we're not going to keep it in a, in a box for it to rock to death, yeah, I get away and use it, yeah. Absolutely, um, should we get into the film, oh, the film, the first film, the, let me get my dear, so where are we? 1985, what a cast, by the way, um, Chris and Sanderson, Sanderson, Chris, Sarajan, said that right now. Surround him, yeah, yes, just think Susan, because, oh yes, I still can't say that though, um, who plays Jerry, the guy who played Charlie, William, uh, Ragsdale, did my fucking tits in. I did not like this Charlie, I did not like that. I want to compare the two, Antoine Yorkshire, nailed Charlie for me, hands down, but yes, obviously two tall girls. Two tall, yeah, because with the beginning of this one, it starts out with the Fright Night TV program hosted by fucking Peter Vincent, oh my god, Ronnie McDowell was just unreal in this film, he'd give me Peter Cushion vibes throughout the whole thing, his name is even taken from Peter Cushion and Vincent Price, um, I loved him. Don't get us wrong, I didn't mind tenant to a degree, but this was Peter Vincent. This was, the purpose for this was to bring back the old Hammer Horror style, um, like the love for camp, kind of horror present, like in a minute, we didn't get this over here, which is something that I don't understand where we didn't. These, um, takeovers of TV, like Elvira did it, where she'd introduce movies and then you'd see a movie or a short trailer for something and then she'd talk afterwards about something, there'd be these little skits in between, and it'd be a whole night event where she'd be putting on three or four or five films that she'd be in between talking. And this was very similar to that where they used to, they, they had Peter Vincent introduced in his terrible movies that he did from the '60s because he's supposed to look a lot younger in the movies than he is, which, by the way, I have to say, the wardrobe department did not, not wardrobe, the special sex department didn't do him justice because they sprayed his hair white and you could see it. You could see it. And it was just put him in a wig man. What were they thinking? I mean, not a, not a good choice, but I still, I fell hard for Peter Vincent. But he was, you're right, he's such like, he is the, the horror host of the, of the ye oldie times. The only thing we have as close to that now is Joe Bob breaks, it is the driving shores. If you subscribe it to Shudha, you can catch it, but it's such a great concept. Elvira came back for a 40th anniversary and she did the Elvira show with movies. And I think one of them was the Avocado. Oh gosh, I can't remember what it's called. But it was, the movie choices were diabolical to what she ended it with Mistress of the Dark. So, you know, swings around above the smoke. So yeah, I absolutely love Peter Vincent, here to Charlie. And oh my god, his girlfriend. Amanda, I think her name was like Amy. That was an Amy. What a whiny, whiny, whiny, whiny person. Well, the way this sets up, you automatically are set up to hate Charlie because of the concept that Tom Holland had when he wrote this. He wanted a situation of like a boy cries wolf thing going on. That was the main thing. Like somebody who tells you something over and over again, and it's not true, it's not true, it's not true, and then when it finally happens, no one believes it. So, he wanted to use that concept but not in that way. So, you know, he used a horror fan that was trying to spook people or prank people with these horror things so that when something finally did happen that made sense, no one believed him because it was so far fetched. You know, it matched all the shit that he pulled before that they were like, yeah, whatever. You're set up to hate him because of how he acts around Amy, like one minute he wants to kiss her and she's pushing them off next minute, then two are going to have relations. And then like next minute, he's looking out the window and some binoculars, you know, it's like, I don't, there's no, you just said to Amy, you don't like him. You know, he's not a nice person. And I don't know whether that was the intention or not. I'm somewhere stuck in that gray area with the original Charlie. I'm like, it doesn't help that the next movie you watch after this for us was the remake and you get the charm of Anton Yerswick because he played that, oh, mwah. And yeah, Anton, sadly, as most of you know, if you know the sad story of Anton Yochin, he was killed by his own car, which is, yeah, pretty awful. Yeah, he was pinned up against his, he was something that is, he's gay. It wouldn't happen and then he was gay, and crushed him to death and really so sad. He had, it's hard to get your head around what kind of career he could have had, based on the career he already had. Yeah, I mean, he just, he'd done Star Trek, kind of like he was with the Witcher. It always takes me a while to check off. Check off. But yeah, it's just, he'd done, he'd just done the things and stories. He was going to do all those movies. He was also in one of the terminators, am I wrong? Am I wrong? Am I wrong? I think he might be right. Yeah, he was John. Is he John in one of things? I'm sure, basically he had a very long career starting as a kid. He was a child actor and it just seemed to be like he was just flourishing and then it was just sadly taken away from him. He is in, I think he's in Hollywood forever and he's got a beautiful statue, like a brass statue, brass or something along those lines, but a lovely big statue of them where he's buried. And a lot of people, I watch a lot of cemetery programs and a lot of people are very respectful around Anton because it's a guarantee. His mum will be there. She is there every single day and has been there every single day since his death. So people are very respectful that she just goes and sits and then she gets up and goes and they're very respectful about that and they leave her alone. They've never bothered her. If they see her there, they walk away because he is in, he's amongst, he is amongst some royalty. He is amongst Chris Cornell's right next to him. One of the Ramones is there. He's got some names beside him that will attract cemetery goers like myself. And yeah, it's just so sad. It's just so sad of what, like, where he was gone. He was just going to get bigger and bigger. And he was in a hell of an actor. I'm glad we got that out of the way with now because it's like, but it's just it's when we've been talking about Rodney McDowell in the original one who played the original Peter Vincent, most people know the name and some have obviously confused with Malcolm McDowell from Clockwork Orange and... Mad relation. We know not relation at all. Even though they're both British, not relation. Rodney McDowell is most famous for being a monkey. And he is the original Planet of the Apes, the main character from the original Planet of the Apes, which came out in 1968. He played Cornelius. He also played Cornelius in Escape from the Planet of the Apes, which came out afterwards. But then in 1972, they released Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, and he played Caesar. That's where your Planet of the Apes knowledge comes into play. But then released another one called Battle for the Planet of the Apes, and he played Caesar in that as well. However, he then went on in '74. I think it was to do the TV series of Planet of the Apes, and he played Galen, so he's played three different characters in three different versions of the franchise over a 10-year period. So that's what Rodney McDowell is most famous for. And if you see those prosthetic works, you go back and think to yourself, okay, the Tim Burton one, which we have covered, is our degree. I think the special effects work on that was amazing. But when you look at the TV show and the movies that Rodney McDowell was in, and you see the amount of work that went into those apes, and you're talking about '60s, how uncomfortable that must have been for them back then. It only gives me more respect for Rodney, because he was a matter of work that went into that. So he's a seasoned actor, he's a born and bred in England, Dana history at a 10-year, did his bits and pieces, landed on his feet, getting in Planet of the Apes, and then he was like, he's very much a dog-jones of his time. People knew to be a character who he looked like. And he was a very fucking good character actor. I love the fact that he based his performance of Peter Vincent on the worst actors of all time. And to him, the cowardly lion from the Wizard of Oz was the one he really went with. You can tell, you can tell so many times when he just runs away, screaming, and that's the noises he makes as well. It's like, oh god, no, it only runs off. But yeah, I mean, the way they set it up is there's no lapibility factor with the Charlie in this one. Amy is a whiny pain in the arse, and I know people are going to slate me for what I say here, right? Ed is an iconic character. Everybody knows Ed from the movie. You know, Ed is evil Ed, right? My god, that guy can act for toffee. He's terrible. His acting skills in that film. I don't know whether it was the pacing, because Tom Holland, this was Tom Holland's directoral debut. So I don't know whether it was just the fact that he wasn't into it so much. You know, he didn't have the experience enough to keep the pacing going, but it always felt like Ed had a pause between the in the dialogue and it wasn't kind of like flowing one another. I have such a problem with dialogue in both movies that I will save. I'll save it for the second one, because this one wasn't so bad. But oh, good God, rewrites. Tom learned the words. And did you know, did you know, who did audition for Charlie? Ed. Another Charlie. Mr. Charlie Sheen. Yes, Charlie Sheen, our audition for the role of Charlie Brewster. What a name as well, Charlie Brewster. It's so American. Yeah, that isn't it for us Brits. That is a very American name. Charlie Brewster at your service. Yeah, and Tom Holland just didn't see him as a Charlie. I can see why. I mean, there's going to be a generation of people that only know Charlie Sheen for being Tiger Blood. But no, Charlie was huge in the 80s. I mean, he's again acting royalty, father is Martin Sheen. His brothers are media astrophys. Charlie was a backpack kid as well. I don't know whether he's directly in the backpack. No, he was just around. He wasn't part of their click, but he was definitely, to be honest, Charlie was probably more cool than all of them put together. His brother was a media was part of that was part of that click. But Charlie was probably too, way too cool to be a part of that. Because, you know, Charlie, the time of Charlie Sheen, I still have a lot of, I don't know what the right word to use is, but something for Charlie. Like, I understand him going off the deep with the Tiger Blood thing. It kind of made a lot of sense to me when he revealed that he's HIV. Was he HIV positive? Yeah, HIV positive. Yeah, and so it kind of explained a lot to us about him, but I, I've thoroughly enjoyed Charlie's films. Oh, and hilarious. He was the king of parody. He was the king of spoofs. He sat next to Weird Out and they shook hands and they decided that the pair of them would just not take life seriously anymore. Yeah, and I wish I wish it played out for him in a different way. But unfortunately, it didn't. But Tom Holland did have one person in mind for Peter Vincent, which was myself. It was Vincent Price himself, but do you know what I was thinking? Oh, that had been amazing. However, Vincent Price would have brought such a different charismatic to that performance. You wouldn't have been able to take it serious that he wasn't a fraudster in some way. I don't think it would have worked. The way that Rowdy McDowell plays it. Yeah, because like you say, Rowdy plays it as the coward. And I don't think I've ever seen Vincent play the coward. He's played the dastardly husband. He's played the, which was the general. He's played many, many characters and more into the 80s when he started going into the tongue-in-cheek kind of carry-on movie that he did, which I forgot the name of, which I started to watch the other day. It's actually a Netflix, but I've got 10 minutes in, I was like, you know what, Vincent, I love you, but I'm just going to have to just stop this now. But yeah, I can't, I'm not slightly in his ability to be able to play that character because I don't know. I'm sure Vincent was very, very multifaceted and he probably could have done it, but I feel like Rowdy was the right choice because he, what I think Tom went for was that quintessential British Van Helsing style character that was, he had a, you know, like, yeah, that's what he wanted. He wanted that kind of hero that wasn't a traditional good-looking hero. He wanted just like, you know, it wasn't about making, getting the woman at the end. It was like killing the vampire and things like that. And it worked, you know, it worked really well. And the thing that got me about all this was him and Amy's story to me was kind of into consequential other than for the purpose of Jerry Downbridge, but other than that, no purpose for Amy to be there really whatsoever. So honestly, he's looking at the window and he sees Jerry Downbridge, his new next door neighbour and his little minion walking a coffin into the into the house next door. And then he proceeds to become a peeping Tom on his neighbour, tries to get into his basement and all sorts of stuff. I'm like, Charlie, what are you doing, man? You know, this is like, yeah, you've gone way, way too far. The, Jerry Eaton and Apple, who was down to Chris's, Chris's idea, because to him, he was a fruit bat. Yes, I love that touch. It was really clever because like, obviously every kind of empire has a different law. Some can't eat human food. Others can tolerate it to mask the fact that they're the vampires. They just eat it to give the impression they're not going to hide. Others project a vomit when they eat it, you know, some eat food perfectly fine. I just liked the fact that they, there was no sort of like, I don't like can you eat then? How can you talk about it? There was no discussion about it. It was just accepted. He eats fruit. He eats fruit because he's a fruit bat. That's how he played it and I absolutely loved him for it. He is such a presence on screen. Yeah, I mean, if you don't know who Chris is, he is mostly famous other than for this film for I would say Princess Bride. Oh shit, yes. Also, I take that back because the majority of younger listeners or people would know him as the voice of Jack Skellington. That's right. He's not the singing voice. He's the talking voice. The singing voice is Danny Elfman, but he is the talking voice and also he was in Tom Holland's other movie, the little tiny film. I don't know if anyone's heard of it called Child's Play. Just a small role we had in that one. So Tom loved him so much, he brought him into that as well. So, you know, he's just such, oh my gosh, he's just everything you want in a vampire. It's the clothes as well. Apparently, when he steps out in that iconic grey overcoat who read Jumper T-shirt, but they ensemble thing. People went out trying to find that coat because men wanted to wear that coat. It was like there was a craze people needed to get it and it wasn't anything you could buy off the rack. It was like made for him. So, you know, people trying to emulate this look because the amount of women that fell for Chris, just by watching this movie, they were like so besetted with him. I mean, he has moments where it's like he can command a room just by standing there and he walked into the nightclub and he's standing on the stairs. He's wearing a bloody Jumper, like an old-fashioned sweatshirt and he's just that. He's so out of place. But you don't, it's not like you look at him and you're like, "Oh, what are you doing here?" It's like, "Oh, dude, what are you doing here?" And it's still very, the thing I love about how some people play vampires is how stoic they are. Like, you can play it stoic and be wooden, but you can also play it stoic and give it mystery. And I feel like that's what Chris managed to pull off here. Yeah. This is what Colin Farrell didn't manage to do in my book. The two jerry's were completely different characters. It's so different. But they were written differently and he was just following instructions. Colin Farrell. Anything I see about Colin Farrell has nothing directed at Colin Farrell. It's everyone else around him. I got on my high horse to end after watching it because I just felt they didn't, I felt they didn't bash and they didn't dirty. I think there's there's pros and cons to both of the films, but I will say in this, in this film for me, Charlie Sucked. Yeah. Tom was better. Jerry, Chris was better than Colin, you know, if we're comparing. And I will say, Evil Ed was way better than Ed in, um. McLovin. McLovin, because frankly, it's pointless as a character in the new film. That just takes you and when I'm fuckin' love it, it's just, it was when you sent me that message and went, does your hair grow if you get bit larger? I was like, um, no. And then I tweeted and then I watched it, I was like, I know what she's talking about. I sent down a message and went, question, if you get vampirism, does your hair grow? And she, she didn't reply for it. And then I speak. I was like, oh, yeah, that bit. That's where you are. Oh, that, that, yeah. Whoa, we'll get to that in a second. But this is how amazing Chris is. Not only is he an brilliant actor, um, played this part, like chef's kiss. He is a theater kid. And when it came down to the makeup, we've all heard, we've all heard stories of people bitching and mourning and Chris was not that person. Chris actually helped put his own makeup on because he knew from his theater days, because a lot of people, and it probably comes down to the Lon Chaney effect. Yeah, Lon Chaney did his own makeup. Um, you know, them, them beautiful looks that you get in front of the opera and the, the hunchback. And they are, they are all down to Lon Chaney. And I imagine people who have like an idea of makeup and theater and acting like it, I like to believe that it came from Lon Chaney. And I feel like Chris was that person because he literally, he would put his own fingernails on. That's the thing that made me laugh as well. Because he was quoted as saying, um, after he said about putting his own hands on, he was like, but it was a real nightmare to go to the bathroom with them. Yeah. Because I had extensions, didn't they? They had the slide. Yeah. When he went into the, the vampire, the extended his fingers out to give him like slendery, like, it's just, it's beautiful work fingers. Because if you have a bat and look at the, you know, when they, when their wings go out, they go into those spindly little spines and down into the little hands and they're supposed to be very reminiscent of that, which is pretty cool, I think. Oh, it's spectacular. And he just, I can't say enough good things about this man in this movie. And quite honestly, if he wasn't in it, I don't know how my attention span would have been. But it's the only issue I have. Well, it's not even an issue. I would say it is just a preference, maybe, if we're going there, is that he made an ugly vampire. Like, I know, like, again, we're going back to the directions, they want to take a vampire in, you get the sexy vampires, like, you know, you're Brad Pitts and I'm not saying Tom Cruise, because Tom Cruise has never been sexy in his entire life. Not to me, but Brad Pitts, I get it. But you have that style of vampire, you know, you've got your originals, you know, you've got your classes and all that sort of thing, if you watch that. Or you've got your ugly vampires, like your spike. When spike changes, he does go ugly, but he's still funny because he spiked in Buffy. But then when he take one look at Jerry, when he changes, he goes from this world put together, mysterious, stoic, like, he finds this whole thing again, he's just finding it, he's in, he's standing back watching it play out because he's been here a thousand times before, you know, him and his minion have these inside jokes. The minute he gets stabbed with that wooden pencil, when he's trying to choke out Charlie in his room and his face changes, it goes to the first one and I was like, oh, and then it went to the even further where he took it to the next step, like his face changed. And again, I was just like, I took one for that. I was like, Oh my God, why? Okay. It's not a sexy vampire because you think you get fooled into thinking he's going to be a sexy vampire because of the sex, almost sexy, that there is when Charlie is being a dirty little perv with his binoculars, watching Jerry bite that woman that he's obviously having relations with through the window, because it is very sexy. He gets his fangs out and he looks like he's going to buy her and then he clocks, you know, he clocks Charlie through the window. So you think, Oh, that's the vampire we get. And then boom, you're given this really ugly vampire. And I think the purpose in my opinion, I could be completely wrong, but in my opinion, the reason why I think Tom did that was he just wanted to show that yes, he's the bad guy. So if we make him ugly, you're not still not going to have that. You're going to know the difference between when he's not a vampire and when he's a vampire and he is the bad guy, you know, you got to remember that. You get what I mean, he's the bad guy. So he's going to be horrible to look at. But you've got to remember that fact, he's still the bad guy. And look, do you know what I really love though about the makeup was the eyes. I loved how the eyes changed. They had a contact lens specialist very protruding. That's the thing they had a contact lens specialist that worked on a movie that was not positrous, that came in, put them in and took them out for them. He was on site if they had irritations, things like that, which I know is a commonplace thing now. When you think about it, I mean, I've never put thought into it. I just thought they walked their contacts in and that was it. You know, I never realized they had to be an optomative site to do it all for me. What would lunch you think about that now? Wouldn't they? Oh, I think my Bluetooth's gone. It take you take a second away. Come on. That Bluetooth is connected. Oh, that's nice to it. Yeah. Um, yeah, lunch in his eyes. Egg whites, what are egg whites? Yeah. And I've seen the shells that they were placed in. But he wanted a contact specialist. Contact lens specialist. He would suffer for his artwork, Lon. He was prepared to go blind. Yeah, I just, I love the makeup in this so much. And the amount of special effects work in this film, to me, puts it on par with American werewolf puts it on par with a howling puts it on par with a thing whilst they're all totally different. Well, adjacent or totally different types of special effects, creatures. The 80s really has a special part in like I have this nostalgia for the 80s that yes, I was born in 1980. So but watching these films as a 44 year old woman and having the ability through this podcast, which is something I, you know, you don't really, I'm not that thankful for normally, but I was sitting back and having a moment. And I was like, you know what, I love doing this so much to show because it, I get to go back and watch all these movies from when I was a kid with new eyes. And yes, they are sometimes so freaking ridiculous. But you've got this level of appreciation that as a kid, we watch for the first time you just don't have. And now like the amount of work that goes into them creature features have always been my favorite genre. Yes, horror is there. And any kind of horror that has a creature in it, I consider a creature feature. So we're going, my love has always been with, it started at Frank and it's worked its way, you know, all the way up. But it has such a special place to be. And this movie doesn't get enough recognition for the sheer amount of special effects creatures and a work that went into it. I don't feel like you hear it talked about enough. No, I totally, no, you don't and I totally, totally agree with you. And I, to a part like, I love that you said that earlier about that we get to go back and watch these movies. Because for me, some of them are first-time viewers. But it's, I feel like if I watched them back, if I watch this, I only watched this Friday night a couple of years ago, wasn't that long ago. I don't know how I would have taken it. To be honest, my younger viewing is probably more shapes and colors. Like, I'm not paying attention to the actual detail that's going on. Because let's be honest, it's not ghostbusters, I'm not fucking interested. And in ghostbusters, I did, like, I think my appreciation for the movie making and the practical effects of things, it starts at ghostbusters, obviously. But then it creeps into my love of old horror movies, which is, you know, it starts at cycle. And I know you might not deem that as like an old horror movie, but it is. Yeah, it is. Exactly. 64 years ago that film came out, you know, it's not a recent film. And the effects, the effects, but like how that movie was constructed, how it was made, and I kind of brought that into where we're at with our choices now, the choices that we're making, because we're looking at things so differently than how we would have if we were like, right, let's just talk about this movie from ear to be. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't work. You've got to have, you know, it's nice to find out facts. I've turned into a walking dictionary now about the movies that we've covered. And like, I find like if I'm getting tattooed by a creature and he's talking to me about stuff and like we get into like conversations about horror movies and he was the one that brought up. I, as people know, I love me, Fred Quinn, right? And I've got that amazing past made by videos of, of, um, Jed, but, um, there's that scene where he overreacts in the movie and creature was the one who showed it to me and reminded me of it before we even did the, the episode itself. And so there's like these little moments that you feel like you've got to go back and watch. And one of the moments that I had to go back and watch in this was the transformation of Ed. I went back and watched that twice because I was so taken aback by the amount of work that went into that one thing. I mean, again, we're not quite there yet, but like Jerry has a knack of being able to, as a vampire, they turn on a dime, don't they? They're very much one minute, the normal face. And you see maybe a quick progression of a slightly angry face and then a full on bar face. And that's where you got with Jerry when he first got stabbed by Charlie. So Jerry then makes it his mission, doesn't he, to get Amy away from Charlie just to piss Charlie off? Because this is all a game to Jerry. He doesn't give a flying figure about anything, you know. And his minion, I, I think that I've completely gone blank on his name, but I feel like that minion guy, Colin Fowl should have had a sidekick. He should have had a minion. He should have had Billy. Oh yeah, it might have been. He should have had that because there was no banter. There was no, with, with Chris and with Jerry and him, there was like this level of secrecy and everything you tell, they were playing off. They just had to look at each other and it was like, it's a game. Yeah, it was, yeah. You know, I'm gonna see how I can take this. We're out of the game kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And it was cool because he knew he could trust Billy with all of his daytime stuff. That was Billy. Yeah, I'm not sure. But he knew he could trust him with all of his daytime jobs when he was obviously sleeping or he could trust him with anything that needed to be taken care of when there was daylight and all that sort of thing. So he was, he's technically, he's, um, I want to say like his eye goal, wasn't he? Like, he's like, yeah, and if you, you know, Dracula always had Renfield. Yeah, he always had someone there with him. Um, I've got a fact here that the scene with Billy Call creeping up the staircase behind Peter and Charlie. So I'm guessing that it was inspired by the fact was it was inspired by, um, Bud Abbott and Lou and Costello, when it made the front meet Frankenstein. And so I'm guessing that was his name was Billy. I didn't quite catch it, to be honest. I just was wondering why I was, first I was like, why are you there? All right. You're his buddy, you're his friend. That nice, um, nice, no. Whether it's the nightclub, the nightclub scene. Yeah. Oh my good God. Oh my good God. Well, I saw a quick interview, literally before I came up, I was doing a quick YouTube refresher. Um, and, and I found an interview with Amy now, and, uh, someone said to her, do you feel uncomfortable with the age difference there was at the time when you shot that scene where the two of you are being, he's wooing you, he's like, hit them. Well, put it this way. She said, well, I was 27 and he was 41. There really wasn't an issue. I was 27. And the one was like, yes, but you were playing a 16 year old and she was like, yeah, okay, if you look at it that way, but I was 27. That's all she kept saying. I'm saying, I think she said, no, good for you. Because she said, he was nothing but a gentleman. There was nothing on toward him and Roddy made all of us feel like we were equals. Every single one of us on that, you know, uh, lifestyle, Steven, uh, that played Ed and her, they were treated like they were the same level of part as the other two. And she said, for that, I will never have a bad one said about him. And she said that it, there was nothing, there was no insinuation of anything that shouldn't have happened whilst I know that the subject matter did call for it. She said, you know, the intimacy that's supposed to be there for the vampirism. He puts his hand up a skirt and breathing. He's a naughty boy. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's one of those, it's a product of its time. And we go into this quite a lot with people, you know, you're gonna stand there and cause Mary Hale about something that happened in the 80s and you weren't there. You don't understand that this, as we time as life as we know it now, we'll keep, you can never take the principles of now and apply it to then equals brains didn't work like that. You know, um, whilst I know it is a bit icky, yes, icky, but she was 27 as she keeps reminding us. So, you know, that never even crossed my mind because it's a very team. Yeah. Well, the woman was so adamant when she was pushing this, like, uh, agenda about how when she was asking the question, like a comic-on panel and she was asking, like, uh, Amy, are you trying to make something out or nothing there? Yeah. And that's basically what she was saying. She was saying, I don't, I've never put any thought into it. There was nothing. No, no, it just, it's no. And I thought, no, I mean, either because again, it's very fucking team. Yes, he puts his hand up a skirt, but you can see where that hand literally went up and come back down again. Um, as she becomes a little bit loosened up, her hair starts to do things. And it's growing. And, yeah. Why does her hair keep growing? How was it? She has this short bob to then, it's like halfway down her back by the end of it. And ginger, may I add? Why? I don't know. I don't know how that happened. I mean, he whos her anyway, doesn't he hypnotize, and he gets up his house, because that's where we're at with this one. And he then has this intimate, even more intimate than the dancing scene where he bites her. Now, I don't think any relations have taken place. I think it was just that he wanted to get her to the point of where she felt comfortable enough through her, his magical hypnotized powers that all vampires seem to have, um, to bite her to get her to turn. And then you just sort of see her in a dress. She's missing. She's then in this white Marilyn Monroe dress, all of a sudden. So then you go back to the fact that Charlie, Ed's just been turned at that point, hasn't he? Yeah, Ed gets turned right late towards the end. Yeah. Not like the remake, which threw me for a bit, but yeah, right at the end. And that scene alone is fucking hilarious. When they press the cross into his head, and yeah, but I noticed as you saw her skin stuck to it, and like, as he was pulling it off, and I was like, Oh, well, that's a little detail. Whilst he's gross as hell, it's a detail that made me go. Do you know what I really thought that through, you know, it was. It's crazy that the whole scene had me laugh at my ass off. I don't know why it was just the, the focus on Ed, then the cloud, the cloud of smoke, Ed, cloud of smoke, and it just kept going backwards and forwards until this cloud of smoke then is in Ed's face. And oh, I have never wanted to child the die so badly. Then I did Ed, he was the most here the way Charlie Brewster. Oh, I hear this. Here is his name. Their dry ice budget must have been absolutely extortionate on that film. I just have seen a lawn that the amount of money that must have gone into it, because every time you pan to the house at night time, there was rolling fog coming off the house and I was like, Oh God, I mean, there was a comment from that thing. The budget was out. It was nine million in in 1985. I didn't do the conversion on these, but nine million in 1985, and it made 25 million at the box office. So for a first time director or debut by Tom Holland, I don't think that's bad. You know, that is not bad at all. Obviously, the money went on dry ice and special thanks. Money well spent. Yes, definitely money well spent. So with Amy in the house now, Charlie and Peter Vincent have decided to join forces and to eradicate the vampires. These scenes are just, oh, he's brilliant. He's absolutely love me. In the best way, like Carrie Oni, it feels like he's sort of got inspired by that kind of type of movie. If you don't have him in this, it doesn't work. Yeah, I mean, it's the way he runs. Well, like you say, the cowardly lion essence when he runs away from it every time something happens, he just went on and he's off. But it's that bit when he goes into Charlie's house, he goes up the stairs and he sees a ragged old hair popping out of the bed. And he pulls it back and he's got Mrs. Brewster. I'm thinking, do you really think she's got hair like that? Come on now, it's wool. You can see it's wool. And he takes the covers down and obviously it's aired with a stupid wig on a moped or something. And that's when he reads the note that the mum left because she's at work. So we all got off you. The mum's safe for she's okay. And this is where it proceeds to get really bloody weird. And it does get weird because it's like, Ed is so over the top, but in a good way. Yeah, it doesn't, it didn't, because he's a vampire now, it works. Yeah, when he's a normal kid, it's annoying as shit. Yeah. When he first finds out, he like when Peter Vincent first finds out when it comes into his house, there is a little Easter egg for Planet of the H in that because his form, you know, the form that Ronnie McDow had as, there's a few Easter eggs in that. Yeah, he's in the background on a on a little plinth in one of his forms from the one of them. I don't know whether it was Caesars or one of the others, but they were, it was on a bust in the background. And I thought that was a really cool idea because Easter eggs in the 80s weren't a thing because obviously there wasn't a lot in the land of horror that they could go back and, or in general that they could go back and use. So they're not being done. I guess they've been created yet or it gets trucked in the bin. Yeah. So yeah, so you're at the point where we're at evil eds demise, really. And Peter realises that the Ed's too far gone, there's nothing he can do. So he legs it as he as he does with everything out the door, which is quite hilarious. Well, that's right because Peter's Peter's convinced that Charlie that the lore is, if you kill the master, the rest will all go back to normal. Better in mind Peter Vincent is pulling this information out of his arse. Yes. He doesn't know if it's true or not. He's an actor. He's going off to the films he made rather than like any actual information. Exactly. You see, you don't see this happen, but this is where it gets weird. Instead of transforming into a bat like all vampires, no, no, Ed goes into a war, right? Yeah. And you don't see any change as well. You don't know that's what's going to happen. You just hear this growling noise and then he says a little wolf, I was like, oh, is that it? You know, I'm just like, oh, okay. The noise made me feel very uncomfortable. There's two dog-like. Yeah. And obviously at this point, he's tripped over because obviously everybody running away trips over. So he's tripped over. He's got his leg off of one of the cabinets and I didn't like this bit. The dog comes running, the wolf comes running down the hallway to attack him Peter Vincent and he staked the dog. Now, how do we get? Yeah, how we get from the dog to the transition back is... Oh my gosh, it's so it's so weirdly brilliant. It's insane, but it works. And the amount of effort went into this is just the dog. You see the dog trying to pull its way under the stairs to hide. And that bit broke me. I was like, oh no. Oh yeah. Yeah. And like in the end, luckily, it's only on for maybe... Oh, it doesn't last too long. But then you see the foot change from like a sort of a glory core into a foot. And then it's the next bit that got me where you saw the bones, but then you saw the flesh cover the bones and it's solidifies. And obviously it was a wax hand that they've melted and reversed the thing too. But it was just something you don't see that in a transformation. No. You don't see... Not that letter from the details. You see the change, but never the reverse. Yeah. We all congratulate the American Werewolf and London transformation scene is one of the most, you know, one of its kind. First of its kind transformation scenes. You don't think of what the reverse is? Yeah. And I think that, in my opinion, I know I'm probably wrong and I will get corrected, but this for me was the first one that I remember seeing of a reversal, like when you actually see him... Yeah. It's not just like in Larry, in the Wolfman, where you just fade from hairy to normal. It just puts his feet flat on the floor. Yeah, there's none of that. It is properly. Like you get a stage after stage. And when you've seen their hand fill up and turn back into a hand with gnarly fingernails and whatnot, it choses back up. And you see, not a dog soldier's wolf, but he's like that. That's where my brain went straight away. Like that kind of hunchy long... Yeah. Long kind of long kind of... That's what all happened. Oh my god. I love them werewolves. I still picture... I mean, I love the fact that they're very adorable. But it's the size of them, the actual like presence of them. That is... It's beautiful, but terrifying at the same time. And that's what I got with this one, because it felt like he was really big, even though Ed is tiny. Yeah. It felt like he was really big when he was in that form, in the werewolf form, how he went from dog to werewolf, and then to human. And the steak is obviously protruding out of his heart. And you know he's dying. And I loved the fact it wasn't a quick death, which he sounds really sadistic, but not because you got to see more. It wasn't just like a puffing to dust. It wasn't just a turn straight back into human form. It didn't melt. Or anything like that, you saw the pain he was going through transforming back from a wolf into a human. And the amount of work that must have gone into that, the amount like when you look at each stage separately, when it goes from the wolf to wearing that back like mask as well, like, and then that's a whole different thing. And then when he turns back into just Ed, and he's literally holding his hand out as the wolf to Peter. And he's like, "Help me." And I think you hear him say "Help" in his crying. Is it a lot of gurgling crying and all the dog noises, the dog whimpering, "I can't deal with it." But I'm sure you hear him say "Help" in there. And that's why Peter goes to put his hand out. And then when he hears it, he's just like, "There's nothing I can do." And you can see it on his face. He's not going, "Oh, you're going to eat me if I leave my hand there." It's like that. It's like he realizes, "I can't do anything. You've got to go through this yourself, you know." You brought this on yourself. Yeah. I mean, Ed's a dick. You know, the intent of purpose is he was a right and lying little shit. And you can see why, I don't know why anyone would have been friends with him, because I think I would have just kicked him in if that's a man off years ago. Yeah. There's no cheeky Charlie about him. He's just an absolute twat. But the way he went out, oh my god, it was so screaming like, and this is before I read into the, you know, who did the makeup. But the thing, I just kept thinking about going back to the thing. Yeah. And I was like, "Oh." And then I read who the makeup artist was, what he'd worked on, who we worked with. And I was like, "Oh my god, that makes a lot of sense." Yes. That makes a lot of sense. And then this is where Peter runs in to tell Charlie, you know, or to find Charlie in Jerry's house again. And this is where we get the Billy coming up, the stairs, and the whole temple of doom. The other one, you know, where the melts. What's the other one called? Not Temple of Doom, Riz Lost Hour? Riz Lost Hour? Riz, yeah. Riz, because it's not Last Crusade was Sean Connery. Yeah. Raiders. You know that scene in Raiders where the guy melts, because he looks into the Ark of the Covenant. This was very reminiscent of that to me. The way that they melted him. Because he had a totally different death, because he wasn't, he was a familiar, he wasn't a vampire. Yeah, they sort of staked him and it worked. So I was like, "Okay." Right. They're like totally different in this land. But that's the whole, I feel like that's the whole point of the movie, because Peter Vincent makes up lore as he goes along. So to be honest, anything could, you don't, you don't generally know what the real lore is. Yeah. Because it's been so made up. And I don't know, I just, I don't feel like there's any set lore for this movie that you, yeah, you could be staked in quite the same ways of vampires. Yeah. I mean, Jerry keeps taking the piss, doesn't he, out of Peter? Because he keeps saying you don't have any faith when he's working across that him. Yeah. You know, this means nothing. You have no faith. And I think the minute he starts having faith in it, that's when things start going his way. Yeah. Like how he thinks it should play out. And the way that they did that scene with the minion getting, he gets staked and he stands there all of a sudden, doesn't he? Like they're knocking down the stairs at first and they think, "Oh, that's him, he's done." And then he creeps up the stairs and they turn around and they stake him, like just out of sheer, like panic. It was just a panic stab. And then all of a sudden, the guy literally just wax melts into bones and he's standing there and it's like, yeah, it's in you and it's all just dropping off him. And to me, those kind of scenes though, the amount of money that must have cost the amount of wax to make those scenes work and the amount of hairdryers they must have had going to get that scene to work, you know, the heat lamps, whatever. And then his skull just sort of ups down the stairs and all these bones disintegrating. They all just lying in piles around the floor and I just thought, "You're gone." Yeah, I would never have thought that kind of death for a familiar, but I agree. We really don't know. This is the final showdown between Charlie and Jerry. Well, he's just trying to rescue Amy Hasney and Amy turns into the phone. Honestly, let her fucking go. Amy turns into the movie poster. The iconic movie poster of Fright Night is a picture of Amy in the clouds. It's that massive grin. I'm not really sure what kind of vampire, is that what all new vampires look like? Or is it just like in stages? Because if we go on off the law again, if Jerry gets shitcanned, she'll go back to normal. Is she going through this level of change into what would then become her actual form? Because that fucking jawline, I mean, she couldn't keep that for the rest of her life or the rest of eternity? Well, they actually got the inspiration off of a shark. He wanted a shark mouth on it. And this is where a girl, and I was like, okay, right? That's right. Okay, that's what we've got. But yeah, it made sense. And it didn't make sense. But when you see the makeup and you say shark, I'm like, oh, right, yep, I'll get that. That image is so iconic. It is. And it's such a peculiar choice. But again, you don't really question it. Because we're in the eardies. Why would we? This hasn't been done before. This is all new. Yeah. So you've seen that, but then you have the showdown with with Charlie and Jerry and Peter. And yeah, I mean, he birthed a beautiful stained glass window. And I'm like, what'd you do that for, Jerry? That was a really nice window. And then he proceeds to get angry because he just seems familiar, lying in many parties gone. And yeah, they have that fight, don't they? And then he finds out that Peter finally does have faith. Yeah. And yeah, he is, he's demise, he's imminent. Yeah. Just happens. Yeah. And what was it? It was a table leg. It was something like that. Yeah, it was either a panistice or a table leg or something. He went out a hell of a lot better than one Carl Farrell did. I'll tell you that for now. Oh God. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, the only things I have to say, the extra stuff I have to say about this first film was that there was a fifth movie made, because there's been four movies in total that have been made. Fifth movie was Tom Holland making a direct sequel to this one, where Charlie had a family. And Evil Ed still, he made it through and he lived in the abandoned house next door, and Evil Ed's whole idea was to resurrect Jerry and find the way of bringing Jerry back. So that is the sequel that everybody wants, the Tom Holland sequel. That's right. Because the Tommy Lee Wallace sequel is what we know, which was, it's a very controversial sequel because he has been quoted as saying on numerous occasions, Tommy Wallace, that the Menendez brothers, yes, that's Menendez brothers, panned his film. They tanked the original film that he had set, and this is what we got after they've had their five minutes on it. And then they went and did what they did. And not only did they kill the film, they killed their parents as well. So Tommy Lee Wallace has got like a hate on for that film due to the Menendez brothers, because they had something to do with the making of the film. Yeah, it's insane. If you look into that a bit more, I didn't get the chance to look into that as much as I wanted to. But it's insane. There's so much coming out about them too at the minute because, yeah, because there's a lot of it. Yes, they did. The their actions after the event speaks volumes to the people who I believe that they are. Yeah. But there is a lot coming out in relation to his father, his father's behavior, or some of it that they said in court true. The problem is never going to know the truth. Yeah. Regardless of what happens to them too, you will never ever know the full truth and the extent of what happened there now. The Menendez case is incredibly interesting. But if you want a lighter hearted side of it, watch Cable Guy. Because throughout the Hall of Cable Guy, there is a TV program that runs that is exactly, it's the Menendez brothers put it. It's it's been still a play in both of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cable Guy is one of my guilty pleasures. There is a tenuous link between William Ragsdale who played Charlie and Michael J. Fox. And the tenuous link is that William Ragsdale, in addition to do Rocky Dennis for the film Mask, Rocky Dennis was played by Eric Stoltz. Yeah. And Stoltz was the original Martin McFly. Yeah. He got canned and sacked and Michael J. Fox took over from him. And it was one of those ones where, you know, you sit in there and you go, Jesus Christ, that's a tenuous link, but it's not that tenuous and it works really well. But it's quite fluid. Yeah. And it was one of those things when they were explaining it. I think it was one of Minti's videos I saw that on. Well, of course, Minti Man. Yeah. And then if you're struggling for fangs, what are Minti? Yeah. He was, you know, he was going on and on about it. But I was quite taken aback by it because I thought it really worked like that whole film in itself doesn't get enough love in my opinion. Yeah. And for the 2011, it's not a shit show. It is a different film with different eyes with a different inspiration. But with the worst dialogue I have ever heard in my life. I'm sorry, but let's just take Colin Farrell's little monologue that he goes on outside of Charlie's house when he realizes that when he's getting the beer off him. Oh, fuck me. What were they thinking? It is that if you actually listen to what he's saying, he's making no goddamn sense whatsoever. The worst thing that they did for Colin Farrell in this movie is give him an American accent. Let him keep his Irish accent. What does it matter? It's a fucking vampire. He tried to fight against the whole predator side of it. He said it made it to sexual predator. It didn't come off as animal predator. It came off as sexual predator. He didn't like it. He fought and fought against it. But he didn't win. It was terrible. The dialogue throughout the whole movie, in fact, was appalling. How they thought it was OK for half the shit that was said in it. The only person who managed to pull it off was fucking Tennant. I don't know what I was going to say. What it was about Tennant, but he managed to pull off shit dialogue possibly because Tennant's character is very different. The Pete of Vincent that you get in this one is very different to the Pete of Vincent that you get. We mentioned that earlier. This Pete of Vincent is a cross between Chrissy and David Brent. Now, I loved this Pete of Vincent, but not for different reasons to the original one. The original and work. That's the staple. That's the guy that is Pete of Vincent. This, I understand for the purposes of either in Las Vegas in this film. So it makes perfect sense that he's a big shitty, terrible show magician that's all ego or because everybody around him hates him because he's an absolute artist. I love that. I love the fact that even his girlfriend, Ginger hates him. Everybody hates him. Either way, he speaks to a man. It's fucking terrible. But yeah, that's the whole point you're supposed to think that he's this egotistical prick, but really, he's a little nerd. That's all he is. The dress up to play this sexy magician guy, you know, and when you see him, his wig comes off, his beard comes off, he wipes his tattoos off, he's taking his piercings off, and I'm like, oh, he's a poser, you know, that's where we are with it. But the time this comes out, Chris Angel is fucking huge. Oh, what? You see Chris Angel 2010, when I first went to Vegas for the very, very first time with my friend Julie, we saw Chris Angel live and I'm convinced and I still stand by this. He is a twin. That's how he does all of his shows. He is a twin and you don't know about the other twin. There's something there. I can't. He's got a look-alike or a double of some kind. That's how he pulls off a lot of his shows. I just think there's a bit of a twat, me sound like. He is a knob of the highest order. There is no two ways about it. You see everything about him, like mind free came out and I went, like after seeing him, I went and got mind free on DVD. It cost me a fortune because they didn't release it and you had to have it imported. And you see what kind of person he really is on mind free. And that really annoyed me. He, like some of the stunts he does are jackass stunts, guys does magicians kind of stunts. Yeah. And he got legus money for this bitch. He did. He's had residencies at the, we saw him at the, the pyramid one. I've gone blank on what it's called. We saw him at that place and then I know he's had residency at Planet Hollywood. He's had residency as some of the other big ones. So he's still going around hotel to hotel, bangin' out these films. And I know he does a lot of street magic as well now. He's gone into the David Blaine realms down on Fremont Street and stuff. So he gives me the ick now with with my today eyes. But in 2010, I just, I was kind of like wanted to go and watch a magician. Yeah. It's just one of those things, you know. I know you understand that. And it took us a while to get to the point where everyone was like, yeah, Chris Angel is a dick. Yeah. And what they were going for. And this is one. Oh, massively. And I also got David Brent vibes, especially when he's sitting in the chair and he's got his leg cocked up. And I was like, oh, are you, you are so brunch right now? Because it just, it's when David puts his leg on the table and leans in like that. And I was trying to act cool, but you really are a nerd kind of thing. You know, you're real. And that work tenant played that so well for me. And I mean, I don't, I think, I wouldn't say he carried the film because I'm on the auction, did his first share. Imogen put on my nose. And she always does. I don't know why. I think it might have been when she did the remake of Black Christmas that just solidified the awfulness. I mean, I'm sure she's a very, very nice lady and a very good actress. I just had no opinion on it. I didn't care. Like the Amy that we got in the original. Yeah. Yes. She was, she did your tits in quite a bit, which was something intriguing about that. You know, I grew and everything. And this one, I just, I got the shock of my life when I saw Franco in it and not the Frankel, but David Frankel or Dave Frankel. I actually have a lot of time for Dave Frankel. Yeah, I love him in grown-ups. No, not grown-ups. I liked him in, is it day shift, night shift? Night shift, yeah. What's that one with Seth Rogen and Rose, what's our face, Rose Byrne? Bad neighbors. Yeah. I love bad neighbors. I think he's absolutely brilliant in that. He's nothing like his brother. Let's just get that fucking straight. And also he's, he's first, I think his first ever film was super bad. Oh god. Joanna Hill, shout, Adam. The cast of this is very of the time. Yeah. It is an of the time cast. Yeah, very of the time. But when I saw McLuhven come on screen, I went, Christopher Mintz-Plass, I think his name isn't it? Where is he? He was at a con. He did the con last year. But for the last, not really. I think he just, he was in, he did kick us too. And I think that killed him. It killed his career a little bit. Really? That's nice. That seemed very completely with great stuff movie. But yeah, it was, it was just one of those things where you look at the acts Tony Killett. Yeah. Oh, by Tony Kondini, rung on my own. Oh, you are awful, Muriel. It's Connie and Carla for God's sis. She's, she's the mum from Sixth Census who you don't know who we're talking about, hereditary. She's a long line of horror and she plays, she does comedy well. She does, you know, the woman has no, it just feels like, if the project's right for her, she does it because she has done British television before. Yep. Just, you know, off the cuff, like, just because we have, for our non-English listeners, we have a channel called ITV and they do some fucking top-notch dramas, like, really good dramas. And Tony Killett has been in quite a few of them. And it's, it just, it shocks, it doesn't shock us. It's just, that's, that's the colour, but she's an actor. Yeah. I mean, I'm pretty sure she's Australian. She could be Kiwi, but I think she's Australian. Oh, she's, I think we take her as a colour Brit. She calls off a banger of an accent. She, she can do English. Yeah. My bother. She's not, we're not talking your Kiwi English accent, like, Carl Urban. You beat me to it. I was about to say it. But yeah, we're not talking Carl Urban here, you know, we are talking, which gets me because I think that the Kiwi accent is really hard to emulate if you are a Brit, because you can't quite get the, the words, right? Whereas the, the English accent, it, you know, the UK accent is, depending on dialects, but the standard non, non real accent one, which is London, there's just nothing interesting about my accent whatsoever. It's very flat, you know, people from your neck, in the words, you have inflections, you have like words you make up and, you know, unless you go deep into London for your cockney stuff, the rest of us are just very plain and boring. So it's not really a difficult accent to emulate, but for some, some people just can't pull it off. And, but Tony does, and Tony does American like she, she woke up and she was born it, you know, so Tony Collette, for me, she can do no wrong. She's a comedian, she is straight, she's horror, she does everything. It's an actor. She is a pure, there's only a handful of people who I look at and go, you're not doing this for a paycheck, you're doing this because you're an actor. Which begs the question why she did this film. I, I can only think that she signed on thinking, looking at the cast list going, bloody hell, David Tennant, bloody hell, Colin Farrell, bloody hell, Anthony Upton, you know, and she thought to herself, do you know what? That is fantastic. And the mum gets more of a part in this film. So she's more, she's a character in it. She wasn't any original. She's not in, but you can't put Tony Collette in the side part and say being at a few scenes. Yeah. She got, you know, it's Tony Collette. We will do hereditary one day because that is a fucking fun. I, if I didn't love her then, that movie just fucking cemented it. I have never, it's, it takes a lot for me not to talk during a movie and talk, especially if I'm watching it with Anne, because we diagnose it as we're going to lie or dissected, sorry. And we, that we literally pull it apart as we're watching it. We didn't say a goddamn word to each of the two hereditary. We couldn't. Because we were like, what the fuck are we going to miss? I didn't realize the power of Ari Aster until that movie. He's hit and missed with me, but for many reasons, but we will go into that when we hear that movie. Oh, absolutely. And yeah, the, the thing about this film, the bones of the movie are exactly the same. Charlie, Peter, Jerry, Amy, you know, they're all there. Yeah. But the tone of it is so different. I love the fact that David managed to pull off as Peter, he manages to pull off that whole thing with his whole museum of bullshit he buys on eBay. So half of it probably isn't real, but he stays up late at night and he buys all this crap like silver bullets and do you get to the pasture in the night? Yes. Who wrote the line? The dialogue is absolutely atrocious. It's, it's horseshit. It really is. And but the, some of the rules have actually flipped as well. So you're in the original, Charlie is like hell bent on stalking this poor guy. If he just left him alone, you know, none of what would have happened. Yeah. But hey, on this one, on the, on the remake, you've got Ed, who was the, the chit, who was the stalker? Yeah. To a 2011 degree where he's got video cameras. Yeah. And I've been watching this one. Yeah. Where you don't see like the only bit of sort of like no reflection you see is where Malcolm went down at Malcolm Roddy opens the, the makeup case, the cigarette case, and he can see no reflection of Jerry in the background. Whereas with this, Ed stalks Jerry, and there's no, no reflection, but you see the door opening a close in and all that sort of. I did like that touch. Yeah. I mean, that was good. Nice. But then we got to the bit where he turns Ed in the swimming pool. And it's just like, well, purpose of that was what I mean. Why did I understand because he was chasing him, but he didn't turn the other kid, he killed him. So there was a jewel, there was Ed in this other kid, and who was part of a, a tree or with, um, with Charlie in, because it looks like Charlie's like kind of growing up. And he's now not gonna run with a cool kid. So we're actually dickheads. One of them was, um, so you got Dave Franco as one, the other one was the kid from Modern Family. If any modern family fans are out there, he was the kid who, he was the Dolby one, and he looked no fucking different or acted no different in this one. It's like, you just took that kid and put him in here and he played the same part. Um, what I did love though, was the aesthetic of this movie. Yeah, the color palette, especially in the nighttime scenes, that you can make something that is meant to be in the dark with no light. And I can still make out a fence, a door. It was beautifully put together the, the color palette that they used. That was the only one thing I could take away positively. And some of the makeup as well. No, no, just some of it. Do you know what the only CGI was the end scene? No bullshit. That has to be because of that scene where he chases them in the car, throws the motorbike through the window. And then he does that weird contortionist thing. Now that may have been a contortionist guy doing that and they submit it out to make it look, but it looked absolutely atrocious. And everything about how Colin Farrell turned. Um, obviously you, this is where you get your Easter egg because a guy pulls up in a car that they're crashing to, they get out, they say, if it's all right. Oh, it's Chris random. It's surprise. It's the original Jerry. Yeah. And it's so hungry. He is. And he's like, get back in that car. And the makeup artist on here is Howard Berger. Mm hmm. And Greg, and Greg Nicotero. And Burgess, no, it's all the, well, who's the other guy? Your guy, Robert Kurtzman, no. Robert left his point. He'd left, right. Okay. So he was, he was, he was in the same group somewhat with these guys. Uh huh. Um, but Burgess work is what you're mainly known for is the Chronicle of Narnia films, um, which probably explains his choices in this to that because it's very heavy CGI than it is more makeup. And I feel like if Greg did this on his own, ah, don't freak you. Not me. Don't break it. Don't break your stuff. And yeah, I think if Greg did this on his own, totally different. Yeah. Um, I think the leaked CGI just completely messed with this movie. Um, in so many ways, it was unnecessary. I mean, they proved that it can be done practically with the original, you know, uh, the, the transformations of all the vampires when they go full on vampire disgusting, they're not, they're not vampires. They are, they are on par with how bad the CGI was in, I am legend for the runners and the zombies or all those. I talk about that. But they live in that universe of level of terrible CGI in my book. Um, so really, the story is exactly the same. It's just a different setting. So there's no putting us down all over again. No, no, it is. It is exactly the same. The only different bit is really is the end scene for me. Like the bit where Ed comes in, he's killed Ginger. Ed comes in, uh, disguised as a parcel delivery guy, UPS guy. And he's you're a fucking weedy little kids. He's trying to, um, kill Charlie for some strange reason. It doesn't make any sense because suddenly knows if I'm sorry, hey, Charlie, it's like, eh, okay. You're like, honey was a bit of a dictarium, like, you need to see what he said to him, but was it just a vacation to go and kill him? No, but then the killing scene was so bizarre, like a flail and a morning star and a bloody axe and nothing was killed. You know, I mean, it was just like, this is all of him, that character, if you could pick one character that was completely unnecessary in this one, Amy was unnecessary other than the one purpose was to piss off Charlie in the original. I would say this Ed was, there's no purpose for him in this film at all. Um, does it, there's a line that I wrote down that really set my teeth on edge? This is how bad the dialogue is in this film. Let's kill something. Oh, let's get, let's, let's, let's go and kill it. Let's just go and kill something. Let's go and kill some, or who writes like that? Well, apparently they did. I mean, the, the thing about this movie is, right? It had some royalty on the, um, the composing, the music composing. Yeah, you know, who composed the music for this? I did not, I didn't look into that. Ramen Dzha, now Ramen Dzha, if any of you know that name, he is responsible for doing a lot of computer game movie, like music, which he did Warcraft, you know, when they convert to movies. He has, has actually done computer games like Gears of War as well before. He's done Iron Man, he's done a lot of Marvel movies, but the most, the piece of music that he's created that is one of the most iconic TV things ever is Game of Thrones. Yeah, this guy was responsible for creating Game of Thrones theme tune, and then he did this dog sheep piece of film. I mean, he did this before. Lessons could have been learned. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things, isn't it? You know, you can look at it either way. He was sitting there waiting for something, an opportunity to be able to get it. He could have just, it's a paycheck. So, you know, we were talking about Tony Kiles? Stepping songs, yeah, I suppose, but, um, Tom Holland, there was no nod to Tom Holland through this film whatsoever except for Jerry, and that was more of a nod towards Chris than it was to, to Tom. So a lot of people said that they, they weren't happy with the way that Tom was, um, Chris, the guy who wrote this one or, or what, he directed it the way that he disrespected Tom in this film. So, yeah, so a lot of people say that, um, it's, it, the only reason he got, um, screenplay credit or original screenplay by Tom Holland or whatever it was was because of the amount of crap that kicked off with people going, you can't remake this film. You need to, if you're going to do it, you've got to do it properly. And so they just, like, wedged it in at the end, um, in the credits. No, it's, it's a shit, it's a shit thing to do because you are right, they, they give Jerry his props with the cameo, also Colin Farrell eating the apples was again, a nod to Jerry. That's, that's Chris, these are Chris's decisions, what he made on their movies. That's not Tom. Yeah. And if you're seeing that this is, you know, Tom Rotten directed that move, that original movie. That's, oh, I don't know why just, I don't, I feel icky about that. I don't like that. No, that, that end scene as well, where they went into the nest. I wrote this movie by the way. I'm just going to check that, but go on. Where they went into the nest. And I think David Tennant, Mint, Minty's opinion was that David Tennant played this whole movie as Peter Vincent, as the 10th doctor. Now, I don't watch Doctor Who, I haven't watched Doctor Who in a very long time. The last time I watched it, it was when Tennant was with Rose when he first turned from Chris Eccleston into Tennant. So we're talking 2005, 2006. My God, that was a long time ago. So I haven't watched Doctor Who in that long. I'm not interested in Matt Smith. I'm not interested in any of it. It just, I don't know. It just doesn't appeal to me anymore. I'm sure it's very good, but it's, I'm just not there. Matt Smith will always be my doctor. David will always be mine because I feel like David bought a level to it that we haven't seen prior to that because Eccleston played it so straight. David played it very, very funny. So they think that he bought elements of the 10th doctor and took it to play Peter Vincent because that's what he was famous for at the time in America. That's all people knew him for, you know, Doctor Who. So he, they felt that there was a choice that was made to keep him in that lane so that he, people knew who he was, but they still made him a lovable dick. So at the end, he gets his redemption arc when he helps Charlie and he survives and all that sort of thing. And they become, they become besties, but there's that bit, isn't there, where this is the bit that I have the main issue with. All of the vampires are coming up out of the floor and out of the walls and David Tenn is just sitting in his slither of sunlight so they can't get him. And then Charlie just decides to set himself on fire. Like there's no problem. And then he wrestles with him. Of course I had decision making right there. And he's on fire for a long fucking time. And he's like, you see through the goggles. So they do this POV shot, which is absolutely dogshit. And then the only reason they did a POV shot was clearly because they needed to make this whole thing CGI, that whole shot CGI with the flames, the terrible, terrible flames. And Colin Farrell going into his full vampire self, which again, horrible, like one of those zombies out of fucking, I am legend. I did actually, yeah. It is, it was a waste, an absolute waste of an opportunity. And if you're trying to show showcase, if you're trying to showcase CGI from a period, yes, okay, this is very 2011, all the CGI is very 2011. Yeah, but it is not going to have the same longevity that the original front light of eight bypass. But your, your, what your base in this on is the original, have some fucking respect for it. And not actually use the shitty CGI. They, I just, I don't get why you would pick that over. You had a fucking, you had Greg Nicotero. Mm hmm. And those at that point, in 2011, it had such a backlog of, of like movies that they've done, the pair of them together, you know, as, as I think it was, you're in KMB, wasn't it? That was what it was called. Yeah. Yeah, I've got it written down. Yeah. Do you want to know who the writer of this? I am, I am so disappointed. The writer of this film was Marty Noxen. Now, Marty Noxen might not be a familiar name to you, but the work that she's done will be very, very familiar. Marty Noxen is responsible for directing, writing, and executive producer from seasons one to five, also season six and seven in some parts of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'm going to let that sit for you for a second. Also, Angel, she's a writer on Angel. Also, Grey's Anatomy. Also, Mad Men. Also, Glee. Okay. Sharp objects. Right. Now, let's say the Glee thing makes perfect sense because Glee was on that around that time, wasn't it? 2009 is, I think 2011. Yes. So it would have hit 2011. Now, the writing for Glee was so sickly sweet and disgusting. Now, we know if anybody has ever heard, to listen to the podcast by True Crime and Cocktails, they do a whole episode on the Glee Curse. Now, the Glee Curse is something that does exist if you believe in that sort of thing. And I do suggest you go and listen to that podcast, True Crime and Cocktails. They do a deep dive on the Glee Curse as it is. But the whole thing about Glee was that he was so saccharine, so sickly sweet, so written. Sweet. Now, at the time when you watch it, you probably don't notice it. But if you watch it with today's eyes, it's hard watch. So that completely makes sense for the time that if that dialogue has been written, she's been used to writing TV episodes. She brought Mad Men, man. She brought Mad Men. So private practice. Glee is anatomy. Private practice is a spin-off of guys, isn't it? So it's like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It makes perfect sense. But Grace is too it's, I think it's because it's a hospital setting that she can't, it doesn't sit like this. I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I can't really, I'm trying to help her out here, but I can't. I am so glad her credit outweigh what she did on here, because what if she wrote this single handedly, which I believe she did? Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Oh, no. Oh, no. These two films in their own rights are two totally different films with the same premise, the same subject matter, the same guidelines, shall we say? The 2011 one was a product of its time, which if you are a 2000s baby, you may well have absolutely adored this film. And this, I don't, I like the first time I watched it. I don't hate this film. I initially imagine, I, imagination, I do think, like I say, tenant and the arching saved this film. If it wasn't for those two, this film would have just gone in the trash pile. But in its, you know, as a remake of an original, it is trash. The choice that were made made it trash. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. The original doesn't have a very thick, deep storyline by any stretch, the imagination, but it works. Yeah, it does. The practicality of things in it, the makeup in it, the, it is just, it's a cat and mouse game. It's not there's no great depth to it. You've just got iconic characters like Peter Vincent, who, who really kind of bring it all together. I remember when I watched this, I watched this one first with when me and Anne first got together. Oh, my God, that was no kind of being because me and Anne have been together since 2007. So whenever it came out, yes, we've been together a very, very long time. But we did watch it together. And I remember thinking, that was okay. So when it shocked me, when I came around to watching it again, I haven't watched it since. It's not, I have gone back to the original Fright Night probably more times than I have this one. One because I really, I feel like I want it. It's so iconic. A lot of people have a lot of love for original Fright Night. Yeah. And I wanted to make sure that I didn't miss anything. So I have gone back over that with a fine tooth comb many times. But with this one, I never, I never went back to it. When I, I remember thinking to myself, beautiful, this is stunning. The the color palettes they have used he is beautiful. And then they started talking. And I was like, what, what was that? What did you just say? It's very in debt for heartfelt, isn't it? Colin, what are you? It just, I felt like the decline so dirty that that monologue alone, and I mentioned it earlier, but that monologue alone, go back and listen to it. Yeah, he's not like I say, he was horrible. He was not happy at the way he was written. He wasn't happy about the choices they made in the way that they wanted Jerry to be played, how far removed Jerry was from the original Jerry in this one. He said he didn't like it because it literally portrayed him as more of a sexual predator than an actual predator, like a vampire as a predator, you know, hunt, you know, chase. Yeah, hunt, prayer. You are so right when you were seeing earlier about Jerry in the original plan a game. Yeah, this is just just remember how long he's been on this earth. He needs to entertain himself in some way and tormenting the kids of the, of his neck, like who live next door to him, who've taken a fascination. It's just torment. Yeah. If he, if Charlie hadn't looked out the window, I highly doubt Jerry would have actually paid any fucking attention to him because he did. Jerry's like, okay, then you want to fucking play? That's fucking clear up there. And I don't think I will ever revisit the 2011 one ever again. But I do know that if you wanted to buy a prop from that movie, they are available on the prop store. You can buy Colin Farrell's torso, Colin Farrell's torso for this measly sum of $495 on the prop store. If you wanted it, just you can buy that. So, um, how about it? Yeah. Oh, I am all out of freight. Now I am, I am frightfully done. I'm done. Frightfully done. Very much done. Oh, gosh, I need a shower after that one. And next week, people's next week is we're going remake? No, we're essentially 80s, the original. The original, the return of the living dead, the return. I have I seen this one? I don't know. Which one is this one again? This is Taman. This is trash. This is, this is, you need a, this is, I love this one. This is the most pampest, craziest part of the living dead world, you know, of the, of the dead world that there is, this one is the most insane. And I think that it is, everything that you love about the 80s is. This isn't, this isn't the bunker one, is it? Don't think, no, no, no, that one, no, this one, this is the campus tips one. Campus tips one. Okay. That's the title of next week's episode. Return of the living dead, campus tips, campus tips. See why, you'll see why. I'm excited, um, anything to do with living dead, return of, dawn of, day of, I am, night of, I am there, I am very much looking forward. Is that probably going to turn around halfway through? I'm going to actually see this before. Your message me, I went, what the hell did you just make me watch? Yeah, you're going to feel like you're on a bad LSD trip or something like that, but it's are a good one. We're talking realms of like, you know, in toxic was big. And like, you know, and, and, and, and that stuff that we're, we're in that ballpark. It's in that timeframe and creepy, you know, um, swamp thing and all that sort of stuff. When that all the fuck, yeah, Adrian Baba and all that sort of thing. So we were in that realm of like, in that era of when all those were coming out. So this is, it's for me, I, I love it. It's awful in many, many places, but it has a place in my heart for just sheer absurdity, this film. And if it has a place in your heart, it has a place on this podcast. Fuck me, we did basket kiss. Do you know what I mean? Oh, and we just need to quickly say, thank you very, very much to everybody that watched last week's episode. Wow. Never, we've never had an episode blow up as quick as that in the cut with, I mean, what we are, day six, since it when I went live Monday, we're recording this on Saturday and you will see it on Monday. Um, as of now, I think it's almost up to 300 views, just on YouTube alone. That's without listeners. And, and that for us in one week is a record breaker. So thank you to everybody that tuned in for that one because wow, and if you haven't, listen to it, you might like it, you might hate it, but we appreciate, you know, the effort anyway. So thank you very much. Yeah, you can also go back and listen to our whole back catalog if you want. I mean, if you, if you inclined or if you bought or anything, it's on YouTube, if you want to look at our faces, if you don't, which you can, I mean, in the early, in the early episodes, you could tell I was literally just jumping on straight after work. Like, I did not give a shit about how I looked. Um, but now I kind of take, I kind of take a little bit of care, a little bit of care and attention. Um, I added a lipstick. There you go. Um, but yeah, whole back catalog, we're on, um, Spotify, we're on iTunes. We're anywhere, you find a podcast, we're there. We're fucking audible. We've got some, I think there's now as well. We've got some bangers of past episodes. Um, the blob for one, because we mentioned it every week. Probably one of my favorites. One of my other favorites, Pet Semetry. Yeah, Pet Semetry. I love that episode. Um, sleepwear camp. We did our, we did our interview with Neil Marshall's on there. Um, our first horror movies. So many, so many, we've done Universal Monsters. I just felt a bit sick when I was thinking about my first horror film. We've done, uh, the Biggins, we've done some bakers, we've done Michael, we've done Jason, we've done Pennywise, we've done, he, we've done so many. So, oh my God. Okay. So the quiz, there was a kill count question. Yeah. Dan, I got it wrong. I got it. I was like, Oh gosh, this is quite aimed at this. This is definitely, this is aimed at monsters. And it was who had the high kill count. And I can't, it was Freddy, Jason, or Michael. And I went, why can't I remember this? Why, why can't I remember this? And I'm trying to think because Claude had such a, he was high up for such a long time. And then somebody came in and took over and then another person quickly came in and took over it. I couldn't remember the fucking order of who took over first. Well, we haven't done Freddy yet. So, I definitely knew it wasn't a fun. Sorry to disappoint you guys, but that's going to be a long time coming out of the two. I think it's Jason that rained out of him and Michael. Are you sure? Because I have that written down and I'm done. Yeah. Jason was top of the shop. I got it wrong. Have they fact checked? That would be my biggest question. I'm not accusing blame of not putting effort in, but I'm accusing Jessica. All right, Jess. Come on. You're all a decks of knowledge. I suppose it's all dependent on where you look for the source of stuff. Because we do research, don't we? And you can find 15 stories and every one of them will have a slightly different. Yeah, a little twist to it, a little twist in it. And we've gotten kill count numbers different. Yep, it's true. So yeah, there was a kill count question and I was like, I don't know what this is. I was like, we haven't done kill counts for ages. Brilliant. One day I will go through our episodes and find anyone we've mentioned of a kill count because we will have a kill count versus off. The Claude will win. Just going to put that out there. Single handedly one film. Well, one film, yeah. One film single handedly. Can't remember the number anymore because we changed it every time. Funny something, I think. Yeah. It was 141 next week. It's 138. 374,000. He did it. It was him. Yeah. It was Claude. Well, you can find us every Monday on YouTube at eight o'clock. But if you don't find us on YouTube, you can catch us on audio. Like I say, and from any way that you podcast from, they all go up on a Tuesday, the links for the leading marvellous nerdy up north, monsters up north, are we're done? Done. Oh, pretty purple nails this week. Someone's had a meal done. Yeah, very pretty. 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