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Robert Kennedy Jr talked about current politics - Midday Mobile - Tuesday 7-23-24
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First of all, a personal friend of mine, so it's good to see him on that front. And so many times over the last six months, people said, "Hey, where's Robert? Where's Robert's commentary on this?" And it is Robert Kennedy Jr. joining us here on the day mobile. Of course, you know him from Kennedy for Alabama. Also know him as a man. I'd like to point out, as we get into this, it's not just theorizing. He's a political theorist, but he's a man that won a primary, was second just to Doug Jones in the Senate side and the special, and the man that I'm proud of, is served as country, decided to go back twice in the U.S. Navy to serve his country. Robert Kennedy Jr. Welcome back. Hey, Sean, how you doing today? I'm good. I'm good. And I know congratulations are in order for your NAPI award as the best talk show host here in the mobile Alabama area. Congratulations on that. Thank you. And the number of entries mom put in was insane. Mom was just up all night, putting it for me to go in. So yeah, we'll take it however we can get it. There you go. There's... Before we... And of course, I want to talk about the story from Sunday on to now with President Biden saying he's suspending his campaign, not running, and giving his endorsement to Vice President Kamala Harris. I won't get into that, but first, having you in here, just as a citizen, but a person that served in the military, looking at what happened back there in Pennsylvania with the assassination attempt on Trump. I don't know if y'all heard earlier. Secret Service Director Cheadle has stepped down from the job. Your thoughts? Well, first of all, Mike endolences to the young man who lost his life in the firefighter I don't like that. In the dad, yeah. Top of the story. Yeah. And we are definitely thankful that the former president's injuries were not more severe. Right. Than what they were. And then the third thing, which is the gold star in the kudos that we have to get before we get into this, is number one, the counter sniper, who was able to neutralize that threat with a single shot. And they're wrapping up with the agents who actually rushed the president and protected him with their own body. All good things, all good Americans and folks that we should not lose sight of as we start to unpill the onion here. Now, when it comes to yesterday's congressional hearing, I was fortunate enough to be able to watch, or fortunate, or unfortunate enough to have-- Yeah, depending on what parts of it, yes, I was there with you. To watch that for hours. And the director was in a challenging situation, right? And what I was thinking, there was one of the questioners that captured it when he compared that hearing to the hearing with some of the Ivy League presidents that had come in. And in that particular situation, how you comport yourself is ultimately going to determine what happened afterwards. And what was presented was well beyond anything that was acceptable. So just from that performance alone, before you even talk about what actually happened from an assassination perspective, her days were numbered. Yeah. And they are representative of the American people, they are kind of your boss. Yeah. I mean, even though it comes through the executive branch, they are kind of your boss when those folks are asking you questions. Sure. And you and I have talked about this on a number of different issues. The whole congressional hearing format, when each person gets five minutes and some people are playing to the cameras, using profanity and trying to put a person's head on a spike, you're not really getting anything substantive. But let's talk about what you and I know is just two rational people and what would have made that entire hearing completely different. So this is what we know because we all saw it. There was an elevated position that wasn't covered. Right? Yes. What's wrong with coming in and saying there was an elevated position that wasn't covered. The second thing is somebody made a decision to send the former president onto that stage when they knew they had a suspicious person. Yeah. Whether it was suspicious, whether it was a threat notwithstanding, there was somebody that you lost sight of and somebody made the decision to still send the president onto that stage. Yeah. Right? And then the third thing, and I highlight this not when the citizens saw the gunman on the roof, but when the local police department, SWAT team saw the person on the roof, somehow either they didn't engage him or they didn't get the information to the counter sniper team to engage them. So just imagine if the director had come in right off the bat and said, "Hey, it's only been nine days, but we know these three things. We're going to need to take a little bit more time. We're going to need to vet everything." And then ultimately everybody who was responsible will be held accountable up to and including termination. And when all that's wrapped up, I will tend to my resignation. It would have been a... The questions would have been short yesterday if she would have done that. Well, then, and even to the larger question about what happens afterwards, and it's like, and by the way, we took these actions for the Republican Convention. We beefed up here. We brought some people in there. We did something else here. This is a plan going forward, not being able to get into tactics and things like that. But it changes the whole... It literally deflates all of the incoming. And I don't know who was briefing her. My recommendation would be that they hire Kennedy Strategic Communications, everything that's in counseling, shameless plug, but what it was, they were simply in a way for her to recover from her performance yesterday. But I was worried about the whole... When this first came up, they talked about there needs to be a change at the top, which I agree. I just wanted to make sure, and I believe it's true, there has to be somebody at that upper level of secret service that can... I don't want somebody to go train on the job. I want somebody to step in. As she steps down, steps right in, that knows the job. And I pray that that's... Go on. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to say... Oh, well, she's... She's gone. It's gotta be. Even though there's not vice presidents, but that level, middle management or whatever, secret service against step in that role and make sure, because what a time that we can't have any weakness beyond what we saw from secret service. Sure. But here's the one area in some of the commentary that's been coming out, and I think you and I probably texted about this shortly after the assassination attempt. But folks are trying to say that there was a DEI problem here. Yeah. And that actually kind of cracked me up. Okay. So this idea... Yes. Okay. Because there's a rational part of it, which is called a Your Ability to Execute on a job, set of job requirements. There's a physical component to it, which is the rational part of does a person have the stature to be able to adequately protect their protectee? And Sullivanese, like I told you, is a person tall enough to be able to have their body that becomes the human sacrifice to protect the protective person? Sure. Are they tall enough to protect them? Sure. And it suggests that the director, based upon her credentials coming into the role, wasn't qualified, and was somehow a DEI hire, come on, man, it's just not a rational thing for her. I wonder if she could have get frolled out that she and the first lady or friends. Sure. I wonder if there's nepotism, not nepotism, but you know. Oh, I'm shocked. And just a little... Yeah, I know shocking. The nepotism... It depends on who you know, and your friends with so- Exactly. Exactly. But when we talk about what our background was, 27 years as a Secret Service agent, up to and including Assistant Director Torr in Protective Services, a few years in civilian industry, get your dollars off. Yeah, she went to... And she went to Pepsi Free or whatever it was. Sure. So I'm not questioning her credentials going into the role. But regardless of your race, sex, ethnicity, sexual preference, et cetera, et cetera, sometimes people just screw up. And if you're the person who is responsible in that particular situation, then ultimately, you're the individual who's held accountable and doesn't have anything to do with DEI. And so because this goes to this bigger question, I mean, I've kind of been on the same track as you, that this is a... I'm going to use a term with respect to so many men and women in Secret Service are probably doing awesome jobs because they have to do right every time. I don't know. It's a zero fail job, right? Mm-hmm. They have to do. Uh, somebody screwed up. Maybe somebody, maybe multiple people screwed up. Like you just went through, I mean, you got to go out there and say, "Screwed up." Absolutely. We failed. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so the idea is that this was all planned out. I don't see it. With the number of people involved, you know, there's some planned out thing. So I think the time we spend talking about that, we get away from the fact that somebody or some bodies did not do their job right and should lose their jobs. Well, here's what's interesting because I think the application goes into this broader conversation that we have about law enforcement and how law enforcement interacts with the community, particularly when something goes wrong, right? So when you talk about accountability, accountability can exist along a spectrum, right? And some instances, it may require counseling and other instances, it may require retraining and still other instances that may require termination. And if a crime has been committed, it may require incarceration, right? It's an entire spectrum. So taking the time to understand, when you start talking about the 60 days to get a report as you refer to it, taking time to determine the appropriate level of accountability, that's reasonable, right? But to be able to sit there nine days after the incident happened and not have an answer in terms of what was wrong and how is it that you're able to communicate a level of confidence that we've corrected that going forward, you got to be doing that immediately, right? And that's the part that I think it's significant. Yeah, you're not making widgets here, no, you're protecting lives. And the one thing that I was happy to see about as much as it pained me to watch the hearing was at the end of the day, you have the Speaker of the House and you have the Minority Leader in unison saying that we need to investigate this going forward. Yeah, I mean, you could tell by partisan, but I'm listening to words yesterday coming from AOC and I went, she's on the same page as a lot of people that are on the other side of the aisle that told you something. All right, coming back. You're listening to Midday Mobile with Sean Sullivan on FM Talk 1065, right? 1221 FM Talk 1065, Midday Mobile, Robert Kennedy Jr, our guest this hour wants to talk about Robert Kennedy's strategic communications, Kennedy for Alabama Radio, do you remember? Of course, a man that's not just theorizing as we get into the politics out there, a man that has been successful in its run campaigns, and he knows what he's talking about here, so I got to address this. So President Biden addressing, we the people tonight at seven as, and you think it was odd, by the way, Sunday, the way you go on Twitter or X can just say you're suspending your campaign. It's the next one coming back like, oh yeah, and also we endorse a couple of hairs. Hey, did somebody forget to put that in the first tweet? Well, the first one was wonky, right? So doing it through a statement versus doing it with what I would do like a White House like thing and then link that to the Twitter, you know, I mean, Twitter is a good way to get it down, but you have like, here's the official thing and here's the link to see what President Biden said. I think doing the statement as a follow on action to addressing the nation probably would have been a little bit cleaner way to do it. The endorsement, I mean, it was going to happen. I mean, he had to endorse or there's no answer buts about it. Right. It was just interesting that it was like wonky. I was wondering if somebody there just forgot to like put that in the first tweet because it was later on. And also we endorse Vice President Harris for the speaking of what so so Vice President Harris now and we'll get into some of the questions here, but the odds on endorsed favorite here in the 2024 cycle. Yes. She'll be the nominee. Does she have it? And we'll get questions better. Does she have a better chance to win than Biden? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. So one of the things I know when you and I first started texting about this, I referenced some years ago, remember the whole Governor Ivy blackface incident? So we, you and I were ping ponging back and forth on air at that time. And what I was saying was she was not going to have a problem because she maintained the support of her caucus. Right. So it's so if her caucus had turned on her on the blackface face incident, then there may have been a problem. So when you take that and you apply it here, there are actually two components. The first was Joe Biden in the support of his caucus. So if he could have kept that intact, then possibly he could have survived it. But what ended up happening, it was the donor class. When the donor class stopped contributing to the campaign and he lost the support of his caucus, those two things were related. The support of the caucus was a function of people thinking they were going to lose their position when they were competitive races, which now in turn caused their donors not to win a contribute. So it ultimately all comes back to the flow of money into the industry. And once the money stopped flowing, again, days were numbered, those are my next three questions. Because I look at it this way and say, okay, money is a mother's milk of politics. And it's interesting to see how the polling, how they had really actually the Biden inner circle had not done the polling they needed to do because they probably didn't want to see the answers or they did the national, but not breakdown of the battleground states out there. And then when that information started coming in from elsewhere and they said, hey, y'all are going to have to spend money you thought you had for a battleground state. You're going to have to have to sure up something that you thought like a Colorado or something like that that was going to be this blue state. And so there's no money coming in and we're going to spend more money than we ever thought to just hold on to what we thought were sure things. So let's frame it a little bit in terms of the battleground states. So there are seven traditional battleground states. It's the blue wall up north, which is Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, then on the kind of southeast North Carolina and Georgia, and then out West Arizona and Nevada. And so if you compared 2016 when President Trump won to 2020 when President Biden won, for the most part it was it was flips and numbers of those battleground states. So basically what you were saying was the 220 million that they had in the war chest to focus on those seven states, now they're worried about New Hampshire, and now they're worried about the entire state of Nevada, which they're worried about Virginia, which are states they'd won in both cycles. And so that is what set up the situation to think that it wasn't tenable anymore. And when we start talking about people beyond the grassroots, the people with the real money. When those people started pulling back, that's when it ended up being problematic. What about in the endorsing side here too, it jumped back to money being the endorsing side. So yeah, early on, you know, on Sunday you had people coming out and endorsing Harris, but then some of the bigger players here Pelosi yesterday did endorse. She taught my money Pelosi did endorse, but it's been it was it was slower. And I don't know if we heard from Schumer. I don't have it. I have it. Schumer as of yesterday when I ended the show had not endorsed. I don't know where that is the minority leader in the house. I came Jeffrey. It's also I don't think I did make today as of the time that I last checked. Okay. And then president Obama. There we go. The Obama's because the letter came out not even came out from the Obama's the couple. Sure. So and even I don't have it in front of me, but a message almost like, well, it wasn't saying open convention, but it was saying it wasn't committing to Harris. So we talk about the donor class and the big money there, but there's this political donor class that the kingmakers inside the Democrat party, we just named a whole bunch of them. Mm hmm. Yeah, but it's only three at this point, right? But I mean, some big is and big is doesn't matter. So a couple of things have happened since that announcement was, first of all, the spigot has turned on in terms of political fundraising. So I think it last check within the last 48 hours, Vice President Harris has raised over $100 million. This is going to ask, do you think she can fundraise at a level that needed to fill in those states? We just talked about it. Sure. So it's $100 million. Okay. And then on the mobilization front, there are, you know, calls that are going on right now where you have, you know, 35, 40,000 people on a call talking about supporting Vice President Harris. That wasn't happening before with Joe Biden. Right. And I often say that this is akin to when President Trump was doing the rallies and all those folks are showing up and folks are discounting it because it's not something you can pull, those two things happening within 48 hours of this announcement actually puts a lot of wind in Vice President Harris's sales. Well, okay. So that the money coming in, which is like we said, mother's milk here, but then turning those states, not just with Mike, but the states we just talked about, the New Hampshire's or something like that, does, does the Vice President Harris brand have better chance to turn those states and then President Biden do it? It shores them up instantly. It does really. It takes us all the way back to the two, she, for, because she, I mean, for a long time, we talked about those polls. She polled even worse than President Biden, but she was going to, right? So no matter how you slice it, the Vice President is always in the President's shadow. And so it was interesting. I was listening to, to Jeff Poor and the chair of the Republican party on the Sime, prior to coming in here, and they were talking about how Vice President Harris was a weekly or something, something to that effort, right? And so as we go back through our memory banks of the Vice Presidents that we remember, right? Who was the Vice President that we thought was super strong? They were saying it about George H.W. Walker Bush. They were talking about Dan Quell, they were talking about Joe Biden, even when he was Vice President. Nobody was saying that he was strong. You probably may be. To argue that Cheney was running things. But that's, Cheney was running things. Okay. Coming right back. This is Midday Mobile with Sean Sullivan on FMTalk 1065. By 1235, FMTalk 10065, Midday Mobile on this Tuesday, 3430106 from the text line and the phone line by friend Robert Kennedy Jr. In studio here, a lot of, well, we'll get back to some of these texts. This one here, about Harris says she can't win in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. Your thoughts? Sure. Sure. She can. You know, Pennsylvania, and I'm going to kind of jump into my next question down the line here, Pennsylvania, does she win it by getting Shapiro as her VP? So this is interesting, right? The whole VP list. Yeah. So let's talk about my dream here. Okay. This is never going to happen. My dream would have been mansion on the ticket. The mansion sits the closest to where I sit politically, right? Yeah. Strong on national security, fiscally responsible, socially compassionate to use his words, not mine. But once you put him aside, the next person's actually Mark Kelly. Right. Okay. But the Mark Kelly thing, and he seems, and I got a friend who's crazy about this, and she talked about Mark Kelly, but you've got to, he would leave the Senate, and then you would lose, a Democrat's going to get appointed to replace him, sure. But then what would happen is they have to run again in two years. In two years, you see what I'm saying? That's the, that's the one on this, right? But so the reason why I like Mark Kelly is military, combat experience, astronaut. Yeah. I mean, who could argue with being an astronaut? That's pretty strong. And then a strong personal story with his wife having been the victim of this assassination attempt. Yeah. Particularly in this time that we're in right now. And when you foil him against JD Vance, which totally cracks me up, the handed up being the selection, the person that Trump selected, he's much younger. He has 18 months experience in the Senate, respectful of his service as well. Just like, just like, just like, like President Obama did, just about 18 months in the Senate before he went. Okay. Just checking. No, absolutely. Okay. But I'm just saying that the foil is good, and the fact it balances her out. So when you pick up any of the folks that are being mentioned right now, Shapiro out of Pennsylvania, who's out in North Carolina, Cooper out in North Carolina, Bashir, I can talk to you. That's what I was wondering. Yeah. Bashir. I also like Michigan. What's her name? Whitmer. Whitmer. I like, she pulled herself out, but I like her as well. But any of those start to round out the ticket in a way that I think really starts to shore up the, the traditional blue wall. Okay. Let's talk about not just the cults of personality that we run off in politics now, but issues. And one of the things that got Biden supporter of the years was his, his, with labor unions and antitrust and all that. And he has been, I'd say he has been different than even his boss, you know, back in the day of President Obama, I mean, President Obama was not near is where Biden is for labor unions and you put in, you know, NLRB and all that. I mean, you have a very different brand. You look at Vice President Harris, when she was in California, she was cozied up to Silicon Valley, you know, which, where the money is and all that, like to advance was. Yeah. I'm saying it's the same thing. Right? If they're going to come after advance for that. So if, if you're going to, if it's this brand, if you're saying, Hey, it's this brand, the people that were with Biden, I'm going to get them and then get this other group and put it together, I'm going to come in and say, weren't you a big money tech person here? Vice President Harris. Won't matter. It won't matter. And the reason why it doesn't, and we talk about this all the time, for those of us who are offering political commentary, we're always picking out when people are not internally consistent. Oh, yeah. There's some of those coming. Now it doesn't matter. It's like the whole slate is essentially clean because now you've got a 15 week spread. That's all it is. And so the reason why support was being lost in the blue wall stage was because of a lack of confidence in President Biden, because of the gingerly way he's kind of been presenting himself, couple with what we talked about with the money lost, that's gone now. So that automatically comes back to the traditional democratic support. Yep. But in that, is that being peeled away? Because if I'm looking at the party of the working man, okay, now the Republicans, I think in this lineup, absolutely have that advantage. I think they have that advantage locked up in the Sunbelt States, which is why Texas and Florida aren't going to be in play. Right. George is going to be interesting because George is one of the ones that I think the Republicans could potentially go back off. Yeah. I don't think it's going to happen. I do. But I'm just saying, right? You know how confident I was in 2020 when I was telling you that I thought that President Trump was going to lose, and he was going to lose baseball and COVID basically, just people going in the opposite direction, didn't have a lot of confidence in President Biden going into this, but I'm telling you, Saturday changed everything. Now, I'm not at the point right now where I'm willing to say that I think 100% vice president Harris is going to win, but it's going to be a whole heck of a lot more competitive. Okay. And we'll come back to those predictions here. As I just trying to analyze, even though you're in the shadows of vice president, the back story, I mean, she ran for the office, right? And a lot of these things had come up. I've played the clip here. I mean, I played the other day. I can play it. We don't have time. But during the back and forth between Tulsi Gabbard and Kamala Harris, right, about what she did is the AG in California and thinking about where the Democrat party is there. And then you go back and just look at this way. So you have you have Trump, you know, with Trump over with the fan Jones and Jared Kushner that did that. What was it called? The first step or whatever the prison reform push. Yeah. Right. And so you have in this case, I'm looking at it and then you have the legacy of Kamala Harris with the no cash bail, the suppressing of the info in the death penalty case, the holding inmates longer so they can work the wildfire lines and all those things. Once again, I went back to the end, you disagree, you agree in the Sun Belt where the working man vote is. Sure. Versus elsewhere. But what about the, you know, police reform because I can make it now and say, look, here's a guy that moved in here, work with Van Jones to do this. And now we have Kamala Harris when she was the AG of California was not on that. She's top cop, man. I got you. All right. So this is where you're getting yourself in trouble, Sean. So that's why I'm so glad that you invited me back here so I can get you. Come on. Get me. You're putting to an argument that essentially is a demographic argument. So one of the things they talked about with President Biden was the crime bill and the impact that the crime bill had, particularly within the African American community, right, in terms of locking up black men. And then Vice President Harris, when she was AG, was essentially an instrument of that policy continuing to lock up black men. And so the argument was that within the black male demographic, there was not as much support for her going into the 20, 24 election cycle, which is why she ended up petering out. So that's essentially the argument that Jay California, I don't know if it was just Mike Ben. I think she locked up a lot of people. I'm just simple, simplifying. Well, but I'm just being accurate. I think there are people with all different kinds of ways you got locked up there. So you're not simultaneously going to be able to argue that she was weak on crime in that legacy of defund the police argument that conservatives like to typically bring up and then say she locked a bunch of people. Yeah. So which one is it? It doesn't matter. Right? That's the reason why I'm saying all that stuff that happened before doesn't matter because at the end of the day, the choice is now binary, President Trump or Vice President Harris, and people are not going to anchor to that. What they're going to do? Any kind of policies? Sure. They're only going to anchor to who it is they want to win now. And so the support is going to come back to Vice President Harris, even if some people did not necessarily approve of her time as AG. And that's the reason why you're saying that the issues don't matter. I'm saying it's not going to matter in terms of her support. You got 15 weeks. It's a sprint now. It shouldn't matter if there was maybe a different Democrat that would run. Maybe have a, you know, the convention coming up, what, three weeks from now or something like that, that should this be an open convention and let more people have, because the argument will be, hey, all these people showed up and voted for Biden. Right. And now they're going to be told it's Harris. Now I will argue, at least it's on the same ticket, right? Yeah, nobody cares. But nobody cares that there's not an open convention. I'm sorry. Nobody cares except Republicans. And the reason why the GOP cares, and this is actually a legitimate part of the feedback from the GOP side, is to say, hey, wait a minute. You hammered the GOP, Democrats hammered the GOP, saying that we were not being democratic in the practices that we had in the democracy, that's what it's going to happen. Right. The end of democracy. Yeah. That's the argument. Just checking. But then you have 14 million votes that basically get discarded, right? So that's the argument. But nobody within the Democratic caucus is making that argument because nobody cares. Because that's yesterday's newspaper, everything now is about winning in November. So the coalescing needs to happen as fast as possible. And I think we just saw a news article come through that said Schumer and Jeffrey, the endorsed vice president Biden. So the sooner this thing gets wrapped up, the sooner we're into the competitive cycle for the next 15 weeks. Nothing from the Obama's yet though. Doesn't matter. This is my friend's answer to everything today. It doesn't matter. Coming back. I think it does matter. We'll continue our conversation next. It's midday mobile with Sean Sullivan on FM talk one oh six five right to right back to a tab. Just one more segment here with Robert Kennedy Jr. And let me ask this one because it's actually one of my questions, but I'm looking at the text line and this encompasses a lot of questions out there and we'll say, all right, moving forward in your opinion, that stuff passes prolong. We're not. Okay. We're moving forward. This a huge strength for Donald Trump is the border, right? This is as a brand. This is a huge weakness for vice president Harris. I mean, glaring Achilles heel. I mean, her tenure as the borders are with the, I mean, even though you can say my orchas, but I mean, she's a border shark. That's right. And the whole how many times you've been the border where, you know, going to the border is this the thing she actually, you know, going to the border now this goes from being the border are to being, to being a presidential nominee that polling shows you heard it with what Biden's rhetoric was to shifted someone border to say, okay, this is, this is important. It seems like this is a slam dunk for Trump. How's Harris going to make any case here that she has anything serious to say about the border? Well, see, it's, it's all strategy, right? So do you remember triangulation, yeah, with Bill Clinton back in the day? This is similar to what we were talking about with the director of this of the secret service, which she has to do is say the border is a mess and just own it as a mess. And that historically we have not done enough in order to address the issues on the border. And then go back to the bipartisan legislation that had gotten through the Senate that ended up getting blocked when it went to the House, because President Trump decided that he wanted the issue more than he wanted the solution, but back when you said stuff doesn't matter, that if somebody goes in and says, well, there is this bipartisan legislation, which did have some, some other parts of it that were not great, but it was movement to say, we're not going to make this bad choice on this bill when we can do it correctly when Trump selected. Do you think that's going to resonate? Those people you said, the other things don't matter. That doesn't matter to them either. The thing they see is here's somebody who's been weak on the border, but I've failed at that job at the border, and here's somebody who says the right thing's about securing the border. But John, I'm agreeing with you. Right. Remember, I'm starting with the premise that the border's a mess, no if stands and butts about it, and that the current administration has to own their part in the mess, but elections are about the future. Right? How am I to believe that you're going to, what you're elected now and now we're going to do something about it. But it's who you're trying to appeal to, right? So you can. Undecided voters. The problem that existed before was nobody was acknowledging that the border was a mess. And we can all see that the border was a mess. So she has to change. Well, there was a whole half of Americans and the border was a mess. Absolutely. Yeah. But if you're going to go forward, you've got to acknowledge the problem that you had in the past. And so if she doesn't acknowledge that, then, oh, Trump can continue to hit her in the head with it every single day, all she's trying to do is to counter it. So it doesn't end up being the overall issue that that undecided voter ends up making a decision based on. I don't know how she can. I do not know triangulation, quadrangles, polygons and everything. I don't know how she can, you know, it's going to be hard detach from the fact that it is a failure. And she was on the watch as the borders are and it is, it is her responsibility. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that part. But she still has, she can't not address the issue. No. She can't not acknowledge that there are ways to do it better tomorrow than we're done yesterday. Instead, it means she's going to win on the issue, but she can't just let it lie, just like leaving Afghanistan. Yeah. Right. So the fact that we're out of Afghanistan is an accomplishment. It didn't happen under Trump's watch happened in the Biden's watch. But how did we disaster Afghanistan was an unmitigated disaster, right? You got to own that. Let's see, Fred asking, could you ask Robert, if he thinks the electoral college system is destroying our political system? No, I don't. And the reason why is if you don't have the electoral college, the larger states with the huge urban centers end up having an outsized influence on what's happening nationally. So states like Alabama don't have the ability to punch above their weight. That's right. Is it one of the things, the list, there's several, actually more than several that Robert and I agree on. And that's one of them. It's probably because we're both Alabama guys now from big city. Let's see the, that her, Joshua says vice president Harris cannot make a sentence make sense. Yeah. She's fine. I mean, all they're doing is they're taking all the clips from when she bobbled and they're stringing those clips together, just like they're talking about the times that she laughed and she's stringing those together. The cackle. That's fine. What about debate? Do you see a debate? I don't think Trump's going to, I think Trump's going to agree to one. Well, you know what they, Biden didn't think he would agree to one either when they rolled that out. That was what happened. They rolled the album, debate, Jack, any time, any place or whatever and figuring that Trump might say, well, you know, with CNN and the mics being cut off, Trump says, yeah, come on. I got you. Let's do it. Hey, the way to do it is similar to when, when, uh, representative burn and I shout out to, uh, to, uh, Briley Byrne and I debated on your show, right? We just came in here. There were no rules. There was no prep turned on the radio and it was like, go, that's the way the debate should happen. So hopefully, hopefully they'll have the opportunity to debate. One of the things I think is interesting is you know that, um, with Biden bailing out, President Trump is now the oldest nominee in history. Yeah. You know, I don't, don't do a morning Joe 180 where it was the age with the super strength for Biden and the second Biden's out there, like, yeah, Trump is the old, come on with that. You can't. No, I'm not making the argument that Trump can't do it because of his age. I'm just simply saying that all the arguments that applied to Biden now apply to him. It was my thing, but they're completely different dudes when it comes to how they dealt with their age. I mean, at 78, sure, when you're 81, I don't know, but I did 78 was not where Trump is. Trump is a lot more with it. But father time's undefeated. Everyone loses speed on their fast. You know what? But he was, you know, and Trump would be in because he's limited for one more term where Biden goes in and says he's going to be this transitional candidate, she did it to the next thing. And then the power, he's like, well, I know what I said, but you know, this whole transition myself into another four years is what he's going to transition to. But still strategically, this is better than if he had not run at all. And the reason why I say that is because if he said he, let's say this happened for Iowa, right, he wouldn't have been able to do anything this year. It's always the thought of reelection that allows you to push forward and start to get things done. Sure. But then why did a single person believe in when it said I'm a transitional candidate and I'm here just a bridge and, you know, Sean, how much do you believe with politicians down zero? Okay. And that's not a democratic thing or a Republican thing. So people change their mind based upon what it is that they feel at the times and their best interest. Ben, I asked you on the text or saying on the text line, the issues don't matter in derogatory. Hell, his vote doesn't matter even matter. The guy he voted for was replaced and it's just, oh, well about it. Well, the thing is the person whose votes got replaced have to be the ones who have the issue. So we were talking theoretically about an open primary, you know, as a political science guy, I would love to see an open primary, right? And then I would love for the candidates like the Joe Manchin's of the world to have more of an opportunity that they have today because everything from the center has moved to the polls. So I would actually love that. But as a person offering political commentary, it's simply not realistic. What happens is the money starts to flow, which is what happened on Sunday as soon as Joe Biden made his decision. And then Vice President Harris starts trying to coalesce support among the delegates. It's not us as individual voters who determine who the nominee is. We determine who's going to go to the convention to vote for the nominee that we support. Sure. So unless we're the ones with the blowback on what's happening right now, that's the reason why. And you're saying that's not existed. Democrats are not going back on that. There's not going to be blowback on, uh, you know, well, I want, I want an open convention. It's, it's all, it's everybody in for, for Harris because, because Biden pulled back. Now I was having this conversation with, um, my best friend from growing up, actually lives in Atlanta and we were talking about, let's say Biden did not decide on his own that he didn't want to do it. And then people went to the convention and folks at the convention decided they weren't going to support him. That's a completely different scenario and that supports your textures argument. Then he would have been pushed out and that would have been completely unacceptable. But the fact that he bowed out on his own now opens those delegates up to make a different choice. And that's what they're doing. All right. And by the way, Florida man in Texas, yeah, there's a lot of things, uh, you talk about that border legislation. That was one that also, uh, in that said allowing 5,000 people in a day and then capping it. And so I mean that the legislation was not good legislation saying that the Republicans didn't vote it through. Hold on a sec. Was it better than it is today? Yeah. But is it a reason to get signed on for something that now becomes a law? Is it better than it is today? It was better than it was today. And that's the point now. It'll be better when Trump selected and so, and we have a, uh, you have the house and maybe the Senate. Wait a minute. Didn't y'all have that before during the first two years of his term? So why didn't he fix it then? Great question. I've asked that. Well, a borders a mess. We'll leave it with that. All right. Um, let's see. Okay. Yeah. And this one here you have so, uh, Navy chief, uh, Texas in and Navy chief in Foley said ask a Robert, how the Dems can say they are defending democracy when they are annoying Kamala. Well, they're not anointing her, right? It's the, um, delegates at the DNC who were committed to the Biden Harris team that are deciding that they want to go with her. That's not an anointing. If they had picked somebody else, that would be an anointing. All right. Uh, and yeah, we could close the ton of text. We couldn't get to them all. But Maxima said, Hey, John, I'm enjoying the debate between you and Robert. He's the epitome of a peaceful debate. We need more of that. And that's right. And shout out to Navy chief. Thank you for all you guys do. We know chief's to run the Navy. There you go. It's inside Navy talk. Yes. Robert, we'll see you again soon. Come back and see me. You good. All right. Now we're number two of mid day. We'll be on the way. Yeah.