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Hey, I'm Alan Light, and on this episode of SoundUp, twin brothers Phil and Tim Hanseroff join us to discuss their new album, Vera, and their ongoing musical relationship with Randy Carlisle. That's how you know these guys. You know these guys because they're the ones who always work with Randy. Plus, we have music news on Bruce Springsteen, M&M, and our new music picks of the week. Mark Goodman is on vacation, so producer Roger Colletti is here to keep the conversation moving. Yep, hello. And hey, shout out to anybody who was trapped in an airport for the last two days. I know I was. I know I heard from other friends who were… it was not the most fun way to spend a bunch of hours of your life staring at a screen behind a gate in a random airport, so maybe you caught up on some podcast listening? I don't know what you did, but we're here thinking of you. Before we get into all of that today, we do have a few concert reviews from some of our SoundUp Pod Squad members, including this one from our friend Janet. That's right. Janet says, "Hey guys, since you recently did a great interview with Mike Campbell, I thought I'd share my review of the Detroit stop of his tour. When I first saw my Campbell in the Dirty Knobs a couple years ago, I was blown away by the fact that I was seeing a rock legend from Tom Petty and the heartbreakers up close in such an intimate venue. Still, I had the same feeling during their show in a small theater at the Motor City Casino. It was doubled because fellow heartbreaker Steve Ferroni was also there on drums. He hadn't been with the band the last time I saw them, and it added to the excitement. During the band introduction segment of the show, Steve came to the front of the stage and spoke fondly of his history with Mike. Seeing the two of them play together was really special, and Steve's glowing smile was simply contagious. As much as I love Tom Petty and the heartbreakers, I'm also very much a fan of Mike's music with the Dirty Knobs. Hearing some of the songs from the new album Live gave me even more appreciation for them. They played a great mix of songs from their three albums, plus some stuff from the Petty Catalog. Based on the previous show I saw, I expected a couple Tom Petty songs. This time we got eight. In addition to hits like even the Losers and I Need to Know, they really dug deep into the catalog and played some deeper cuts like rockers, all or nothing, and fault lines. It's a given that I loved watching Mike and Steve. Lance Morrison on bass and Chris Holt on guitar and keys are a blast to watch too, and the four of them together make one hell of a band. The show was just over two hours long, and it was an incredible night Janet. Janet, we know, is a huge heartbreakers fan, so I will take her recommendation. I will take her response, put some value to that. She knows what she's talking about. Absolutely, and as Janet said, go back listen to our interview with Mike Campbell, which was really a lot of fun, and check it out and check out all the other interviews we have up there from past episodes that we've done recently. Some really great stuff. Yeah, we talked to some really fun folks in the last few weeks, including Mike Campbell. So do check that out. Also, we got an audio message from our friend Melissa with some exciting sting news. Hey, Mark Allen and Roger. It's your friend Melissa here in Louisville, Kentucky. And as you can probably guess, I am calling to say that I'm doing cartwheels. Well, old person cartwheels anyway, that sting has been added to the bourbon and beyond lineup in place of Neil Young on Thursday. It is shaping up to be another awesome weekend of bourbon and music. And I can't wait. I hope a bunch of the pod squad is going to come and say hello. Yeah, so bourbon and beyond definitely kind of staking out territory as one of these more grown up more sort of more straight ahead rock festivals. And it's going to be that'll be interesting to see. I mean, you've got there's the hard rock metal festival circuit. There's the big sort of national headline Lollapalooza Bonera, which has gotten so dance and pop oriented. But there have been some of these bourbon and beyond bottle rock out in California that are definitely skewing toward a more adult sort of an audience. And if they can make those successful and sustainable and sort of build a circuit around that, you know, that's sort of a win for everybody. True, and sting seems like a good fit for that type of festival. You know, these festivals where there there's this, you know, bourbon and beyond, you know, you're sipping different Bourbons and bottle rock, you're tasting different wines. It has this certain, I guess, sophistication to it. And I think they look for artists, they're pairing the artists nicely with that concept. Yeah, look, all of these festivals got much more sort of experience based. Right. But these that are, you know, going for something a little more sophisticated and a little more, you know, grown up, there's certainly, you know, it's not the biggest part of the pop marketplace. Right. But, you know, theoretically, they're people with cash. And if they can find the right way to put those together, and they seem to be doing that meantime, we have no further information on this, the cancellation from Neil Young of the back half of this crazy horse tour, whether that's any illness or anybody within the band, or whether it's just, it's Neil, he might have woken up one day and said, I don't want to do this anymore. He has certainly done that on tours before. So I haven't heard anything about what that's about. Maybe you never will. And maybe we never will. We got one more pod squad or Evan caught the opener of the Sammy Hagar best of both worlds tour. And he sent this review in. That's right. Evan writes, I was able to catch the opening night of Sammy Hagar's best of all worlds tour in West Palm Beach on Saturday. I have to say that it was a really good show. Loverboy opened the show and played for about 45 minutes or so. Mike Reno still has the voice, even though they were definitely tuning down for him, he was still able to belt out all the hits. Sammy came on a little after eight. I'll say that when people are complaining about two presidential candidates ages, you see someone like Sammy Hagar at 76 and still bringing a ton of energy every night. Nobody questions his age. The show included a ton of Van Halen songs, both Sammy and Dave era, including a point where Sammy said that Michael was the second best singer in Van Halen. And then Michael proceeded to sing ain't talking about love. That's pretty cool. When Joe Sachery anti played Satch Boogie, I was kind of hoping that Jason Bonham would then be able to do wait for you. But that didn't happen. Of the 21 songs, only five were Sammy Solo songs, and there was kind of a medley at the end with a Montrose and chicken foot song. The only time people sat during the show was when they pulled out a deeper track to Seventh Seal. The show ended with When It's Love and No Encore. Aside from maybe taking out the Seventh Seal and adding in one or two Sammy Solo songs, I thought it was a really fun night and a great show. I also may have put in something a little more upbeat than When It's Love for the Closer, but that's just me. I'm including some pictures, but they're not the greatest because my seats weren't really the best. Evan. You know, I've been seeing a lot of footage on Instagram and social media of the opener of this Sammy Hagar tour. And it looks really cool. They have a really cool stage. And what can you say? You've got Joe Sachery anti on guitar. You've got Jason Bonham on drums. You've got Michael Anthony. So you have two halves of a version or an era of Van Halen. And I think it's really cool that they're doing some Dave songs. They're doing the big Sammy song hits. Let's not forget, you know, the Sammy era of Van Halen was financially their most successful, their biggest hits and all of that. And say what you want. I'm not going to pretend I'm going to say I'm a big, biggest Sammy Hagar fan out there. But it is impressive after a while that the guy constantly is surrounded by top notch players. I mean, obviously people want to play and like to play with this guy because, you know, you've heard what what this lineup is, but that's sort of what it always is when he goes out there is great musicians who could take whatever gig they want. And obviously like being out working with this guy. Right. And he does really well on the road. Still, his voice still sounds fantastic. And what can you say? You know, when you have a band like that, and he's got this catalog of solo material, Van Halen material, Montrose material. So he can chicken foot. So he can pull from all of these different eras of his career. And I'm sure the alcohol at his concerts is quite good too. The Sammy Hagar eras tour, but no. Everyone has their own version of the era's door now. So yes, Sammy Hagar's dude has made some money. That's a kilo money adds up to something. He has not, as far as we know, crossed the threshold of being declared a billionaire, but new report in Forbes with the news that the ultimate working class hero, Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen, is now worth 1.1 billion with a B dollars, which Forbes says is a quote conservative estimate of his worth. Now, it's not really a surprise because half of that comes from the deal he did. I can't believe it was three years ago in 2021, when he sold his entire music catalog to Sony for an estimated 500 to 550 million dollars. The biggest transaction ever for a single artist's body of work. And I think the biggest transaction for anybody until this Queen, I don't think even any of the bands did a bigger deal because this was an all in, all his recordings, all his publishing, everything. So that gets you halfway to that billion just on that piece. And poll star reports that last year, 2023, Springsteen sold more than 1.6 million concert tickets generating 380 million dollars in revenue, not like that all goes in his pocket. But that's a, you know, a big chunk. And that's just from that part of that tour. So the, the touring money adds up, the born in the USA money adds up the Springsteen on Broadway money adds up. But he, you know, the guy who started his that Springsteen on Broadway show saying, I never worked in Honest Day in my life. It's a nice way to make a living. It's not a bad way to go. Not a bad way to go. Took him a lot longer than Taylor Swift. She got their age 34. He is 75. Do you think they meet up all of like the musician billionaires and go out to dinner one night, which would be an odd group, because it would be Bruce, Taylor, Kanye, Jay Z. Jay Z, Kanye, true. Yeah, I don't think Taylor and Kanye are having that. They're either ends of the table. I don't think it is, it is quite a less. So, and then one more thing we got, we got some news. We talked last week about the Eminem, Eminem's new album, The Death of Slim Shady Kouda Garaz. It did enter the charts, the Billboard charts at number one is 11th, number one album, 281,000 sold. First week, the biggest week for any hip hop album this year, 2024. Eminem now tied with Bruce Springsteen, Kanye West, and Barbara Streisand. That's a dinner to go to, or song. That's a collaboration. That is the fifth most number one albums. Those are tied ahead of them. Drake with 13, Taylor Swift with 14, and Jay Z also tied with 14, and The Beatles with 19, number one albums. So, you know, Eminem sustaining this career into another generation. I mean, I've said this before, talk about Taylor and talk about sort of the unprecedented success 18 years in or whatever it is that she's just bigger and bigger and bigger, bigger touring, all this stuff, and how nobody's gone that long continuing to grow. But Eminem, not too far off, one of the ones who are not too far off of that. I mean, I'm always, I love this stat. He was the biggest selling artist of the first decade, 2000 to 2010, biggest selling artist in the world. And then 2010 to 2020, he was either the second or third, and I think the biggest selling male artist in the world. That's to do that across a 20 year span is, you know, that's pretty astounding. Wonder what his net worth is. Yeah, I mean, he's not because he's never been the touring act that those others are. And he's never done, you know, big, I guess, the up-and-smoke tour, a couple of things, but it's not the sustained years long playing stadiums, the generating the money that the tailors and the bruises and those guys make. But oddly, according to celebrity net worth, Sammy Hagar, who we spoke of, is worth about $150 million, which is lower than I thought it was going to be. Yeah, yeah. And Eminem is worth $250 million. And like you said, that is without touring, without extensive touring, without, you know, a lot of other things that would drive that money. That's a lot of mom spaghetti. It's a lot of mom spaghetti. And it's, and he has, he continues to have a really healthy, you know, his catalog remains really, really popular last year when Spotify put out their top catalog streamers for the year. I think he was the only for albums older than 20 years. I'm pretty sure he was the only artist with two in the top 10. And he had the biggest, I think it was Eminem show was barely 20. It was like 2003. It was, you know, 20 years, I think exactly was the biggest catalog streamer of the year. So there remains interest. There remains a lot of activity around this guy. That's if he ever did sell the catalog, and I don't know that at this age, I would advocate for him doing that. But if he did do that, look, just on licensing, lose yourself alone. There's a lot of money sitting on the table somewhere. He hasn't done a lot of, I guess he did that one. I forget which car company he did a Detroit. I forget which one of the big right car manufacturers it was for, but a big, you know, Detroit comeback TV spot that I'm sure was a big deal. But he's not gone and chased a lot of that. So see how he keeps going. And also, let's see what this album does a week or two from now, because he certainly has the fan base to open an album. He also doesn't do a lot of promotion or other activity. If it's going to stick around, it's going to stick around on what the word of mouth is, or, you know, if there's anything that a song that generates that kind of interest, or it's not going to drop the way that Bon Jovi album dropped. It's not going to be out of the top 200 next week. No, but a little interested to see where it is. Yeah, to see how much continuing support and interest. So all right, we're going to pause. When we come back from this break, we are going to be speaking with Phil and Tim Hanzeroth, the twins who you know as part of Brandi Carlisle's band, very prominently part of their band for years and years, they have a new project of their own, a new album coming out this Friday. So we're going to hear about that and get into it with the Hanzeroth twins. When we come back with more sound up. At KeyBank, we know a small moment like, "Huh, what's it like to have a yard?" Can lead to an even bigger question like, "Am I ready to buy a home?" 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You know the hands are off twins. Bill, Tim from all their work over the years with our dear friend, Brandy Carlisle. But big news this week, which is a hands are off twins album coming out on Friday called Vera that we are excited about and excited to find out all about. So welcome you guys. Really good to see you. Thank you. Thanks so much for having us. Yeah, excited to be here. So I guess sort of the, you know, the broad stroke question to ask, but how does it feel on the precipice of putting out, you know, putting out music under your name, putting out songs that are your songs for all the shows and all the stages and everything that you've done. What is it like to put yourselves out there in the front like this? Scary. With Brandy, you know, we have these roles that are so clearly defined. You know, Brandy gets to sing lead. We kind of chase her around while we sing our harmonies. I'm always going to be playing guitar fills, always going to be playing bass. And it's like very well defined, comfortable place. And with what we're doing now, it's kind of the great unknown again. I mean, we had a rock band together 30 years ago and in the nineties in Seattle, like a grunge thing. And it's been so long since since we did it. It's just a whole new, a kind of uncharted territory. So it is a little bit scary, but it feels good. You know, we get to have our own voice back, you know, not that we don't have our freedoms with Brandy. It's a great, awesome thing we have going on, but it's, we're kind of rediscovering our voice again, you know. So is this material stuff that you've been gathering over the years and just kind of hanging on to or was there a decision of like, hey, we're going to go make an album and let's we'll write towards that. There's a set target here. What are these songs that we're swimming around in? You know, it's funny. It's kind of a little bit of a combination to both because we're always kind of just writing. And we'll kind of stockpile songs and every few years we make a record with Brandy and we have a lot of songs to choose from. So a couple of the songs were just songs that were kind of sitting in the junk drawer because we don't have any plans to make a record with Brandy right off the bat here. We're taking a kind of a pause for a couple of years. And so there was a couple songs that we that we drew from that bunch. And we wanted to, we knew we wanted to stick with songs that were kind of personal to our story and our life and our truth. And so we had a couple of those songs. And once we got those down and recorded, then we discovered like, oh, we know what kind of record this wants to be. So from there, we kind of now then we had a little chunk to work off. We started kind of riding in that direction and for and for the record. But not until we had about 30% of the record done. And then then we kind of revealed itself what it wanted to be. And we're like, hey, we could write more songs kind of in this direction. And that's kind of what we ended up being inspired by what was there and kind of just wrote itself. Yeah. Well, what was that? What did you, what did you hear? What did you pick up on that gave you that roadmap? I think the first one, I think I would probably agree the first song that we finished was Remember Me. That kind of said, okay, the record just presented itself as what it wants to be, you know, and yeah, we just kind of went from there sonically, thematically, like, what did it, what did that unlock? I think sort of both. But I think the biggest thing was that it was just honest and like truthful, you know, and it wasn't like a story about something. It was just here's a little piece of like what we're feeling, what we're thinking, you know, here's us. Yeah. And that one came together naturally too, in the sense that we, when we were, had the song, we were writing it and we hopped down in the studio, and we just sat right next to each other with no headphones, just a microphone right between us, which is probably an engineer's nightmare. And we're like, just, just, just, let us get through this song and let's see what it sounds like. And then we got through the song and was like, oh, well, that sounds like it's done. Sorry, you know, it was so kind of easy and natural. And, you know, there was none of this like, oh, give me three more tracks or give me, we didn't have to like go through the labors of trying to make it perfect. It kind of just happened on its own. And we're like, Oh my God, that was just so easy and natural. Let's just do that eight more times, you know, what on here, you know, what surprised you, what went somewhere you didn't anticipate. I mean, there's a couple of more rocked up things that are on here, but what presented itself along the way that you thought, Oh, that's kind of interesting. Didn't know we were going to do that. Yeah. I think poor side of people, when that one kind of came out, it was like, wow, this is like really sort of a different direction. But at that point in the process, it felt like, you know, we needed something like that to just something a little bit like a palette cleanser, a little bit of a boost of energy or something, you know, yeah. And it had kind of has kind of a cool rockability punk rock thing that, you know, kind of speaks to our roots. And you know, with that song, actually, it was kind of going to be a ballad that poor side of people. And we're having a hard time kind of finding what the music should be, because that's a song where all the lyrics were written first. And then one day, I was cruising around somewhere, I had like the satellite radio on on the track or something. And like Eddie Cochrane came on, like an old Eddie Cochrane song. And I was like, Oh, this is a rock and roll song. You know, we're pissed off about the super rich creating the poor. Let's make this a rock song. Let's make this a punk rock song. So we tried to make it a little bit like an old, you know, 50s rock and roll thing. But you know what surprised me on this record was Phil walked in one day and he's like, yeah, I want to sing an eraser song on this record. I was like, explain. So that really kind of took me by surprise. And I think it fits in like perfectly. But yeah, I was really surprised at that. What are the writing roles for you guys? Do you write separate? Do you write side by side? Is there a music guy in a lyrics guy? What? It's kind of all of that. Oh, yeah. Sometimes all of a song that's mostly complete or fully complete. Sometimes he'll have a song. Sometimes we sit down and work on something together. And a lot of times it's just, here's an idea that's almost done. And Tim gets out his butcher knife and freaking chops it up. What if we make the last verse, the first verse? And that's the cool thing about working with the, you know, your twin brother that's like, you don't have to worry about anybody's feelings. You know, you don't have to be like, Hey, that's a really beautiful song. You know, would it be okay? You can just be like, Okay, that's dumb. We got to do this. You know, that song is not good enough for the record. You know, there's a lot of communication. There's just no communication blocks. We're actually really good communicators. It's probably because of the twin thing. Anyway, it's a, it's really helps the writing process when you can just be honest with somebody and not have to worry about their feelings. No offense. Well, the twin thing, but also, I mean, as much recording experience as you guys have under your belt, you know, within different circumstances, in different settings, like I am sure that the lessons you've learned to put towards how to launch a project like this are, you know, there's a lot you can draw. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, it's funny because that you say that there's like the Tania Tucker project, the high women and this stuff we do with Joni Mitchell and the writing that's happened for other people like, I don't know, just the Zach Brown thing or the the Tania stuff. But the sort of like spectrum of musical influence is so large. But yeah, this is honestly the first time we've made a record since sort of having all that under our belt. It was like very nice to be able to pull from that kind of library. What do you take from that? I mean, just from let's leave aside the brandy work, not that all of this isn't brandy work, but from being in the in the orbit of a Joni Mitchell of a Tania Tucker, what do you walk away with and bring back into work from seeing what it is to, you know, to fly at that kind of altitude? Well, for myself, personally, I think, at least musically, speaking and creatively, like with the Joni stuff, she's so honest with her work, you know, that that's sort of one thing that I think gave us permission to kind of just really go there, you know, and less writing and singing, you know, stories about things and more just sort of like, hey, here's who we are right now and where we've been. And then the Tania thing, it's just sort of like has made us consider musically like going to different places. The country music thing, I love the country stuff, but like, it's not something that like I grew up listening to, it's not something I'm overly familiar with, you know, and so like, there's a lot of things that just happen that that I kind of go, okay, and we can do that, we can go to this chord, we can like, sure, drop out the first half of the last chords, just production stuff and sort of, but Joni's, Joni's amazing, though, because she, when you go over to her house, she has like 20 guitars sitting there, and they're all in different tunings. Like, she describes a guitar and tunes the pegs all down to weird places until she finds a tuning that kind of sounds cool, and then she starts making shapes. And, you know, after, after doing some stuff with Joni over the last couple years, you know, we got into some alternate tunings. And, you know, we got some songs that are in alternate tunings now. So there's things that kind of rub off on you in an indirect way, like learning all our songs made me say like, Oh God, I like this tuning, we could write a song in this tuning and we ended up doing that. And I had to learn how to play Dulsomer because we were taking on the task of doing her album Blue. And so we all learned the album Blue and somebody was like, Well, somebody's got to play the Dulsomer. I guess we got to find somebody. So I bought these mountain Dulsomers. And I finally, after like, oh, like a month, I've been kind of working on it at my house trying to figure out like, you know, I was watching YouTube videos of how she moves her hands across the strings because I really wanted it to sound like her. And I worked up the nerve one night to ask her at her house. I was like, Hey, so I got a Dulsomer. And I'm learning how to play some of the songs on Blue for this event we're doing. And could you give me any advice, any tips? And it was so cool. Because I was thinking she was going to be like, Yeah, it's got to be GCG. And I'm the one and she just goes tune them all up, Katie Wampus and beat it like a bongo. I was like, Okay, cool. And I do, you know, and I did, and I did, and I do work great. I was going to ask, you know, you guys are always, you know, whether it's Joni or Brenda, you're always writing or writing musical lyrics for someone else for someone else's voice. Did you have to like step back for a moment and say, or were there times where you're like, you get in the habit of writing for someone else's voice and like, get into your own head so you can write what was coming out of you guys? Oh, well, you know, writing for for Brandy, which I think is the very first thing we always do when we sit down creatively, try to, you know, come up with the next cool thing that we can do with that band. It's sort of encouraged to be very honest and very open in the songwriting and and the Tim run up earlier, like sometimes you get so honest that it doesn't work anymore for Brandy to sing it, interpret it, you know, for instance, the song Broken Homes on our on our record, you know, we went down the road of recording that for our last album with Brandy in these silent days. And in the studio, we were just kind of working it up and trying and Brandy just had the idea of, you know what, like, I don't come from a broken home. It's it's not like my truth, and it's a great song. And so yeah, it does it does happen. Yeah, sometimes you get a little too honest and it doesn't and it works for you, but not for someone else. And so I think sometimes when when we're writing for other people, like writing for Tanya, the subject matter can be a little more, I guess, interpretive or broad. And then for the stuff that we did with with our band this record, this time, once we had those couple first songs down, remember me and all always know I do, I was like, oh, man, this has to be out about our lives. Let's dig deep. So we kind of just, it all just accidentally ended up being very personal. And I mean, every bit of it, maybe not the erasure song, which was awesome. Or maybe so. Yeah, yeah. You mentioned I was going to ask, maybe it just caught me at the right moment, but always know you do hit me very hard that song. Tell me what you said. That was an early that was one of the ones that sort of laid out a direction for you. That's a song where the lyrics came to me first because we have a friend whose father is he has Alzheimer's and has been going through it for years now. And she said this funny story that one day her she was telling us about her dad was in the house and her mom had just gotten out of the shower and was naked and was walking through the bedroom. And the dad was like, who are you? And she goes, well, I'm your wife. And he goes, well, that's, I'd say I did pretty good then, didn't I? Our grandfather had Alzheimer's when we were growing up. We used to, we'd come home from school and our dog would be down the street. And our grandpa would be sitting at a front door in his chair that he always said him with a pile of rocks on the floor. And we'd be like, hey, grandpa, how's it going? Well, it's going good. But this damn dog keeps trying to get in the house. And we're going, well, that's our dog, grandpa, every day, you know, you're like, oh, okay, well, come on in then. But he didn't know towards the end who anybody was, but he knew he was when he was safe with someone. He knew that someone was his people. He knew that he knew that he was loved. And he knew which people were his people, even though he didn't really know who they were. So I just thought, I love the idea of, you know, maybe we're all going to get old and and we might forget things like that. But I think the heart remembers what the mind doesn't, you know. No, it's a beautiful song. Again, just maybe hit the right moment, but it's stood out for sure. Oh, thank you. So well, I want to ask while we're we're here, Brandy has explained many times, she writes, you know, very specifically, very detailed in her book about, you know, the performing entity, Brandy Carlisle is not her. That is her and you guys. And it is abandoned, is a group that just happens to have the name Brandy Carlisle. And I just, you know, would love to hear you talk about explain that. Roger, you said you just read a quote in a variety piece. Yeah, I think one of you explained the relationship as kind of a triangle, or Brandy explained it as a triangle where in Brandy Carlisle, she's on the top. But in this, in this instance, that triangle kind of turns, is that how you guys see it? Absolutely, you know, like with our band with Brandy, that's what Brandy always says to you goes, well, Brandy Carlisle, the person is Brandy Carlisle, the band is the three of us. And she does she describes it as a triangle. So she's at the top and then me and filler of the bottom corners, you know, the foundation of that. And then on this project, you know, like Brandy's like our biggest champion for what we're doing now, this solo thing. And she looks at as, instead of a departure, it's almost like an addition on to what are what the three of us can do. And so she's involved, but she's now at the bottom supporting us being at the tops of the triangle. It's that's the way she put it. And I love that analogy, because it's true. Everything we do, we do together, you know, she has a, if she has a project going on with someone, whether we're visually a part of or not, you know, we're in the back, turning the screws and writing and, and helping. And we're just, yeah, we've always been just a team, you know, supportive of each other. And we share our business, you know, we share our publishing, which was, you know, we always tried to be talked out of that for years, like, Oh, God, don't share your publishing, don't do that. And don't start your don't share your touring entity together. And, you know, it's worked for 25 years now. So I think it's been a great decision. It's it's served us. And it's it's served the songs. Yeah. Yeah, we share lives together, too. Right, as was going to say, it's more than just, that's not all you share that it's no. Yeah, we have this, we call it the compound as a joke, which is actually kind of a dark way to describe it. But it is, you know, we have our between the three of us, you know, we have like a hundred acres on the in the foothills of Mount Rainier out here outside Seattle. You know, we all have our separate properties, but they're very near each other. You know, Brandy lives like a thousand feet away from Phil and I'm building the house right now, about 600 feet away from Phil up the hill. And we all our cellist lives there. We have our monitor guy, some people that tour with us live out there, you know, we and we have property. We're always trying to get some of our friends to move out that, you know, you know, friends from other bands. We have a one of our friends from another big rock band here in Seattle has a property out there that he is a vacation property. And it's a really cool shared. We have a lot of shared resources there. You know, we have a we have a great couple recording studios. All the kids are close. You know, we each have a couple kids, Brandy's got a couple kids. So it's just an awesome way to, you know, live life, you know, when we got in travel, we got all our kids and tribe there and we go home, we got all their kids in our tribe there. And it's really cool. Well, it's great if it's a work, but that's that goes on the high risk high reward list. Not anybody can pull that off. And I was going to say, I mean, you know, I've been paying attention to and doing stuff with Brandy for a long, long time now and watching the transformation, obviously, all of the opportunities, possibilities, places that she and you guys have gone. There's a lot of change. There's a lot of progression in what that career looks like and what that work looks like and what your lives look like. You know, is that a thing that's, let's say tricky to navigate as everybody's kind of place in the world continues to change how those internal relationships change? I don't know if it's if it's tricky to navigate. I think that it, you know, it hasn't changed and is going to stay this certain way. It's it's it's always continuously been changing the whole time. And I think the thing that helps us kind of just everybody stay together and like be part of the team is from like you were just like we were just talking about from the very beginning, it's been sort of all in all together. And that's been like a great strength of ours. So I think it's just when everybody's on the same page of just supporting each other and supporting the band and brandy and the direction of the whole thing. And yeah, it's I wouldn't I wouldn't say tricky. It's, you know, you want to make sure you're doing the right thing for everybody, you know. But that still is reassuring or something to hear because every, you know, you you are in a really different place than 10 years ago, 20 years ago, what this looked like. You know what it feels like? Well, you know, I mean, you've been in the business a long time too. It's it's a it's a hard business because it's always changing. And I feel like that as wonderful and awesome and rewarding as it is, we operate at a level of stress that would probably just kill most people with the traveling and the you know, the traveling and the and the adrenaline of playing a show and the coming back home and it dumping out and, you know, being away from your loved ones and you know, you're missing these birthdays, you're missing these weddings, you're missing your funerals and, you know, one thing that's changed in the last 10 years, the profile of the band has gone up considerably. And it's there's some pressure with that because it feels like you before where we were just in the $5 Blackjack tables, you know, cool. We could play 200 shows a year, five bucks each and we can and now, you know, we play less shows, but there are really high stakes shows and there's there's a lot of financial burden of keeping a really big band and crew together. It's really expensive and stressful. If somebody gets sick and you have to cancel a show, it's it could be really devastating and stressful. So it's it's kind of like we're at the high the high rollers tables now. And but we're but we're still grunge kids, you know, and it's stressful. So not just just a lot, you know, but but the thing that we have always with through all those changes is just each other we have our home base. And so yeah, we always just have the support of each other, but it can be daunting. So are you guys going out to support this? And if so, what's that gonna look like? We are, as it tomorrow already, I think tomorrow we're embarking on a little promo tour and where we're going to be doing some Q&A and some short sets, things like answering questions and doing some playbacks. We've been opening for ourselves, you know, we opened for the Brandy Carlyle band out in London and, you know, Tanglewood earlier this summer in a few other places. I think as the opportunity like to play presents itself, we'll be doing more stuff maybe next year as we can sort of continue our sort of downtime with Brandy. We'll be doing some more stuff. But yeah, and in Seattle, we're going to wait for the vinyl to come out to do our release party. I'm sure you guys know EZ Street Records, the big record store out there. We love EZ Street. We love Matt Vaughn. We'll be doing something there. But you got caught up in the in the vinyl pressing delay that everybody else? Yeah, man. It's like, yeah, you got to plan these things like a year in advance. It's crazy. Yeah, we didn't even know we were going to be putting up by the time if we wanted to have the record, the vinyl on time, we would have had to know we were making a record. But I think the twin thing is going to be cool that for touring, you know, when we go out and do, we will eventually get out and do some shows. And, you know, we're talking about a minute ago, how it's all high stakes with the Brandy thing. And that's, that's awesome. And it's so rewarding and fun. But the cool thing about the twin thing is we can go hop in a van and trailer or a bus. And we can kind of just bring two guitars and a couple backpacks and really nothing. It's so portable. What we're doing now, you know, even the even the songs that have a little bit of production on the record, you know, there'll be some piano bass on some of the songs. But, you know, we can just get out there with the two of us and maybe a roadie and do it. And, you know, there's doesn't have to be any pressure involved, you know, we have a sound guy that we really love that we would take with us. He's an amazing, amazing individual. And he just, he would be probably the only thing we need. And you can do that knowing that with the with the super dedicated support and love of the bramly that is out there. You know, you're not going to show up and play an empty room. So, Oh my God. They're just the best. Do we have, we, I mean, not a day goes by when we don't think about, you know, how lucky we are to have just the best fans in the world. Yeah. We had, we had just ended up with the best fans. It's so true. They're so supportive. One more question. I'm an erasure fan. So why erasure, why that song? Okay. I've always loved that song. And erasure, they're one of my favorite bands. I think they're just so, I mean, they're like in my top three, you know, I think they're totally underrated. And I think their music is so like melodic and beautiful. And they're just such good writers and performers and singers. And you know, it's funny like we started making the record and there's so much truth and sort of like heaviness at times that we just thought, man, you know, it'd be a nice kind of moment on this record. Let's do an erasure song, you know, and let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it in the style of the record, you know, acoustic and couple harmonies and just, you know, so everybody can see it's just an amazing song, no matter what the production, you know, we're such huge erasure fans too. Like, I was to tell him, Philip, we end up making another record in a couple of years. If we just turn the twin project into something that we might just continue doing, that we should do an erasure song on every record. I think that would be awesome. That is the thread. Yeah, the common thread through it all would be an erasure cover because they're just such a great band. You'll eventually have a whole album of covers for them. Yeah. I mean, you know what, record store day erasure. That's a record store day project for sure. That's a great idea. Oh, I was gonna say we haven't sent that song to them yet. I'm kind of afraid to. Maybe you guys can send it over for us. Yeah. We have ways of doing. Phil and Tim Hanzeroth, thank you guys so much. It's a pleasure. It's so good to see you. Congrats on getting to the starting line. Yeah. The Vera album. And hopefully we'll see you see out there soon. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Really nice talking with you. Yeah. Thanks for joining us, Phil and Tim Hanzeroth. The album Vera is out this Friday. We're going to take a break right here when we return. We will give you our new music picks of the week that's coming right up on Sound Up. We all know KitKat bars taste delicious, but what about how they sound? It's not just a catchy jingle. It's the satisfying crack of breaking off a piece of KitKat, followed by a crisp crunch. Oh, we forgot one other sound that accompanies KitKat bars too. It's or maybe it's more like all together. KitKat bars are music to our ears and yummy flavors to our mouths. Have a break. Have a KitKat. Let go with ego. Existent of steepo step personas en el mundo. Los caprefiran de sajuna dul second fruitas dul se de leche un hugo de naranja. Ilos caprefiran de sajuna salado con chorizo. Weavos rancheros y un caffé. Peros en importar que tipo de personare. Ay algo canto dos les bagus tat. Los crujientes y estong hosos ago waffles. Just say a cate gustan de sajuna salado con weavos osa en sappicanden sima de dos waffles. O se asmas dul sero. Ilos prefiras con mante que jaimién en quentar los en el passigio de de sajuna con hellanos lego. With ego. Welcome back to sound up. Mark Goodman on vacation this week, so we're going to look at our new music picks as we do every week, but you're just getting me and Roger Colletti with our selections this week. So Roger, you want to you want to lead us off what's new and out in the streets that people should know about. Well, one of my favorite bands of all time put out a song this week, and I couldn't find if there's an album coming, but usually when they drop a song that means something's coming. There's a new song out by solo asylum. And if you're not a solo asylum fan, you should be. This is a band that consistently puts out really great music and really different types of music. Their last album, which we had them up for and they performed for while we were doing the show at series is a great record. And they are just a band that continues to surprise me and has this very long history where they started as more of a dirty punk rock band in that Minnesota scene and has had, you know, a really, really high point in their career with grave dancers union and let your dim light shine, but has consistently put out great records since then. And Dave Perners just got a very unique voice, I think is a great songwriter. And this new song is called High Road, and it's more of an interesting type of a solo asylum song where they mess around with interesting chord progressions and the verses are kind of messy and all over the place, but then he hits you with this great chorus. And I love when they do songs like that. So this is a really cool song. They are on tour right now. Another great lineup. It's them as the special guest with Stone Temple Pilots and Live, I believe is the lineup, which is a great night of music. I did not even see this song. Granted, as I said earlier, I've been trapped in a lot of airports. I'm not fully up on everything, but I didn't see anywhere that this was out. Yeah, I just, it was funny because it wasn't in the list of new music that came out. And I was driving around and I just said to, you know, Siri, hey, play new music. And this song popped up and I was like, oh, let me go make sure this is a new song. And indeed it is. Well, I've got just a couple to mention. Bandit, I've enjoyed talking about over the last few years, we got new music from the Linda Linda's. A lot of great things going on with them. They're going out opening this Green Day tour that's coming up. They just opened for the Rolling Stones at the for the Los Angeles date. We just saw them recently at a special one off for a screening of Stop Making Sense in Brooklyn. They did one of the songs on That's Not Making Sense tribute record. And the Linda Linda's have a new album coming in October. And though they're still really young, because they're so young, it feels like, wow, they're way more grown up than they were two years ago. The difference between 14 and 16 is, you know, big difference. So their earlier stuff, which was super fun, but tended to be kind of shouty punk rock, you know, very like yelling out the choruses. This new song, which is called All in My Head, is more like kind of a power pop song. It's definitely more, you know, more melodic, a little more sort of introspective. I mean, another one of these songs, as we keep talking about young people writing about their own mental health, their own anxiety, their own issues. This is another one of those songs. But I think it sounds great. I mean, I think the question with these guys was, okay, it's really fun to see these really young girls doing this punk rock stuff, will they turn into sort of a real band, and like be interesting out in the world when it's not sort of the novelty of what it is to look at them be tiny and yelling like this. And this is a really good song and a really, if this is a sign of where this album is going, I'm interested and excited to see where the album is going. So, Linda Linda's All in My Head is my first pick and my second pick comes from Joy, a lot of Koon, who we have talked about, African American singer out of Nashville, gets lumped in the kind of new Nashville, you know, recent rise of Black country artists. I don't know how much to continue to argue for her as a country artist necessarily. It's very singer-songwriter-y and this new song from an album forthcoming album, but no date on it yet. Songs called Drugs, it's very kind of poppy, again, very melodic, strong, strong hook, kind of funny. The theme is the drugs don't work. I can't get high anymore. But again, that that kind of leans into, "So, what do I do to make myself feel better?" You know, a little more sort of flip way into another song examining, "How do we deal with the pressures and anxiety of what life is like nowadays?" So, I think she's a, you know, real talent, a little bit of a different direction here. She's, you know, it's been more kind of straight ahead, more sort of James Taylor E. Singer songwriter-y. This is, again, a little more poppy, a little more hooky of a song, so we'll see where she goes. But Drugs from Joy A Lotacoon is my other new music pick this week. And you can hear that song and the solo song and all the songs we've picked over these past 51 episodes in our Sound Up Soundtrack playlist over on Spotify. I did not put anything from the new Childish Gambino album on here because we played the lead single a couple of weeks ago and I don't like doubling stuff up on our playlist there. Once it's marked, it's kind of marked, like, if you're interested, go listen to the album. But I would be really curious to hear from anybody who has listened to the Childish Gambino album. I talked about the event that Donna Glover did a couple of weeks ago at this weird little island called Little Island over on the west side of Manhattan. So, it's a ferry all over the place, very diffuse album, like 90s emo, Green Day My Chemical Romance sounds, Afro beats, sort of old messy loud club beats. There's a lot of things going on here. The album is the soundtrack to the film, the Bando Stone film that that Donna Glover has coming. It also the end of the Childish Gambino character. So, if you've listened to us, let us know your thoughts. And in fact, let us know your thoughts about anything at all. 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Sound up in music and by smile from Tokyo. We'll see you next time right here on Sound Up with Mark Goodman and Alan Light. We all know KitKat bars taste delicious, but what about how they sound? It's not just a catchy jingle. It's the satisfying crack of breaking off a piece of KitKat, followed by a crisp crunch. Oh, we forgot one other sound that accompanies KitKat bars too. It's... or maybe it's more like... all together, KitKat bars are music to our ears and yummy flavors to our mouths. Have a break. Have a KitKat. Let go with ego. Existento steppos de personas en el mundo. Los caprefiran de sajuna dul se comfruta stul se de leche en hugo de naranja. Elos caprefiran un de sajuna salado con chorizo que vos receros emcafe, peros en importar que tipo de personaris. Ay algo que a todos le spago está. Elos que profiran de se estan hosos ago waffles. Jazia que te gusto en de sajuna salado con wavos, o se el sappicanden sema de los waffles, o se asmas tul sero. 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On Episode #51 of “Sound Up!,” we talk to the Hanseroth Twins, Phil and Tim, about their new album “Vera,” their longtime partnership with Brandi Carlile, and what they’ve learned working with legends like Joni Mitchell and Tanya Tucker. Plus we have music news about Bruce Springsteen and Eminem reaching new landmarks, live reviews of Mike Campbell and Sammy Hagar from members of our audience, and our New Music Picks of the week, including Soul Asylum, the Linda Lindas, and Joy Oladokun.
