[MUSIC] >> What's up everybody, Metal Dave Glessner here along with my co-host Jason McMaster bringing you another episode of the Talk Louder podcast. Today we're joined by a buddy of ours, Bobby Landgraph. Bobby is a musician here in Austin, Texas, a great guitar player in his own right. You may know him from his time in down with Phil Anselmo from Pantera, and he's currently out with Pantera. He works as Rex Brown's bass tech, and he recently started a YouTube channel called Crew From Hell 2.0. You need to go check it out, it's awesome. Bobby takes us behind the scenes and shows you what it's like to set up. An arena-sized gig, a stadium-sized gig. I mean, it doesn't get any bigger than the shows he's doing. And it's very insightful stuff that he's showing on his channel, and there's a sense of humor that follows it throughout because it's Bobby, right? So we've known Bobby for a long time, we've had him on the show before, but today he's here to talk about his time touring the stadiums and the arenas of the world with Pantera. He's a joker, he's a toker, he's a midnight smoker. Bobby Landgraph is a one-of-a-kind, and anyone who gets to spend time with him and understand his vernacular, his vocabulary, and his entire silly mind is a very lucky person. He's got a giant heart, he's just the sweetest guy, and today he kind of tells us all how he sort of big-mouthed his way into the gigs that he's gotten. And he's just gotten good at the whole thing, and he's widely respected. He's worked for some big names. He's actually working with people that have been doing it on much higher levels than him. Well, that's hard to, I'm choking on that because Bobby's toured with, by default, as a base tech for Dusty Hill on the ZZ Top Tour. No, this was a long time ago. But that's high level, and you can't be a fuck-up. I think that it's things like that that have given him the pedigree, not just a great guitar player, sound man, engineer, producer, songwriter. But it's those things on top of him being able to do all of those things are kind of what put him in that place because he met a lot of the right people, and they understood him, they got him, and they hired him, because he's just being Bobby all the time. Yeah. And I don't think that it's kind of the kind of gigs that he really needed a, quote, resume. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, his experience speaks for itself. You've known him forever. I've known him quite a long time, and he's always been a behind a soundboard, whether it's the Continental Club or producing bands or recording stuff and playing. Yeah. I mean, he's got a band called Honky. He played with you in a band called Godzilla Motor Company. He played, you know, me. During those times, the GMC stuff and the early Honky stuff, that's when I really, well, recording Godzilla Motor Company stuff is when I really learned, and he'd been doing it the whole time. It was when I really learned about, you know, he's an onion that he has all these different layers and things that he can do, and he has his hats that he wears well, you know what I mean? And he won't try to wear a hat that he doesn't know that he can wear. Yeah. Like the stories that he tells, he'll say yes, but then he has to do some homework. That's okay. That's okay, because if you know Bobby, you know, like, he's going to get the job done, and they'll call on him again to do the same job as needed. And he'll have to do the same thing. He'll have to go do a little bit of homework, but he's going to kick ass and get the job done. So seeing him glow and put these vids together of his, you know, past travels over the past couple of years and actually have a little YouTube channel that's actually blowing up right now as we speak. And such a short time. Dave, I think it was an excellent idea for you to have him as a guest to talk about this and just kind of catch up again with Bobby. Yeah. Yeah. There's a no brainer, man. He's a great guy. We love him to death. And I mean, his channel is amazing. So it was a no brainer to have him back to talk about it a little bit and give us a little more insight than what we get from his channel. And we got to ask him about the time he actually got to fill in for his boss. Bobby actually played with Pantera in front of 60, 70, 80,000 people in Santiago Chile. Yeah. Yeah. They need to go search that video. But they should they should watch this episode and learn about it and learn to get to know Bobby a little bit and then do some research on Bobby. Yeah, absolutely. Always a pleasure to have him Bobby land graph today on the talk louder podcast. Yeah. So tell us about your jersey you're wearing. Oh, this right here. Yeah. This whole thing. Yeah. This is Dave Hill. Dangerous snakes who hate bullshit. That's his gang. Dave Hill's a comedian. Okay. He does. Well, he's out with. Well, he's doing a lot. He's out with tenacious D right now. Okay. And he tours and does his stand up everywhere. I got this because I was his bass player. He rocks guitar while he does his skit. I'll send you his car. He's actually going to be the warm up act for the down show as well. That's where that's where you said the name of old times. Yeah, I'm saying, I'm saying, wait a minute. I know the name. I saw it on an ad for a gig. And it is the down gig far out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a nice jersey. I like it. It's a nice jersey. I'm glad that it's 100 degrees outside. Well, not in my room here. No. So this one either. It's only 97. Excellent. Excellent. Yeah. That's why he's freezing. Yeah. The man, thanks for joining us. Yeah. I'm so glad to be here, fellas, right? Man, your YouTube channel grew from hell 2.0. Man, it's only been up for like a month and people are talking about it. I think you got 1500 subscribers. It's just, it's cool, man. It's blowing up and I can see why it's really, really cool. So. It's a blast. What's the blast started on all this? Well, honestly, it was being at the places I was at and just having my phone talking to my wife and my friends and going, Hey, check this out. Can you believe what's going on? This is crazy, huh? And then I started putting up the phone while we would set up. Like, you know, I don't want to watch this later. Everybody in my crew, they're going to love this later. So I did that and I just kept doing that and I kept doing it and I got home and I looked at my phone like, you know, you really should download all these, you know, videos you have on your camera. So I did, I started to watch them and I'm like, this is kind of cool. I don't know. Maybe I can make something out of this or the crew. I had no idea I was going to make a show out of it. And so the more I did it and the more things I put together, I'm like, Oh, no, maybe I could throw this out on YouTube, you know, have some fun with this. And that's really all it is iPhone, iMovie. I learned how to, you know, put some text on there. I learned how to make a thumbnail and put the Star Wars letters descriptions in there. That's it. You know, all the kids are doing it. Yeah. And I'm glad that you joined the kids. I'm glad doing it because it's kind of like you're an influencer. I had no idea. You're going to have a brand soon. You'll need, you know, we're going to have his own jerseys. That's right. Yeah. I'm rocking the crew from Hell 2.0. The number on the back will be 2.0. Yes, it will be. Right now, it's my name. Oh, shit. He got you set up. Oh, yeah. He set me up. Set me all up. Good. So how much footage do you think you have? How many? I've still, I've got eight episodes out and I still have, I don't know, maybe about eight shows in the can or more, whatever I want to call a show. When I get too long and I get started getting 20, 25 minutes, I'm like, I'm going to make it apart one and two. Just divide it up. You know, I don't know how much attention span. I think most people are looking at other phones. I don't know. Totally learning, totally accidental show that I have. Well, you've been on cap size plenty of times. You know, kind of know where it's going and what to say. Sure. I guess so. We've all got a little idea. Dave, Dave Pruitt, you know, right. Right. Right. Honestly, the original plan on my head was to do more like what you guys are doing, but with crew, because I'm surrounded by so many crews, and, you know, y'all are talking to the rock stars and that's great and that's really exciting to see. And your wolf Hoffman was so killer. I was like, man, I've got to go on after wolf Hoffman. I'm so boring. No, I'm not. I like his best as a shark talking about that. Like, we didn't know who was just fucking around. We didn't care. I was like, yeah. But, yeah, I just thought it would be for the crew and do it for the crew, and but it turns out I'm doing it for, you know, do it for myself and now I'm putting it out there. I'm sorry, but what I wanted to say was, you know, y'all have inspired me big time, and I wanted to do interviews. Excuse me, but with the crew, because I'm surrounded by so many crew people and so the original idea was to interview crew, and which I will get into, of course. The crew from hell. I'm really keeping it close to the crew and just us, really, because I'm not trying to piggyback on anything else really it's just, I'm going to keep it crew from hell, because our crew, the 2.0 is because there was such a rich history of Pantera and their crew from hell. Yeah. So we're the 2.0, but that's what management started calling us in all the text threads and stuff. And here's the 2.0, you know, people this for this tour. So I just took that. I'm like, all right, we're crew from hell 2.0. So obviously you have consent from the band and management and all the guys and you're, you're, they want to be interviewed and you're going to, because dude, I have the suspicion that everyone's going to, well, that's what I figured, of course, but I have to ask because those of us who've checked out a couple episodes or became addicted quickly and I've seen everything that you've uploaded. They want, they want to see that shit that they can't see. That's what's happening at 10 a.m. What's happening at noon? What's happening at three, because no one knows. No one knows. And honestly, that's, like I said before, I was just, I find myself standing in a situation like, wow, look at that. They're lifting all that shit up to the ceiling and that. Oh shit, took out my phone like, check this out, you know, and just start showing it. And it is fascinating. And it is an insight that no one gets to see because no one's supposed to be there. And no one really legally or safe to Lee. That's a word now safe. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Can be there because, you know, it's crew and hard hat and I'm just kind of sneaking around everybody because, you know, first of all, I'm not shy. I don't care. I'll just get up in them and start talking to people. And for the most part, people are really friendly about it. But see, it started out. Just Bobby, I was bobbing his phone again, you know, and now that I'm putting out episodes, it was funny, I went out on this last run last week to the Sonic Temple Festival. And I got a little more personality starting to happen out of the crew people like they want to, like, say, Hey, man, and, you know, like, I'll be filming and they'll come behind like, Hey, bro, like, right on. That's really what I wanted out of it. You know, for the most part, crew people, they're not like me. I guess I'm not your typical crew guy because I'm a ham, I'm boisterous, I'm like, whatever, I'm not shy at all. But a lot of people are, and they're like, no, just leave me alone to my gig. I really don't want to be interviewed and talk. But the rapport I've made with my crew and these people have been over the last almost two years. So, you know, we got to stay now. I got, I got little insight isms that we talk about and jab each other about because we're crew and that's how we do. And I can bring it out of them, and I can have some fun with them. And I think that instead of being a journalist showing up on a stage like, Hi, I'm from something something and we'd like to interview you if you have a few minutes. I'm just walking up on the motherfuckers like, Hey, bro. So hey, what's the thing and what are you doing? Well, hey, how was that? And they're like, Oh, okay. And they're loving it. And it's, it's working out. Well, and it's fun that way. Yeah. And they can kind of jack around a little bit and be comfortable about it. And then like, I mean, eventually there's hints of the truth is what, well, it chains the strings, you know, every day on 10 guitars and that bump. That's cool. And that's shit people want to know. I have a legitimate question about, and of course this is not during the day when you're running around until some kind of sound check or line check or whatever you guys are doing. Are you, are you doing anything during sound check or line check. Is your phone on or you're going, Hey, check this out. And, you know, if I set it up side stage. Then, you know, yes, I'll have some footage, but you're clocked in tech, you know, whatever that means. Yeah, you're paying attention. You can't hold your phone clown around while, you know, I'm not supposed to. Yeah, I think we're going as this. I don't know. Hey, it seems like whatever's working is working. And, and, and if the band is open minded to the, I mean, Zach's videos that he puts out are hilarious. Oh, man, he's having a blast doing it. I mean, how come he hasn't had his, you know, why didn't he uploading and have a channel because that shit is fantastic. He does BLS. Oh, all his BLS. Oh, it is. It is a show. I mean, it's not a show, but it's just his ads channel. I don't think so. Okay, that's what I'm going to stuff. Yeah, you know, if you just bass player JT and have a guitar, you're like, Oh, JT, look at this new guitar. Isn't it amazing? Oh, oh, and then JT like. Yeah, yeah, you know, those are so good. You know, he does all that. In the superhero shit like the he man. Yeah, he's that. That's hysterical. It's so great. Well, Jason brought up a good point. And I was going to ask the same. The first thing that kind of struck me when I started watching your videos is did he have to get permission for this? And I know you're tight with the Pantera dudes, of course, but you got a lot of footage of the stage with, you know, when you were out opening from Metallica playing stadiums and that sort of thing. Did you have to get any permission from the Metallica camp to film any of that stuff or are they just don't know as far as I know, as far as I know, I'm just going for it, man. I'm throwing it out there. Is there anything off limits with the Pantera camp? Are they like, don't show this and don't show that everything else is fine? Is there any show is crew from hell? And I'm keeping it with the crew and I'm really keeping it with us. I'm not going backstage with the fellas while they're getting ready, or really in their face while they're sound checking and we're taking care of this. We're taking care of this. We're on a tight schedule. We got a certain amount of time. We got to do this and that. So when I'm talking to somebody, it's because they have a minute to do so. If I'm talking to somebody about the pyro or their guitar or their, you know, setting up chains for PA, it's because they have a minute to do so. So I'm not interrupting anybody's job. I'm not interrupting anybody's flow. And I know the flow. I read it and I could see it. So I'm finding my ends where I can find my ends. And I started to see since the Metallica shows started going around and there was brass there and I started to see things on YouTube of people walking around the Metallica donut. Oh, yeah. You know, this and that. So I'm like, why can't I? I'm just going to do it. And they're filming the band. Sure. They've got the band coming up right to their face. Hey, man, what's up? Hey, I remember you and all that. That's everywhere. People. You're more chill. So, yeah. So I'm walking into Ford Field when it's absolutely empty. And it seems like I'm looking around and it's just three of us on the donut. And I'm like, check this out. Y'all. Early morning. Ford Field. Nobody's in here. Here's the donut. And here's how this works. That episode was awesome because Ford Field is the home of the Detroit Lions. So NFL football stadium. And you need a point in that episode that I would have never considered it. And this is the beauty of your show. We've all been to a million concerts as spectators. We've all enjoyed the spectacle, the production. We go home talking about it. We have no idea what it takes to put that together. And so the Ford Field episode, you're opening for Metallica. It's a football stadium. And you made the point. The truck was able to drive into the stadium versus having forklifts, making multiple runs in and out of the stadium from the parking lot. That's the kind of stuff. Yeah. Let me go. Whoa. Right. I mean, take it to scale. Yeah. Yeah. So what's it like? So you're driving an 18. You're not driving, but somebody on the crew is driving an 18 wheeler into the stadium to offload the gear on. When you can't do that, how many trips does it take a true forklift to? Well, let's say Madison Square Garden. You can't do that. So everything's downstairs. And there's a cement ramp that's going up. And there is a dance of forklifts that are empty in the truck. And it's coming up. And it's coming up. And unlike a Metallica show, we have one semi tractor trailer, something like Madison Square Garden. That's our whole rig. So there's seven trucks doing that dance with forklifts all day. Well, all morning till it's done. And man, it's a ballet. That's a whole other episode I've got ready to come out. Not ready yet. But watching that ballet of forklifts is pretty amazing, too. But that's the difference. And that's why I say things like that, because also the point about the Metallica shows is we don't have our full rig. It's their rig. We're the guests. We don't have speakers. We don't have all of our stage stuff. We don't have our pyro. We're on their deck. So we have just hundreds of feet of cable for our gig. Everybody's in in years. And everybody's on wireless. So we're depending on wireless in years, the whole show. It was mind-blowing the first couple shows, really nerve-racking book. I have a, I had quit. This is kind of where I was going with earlier. And it's okay that, you know, we're jumping around the room a little bit. I love this. But here's a deal. So when you're on those guesting shows, that's the same Metallica. And what time of the day are you putting the N-ears in? Because it's not a walkie talkie. You've got ears and your guys are talking to each other through the N-ears, through the system that you guys have racks of N-ears system. And not the old school pick up the radio and go, "Oh, Barbie, did you call me about the cables and the bla, bla, bla, bla, hold on. Zack needs a bla." You know, no. Sure. You've got it on any. Right. Right. What time? Yeah. What time are you putting that on? Because you're starting to pull cable and roll and set up and roll. And you guys need to talk to each other from 100 feet away, 200 feet away. We do have radios. So there's radios. There's radios. We have it every gig. Okay. So yes, we still have that. If it's like, "Hey, man, what's the fucking deal with the thing?" And I got a, you know, that's a radio thing. The N-ears is for the band. It's got band inputs. It's not necessarily a talkback for everybody at all. That's what our radios are for. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Sorry. I was confused about that. No, that's a great question and a great point. And the changeover between, at what point, because during the show, you have ears on so you can hear what's going on on stage. You have your own mix. It's similar to what Rex is hearing in his ear. It's the identical mix of Rex. Rex will share that mix. So you can tell what he's hearing exactly. Yes. So when his instrument is loud and, you know, it's like, "All right. Something comes out. Something's not working. We both hear it." And they're like, "Okay." Yeah. Yeah. That's what makes it telepathic, sort of. Yeah. At this point, it is. After so many shows. Yeah. Yeah. What's the, what's the biggest, oh, shit moment you've had with Rex? You're on this. It must have been the Metallica donut when the ears get, you know, intermittent because it's a, it's a false sense of security. You're there in the morning. You're doing your sound check. It's just us. And they've sliced off the frequencies that we get. Metallica has sliced off the frequencies that we get. And so we're doing our sound check. Everything's cool. If there's some dirt or we see it in the channel like, "Ah, this is a little bit dirty. Somebody's stepping on this. So give me another channel." So we do that. Do our dance with all that. And they have texts that are just there to make sure our frequencies are right. I mean, their crew is, I couldn't even, I don't even know yet. There's so many. But anyway, so there's a false sense of security because sound check seemed to go really well. And I'll walk around the donut like with different bases, different packs like, "All right, everything's clean. I'm hearing everything. This is great. This is easier than I thought." Yeah. But it might have been MetLife Stadium, the very first show we did. And all the sound check is great. Like, "All right, well, this isn't as hard as I thought." But man, once the show starts, I like to say that, you know, there's how many tens of thousands of people that are going, "Yeah." With their phones and showing their cousin, like, "Fucking nay, check it out." And then things get a little, how frequencies get stepped on. There's a little bit of, you know, like, zips and dips and like, "Who was that?" And didn't happen at sound check, but what are you going to do? The show's on. Right. And the fellas don't have a rig to go next to them, like, "Okay, well, at least I have that." They don't. That just got the in-ears. Wow. So it makes it crazy. Yeah. Yeah. See, there's another thing I would have never thought of. You're an estateian full of people on their cell phones. It's got to be playing havoc with your signals, you know. You may have to scan your rig, you know, hit scan on it more than two or three times in a day depending on who's going to walk in or walk out using their phone or another kind of rig. Yes. Fucking radio station down the street or Air Force. All towers. When we're outside. All that shower. All sudden there's dirt in your signal. Yeah, absolutely. But we have really top-notch crack monitor guys and, you know, they're familiar with any problem that may happen. And it's like, "Oh shit, here, Bobby, here's a new frequency." So it's not me searching for the new frequency. I have enough on my plate. So they give me another one. Yeah. So tell us for all of us that don't know. Like, give us a run down on when does your alarm clock go off in the morning and when you go to bed when Pantera is headlining and the same scenario when you're opening from Metallica. How long is your day? Two different days completely. When it's a headline show for ourselves, which they all have been, even the festivals, Pantera has been headliner or co-headliner. What that means is the rigging crew, we walk into an empty deck. They don't have anything for us. We have our everything. So we walk into an empty deck. And what that means is Jared knows, "Hey, Jared, I see you." You chalked the floor. He texted me just now. Are you guys interviewing Bobby today? I said right now. Oh, he's probably on here. He's probably on here. He's going, "Okay, cool. Here, let me snap a photo. Y'all say hi." All right. Yep. Hi, Jared. Hey, buddy. See, I knew he was thinking about us. I knew you knew. You knew. I knew. I knew. I see you, Jared. Okay, Kerry. He's in Chicago right now. Okay, right on. But the Marines, first ones in, first ones out. There's the rigors and they're chalking points. Like, all right, that point of the ceiling is going to have this motor to carry this big fucking thing up there and all that. So they're in at 6 a.m., 7 a.m., at the latest. So they're starting their dance early. But three hours of them with the brilliant dance that they do of getting the chains up. First it's a rope and then it's a chain and then it's a motor and the motor's got the big thing. And the lights are being put together on the floor, then hooked up to the chains and then they go up. So there's a whole couple hours of all that that needs to happen. Lights and PA go up out of our way over our heads. Then we get on the deck with the band gear. What time is that usually happened? Our truck unloads it about nine, nine or 10 sometimes. And what that means is, I'll say back line. I speak for us as back line. That means the drums. Zack's guitar, Rex's basses and Phillips microphone. We have a truck for that. No. But we get to go in once all that stuff's in the air now because of the video walls. I'm on stage right. So what stage right is you're looking at the audience. It's the right side. So what's happening at about nine for me is that, yeah, my gear came off the truck, but I huddle it off into a corner and I can't quite get out there yet. I show this into videos because they're still putting a trust together to put the video wall that is essentially above my head during the show pointed at the folks. So there's the back wall video and there's stage left and stage right video walls and right under the video while that's that's that's really that's where I'm at. So then I have to wait an additional hour or two, it depends, you know, but I'll get to my, I'll get my gear to where it's supposed to go. I don't know 11 and I'll spend some time with my gear over to the side, restringing, getting anything I need to clean up or get ready for the show, and then I'll push it all into place. I'm up pretty quick. I throw some speaker cables and I throw my pedal boards out and I'm pretty much ready pretty quickly. For the most part. Let me interrupt real quick. How many guitars do you have ready to go for wrecks on a gig like this. 10. Wow. Okay. And he'll choose what basis he wants for what songs. Okay. And he's been having fun with, you know, basis for this since he started playing again with Pantera you know he's like, I want this bass for that song and some songs are five string bases and some are four string bases. Yeah, but at this point after a couple years of it he's really narrowed it down to ones he loves and we stick with those. And I say that, but every time we come out for another show he's got a new bass and he wants to try it so he's having fun with that same thing with pedals and tone. We're really doing a tone journey right now. There's never been so much tech for bass players as there is right now. It's all been for guitar players and stuff, you know, bass players yeah yeah play your amp egg you'd be fine. But man now there's so much now they they all have their own pedals. Yeah. Yeah pedals Geddy Lee has a pedal. Yeah, everybody has a pedal. It's true. So you got Rex is working out his too. I'm sure. Yeah, you get Rex set up on stage right. And you know obviously you're working during the show making sure the sound his sound goes off, you know, as yes. Explain to me the tear down and what time you're finally in bed. Well, last note hits boom. The band is off and we, meaning me and Zach's guys, Grady and Father Steve are taken and able are tearing down the rigs as quick as we can, being careful, but trying to be quick. There's two reasons for that one. Yeah sure you're done you want to get out or whatever, but you can't Dilly Dally because you've got pedals on the deck. You got cables run. And there's 50 kids that are just running up on stage to go moving stuff and pulling stuff down local crew. So they don't know what the fuck they're doing. And they're stepping on your shit and he's like hey man, look at a look out and she got to watch out for your stuff. So I have a method where I like all right I know what to go grab first to get them off pedals off the stage. Speaker cables out from the deck I have a 50 foot loom of speaker cable so wherever I am I can reach that speaker line. And once I tighten up and get everything in back into my world then I just tighten it up, put it put it away. I don't think it takes me 30 minutes to get done. And in my case is closed, and then push the gear to the truck, our back line truck we have our own truck for back line. So stage manager Scotty he's got a whole dance he's doing where he knows these people are going to be done here and these people are going to be done there. So we're coming in first, because we're the quickest I think we get our stuff out so I don't know shows finished at 11. By midnight, I can light a cigar. Wow, that's pretty good man. Yeah, it's fast but there's still shit going on till two. Yeah, yeah. So that was the Pantera headlining scenario so what's the opening for Metallica's what's happening from Metallica it's it's just back line and audio so it's our monitor people are front of house people are back line people. And some some other folks helping us throw cable around the stage. So, which come from our own crew. So if there's a Metallica show at the end of the week and it's headlining for our own shows all week. We have to pack a truck for the Metallica run that comes back and so that's a different pack right. So that's when it gets a little askew so it's tough to do a Metallica weekend while we're doing our own headline but we do. And we figured it out. But that kind of day. Well, like you see on like Ford field I'm walking around it's about 830. And we're waiting for the truck truck gets in and got I don't know by by 1030 or 11 I think we're making noise. And while we're setting up our stuff and mammoth is also let me tell you that Metallica's been there for a couple days already sound checking rocking out. You know they set up that donut, you know, they have two different, an A and a B rig. And what an A and a B rig is is when you go city to city and you're on a big tour like Metallica. Your A rig is in St. Louis and your B rig is in Detroit setting up for that show. So you're playing in St. Louis and your Detroit shows being set up. So St. Louis is done leap frog leap frog. So St. Louis is done and then you go to Detroit and there's the that set up and you know they've got like all week to set up for their shows. So we show up day of show and so does mammoth and mammoth is putting their half stacks on the deck. Because I think I could be mistaken but I think they're the only band that puts back lineup and they do a great job of it and their crew is really good about getting it on and off and as much as our guys wanted to. So I think Metallica's the rules are the rules for that donut it's like, well you can do in ears, you can't bring a bunch of your shit and put it on the deck, and do you want to do the show. And you say, well, yes, thank you, you know, right, you don't go hey man no way I gotta have my rig my stacks everywhere and they're like okay next would you like to play with us and do a fucking you know, and I'd like to believe I don't know this is real I believe that mammoth got a pass because fuck they're so great and wolf is such a badass and a sweetheart you know I, he might have said hey man can I put half stacks up there and they're like sure. You know but I don't think other bands do it I think all the other bands that play with Metallica do the in ears and wireless and it's a donut you're running around it. So on your crew, the Pantera, 30 plus 30 plus three crew buses, 10 or so people on each bus. And the buses are divided up into you know the riggers they get in first and they, you know they all live together and do their thing and and they're sleeping all day because they've been up so early and they're so they're so late. And we're going to line an audio that's our bus because we're all on deck together. And, and we're all there to discuss our show and our day because we're all on deck together. So one of the other things I love, I'm sorry Jason just going to say when you say riggers that's PA and lighting and production. Those are the guys putting the chains lifting the heavy stuff. They're putting it all they're building the PA building the stage building the. Yes, you know, the person who does pyro and lighting there with those guys. That may be the third bus pyro and, and some stage people, you know, lighting. Video, there's a whole video crew for the video walls. Yeah, you know, so yeah, that's how we're divided up. So pyro crew, video crew, back line crew rigor crew. For at least, you know, for at least that abandoned management they're on their buses. Yeah. And that kind of leads into the my next question. There, there used to be. Call me crazy, but I feel like there used to be a stereotype back in the sixties or seventies where the road crew was just a big, a bunch of big ass dudes who could kick ass beat up people and hump gear. Sure. One of the things I love about and they were drunk all the time and one of the things I love about your video is you really gain an appreciation for how much skill and professionalism is involved. I mean, it is amazing to me what you guys do and I love that you're able to show this through your channel. So, you know, we kind of know your story and we'll elaborate on that in a bit, but for some kid watching your room from hell YouTube channel or watching this podcast and listening to what you do. And they go, I want to do what Bobby does, is there, is there a formal education that's required for this or is it all about starting local building connections learning the skills yourself and then putting yourself out in the marketplace. It's, it's really on your own. There's, there's, I know there's full sale there's recording schools there's learning how to do life sound or perhaps lighting. But man, you know, you'll know, Jared knows that man you learn it on your own. I mean, I came up as a musician. And then as a musician, I wanted to know how to do sound like oh that's cool. So I learned how to do sound. And then you learn how to do sound like I want to learn how to record bands. So then I learned how to record bands. Then you know I, for me, the way my brain worked as a kid, it was just I had to know how everything worked. And so I've really enjoyed the learning how to do everything but no there's no real formal school on it. It's like I think you just have to, if you're a musician, then you know how to string an instrument and set up a rig. So there's your tech skills. Right. I also spent time in Los Angeles and I got a job at SIR, and that job was setting up rigs, setting up stages. And here Bobby here's this truck full of gear for kiss or playing at the Paramount so you go set them up. Okay, and you learn how to set up a back line and do all that so my skills started early. And I think I started working at SIR in LA. And so that turned into tech jobs where I ended up being a guitar tech for Tim Pierce, who's now a huge influencer and and YouTube personality because she's so brilliant. And he was a studio tech in LA, so I learned a lot from him and different gear and stuff so anyway, I guess I'm speaking to myself about my skills and how I got them from being a musician. I spent most of my years in a van, you know touring, and, and it turned into like okay well, Bobby will pay you this amount to take care of this guy, you know, for a month like, okay. And, you know, I think it was, I was at the arc in Austin, of course, and being more was going out was easy top and I just kind of big mouth to my way into that gig. And we were the Austin rehearsal complex and there's rehearsal complexes around the world and we all know and love them, but this one was very special to us as very charming. And we were able to get in on a lot of things and I bring that up because that was the first bus tour I did. I was just working in the front office and, and there's this guy in the phone, but he had more tour, but it's easy top, we're leaving tomorrow, we need a guitar tech and I'm like, hmm, by the time he hung up the phone I said, hey man, my name's Bobby. I'll be guitar tech and on the tour that y'all are doing, he's like oh, does Ian know and I said, no but I'll be right back, because Ian was rehearsing in the studio at the art. And I go in there, hey Ian man, you need a tech I got you bros all right he's like, okay, just Jan no he's manager I go, no but I'll be right back, and I go into another room, and I call up Jan. I'm like Jan Bobby I'll be tech and free I'll don't worry about everything's handled it's all good she's like, okay does everybody know I go yeah everybody knows it's all good we got this. I'm like, click, make my way back to the front office and the manager I'm like yeah Jan knows Ian knows we're good when do we leave. I mean, I push my way into gigs I just got a big mouth, you know so I, that put me on tour was easy top, and Ian more, and when Leepzig Germany, Leepzig Germany. The hills bass tech got his appendix blew up. Oh, so since I was working stage right every day I've had a little rapport with the fellas, and they hired me to take care of dusty hill for the rest of the tour. And finally was I out out tacking Ian Moore's guitars but I ended up being Ian's and dusty hills tech on that same tour. So, I recommend to any kids that are listening that one in on this business. If you see what you want going and grab it. It's not coming to you you need to go get it just like being a musician man, you got to go get it you can't ask. And you have to, you know, you can't wait around for it can't wait around it's not coming to you you got to go get it. Smart moves, you got to make smart moves. Gotta make smart moves. You can't be fucked up either. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's kind of what I was getting at earlier is this, you know, when I watch your videos the level of professionalism just, it boggles my mind and I don't know why I expected anything less but it's just one of those things you just never see it. I'll tell you why you expected something different. And I don't get this a lot but I get this and I'm actually starting to get this people think that I'm Bobby tongs sometimes making videos. No, no, no, no, no. This is that's Pantera man that's old, you know, that's the original crew from hell and, you know, that and, and, yeah, I mean they were suited out and fucking stone and, you know, drunk and, you know, I travel a great champion. He's out with us and he was dime's tech and he's on, he's, he's working with father Steve take care of Zach. So, yeah, we hear all those stories still, you know, shit and. Yeah, then fellas were lit. I took care of his, but they were lit. Right. And, and, no, we are not that, that same crew. Um, this time it's, it's top shelf text man, all of our people are our hand chosen top shelf cats and, uh, no, nobody's nobody's messed up. Yeah. Um, you know, and we have sober band guys Rex is sober Zach sober so it's not like you're not walking around with beers and, you know, it's just not what that is not to go into that for more than a minute here but, you know, they had to figure that out. And it was a big decision for them to, you know, feel better health, mental. The band members. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. For them to be where they are and doing this as well as whatever other things they have because they have other things. Yeah, they had to figure out their health, you know, sure. And also remember that, um, to relaunch Pantera tribute with what we're doing on this scale. Yeah, you have to weed out the fools and only get the guys that are going to show up and do their gig. Yeah. That's right. That becomes immediately apparent to me when I'm watching those videos. I'm just kind of all struck at the level of professionalism and, and, and I think it, you know, again, it's, it's to be expected, but you just never see it. So see thanks to your channel kind of brings it all. And I would say, you know, it's not unique to Pantera or Metallica. If you go see Taylor Swift or the doobie brothers or anybody that's putting on a big high dollar tour that's rolling around the country, you don't have time for the hangovers and the bullshit and the guy not showing up. Those guys on the side of the road. Yeah. Before you know it, right? Yeah. I love this point. I love this point. I was just going to say real quick. I'm not even trying to be funny, but the Swifties have no idea that a third or more of each ticket price is going to the shit that you're doing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Production costs. Sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, the crew is, I mean, Bobby, you're not doing this for free. No, no, I'm not. That's why it's pro. It's, it's, it's top shelf to not just like, oh, these guys are good. It's like, oh, these guys are the best in their field. I mean, I, and that's another point of pride for me with why I'm showing these guys and interviewing these guys because they're the best man. Wow. And they will, you know, you start talking to them and they'll rattle off these huge tours and things that they've been doing. And it's just like, yeah, well, that was 96 and 97. It was somebody else, some huge thing, you know, and I'm, I'm not jaded when it comes to that at all because I'm, I'm the musician. So I'm coming from the fact that like, Oh, shit, you've been doing this like hardcore since you were 20. You know, I've been, I haven't been guitar taking as a career straight up for these years. I, you know, I've been in the fans and, you know, even buses with down the plane, you know, but yeah, like, that, you know, Dean, Dean Olee, Dean Olee is to say it, you're in between things. Yeah, when you're over off to the side tuning guitars and setting up rigs and pulling wire and all that shit, you're in between things because you're a musician. Yes. And really there's nothing that I know better than a stage and what it takes to make a show happen. Amen. Whatever level. Yeah. I've been the sound guy, I've been the monitor guy, mostly I've been the guitar player. Hell, now I'm a bass player, you know, whatever. Yeah, I just, I, you know, stage managed down. I just, I know what it takes to make something happen. And it makes me really appreciate the quality of cats that are in this group crew from hell. They're just at the top of their game and things get done like clockwork. Yeah, you can see hollering and I'm not going to show anybody fucking up or, you know, hollering at somebody but, you know, you hollering somebody, but it gets done. It's just part of the job, you know, like any job, somebody's going to mess something up and it's like, all right, well, you just added 10 minutes to my thing, which is, you know, big deal 10 minutes, but now in the course of building the, what we're building and taking it down 10 minutes is a long time for some. That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of you mentioned playing bass, you actually got the play base on stage with Panterra when I sure did next was ill. I think it was in Chile. Yes. That had to be a trip. So tell me how that goes down. How much more did you have and what was, I mean, that crowd was huge. How much notice. We're at the airport flying from Brazil into Santiago Chile. I may have that light wrong but the show is in Santiago Chile. And I'm at the airport I'm sitting with Grady or Steve and able whatever just just bullshitting and I suddenly get a hand in my shoulders fill up he's like, Hey man. You play Cowboys from hell on base. I was like, fuck yeah. He's like right on. You're gonna have to do that tomorrow. I said, okay. And I didn't. I didn't know how yet. I never tried it. I just fucking died. You know, I'm like, okay. So the next morning I like took one of Rex's bases and I'm like, every chance I got during my day I'm like trying to figure. Okay. Okay. I mean the songs in my head and my heart but had I played it? No, but the reason that happened is because Rex tested positive for COVID and a couple of years back it may be the same now I haven't been back to South America since that but man random COVID testing if you test for temperatures high, you're like, we're sending you home. You're out of here. Wow. And Rex didn't want to leave of course not, but COVID he had no choice. So, Philip had been touring with the illegals and they've been doing Pantera sets, a vulgar display of Pantera. So he has a Pantera. He has a band that knows Pantera. So Derek Engelman was flying in. And he knew all the other songs but they never did Cowboys from Hell. So Philip asked me if I could. So I said, absolutely. So it got to the end of the set. And there it was. And I'm like, all right. So, yeah, man. I jump right out and start playing Cowboys from Hell and crisscrossing the stage with Zach Wild, man. I'm like, this is far fucking out. Wow. And it was amazing. How many people in that crowd. Do it. I don't even know. I heard word of 60,000. I mean, it's a huge soccer stadium for sure. But how I discovered this whole scenario and thank you for telling that story because it's a, it's a mother of a story is the video came out had to be the next day. I could have been that night or something. It was Carla Harvey, which is Charlie's fiance or why at this point. Yeah. And she's a bad motherfucker herself. So, yeah. So anyway, Carla's video comes up. And the video is going and the audience is just going batshit and you're bouncing and I see that smile and that white beard and there's zero, zero information as to why it's you and not. Okay, right. I'm reading him going. That's Bobby. I know that's Bobby. How come I'm not reading his name anywhere. I'm seeing them, seeing them, reading them, reading it. It's not anywhere. That's fucking Bobby. So I start. I think I texted you. I'm like, dude, and you were like, dude. Yeah. Yeah. And I never understood. I never understood why Bobby was only on for Cowboys because I was like, wait a minute. Did he play the whole gig? And if he only played one song, does that mean Rex played up until that point? And then Bobby stepped in. So, so Rex is gone and then the other dude from the goals. Yes. It basically plays the set and you come in and play the one song he doesn't know. Yes. Wow. Exactly. And the timeline. I learned it that day, man. Yeah. I was like, sure, I got this. Yeah. But like you said, phonetically, it's right there. Yeah. It's like a third. I think you probably would have done fine, just like if something worse would have happened and they would just handed you the base. Okay. You're playing Cowboys. Oh, no rehearsal. No. Yeah. Oh, there was no rehearsal. Well, you know what I mean? No, no, no, any chance you get not knowing you were going to have to do it at all. Yeah, that's sure. That's the thing. So had I had to do the whole set? I don't know. You know, I mean, I would have, I wouldn't have said no. I would have fucked up left and right. I don't care. That's who I am. Yes. I got this. Yeah. But Derek was badass. And he played a couple of shows because it was at the end of the run and. Yeah. So Derek stood up tall. He did a great job. And yeah. Well, it's good. It's good that that didn't have to happen more than that one time or four times or it's good. So, yeah. That's the story of a lifetime. Yeah. That's a, that's a big foot sighting. That's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. Okay. So, so to give everybody that's listening and watching a little bit of background as to how you got this gig, I'm going to run through the, like the cliff's notes version of it. And then you fill in any blanks I may be leaving out because I kind of want to cover the dots for people who may be thinking that you just walked into the show. Okay. So you're a local musician here in Austin. Yeah. But you have many bands, one of which is Honky. And my understanding is that when Honky would play New Orleans, the down guys would come see you. Yes. You got to kind of be friends with the down guys. Yes. Through that friendship, you started teching for Kirk Winston. Exactly. So you're out touring with down. Now you're a member of the touring crew. Yeah. Eric steps out of down at one point and you become the guitar player for down. That's right. And then obviously with Phillip singing for down there in lies the Pantera connection. And this was part of down as well. He came in a little later but yeah. So your buddies with Phil and Rex because of the connection to down. And that's how you got into this gig that we're talking about today. Yeah. Yeah. Kirk asked me to tech for him. And it stays right. And the gig was both Kirk and Rex. So I worked for both Kirk and Rex, when over the under came out that down record. They were on tour with Heaven in Hell, Dio Sabbath. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, so that's where I was at. I started with down in Australia. 2007, I think I forget exactly. So, yeah. So that's the relationship with Phil and Rex started with down. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. But now that the Pantera thing, nobody knew about it. And I was under strict orders, not to say a fucking word about it. And I didn't. But no, I got a call. I was working at the Gibson guitar showroom here in Austin. And, you know, COVID was, we had all been living through that and it was ending. People getting back to the real lives and touring started up again. And I just got a call from Rex, like, Hey, man. Pantera is going out. I need you, man. You ready? You want to do this? Like the fuck you talking about Pantera is going out. Yeah, I just, I didn't know. I'm like, Dude, I, I don't. Sure. I don't know what you're talking about. Pantera's like, look, Zach, Charlie. And I was like, Oh, I started. Okay. But you can't tell anybody. Okay. Do you want to do it? You're the first call I made him like, Yeah, sure. Let's do this. Yeah. And sure. Then after that, Philip calls and he's like, you can do it. I'm like, yeah, he's like, thank God. Let's go do this, man. So Kate and Philip and Rex, they pulled me in. But, and here I am, man, because of that. Yeah. And so everybody was handpicked for this. Zach's got his own guy, Steve, Father Steve, who's been with him for 10 years plus. But Grady's in because Grady knows Dime's tone and Grady knows a lot of the insights. He's our, he's our, well, he calls himself backline mom, but that's silly because he really is also a spiritual presence. I mean, it's Grady, man. I get it. It's a fucking dragon, man. I mean, he was in grade school with Dime. Right. You know, I mean, they, they, they were those guys, the oracle. So, yeah. So to have Grady out there so big for all of us. You know, and just, you know, random times you're having dinner, talking shit outside the bus. It was just like some story will come up. He's got them all. And he saw everything in the middle of everything. He's done some candid interviews, like professional, you know, not like our shitty little podcast here, but she, you know, he's done some, he's done some. He's done some pretty cool, like in depth, Dime's story after Dime's story. Yeah, man. And like from the beginning when they met and they were best friends and yay. And, you know, the whole thing, you know, like storyboard, if you will. And I sat and listened and watched that. I don't, I don't remember the name of the podcast, but I was like, damn, I mean, there was stuff on there. And there was stuff on there. I would have never known. Right. About there's so much. Yeah, it never ends. And it shouldn't. It's just, you know, there's so many stories. I've probably forgotten so much that he said. Already, you know, and Sonny, who's our LD, which is our lighting director. He's also from the original crew. And so, so, you know, because he knows all the cues and the points and, you know. Yeah, I mean, Sonny, Sonny's got stories like, oh, yeah, man. We mean, Rex, we're living in an apartment together. And, you know, we're just, everything was just starting. And, you know, when they're on the vans and the RVs, I mean, it was Grady and Sonny, you know, so we have them out with us as well. So, he told the story about it. And you'll, you'll probably recall this. Maybe not. Grady's telling the story about a Winnebago they had that already knows where you're going. No, no, not yet. There's a bunch of stories. It was a rental. And they did. They did return it. Yeah. Yeah. But it was like burnt to the ground. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Here's the Winnebago again. You know, we're here. We're turning it. But they like, you know, had to drag it onto the lot. And then they just ring the doorbell and ran kind of a thing. Right, right. Because it just was burned down. It was just shit. And it's real. You think Grady's telling you a story. You're going to do it no way, but way, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you do. You know, our end of tour pranks still a thing. Did you guys have any end of tour pranks with Metallica or any. We did with, we did with Lamb of God. They, they played before us for most of last years. I saw a tour. And it was the last show and our tour manager Meg get together with. I don't know. I think it was her idea. Whoever's idea was, but they got some lamb masks. And they were like, oh, hey, we're, you know, we're going to put on the lamb masks and we'll go out and, you know, dance in front of the band. Ah, this and that. And I was like, oh, that's cool. And they were like, will you do it? I was like, sure, I'll do it. I don't give a fuck and Grady is like, sure, I'll do it. Like, Oh, okay, cool. And I was like, I got a really good rapport with Lamb of God fellas because they're champs. And I got great friends with them now and their texts. So Carlos stage right crew stage right crew. He's over on the on the right. And I told them, I go, Hey, man. So last song or whatever. I'm going to put on a fucking lamb mask. And once you give me one of Willie's guitars and I'm going to go out there and like pretend I'm in the band. He's like, Sure, man. And so that's how that happened. So I got a video of that that Meg took, but that was a fun prank because they're playing and they're going on and like, Hey, also there's a fucking lamb playing guitar and they haven't done them between John and Willie. I'm like, Hey, what's going on guys. And they blew their minds. So that was funny. That was a I was a good one. But no, not with Metallica, not yet. I don't know if we will. We don't see them. The band does. And what I mean is that that's such an NFL stadium. They're up in the whatever room went there. That's not going to happen there, but we did with lamb and God. And I'm sure we're going to with other bands. But yeah, man, gags are good. Yeah. Well, that that's that brings me to my my next and it's my last question unless Jason has something. What's the future hold? Are you are you still you're you're obviously you just came back from a festival with Pantera. Are you still out with Pantera? Are there any more Metallica dates on the horizon? What's going on? There is a festival in Donnington, England. One of the biggest ones. All right, it's the racetrack out in Donnington used to be download, whatever that and so we have that next month. So we'll be headlining Donnington, and then we fly back from Donnington and I I rehearsed with the down fellas. We go right to New Mexico and play the down show. And then about two weeks after that we go to Barcelona to play another festival in Barcelona, one offs, but we go to Barcelona to play that festival. Then we're playing five more Metallica shows in August. So every Friday of August is a Metallica show. So we got that and that'll take us through August, September. There's another festival in the US. And then it looks like January is going to kick up. I don't know if I can talk about it yet, but it looks like. Exactly what it is. I can't say yet, but it's going to be some business kicking off for 2025. And it'll be January. So these Metallica takeover weekends make your schedule a bit spotted. Right. It does. It does. And we'll probably fly out on Thursday. Get to the show set up Friday and go. And then you go home on Sunday or and you come back home and then fly back out. So your home like four days working two or three. It would be just like that. Yep. Yeah. Cool. That's cool. Yeah. It is. And then when you, if you start up, you can't talk about it, but let's say in a regular, let's say you get going and you're doing a bunch of headline stuff. Is that like five on day off? That's buses and show two in a row. Okay. All right. Sometimes three. Okay. We haven't done any more than three in a row. I'm all about being comfortable, man. Yeah. No need to beat it up. Yeah. You don't need to beat it. Yeah. Nothing. And Phillips not trying to lose his voice. Right. Yeah. No, be smart. Be smart. And you know, have fun and smell the roses. Yeah. Right. I was going to say I was going to say I was happy to hear your rocking ham music as the background music in your video. Because Bobby is rocking ham and you put out an album and I love record. Yes. And so that's sort of the background music on the crew from hell. Yes. What happened is I'm like, all right, that video in particular, I just set up a camera on the stage right for the whole setup. It was our last show in Italy. I'm like, I'm just going to capture this. And I was talking about this earlier, but I captured the whole setup, sound check and everything happened from that one point. And I don't know I made a show out of it. I just spliced it all together. But how are you going to do it? You're going to have to fast forward. So you got the Betty Hill running around shit going on. And so like, am I going to get Betty Hill music because I'm sitting here editing, I'm going, wow, I can't have. So what the fuck am I going to do? I can't use Pantera music. I'll write something, fuck it. And whatever I do, I just call it rocking ham. So I just wrote a couple things like I drum machine and some riffs. All right, cool. I can take up this time. I got four minutes and 30 seconds to take up some time. So I'll just sit, grab a guitar and throw a drum program out and just rock for a few and there you go music. You know, it's just under it. So that's how I do that. And it suits it fine, man. It's great. Good. I didn't know how it was going to work. I'm like, it's even working, but I don't know. And I think it's working. I think the whole thing is working, man. I'm happy for you, man. Congratulations. Let me thanks. And thank you, by the way, because I think it really, like I said, I've said it numerous times during this episode, you really are offering an insight into the world that people don't get to see. Again, like I said, we've all been doing a million concerts. I don't think we have Lou takes to put on a show like that. And you're doing it at the highest level, especially when you're out with Metallica. I mean, it just doesn't get bigger than that. And so for you to share all that with us, it's just awesome. I can't encourage people enough to go check out Crew from Hell. Thank you. I know Crew from Hell 2.0 on the YouTube Bobby's channel. Thanks so much. I do appreciate everybody that is watching and it's a came out of nowhere, but I have a lot of footage I still have to put out. And once 2025 hits, well, I still got festivals and Metallica shows to do this year. There'll be plenty of stuff. I just don't want to get boring. I just want to keep it exciting. And, you know, the interviews are starting. It's getting better. All you're the guys on your crew are like, like you said early in this episode where they're starting to get comfortable when you walk in. Right. That's good. Or hide from me when they see me come to the phone. Either way, you can react and it'll be funny. You know, I just didn't want to be in the video. Whatever it is, you know, you'll clown around and find a way to make it work. So that's me. That part's easy for me. So that's what's making it work. Then fine. I got that all day long. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's good. Yeah. And healthy. I think that it's healthy. I do too. I mean, what a fun extra thing to add to all this. And like I said, it's just started is like, I just want to show people what the hell's going on around me. So, you know, turning it into a production like this and a YouTube channel. It's like, Oh, far out. Everybody gets to say, and I don't know if I'm crossing lines. I don't know if I'm not supposed to be showing this stuff. Well, nobody's given me any cease and desist. Yeah. Right. Right. You'll find out when you do. I know, right. You know, cease and desist. How about no, and how about sponsor me? You know, right. Hey, wait, was that your phone, Ryan? Oh, hey. Yeah, right. Got a deal in the works, right. That's right. It's dark calling. Yeah, man. It's getting on me. Hey, I will say this. I noticed real quick before we go. This episode with Bobby is our 200th episode. Yes. Yes. And we've had you on the show before back in the week when we first got started, but that's right. You are back for a second time and you're. I'm so glad I'm number 200. Yes, you are. Awesome. Thank you so much for for joining us. And thank you again for for doing your YouTube channel. Crew from Hell, folks. Crew from Hell 2.0 on YouTube. You get to see Bobby at work behind the scenes, putting up the massive big boy production of Pantera and Pantera, winning for Metallica. It's really good stuff. We've been with us, man. It's always great to see you. Thanks, dude. Yeah, absolutely. On behalf of my cohost, Jason McMaster, our metal date, their special guest today, Bobby Landgraaff on the top of the podcast. Every Wednesday, I'm putting out an episode. Look at every Wednesday. Yeah. Yeah. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] (dramatic music)
