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So I wanna thank social media cowboys for their continued sponsorship of the Confidence Through Health podcast. You can find them at social media cowboys.com, where you can find them as well with other sponsors at confidencethroughhealth.com. - So welcome Michelle to the Confidence Through Health podcast. - Thank you so much, Jerry, for having me on today. - So what I wanna talk to you about is obviously your specialty and what you're an expert in, but I think a piece of your story is something that I think a lot of people need to hear when they're looking at their life and what they wanna do with their life in, we can go down a certain road and then realize, oh, we're taking a hard U-turn to do something else because you started out as an architect, correct? - I did, yes. - And so like you had this, I'm sure this vision of like, I wanna go do this and be this. And then life said, here's something that's gonna be even more impactful for people. - Yeah, I mean, you feel it. And at the time, it feels kind of stressful to think of doing something different than what you're doing at the moment, but something inside of you just feels like it's not really your path. And it doesn't feel good when you're in it. And you're not supposed to be in it and you feel like you're like the best way I could describe it as like, I felt like I was wasting my time. - Yeah. - And then what's going? - No, I was just gonna say it's one of those things that it feels inside of you of just like this, it comes out of nowhere sort of, like all of a sudden you know how to do all these things in regards to like fertility in your instance. Like, all of a sudden all this stuff comes and you're just sort of like, where's this coming from? - Yeah, you just kind of feel guided, you know, to you feel called. And when you find something that you really are meant to do, I think it becomes effortless. It's even though there's effort in it, it's a little more effortless, it flows, it's easier. So you're still doing work, but it doesn't feel like work. It feels like there's a reason behind it, there's a purpose behind it. And that was a lot different in a sense. I'm grateful that I had the experience of not really being in flow because I know the difference. And I also doing something that really I'm not meant to do, like I could feel the difference of what it feels like when I actually am meant to do something. So I think sometimes the difficult things that we go through are there to show us more like what is aligned in our life? - Right, and can you look back now and look at that time in your life and pick like, not just not being in flow and not being like, I mean, I'm gonna assume not as happy as you are now, but just your overall health. Can you tell a difference between like what your overall health was then and what it is now? - Absolutely. I mean, that's how I really started because I had irregular periods, but I also interestingly enough, like I find out now as I'm learning that circadian rhythm disruption, like staying up late, having like really not the most aligned circadian rhythm can impact your menstrual cycle and vice versa. And it really does have an impact. I also think about how I felt emotionally, like the symptoms that I had, I had a lot of stress. Like I felt the tension in my body. It was like my body was telling me and I think that our bodies are very intelligent. They'll let us know if something's not right. And I think when you like work against yourself, you'll start to feel it in so many ways. And you think it's life happening to you, but it's actually kind of like the intelligence with a new telling you, hey, pay attention. Maybe this isn't right. You gotta shift a couple of things. And so yeah, I mean, no doubt I had so many symptoms. And then I went to an acubuncturist and he shifted things for me, but not only were my symptoms physically better, but I started to feel better emotionally and mentally. And it got me also stronger so that I was able to answer the calls or become more aligned or make decisions in my life that were hard, that seemed hard at first. And I think that that's what it is. It feels like a risk, but it actually is the best, the safest bet actually to do that and choose the right path for yourself. - And one of the things, 'cause I went through that myself is like leaving the corporate world and starting out on my own and initially, I'm sure you went through the same thing. I think most entrepreneurs do is like initially you're like, oh, wait a minute, where's the money gonna come from? Where's the like, I've got to figure this out pretty quickly because like it's, there's not just a paycheck that's coming every two weeks or every month, you know, it's like you've got to figure these things out. And that stress is different though when you're following what you feel is your passion and what you're called to do because you don't have that stress of the everyday day-to-day structure of it because that stuff is now fun. - Definitely. And the thing is too, it's not an overnight shift either. Like I knew I wanted to change this for a good couple of years while I was doing my old job, but I thought about it for a while. I allowed myself to kind of like think what's the best way 'cause it is important to come up with a plan that's realistic, but it also makes it easier if you know you're moving in a direction that feels much better. So that whatever you're going through right now is temporary and you kind of come up with a plan. So sometimes people do like hybrid, you know, where they're kind of like doing one thing and then also getting their feet wet or learning something else. So there's definitely many different ways to do it, but I think that ultimately the stress of doing something that you're not happy doing, like I just feel like we're not meant to be here if we're not doing what we're meant to do, like what we're called to do, what we're good at, you know? It's kind of like, it sort of suffocates our souls. - Right, so let's talk about that. Like how did you know, like obviously you went through your own issues as far as, you know, difficult periods, infertility or fertility issues. - Well, not really fertility at the time 'cause I wasn't trying to conceive, but yes, if I wouldn't have taken care of it, then it probably would have impacted my fertility for sure. - Right, but how did you know like, okay, this is what I'm called to do. Like you said you were thinking about it for a while, but what was the first piece of like, oh, a lot of people have this problem and I can help. So I think the big thing, I mean, for many years I was going really, we were talking about this actually in the pre-talk, like I was going to doctors and the only solution that gave me was the birth control pill, which never made sense to me. Never from the first time and I was 17 years old, I came in thinking, okay, I'm gonna get a solution. And when I was told that, I was like, why? That doesn't make sense. And the doctor said, oh, well, it's gonna give you regular periods. I'm like, okay, fine, but then when I get off, then what? You're gonna go back to what you are now. So I'm like, so what's the point? Like it never made sense to me. And I was like, that was my first taste of that aspect of conventional medicine 'cause it is an aspect that a lot of us don't intuitively feel like aligned with. It doesn't make sense. I'm like, everybody wants like a true result. Or a true, I guess not a cure, but like a plan, something that's gonna really make a difference. And that was not it. So for many years, I was doing that and then when I went to an acupuncture store, I found out about an acupuncturist. I was always intrigued about the idea of that. It just was interesting to me. I knew it was like thousands of years old. There was something about that. I think that resonated really and I felt, I felt like very cool to look into it. And when I went, the simplicity of it was what amazed me. It's complex yet simple at the same time. The symptoms are very low, like very barely any symptoms. It's a very simple technique, but yet it has powerful impacts. And so that helped me with my period. It was the first thing where I felt like I was getting a solution. - Yeah. Well, and you touched on something that I think is huge for all aspects of our life. And it, but health specifically, we've gotten into this really over the last 100, 150 years of, you know, oh, let's just find something to manage it. And okay, if it's at this level, I can manage that pain or that discomfort or whatever it is. And like you said, regularity, like I know exactly when it's coming. And so I was like, boom, I can handle that and let's move on versus what if there is a solution that actually takes care of it and/or teaches you how to manage it instead of with a medication or a supplement or something else that's foreign to your body? - Yeah. And suppresses really your body's like natural rhythms because that's what it does. So, and it just so accepted and so common that everybody just takes it. And I'm like, no, it doesn't make sense and nobody should really accept that. Like I just, I feel like, you know, we need to get to this place where certain things should just not be acceptable. I mean, that's the truth. I mean, I definitely don't always talk about this, you know, but I do have like sort of, I do have like a frustration with that aspect of what we are being given. You know, the things that we're being given are not real solutions. And, you know, we as humans are high quality creatures. We should have a high quality response and high quality treatment. You know, some things that really, truly address the body's needs. - Yeah. Well, and that's, I mean, that's it's something that allopathic medicine is just looking at it going like, okay, if we can, if we can put something in there that people can just manage, then when the next issue comes up, we'll just have another thing that they can then manage that and that's why I think people wind up with, I've got, I've got a client of mine that I'm helping with nutrition and exercise and he's in his late 60s. And we had this talk last week of like, oh, well, if you start doing these things, we can maybe get off of this medication or that medication and he's just like, really? - Yeah. - That I told me I was gonna be out there all my life. - Right. - And I'm like, no, we can get off of those things. And it's similar to like, there's so many ways around properly handling your menstrual cycle and the difficulties of it. If it's painful, if it's, you know, heavy, all those things, there's so many different ways to handle that where there's acupuncture, where there's nutrition and where we're combating though that just take pill. - Right. - Just get on this and just take a pill. Like you said, it may hide that for the short term, but when you wanna get off it and start your family's journey, the complications of however many years you were on it, compound and like you said, the original issues didn't go away anyway. - No, they don't, they just get covered. So it's almost like, I don't know if you're sweeping the floor, would you wanna just like get rid of the dirt or do you wanna just put it under the rug and keep it there? I don't know, it's just, so it's kind of like, let's just really address this and take care of it. But yeah, I mean, that really does happen. I see a lot of women that come to me after taking the pill consecutively for over 10 years and then not getting their period for nine months and then they're like, I don't know what to do. And they come to me and we work through acupuncture and herbs and eventually it does come back. But I mean, they're just alarmed. They're like, this is not normal. The doctor said I would get off of it and I can just get pregnant and they're ready to have kids and they're like, where's my period? What's happening? - Yeah, and it's good because the pills messing up all the hormones and all the natural cycles because it's trying to circumvent all of that and puts you on a, you know, an unnatural, chemically induced way of life. - Yeah. - And our bodies can't handle that. - Yeah, it's not natural for our bodies. Our bodies don't recognize things that are just not natural. And so that's the thing. And I remember I went on and like intuitively luckily, I got off of it a bunch of times 'cause I was like, I don't know that I should stay with this all the time. So I just wasn't as consistent, thank God. But yeah, I mean, it was like, nobody said that. Nobody told me, but if I would have just kind of, I could have just taken it all the time like 'cause that's what I was given, you know? - And I mean, I think a lot of people, especially people that are parents in the last probably 15 years, understand that the age that girls are going through puberty is getting lower and lower. Like, girls are going through it a lot sooner in life, which is in my opinion, not necessarily a good thing. Like they need more time to develop before they go through puberty and start having their periods. And, but with that, like what do you see is, is that a cause or a part of the cause of the problem or fertility issues that are going on? It's just that girls are getting their periods super early, which is messing up just the way their bodies have developed. - I think the most important thing really, I wouldn't say it's messing up the way they're developing 'cause I think that like the body's really resilient, it can get back into balance. But I think the reason why, I guess like the question is, is why are they developing so early in the first place? And one of the biggest reasons is that endocrine disruptors were surrounded by them. I mean, they're in plastics and cosmetics and products and cleaning products. And I mean, we're just constantly exposed to endocrine disruptors. And that basically, it's just, it confuses the body. So there are things like Zino estrogen that look like estrogen, they act like estrogen, but they're not. And they confuse the body. - Right. - And the body doesn't understand it because the hormones are incredible in the sense that they're like their program, programmers in our body. And each hormone has a specific program or it makes the body act in a certain way. So when that gets confused, it throws off the body's ability to, it's almost, it has a thermostat, the negative feedback loop. So it throws all of that information off because it has its natural rhythm. And then all of a sudden something else comes in and it's like, okay, well, I guess I have to shift from what I normally am doing to something else. And so I think that that's a big reason for why this happens. I think part of it's also EMFs were exposed to a lot more electromagnetic frequencies than we've ever been. That's just not natural. We're also exposed to artificial light at night. That's not natural, our bodies know day from night from light. And so when we're getting confusion, through artificial light that's not supposed to be there, that confuses our own circadian rhythm as well, which impacts, we know now, the menstrual cycle. - Yeah, and so how much of like our environment then, is it mostly our environment that's causing these changes that are, or is it, they've always sort of been there and we're just more open about talking about things? - Meaning what's always been there? - Like the difficulties with people having difficult fertility issues or difficult menstrual cycle. - I think it's definitely impacted by what's happening around us. I think that a big part, I mean, it's epigenetics basically. So you can have genes and the genes are gonna have their own blueprint and plan, but they don't necessarily have to express themselves in a certain way, but through healthy things, then certain genes can get suppressed and certain can turn on that are healthier versus an unhealthy environment, which can impact a completely different expression. - Right, so the best thing for like, I mean, anybody really, but especially for girls that are both going through puberty and so they're trying to get their bodies trying to understand what's going on, the hormones changing, but also as we're getting into that time in our lives where we're looking at, okay, I wanna start a family, it's time to get serious about, you know, planning this. 'Cause it's, we don't usually hear about those people that just like, oops, it just happened, right? Like most of the time nowadays, it's like serious planning, we're going to the doctor, we're trying to plan all these things out to make sure that it happens. It's far more frequent now that that's happening, whereas what we should be doing is checking our environment and being out in nature more and being out in the sun more and making sure we're getting our sleep, doing all these little bitty things. - Yeah, those things kind of get ignored. I think that the big things that everybody looks for is like medicine, perhaps diets, supplements, you know, like those are the big ones, like what to do, get the tests, all that stuff. But rarely do people really pay attention to the subtle things that they can do because they're so powerful. Sometimes I think we've kind of been programmed, I say programmed, we're conditioned to think that no pain, no gain, and that's not necessarily true. Sometimes it's the subtle things that are the most powerful and potent. - Right, right. And stress has a big piece in that too. - Oh, big time. I know a lot of people that have, you know, I was telling you before, but we adopted our kids after going through fertility issues and through being around other adoptive couples, it's very common to have a couple that's having infertility issues and they decide to adopt and then like very shortly after that, boom, they get pregnant because of the stress of like, I want to have a baby, I want to have a baby, I want to have a baby, I want to have a baby. It's time to start a family, I'm getting too old, all the different things that, you know, and of course, you know, grandparents that are trying to put pressure on like, where's my grandkid? Where's she? - Yeah, yeah. - And so there's a lot of pressure in life to start a family to a certain age and that stress level has a negative impact on the female's body in multiple ways, right? - And the men, both actually, you know, because men as well with them, they've seen like the nervous system dysregulation impacting sperm health as well. So it's really important to work on the nervous system and work on it regularly, you know, have a more, I guess, stress-free environment, but at the same time, I want to say, not to get stressed about not being stressed 'cause I think that that's like a big thing as well. And part of it is, is that when emotions are active, don't shut them down, allow yourself to feel what you're feeling. Once the emotions get active, that's not when you work on it or change it because if it's active, you need to validate. Like that's like my thing that I realized. So almost like when the wind blows, it's like trying to stop the wind, you can't do that. You just gotta let it move. - Right. - And I think that that's a big part of it is that we either have one extreme or the other, like people who are sort of, I guess they call it toxic positivity where you have to be positive no matter what. And then the other extreme is when you're really like stuck in the story. So, you gotta have balance for both of those. So allowing yourself to feel the feelings is important, allowing the energy to move through you 'cause that's how emotions wanna work. So giving yourself that space, creating boundaries, if there are relationships that are very difficult or if there's too much pressure from outside forces. And at the moment, sometimes we can handle the pressure, but sometimes we can't. So knowing really tuning in with yourself and asking, can I handle it? Can I not handle it? If you don't feel like you can handle it, create those boundaries. Don't go to the, what are they called? I don't know, I'm like blanking the baby showers or all of the things that bring up emotions. If it's too much to handle, protect yourself. Come up with an excuse. In this case, white lies are fine. You just kind of do whatever you need to do to really put yourself for us at that moment. And so having that, the boundaries where you need them and then allowing yourself to feel the feelings, but then also pay attention to your thoughts, become more mindful. What kind of thoughts am I giving myself or thinking? Am I thinking I'm too old? In many cases, it's actually not the case. What's crazy to me, and I like to talk about this often, is in the Guinness Book of World Records, the oldest woman to conceive, which is actually not that long ago. Like maybe 20 years ago or 10 years ago, I don't remember the exact date, but was 58. Oh wow. And had a healthy baby and gave birth. So those things are possible. And then there's, I always coupled that with the Roger Banister effect, which is the guy, I think it was the, was it the foreman or an agreement? The foreman mile, everybody said it was impossible. It was impossible, it was impossible. And you know what? The bottom line is what is possible. Like I think the only thing that makes things possible are not is our beliefs. Like we've overcome so many things as a species. I mean, we can overcome so many things. So once he was able, then other people broke that record as well, right after. And he was, you know, for many years before it was impossible. Within a month, I think what, four people broke that record? - Yep. - And how come all of a sudden everybody's breaking that record? The only difference is that they, somebody's heard about it and felt it was possible. And then the body aligned with it. - Yep. Well, and I think that's a huge piece. I'm a runner, so I know that story very well. I've used that story multiple times with people that I'm like, you don't think you can do this, but like, if you just have to envision that it can happen, and if you can tell your body, this can happen, you know, 'cause if other people have done it, then it's not necessarily like a human body situation. - It's not impossible. - Right? It's not an impossible situation. It's more of a, what do you think is possible situation? And so getting past that, but granted, of course there's also, there's obviously sometimes health issues, right? - Yeah. - There's things that are legitimate health issues. And so working with somebody who is looking at it from a holistic, ancient, you know, traditional Chinese medicine method, combined with your OB-GIN or your primary care physician and like combining those two, not necessarily taking one answer as gold. - Right. - But like looking at both of them and going, how can we intermix these two? - No doubt, for sure. And so of course with anything, you have to assess individual by individual case basis. And you know, really see, but I'm really talking about like this internal, like your internal wisdom or intelligence or intuition that's telling you, I'm pulled towards this direction. But then you have the other thing, but I'm too old or I'm too this or because the doctor said it, you know, 'cause sometimes it's not true. And I've seen it. I've seen it where it wasn't true. Not to say that they're wrong, but it's a human. You know, and everybody has a different opinion. And that opinion does not have to be your, you know, your future, basically your story. So I do see that a lot. And so it's a combination with getting your team, right? People who are aligned with you. And sometimes it's even switching doctors makes a big difference. I've seen that happen as well. So yeah, finding the right doctor is gold. And so I've seen that happen, but I've also seen, you know, within some of these people, this fire, and I had a one woman again, she was told by two different doctors that she couldn't get pregnant on her own and that she barely had any eggs. And she ended up having two kids after that, after that whole thing naturally, naturally conceiving. So I felt that fire in her, and I felt like that knowing. And so that knowing is also not random. I feel like that that's our body's communication speaking to us. - And it's important to listen to that, right? And I think a lot of people, a lot of people get in a situation where they don't listen because they don't want to hear it. They don't want to, you know, know that that's an avenue or that's a possibility. And I mean, I see this in all different aspects of life, but especially in the fertility world. Again, like I said, from being an adoptive dad, I've seen the infertility side of it with a lot of friends and people that we know. And it's amazing the mindset shift of, okay, well, you know what, I've made this decision, we're not going to have kids the natural way, we're going to adopt. And all of a sudden, like, bam, like all these things start lining up where it's like, okay, now that we've, now we've made that decision, it's going to happen. But the same thing can happen on the fertility side and on the understanding side of like, no, I've made this decision, this is going to happen versus being in that why, why isn't it happening? Why isn't it like that constant questioning is not good for not good for our brain, not good for our body, not because we're just putting ourselves in this stressful turmoil where it's really, we just need to make a decision one way or the other. Are we going to go for it and decide it's going to happen or decide something else that's going to happen? - Yeah, and I think that a big part of it is also self care and just allow, giving yourself that like breather from the stressors of it. Because I think it's, I mean, to some extent you can't avoid the stressors. So it's not so much about avoiding the stressors as it is adapting to them. And part of adapting to them is giving yourself those like moments of space or still doing things that you enjoy doing and not putting that on hold. Because I think it's human nature to sort of put everything on hold until we get what we need and then we give our self permission to have fun. So all of those things are important. It's just important to find balance really through the process. But it's, it could be a very challenging journey, I think just in general. - Yeah, so when you, you started having issues at 17, correct? Like you said, this like something's not-- - Actually 13, when I first got my period, I just wasn't getting my period for like three months in a row and it just wasn't normal. And I never regulated. It was just always like that. - Yeah. So you waited four years before you actually went in and said something's wrong. And like, I need, there's got to be a better way for this to happen. - Yeah, yeah. So I think my mom was concerned. She's like, okay, maybe we should go and see what's going on. And he gave me the birth control pills. And I was like, well, what's this for? Like I didn't know that it was ever given for periods. - Yeah. - Period issues. And so then I kind of tried it, went on and off. And up until 25, it was the same thing. Like my period off the birth control pill was never normal. - And so you looked at it though. You had enough of an instinct to say, okay, well, I could do the pill and it could be like normal according to the textbook definition. But this is not what my body is telling me is the right way to do it. - Yeah, it wasn't normal. I'm like, I think I need to address this. It was like something it was, yeah, was not right. - And so you found the acupuncturists, right? - I did. - And so you went through and like so from that process, like how, one, like how open, obviously if you had an open mind to it, but like, were you going into it going, this is going to fix my problem? Or like, okay, we'll try this and see, but it may not work. - I felt good about it. I was actually like really, I don't know, I just felt like I was like, this guy seems to know what he's talking about. He's asking me the right questions. He's really looking at it. I just felt really comfortable with the process. And I think somewhere in my mind or in my heart, I felt like it was going to help me. - Yeah. So how long did that process take before it was like, oh, wow, this is so much better of a lifestyle than what it was before? - Well, I mean, I got, I came home, I come, I created that day. So I was like, oh, that was quick. And I don't know if it was like, it relaxed my body, my body just released that, I have no idea what happened. But then I started regulating like really like right away. And I was like, this is crazy. And I think it is beginner's luck. I don't think that everybody really regulates as fast as I did. And I do see that with my patients, some people respond immediately and some people take a little longer. So it does happen. But I just started feeling like so good. I was like, this is almost immediately, I mean, I would say. - So yeah, so was it like, it was pretty immediate regulation or was it like a couple of months before it was like, okay, now we're slowly into a regular. - No, it was immediate. I'm starting to get it like every month. - Yeah. So was that the moment of the aha of like more people need to know this? - I think that it was just intrigued me. I was like, I want to learn more about this. It was just so fascinating to me. And I was just like, I feel like I really want to learn this. It was kind of like very intrigued about that. And then over time, it just kind of, you know, it led me to want to learn more. - Right. Cause it's, I mean, it's obviously a big difference between being an architect and going and becoming a fertility health expert and like diving into all that side of it. Now obviously being a female, you already knew some of obviously some of the stuff that's going on with menstrual cycles and all of that. Like just because I will say as a guy, I would think most women are probably more educated than me whether they're a fertility expert or not, just because they lived through it. But going through that and then saying, okay, this is now where I'm called to be to help people. Like, how did that, like, was it more of like, you just started telling other women, like as they shared their issues, you go, oh, well, this is what happened for me. This is helping. And then you started realizing like this is a much bigger issue than maybe most people believe. - Yeah, I mean, even at my school, I remember a lot of women there talking about their menstrual cycles and just different things that weren't specifically mine, similar to mine, but it was just so many other issues that people had that I was like, yeah, I mean, this is definitely something that a lot of people can benefit from and nobody really knows the solution exists. - Right. And that's really the biggest, like, when you look at fertility in, especially in the US, the rates of infertility are increasing. - Yeah. - And I've seen different stats that they look out and say like by 2050 or 2070 or like all these things, like it's going to, it's just becoming increasingly more difficult to get pregnant through a natural way. Like without using any kind of, whether it's medication or in vitro or any help, it's becoming more and more difficult to do. But that's mostly because of menstrual cycles just being messed up, right? - Well, not necessarily. It's not just menstrual cycles. It could be so many, so many different things. Sometimes menstrual cycles look normal, but then people aren't ovulating or sometimes they're completely normal. But then they're like tubes are blocked or there's so many different things that can come into play. - But obviously if you're not menstruating properly, then like you're not going to get pregnant. - Of course. - The chances are very rare that you're going to get pregnant if you're not, if you're not menstruating properly. And so if you're having difficulty or you're having any kind of symptoms, right, then it's a sign that something could be off. - It could be, yeah, absolutely. And so with an acupuncturist or Chinese medicine practitioners, they'll look at the subtleties. Sometimes that won't get picked up on labs with doctors. - Because a lot of times doctors are looking at it just from the standpoint of like, what's normal? And you could be normal, but that's because normal is not right right now. - Yeah, it could be subclinical. Like you could be having issues that aren't really showing up, you know. - Yeah. And so like you said, so they're going to look at the more subtle things. And like you said, in your case, they're going to ask you questions that maybe your doctor's not asking you that they're going to start setting off triggers in your head of like, oh, whether it's nobody's ever asked me that or wow, that actually fits one of the issues I'm having. And so looking at that way of it in like I said earlier, like combining that with your OB gen and saying, okay. And so a lot of times though, you're going to have to find an OB gen that's open to like that clutter. - That was just early. I mean, I think you could, sometimes you won't. And I think knowing that you can get certain things from one doctor and then other things from another type of doctor is also important because otherwise it would be kind of an uphill battle sometimes to find people who, or to just at least in the back of your mind, understand that they have a perspective and it's not the full perspective, but it's a perspective which can be very helpful in many cases, but it's just a specific perspective. - Right. So when it comes to like that traditional Chinese medicine, like why is it just because it's been around for ages and ages that it's just been developed and passed down in just having a longer time period to figure out the subtleties of it that it seems to work a little bit better because it's not just infertility. I know that it works better in so many different areas of healing. - I think the biggest thing, and I don't know, a lot of it we really don't know, like because it's been sold, but a lot of material was lost, is that they also look at nature. They look at like the laws of nature and apply that to the body. And I think that that's something that will never really run out of style, like go out of style. It's like nature's nature. - So with understanding that it's been around for such a long time, we still wanna make sure that we find it a good practitioner. Right? It's not just anybody that practices it. So it's like you still wanna go in and have your alarms set off of like, oh wait, this sounds like it's a snake oil versus a true practitioner that's doing it. - So you wanna find somebody who specializes really in what you're looking for, and also somebody who you're starting to feel better with. The good thing about it is that you're not gonna get major symptoms from, it's side effects. You might get symptoms as you're healing, but that can happen. There's a period of time as your body's regulating, but how do you feel? That should be your barometer, just see how you're feeling from the treatments. And if you're feeling better, then that's your person. - Right. And like you said, side effects. I know my 14 year old daughter, whenever she hears a commercial about medication or something, she knows. And part of it's 'cause she lives with me. And so she's like, all these side effects when she hears a medication. And she's like, why would anybody ever take this? - Yeah. - I'm like, yeah, I know. Like, you know, they're side effects versus like, like you said, it's with acupuncture, you may have an initial like, oh, a discomfort because your body's releasing something, whether it's emotional or a physical, but typically you're not gonna have a side effect that's gonna be like, oh, it may cause heart disease. It may cause high blood pressure, you know, all these different things. So, Michelle, so how can people find your book, get in touch with you if they want to say like, okay, I'm dealing with issues. I need to know more about what she's doing so that I can find out how to help myself. - Well, the easiest way is to go to my website, MichelleOrbits.com. And on there, you can find the book, which is called The Way of Fertility. And my Instagram at the Wholesome Lotus Fertility. And yeah, that's the easiest way to find me. And then I have a fertility podcast, which you can also find the website. - Awesome. And I'll link those in the show notes so they can get to them quickly and easily. So, is there anything as we close up? Is there anything that we haven't touched on that maybe you'd say, like if somebody's out there and they're struggling with just, you know, that heavy menstrual cycle or not a regular menstrual cycle, you know, there's like, I need to find answers. I'm scared to talk to somebody because it seems like it's a hush hush. Nobody really wants to know about this. Like, what do you tell that person to help them find an answer? - I would definitely say, I mean, there's like a number of books that they can read about really understanding their cycle. And then also taking charge of your fertility. It's like a classic that they can look in and like really learn how to track their cycle. But there's a lot of people out there, a lot of practitioners like myself or people who are doing nutrition or online consultations. So I would definitely say this is a great time to look into that and you'll find a lot of people. - Yeah. Well, awesome. Well, thank you so much, Michelle. It's been great. - Thank you so much, Sherry, for having me on. - Of course. Thanks for checking out the Confidence Through Health podcast. Please subscribe, post a review, share this episode with those you love who need a little extra help with their health journey. Visit AllInHealthInWellness.com to learn more about the coaching programs that I provide. All episodes are produced by the social media cowboys, your source for all online marketing needs. Go to socialmedicowboys.com for more information. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
Did you know that fertility issues are skyrocketing over the last few decades? Some researchers are predicting that in just a few more decades, women will not be able to become pregnant without some type of artificial help. Michelle Oravitz shares how women (and men) can take control of their fertility by taking control of their health and daily lives.
