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Beyond the Blockchain 7-23-24 panel host Sierra Catalina, Tyler Boscolo podcast host UnleashingDePIN
to be on the block chain with Scott Tindall and discussion of blockchain technology cryptocurrency and why it matters to you. We're going to talk all things blockchain technology cryptocurrency why they matter to you. We got a couple guests on Sierra Carolina is going to join us like always also got Tyler from unleashing deep in a really interesting podcast. So that's going to be a lot of fun as we move into some of the news obviously that the news has been it's been quite a rough seven nine ten days here in the world of life I guess the story of America. But a couple of interesting things have come through the SEC approved a spot ETF for Ethereum and that has gained over a billion dollars in the first day. So that's a pretty big number. So that's really interesting and then we also have news that both President Trump and JD Vance want a Bitcoin reserve in Nashville and it's been rumored that Kamala Harris is going to speak at the Bitcoin conference next week. So the strong yeah so that that's going to be a while there will be a lot to report next week following that experience this would be interesting. Yeah that's going to be really interesting tonight on the show when we have Tyler on here in a little bit we're going to be talking about unleashing deep in and as y'all know deep in his decentralized physical infrastructure networks. And you know I don't know if you saw the crowd strike crash of course you did I'm sure that's a perfect example of the failure of systems that have single points right so we call single point failure a decentralized system can't get broken like that. This is one of the benefits of decentralized systems and if any of you follow my LinkedIn I wrote an article today on the benefit of decentralized systems and how the crowd strike but the lessons we can learn from the crowd strike failure and how do we make sure that doesn't happen again. You would think with a name like crowd strike that they were already decentralized they were not in the narrative they were not. Yes yeah you would think so but that's not how it worked out and it ended up causing billions of dollars in damages to these companies. There are still people we're four or five days in that are stuck in airports. They've been there the whole time can't get new flights can't get a rental car just kind of stuck. I see it there was actually an article just 36 minutes ago says Delta's recovery still turbulent and it talks about the fallout from the tech outage and says Delta has been the slowest airline to restore its operations. 145 flights had been canceled as of 11 o'clock today. Wow yeah they're claiming as of 11 o'clock today it was over 163 million dollars in lost revenue. Wow yeah I heard people that were coming back from the RNC one guy drove back George and the other people that were coming back from Milwaukee they just landed yesterday and he drove back Saturday or came back Saturday. I didn't realize George drove up there good on him. He's like I'm just going to take it in my own hands and go hit the road. Folks if you're listening you're having a little trouble hearing us or you're trying to listen to live stream we did have a lightning strike today. But it should be back on but I don't know it should be good to go but you know we'll see we always like to have a good time either way. So also on the show tonight we're going to go beyond beyond the blockchain and we will be sadly without our fearless beyond the beyond guru Johnny Gwen. He's on vacation this weekend well deserved vacation so you know good good for him. And I think we all should take a vacation this para man he is expert on a lot of things and he always brings a lot of fun and joy to show. Always keeps it lively and keeps us laughing which is what we'd like to do we'd like to have a good time we want you to learn something but you know we want to have fun too. Is that the retreat he was talking about? No the retreat was a couple weeks ago I think this is a vacation he's going on with his wife so but yeah Johnny did do a silent retreat at a well it wasn't a monastery but it was a Jesuit. A facility a couple weeks ago and you know to get Johnny not to talk for three days that's that's a miracle on its own. All right he's just being blessed for a saint that's one of his three miracles he needs. But as we come back on the show here we're gonna have Sierra Catalina join us. We're gonna have Tyler from Unleashing Deedid when we come back we'll be on the blockchain. Welcome back to Beyond the Blockchain with Scott Tindall. If I was to welcome back into the show we're happy to have you here with us. And as always we got Philip on the board keeping us between the white and yellow and Sierra Catalina here with us as well. Hey Sierra how are you? Hey y'all I'm good. Good thanks for joining in again this week we always love to have you. You're basically the co-host now so we need to change the bumper you know just to go ahead and make it legit. But we are glad to have you here. And Sierra we're gonna be as you know we're gonna be talking about something you're really familiar with which is deep in the decentralized physical infrastructure networks and why that matters. And we're gonna be joined by Tyler from Unleashing Deedidid Tyler are you there? I'm here can you hear me okay. We can thanks for calling in man we appreciate it. Hey Tyler. Yeah it's gonna be fun. Our listeners have a pretty good understanding of deep in. We talk about it pretty regularly on the show. Specifically helium, helium mobile, hive map or demo some of those. But I know there's a lot more out there in this world. There are a lot more projects that are taking place that are growing. Give us a little update on the state of deep in and tell us a little bit about your show and how people can find your show. Sure absolutely well like I said thanks again for having me on the chat. Maybe I'll give a quick introduction kind of background and then I'd love to chat about some projects that are doing really cool things that I'm super excited about. I started in kind of the space went through more generally back in 2017 working around the centralized identity. And then it wasn't until the actually after the helium kind of big bull market happened where I really started getting kind of interested in at the time what was called DUI. We hadn't really formalized this decent term there was sort of different names going back and forth but there was actually ironically another project which is no longer with us. I'm not sure if you've chatted about this on this year is intimately familiar but it was a project called Paul and who was really they were sort of on the cutting edge of pushing some of these these decentralized 5G. A concept of notions that have become somewhat commonplace now with helium mobile and whatnot. But to make a really long story short it was somewhat synergistic somewhat complimentary to what I was doing in my day job and I thought man this is really compelling very interesting. And so I kind of went all in and there's always this kicking drive in the back of my head to do a podcast and I thought hey this might be an interesting space and two years into it now. I've had the pleasure of chatting with pretty much every you know big project out there. There's still a lot of awesome ones that I've yet to chitchat with but you know that's kind of how I got into it. There are so many awesome deep in projects out I couldn't even begin to explain I think we're up to 700 or 800 projects that are in the space now. But but you know just to give a little overview of a couple of the projects that I've been really interested in one of the things that excites me about deep in obviously is the kind of the wireless aspect you talked about helium but the projects out there that are sort of leveraging this model to help you kind of good for the world over and above just creating a really great business. One of those projects that we had on recently was a project called Wayru which is helping connect on the unconnected which is an amazing mission and they're doing a pretty great job of that using deep in another project that we had on recently is a company called Actress which is they're taking tech waste basically useless phones with broken screens that are lying around and then they're repurposing them for decentralized compute which is pretty amazing. So anyway how long would you seem to say I'm super excited about all the growth and the traction that's happening and I'm sure we can dive in a little bit further. Yeah that's really helpful and in your right it's overwhelming to try and know everything about everything people ask me about a crypto project sometime and I'll tell them there were over 2 million cryptocurrencies in the world. I can't possibly know all of them but I tell people to when you're trying to and this makes sense in the deep in space right when you're trying to analyze a crypto project the best thing to do is treat it like you would a startup and analyze it the same way you would a startup because that's essentially what it is right analyze the team behind to analyze the fundamentals analyze the problem they're trying to solve. Is there a problem they're trying to solve or did they create a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. And I think what we're seeing in the deep in space since here you and Tyler can go have more technical knowledge on this but that's where the deep in space leads the market is here's a problem we're trying to solve it. Here is our solution rather than trying to engineer a crypto solution to a problem that may or may not exist. Is that fair? I think that's really well said Scott. I'll start here and go ahead I want to I want to hear your thoughts before I just set my own. It's okay I was just going to say to our listeners hearing I echoed my echoing for you guys. Sorry. Okay sorry for listeners. What really sets the pin based crypto projects apart from like your your mean points if you will is that they are solving real world problems and using physical work. So not dissimilar to Bitcoin kind of founded the idea of proof of physical work but deep in projects are proof of physical work that actually solve real world problems. And I'm excited to talk about one of the ones that we weren't messaging back and forth a bit today. I know that you brought up Tyler which is I lengthy oh I haven't heard of this yet but it looks really exciting. They're crowdsourcing noise of pollution that end users can can monitor noise pollution on their cell phones through a nap and rewarding them with crypto. That project looks really cool to me. Yeah that's fascinating I'm not familiar with that one either Tyler can you give us a little bit of update on that project. Yeah absolutely and and by the way I think both of your explanations about deep in or both spot on and certainly one of the things that from a person who's kind of been around crypto for a few cycles now you certainly see the the value in the fact that these projects aren't just out to develop some new fancy financial tool that isn't all that useful or applicable to the majority of people but even is quite the antithesis of that and actually solving your problems but to specifically answer your question around Valencia. Yeah it's a super interesting project that I had on the podcast back in November I want to say. And one of the things that I love about getting to interview all these different projects is that I get exposure to problems that you don't necessarily inherently know our problems but when you sort of take a step back and you think. Oh you know noise pollution it's a real problem that you know a lot of us who live in cities and what not deal with on a day to day basis. And so basically the crux of their solution is their father was somewhat hearing impaired or had issues related to noise pollution and they basically built an app that is using everybody's smartphone that's in your pocket to essentially map decibel ratings within different locations. And that data is actually quite valuable to different aggregators and different companies you might think of like a hotel aggregator for example that's something that they could sort of sell as a point of value for a hotel or if you're thinking about a condominium complex, you know a building on the condo on the 10th floor might have quite different noise decibel ratings and a building or a condo on the 20th floor for example and so in a nutshell is exactly as Sarah said they're allowing users to sort of contribute decibel ratings it then becomes a value add to someone like a hotels calm or a Zillow or a redfin and so it becomes this mutual value exchange where data buyers are able to aggregate and get something that otherwise would be quite challenging to be able to create on their own and then users are able to get compensated in a token for essentially leveraging hardware that they already have sitting in their pocket so it's one of those things where again you don't really think about it being a problem until you realize that there's actually quite a lot of costs that goes into this kind of noise pollution problem and so they're taking a deep in approach at solving it and doing a really great thing. One other point I might add to is that there was a call at a web to company trying to do similar things and when I chat about the fluency of founders back in November and six months they had collected more noise data than this other company had done and something like 12 years so it just went to the value proposition of leveraging kind of a demand and supply side model that rewards network participants and it's so much more effective than anything we've seen in the past or historically so it got me really excited I love what they're doing it's also a product that you don't need to buy dedicated hardware you can leverage something that you already have in your pocket so I think from that standpoint it's pretty exciting as well I think that's really cool yeah the first two things that come to mind right there is like if you're in Chicago depending on how close you are to the L no and how loud the public transit is going to be right if you can tell somebody hey we're two blocks away but our sound rating is this and the other thing I think about our urban airports here where I'm from in Mobile we're moving our airport from the West perimeter of town right next to downtown and so being able to monitor what the noise pollution sounds like how loud are the aircraft how loud is the airport I think that's going to have a huge impact on property value so I see this as a very valuable resource and you know you don't have to be in a giant urban center like Chicago you can be in a mid-sized town like Mobile and it still makes sense right we're connected to the port we're connected to the airport I want to know what my noise pollution is going to look like if I'm living downtown Absolutely yeah I told you that their data visualization is so cool I guess I was passing around on their site earlier today and what they do with the data to visualize the sound in certain geographic areas is just really interesting to look at me Yeah it really is it's definitely I like to think of it as sort of the unknown problems of the world that certainly do you need to be solving and you love to have novel approaches to that and in a way that again benefits I think is a huge value and it sort of raises our shift along with it yeah you know one of the things I like about this entire conversation we've had is at no point have we talked about token price token movement we've just talked about utility and that's what we really like to focus on on this show because you know we talk a lot about you got to worry about the things you control not the things you can't control well you can't control those outliers you can't control if you're contributing to the project you can't control if you're adding data if you're getting rewarded all those things are within your control and this is not a you know we're not putting the lottery here we're just trying to get rewarded for the the work that we're putting forth the data that's getting added into the community and I think that's a really great way to look at it I totally agree Scott it's one of the reasons why there's a few projects that I've had the pleasure to chat with who are also taking a similar approach with respect to lowering the barrier to entry for users that don't require the hardware cost you know we talked about the active example which is leveraging or sort of reusing these these phones another project that the last company that we actually had on the podcast was a company called Wayru and I started a conversation with got a bit of an affinity to kind of the wireless side of the it's a defense related to my day job and something I find interesting at a company called Drenum but Wayru is doing a really great job of trying to connect the unconnected and while they sell hardware that's sort of a Wi-Fi access point that allows users that have the apps to roam onto the network akin to like a helium mobile on the wireless side or maybe like X net for data offload with 5G they actually also have something proprietary called Wayru OS which allows people with existing networking equipment to sort of reflash it and repurpose that to join the network which creates a super low barrier to entry so you can take hardware that you already have your house presumably powering your Wi-Fi and then get compensated in a network token by creating this sort of ubiquitous coverage and public goods for everybody that's an ecosystem participant on kind of the access app that they offer so I really love these projects that are reducing the barrier to entry and allowing people to earn and participate and if anything else just be a part of something that's bigger than themselves and does good for the world because I think we can all agree that ubiquitous connectivity is pretty important problem that needs solving and so you know we talked about Valencia and all these other projects but it's really cool for me to see founders that are taking the model and they're doing it in a way that makes it accessible for everyone so it's something that I'm personally really excited about because it's important yeah that's awesome and that's a great way to head into the break folks we're going to head into the break and pay some bills here but when we come back we're going to come back with Tyler and Sierra we're going to talk more about welcome back to Beyond The Blockchain with Scott Tindall if I was welcome back into the show we got a great show for you tonight we've been talking about deep in and unleashing deep in we've got the host of the podcast unleashing deep in Tyler here with us he's also as always from the New Jersey studio I have Sierra Carolina joining us I know some of you are probably wondering where's JJ and Johnny going tonight is on a well-deserved vacation so we're happy that him and the Dr. Lady well-born can have their vacation together this one that's right Tyler this it was a good good segment man I really appreciate you telling us what's going on I really like learning about Selencio are there any other projects that are top of mind for you or ones that you just think need extra attention and for us to talk about more sure I guess so but the list is so long it's almost hard to take favor well we don't want you to do all 700 tonight but you know I'll do a speed round for everyone well a project that I don't think necessarily need more exposure by any means they are sort of the king of deep in but I actually had the pleasure of getting to chat with the Helium Foundation today on the podcast which so for a little bit of alpha episode is coming soon here nice and one of the things that's been really interesting for helium super folks who are you know been kind of following the space a little bit helium started off building an IOT network and sort of the single bore when and it's really great for IOT that they sort of expanded into offering 5G with helium mobile but recently there's been another expansion to a new what's called a sub-dow and it's specifically for energy and so the energy side of it's really interesting but I think what's more interesting is that helium is sort of in the process of turning from a project that was trying to proclimate this decentralized wireless and is turning into sort of a deep in for deep in it's like the network of networks right yeah and so you know the helium model has some things that are pretty unique to it one of it is modular governance you know and I think that's been a real driver of their success because it's been important for sort of ensuring the decentralization of not only the network but sort of the network to participate participation with folks who are deploying other stakeholders and whatnot and so I don't know what is necessarily ahead in terms of other verticals that they're going to be getting into although I know that there are other projects that are going to be sort of turning into a new sub-dow within the helium network and leveraging that modular governance for their their platform and for whatever they're building out so I think it'll be interesting to see how that sort of manifests over time especially given the success of things like mobile and now that they have this energy play going on so well it's a project that doesn't really need much attention because I think everybody is familiar with helium at this point I'm pretty excited to see what happens they're moving forward because if they're able to be what they've done with you know kind of IOT distribution or sort of war ran and then the mobile I think it'll be pretty exciting with these other business models whether that can compute or the like so that's something that I think folks should keep an eye on because there'll be some interesting developments and I think the near immediate future here I think that's a great point we've had a lot of guests from helium on Joey Hiller from the foundation and we've had Mario on I saw a tweet from a mirror today the CEO of helium saying that there was someone that would be applying to join the helium ecosystem or was applying and he didn't really do anything more than tease it but to your point it's just a tremendous amount of growth opportunities inside of that ecosystem Sierra what are you seeing let's just take on X what are you seeing is the is the temperature of people toward deep in right now I think that more people are joining the ecosystem every day and it seems to be finally becoming a more familiar term than I don't know almost two years since we coined the term deep in after dy it also was called tip-in briefly I remember the tip and there were too many memes yeah there were too many memes yeah tip-in was a token incentivized physical infrastructure network which is a multiple hence the acronym so I'm glad they landed on deep in and yeah I've just I've seen more and more projects taking on the the token incentivized physical infrastructure network and Tyler you're seeing some of that growth as well right when you're monitoring this and seeing those now over a hundred thousand users helium over a hundred thousand users I may be I may be short on some of those numbers but yeah I've mapped her I mean I think we're seeing tremendous growth in these places and to your point earlier about Selencio there's a market that wants this data it's not just data for the sake of data or crypto for the sake of crypto what do you see is the future of the market of users who are using this data in their to better their day-to-day lives yeah that's a really great question Scott I think that is certainly one of the most promising components to this sort of deconsector more generally is that a lot of the projects that are coming out and having a lot of success are doing a good job and they're smart in how they're thinking about managing the supply of the man it's not just one side edge for the sake of you know doing something because it seems interesting or cool and the landscape is interesting it's a bit bifurcated in the sense that you've got projects that are really intentional around either creating data that has a very clear buyer so if you look at the like the Valencia of the world or another project that we have in the podcast there's a company called WingBiz and they're sort of crowdsourcing this flight tracking data it's very explicit what the other side of that looks like then you've also got this other class of deep in projects where they're building sort of well the infrastructure is otherwise sort of held by incumbents or ran by incumbents you know the wireless example with mobiles probably healing mobiles probably the best one it's driving down costs out of the out of the system it's sort of democratizing ownership so there's I would say there's somewhat two categories of deep in projects where one is clear supply and demand instead of because you know the buyers on the other side the others are creating sort of democratized ownership over this infrastructure that instead of it being held by Verizon and mobile that they can price gaps their customers into oblivion because there's really no other options these decentralized models are able to come in and they're able to provide arguably a better service for a lot lower cost to the end customer and so that in and of itself is a benefit but then they can also do things like having more robust network where it's not subjected to some of the potential vulnerabilities centralized systems have and you see that across industries but wireless whether that's energy whether that's even things like compute when you think of how much of the world is ran by AWS or Google Cloud or Azure and so I think that I'm equally as interested in the projects that are creating sort of the supply for the data where the demand is already there and then projects that are just creating better versions of infrastructure where there's already users that are accustomed to tank or a phone plan that they're you know you're a developer and you're accustomed to paying your crazy AWS bill to Jeff Bezos every month and so those those things get me pretty excited personally but there's certainly with specific with respect to a specific question most of the founders that are coming into the space that I've seen and they're leveraging this model have personal history with the problem problems the pain points that are existed by the legacy you know examples of the incumbents and so it's there they have a very clear mission on what they're solving and how they're getting there using deep in and so that kind of supply demand you know by burn I want to call it that is almost baked in to how they're approaching the problem set and I think that's it's definitely unique and crypto because we haven't really had that for a lot of the history of the space but you know you're seeing the real time supply and demand balance between projects across industries which I think is really really exciting yeah I think that's a great point what we're going to see across all of this is people being able to leverage their own data and monetize their own data and that's kind of like what we think about on the show is like the key of web 3 is I can monetize my data control my data and instead of you know Jeff Bezos or Margaret Zuckerberg he was making money off me providing my data for free I can start to leverage it. And so I think that's what we're seeing here across the deep in spectrum I can't tell you how often somebody says well tell me about this helium or helium mobile or what does that mean how do I get involved you mean I just sign up and you know the way we win is when people don't realize that they're onboarding to a blockchain or crypto project. Self-money they just feel like they're onboarding right it just feels seamless to them the user interface is seamless. We don't have to go to Metamask and move money from here to there to do this next thing when it's seamless to the end user we will get far more mass adoption and I think helium mobile has done a good job with that with our sign up kind of interface and sounds like Slencio is in the same thing and I think that's where we win. When it's just seamless a lot of people you know we got people to listen to this show because they're interested but the giant general public they just want things to work. They don't care how it works they don't care why it works they just wanted to work and they wanted to be better and they wanted to be cheaper. And deep in is trying to solve those problems. And then you know I think one of the really interesting things got to your point about helium mobile is that in a lot of respects that value exchange is the mutual one where if you look at companies like to mobile and Verizon they've gotten fine so basically stealing user data when the reality is that user data is valuable to the company but it benefits the user and so helium flipped it on its head where they said hey will compensate you in this token to be able to help us know where we need to deploy hardware and so it sort of creates this ever growing feedback loop to be able to create a better experience for users while simultaneously reward them for it. And then on the other side helium knows where they need to incentivize deployment so that the networks better it's just it's so funny how the you know the incumbents and the legacy players have tried to extract so much out of it that it makes it very you know one sided and also it undermines their ability to actually succeed and so I love examples like helium that you pointed to where they're letting the value accrue across the sort of the group of stakeholders and it's a win for everybody involved. It's something better and more equitable and everyone wins as a result. Yeah that's a great way of summing it up actually and Tyler you sound like you've been doing radio for 100 years man leading us right into the break on perfect timing. When we come back on beyond the blockchain we're going to go beyond beyond the blockchain and we're going to talk about the apocalypse apocalyptic movies. You know we'll see where we go. Welcome back to Beyond the Blockchain with Scott Tindall. Hey folks welcome back to Beyond the Blockchain here with you. Telling you all about blockchain technology cryptocurrency why it matters to you AI machine learning any other thing we find interesting we got Sierra Catalina with us tonight as always we've got Tyler from unleashing deep in podcast and team it's time to talk about the apocalypse. But you know we had this thing this week with CrowdStrike where all kind of systems went down right we had airlines going down we had police departments going down we had EMA's we had traffic lights no voting machines everything you could imagine well thankfully it wasn't a voting day. But you know we had everything you could imagine start to fail and it started to help me think about the single points of failure we have but also how much we rely on technology just for our day to day being. So two questions I want to ask you what happens when our AI overlords decide that we're no longer necessary into what is your favorite apocalyptic movie. Tyler you're the guest you get to go first. To be honest with you I think the only two kind of apocalyptic movie that I've actually seen are 2012 and I am legend by Will Smith but that as far as my movie career is gone with respect to apocalyptic scene. Both are good nominations so you're two for two you're two for two on that one. Sarah what do you say what do you. Well my favorite is like almost a little too real right now but isn't that I mean it's amazing how much reality is starting to resemble sci-fi but I think one of my all time favorites is the children of men which if you're not familiar with it is a post-apocalyptic scenario where the fertility rate or the ability for humans to reproduce has literally fallen off we're not having babies at all any longer. And there's the first pregnant woman in I believe 10 years and they have to get her to safety and just like a war torn world that knows that the population is dying out. And yeah but with the recent drafts in fertility rates that one is a little real I think about it a lot. It reminds me of the show that's on Netflix what's the one about the tooth the bare tooth of tooth a sweet tooth sweet tooth yes so similar right so this this virus starts taking over and the only babies born after the virus takes over these hybrids that are part human part animal with each baby being a little different some are 90% animal 10% human some are 10% animal 90% human that's an apocalyptic show that's crazy one of my favorites is the road do you remember that one from like 2009. Oh yeah I love that when I first read that book and I was like this is like depressing why can I not put this book down and then I just kept going. It's Cormac McCarthy right so he's got plenty of you know versions of that story but I think the road for me was the one that really I think it's because I was just coming out of law school when this came out and I was exploring the world and thinking about new things and then it's like you're optimistic in the get slapped down with this the story of the apocalypse and you're like wow but Cormac McCarthy's genius he's also he was the one that wrote no country for old men Tyler you probably haven't seen that one but the next time you go watch a movie that's a good one. Yeah I see Clint I doubt that one is on the bucket list for sure. You know Tyler I'm impressed in your lack of watching movies and it makes me think more highly of you I won't tell you how many movies I've seen because I don't want to discriminate you against thinking highly of me but there were a lot of times when I had sleepless nights with my children crying in the middle of the night and you had to find something on it too you know it's like three babies over here crying what are we going to do about that. Well I did recommend Silent Running earlier today remember on the you were asking about people's sci-fi requests. Yeah that's a good one. Silent Running was a yeah that's like from 1974 oh and Joan Baez does the music like does like two or three vocal songs specifically for the movie. Joan Baez for our listeners under the age of 6 is a popular musician. One of the big folk singers I mean she was you know like Bob Dylan you know the big four singer movement my mom loved her she's 73. Yeah yeah. Now familiar but I'll check her out you know what else what other movie I thought up in the wake of the crowd striking and it's much more recent leave the world behind. Oh that one was good. Julia Roberts and who's the dude in it with her. I'll look this up. He's the dude that's in all the films but you never know his name. You never know his name. That guy. Maybe. Ethan Hawke. There you go. Ethan Hawke. Tyler have you seen this one yet? I haven't seen it but ironically it was one of the ones that came to mind when you asked the question about apocalyptic movies. Both given the recent events of everything and of course the topic it seemed like one that would make the list but I had yet to watch it. Although I do actually want to because both the fact that it was produced by the Obama and the Obama and the fact that it is sort of on trend with what's going on. Well come on. They got like they're not producing and not also lending insight into what they know the government has plans for when this happens. Predictive. Yeah so let's go ahead and take that and what it is. But the scene Sierra the scene where all the Teslas just take over themselves and start driving. That one freaked me out a little bit. I was like what's going to happen if AI just decides to take over the. But yeah that's funny that you mentioned it was produced by Obama's production company. They also produced a film that's related to the city of Mobile about the Clotilda which is the last American slave ship. I think it was like in 1860. Five or six. I don't know exactly the year I should know that. A slave ship was brought into Mobile 20, 30 years after the ban on the importation of slaves. And this group of slaves settled just north of Mobile in a place they now call Africa town. And it's now National Geographic is recognized as one of the world's leading archaeological sites which is pretty interesting. That's a good way to end the show. Next time Tyler thanks for joining us man. We got to have you back on again because you know there's just so much more we can cover. Happy anytime thanks for having me. Yeah it was a lot of fun Sierra. As always it was a joy. Yeah no man. Hey I'll see you folks on X and then we'll see everybody else next week on Beyond the Blockchain.