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It's time to find out as we return to Nightmare on Elm Street 2 Freddie's Revenge. Thanks for watching. I hope they are watching, they are seeing, they are seeing, they don't know. The next morning, Jesse drives to school with Lisa and finds out his coach is actually dead. He begins to unravel and has more dreams of Freddie's glove and a little girl, all in white, singing one, two, Freddie's coming for you. Lisa drives him to a nearby power plant on the edge of town where Freddie used to work, hoping it will help Jesse make a spiritual psychic connection to Kruger. That doesn't work. Later that night, Jesse sleep walks into his sister's room wearing Freddie's glove. Lisa throws a wild pool party for everyone at school. It's a typical scene where kids are making out, drinking beer and having fun. Jesse tries to join in but his nightmare visions cause him to leave and seek help from Grady. He wants someone to watch him while he sleeps and wake him up if anything strange starts to happen. Grady falls asleep almost immediately, then Jesse screams. The blades of Freddie's glove grow from his fingertips and burst from his arm. The glove slashes open Jesse's stomach and Kruger rises from his corpse, killing Grady. Moments later, Jesse wearing the glove, covered in blood, sees Kruger taunting him from the reflection and a wall mirror. When the police arrive, Jesse escapes out the window. So now we get to visit the power plant where Freddie Kruger worked. And this is introduced because of course it's really exists to give the movie somewhere to go at the end of the film. I've always been a little defensive of this part because quite frankly I really like the justification here between why Lisa believes what Jesse's actually saying. She just is kind of a little woo woo and she thinks that he is picking up psychic energy from the horrors that have happened in his house. And so she drives him over to where Fred Kruger used to work so that he can see if he can pick up some signals. I know that sounds a little ridiculous. I think that's a perfectly reasonable thing for her character to believe. I agree with you. And it's talking about that lower that people keep going, Oh, you know, whatever, they're still building on in the first movie. They said he was killed in a boiler room by the parents of town blah, blah, blah. Now we're seeing the boiler room and getting a little bit more of a story. They worked at this factory and it's on the outskirts of town. So it was actually a really good place to take his victims where nobody would see them. It makes a lot of sense. Lisa's doing this out of pure kindness. She's trying to help Jesse just because I said that they have no chemistry. What I actually mean is they don't have any romantic or sexual chemistry. They've got platonic chemistry in spades. Oh, for sure. That's why I said it's like kissing a sister. They're very close. Just not that close. And their friendship is very charming, which is one of the reasons why I wish it was a friendship or a brother and sister kind of thing, but also because it really does play out in these scenes. I don't want my commentary on their chemistry to reflect badly on the actors are the young actors. Okay, maybe they couldn't quite figure out that part. The script didn't really give them the opportunities to do it. For some reason the script has a coach with an SNM gear getting whipped by towels like the idea that this is Mark Patton, who injected homosexuality. I mean, somebody wrote that shit before Mark out there. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, he's not the one that put probe in his closet, you know, but I don't want it to get lost. I think both of these actors are really good. And I think that she really brings in a lot of charm to this point of the movie because she really is a good-hearted person that is trying to help. She reminds me a little bit of what I like so much about Stretch in TCM2. So glad you brought her up. I made the same comparison. Yeah. She's just a good person who's trying to do the right thing. And I think Lisa is very charming in that way. I completely agree with you. I think this is a really good example. At this point in the movie, I mean not just the scene where we talk about the connection or lack thereof between these two or that it's a very specific type and so on because it's hard to believe the heartfelt cries of Lisa over Jessie's plight as we move on in the film when she's only ever treated him as a passing acquaintance up till now. When you start talking about these two are romantically connected, I'm like, no, no. Maybe they think they are. Maybe they're trying it out and, you know, people have in my experience had very close friends and maybe you sleep with that person and maybe you feel that thing. But then once you're there, you're like, wow, that just that isn't who we are. And then you move on and maybe they just haven't got on to the move on stage yet. What are the problems that I have with this movie is that it tries so hard to make it that Jessie and his family just moved into the house. Yeah. And so now they've got to simultaneously have him just move in and also develop these close relationships with Lisa and Grady so that he has a best friend that it matters so much when he kills and he has a girlfriend that he's developing this relationship with. And I think that's part of what it is. I don't think it's all like that Matt Mark Patton and the woman playing Lisa just couldn't like drum up the chemistry. It's that the script doesn't give them even the time to develop as a relationship. You know, he's got these people in his life that he's really barely known. He's only known them for a couple of weeks. He just moved in. I think it would be better if the movie had just lived with the fact that it doesn't make any sense that Freddy Krueger takes so long to get started and have them live in that house for a year. Yeah. No, I agree with you. This is exactly where I was going with this conversation. I don't connect with the characters the way the movie wants me to and it's the movie's own fault for exactly what you just said. And in a different film where we had more time, like you said, they'd been there a year and then we can work on, they've built these, oh, you know, I'm friends with Grady. I know he's an asshole in a school bully kind of, but we've been pals for a year and he was the first one to really take me in when I got here, blah, blah, blah. That would give us something more that we could be like, oh, I give a shit when he died at the door in his bedroom. Yeah. And you don't really care about Grady at all. They have a throwaway line about Grady that I really like. He is explaining to his friends. He says, oh, I am grounded and can't go to the party tonight and they're like, oh, why did you get grounded? They said, it's because I pushed my grandmother down the stairs and I thought to myself, I didn't know this movie took place in Maine. This is next door in the projects. That's what this is next to the cops. Oh, I kind of understand Grady. Now I had neighbors like him. Pushed my grandmother down the stairs. They play it like it's a joke, like, yeah, oh, yeah, like, well, that's something he does all the time. You know, Grady, we've established Grady. Yeah. Oh, funny. And that further gets to the point where they throw this pool party, Lisa's throwing a party at her big expensive house for everybody at school. And again, we're supposed to somehow, for some reason, give a shit about most of the kids at this party, or at least a handful of them enough to make this party worthwhile and the deaths of the party worthwhile and they just don't. And the only thing I can connect with is there's a scene where one of the kids jumps off the diving board into the pool, dad standing at the grill and he goes, hey, cut that out. Like any 80s dad would in this situation. And I'm like, if you didn't want him diving in the pool, why the fuck did you put a diving board in? You know, like, shut up. Let them have fun. This pool party does entertain me so much because there is this very polite party happening where the kids are like grabbing sodas and they're having hot dogs and they're talking to each other and they're jumping in the pool. And the dad is watching them like a hawk, you know, this is Lisa's father. He's like, don't jump in there. Don't bring alcohol. Don't make out. Don't do this. Don't do that. And the mom. This movie has something that's a little different about Nightmare on Elm Street. This has some of the more likable parents. Usually the parents are just fucking awful. Agreed. But the two moms in this movie are actually very likable. So she kind of drags a husband away and she's like, come on, let's go upstairs. Like, let's like let the kids play. Let's let the kids have fun. And as soon as they go to the room and the lights turn off, this movie becomes like a dying night, this nicey and nightmare like this party just goes insane. It's like they just carry out beers. Tops go off like just like hops are floating in the pool. They just are like throwing the hot dogs around. It's just so hilarious how quickly this movie goes from 60s beach blanket bingo to 80s friend fuckfast. This is like that party scene out of the original wishmaster. It's fucking crazy. It goes from like people playing shuffleboard to people like blowing each other by the fence. It's amazing party. They're having a great time. It gets so wild so fast, like I'm swear to God, I saw spit roasting. You might have. It's probably in the back. Right. I saw what I wanted to see. Can't you see that happens in this movie? There you go. Freddy was haunting my dreams again. So I don't want to forget as much fun as we have with this movie is that there are some really great moments, really fantastic moments and some really great camera work too. So there's a scene where Jesse almost kills his sister or he has a dream that he might kill his sister, wonderful POV shot. I really like it when it's basically the camera is holding on the furnace down below his house and then the camera shoots up the stairs and around the house and goes into the sister's bedroom where Jesse puts his hands on the blanket to pull it up and tuck her in. But he's wearing Freddy's glove. I thought that shot was absolutely wonderful. It's terrifying. One of the things I love about this movie, not that they didn't do a good job in the first film, but they really lean into Freddy being scary. And that's a controversial thing a lot of people are like, it wasn't scary, but I think he was. I think he was too. I think his performance was great. I think Robert really leaned into it more in this film to make him. He only had a little bit of runtime in the movie, but every bit that he was in was fucking amazing. And he was really intense with it. I love much like the parakeet earlier that they were able to strap a GoPro on him and watch him get through the house. Okay. Yes, I do. I totally love that. That's how they did that back in the 80s and we have lots of great dream sequences too. You know, there's a part where Jesse is wandering around the house and he opens up a door and he sees his sister essentially in some sort of spirit form. And she's doing the required one to yeah one to Freddy's coming for you. You want to hear something stupid? I read a line. Yes. Somebody in all of the years of complaining about this film about whether it had subtext or not or whatever else. One thing I heard somebody bitch about this scene doesn't make any fucking sense. Where's the bed? The little girl had a bed in one scene and then in the next scene she didn't. It doesn't fucking clue. I'm like, what do you it's a dream you moron. What the fuck are you talking about just to show that some people can be stupid without any subtext around this, you know, she had a fold up. She had a futon. The idea that they were more bothered with the bed and the fact that she's looking straight at the door, singing to herself, jumping rope, just waiting for somebody to walk in. I know. Like how many times has she done this rhyme before the door opened? She was just like 10 minutes later going anytime Jesse. Oh God, he didn't come in. Oh my God, Jesse, just open the fucking door like put the steps. Oh, it's just mom going to the toilet. Shit. Oh my God. Are you open the door? What? It's not landed it landed it. I love the way that Jesse opens the door, watch this for a second, close the door and he's like wrong room. That's it. Well, that's not for me. I'm going over here. My copy of "Prod" wasn't in this closet. Really need that game right now, wink, wink, wink. Well, he is going through puberty. Where's my copy of "Prob"? Many young gay men have been there. The man's magazine, yes. Right. Like one of those old magazines, it looks like it's a muscle magazine, but it's actually just clearly a gay magazine. Yeah. But then your mom walks in and you're like, no, it's just about dudes working out on the beach, mom. It's okay. It's great. Yeah, come on. Like they're probing their muscles, obviously. What else would it mean? Yeah. I'm 15. That guy is bent over in front of that other guy because he's making sure his glutes are strong. Obviously. Hying his shoes, obviously. Yeah, God, mom, leave me alone while I look at "Prob". Mom, you're a perv. Get out. Yeah. Anyway. And the visuals, again, one thing that we forgot speaking of "Prob", in the short scene, is that because of the way that that is, even though that is looks very different than it was intended to, and that's the movie's fucking fault, like it looks gay, but there's still some really cool things in there that are part of these great visuals. Like, I love, once the coach is like held up by the ropes and he's been stripped naked, they cut to him looking through the steam, and Jesse is kind of showering over on the side. He's looking scared. He doesn't know what to do. But when the steam rolls over, Jesse, and it rolls back, it's Freddy Krueger. Yeah. I love that shot. That shot is awesome. And the music in that scene is so great through this, like, hammering drum beat is really cool. Yeah. And they're doing a lot with more background visuals in this, in that you see a lot more red and green lights everywhere, towels that are behind people or red and green stripes, things like that. Yep. They're doing a lot more subtle cues with lighting and subtle clues with background effects than they did in the first film. During the pool scene, though, there is a really funny part in the Cabana. Lisa and Jesse go in there to talk. He's stressed out. He's not enjoying the pool party. He's where he's going to kill someone, different things like that. And she gives him a very tender kiss. Again, it doesn't really work. It doesn't really come off as very sincere. It's not really the actor's fault. I actually think it's more of the director's fault. He's just not really able to direct this with any kind of passion and because it's meant to be their first kiss, it just comes off as very weak, as opposed to if they'd say, if he really wanted to play them off as like a straight couple, you know, if you had put them together a little longer, if you had had their kiss under different circumstances, it just would have come off a little stronger. But it doesn't help that they end up on the floor. And for whatever reason, when Jesse is kissing down her chest, he totally like missed her breasts, but goes to town on her sternum. Yeah, that great spot in between where you should be aiming, which is the sexiest part on any person you can tell. Yeah. Right. I don't understand it other than this is my first time fucking anybody and I'm awkward. Yeah. Like, we all grew up the first time, but sure, yeah, but I didn't take my penis and put it into her toes, like I like roughly knew where to go and you figure it out. It's just basic biology. I don't know. Right. Right. Maybe that's like another allegory or something. He's just all about the sternum, you know, like, yeah, it looks like a dude's chest. I'm good. Right. This is like going to a shooting range and shooting the rafter between the two targets. It's the practical effects in this film that I really appreciate as well. When we're talking about love hate around this movie, I don't think there's enough love about the effects they put in here and yes, they cut some time and some budget and had to cut some corners accordingly. But this scene, for example, might look a little cheesy where he's making out with her and suddenly this big demon tongue shoots out of his mouth. That's what scares Jesse away. He runs off to go to Grady's house and I know everyone makes a big deal about this, but I get it from the point of view about I'm scared. I don't know where to go. So I'm turning to my only other friend because I just tried to demon lick this girl. So I'm going to go over to this guy and say, help me. Can I interject something here? So to your point where you say that sometimes you think the misread might actually be hurting the movie, I think that this scene is where that actually comes up more for me. I actually always thought it totally made sense that he goes to Grady. I'm glad to hear that. And I understand Radius, he's like an attractive athlete. Like I get it. He's handsome. I get it. But Jesse isn't going to go to his parents because he doesn't want to kill his parents and he doesn't go back to Lisa because the person he's afraid of killing is her. Right. So he's actually going to someone he actually cares less about true and also as we established earlier, he's only got these two friends in this film and vicariously leases other female friends, but just these two really. So if he's not going to confide in Lisa or if she's the one that might be dying next, so he's running away from that, who else would he go to? And I think sometimes that interpretation takes away from Mark Patton's acting. I think his scene here, I think this is his best scene. Oh, I agree. It's really sincere when he's looking at grading, he says, you don't understand. I might kill someone. I might murder someone. And look, I am all for that fear of what you can do being a metaphor for home erotic feelings. I'm in for that. I think there's nothing wrong with that. But for people to be interpreting that Mark Patton was like not a good enough actor to know what he was doing in this scene. And I think that's disrespectful. For it to be playing as if he's, you know, for him to be acting like he's genuinely scared and he's trying to tell his friend, I'm genuinely scared and you don't get it. And for people to be like, that's where I feel that maybe it's a little disrespectful. Like people are allowed to read movies, however they fucking want. And look, I don't, I'm happy to laugh at a film. I'm happy to laugh at a movie. But yeah, this is where it's always kind of bugged me a little bit more. I'm actually genuinely happy to hear that because this is one of my more controversial takes about it. Everybody everywhere cites this moment in this movie where he runs to Grady. He says, something's trying to get inside my body. And they also, oh, there he is. He's gay. He's trying to fuck Grady. And I'm like, I don't think that's true. I genuinely feel what you just described as accurate. I feel like he's going to the one place he knows and without trying to piss off half of this audience or without trying to take away what people are interpreting or whatever, just at the part I think people are interjecting too much of their own shit into the movie because he really did a good job portraying a scared person. It's not easy to do. And perhaps the script was written poorly and the words could have been changed. So it wasn't quite as what it is. That's not his fault. And when you take that away from him, that's disrespectful to him. I don't appreciate that. There are much gay are parts of this movie. For sure. And also for sure. You know what I mean? That's the whole point. Yeah, I'm just having a little fun with it. I'm just having a little fun with it. But the point being that I do think it pays even if you don't see it that way, even if you disagree with us, fine. But I think it pays to understand what they were trying to go for and the movie that they were trying to make because again, it leads to something really powerful. And that's the scene. That's the whole point I'm making with the scene exactly. We have this great moment with his acting. We have this great moment with the practical effects where Freddie is going to literally emerge from Jesse's body. And for 1980s practical effects, this transformation, while it might look goofy to some, was actually, I would compare it to Werewolf in London, the transformation scene where he's literally becoming Freddie in front of Grady's eyes. And the team is able to make such a huge impact on this movie. The team that put all the practical effects together, it's a testament to the performance of everybody involved, not just on screen, but the ones behind the camera. And as I said before, Freddie is only in this movie for a total of like 13 fucking minutes. If you put his screen time on, it's 15 minutes or less guaranteed. Every time he was on screen, he was powerful. This scene right here, you're rarely ever going to hear that for this movie, you're not even just a scene, I'm sorry, I'm stumbling, I'm just, for this entire film, you will rarely hear anybody say Freddie's not in it enough, because he's so good at what he did that he, for 13 minutes of runtime, owned it. And I think to what we were just saying, that's Mark Patton as well, I think that's Grady as well. I think they owned this fucking scene as best they could with the material they had. And it's just a shame that people are taking that away from them. For myself, I wouldn't go so far, and maybe this counters what I said. But I wouldn't go so far as to say I feel like they're taking it away from them as long as they can balance their own interpretation with what the film was trying to do. Fair. You know, that's just my opinion. But the practical effects in this scene are just beautiful. Yes. So incredible, watching the Freddie Glove come out of Jesse's hand, watching his arm burst open, and that beautiful part, look, there's an effect that's a little dated, which is that Jesse opens his mouth and Freddie's eye is on the inside, as if Freddie's literally in his body, which is, I thought, it looks fine for the time. But then there's this beautiful moment where he, beautiful, I love it, when he slashes his own chest, and Freddie literally comes out, and now the Mark Patton part is no longer an actor. It's an animatronic, but it's a great animatronic. It looks really impressive, and it's still moving a little bit, like it's still moving just enough. It looks like something out of the thing. It looks twisted. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. It looks so beautiful. And I think the Grady Kill is excellent. I think it's a really good kill. I think the only thing that hurts it is I don't give a fuck about Grady whatsoever. I completely agree. I can make a joke about him being powerful enough and his razor is being long enough to get through the body and the door and slide down. But other than that, like if that's the only joke I make about this, then it's a powerful fucking scene. It's done really well. And it's visually striking. I love that shot of the blades coming through the door because you don't actually see for anybody who hasn't watched this movie in a long time, you don't see Freddie stabbed Grady. What you see is his parents on the other side trying to get in and help Grady and then you see just the razors of the glove come through the door and blood spill out, which I've always really liked that perspective in these movies. I've always really liked when you see the parent or somebody else see the kill in a different way. Yeah. Then we see it in the dream. I've always thought that that was a thing that the Nightmare in Elm Street movies don't use enough because even though I like seeing the gore, I also really like seeing the maddening perspective of someone who can't figure out what's going on. Like when Tina's up on the ceiling and she's being slashed pieces, you know, I mean these parents, I mean, this is going to fuck them up forever. They're never going to know what actually happened to their own son. And so yeah, I think this scene is fantastic. I kind of wish that the homoerotic metaphors were a little bit more focused on the shower scene and on just the genuine feeling of what it's like to closet your feelings. I think that those things are very powerful in this movie and I really enjoy them. I don't think that applying it to this scene really helps. 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The pool boils, beer cans burst open, the grill bursts into flames and Jesse changes into Freddy one more time. Lisa fights for her life and Kruger jumps through the window bursting into the pool party. Its total mayhem as Freddy kills teenagers trying to save themselves. When Lisa's dad shows up with a shotgun Kruger escapes. Lisa drives to the power plant to save Jesse. It's guarded by Rottweilers with actual literal baby faces on them, it's hilarious. But she ignores them and goes inside. Walking throughout the building, Lisa faces a gauntlet of nightmares meant to increase her fear. As she finally finds Freddy, confesses her love for Jesse and encourages him to fight back. Kissing Freddy on the lips, the power of true love lights the building on fire, Kruger burns and melts leaving Jesse behind. Lisa walks over and hugs him, the movie fades to black. As an epilogue, a yellow bus drives through the sunny town of Springwood one more time, picking up students on their way to school. Jesse sits next to Lisa and is excited to start the day, suddenly the bus drives too fast. Jesse screams, but it's all a misunderstanding. Until Freddy's gloved hand bursts through the chest of a student and everyone screams as the bus drives into the desert one more time. I would say this movie has three big moments that people always talk about. One is when Jesse dances in his bedroom, two is the coach shower scene, and three is the giant pool party where Freddy Kruger merges and starts killing everybody. Or what I like to call the Freddy Kruger stunt spectacular. Bless Robert for doing his own stunts throughout these movies. This section of the movie is really is like a stud spectacular. The only thing that it's missing is Freddy Kruger in a boat jumping through a flame of like hoops on fire, like it's just crazy. It's just crazy. I'm so torn on this pool scene because it pulls at two different parts of my soul. One is the part of me that genuinely thinks that Nightward Elm Street movies are good movies and that I want them to make sense and that I really truly like horror films and feel like they are a legitimate, thoughtful genre and the part of me that's just like something that's so stupid that it's fun. This scene is one of the most talked about, you're not wrong, and it's actually interesting to me because Wes Craven actually hated this scene. I'm a little torn in this because this proves the point that I'm making the overall story I'm talking about this film where people like to argue that Freddy doesn't look imposing or scary because of his physical size compared to the buffer young adult males at the party who stand a little taller and more muscular than he does. With all due respect to Wes and his opinion, I do disagree to some extent. I think Freddy was never meant to be scary to kids at that age in the first place. He was a child murderer to a child. This man is terrifying to a teenager, maybe not as much. But having said that, if some burnt up motherfucker jumps out of the ground at your pool party, starts slashing up your friends when you're having a relaxing good time, you're going to be scared. That is a natural reaction. I concede to the notion of fight or flight, and that odds are somebody there would have tried to challenge him perhaps, but you can see how quickly and easily Freddy dispatches the kids at this party, and if you're standing there watching all this supernatural shit happen around you with beer cans exploding and shit catching on fire and suddenly this madman comes in and starts killing everyone, you're not going to get that close to him. You're going to run away. You're going to back off. This scene plays just so silly and fun to me that I don't have a problem with it. But at the same time, I also understand that Freddy's endgame here just doesn't really make any sense here because other than just killing people, like his modest operandi has always been getting revenge on the parents of the people who killed him in the first movie, which the third movie brings that back, the fourth movie brings it back. I don't mind that second movie ignores it, you're totally right about lore, like these movies are figuring the lore out as they go. They're made for pennies. Especially when you consider the first one that's supposed to be a one and done. For some reason, Jason Voorhees was killed three years earlier, and now he's a big dude in a sack like, you know, this stuff is goofy, you know? I'm not stupid, but, and I agree with Wes Craven in the sense that it doesn't really tell the story that he was trying to tell. But I do think it, I mean, it's scared the living fuck out of me when I was a kid. I told you this version of Freddy, I found to be utterly terrifying. And I've had so many vivid memories. I told you in our Friday 13th Part 3 episode about how I could remember everything my father told me about those movies. My father never watched Nightmare on the Street movies, he wasn't into them. And so everything that I remembered about Nightmare on the Street movies was stuff I saw on clips, like late at night. I told you when we covered three that I saw the puppet scene late at night. And that happened with this scene too. In fact, actually in my mind, it was that the people boiled alive in the pool, which that's not what happened. But that was what I remembered. And so I always, before I even saw this movie, I had this terrifying image in my head of these bones and these people like boiling alive in the pool. So I'm caught a little bit in a conundrum because again, I don't think it makes sense for the movie. I don't know what he's trying to do here. He's just trying to kill a bunch of kids. Freddy's revenge, Freddy's revenge on who? Freddy's revenge on random kids that recently moved to Springwood. I mean, I get that. I think it's also, obviously one of the biggest complaints people have in this film is the inconsistency with people saying it ruins the dream world mythology and blah, blah, blah. Now, when we're citing the pool scene specifically to make the case, Freddy's had limitations in the first movie, wherein he could only have control over the dream world and faced the same limitations of every other human being in the real world. And I can see where people would say that all went away during this pool party scene, where he could disappear at will, then he had control of the environment around him and could make flames happen and disappear into flames, blah, blah, blah. And I feel like tracking this back to, this isn't a dream movie, it's a possession movie. And if you follow that logic, and I'm going to make the comparison there to the exorcist where Regan, when she was possessed by the demon, Pazuzu or Captain Howdy or whatever you want to call him, could float above her bed and open drawers and have a certain amount of manipulation to the world around her, it would stand to reason then if Freddy's doing a possession that he's got a certain amount of control of the world around him as well. I can't deny this is a goofy, ridiculous, fun little scene. It's hilarious. I always laugh when I see it. It's a good time. But I'm not hung up on the idea that it, quote unquote, doesn't make sense, because to me it does and it always has. And for me, it doesn't make sense and it doesn't make sense. But I'm split between the part of me that likes something fun and also wants the story to connect in a certain way, because again, I come back to like Freddy's revenge, like again, he's killing all these kids, like what is it like, unless he's taking revenge on the gentrification of Springwood, like, but I don't think these kids were his revenge. I think the revenge was I'm going to possess this boy and then I'm going to go kill the parents and the kids and blah, blah, blah, once I get back into the real world. I think that's where this was going. Can you imagine if they gave him some lines of dialogues where he's like, Springwood used to be affordable. What is this fucking fro young? What is going on here? Nobody needs a Lulu Levin here. I can't afford this rent. You used to be able to buy a family home for $50,000. Gas prices are outrageous. Property taxes are through the roof. $50 for half a bag of groceries. What the fuck? Yeah. Whole paycheck my ass. Welcome to Whole Foods, bitch. Scariest part of the movie right there. I do think it's funny, Lisa's supposedly been crushing hard on Jesse throughout the entire movie. Then he goes off to kill Grady, comes back, freaking out, covered in blood. And apparently, if a girl likes you enough, you can just start killing people and she'll make any excuse for you that's necessary. She looked at him in the beginning of the film and she was like, that guy looks unthreatening and I think to myself in more ways than one. And then he goes, bet you're crazy and she goes, this is fine. I can fix this. All right. Give it a try. You feel free. Lisa, Lisa, don't start down that road. You can do better than trying to fix these guys. You can do better. You're a nice girl. I do like her fight with Freddie though. Another part that I always found just abjectly terrifying and I always, I think it was because I did like her a lot. I thought she was very nice. So when she has her face off with Freddie, which again, now in the light of day and being 44 years old, looks a little bit like something I described in Friday 13th part three, which is it looks like that stair scene from scary movie where she is able to just take things and hit Freddy Krueger with them and like nobody's better than Freddy Krueger at the Pratfall. Oh yeah. Oh, he knows how to sell it. There is something in his power set that is not just like I can manipulate dreams and I can kill people with a glove, but also if I get hit with something, it sounds like a meat slammer and I love Freddy Krueger. I adore him to no end and I really do think they really nailed him in part three. But there is something about the end of these movies where they just feel the need to like kick his ass. Yeah, it's true though. One does it. Two does it and four does it where they just feel the need to like beat the fucking shit out of him. I think it's because while some people like me find him hugely hilarious and wonderful and think he deserves to host the MTV music awards, there are other people that find him annoying and feel like kicking his ass a good idea, but it could also be them justifying the pedophile angle. Be like, you know what? He's a child murderer. Kick his ass. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Well, there's just something about like we've created this really scary villain and the final and the final fights are just going to be we are going to like nail you with everything that isn't screwed down in the house like exactly taking a fucking cabinet off the wall and hitting him with it. I know. Just wait till we get to part four and he just takes 300 high kicks. I loved walking around with Lisa through the factory. I liked exploring that part of Freddie's story. I like the dialogue to some extent between the two of them. I can concede that the final fight in this movie was timid, at best. Little lackluster. It is. I don't know if this is where they said, oh shit, we ran out of budget or whatever. There wasn't a lot of back and forth between the two of them. There wasn't a lot of huge stakes between the two of them. This certainly was not a Chrissy versus Jason moment by any means. I think it floundered in the actual battle between these two for a lot of it. I think the whole true love conquers all was a little pathetic, but in line with what they were going for with this story to a certain extent, so I can forgive it for that, but still I'm like, I did appreciate that they were able to get an incredible donation for this film that clearly all of the lighting in the factory was donated by Spirit Halloween. For some reason, this place is lit like it's a old haunted house. Yeah, this is like you're out in the woods at one of those haunted forest things and they have, oh, come to our weird creepy shack display. Oh, there's a guy in this is like, you know, cities now have to take like really desolate parts of their town and just like add mood lighting. That's right. Night time. That's exactly what this looks like. They should coin a term. Now we have the term bisexual lighting for anybody that doesn't know what that is. It's when it's pink and blue. Have you ever seen this sensor is like the joke about sensors and it's filled with bisexual lighting. I've never heard that before. It's just totally a joke. It's totally like a fun show that it just so happens that in horror movies, there are a bunch of bisexual characters and they just happen to have blue and purple light or pink light. Yeah, it's all for fun. It's like the Baba Duke is gay, it's all for fun, but they have to coin something called Freddy Krueger lighting, which is just like every scene in this factory is like got one like big green light and one big red light. So I get what they're going for and let me be clear. I love what they're going for, which is that as opposed to having Lisa have to fight Krueger like Nancy did in the previous film, she has to go through a gauntlet of fear. And I actually think that that is a better story to be told here because Freddy Krueger is still in a weakened state. So for her to have to travel through this factory and deal with all these fears, which I wish had been a little bit more personalized because we don't know the character very well. But she has to go through like there's a rat that looks terrible, there's a part where she thinks she almost falls and it's all illusion. The dogs in the beginning, I think are a little accidentally hilarious. The dogs, they're Rottweilers and they have like baby faces on them and they look less scary and more like they are standing in line to meet the actress from happy death day. Yeah, it was it was bad, but I mean, that's the stuff in this film that I'm like, it's good bad. You know, that's the stuff to laugh at. That's the body. It's great. This is great. Like who else does this in their fucking movie? This was wonderful. Yeah. Imagine trying to put those fucking fucking baby faces on those Rottweilers. I know exactly. That had to be a hell of a thing. That was somebody's job. That was for our pizza guy. Exactly right. Like your boy, your boy, I've been 15 times, but it's worth it. I heard this job pays better than pizza hot or where do I work again? Just put this baby face on. I'm running around with the treat here. It's a pepperoni. Lisa. Are you single? I used to be a manager dominoes. I do like what you said with regards to the motivation here. It's not about fighting Freddie as much as it's about winning Jesse back and who a true possession story. That's the point. I got to get Jesse out of there and I also am very glad that you brought it up that Freddie is still in a weakened state, even though he's technically fully taken over Jesse at this point. He's back in the real world. He's barely got any hold on him, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to have been beating the way he was. And through this entire film, this is sort of the catalyst, the punch line to what I've been talking about of he's been trying to get his power back. He's been trying to come back. He's been trying to learn what he can do. He can't maybe get into the dreams as much as he could anymore, or maybe it was that deliberate choice to possess again and try a new angle and figure that shit out. Whatever was going on with him, he only had so much power to do it, which is why even when Lisa finds him at the fucking factory, he's not as menacing or scary or threatening as he would have been for Nancy because he's weak. He can't quite get there yet. If this was two days later before she went to the factory, he'd be a lot stronger and a lot more menacing. You're right. I mean, once she actually meets him, it's rushed. She's filled with great special effects and there's nothing wrong with the acting here. But she takes a really quick turn into figuring out like, "Oh, I've got to use the power of love to win Jesse over." And it does not come across like she's using the power of love to win Jesse over, but that someone already had a crush on Freddy Krueger because she just can't wait to plant her lips right on his bird lips. So you want to be an actor, ladies, so you want to be an actor, but the special effects in him melting are incredible. Oh, yeah. Proper 80s body melt sort of stuff like Raiders Lost Art melted body shit is very cool. For me, I've never liked the romantic angle here. I really wish that they would just own that Jesse was gay and then just have Lisa be his sister or something like that, you know what I mean? But you could still play up. I know this is going to sound weird for people, but like Jessica Jones did a really good job at the end of their first season playing up a true love angle, but it was a love between sisters, not between like lovers and that love won the day. So I would be totally fine with doing the same thing her having to go through a gauntlet of fear to save her little brother and then be like, "I love you, Jesse. I'm here for you. You don't have to do this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." And then have Jesse have his own hero moment. Right, I think he does need a hero moment. I think that that's lost too. I think that his hand needs to come out of Freddy Krueger's stomach or something. Or like the right hand grabs the claw before it slices Lisa or shit. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And then, but then that melt, that melt is gorgeous. It really is. And that, and I love the fire effects that are all burning around him. I think it just looks fantastic. And it all brings us to the stinger at the end where, for me, it ties it all back into the original nightmare from the start of the film, which I thought was actually a really good choice because it causes us to question, is this a dream at the moment that he's having or was the entire movie a dream all along? Like we never woke up from that first nightmare and all of this was actually just him and his head about shit. The most important, it shows that Freddy still had his power, whether it was all a dream or not, he had enough power to be on his way to becoming the dream demon he was in the third film, which we both agree was arguably the best version of him in any of the series. I have a hot take here. I think that it is a dream that happens in the moment. And I think Freddy wins. I think he kills these characters. Look, if they made a spiritual sequel now or they made a movie where Mark Patton was still alive and he's been struggling, whatnot, I'd be all in. I'd be fine. No issues. But still, my interpretation has always been Freddy Krueger killed everybody at the end. I like that. I mean, it tracks honestly with what they're putting out. Well, it tracks also with the third movie because by the third movie, he's in power again. Right. Exactly. The teenagers are starting to, you know, the last of the Elm Street kids, everybody else has been killed. Right. And now it's the last six or seven Elm Street kids in that hospital. So to me, it tracks that- Yeah, and they've all unraveled enough that they had to be put into a mental facility to help them. Yeah. Exactly. I get it. I love that. I think I actually married to that. That's good. There is kind of a funny thing that these movies are actually like really dark because as the movies actually go on, it's always implied that the previous characters died or they actually killed them, you know, like they do in part four to part three. Even by the time when they get to Freddy's dead, they're like everybody's dead now. Like everybody's gone. And I'm flaking like shit, like they even killed fucking Alice. Tell me Alice is alive somewhere. I'll take a movie where Alice and Mark Patton team up. I'll take that movie. That's sure. Sure. I sometimes get worried that when we have a really fun time with a movie and when we give a movie shit, that it will be interpreted that I don't like a movie, which is why I love these recaps. But sometimes we can give a movie a shit the whole way through and then at the end, I be like, I like this movie. Which is exactly what I'm going to do right now. I've said this before and I'll say it again. I was never sad to put on Freddy's Revenge. It was never a slog. It was never not fun. I always had a good time watching this movie. In fact, I only got to watch it two and a half times and I was really bummed that I didn't get to watch the last 30 minutes, which has some of my favorite parts. I do think that pool party is stupid fucking fun. I was a little disappointed that I didn't get to finish it the third time, but I want to be clear as to my opinions on this film and Leo, you can feel free to agree and disagree where you see fit. I think this movie has a couple of really great things in it. Number one, I think it's one of my favorite Freddy Krueger's even if it's not my favorite. I think the makeup and the special effects in this movie are incredible and I really love the lighting and I forgot to say something about the lighting. The way they light Freddy Krueger in his fight scene with Lisa is impeccable. They somehow light everything around him, but not him and they do a great job of keeping him mysterious in a fully lit room. I've never seen that before and I was so impressed by it. We need to steal that more for other horror movies. I couldn't believe how well they did at keeping him in shadow, but just his figure and nothing else. I was so blown away by that. There is some really good acting and I apologize. I'm just forgetting the woman who plays Lisa's name, but I really like these leads. I think Mark Patton is really good in the movie. I think he's super sincere. Nobody can fucking scream like he can. We didn't talk about the Mark Patton scream, but holy fuck. Get him right up there with Jamie Lee Curtis, like that dude can fucking scream. But Lisa's great too. They are so endearing and they are such likable heroes and they both got shit on for this movie and I know you don't like how this movie got shit on. I don't like it either and it was unfair because they may not be great lovers, but they are great friends in this film and they have a good story to tell and I always care about them. I don't mind that they die at the end of film in my interpretation because it's a horror film and that's allowed, but I don't want them to die and that's different. And I like when I don't want the characters to die. I like when I'm rooting for them. I love Freddy Krueger. I don't want to root for Freddy Krueger. I want good enough heroes so I'm not rooting for him, like in part six where I'm rooting for him. Right. To touch on the homoerotic storyline, I think that what I said about the Wikipedia quote is what matters. I think that some of it is there. I think some of it has been added after the fact and I think it's some of it is just literally people like have fun having fun getting drunk and watching the movie and then just like adding every little moment where somebody says, assume the position or something like that. And look, that I'm never going to have an issue with if you and your friends want to get together and have a drinking game to Freddy's Revenge, where you get pissed drunk about everything that can be taken as homoerotic. Go for it. That was fun. I can't drink that much. I'm too old. I'll die. I reached a point where that's not a thing. I will die for the amount of different things that you could take as homoerotic in this film and the amount of drinking you can have. But I want to be clear that I think sometimes the need to make those interpretations hurt the film and I don't mean hurt the film is in the film is bad. I mean, I think we need to try to understand what they were trying to make, what they were trying to do in the story they were trying to tell. And I also think we have to be very careful about making Mark Patton into a bad actor just because we're saying, oh, he's gay, therefore it makes this movie more queer, which I actually think is well intended, but actually can come off really insulting. I would not want people saying something like that about me because I'm bisexual that like if I'm playing a straight character in a movie that is about, I don't know, an investigation for a demon. I don't want people to be like, well, let's queer theorize this movie because of something in Steven's personal life. I don't think that that's fair. I don't think that that's kind. I think it's maybe it's well intended and I understand that there's not a lot of older horror movies that have gay characters in them. But that being said, I also do want to say that I think it is there. There is a there there and I think that the parts that it's there are somewhere between like super funny and fun. But I really want to compliment the movie and I really do want people to take away that I think it's totally okay to connect with the feeling because I think the feeling is there. That's why I stand true that I think the best version of this movie is just make Jesse gay, make him struggling with these things, make him, you can put Grady in the film and have him struggling like, oh, this guy's my friend, but I'm also attracted to him. Just do it because I think that that's a great Freddie movie. And if you're the type of person that doesn't agree with me that you don't want that stuff in your film, we just have nothing to talk about. I don't think a Freddie movie can't have gay characters in it. I think that the feeling of how hard it is to come out and how afraid you are of those feelings and how you just feel that those sexual feelings are so rotten to the core and gross, especially in the 80s. People don't necessarily feel that way now. That's a wonderful thing. I connect with that. I remember what that's like. For me, it was different I was torn between being attracted to women as well, it was different. But I remember that feeling when I watched this movie. I do connect with that feeling. I never want this movie to have that totally extracted from it, but I don't want every single moment where Jesse says, let's get into position to be like, okay, well, this is like a secret coating. Right. Right. There's a certain point where that just feels like a stereotype than it does. That's, I agree completely. You know, an actual reading of a film that is very fun. This is not a dark song, like this is a very fun movie. That's my take. I wish the lead character was gay and I wish it was a story about him and his, I think a sister would be a really good role for her. And I wish it was about their love and how much they care about each other and how that sort of like confronts with this Freddie story, which I agree, it's one of the best freddies. I love that scene with him in the mirror. I love that scene. But dude, Freddie's Revenge is a good movie. Stop saying it's boring, stop saying it sucks. This is a good movie. It's way better than five. It's way better than six. It's probably as good as four, you know, but I'm an unapologetic fan of four. So, you know, that'll be the one where I defend it because I love four. But dude, this is a good movie. Get over your say. It's good movie. That's fun. Sorry, it's home or erotic. Guess what? Like movies. Get over it. I'm going to do my recap from the way I wrote it. And I might repeat a few points I've already made. I apologize for that in advance. Also Kim Myers, I just looked it up to be sure that she's the one that played Lisa. She's wonderful. She's very wonderful. You're wonderful. You're wonderful in this movie. This is not my favorite film in the franchise. I had been in the camp for years of this being the worst Elm Street film in the series, not only because I thought it was boring and out of character and online with the Elm Street lore as everybody else had done. As I got older, watched this movie again and again, I started seeing things differently and I found that a lot of my opinions changed. Most of those have already stated. After years of sitting with my opinions of this movie and coming at it with fresh eyes for the show, I can say I enjoyed this a lot more than I remember doing in the past. And while it's not at the top of my Freddie chart, it's certainly not at the bottom either. This movie's a little odd. It's a little unbalanced. There's actually a lot of stuff to love about it, even though some of it doesn't always work exactly right. Whether you agree with it or not and based on its own merit, this movie surprised me. I love how different Elm Street 2 is in comparison to the franchise and the original film. In terms of motivation and plot, I've never given credence to the purists who scream about it disregarding lore. It's only the second installment and nothing has been established or set in stone. I think all that stuff about it not fitting into the mythology is kind of nonsense and bullshit, honestly. If the second film had been a massive success rather than failure in the box office or whatever, people would have actually claimed this to be the evolution of the mythology, not stating that it was bullshit and not a part of it. If you view part two from the perspective of Jesse is sleepwalking and committing the violence in the real world under Freddie's influence, then it really doesn't break the rules set by the first installment at all and it makes perfect sense because Freddie was powerless when he was brought into the real world of the first one, so by using a sleepwalking avatar, he could influence the real world and maintain his supernatural powers. That's my hot take on that. Regarding the subtext, you said something that I thought was very funny. You were talking about Jesse screaming, read something online. Somebody said that Jesse was always screaming like a girl, which was there to represent his true self coming out. I don't like that. I know and I think that's stereotypical. That's the stuff I don't like. The reason I'm quoting it is exactly that. I absolutely have no problem with anyone living their life the way they want to live it as long as they don't hurt other people blah, blah, blah, blah. For you to have that point of view and to deliberately put those things into this film is stereotyping it, which is exactly what people who are on your side are fighting against. I just feel like I struggle again because I'm not in the community, but I want to be an ally for the community and I'm like, stop doing that to yourselves. Stop doing that to each other. Stop doing that all around. Just stop. If you... Best of luck. Best of luck. I know. I know. I don't agree with it either. I don't agree with it either. There are people that fucking hate my guts. They'll hate yours too. I know. I'm ready for it. It's fine. If you accept that the first movie was a film about the subtext of kids struggling with becoming teenagers, then it's not too far of a reach that the subtext here is a teen struggling with his identity or sexuality. We said before it's hard to tell who is right and who's wrong about the people who made this film and wrote this film because of the differing opinions over the years and opinions keep changing, the subtext is there in some scenes. I think they're justifiable as what the script wrote for it without it being some deeper meaning than that. But that's just me from the outside of the culture saying I didn't see it that way. A lot of people might see this technically as their first gay movie. The modern cultural reappropriation of this film from whatever it was intended to be in the original interpretation to become the cornerstone of a gay horror cinema is actually pretty marvelous. The fact that in my opinion, we've come so far from a very homophobic time era to allow for that, whether it was there or not, is marvelous. And this movie is good enough to capture a new generation so much that it went from being the worst in the series to a rocky horror style sleeper hit that has to be a good film. That has to mean something. And this isn't a great movie, but as a low budget 80 slasher, it's really fucking good. It has all the gore, horror, silly shit that makes us enjoy other movies like this that we have also covered on this show. And if the villain was anyone other than Freddy Krueger, if this wasn't an Elm Street film, we would have all had a lot more fun at his expense without all the controversy. Because this movie is attached to the franchise, which has become a gold standard for the horror genre, that's why we had so much weight to it. And a lot of things in this movie didn't work. Some of the acting was still too bad, some of the camera shit didn't work, some of the effects, whatever, whatever. It didn't always make sense. But goddamn it, this movie was fun. And there's always something to look at and laugh at and say what the fuck to, and the pacing wasn't completely riveting front to back, but the film was interesting all the way through. And it's not boring, which is the greatest sin a movie can have, as we say all along. So I didn't expect it to enjoy it as much as I did. I enjoyed it a hell of a lot, and that says a lot. You know, normally we don't like to respond to each other's points here because it just makes the episode go longer, but I can't help but bring up a couple of things. So number one, I love your point about the lore. That actually really challenged me. And I actually think I'm going to really think about that. I think that you may have totally changed my opinion on caring about the lore. Because you're right. I've said that about other movies when they're trying to square up what Michael Myers does in the first movie, what he does in Halloween kills, and I'm like, they did that because they literally ran out of camera footage that way. Exactly. Yeah. You know what I mean? We needed this done, and we only got three meters of film left. Go. These movies are real. They're not real. They're made under like circumstances. So I love your point about the lore because I think that that is really great and it does actually challenge my viewpoint. And I love your point about the evolution of this movie and how it has found a new audience and how marvelous that is because like I actually like I found your speech on that to be kind of moving like it almost actually did affect me a little bit because I agree with you completely. That was what I wanted to defend. I more wanted to want to stand up for the fact that I think it's a good idea to at least try to engage with what a film was trying to say, which doesn't mean that you can't really enjoy it for what it is. Right. And that you can't have a great time and it can't matter to you. It can't mean something to you. There are a lot of gay horror fans that really feel a little lost in the community, not because they don't love the community because they fucking love the community, but they feel kind of alone in it. They just have a million straight friends and none of their other gay friends down at the bar know what it's like to collect VHSes. Right. Right. You know what I mean? There's just things that horror people understand. They go out there and there's nobody else, they go to the party and it's a horror party and no one else there is gay, but they can get along with everybody else on the fact that they love the kills and carry to as well, like, you can feel a little different because everything about the horror community you connect with, except for this one thing, there's just nobody like you, you know, or very few people like you. So I love the fact that you say that like, if you find this movie and that's like a beacon for you, that's wonderful. And I also wanted to just add something that I forgot to add it earlier. I kind of love the pick this movie and I've been thinking about it because I was on Instagram and I saw that, you know, like in June and gay pride month, the National Park Service, which I follow on Instagram because I like parks and I like monuments and things like that. I think they were interesting, posted a picture of the Stonewall Inn and was like, you know, Stonewall Inn, important today for this reason, like they do with everything else, for sure. And to watch the comments have a fucking aneurysm over the fact that they posted this political post, which you know about the National Park Service, you have to be a fucking idiot to know that they don't. Buildings are part of the National Park Service. Weird that. Weird. Yeah. Sorry. Like they're not just quote, quote, quote parks, like it's you have to be a fucking dumb ass to not know that. And so it made me think to myself, you know what, we really haven't covered a movie that has like gay characters in it. And I was like, I kind of want to, because I kind of want to just call this out a little bit, even though sometimes I rag on the left too, because I found them ridiculous. Yeah. So I think your point is really great because it is really marvelous, even if it does seem like a time where you post a picture of Stonewall and a bunch of people have a fucking aneurysm over nothing. Yeah. We'll probably, so I think we'll probably do better, like not do better. Do better. No, what we will try to do in what I want to do in the next couple of months is actually like cover a movie that was not like, accidentally, horror movie, maybe a horror movie that actually has gay characters that's interesting and good, like a purpose, not just like one of the actors came out of the closet, like it's like a birthday party, like we had a pink flag in the background. It's gay. Right. You know, like I think we can, you know, I think there can be better one horror movies than that. Man, you're so right. This movie is so fun. And if it really connected you to the community in that way, then fucking God bless you. Agreed. 100% agreed. And I don't have to be part of the community to celebrate the community. And I think it should be celebrated. And I do think it's come a long way. And I think something like this proves how far there's so much more room to go. I get that. It's not winning the fight, but my God is it in milestone. And Leo does have a very impressive hat collection. Real quick. I do want to give a quick shout out to just we've recently made friends with another podcast called Cinema Slab. And I have been listening to some of their episodes. I haven't gotten to listen to all of them. They've been doing some recap on the show The Boys. I don't watch a lot of television. I love that show. The Boys is the boys is pretty much one of the only shows that I watch all different Star Trek ad nauseam verified. And I highly recommend that you go check out the Cinema Slab episode on both Critters 4, which you're welcome Cinema Slab for getting Critters 4. And also for their episodes on The Boys, which are spot on, they are just two ladies that are so fun to listen to. They just have a real casual attitude. And it is very much like the podcast of you sit around, you listen to your friends, talk about movies and TV shows that you like. So I want to give them a shout out because they're great. And we've enjoyed getting to know them. I couldn't agree more. I also want to thank everybody listening here for listening as long as you have. I knew this episode was going to run a little longer due to the amount of stuff we need to talk about and how much I wanted to say about this movie that I've been holding in for years. It's gone quite a bit longer than I thought it would. And the fact that you stuck with us and are listening and enjoying means a lot to me and Stephen, I'm sure, and I appreciate all of you. And if you really are upset that of all the movies, Leo really had a lot he wanted to say about, it was a movie called Freddy's Revenge that is not his to talk about. I am happy to cancel his ass. Please, please assume the position. Cancel that. Yes. Exactly. If you want to cancel Leo, which I am totally fine for, you know what to do. Write an email to a cut above horror review. Very nasty worded. Nasty. Nasty. Nasty. Yeah, I'm challenging you right now. You got to prove it. You want me canceled? You got to say so in the worst way. And include your nudes. That's right. And include your nudes. Feetpicks or GTFO. Yes. All right, everybody. We'll see you next week for an amazing movie, The Toxic Avenger. I'm going to get better than this. Bye. 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