Mariners played a maddening series in Miami, we give our instant reaction, and we react to listener mock trades + offer our own!
The Collins It Like It Is Podcast is two brothers talking Seahawks and Mariners. Get ready for WAR, trying sorry receivers, and breaking up family feuds! Like, subscribe, and follow us on X @collinslikeitis
Collins It Like It Is
32. Mock Trades + Madness In Miami
Mariners played a maddening series in Miami, we give our instant reaction, and we react to listener mock trades + offer our own!The Collins It Like It Is Podcast is two brothers talking Seahawks and Mariners. Get ready for WAR, trying sorry receivers, and breaking up family feuds! Like, subscribe, and follow us on X @collinslikeitis
- Duration:
- 1h 7m
- Broadcast on:
- 23 Jun 2024
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[MUSIC] Welcome back into the Collins It Like It Is podcast. We got all three of the Collins men on this episode. You got me, Stephen Collins. We got Sean Collins on here and our dad, Larry Collins. And I would just want to tell you this podcast started with just Sean and I, but we thought especially over the summer, my dad, the teacher, and there's a space over the summer to weigh in, to give some takes and to keep us in line here. It's like only a dad can't. So dad, welcome back in. Sean, welcome back in. Holy smokes. We're 32 episodes in, guys. That feels kind of crazy. 32, yeah, yeah, 32, it's been fun. It's been a fun ride. Sean, dad, say hey. >> Hey, you got dad, you're Sean. >> Go ahead, dad. >> Yeah, good to be here. It is summer time. I mean, a little pool time, a little yard work, a little, you know, stuff going on, lazy days. >> A little golf. >> A little golf. And believe it or not, I've been doing a little bit of work voluntarily, but yeah, never done with my position. >> There you go. >> But summer time. >> And a little bit of Mariners losing to the bottom feeders of baseball. So Sean, we all know you. Dad's still newer to the podcast, but Sean, we know you, and I know you got some feelings about this series. We lose a series to not the Baltimore Orioles, not to the New York Yankees, not to the, you know, monster squad. We lose the little fishies down in Miami, holy smokes. Sound off. >> Yeah. Oh, man. OK, I want to be perfectly clear about something with this series. We faced two spot starters for the worst team in baseball. It does not get any easier than facing two spot starters versus the worst team in baseball. I think the only way that this series could have been easier handed to you on a golden platter rather than a silver platter as if we were playing at home. Other than that, I don't think that there's a possibility of a series being more cupcake than two spot starters facing you in Miami against the Miami Marlins with that bullpen, with that lineup, it is an embarrassment the way that this series went. And I'm usually a glass half full guy, but I'm calling a spade a spade. This was an absolute embarrassment series. >> Stinker. >> It was more than a stinker. We've had stinker series and stinker series happened. You know, for example, the Phillies, they lost to the Rockies earlier this year. They lost a series of the Rockies. The, what team? >> Orioles lost to the A's. The Dodgers split a series with the Angels. There's a level of just like 162 games, weird stuff happens. That's a part of playing 162. The ball is going to bounce a weird way sometimes. I'm not saying that like football, but I'm just saying weird stuff is going to happen in 162 games. We saw, you know, the comeback against Clay Holmes, stuff like that is going to happen. Losing a series where you had such a huge advantage in the pitching, not by just, you know, a couple runs in the ERA category. We're talking, we had an advantage in one game where we had an eight ERA difference. In that last game, we were literally are facing a AAA starter. And he gave us fits. The guy that we were facing in game three, if you add his line. So Kyle Tyler plus AJ Puck, if you add them together, they gave us a qualities or they gave Miami a quality start. That is disgusting. >> Can't happen. >> Can not happen. Puck's got a six plus ERA, not even really a majorly caliber pitcher. Kyle Tyler literally is not a majorly caliber pitcher. He's a spot starter for the Miami Marlins. He ate our lunch, disgusting, not OK. And what makes it even more painful? What makes this series just we had the cupcake. We were going to the bakery, man. Look, it's the cupcake schedule here with the Marlins. And you had the Houston Astros sweeping the Baltimore Orioles. And you had the Texas Rangers sweeping. Blinking, who they swapped? >> No, the Royals. >> The Royals, thank you. And we gave them resurrection. It was Easter Sunday, man, because they're coming up from the grave, man, because holy smokes, you blink, and now six games back. Six games is a lot different than 10. And so it just stings to see the-- like you said, it was on a silver platter for us. And we have absolutely dropped the ball. >> Golden platter, silver platter isn't even giving it. >> Yeah, it's just-- it's hard to overstate how disastrous this last week has gone for the Mariners, just from a-- again, 10 games up, buried the Texas teams. They are facing two of the best teams in baseball, two of the 10 best teams probably in baseball. And they sweep those guys, and we lose a series versus arguably the worst team in baseball. The White Sox, they got something to say about it, too. But one of the worst teams, absolutely, in baseball. It's just absurd. It's just an absolutely absurd, unacceptable performance. To me, it also shows, man, I'm not blaming anybody individually. But at some point, it's just a lack of leadership. To be this bad on the road versus at home, their fingers have to get pointed somewhere with this stuff. And Sean, you had some stats that were, I would just say, really phenomenal here. You have to give some flowers to a couple people. But then there's some really shocking things that you had that I didn't even realize, man. So I don't know if you guys want to weigh on anything I just said, but I definitely want to give you space to share those things. >> Yeah, I'll say, you know, the last three weeks, we did what we were supposed to do. We took care of the Astros. We took care of the Angels. We took care of the A's. >> Swep the Rangers. >> Swep the Rangers. We won three out of four against the White Sox. We did what we had to do the last three weeks. So we don't want to discount what we did to get us in that 10-game lead. But it was pretty atrocious because the Marlins are missing pitching. They're missing their starting key players. And we just did the complete opposite. We took advantage of the schedule we had. And then we just gave it right back. At least, you know, we're just saying, OK, let's just say we win the series and then we win two games instead of one. So it's a one-game difference. But it's the way that we didn't win. That is the main issue. >> This felt like losing your all Seahawks fans, obviously. And many people here listen, Lazar, is this felt like those Josh McCown Cardinals games that we kept losing, where it's like, you just like, what is going on? Like, not all losses are pretty equal. We're just like, how are we letting these backup quarterbacks just beat us all those years where we got like an elite squad with Seattle and just let them walk all over us. I mean, the only difference here is Seattle is not really playing up. Whereas we used to say it's a Monday night game against the best team of football. Hey, we're at home. It's a lights are on. I have faith we can hang with anybody. Whereas this team, it's like we're kicked in the teeth by the elite teams. But we might also get our teeth kicked in by the seller. It's confusing and on the road, my goodness. I mean, any of that can happen. So Sean, man, before we get into somebody's pretty shocking, negative stats, a couple of people had a good series. So yeah, well, it wasn't all. Not everyone shares equal blame here. That's for sure. >> Yeah, absolutely. So Canzone, Bliss, Gilbert, those are the three guys I want to highlight and they were phenomenal. Not just good, they were phenomenal. Canzone a five for nine with a walk and a home run in this series. That's huge. And he's really getting going. I mean, he's got-- >> Yeah. >> I mean, his OPS now is in the mid 700s. He's kind of changed his-- I wouldn't say stance. That's not the right way to phrase it. But he used to have a really high leg kick and his timing was totally off. So he really struggled against off speed. Pictures would pretty much just exclusively throw him off speed and he couldn't hit it. And now he's kind of got a little toe tap thing if you watch him and timing's way better. So hopefully that is the start of what Canzone can be because not only was that a home run, that ball was absolutely obliterated. I mean, into the middle of the upper deck, it actually went into like the concourse, like so like where the fans would come out into the upper deck, you know, that little like tunnel. I mean, it's just like what the world. It was just crazy. >> You're having to put your head on a swivel in the top row. You know, good day. You're a fan, look alive up there. >> Yeah, Ryan Bliss, six for 10. I mean, when you're hitting 600 in a series, that's pretty eye opening. It's going to make Scott have a decision to make. When Polanco's back, what do you do with Bliss? I mean, if he's the hottest hitter on the team, you can't really sit that when you're struggling offensively, not going to sit your hottest hitter. So that's going to be really interesting to see how that's all handled. >> To piggyback on what you're saying, Sean, just to give bigger sample size, this does not include today, but actually, it's almost going to be the exact same stats. Canzone went one for three today. This month, Canzone's hitting 325 with a 940 OPS. So he's been on fire. Let me just do this in real time and give you Bliss's monthly game log here, just as far as how is he looking for the month of June? So we're looking at here, he's had more of bats even than Canzone. And he's about 317 with an 876 OPS. You can't pull those guys from the lamp. Those guys need to be getting a ton of bad bats. >> Yeah, the question shouldn't be, hey, do they stay in the lineup? The question should be, do they move up in the lineup? So yeah, that's pretty good pull there, Stephen. That's a good stats and good to see. And then obviously Logan Gilbert, eight innings pitch, zero runs, six Ks. What I did want to say is one thing that can't be overshadowed in this whole thing is the fact that our corner outfielders can play first base. And I think that's an important thing to think about and consider, especially as we get into this episode later, 'cause we're going to be talking about some trades and some things that we think can help really fix this, the glaring weaknesses with this team, we're going to have some ideas. And the fact that Luke Rayleigh and Dominic Canzone can play first base, that's pretty significant. So we'll get into all that, but just something to just kind of tease, you know. >> Let me add more teases that way too. The question you asked Sean, when Ty France went down for his injury, it was, well, which Ty France are we going to get back when he comes back? We didn't know with this heel injury, is it going to be out six weeks? Is he going to be out for, you know, six days? You know, we didn't know what's going to happen here. 'Cause, you know, he had a really awful start and then had a really good May. And so looking here, just how has he been in June? He's batting a buck 25 with a 600 OPS this month. And so the question of which Ty France are we getting? I'm not saying which Ty France will be in the future, but the immediate answer to which Ty France are we getting is the Ty France from April. It's that Ty France. And you can't be batting 600 with a buck 25. >> You could be batting 600, but you can't have a 600 OPS. A 600 OPS. >> Sorry, yes, that's what I mean. >> Yeah, oh, yes. >> Plus, that's 600, that'd be great. You can't have a 600 OPS. You were tracking with me there. >> Keeping a, yeah, making sure we're accurate. >> Yeah, yeah. >> You keep that 600. >> Yes, yes. That will work and not a 600 OPS. So anyways, Sean, there was a couple stats though that were negative that I didn't know. Like JP, for example, there's something there that you talk about deep cuts. This is a, I don't know if you looked this up yourself or if you found this online, but this is a deep cut here. >> Yeah, so I was just kind of thinking like, okay, what are the issues here? And I was just kind of tracking with what I was, like I guess let me back up. So today's JP strikes out and it was the terrible at that. And I'm just like, man, it feels like that's happened a lot with JP and I went back and, yeah, I went back and looked at some stats. And I was like, oh man, this is worse than I would have realized. Honestly, as good as JP Crawford was last year in just clutch situations, he's been kind of the 180 of that. And I've got some stats to prove it. So JP in late and close situations and on baseball reference, this is where I'm getting that stat, they classified late and close as plate appearances in the seventh inning or later with the batting team tied ahead by one or the tying run at least on deck. So that's what they're classifying as late and close. In late and close. >> It's winning time. >> Yeah, yeah, exactly. In late and close plate appearances, he's got a 422 OPS. This is, yeah, if you're wondering what it was last year, it was a little over a thousand. >> Totally smokes. >> We're talking about JP. >> Yeah, we need that JP desperately. We don't have anything close to that. And I'll even take it a step further. What do you think his batting average is in the ninth inning? >> Well, if his OPS is 422 in all these clutch situations, I'm going to say it's bad. I'm going to say it's bad. >> Dad, what do you think? >> Well, his overall is under 200. So it's late. (laughing) So I would have to say, yeah, he's 100. >> Zero, never gotten a hit. Never gotten a hit in the ninth inning. >> So you and I could get out there and we've had the same impact. >> 182 OPS. And that's obviously, if you're not slugging, or if you've got a zero average, you've got a zero slugging percentage. So he's got a 182 on base in the ninth inning with a 182 OPS. >> Wow. >> Yeah, that's not getting it done. >> That's atrocious. That's like pull the guy out of the stands. That's horrible. It doesn't get worse than a zero batting average. That's literally as bad as it gets. >> But the guy out of the lead-off spot is what that tells me. I don't want that guy getting as many played appearances as possible. If that's it. >> Yeah, we got to look at, yeah. Is JP the true lead-off hitter? I mean, I don't think he's ever been a true lead-off hitter because he does, not the stealing basis is the end, end-all be-all for a lead-off hitter, but he doesn't steal bases. He doesn't put a threat for the number two hitter to just have the pitcher thinking about JP of first base because pitcher doesn't have to think about him 'cause JP's not going anywhere. >> Yeah, I think about who, what version of Julio was the best? Obviously the Lincanity, you know, August from last year is the best we've ever seen Julio, but as far as just like a season he's put together, it was his rookie year when he was batting lead-off. I'd go back to that. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, he's leading our team in stolen bases. So at least that, you know, if you want to pigeonhole somebody into a spot, stolen bases leading the team, that should be your lead-off hitter. >> Yep, I would do that immediately. And I'd probably have, you know, you could keep having Rojas hit second. My third hitter probably turns into Luke Rayley. I don't know if you want your three and your two hitters to be platoons. But I just, I mean, again, we're going to talk about some trades. >> Yeah, but we need to fix it. >> Oh my gosh. >> I mean, where you're talking, like that's just sad reality. I was just looking at more stats since like Cal Rali's got, you know, 500-something OPS in June, Mitch Haniger, 500-something OPS in June. Like we, Miami, all these series, I don't know how much evidence we need. Like we have so much evidence. It's so clear what this team needs. They need bats. They need bats. We'll talk about some trades here in just a second. But Sean, I mean, how much more evidence do we need? Like this team needs bats. >> Well, you mentioned Mitch Haniger. He has a player option next year. He's obviously going to pick that up. I think it's like $17 million or something. So he's going to pick that up. And I don't think it really matters because if I'm being completely honest, I think that Haniger needs to be DFA'd. I don't see, especially when we make an acquisition. I don't see how he stays on the roster. It's a sad reality. I really like Mitch Haniger. I think that he is a great leader. I think that he-- >> Good clubhouse guy. >> He was once a great player. Right now, he is so bad. He offers, obviously, he's in the negative defensively in the outfield. He cannot hit left-handed pitching. He's been asked to be a platoon against left-handed pitching. He's abysmal versus left-handed pitching. The only value that you've actually gotten out of him is versus righties. And you're not going to start him against righties over Rayleigh or Hanzo. So I don't know what he does for you. And that's unfortunate. I don't think he's going to stay on the roster. But we'll see. I mean, that's a lot of money to eat. They may just keep throwing them out there to see if something sticks eventually because he is so expensive. But I just don't know how you keep that on the team. >> He's on pace for a negative two-and-a-half war season. >> No. >> I mean, that's a win. That's a win. >> That's a win. I mean, he's a negative win. He's negative 0.7 right now. >> Oh, actually-- >> I mean-- >> That's a win for a negative war. It's horrible. It's just horrible. >> Isn't it splits against right-handers, at least acceptable? 'Cause against right-handers-- >> Oh, yeah, totally. >> Where Garver has, you know, has positive splits versus left-handers. So, could Hannegar Garver be a DH split if need be? Now, hopefully we can take care of what we need to do before the deadline, but that is an option to look at Hannegar's stats versus right-handers and Garver's versus left-handers. >> Could I just put Polanco there and just play the hot hand and just kind of rotate 'em? But I think that all just kind of points to-- >> We need that. >> Yeah, and are you really gonna keep Hannegar around because he's 20 points higher than those two guys in the, you know, in slugging? I just don't know if that makes any sense at all. >> Yeah, well, this leads us right now. We need help. Everyone could see it, we're screaming at it. We've needed help since literally, I mean, stinking 2022, man. I mean, we went 18 innings versus the Houston Astros in the playoffs and couldn't score a run. Like, we've been screaming for bats and we've lost our stinking voice box, man. We've been screaming this for a long time. And so I wanna say thanks, seriously. I wanna say thanks to the people who sent us in some trades. Sean, I'm gonna have you lead through this portion. We asked people to send in their mock trades because it's clear we desperately need a bat. This is a championship level pitching squad, but our bats are not that to put it mildly. And so we need help. And so I think we had three people give some mock trades here. And so thanks for sending those in, Sean. Tell us who sent the trades in, what do they got and let's react to them? Yeah, I'll put on our GM hats on and just let's see what we think here. Yeah, so I wanna preface by saying, like you said, thanks for sending them in. This is great. We weren't necessarily anticipating anyone to respond 'cause we don't have a huge following to put it lightly. Huge following us and Joe Rogan, the two who just neck and neck. So yeah, to get some responses was really cool 'cause we put this out there on Twitter. So what I'll say is the suggestions that we've got or we'll read them, we'll analyze them. And then as far as what we'll be doing is, what would we need to do to actually make those trades work? That's what I'm gonna be looking at is taking those suggestions and if we need to tweak them, let's tweak them. And let's also look at it from the other team's perspective as well. Like would you do this from the other side? Yeah, 'cause it takes two to tango. Yeah, yes. We'll be looking at this objectively as much as we can. So our first trade that we've got is from Jake Lauden and he wants, or I should say he proposed, Mason Miller and Brent Rooker for Harry-- Oh, let's go. Yeah, oh, that's a big boy trade for Harry Ford, Tyler Locklear and Ty Pete. Dad, let's start with you. Well, let's see. So the bullpen arm is very attractive. So if we were to get Miller, I think we're gonna need that coming down the stretch. And I think that's a good target to get onto our roster. Rooker, I have a question marked around because where is Rooker gonna fit? I don't wanna put him in the outfield. Bingo. 'Cause we want to, well, I don't wanna, right? I don't wanna put him in the outfield. Correct. There are some assumptions. We have five weeks left before the deadline. My personal opinion is I think we're seeing some signs of life for Garver. So Garver, let's just say Garver does turn around his season at the plate. So where are you gonna put Rooker? That's my only, if five weeks from now and Garver hasn't turned it around, then Rooker could step in and do some DHing for us. But right this moment, a question mark, I think Ford Locklear has done extremely high on to my prospect list because he's shown he can play. Yeah, he has a 42% strikeout rate, but he doesn't look overwhelmed in the major leagues. So I think Locklear is a piece I'd like to keep on our prospect list and Pete is an athlete that, where's he gonna play? We have a lot of those actually in our prospects. So for me, I like Miller. Do we need Rooker and that's three good prospects to give up for a reliever and in a question mark, do we need him? So I'm gonna say no. All right. I would say no to that trade. I don't have any wrong, we do it. I could probably talk myself in again excited about Rooker, but here's my issue with this. He's batting in the month of June, 212 with a 680 OPS. He's had 66 at bats and nearly 30 of those at bats have ended in a strikeout. I don't need another Tiosco Hernandez. I don't need another true outcome guy who is going to swing and miss and swing and miss and swing and miss some more. And I get every player's allowed to have a slump, but what we need is a metronome. We need somebody who is going to be able to write the ship when we're through the fifth inning and we got nine strikeouts already and just it is ugly out there. Somebody who's just gonna put together professional at bat, put the bat on the ball and end that cold streak, somebody who's gonna be more consistent. And so to me as I look at this, Rooker seems like he would fit in great with a lot of what we already have in all the wrong ways. And so his ceiling is high. I mean, he, the month before he got in the mid-300s and had a thousand OPS. So I'm not saying, but that sounds a lot like a Julio. That sounds a lot like a cow. Just very volatile. The highs are high, the floors are low and I just don't know if that's really what our team needs right now. That'd be my critique and say I just Rooker to me feels too familiar in all the wrong ways. So I wouldn't pull the trigger on that. - Yeah, I agree. So here's where I'm at with this trade. If I'm putting on my Oakland A's hat, I think that they probably hang up the phone. I think that they are looking at Mason Miller and saying, if you're not giving us probably Brian Wu, Harry Ford and Logan Evans, I think they're probably saying not, not doing it. Sorry. I think that they have a premium closer with six years of club control. He's probably the best closer in baseball right now. I mean, it's either him, honestly probably Munoz, Cassey, Duran. Like he's in that mix. And if you got six years of that dude, you're not giving that up for prospects. - An idea. - An idea. So I think from the A's side of that, they probably laugh at it. And I don't think you're in the ballpark. So let's just, okay, I'll try and make this trade work because that's what I said I would do. So, okay, you'll have to take out Mason Miller and you'll have to put in Austin Adams, because at least that's getting the A's talking. So, all right, you'd have to give up all of that for Austin Adams and Brent Rooker. I'm out. - No, I'm out. - Yeah. And then the A's, they probably would want, they would probably, they probably would take Harry Ford out of the deal because they have Shea Langoliers. So, this trade really just kind of falls off a cliff. There's not a lot of meat on the bone for this one. Like the idea, we do need more impactful bats. We do need a bullpen piece, but I don't think that it's, I don't think that's the deal. This trade looked really good 30 days ago. Like it looked a lot better 30 days ago. I'm just being honest, this trade, we might have been like, I don't know 30 days ago. That's why you wait. I'm not saying we would have said yes to it, but it would have looked better. - Yeah. - Yeah. - We're wanting Rooker to stay in our dugout, don't let him leave. Yeah, he's, yeah, actually we were in Oakland, but yeah, we wanted Rooker to come over to our side. - Yeah, but yeah, I want to be as clear as I can. Mason Miller is going to cost you what we aren't willing to pay. So, yeah, so we have an elite closer. That's not, I mean, I want a high lever drum. Don't get me wrong. I don't need the highest lever drum that's out. - That's literally out there. So, yeah, what's the difference? - What's the next one? - Yeah, so this one is from long off the T on Twitter. Yeah, here we go. Let's get him. - I know you're Bryson DeChambeau right now. Hey, here we go. So, he wants to, or his idea is Brian, Brian Daelacruz for Michael Morales, Cole Young, and Jonathan Colasse. So, if you're not familiar with Michael Morales, he's not a name that we've thrown out there a ton on this podcast. You know, he's a decent pitching prospect for us. If you look at MLB.com, he's actually the highest ranked prospect. I think that's because the rankings are a little outdated. I think you'd probably put Brody Hopkins, you'd probably put Jeter Martinez, you'd definitely put Logan Evans ahead of him at this point. But he's a solid pitching prospect. I've seen him pitch a few times in Modesto, kind of has a little bit of a Mike Leak thing going on. I'd say that's the ceiling, probably a solid number three starter. So, I mean, it's definitely something to give up. But I would say that giving up a deal, or giving up Cole Young and a deal for Brian Daelacruz is a non-starter for me. What do you guys think? - Yeah. Go for it. All right. - Go for it. - So we got Morales, you said Pete. - No. - Morales Cole Young. - Morales Cole Young, Johnathan Klase for Brian Daelacruz. - Yeah. Well, first of all, Young, I'm not going to give up Young necessarily for Daelacruz. And like you were saying, Morales was our highest rated ranked pitching prospect who's having a great year in Modesto. He's 21 years old. We got him out of high school. - He's an Everett. - Everett. Yes, he is an Everett. - Yep. - I was just thinking he was in just A, but he was an Everett. - Yep. - So, I think Morales is a good prospect to dangle as a trade piece. And I would not want to trade Young, Morales, and Klase for Daelacruz. Although I like the idea of Daelacruz because when we get to our trade proposals, I think an outfielder is one of our targets that we should be looking at to improve our lineups. Would I give up Klase and Young and Morales? I think that is too steep of a price for Daelacruz. Positive about Daelacruz is he still has three years of arbitration left. I believe he is 27. Well, actually how old is he? - 27. - 27, and yeah, three arbiers left and it's a right-handed bat, which I like his profile, but I think that's giving up too much. - The problem with the trade is Daelacruz isn't very good. That's what we're wrong with this trade is we're talking about a guy who's a two-war player who's never even been a two-war player. Like we're talking about a guy whose career high is a point, is a one-war season, his rookie year. Like he's 0.7 this year. Like I'm not going to give up premium prospects for a guy who's ceiling is what we're like a 730 OPS. Like that's not fixing our problem if we need bats that are going to radically change to the same, he's a nice piece, but he can't be the fish we're trying to acquire. So that's my thing. I don't need to go off too long on that. I just don't think it's a big enough deal to, if we're going to trade, coal-young, I got to get something bigger than Daelacruz for that. - Yeah, I've given up young for Daelacruz. So if I was to make that trade work, I would go one for one, Classe for Daelacruz. - Oh yeah, I'm in for that. - Yeah, that would probably push Haniger off the list. I'm not giving up Morales. So that'd probably be adding, oh, I don't know. Louis Swissbell, somebody in that range, a player like that. I'm not adding a premium pitching prospect and the best shortstop in our system or arguing by some people. I'm not, no, I'm good. Especially when coal-young is, I mean, he could be up next year. - Oh yeah. - I'm not talking about a guy that's 20, 27 when our kids are, you know, in junior high. - Yeah, if this was for like Vlad, junior, all right, let's go, you know? We're not talking about that. We're talking about Daelacruz, now we're talking, Brian, that's so much. Yeah, yeah, Sean, did we have one more or is it kicking dust now, putting our GM hats on? - Yeah, we don't have any more. We did have Jay, you know, we know him. Jay's tried and he's been on our show. He just wants to know, does it make sense for us to get a lefty to try and face the guardians and the playoffs or anticipating facing the guardians and the twins and the playoffs? And that kind of tees up where my head is at, but just, I'll give you guys a floor on that one first though. Do you think that we should try and acquire a lefty at the deadline in the rotation? - I think our five starters right now is hard to improve on. - Yeah. - As long as Miller pitches at home. (both laugh) But don't give that guy a playing ticket. - It makes sense to get a lefty just because we're going to have, you know, the twins and the guardians and I think, yeah. So it makes sense, but I wonder if Keiko's already our lefty for that purpose that we can bring up in playoff time. - Yeah. - Or a down stretch or, but now if we went the whole off season, kept our five starters, so are we going to trade our starter now, or one of our five starters now? - Yeah. - So we'll consider that, but the idea of giving a lefty makes sense. - Yeah. I would really like to see a lefty bullpen arm and that could be Keiko. I'm not taking, I mean, I don't anticipate that, but you know, you're telling me, let's say in the playoffs, we are facing the guardians and you just tell Miller, Bryce Miller, let it rip for three innings and then you tell Keiko, let it rip for three innings when that just crazy part of their lineup comes up with Kwan and what the mayor got it. - Although he's switched it right. - Yeah, but he's, I mean, yeah, he's a future Hall of Famer. It doesn't really matter, but who's the, no, I'm drawing a blank on his name. He's, he's awesome. He's like a-- - Nailer. - Nailer, yeah, yeah. So we'd love to have a lefty to face those and I don't, I don't really anticipate us bringing inspire in the, you know, fifth inning. So yeah, I would like to get a higher leverage arm to face that part of a lineup if we did face him in the bullpen, but there are much bigger needs that I see. - Yeah, this to me feels like a situation where this picture somebody's like working out at the gym and they're like just absolutely shredded biceps, arms, just like killing it. They either got the chicken legs and it's like, man, if you are going to go run a triathlon or if you're going to go do some like kickboxing, like one of these things is really helping you. One of these things is really hurting you. So the answer is not like do more bicep curls. The answer is like get on a squat machine and start helping, the mayor is right now. Their starting pitching is not where we need help. Their starting pitching is not what needs adjustment or more ammo. We desperately need to do some squats and get some bat. So I'm not really a fan right now trying to throw resources in that direction. Like whatever energy the front office is doing to acquire starting pitching, take all that energy and apply it to another area of our team. That's now where we need help. So that'd be my thoughts on that. - So yeah, I 100% agree. So now let's jump over to our own trades that we would do. This isn't coming from our listeners anymore. This is our ideas. What would we want to see the team do? What would we, how high of an acquisition would we go after? What's the path that we think is the best? Let's get after that. Whoever wants to start first, let it rip, let's see your trade proposal. I think that's going to go to dad first. - Yeah, all right. - What do you want to see? Then let's be perfectly clear. This is the fix of the lineup. We can talk about bullpen and all that another time, but this is fixing the everyday lineup. Just want to be perfectly clear with that. I want to acknowledge we do need relievers. That's not what this exercise is about. This is the lineup. One, two, nine. - No, no, that's not what I was told when I did my trade material. I was just in front of it. - No, we can go with it. So what do we need? We've been screaming it for a month or longer or since off-season. We need bats. Not only just any old bat, we need a middle of the order bat. And we need somebody who's going to put the ball in play, hit with, so that's taking care of both putting, putting the ball in play and with a little pop, putting them in the middle of the lineup. And it's going to cost you. There are some assumptions that I'm going to make. I think we are going to see plonco turnaround. I think we're going to see Garver continue his positive trend. I think we are, Ty France isn't going in the positive direction, but I think Ty France is still going to be part of our equation. Didn't look at all the teams. I looked at just the teams that are pretty much out of it. So that's just a handful of teams. But there are two teams that I looked at who are still in the wildcard chase, but they're both teams are number four in their division. And they're under five. So they're under 500, still within the so-called wildcard number three, but they're number four in their division. So that would be the Detroit Tigers and the Tampa Bay Rays. So technically they're still in the race, but really they're not in the race. So if I were to look for what we need, we need to either upgrade our corner outfield. I'm going to say right field because right now I have Ken Zone and Haniger as our right field. And we also have Rojas and more as our third base platoon. So we need to upgrade one of those two positions, third base or the outfield. And I'm going to choose who's going to give us the biggest bang for the buck because I think Ken Zone is on upward trajectory. And I think Rojas has already hit his ceiling. And more we need him as we need more as utility guys. So I'm going with a guy with three years of arb. He's a right-handed bat, power bat. They could slot into our middle of our lineup. And I'm going with Esak, Paredis from the Tigers. - Let's go, Rojas. - Esak. - We can use him, Paredis. - Okay, yeah, you'll have a lot. I feel like, yeah, here we go. Give you the keys to T-Mobile Park. - Yes, it's going to take a lot. So there's either, so there's two ways you can go. I think we would have to take from our starting pitching, which means we'd have to make another deal. But anyway, I'm just going to take probably Miller or Wu to get Paredis. I'm going to say one for one. I'm going to say Miller or Wu for Paredis. - You got to pick one. - Yeah, well, I'm getting there. - Okay, all right. - Did I get to say that? - I have always said-- - Make it, we do your work for ya. - I've always had Ryan Wu ahead of Miller. I just like Wu's stuff or like Wu's trajectory. Obviously, like Miller in our starting five. But I'm going to go ahead and offer Miller for Paredis. Straight up. - There we go. - Can I get an alternate? Can I do an alternate? - Let's just say we are not going to do our starting pitching, but we're going to do prospects. Our prospects, there's two prospects I'm not giving up. I'm never giving up Emerson, Colton Emerson, and I'm not giving up Celestine. Everyone else's is a possibility. But I'm going with a young and Ford, and I like Morales. So young Ford Morales for Esauk. That's not Isaac, he's Esauk Paredis. - Wow. - So it's either give them prospects or give them a starting pitcher. - And you're just letting them choose, which package do you want? (laughing) - Sure. - Okay. - We'd have to make sure we have a fifth starter in another deal, which could be a left-hander, could be Jack Flaherty of the Tigers, 'cause I also have an idea for the Tigers, but we're just going to stick with the Paredis. Third base, you're going to put Rojas on the bench, Moors on the bench, Ken Zone is in right field. We'll figure out Hanigur later. - Yeah. - See the right field or third base, and I'm going to say the biggest gap that we could close is third base. - All right, Steven, let me just jump that over to you. You're doing either of those deals. Put your, put your raise hat on and your manners hat on. You're doing either of those from either side. 'Cause that deal didn't go, man. I think the raise would do the deal for the prospects. I think they would jump on that just 'cause they're not one piece away. They're a lot of pieces away, especially when they're staring down the Yankees and the Orioles in that division. So the idea of getting multiple prospects. I would, man, so I probably wouldn't do the prospects deal, but the middle one to me is interesting. But at the end of the day, I'm hesitant to pull, to pull from that starting five. I think that's a starting five that can be around for a long time that you're just set and forget for the next half decade, whereas I think we might be able to find value in other places. So I'm hesitant on either ones. I wouldn't hate, I wouldn't hate either one of those deals. But right now, if you said I gotta pull the lever, I would pull the lever of no on both versions of that trade today. - Okay. I think that I would do that deal if it was Brian Wu on both sides. I think that the raise value Wu more than Miller. I think that-- - That's a why? - Yeah, I think that that's been like, I don't think that's a rumor. I think that that's a thing. And I think that that's where that deal, you have to ask yourself, are we willing to give up Brian Wu for Brady's? Would I do that deal? Yes. - I would do that deal. - I would do that deal too. I would do it. I would do it. - You mentioned the show. I think he's gonna be a perennial I/O candidate. And so I think the odds of him being versus Miller are very different. I don't need Miller to be a three-starter and he didn't even be a five-starter. - But we need a pitching on the road too. - Yeah, that's true, that's true, that's true. But yeah, I'd be more apt to do the one-for-one with Wu, actually, so I agree with you, Sean. - Yeah, I would also do the prospects too from Mariner's side. I don't think that the Rays would do it. I think that they would need more. - I think they probably would need one more and I don't wanna give up the future for-- - Yep. - 'Cause even though Friday says he has three arbiers left, so even though he's gonna cost money, he is still a young prospect in the sense he has got three years of team control, but it's gonna get expensive. - Yeah, I think that one deal, I haven't looked at any names or I don't have a name to throw out there. But I do think that there's a world where the Rays could give us a starter and we keep them, Michael Morales has been a hot topic. We could give them a Michael Morales. - Yep. - They give us just a guy that even fill in for the rest of the year would be fine. - So always, whoever's name is. - Exactly, somebody like that. - I think that there is a world where we make a deal with the Rays. We've obviously traded with them a ton, so not a far-fetched idea. That would be a tough pill to swallow giving up Brian Wu or Bryce Miller. You're asking me today, would I do it if I'm the Mariners? I'd do it if it's Wu. If you're asking me if I'd do it if I'm the Rays GM, I would do it if it's Brian Wu. So I think that is, I wouldn't say it's likely, but I think that there's something there. There's some meat on the bone there. That's all I'm saying. - See if anything else you want to weigh in with that one? - No, I'd be excited. Let's be honest. I can talk here on the podcast, but we'd be firing up an emergency podcast talking about it. We'd be super excited. We get better, I think is the answer to that trade. - Yeah, Rojas goes on to our bench with more and I got some other people on the bench. - And maybe you flip Rojas for a starter in that situation as well. - I probably don't, I probably keep Rojas personally. - Either way, our team gets better, so. - Stephen, what you got, what you got. - Okay, here we go. - My trade is half serious and half for content. Let me just preface this here for a second, but let me say this, you know what I love? I love a good like redemption story arc. I love the story where the person who is down and out, the person that you overlook, the person that you forgot about, comes back with a great comeback. And just that redemption, we all love that, we all cheer for that, we all want to root for that. So I'm creating this. This is my story, this is my narrative. I'm creating a redemption story here for this person. I want you to rewind the clock back to 2022. And I want you to picture, this team was down and out. This team was underperforming. And then all of a sudden, there was this serious bird saying about time. And there was a couple birds that were flying in the air, if you know what I'm talking about. They were tweeting those birds and there was a brawl. There was a brawl and there was a man who was in the middle of that brawl. And man, his name was Jesse Winker. And that guy, let me tell you what, that set us on a collision course for the greatest season that we've had in 20 years. And none of that happens without that, just that mauler, that brawler, that guy who's taking nothing from nobody, that type of mentality. And I'm telling you, we're missing that on our team right now. We're missing people that just get pissed off. We're missing people that say, you're not gonna push me around. We're missing people that are just saying like, no, I'm gonna be a leader here and we're gonna do something. Now, we don't miss his like buck 45 average. I don't think we missed that. But right now, hey, here's been his month of June, 350, six batting average with a 950 OPS. Okay, he's rocking right now. He's on pace for a five and a half war season right now. He's having a killer year right now, okay? Jesse Winker, we could use his bat. We could use the left-handed bat. We could use him right now. He's got an 800 OPS for the season, got a little bit of pop still. And we know there's a world where he's the best left fielder basically offensively in baseball. Like that's in there somewhere. And so for me, who I'm trading? I'm trading Jesse Winker and Finnegan, their closer. 'Cause I wasn't just taking offensively. I was thinking holistically to make our team better. And I said we can get Finnegan, a leverage arm and winker who I think could be an impact bat for us. And we're not giving up anything that compromises the future. I'm putting a Band-Aid on this year. Unapologetically, but a Band-Aid on this year for Class A and Vargas. So I'm not willing to touch any of the premium prospects. I'm not willing to touch any of our premium starting pitchers. I say, hey, let's put as best as we can lipstick on this pig. And we're gonna do the lipstick of Jesse Winker and Finnegan for Class A and Vargas. So that is my answer. And tell me the content on that trade if it works out is not absolutely amazing. - That's something that is quite a proposal. - So I wanna add nuance to what you're saying. So it's a year and a half of both players. So just wanna throw that out there for whoever's listening. So it's a year and a half of both Finnegan and and winker. - The wink dog. - And what I, I mean, I miss the double birds as much as you do. And I've got some, the warm and fuzzies, but you know what I don't have the warm and fuzzies for? Is when I went to Oakland and watched them play the A's. And for some reason, there's a ball head out to the left field corner. And Jesse Winker, I don't know, like I feel like my daughter who's born a half years old would be able to pick up the ball quicker than Jesse Winker was. And I just think about that. I think about how done. I mean, how utterly done with Jesse Winker, Scott Service was. At the end of the 2022 season, to say Scott was over it is the biggest understatement. It just the, the inability to be coachable, the inability to make adjustments, the inability to listen to anybody to the end at the end. It started to become an effort issue with Jesse Winker. You're asking me if I'm willing to bring that back. I think you're nuts. (laughing) - Yes, you do. So back like we're living in 1974 in the National League, there's a position called the designated hitter that I can put him in. So that's what I'm thinking about. - Okay, so you're willing to just put Mitch Garver in all, in his $12 million for the next two years on the bench to be our backup catcher. - We can teach him to play first base. (laughing) - Might have happened already, but who knows? - Yes, seriously though. Actually, here's the deal though with Jesse Winker. His war, his defensive war, this year, it's only negative point one, man. I'm just saying, it's not the dumpster fire at once was. I'm not saying it's good, but I'm not saying it's the dumpster fire at once was. So anyway, I told you this is half serious, half for the content. So you're getting a little bit about that. - There's the content. - Sean, give us the big fish. - Well, wait a minute, are we gonna-- - No, are we gonna make your trade work or? - Yeah, we're gonna make your trade work. - This trip already works. - What are we talking about? - The nationals are gonna do it 'cause they, that helps them, like Winker and Finnegan aren't, they're not in a window to compete, they're gonna want Colossi and Vargas, that they're in the right window of people there, that the money works all of it. It's gonna, everyone says yes to this. - No, I don't think-- - Except for Scott Service. - And I don't think Washington does either. Finnegan is a, he's an older, he's 32, and he's obviously a leverage arm, and that's what we need. We need a leverage arm, I'd like to get that, even though we're gonna talk about the everyday lineup. No way do I want Winker on our roster. So there's that idea. Winker, I just don't want Winker. - Yep. - It seems like he's changed. - Let me do, like him, his posture in Washington seems like he's matured a bit. Again, the redemption story here, guys. Come on, then she's the least, as he's-- - Well, you know, hopefully he can just keep on moving with Washington. - Yeah, come to Washington. - Come to Seattle, Washington. - But I do like the team you're trading with. That's a good team you're trading with. I like what they have for arms, if we're gonna talk about that. They have Hunter Harvey, they have Finnegan, who I think would be attractive to come to our way, but he chose the wrong outfielder. I think the outfielder that I would like from the Nationals is Lane Thomas. Lane Thomas was injured, so he's coming back and he's had a good little coaching. - He taught us in 720 OPS, give me a break. (laughs) - But I'm just saying, if you're gonna do the Nationals, it was the wrong outfielder. I like that Lane Thomas is a right-handed bat that can platoon 'cause that's just what Scott does. He platoon, so I want the right-handed outfielder. Lane Thomas, 28, so he's a little older and he only has one arbier left, so we also get him for a year and a half. - Yep. - And I don't think it's, I don't think Class A and Vargas is enough. I think you're gonna have to probably, Arroyo is in our top 10. I think you're probably gonna have to go with Arroyo and Class A. - Yeah, I'm just gonna say, we spend a lot of time on Jesse Winker, and I'm just gonna say our 10 listeners are like, hey, it's time to move the ship along. So Sean Collins, you give us your trade 'cause nobody's excited about Jesse Winker like I am. I get it, I can take it. John, move the ship along. - You have to sub-hunter Harvey in for Finnegan. So that's the way that deal gets done. Okay, here's the big fish. This is the trade of all trades. And this does have some thought to it. I'm not just going out on a crazy tangent. I think back to the Juan Soto deal. And it wasn't a one-for-one. It wasn't a, it wasn't anything like that. It was a bulk deal with the bulk of the return for Soto being high-end prospects. And it wasn't just for Juan Soto. And I wanna make sure to preface that. It wasn't, the trade was not just for Juan Soto, it was for Juan Soto and Josh Bell. So it's not far-fetched to say, all right, if we're getting a player, we could also get a big fish and something else. So think back to dad, your trade, the parades and somebody else that we need, maybe that bullpen arm. So that's kind of the preface of mine. So I gotta go back and find it, one second. It's on our notes here. I wanna make sure I get the, okay, here we go. All right, I'm trading with the white socks. I want Luis Robert Jr. I want Copic and his 102 mile hour fastball where he doesn't know where it's going. I want that arm and I want Fettie. And what I'm giving up is gonna sting, but I think it's what it's gonna take and I think it makes sense. We're gonna give up Brian Wu. We're gonna give up Tyler Locklear. We're gonna give up Ty Pete. We're gonna give up Michael Morales. And we're gonna give up our closer in AA who's been lights out in Troy Taylor. So that is a five for three deal. So it's a little bit of bulk for bulk, but I think it adds up. So Robert and Wu to me, or they've got more in common than you'd think. They're kind of similar in the sense of like, when they're healthy, they're awesome. But they're kind of equally like, ah, I mean, it's kind of a coin flip if they're going to be. So I think those two players kind of would work as a one for one. So I'm doing that. I think it leans a little bit on the Seattle side. Like I think that that deal favors Chicago. So to balance that out, I'm going for Copic. I'm going Troy Taylor as a one for one. And then to get Fettie, I'm giving up Pete Morales and Locklear as a five for three deal. That solves giving away Wu or not giving away Wu, but trading away Wu, we bring in Fettie to take that spot in our rotation. We have Louise Robert Jr. And in return, the White Sox are getting basically a rebuild, you know, a little mini rebuild there. The way that the, the way that the nationals did for Louise Robert, or sorry, for Juan Soto. So that's my trade idea. What do you guys think? - Dad, do you go first? - All right. And you know that I've talked about Locklear being higher on my list. So Locklear isn't quite a no trade prospect for me, but he has gone up in value. And so actually, I'd like to hang on to Locklear because one, I don't know what we're doing with Tye France. And I think Locklear is our future first baseman. - You got to remember, we got Rayleigh and Canzone. They can both play first base. - I'm not counting on Canzone play first base. I don't know, has he actually done it? That'd be kind of a key point, but Rayleigh definitely good. So I'm actually wanting to swap out another high value prospect. And I think I'd trade Las Montes and keep, actually be switching Montes and a Royal going onto the trade and Pete and Locklear coming off of the trade. - I'm out. Steven, what do you think? - I'm out on this deal that you proposed, Sean. And it really has to do with the more I've dug in to Luis Robert, first time nailed it. Here we are. If you've been listening to the podcast, you know this is an ongoing thing. I don't think that he's elite and you're giving up an elite haul for a player that at the end of the day, I don't think it's actually that big of a difference maker. This version of it, maybe in previous seasons, but he's been bad all year, he's been hurt all year. He came back from an injury and he's still not good. And at the end of the day, I'm trading for someone. I'm trading the farm and I'm trading significant assets for somebody that I'm not sure is actually a great baseball player. I'm not sure is actually an impact bat. I'd like to believe that. I haven't seen a ceiling like Vlad. And so if you told me this was for Vlad, I would say, yeah, I'm in. 'Cause Vlad has shown at least a ceiling that Robert has never shown. And at least Vlad this year has shown, and Vlad has always shown he can stay for the most part healthy. And so... - You're giving up Brian Wu for a year and a half of them. Vlad, Jr. - Well, I'm assuming we're gonna sign him. I mean, but I mean, obviously we're not in front of us. - I didn't know we could do that. - I didn't know we could do that. - We're signing contracts too. - Yeah, that's off the rails, man. - I'm just saying I'm not doing it for Robert. I'm not doing it for Robert. Is my point that I'm not willing to give up. I think what do I think Robert is? I think Robert's gonna be a low 200 hitter who's gonna be a three to four-war player who's gonna hit high sevens, low eights, OPS, and might hit 25 to 35 home runs every year. I think that one of our prospects can become that. I don't think that we have to spend freemium prospects to get that guy. I think that that is acquirerable through other things. The one guy you can't acquire anywhere, though to say like, you gotta go get, is Jesse Winker. I mean, all right. (laughing) - Well, I think it's the whole package. - I think Paredes to me is more interesting than Robert at the end of the day. Like as far as who I'm willing to go spend bigger on, I think Paredes is harder to emulate in some ways than Robert. - Yeah, that's why I'm doing this. - Yeah, I think it's a fair deal. I think if we check out Robert's history of injury, 'cause we always have to do physicals, if he checks out, I like Copic in our bullpen. I like Fettie. He's cheap, he's 15 million for two years. So that's cheap. So that's excellent for a fifth starter. So we're replacing Wu. We do need an out filter, although I chose a third baseman in my mock. And I don't think the prospects who we're giving up isn't clearing out our prospects. We still got Celestine. We still got Colt, Emerson, still have Young. I mean, we definitely did not clear out our prospects to get Robert and a bullpen arm and a fifth starter. So I think it's, if we do a physical on Robert and where it comes back clean, I'd take Robert as a four-war player. So I think that's what he can be. - Yeah, if we do that trade, I'm gonna be, again, fire up the emergency pod, man. We're excited, but if you ask me what I do it, I'd have a hard time swinging for that one. But it's, I think it's creative within our confines that are reality and it makes us likely a better team. But like you said, they're similar to Wu and that both of them, there's no guarantee any of them are gonna finish the rest of the season. There's no guarantee any of them will have a long career at all with their already showing injury history. So I do agree with you, Sean, that there's in many ways you are similar players, so. - Yeah, you mentioned that the, "Oh, our prospects can be that." Dude, we gotta win now. We gotta win now and we gotta win later. That's the plan, that's the goal, that's gotta be the goal. And I know you've mentioned in the past like our real window starts in a couple of years. Nah, forget that. We have a, you know, we've got three aces in our rotation right now. Go get after this thing. - Kurt is not an ace. And I don't think Castillo is either. I think Gilbert might be the only guy who really is. And even with that, like none of those guys are really gonna be. - You're splitting hairs right now. - You're splitting hairs and you're missing the point. We have a stud. - Drop three. - Rotation. Yeah, you tell me in a playoffs, you let Miller rip for three innings. And here comes, you know, the back end of our bullpen when Santos and Logan Evans and this, you know, in a trade acquisition happens, that's lethal. You don't just like, you know, ah, well, we'll get after it in a couple of years. Nah, you get after it right now. And all the trades that we mentioned, especially the ones where you're giving up Brian Wu, here's the thing, Brian Wu's probably not helping you in the playoffs. And let's be perfectly clear with that. Brian Wu, if you're banking on Brian Wu giving you anything in the playoffs, you have to picture that as gravy. It's not likely it's probably not going to happen. He probably doesn't even, he probably gets shut down by the time that happens. And when we're talking about Brian Wu, he probably is getting babyed next year too. You know, he came out of the gate hurt. He's hurt right now. He's constantly complaining about forearm tightness. - Sure, but-- - And just gonna roll into next year and like, oh, you know, let it rip 200 innings, heck no. - Sure, but you're trading for a guy who's been a buck 80, who's got a 500 OBS, who's, you know, hasn't played a full season. He's ever once in his whole career. I just think at the end of the day, we're not getting a sure thing back. And the idea that he's some middle of the order stud who's just gonna fix all our problems offensively, I think is not realistic. Could he be that? Maybe, but you're asking him to be something he really has never been. And so I'm just, I'm not convinced on it. And that's like, we'll see. Would I be excited that they do it? Sure. Do we desperately need offensive help? Yes. I think all the bats we're talking about are flawed in many ways. I think that the idea of going after a Vlad, going after a Piedlons, a going after, see, you know, half joke and going after a Wink or going after a Robert, going after these guys, I think there's a significant amount of question mark. Brady says probably the least amount of all those guys. So at the end of the day, we're not talking about getting somebody like a Juan Soto. Like we're not talking about getting a guy like a Mookie Betz. We're not talking about getting a guy like a Freddie Freeman. Like these are categorically different guys. And the problem is we need one of those guys. And one of those guys isn't available. And that's the part that sucks. It's like we can't get one of those. Like we need a guy in the middle of the order that strikes fear in everybody. And Robert, he's not that right now. Will he be that? Maybe one day. Vlad was that for at least a season. I just, we need a guy who's a true impact bat and I just don't really see a way for us to truly get that guy. And so if that's the case, at least go get a rental. I don't want to clear the farm for a guy who's nice. A guy who's like, good enough. A guy who's better than what we have. I want to get a guy who's a difference maker if we're going to trade significant pieces in our farm. And maybe that's not realistic, but that's where I sit. Well, we're not going to clear our farm for a rental and we're not going to clear our farm from just an incremental increase. I also don't think that any of the deals we've proposed clears out the farm. That's not my definition of clearing out the farm. We'd still have lads, we'd still have Mont or we'd still have Emerson, we'd still have Celestine. We'd still have Farmello. We've got a lot of bullets in the chamber in our farm system. We haven't even touched any of that. We just don't know if they're blanks. Top three. Yeah, yeah. So. But what I honestly think we're going to do, I don't think we're going to go get brightest in Robert, and definitely not get a winker. I think a lot of good content on podcast. I think we're going to get it. I think we're going to get somebody that can play right field with Ken's own right-handed bat. And I think that could be daily crews. It could be Lane Thomas. It could be. Well, Connor Joe. Connor Joe and I haven't looked at it. But the Colorado Doyle. No, sure. Colorado was out of it, too. So you only have a limited five weeks away from the trade deadline. You only have a limited number of teams you can even look at what is possible. So I think really what I think we're going to do is just get an incrementally increase of better than Hanneker to play right field with Ken's own. We're going to probably roll with more in Rojas at third base. Rayleigh and Moore are, I guess, at Frojas and Moore at third base is going to be. Maybe Robles stays around. Who knows? I'll say the big acquisition that we just need of you as an acquisition is Polanco. Like that's the guy who needs to be the mid-season acquisition and be who he's always been. If that's the case, again, I think that's a big if. But I think that's just as if he is, you know, Robert. Or if any of these guys, Polanco has shown just as good of a track record as any of these guys we're talking about. Same with Mitch Garver. I mean, at some point, some of these guys-- Julio just has to be Julio. I mean, at some point, the major acquisition might just have to be we get a different player that's in the lineup. But I also think we need to go out and get somebody. So I think that's part of the fun of this is-- and we're running way past time here-- is that the fun of this is there's a lot of different routes we can go. There's a lot of different roads. And every single one of these trades, except for the one, honestly, I proposed, will give me pretty excited at the end of the day. And so we need help. We need them to go-- it's going to be costly. Good players don't cost nothing. And so it's going to hurt. And so that is the thing you got to stare down. And so if it's a parades, if it's a robber, yeah, those would help. Yeah, totally, totally. And we have put ourselves in the position that, like you said, Sean, you can go get a player who has potential. And you don't have to gut the farm. There are more impact bats coming out the pipeline. And so that is a good thing. So any last words, dad, Sean, before we close the thing up? We've got five weeks to see what we got in all those players. Garver, Polanco, Ty is really for real. Rojas for real. Bliss. Bliss is bliss for real. And personally, I do think Polanco's going back to second base. But Bliss has-- Polanco's due to come back July 5th. Is he going to come back earlier? If he comes back earlier, he's going to play. If they stretch him out all the way to July 5th, that's given Bliss just kind of audition for-- Polanco wasn't in the lineup for the Rainiers. So he might even come into Tampa, man. I think if he's coming back, he's playing. Yeah. When you see what he is, he's a big deal. So Sean, any last words? Before you die? [LAUGHTER] Oh, bad. Guys. No, I mean, the only thing I was going to maybe mention is, yeah, I wouldn't say that any of the trades that we mentioned are likely. But I think that, especially the two that Dad and I said, we would be better, and we're not getting the farm. So it's something to think about. I mean, that's at least our goal. Get you thinking, getting to see what's possible, and trying to think objectively on both sides, would both sides of the argument do it. And can't just look at it with Mariners, goggles. Yeah. Totally, totally. So I brought up the Tigers incrementally better than Hanniger would be, Mark Cannon. Retread from last year, only because he's better than Hanniger. Yeah. Who are you giving up for him real quick? I always throw out Classe, but-- Yeah, sure. There you go. I like it. Sure. I'm into that one. There we go. On that note, send it, Jerry. Let's go. That's like this happened. So guys, thanks for listening. This was an extended episode. Talking, I mean, we-- something needs to change. The worst thing I can do is stand Pat. I'd rather you get crazy and throw anything at the wall. Don't stand Pat. So anyways, guys, thanks for hopping on. Thanks for listening. And send us your questions. Send us a thought. Give us a like. Find us over on X at Collins like it is. Find Sean. Find me. Find Larry. Find my dad. Guys, thanks for listening. We'll catch you on the next one. Excited. Hopefully we can turn this around in Tampa Bay, because goodness gracious. Leave whatever that was in my ami. Go Rams. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [BLANK_AUDIO]