Tom and Vin discuss the win against Rangers, the Jadon Sancho situation, Mason Greenwood departing United and how INEOS have changed everything since arriving.
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(upbeat music) - Welcome back to hated adored, never ignored. Manchester United are back to winning ways. Now we'll be in a friendly. Of course, but nothing is better than watching the Reds Women. I don't have any sort of levels for Rangers as well. So I'm always happy to see Manchester United beat Rangers but got vin back on the pod with us and a lot to discuss because last time women was on the pod, actually last week's podcast, we hung up the call and our Manchester United decided to announce Leni Ora. So we can discuss Leni Ora in a far more greater detail this week because last week I was saying I'd prefer monetize the wit over Leni Ora just in regards to the business side of things. And suddenly, our Leni Ora is unbalanced in Manchester United play. And I think it's an absolutely brilliant bit of business. That is the fickle nature of a Manchester United fan, but we'll discuss that in a little bit more detail. But a little bit and obviously not just the sign in but his own performance had a good 45 minutes for the first team against Rangers yesterday. And there is a lot to discuss in regards to the change in the loss of made, the Mason Greenwood situation has finally come to an end. That saga in part of Manchester United's history has been put to bed. And some of the individuals I do want to touch on after that preseason match because now everyone's sort of putting their hat and a ring for a spot on that USA tour in regards to the unplayers which we will touch on in a little bit of detail very shortly. But before we start, it is that time of the week for this week's trivia. Now, a bit of fact checking surprised me with this one in and around Leni Ora, a new French defender. I thought, well, let's keep the French theme but move higher up the pitch. My question to you, which I hope you don't answer just yet, but to the listeners at home as well. On the theme of the Frenchman, on French players at Manchester know, which we do have a rich history. I think it's second behind the Netherlands from European players, I'm not counting the British Isles, but which French player has scored the most goals for Manchester United? So there are a few players that have spring to mind, but they're quite close between the top two, but yeah, they're an interesting one there. So it surprised me, it definitely did surprise me, but it is what it is. So, Ben, we'll start on the Rangers match now. Look, it's a pre-seize. We're not going to get in a great detail in regards to tactics or the team selection. It is what it is in regards to fitness. There's a stronger team, a much stronger team in the first 45 minutes, and a pretty much youth team in the second 45. Now, a goal in each half, Joe Hugo, with a goal in the second half, and Ahmed opened the scoring for the stronger team in the first half. Again, without going into the specifics of the match, which I thought was actually quite a solid performance, especially considering the lackluster performance in the first pre-seize and match. But just sort of what caught your eye in regards to, we're not to get saying, okay, we're going to win the league or anything off the back of it. But in regards to what you want to see from a pre-seize and match, you're just there for watching the fitness, so you're there to watch a certain individual in regards to return of Jad and Sancho, et cetera, young players like Toby Collier, new sign-in of a Leni Oro, et cetera. Just talk to me about what caught your eye. - Yeah, so I didn't catch the game live. What I did was like I watched the extended highlights of the game and what caught my eye was the calmness, what Leni Oro is already solidifying. I know it's against the Rangers. It's a pre-season game. But the calmness that he exhibited, of course, he had some jittery moments in the first few minutes, but once the game got going, once he got his confidence in, there was a sense of calmness that you don't expect from an 18-year-old player for who's playing his first ever game for his club. So that's one thing that caught my eye. And, of course, that performance of keeping it simple and easy by Toby Collier, of course, we'll be discussing that, I hope. And last but not the least, Amad Diallo. Man, he has put himself up the pecking order for the shortness of right-wingers we have. I mean, shortness in the terms of the performance, what our current squad of players, what they exhibited last season. So I think he's in the pecking order right now on where we can actually look up to him in terms of starting a United game. But, and also, one thing is like, at least it's not a loss or it's not a draw. We did score two nil. And, of course, a goal from a youngster. A goal from an academic graduate is always a good thing to see. And also a clean sheet, especially that's really important, given how much under-home with stress and pressure Andrea Nana was placed in last season with the ever-changing defense, with the calmness of Lenira. I know I keep repeating that because that's one characteristic I felt when I looked at Leni defending, especially with that last man tackle in the first half. I think that kind of forms the solidifying base. And I believe if Lenira becomes the starting centre-back for our club in this season, I do see us keeping a lot more clean sheets than we could, given the fact that Nana will be a bit more, you know, the heat will be off him. He will be more focused on the shots coming next to him, rather that's always calling out the defence to be maintaining their space and position. So that's one thing I'm looking forward to, but only time will tell whether my predictions or my personal objectives for this season is being met. So that's where we are at. What about you? What did you find? - Well, yeah, I think in terms of pre-season, you're always going to look to, has there been a change? Has there been a style of play changes? Is there any instruction changes, someone changed position, et cetera? I thought one thing that did stand out. I actually noticed it during the game, but then I did see when I turned on Twitter after, I was sort of not trending, but a lot of people were talking about it. And we had a, I forget if it was a corner or a free kick in the final third, and we put it in the box and the play break down and Rangers had a counter-attack. And seven or eight men chasing on the plate, sprinted back into our box, and I'm thinking, look, I should not be praising that. That is the bare minimum. But we haven't seen the bare minimum. Now, I don't know, has, look, the same players weren't running for every ten, Hargle, Grafring, Iq, while they suddenly running, are they running because room band destroyers there? I'm not sure, maybe there's a better feel, good vibe around the dressing room in regards to the whole feeling around the club. I'm not sure, but that was just good to see. Now, here I should be, that's a good thing. On another day, I could have a sort of wake up in a bad mood and just complain about last season, why on earth weren't they doing it last season? That's what it is, but I'm going to focus on the positive. That was good to see and a nice change. So, that's something that definitely stood out for me in regards to work rate defensively. I thought, again, albeit in ranges, quite a straightforward game for men united in that aspect in regards to quality. But you mentioned Ahmed and Peckin order, and this will sort of tie into Jaden Sanchez a little bit as well, I want to discuss the situation around him in a little bit. But folks, more on Ahmed, you mentioned Peckin order. Now, we don't know, I have no idea how this front man situation's going to work with Xerxes in Ireland. Pre-season might tell us a little bit in regards to, both of them are going to be on pitches, one a backup is one a starter. Does Xerxes play up front, or does he play a little bit behind or a wide area? So, no idea how that is going to line up. But let's say, just my lazy argument here, let's put them both as a striker, Rasmus oil and Joshua Xerxes are the two strikers. Manchester will line up with the front three, a yield issue, whether it's a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3. There'll be three in the middle and three out front. You would think with no sort of knowledge of how pre-season will go, if pre-season was to start tomorrow, and everyone's fit, so Marcus Rashford is back fit, Xerxes is fit, et cetera. How does that front three look? Now, again, there's no way of knowing this. It just in regards to your feeling, because you look at answering the situation around Tim, okay, not good enough, but he's every 10 hearts man. You look at Marcus Rashford, not good enough last season, but still he's Marcus Rashford. You look at Ganacha, always play the standout performer, but is he over Marcus Rashford on the left? That front three, that front two are made in regards to Xerxes and Boil and how that lines up, and then you obviously have the other man to throw in there now is Jadon Centro. Left right, he wants to be on the left, or he want him on the right, et cetera. The front three. How do you see that shape in up against Fulham on the opening day? Again, with no knowledge about an injury or form, et cetera, but it's hard to balance up in regards to you have so many sort of players fighting for that, and then you think, well, if they're fighting on the left-hand side, are they available on the right-hand side, do they suit the right-hand side, or does their antennae want them on the left? That front three, talk to me what it looks like against Fulham. - I think based on how Xerxes is playing, I believe he or Huyland will be one of the starters. I, unless or until it's, you know, I don't see ourselves going towards the 442 model, but in case if we play three up front, I don't see us using either of the two strikers, that's a starting in the starting 11. But again, they did make some, I did read some articles where it did mention that Xerxes is keen to play on the wings as well. I mean, he's versatile, he can play anywhere. - Well, that's why. - Well, that's why-- - That's why I mean, in regards to what's stuck in that wide area. Like, did we need to sell? Is Jadon's central market structure still up for sale? I just think, now, I think probably the only one at the moment now I look at front managers' point of view. I see, I don't want him to need to be started, but I do see value. In regards to what he does bring from a manager's point of view, in regards to the defensive side of things. But let's say unanimously amongst the fan base, he's the one, okay, out of both sides, okay, Anthony, he's not in any one start in 11. Everyone else, to Rashford, Gunacho, Sancho, and Amad, and then you could throw potential Xerxes in there either side, everyone's making a case for all these players should be started. And I'm just thinking, well, a lot of it, there's going to be a lot of disappointment. - But isn't that what we were always expecting from a club where we are stacked at multiple positions and where we are actually performing in these positions? Like, you know, there are no longer passengers in the team. You play, you perform well, you are given a guaranteed sport. You don't, you're down the line. So something like that. I think that's where cases for Jaden Sancho, Marcus, Rashford, and even Anthony are going to be strict this time with the management, with the upper level management, who are really paying a closer look to how the team is playing. And of course, we have three coaches now, not just one. So we have three different coaches, and of course, all three have their own high standards. So I don't think so any player who doesn't perform well can just throw his weight around and start his team, whether it's Rashford, Sancho, or Anthony. So I believe even if that happens, right? Even if they start, game one, they start, Anthony, Rashford, and Huyland. Three of them didn't perform. We lose or either we drew the game 2-2 or 1-1, or we lose it by like 2-0 or something like that. I don't see them starting the next game at all. I think that time has gone where, I think that's what I feel. That time has gone where you are resting on your laurels or where you are pointing your fingers and your past records. Now the team or the management wants the team to be playing as a unit, whether you defend or whether you attack. So that's where one of your key observations of everyone dragging back is the thing to show that, hey, we are all here for the team. But how long it's going to be consistent? Are they able to do it throughout the entire season is what we should be looking at? And how many of these entitled players are going to throw their toys out of the pram, throw of it, leak news? It's another thing what we will be waiting to look at. And I'm quite sure it will be an interesting season because technically, if you don't perform, you don't deserve a starting 11. That's what we have always grown up either watching or even the things that happens to us in our daily life. In case if you don't deserve it, you don't get it. You work hard for it, you show your skill, you show your capability, and then you are given that particular role. So that's where I personally don't have a problem stacking up. But again, here I am talking about, I'm at the yellow being in the starting 11 or a pecking order in the right winger. And probably he's just starting the game so that they can push him in the shop window and show that hey, here's a guy who has them talent. You never know, right? Like that's what I feel about Sancho as well sometimes. That's what I feel about Rashwood as well. - If you hit that pecking order, who was most likely? No, not who's your preference would be. Who would be most likely sold in regards to the thrower, Jenny Sanchez. It was still a precarious situation, which I want to touch on one or two every 10 hard quads. But he got Marcus Rashwood in regards to his relationship with the fan base, but obviously he's whatever he's trained. So he would be a sticky point. You're Anthony as well in regards to his transfer fee and the fan's perception of him. But if Manchester's not worth a sellable, I'd just sort of make life a little bit easier in regards to team selection there. Who is it? Because I think a lot of us would have a preference. Okay, I'll sell this player, I'll keep that player. Also sort of all the sellable assets there have their own sort of tricky spot to make it quite a tricky deal to get done. - Exactly, so the thing is like, Anthony, we paid him 80 million and I don't see us recoping 80 million and no club is probably even gonna pay 40 million given his baggage issues that's there off the field, which is still not resolved, right? And also his wages, I'm not sure. And also the manager wants him at the club, right? So that's number one option. Number two is Jaden Sancho, 75 million, high wages, lackadaisical attitude is not consistent. Haven't yet deserved his place in the starting 11 or in the squad, like in regards to the hype. He might be a good player, but I haven't seen that consistency. Sorry, Rob. And the third one is, I'm at the yellow, right? 40 million, not a lot of wages. Affordable for some of the clubs out there. And consistent performer in the championship when he played for, or even in the other league, when he played for Sunderland, he played well for Rangers, had a good youth team set up when he was at Atlanta. So, so when I look at all these three things, even though I don't want I'm at the yellow to be sold, I think the likelihood and the possibility of him getting sold is the most. If you look at it in that way. I don't think it'd be sold, but you make a point in regards to if one had to leave. Yeah, maybe it is that made. And again, that's neither of us saying well, we don't know what happened. Yeah, it's an interesting one. But on James Central, and I do want to touch on what we'll touch on linearity, you know, around the end of your business and that transfer business. And I do want to maybe have five or so minutes talking about Toby Colley and one or two other youngsters towards the end, but on James Central, but you and I have sort of made our thoughts clear in regards to situations surrounding him over the past 12 months. And it's just a sad situation for everyone. For James Central, very 10-harve, for men, chest to nine fans for the rest of the dress in the room, for everyone. It was a bad situation. But it's quite here for Mary-10-harve. On James Central, this was post-match. Saying we spoke well, this is in regards to the medium. And now only those two know exactly what was said in that medium, but he said, we spoke well, everyone can make a mistake, we draw a line and we move on. This club needs good players and one thing is certain, Jaden is a very good player. I hope it will click and contribute to our success. I look at that and I think good, okay? Draw a line, move on and that is good. That's good by James Central, that's good by Mary-10. Harve, that is good by whoever sat them down. Was it Jason Wilcox, was it Dan Ashworth, was it Omar Brada, whoever? All in charge, that is very good to see, I'm happy. In reality, Vin, and this is not to sort of throw the toys out of the preem or anything, that should have been done the Monday morning after the Arsenal match 12 months ago or 11 months ago. I'm just thinking it's just so, it's good. Okay, even though it wasn't a great fan of Jaden Central over the previous months, even though I'm going to wipe my hands clean and sort of move on with everyone, but I just look at that and just think, why could not have grown men have just sat down and done that a year ago? And it would have saved everyone a lot of bother. And I just think, we've sort of met a very sad crowd and there's egos involved and there's wagers and there's politics and I'm aware of all that. But just to shame for everyone involved, that that wasn't done straight away. It's taken the best part of 12 months. Exactly, and this happened when we were running short of players in the squad, especially the attacking players, when we needed someone to pull up the game and perform. Again, like we discussed in the last podcast, Jaden Central is getting a clean slate from me or just like the manager, I'm gonna look at him and see how he performs every game and then come to a conclusion. But yeah, this could have been done way back. And it's just a shame and it just needed someone, some other grown men to step in and ensure that the manager and the player are meeting, are shaking hands, are seeing each other eye to eye and then leading this to a resolution. And that's what kind of irks me because you paid the club and us, the fans, paid the players their rages for this particular player, his rages most of the season and yet he hardly donned the shirt. And again, I don't want to pedal back and look at what the comments in the past. But if a player is going to throw a fit saying like, "Hey, I'm gonna play only on the right wing "or on the left wing, sorry." I'm not gonna be playing anywhere else. Then that speaks volumes about the player. You play where the manager wants you to play. You play when he wants you to play. So that's what I look at it. But again, no one is going to get us back those six, seven months of dead and sensual not performing for the club, but all we can expect is now is the time when he literally lives up to his hype, if it's still gonna be the same Jaden Sancho of getting to training late, which I don't really care because what I care about is like how he performs in the game. If we are getting him to perform as much as possible to his ceiling, to his benchmark, then that is more like an apology to the fans. - It's funny, they're the old saying. I actually speak louder than words. You definitely just need him to-- - But I don't feel it's coming. - But that's the same, everyone, I can make, look, I agree, but I can make the same case for Marcus Rashford. I think Marcus Rashford almost owes us just a big as an apology as Jaden Sancho, in my opinion, in regards to whether you wanna call it behavior, antics, attitude, performances, et cetera, last season I thought Marcus Rashford was well below, a clean slate for both, but both have to deliver, and the eyes are on them. But the people who will be watching them as close as the fans are, Ineos. I do wanna touch on Ineos in regards to this, and this is not saying all this well over, and everything is changing, Manchester United, are back on top. Whether you wanna answer this for our business point of view or a football point of view, or just sort of just your perception of us as fans looking from the outside, they're not the complete owners of Manchester United. The glazes still have the keys for the door, but in regards to this football department, they have come in. And we don't know how letter yours is gonna go, we don't know how Xerxes gonna go, we don't know how these outgoing deals or salon clauses and everything are gonna favor Manchester United in the future. But on the outset, looking at everything. My God, they have changed things overnight. Now we can get into a bigger debate in future weeks in regards to looking back at the guitar bid, and so Jim Radcliffe's bid, and the ways out the pros and cons, and what were our feelings, then what their feelings are now. But Ineos have come in and just take your picker of what bit of business has stood out or in regards to giving you the most hope or optimism look into the future, whether it's the dealings of a Joshua Zurgsley or a Leni Ora in regards to cast your mind back to a Paul Pogba sign in regards to that dragged out for six weeks in regards to the dramas there and agent fees, and that's not just Paul Pogba. And 90% of that was nothing to do with him, but in regards to all these sagas we've had in the past, suddenly, Real Madrid and Manchester United keen on Leni Ora. Two days later, it was fixed at Leni Ora's where in a Manchester United shirt, very similar thing with Joshua Zurgsley. But I do also look at the outgoings. The outgoings almost, now yes, I would like a little bit more for every player. I think that's a little bit selfish, but obviously our hands are a little bit tight in regards to the mismanagement from the previous regime, but you do look at the players who have left as well and the efficiency that has happened. They have come in and not changed everything and they've ruffled some feathers and they're gonna have to. You look at the off-field stuff in regards to making all these staff redundant and they're the pros and cons to that and there are gonna be sort of question marks raised at them and rightly so. But what I do look at the business has been done where we care as fans on the pitch. Oh my God, they have changed things overnight. No, just can you put your fingers to what they have done? Or is there something, is there a clear change that you have seen? I've decided for the whole picture, can you sort of isolate it down to one thing or is it just, what I would actually put it down to? They're just doing their job. We've had people in charge and haven't been doing a job for the last 10 years. So maybe they're just doing the very simple things, right? But my God, we're starting to look a little bit like a competent football club. - Yeah, so I was listening to some of the older podcasts from different, from different podcasters when there were moments off in years, could be the owners of Manchester United, be it at select for the 25% stake or anything of that kind. And I dipped into their history and the efficiency. And it looks like wherever in Wales actually starts a new project, whether it's their, you know, the cycling team or whether it's the yacht or whether it's the, it's the niece project. What they actually do is they cut off, they identify the inefficiencies and the inefficiencies in a project. And then they bring in, they make it leaner and meaner. And of course, that comes with unfortunate circumstances, especially for people who had lost their jobs at Manchester United, which is a terrible thing at any point in life or any point of circumstance. But what they have done is like they got rid of the fat and they became mean lean machine and they have hired the right people to do the right job. And we are no longer, and that results in, we are no longer a monitoring club or we are no longer looking at like 2,500 squad. Like we don't see those reports where every Tom Dick and Harry, who is a professional football player in any parts of the world is being linked to the club anymore. And even if there are any moments of, okay, someone is in the short list, the club and the team behind it are getting to, are picking that particular point, triggering the clause or whether it's speaking with the agent or speaking with the club, they are getting it done right away. They are not dragging it. Imagine, like you said, the Pogba signing for three months, the Frankie Deong signing, who didn't even make it up to United for like three to four months for nothing. And I'm quite sure, I'm just mentioning this for humor, but I'm quite sure Dan Ash with Omar Barada and Jason Wilcox, all three of them were working before they even set their food together and Manchester United, of course, but it's, the positive thing is like, yeah, we are looking good in the transfer business, we are doing the deals right, we are cutting down where there needs to be a cut down. And also at the same time, there are talks about uplifting the ground, talks about uplifting the stadium. It is a positive thing for the fans, but everything is worth it only when we perform on the pitch. Like it doesn't matter, like three months down the line, it wouldn't matter if we are lying 10th in the table and we have signed five or six players and we have got rid of three or four heavy or high wage owners. It really wouldn't matter. So they have set the ball rolling, the ball is rolling in the right direction, but whether it will hit all the 10 pins of a bowling alley or not, only time will tell, only the season will tell on how they perform because they have made some really crazy decisions, right? Like who would have thought signing an eight-year-year-old youngster when his mind or when the club he wants to join is real Madrid, right? And who would sign or who are in talks to sign with Manuel Lugate, who has performed really well at Copa, America, and who's coming off PSG, right? And of course hiring Granny Hake and Rud van Milstroy as assistant managers when they are already in a managerial job and putting together a team like Jason Wilcox, who has done a great job, Omar Barada, and of course Dan Ashford, it's a really, really, you know, what they call it as an 18. They have invested a lot. I'm quite sure all of them, like the names I've mentioned are getting a heavy pay packet or anything. The way things are being done is really, really positive, but I really, really hope fingers crossed that we are really achieving the targets. I'm not saying we are going to win the league. I'm not saying we are going to challenge for the league title, but we should damn be finishing in top four. If this much of investment isn't gonna give us any improvement, like for instance, if this much of investment is just gonna get us Europa League for the next season, of course, I'm not considering probable injuries or other unanticipated things right now. It's not gonna be worth it, is it? So, that's one of those things football is sort of, one of those expressions football is played on, sorry, football is played on paper. No, sorry, football is very easy on paper. It's obviously played on grass on a Sunday. And it's a tricky one. What we can do all these things, any of us can do all these things. It comes down to the players on the pitch, the manager on the sideline, the bounce of the ball, a referee's decision, the BAR's lines. And one of those goes in your favor against you. And we're gonna have a different discussion about what's happening off the field. That is the life of a football fan. That's why we sort of love the game while we hate the game. But just one quote, you mentioned sort of a little bit of structure, you mentioned the names of Ashworth, Jason Wolcop's there as well. This is Tim Harg speaking after the match against Rangers. And the new one is taking me more into the process, which is interesting in regards to what the previous owners did. They're not taking him into the process. I'm not sure. But the new one is taking me more into the process, what the consequences are of deals you make, what opportunities it offers when you sell a player. It's still early days, but the signs when it comes to communication and cooperation are very good. That second sentence there, or that second line there of in regards to what the consequences are of deals you make, what opportunities it offers. I find fascinating now, look, where we can discuss all day in regards to what he means by that. But I think that is very good in regards to, if you're going to sign linear Europe, that means this player is going to have to go, or this is going to have to go. If you sell this player, it means we'll be able to buy this player if you want. And I'm just thinking regards to for seeing some type of future in regards to what Jason Wolcop's and what Dan Ashworth want to see on the field. That has been laid out in front of the manager, saying, look, we've got to sign this player, because if you get sacked, but we don't want that to happen, but if you get sacked, this player will suit the next manager while we look to hire. If you sign this player, we don't think this player behind him, we'll suit that style of play. So that is a consequence. We're going to have to look at that in regards to previously, whether it's Ed Woodward's sign in someone, or John Merta's sign in someone. The external factors were, how many shirts he's going to set the cell. It's not about team harmony, or it's not about positions. Okay, you can sort it out. You can play him out of position. I'm just thinking, from a footballing point of view, what we are seeing, what we are hearing. Again, it's quite simple. We shouldn't be praising it. It's just doing a play in football manager correctly, but it hasn't been playing correctly at Manchester 9 or 10 years. And I just think that I am going to enjoy it while it's here. Better last a long time. But I am going to enjoy it because, okay, we'll meet in Rangers 2-0. We're not seeing the fruits just yet, but you can definitely smell them. - Yeah, it's just, you know, probably the benchmark that was set by the previous owners are solo, but we are like really excited for every single thing that a proper football club should do is making us feel happy. But another quick point, like the consequence part, what you mentioned was, I didn't look at it as, okay, if you sign this player, this is what will happen to the next player, or we have to let so-and-so players go. I kind of looked at it as, you know, previously when, let's say, Chen Haag used to provide his inputs, like, okay, hey, I want Anthony, right? And what the Richard Armstrong and John Murtow, what they did was they overpaid for Anthony. And which means they didn't, there was a lack of communication on, like, okay, probably what it should have happened, it's like, okay, Anthony, the max weekend spell is spent is for 40 million. The club is asking me 50 million. Do you want me to go ahead or not? Which means she won't have funds for so-and-so, right? So that's the way I looked at it. I didn't look at, like, you know- - Yeah, I think you're right in regards to, it's everything, I think I alluded to one point in regards to what we see on the pitch for those consequences. Obviously, Aaron regards to cooperating with the PSR and sort of all those financial obligations, you completely right in regards to that. Now, before we sort of wrap up, and I do want to maybe touch on Toby Collier, if we have time before you do leave us in regards to, look, we could do a whole podcast, and I think we will do a whole podcast on the end of the situation and conclusion to the Mason Greenwood saga. That's the biggest, wouldn't say, plus because it's a sad situation where everyone involved, being in regards to the exit so far, we'll solve a few plays at Lily Campbell, they don't even end a break. Albert Finan is obviously confirmed to his exit as well, one or two others, I'm sure of it as well. But to the Mason Greenwood, 30 million to Marseilles, I think that's the accurate figure, around 30 million to Marseilles. Look, again, we'll have a far more sort of in-depth discussion in due course, but just in regards to that whole saga, finally coming on to an end, what I have found not enjoyable, but I can praise INIOS, since they have come in with the Mason Greenwood situation, it hasn't really been a saga, now has drawn out and eyes have been on it, because obviously the nature of the situation and he's a Manchester player selling for big money, it hasn't really been drawn out into a saga, and I like that as well, it's not just the income ends, but the outgoings, especially of the high-profile nature of Mason Greenwood, INIOS had a plan, okay, we want to sell him, he's not going to be part of our future, we're going to maximize our problem, now we should be at 130 million for Mason Greenwood, in all honesty, in regards to the baggage, obviously that price does come down, a great deal, but I'm just happy with that business, that just drawn a line under the sand, Mason Greenwood, your future is away, good luck, we're selling you, and all in all, that's a hell of a lot of money. Now, yes, it should be 130 million, but you can't sort of turn your nose up at 30 million for a young academy product. - Yeah, absolutely, 30 million is really good product, and of course, we got a 50% I guess, the salon clause as well, in case if he gets sold, and if he really performs the way we all expected him to, I'm quite sure a big club will come chasing him, a big club who doesn't care about what happened in the past, so that's all, of course, we'll discuss about it sometime in the future, about the whole situation and whatnot, but the good thing is like, it's not just Dan James now, who is in the top of the list, when it comes to players sold by Manchester United, in the last few seasons, or a bit of a profit, because as he's a youth academy asset, all 30 million is considered as profit, which is really helping us with the whole PSR rules. So-- - It'll be interesting in a couple of weeks, though, maybe we'll discuss when more information comes out, but if Scott will dominate, now I'll get thrown into that category, that'll be interesting when one or two more midfielders come in, and we do potentially have to balance the book, to be interested in any of us dealing with that situation, but speaking of Scott will dominate, let's start to someone a few years younger than him, with Blunt here, central midfield, Toby Collea, just to wrap up the podcast. The comparisons are there with Collea made at Erritain Harg's first season, there was a lot of, so that you remember the link up, final, Collea made it wasn't involved, but there he is on the pitch, saying, "Next year, this is gonna be you." When Collea made it as the star man, next year, at the FA Cup final, after the match, Erritain Harg's on the pitch, talking to Toby Collea, almost said, "Next year, this is gonna be you." So it does look like a little bit of a desire by Erritain Harg for Toby Collea to be the next man, and from what I have seen, I've said one or two games last year in the youth team, and from what I've seen in these two games of pre-season, it's gonna have any youth play to come in, and breaking a Manchester at first, and you need a lot of things to go your way. You need an injury from a first-team player, et cetera. You need the fixtures to allow for you to come in to a suitable game, et cetera. Who knows how it's gonna unfold for Toby Collea? All I'm seeing, though, I see a man chasing out of play. Now, is that enough for him to be able to go to make it? I'm not sure, but I like what I see, and probably what gives us the most hope or optimism is Erritain Harg's vision for Collea Maynew. It looks on the outside that he has that for Toby Collea. Just your thoughts on him in regards to how important is this tool for him? Like, can he potentially stake a claim, and could he force us out? Could he force the departure of Scotland? Could he force the departure of Christian Erickson? Or could he prevent a signing of a £50 million midfielder? Like, just in regards to what do you, with no knowledge of what Erritain Harg is saying behind the scenes, what do you say Erritain Harg's vision? Does he have this almost policy of one youth play coming through every year, was gonna show then what's gonna be made in now this year's Toby Collea? The way you put up or face this question, it does sound like a pattern, but I wouldn't want Scott McTominay to leave the club, especially how influential he has been, but if it's Christian Erickson goes, I would really get Toby Collea into the first team squad and get him to play the game, so giving some minutes that will keep him happy, because Contrastive to that Erickson is someone who wanted, who was unhappy with the way he hasn't played that many games for United, so that's a bit of a contrast, so that might probably play into Ericten Harg's methods, and I personally like the way Toby Collea plays, like, you know, he's, again, keeping things simple, right? He's not trying anything fancy, you know. For me, he's got the ability of making for a young player, he's got the physicality for a young player, a lot of young players come in and have the ability that maybe can't match it, but he looks like a player who has that sort of physicality and that edge to him, so that'll obviously stand him in good stead. Now, for you to wrap up, Vin, is there any sort of talking points, quick ones, we have missed? - Not really, I think we, I hope we haven't signed anyone, by the time we finish our performance. - I'm sure that is obviously a very sort of pre-work, except for whenever we start one of these podcasts. So, if you are listening to this, we probably have Unveiled, Manuel Ogartes, so stay tuned for the next podcast, where we dissect that in a little bit more detail, but do appreciate everyone joining us on this week's forum. I've got big thanks to Vin as well now. Before we do wrap up the trivia question, I said which French player has put the most goals for Manchester United? Vin, give it to me. - Louis Saha. - Not quite, Louis Saha comes in at third with 42 goals. Eric Cantona, in second with 81 goals. Anthony Marcel, the Knightie, Anthony Marcel is Manchester's highest ranked Frenchman. Which is an interesting one. I thought it was Eric Cantona. And I thought so, it might have been a little bit closer, but he isn't to me. So, if you're playing along at home, I hope you got that one. But do truly thank Vin for jumping back on the pod. Do appreciate everyone tuning in. Make sure you leave a like, review, rating, whatever your podcast app does allow, and we'll chat to you next week, cheers. - See ya. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)