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Pub Talk | Ruud van Nistelrooy Returns + Joshua Zirkzee & Matthijs De Ligt Signings?
(upbeat music) - Okay, welcome back to Hated Adored. Never ignored for a bit of an old school or it's a pubcast. We're sitting here at the pub of the Nanchetes tonight at supporters club, a monthly meet and it's scruffy Murphy. So it is good to get off the computer and offline and sort of have a beer and speak to someone in person. So I've got John back on the podcast, he's been on before just a, we'll just put the phone in the middle of the table in terms of what we used to do and just sort of randomly chat about the latest goings on. Firstly though, I do want to thank everyone for their client words and feedback for the episode of the last week on Dennis Law and Roy's input, I thought yeah, he's already asked to come back on and discuss the both of the babes, George, Beth, et cetera. So thank you for all the client words that will pass them on to him. And yeah, he's excited. So a little kid in a toy shop in terms of getting back on which is great to see and I'm glad everyone enjoyed it but I thoroughly enjoyed it as well in regards to some of the stats that was coming out about Dennis Law. I had no idea. One was the, he was the captain in 1968 when we won the European Cup. Now he was on the pitch obviously. So by which help was the captain on the day that's happened many to or not many times but Peter Schmarkle lifting the Champions League, not Roy Keating 99. So I thought that was a fascinating insight. So yeah, it is what it is in regards to that and we'll definitely get him back on but we are here to just discuss the latest going on, not in regard. We will discuss rumours in that which is a Manchester United fan. So they're right but we're going to the nonsense rumours. There is one or two that does look like they have a little little legs behind below them. But what we'll do before we get into all the chucks with John tonight, trivia as always. Now I am very proud of this trivia question. We've got to discuss rude Benestroy in length. By the time you were listening to this, hopefully rude Benestroy has been confirmed by Manchester United but for Rizzero Marno has given the here we go that rude Benestroy is returning to Manchester United as an assistant coach. But on that theme of rude Benestroy, I'll ask John the question, who hopefully doesn't answer now, he'll wait till the end of the podcast and you do the same at home. But rude Benestroy on his Premier League debut scored a double. Now the opposition, a player also scored a double on that match. He later signed for Manchester United. Who is that player? So on rude Benestroy's debut, he scored a double. Benestroy's not a word, the winner's on the day. But on the other team, someone else scored two goals and that player ended up joining Benestroy United later in his career. So if you know who that player is, do let me know. But on the theme of rude Benestroy, John, now as said before or at the time of recording, it hasn't been officially announced by Benestroy United but in regards to reliable journalists for Rizzero Marno has put out there that he has signed the contract. So I was discussing before we clicked record, I was discussing, I'm very happy, you're very happy, I'm sure all men chasing out of fans are very happy. I thought this would have been met negatively and that would have been the wrong reaction in my opinion. I'm glad it's a positive reaction but I'm actually a little bit shocked that it's positive because usually when we give these Darren Fletcher a job or Ollie got a socialier job and former players with you, when I wish him to give him former players, we should be giving it to the best in class, et cetera. Now if you do look at rude Benestroy's sort of track record, he's a very experienced, he's managed, he's been a successful manager. So maybe that is where the opinion and the feeling is a little bit different to what I expected. But ultimately, before we get the ins and outs of it, we've been destroyed back at Manchester United, talk to me. - Yeah, I'm buzzing with Benestroy. Back in his playing days, very critical players, especially for United, his track record proved a lot, 95 league goals and 115 league games for United. That's a very impressive record. Considering we were a title contest when you could argue he should have won more lead titles. - I think that's the one, when you look back at rude Benestroy's career and you've successfully won the FA Cup, he won the FA Cup, he would've won the lead cup, he won the lead cup when Rudy and Aruna was against Wigan. - Fortunately, I think he was on his way out by that. - Yeah, definitely. That was the January, but before he left, I think, Ronaldo was obviously just coming through. - He's still with Pureos, yeah. - But that's the, I look at, okay, he was successfully scored goals, but if you do actually look at the big trophy, he's now a local, we both respect all the trophies, but the Premier League and the Champions League. - Yeah. - He only has one, and now that's one, then they have a lot of other players have, but in terms of you look at how good he was, it would say he underachieved Manchester United, but he probably didn't win as much as many people sort of think. - Yeah, it's, he's one of those players that you think of what if he was in that 2007, 2018, even the trouble team in 1999, like what could it be? - You, it's not even that side as well. Like, when you look in the team from 1999, 2000, 2000, 2000, more long words, it would have been a great contribution factor in terms of that push towards the Champions League, because World War actually pushing forward towards semi-finals towards the final, like, we were in and about, like, after that Champions League win in 1999. That's how good the player of the history was. And also, he didn't even mind his Champions League record with the United, he didn't think of it as well. He's been top score as, like, I think, one to twice. - I think it was one game, it was back in... Now, let's remember the group stages in Manchester United's history. We used to go and just win all six games. And now, under last season, we got knocked out last in the group, so definitely different times. But I remember one Champions League group, and look, Manchester were one of the big dogs, and obviously you got to be seated as the strong team in the group. I think we used to play, like, kind of at the most, every year, Olympic arc loss. I think we had to be at Sparta Prox. And I think Sparta Prox got old traffic. I might have the team role. Might be Slavia, maybe. But, um, Ruben, it's really scored four goals. I think it was a four-nil win. And just, like... They used to be that same. And I think we said the same thing about Dennis Law. It was when Dennis Law scored 46 goals. I think, Ruben, it's true. And that scene's scored 44. And it was the old saying that, sort of, Ruben, it's true. Gold comes with a ticket at old traffic. And also, one of those ones now, like, we're watching, not to criticise any current players, but, okay, I'll hope Rasmus Swirlan scores today. And that maybe if he has a good game, he might grab a goal. If Rashid turns up, maybe he'll get a goal, that would be good to see. With Ruben's history, how many's got a score to that? Yeah, exactly. And... If he doesn't score a goal, you know he's going to be pissed off, because he's got a new story. That's his mentality. His ultimate style of player compared to the modern player. It's like an old-school, classic number nine striker, like, where his sole focus is right. Give me the ball. I want to put it in the back of the head. Simple as that. He doesn't get about the fancy dandy to try and take independence. He's already interested in getting the goal. Simple as that. Well, though, is that, I remember, I think I might have been in. So, it's probably everyone that's touched on it, if you knew him at the time. Been in regards to losing out on the final day, the Golden Boot race to Thierry Henry. And Manchester had won the match. I don't think they won the league. I think that's sort of what motivated him to go on. Been in regards to, I think Manchester had won, I think he even scored, but Thierry Henry scored more goals on the final day, et cetera. And that feeling at the end of the game was, I don't care that we won, but it wasn't the Golden Boot win. And that's somewhat, we can look at it. If we don't like the player, that's quite a selfish sort of approach. And if we like the player, we think that's sort of a great mentality to have. It's a fine balance. But before we move on to the modern time, if we're going to show him what he's going to offer as a coach, as an assistant coach, Harry Tenharg. Just in regards to, as I said, he's my favourite ever striker at Manchester. And I know that there's been better players that win really Chris Downer in Alder, Paul Scholzer, all these better players. But for a number nine, the best striker I've seen at Old Trafford is Rud van Nistroi. What is he ranking in sort of, in all this? Now that there are names and there's no right or wrong answer. It's got a right or wrong answer, for sure. Old school res water he told me to, he can compete with. Oh, look, I'm sorry. No, no, we're telling Dennis that he told me to. I'm just saying that you're talking about pure golf scoring. He's probably top two, top three, for sure. Probably arguably. Definitely, I can't get my stats right. He's probably top five, 10th of all goals per game, in terms of United. Like, the fact that he only scored one goal outside of the box, I mean-- He's still trying to think what game that was. I was shouting at fans. He's cheating. Was it interim like an open goal? Was it like, I was right on the D, sort of thing, right? Yeah, it was on the D. That was the only goal outside. I always look at it because I've watched all the highlights. You watch all these goals, the YouTube compilation. OK, which one was outside? I have a feeling the one-- yeah, it was like technically outside the box, it was like a step outside and sort of thing. Slightly outside. But yeah, that's where he was a striker. And I think that you liked it. Andy Cole, Eric Canton, you can show him their win finish. As I said, in the last podcast with Roy, in regards to Wayne Rooney, he's made chase notes all the time leading goal scorer. Now, if you put that saying out there, what a goal scorer that guy is, if you look at Wayne Rooney's game, half the time he spent on the left, half the time he spent in Central Medfield, half the time he was assisting other players, he should not be Manchester United's greatest ever goal scorer. Because we've had strikers like Dennis or Libritt, Van Nistroy, et cetera. So it is weird. And in saying that, the man before Wayne Rooney, who was top goals scorer, was obviously Subobi Charten, who played Central Medfield. He shouldn't be Manchester United's top goals scorer. So it's weird how he had all these brilliant strikers and two players, such as Subobi Charten and Wayne Rooney. Rooney is more of a secondary striker. The thing to note was, Rooney in his prime was considered a lethal striker. So if you think around 2009 to 2012, or even 2013, he was dead clinical and whenever you four of Rooney go outside the box, you think of like, well, wasting his potential because-- Well, that's why I think if you do look at his goals and I've said the top goals scorer in our history, what would be, like, let's say, I wouldn't say sacrifice like five or six seasons. But let's say that it's five or six seasons where Ronaldo was there for three of them. Rob Van Percy was there for one, or potentially two of them as well. What would have happened, what numbers would Wayne Rooney have put up if he was just Manchester United's number nine for the title 12 years that he was there? I'm not supposed to forget how long he was there. It actually would have been over there, wouldn't it? Yeah. When do you arrive, 2004? 2004. So that's him. Yeah, so around 12, 13 years. He would have, I don't know, 100 more goals? Probably around 100 more. Like, he could probably get an extra 15 per season. Yeah. Yeah, because the best goal is goals scoring season was 34 in 2009, 2000 and then in 2011, 2012. You know, so it is-- Both of yous that we didn't win the league. Yeah, you're doing it. The thing was, Rooney was injured in 2019, 2010 towards the end of the season. And he had a drought during the middle of 2011, 2012. And it's still a nice carry-on. The thing is, Rooney was the key player that drag goes near that late title. We could have won seven in the world. Despite all of our challenges, you know, we didn't even go about the outgoing. We didn't have, like, you know, the adequate recruit, which can be discussed in one day. Well, look, we can discuss this all day, but it's not a Plymouth Avo podcast in Wayne Rooney. No, we haven't. We do want to discuss in a chase, you know? But it's current coaching staff. And that is, as I said, really bad news for you. Now, as I said, someone's only got a social number, and it's sadly your Darren Fletcher, which people still raise in one or two concerns. A lot of people-- and, again, well, we've had many discussions in regards to the difference between someone arguing on Twitter or someone you discuss in the matter, at the public, et cetera. Even though it might be the same person, they went beyond a keyboard, a different opinion, or a more aggressive opinion might be there. But usually, in the last couple of years now, it hasn't been good for Manchester, you know? So that has set the tone. And, you know, it haven't been good enough. So a questionable opinion or a negative opinion is valid, a lot of the time. But when we hire a former player, it's why we bring a former player, and we need to move past that. We need to stop going back to the past. We need to look to the future and get the best person for the job. Now, Manchester, I haven't finally enough return to training today. We haven't seen the photos of you yet, if two certain wide players are coming in. In regards to Mason Reederwood and Jaden Sanchez, I'm sure by the time everyone listens to this, we did have an answer to that. But Manchester's not a return in the training. Now, we don't see what happens at training. Maybe we'll have a better idea what happened with Eric Tanharg and Jaden Sanchez. We will never know what sessions the Ruited Venestroys put it on. We won't know what his proper relationship with the players is, what his dynamic with Eric Tanhargys. We won't know the job Ruited Venestroys does. We will just see the results. If we're winning games, we'll think Ruited Venestroys is a great coach. If we're losing games, even if he's doing the exact same sessions, and he's absolutely brilliant, we will have the opinion that he's not a good coach. And it's his fault, it's sort of we're not performing. Paul, seeing with Benny McCarthy with Marcus Rastro last year. Well, the perfect example, we all loved him, what a great job he's done with Marcus Rastroys. Now, Marcus Rastroys has a bad season. Same coach, it's the same player. And we think, what's he doing? Well, we need to replace the striking coach. So, it's a perfect sort of comparison of the perfect lookback at that time with Benny McCarthy, who I do believe he's leaving the club from memory. So, just your general feelings, as I said, we're not watching the training sessions, but Rastroys obviously done well at PSV in a different role as a manager. Now, I wouldn't say a coach is an easier job, but it's a different job, a bit of a lighter workload. They're a different job. Now, some parts will be far more tougher than the manager's job, but overall, you'd look at it on paper. It's an easier job, so he should do technically better. But he'll obviously be at the hand-dog area 10 hard and the players and how they perform and what results they get. We do this in regards to Rastroys as a coach, with our lack of knowledge of what he does behind the scenes. Just your thoughts on it. - Look, every single individual is at risk right now. As long as it's been probably researched by not just any of us, but also 10 hard, where Benny saw it fits in the team, it's fine by me. Based on, you know, the pedigree of that history, I've been a clinical striker, where we've been through in score goals recently. In some ways, makes sense, given that, you know, getting the goals is a priority for United to climb the ladder in the new future. - Do you think we, look, I agree. So I'm not disagreeing here, but I'm from the question back to you, playing devil's advocate. A little bit lazy in that, in regards to, every player has a position and they move in the management, they have to manage all the positions. So if a goalkeeper turns in or manager, he needs to coach the left wingers, he needs to coach the strikers. If a defender becomes a manager, he's gonna talk to the strikers, he's gonna talk to the goalkeepers, et cetera. We say we're advantage, we come in as a manager, or as a coach and say, okay, he'll be brilliant for the strikers. We don't know behind the scenes in it. Now, I don't know what this answer is, but we don't know he might actually be a better defensive coach. Now, let's say that's very unlikely, in regards to his knowledge of the final third. They'll always, I wouldn't say wrong, but we lazy as fans to say, okay, he's a great striker. Our strikers are gonna get better. Maybe, I remember watching one of those master classes, he did where they do on YouTube, where he sort of moves around the tactical board, and 90% of what he was doing was defensive shape. Now, that's not to say he's just a defensive manager, but in terms of our, it just, I would say, our initial reaction to the news of rude vendors was that, okay, Rashid's gonna score goals. Rashid's gonna score goals, and it's gonna score goals. Are we right? Or is it just, you know, we just jumped him and done it a little bit lazy? - It's not black and white. It's more of, right, we got a clear idea of what we're gonna do in the final third now with Vanness and Roy. I see there's a possibility that we're gonna have a pox and a pox type of player now, considering we're Vanness and Roy. Wait, my drill in Hoyland's say, okay, I want you to focus more inside the pox, be that clinical pox and a pox player. Just being more interested in terms of getting the goals. You don't always have to be involved in the play. Yeah, that's the thing. Many strikers in this day and age focus being too involved in the game. Sometimes you don't even need to be in the game. Like, all you just like, when you think about certain match winners of strikers, they can be invisible for a 97 to match, and then when they get that one touch, and they hit inside the box, and it goes inside the goal. That's the only thing that the media players in fans will talk about. You describe a new Vanistro here in regards to, instead of wasn't in the game, then you'll walk off field with two goals and a man in that reward, without having like three touches of the game, the ball or game. Now, before we move on to another Dutch striker, who looks like he's gonna walk through the door and provide that competition for Rasmus Hoyland, has written Vanistroi had a say in this, Erritain Harvesman throw this Dutch connection with, as said, it's no-girl criticism at the moment, but it has came in last year. Erritain Harves just signed a player from Erritivizio, he just signed he Dutch players, et cetera. So, actually, I don't know if there's any link here besides the Dutch link, I think. Xerxes may be, was it Bayern Munich? But I think he was at Bayern Munich after Erritain Harves, in terms of that Bayern Munich second team. So I don't think there's a proper connection there besides their nationality. But in regards to, before we move on to Xerxes, we'll discuss any awesome their plans and their structure and look at Erritain Harves, he has signed that new contract, or a new contract or a trigger to an extension, however you wanna interpret that. So there is confidence there, and there is a sort of public showing. Is there a case though, in regards, and I think this is a good thing, maybe a little, and I don't wanna sack Erritain Harves, that's definitely not the case, but in regards to looking to the future, and as, well, or as happy as I am with him, his job's precarious at the moment. If he starts bad, he's under a lot of pressure, and rightly so. Bring it in, I forget his name, so apologies for the dispronunciation potential, but Rennie Hack, Rennie Hack, if the other coaches come in, and I think he was also a manager somewhere, Rennie Strzoy has come in as a coach, a manager elsewhere. Is there potentially, in regards to two Dutch managers, let's assume they have the same sort of view on football as Erritain Harves. Bring in these two people in, who are managers, now slash coaches. Any of us potentially, I wouldn't say, bringing them in just to replace Erritain Harves, but is there somewhat of a succession plan? Okay, if they come in and do well, that's fantastic. They come in and Erritain Harves needs to be moved on. They have potentially a manager, they have seen something who they can just sort of put forward into the role. So do you think there is, I wouldn't say, sinister hiring of these people, in regards to thinking, well, Erritain, are you still on dodgy ground? If you do leave, well, we have two managers who can sort of step in, who share your views. I wouldn't rate you more to the recent, you know, acquisition of, like, Hack and also, you know, the pending use of Minister Rennie, it's small, you know, establishing that identity for United, and also how United is going to be playing in the near future, and also the health and heart, and support, if it works out, fantastic, if not, it is what it is. The thing is, a lot of people just read too much on it. It's not about, like, replacing Erritain, or who's going to be groomed in. It's tough. - I just, in the other reason, I'll raise the question in regards to, and again, who knows, whether that's any of us thinking, or whether it's not there thinking, but in regards to, you look under the glazer, or under Edward Wood's stewardship, look at the changing managers we had. We went from David Moyes to Louis Van Hal, to Jose Mourinho, to Olegana Solskjaer, to Ralph Rangi, all these different types of managers where, let's say, there is a situation where we do say character. Now, I hope that's not the case, but let's say that is what's needed at some stage. It's not a case where we go and get a garrison update. It is a case where, I'm not saying go get another Dutch manager in rude venestroy, but, yeah, rude venestroy, maybe someone who shares that view, that's where any of us, I don't know what the view is. Is it a Dutch model? Is it a Spanish model? Is the English model? I don't care what the model is, but it needs to be a consistent one. So that is where, it just raised my eyebrows in regards to these two appointments. - It's all about, you know, which model it is. Like, United's model is, yeah, right, similar as Edward. We don't copy any of the corporate. We are supposed to be the pioneers. Let's set our own tempo. We actually read Dan Ashford's statement recently. He said, "The reason change of our managers "is not the best issue. "We may have to look into, like, deeper structural changes." So in other words, he's saying that we're gonna have a long-term thinking with the same manager and see how that pans out. So basically, we just wanna see how the new regime will work. Because, as you know, freebie is raging. Well, they're still around their door. We're hard-proofing managers in bad health. Marina is friendly specialists. What do we want? - Oh, no, look, it's an interesting, and this is not to say Erritan Hargate and the new sort of direction will work, but fingers crossed, it does work. Bit in regards to, well, we know what doesn't work. So chopping and changing hasn't been working. So it might as well try and ride this, yeah. I mean, if it works fantastic, if it doesn't, well, try something. But at the moment, it is, in my opinion, I wouldn't even say a risk, but let's define it as risk. It is worth a risk keeping Erritan Harg for another season, potentially two seasons, no matter how it goes. So we just need to see what happens. And that's a bit frustrating as a fair work, how are we? We like to think we're sort of the most important people in the club, which, deep down, we are. But it's cool, but in regards to winning football matches, we don't have much of a say. The stain on the Dutch theme, and then, oh my God, everything we'll discuss today is Netherlands. What's the name? I'm not sure how much we've got to spend. It does look around about 40 million pounds or euros. I'm not sure what the current conversion rate is, but Joshua Xerci from Bologna, who is also in the, God, I can now say him not getting one out of the euros on Thursday and 40, I think he made his first appearance in the euros the other day for Netherlands. But Joshua Xerci does look like, as I said, by the time you're listening to this, maybe something has been a little bit more concrete, but it does look like he is on the verge of becoming Manchester United's, I'm saying the number nine, potential number nine, Anthony Marshall's leaving. And from the only YouTube scouting I have done, Anthony Marshall vibes in regards to the way he plays, in my opinion, in terms of good strike, in terms of the way he dribbles, moves with the ball well, sort of likes to drift into wide areas, but definitely looks like a striker. He's a big boy. My only other thing is only 23 years old, potentially maybe 24. So look, I haven't seen him play. I hadn't heard of him six weeks ago. As I said, I've done my two or three minutes old YouTube scouting and every player does look fantastic on YouTube. He does look a player, but AC Milan obviously had an interest and AC Milan picking a player up in this area that obviously got to pick up a player who's done well. So he's obviously highly sought after. What do you think when we get linked to a player like this and almost on the verge of signing a player like this, as I said, six weeks ago, I didn't know who he was. If he signs in six minutes, I want to follow him up with the guy and say he's the future of Manchester lab. So he loved him. It's like one matter. I used to hate or not. I would say hate one matter, but I didn't like one matter. So what is this little way? Chelsea sort of running rings around man United fourth. I don't like him. When he landed on the, or when he landed in a helicopter at Carrington, I was like, I love it first sight. I fell in love straight away. And that's, I think every man chessing, I'm a fan. So I'm going to love Joshua Zurgsey when he walks through the door. Didn't know him a couple of weeks ago, but what's your feeling when we do sign a player for big money, now not 100 million, but 40 million pound is going to be a lot of money for a young player. When we sign a play like this, who quite frankly now, I'm actually watching this area, maybe you can tell me a different story, but quite frankly, we don't know. And I'm just thinking, is that exciting? Is it fun, is it frustrating? Is it like, it's a weird emotion to... - 40 million years inflated. It's half the footballing landscape. Everything's grossly inflated. Thing is, I actually like those type of signings where, you know, whether it's a physically unknown conversation. - When you go back to, you know... - 70 million on La Carque, or so I don't know how much he causes around. And which is La Carque? - La Carque was like 75. - Okay, so a lot of money. And look, actually, we fed La Carque on the first. So he actually quite well now, I wasn't a fan of him, but he actually did okay for Manchester United. I think, yeah, I know what you mean in regards to who's the 70 million pound strike from the Premier League, now he would go and get, I don't know, who's that player? - 17 million. - Who would you sign for a Premier League strike now for 70 million, I don't know, I wouldn't, I have an Tony play V a little bit less than that. - Probably less than that, he's not. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's say he's actually, he would definitely go for more than that, but let's say a player of his quality, a good player, well known. I'm not saying he's that would fail at all traffic, but it's kind of the recipe for failure at all traffic in regards to bringing that title of player in. That's not so Xerxes going to be an instant success, but there is a part where evidence would tend to point to these players potentially having a brighter future at Manchester rather than De Maria, look after those players at that. - It's for like an investment because he's 23, so he's still an open-coming player to be honest. Like when you mentioned about the likes of the captured De Maria, they were like, you know about their prime, so yeah, that's why they have to do it. - Do you think there is a bit of a need though, as a striker, now look, we don't know where he's going to line up, though where he's going to take the number nine shirt, his rig for an history, he's going to change Rasmus Eulens' game, and he's going to change Xerxes' game. - Yeah, that's your question. - But in regards to, no matter how you plan out, maybe you could look at Liverpool over the last sort of five years when they had that Firmino Mane Salah, their number nine wasn't really the goal-getter, but in regards to most teams, you do look at best teams and their number nine early in Harland, et cetera, wouldn't formulate titles. Every team has that stripe who scores the goals. Is there, do you need that as a fan in regards to, do you want your number nine score on 30 goals, or are you happy, no, we're happy to depend on how the result goes? Doesn't matter if you have goal-getters scores, if we win one-nil with a right-back score and a goal, we're very happy. But you, when you're sort of drawing up your season, what a season looks like, do you need your striker scoring 30 goals, or are you happy with it being shared or sort of across the front three? 'Cause I think a part of Manchester United is having a striker who's going to grab those goals. - Yeah, it is mostly about the identity of how your trio now, like, attackers will play. So, depending how rational goals you could consider, yeah, letting him share the goals with them, even when they're all even boiling. Or, the alternative is, you build your attack around the number nine, and then your wingers will fight down the mission. It just depends on how it's and how it wants to-- - If that number nine, no, it's hard. Like, we'll just discuss, okay, we're both happy, too. We'll sign a lesser known player for a little bit less money, rather than the player in their prime for a lot of money who we know about. But if you need a player who, let's say we agree, okay, we need a number nine, who's going to be set up forward, we're in Venice, right, his score's 30 goals. Can you do that now? Obviously, anything can happen. We don't know how the future's going to fall, but can you do that with a unknown signing, or do you need to go on sign early now, and do you need to go on sign, not root Venice, Troy, but root Venice, right? Does that player need to be that big signing, or can you get it from a unknown? - Sometimes you realize that you can get the hidden gems, it doesn't have to be the big names. Like, that's the problem where-- - That has a strike where ever come in to the premiere, now that maybe there is maybe someone shouting through their phone up in regards to a big, sorry, not a big player coming, and look, obviously, no, they're done well. Like, you get rattle off the names in regards to make sure it's once there, and all these names around being regards to the top end of the table, come in and be, like, you look at Owen Harlan did it, Sergio, where I did it, Robin Van Percie did it. Like, has anyone at the top end come into a big club, and you can argue, Muhammad Salah, potentially that's not really the number that he came in and performed very well for Liverpool? I can't think of it, he was his big money signing, maybe not world class at the time, after his time at Chelsea. But, can an unknown, is there any other name off the top he had there today's proved me wrong, in terms of that lesson in coming in and, sort of, leading the team to a Premier League title? Not a sale note, but not put in a deserves, he should be leading us to a title. - If I didn't know the answer, I would be a scout, so I'll leave it to them. - You know, I'm just trying to think in regards to the big ones who came in and won Premier League titles, that were O'Harlan, Robin Van Percie, - Mm-hmm, drop off. - Drop off, et cetera. Drop actually might have been what, now he was well known, not a well thought of it in France, et cetera. - I was in Belgium for my sake, yeah. - Maybe, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't put Xerxie in the same category, he was dropped by far from that, but maybe the status was in the game, is maybe in and around that, potentially that's a good shot. Yeah, and that's not the criticised Xerxie, that's not to say he's going to be bad, it's not to say he's going to lead us to a title, it's just got every football debate we have, every single debate we have is hypothetical. What if, well, what if we played that left wing or instead of that left wing, would we have won the game? If that substitution happened, in this minute would, that would change the game, every football discussion we have is hypothetical. We only know the answers. Come, may, better. Before I wrap up, I've said we've discussed red venestroi, Joshua Xerxie. Okay, my God, we need to move to the Netherlands to finish this podcast. Let's go and delete. Now that is met with a little bit of, again, I think the negative defined as negativity or how you want is somewhat valid with this one. I think every sign in, but especially when you are able to spend a lot of money, is valid in regards to questions and concerns, and we do have a, especially how we've been burned before, especially from clubs like Brian Munich, et cetera, a right to sort of question and sort of raise an eyebrow and sort of be a little bit dubious. I actually like it. Now I understand why all two people have said he's injury prone, who are Cassandra Martinez? Is he injury prone now? Do you want to get rid of him? Because the monetized elite played more than was Sandra Martinez last year. Now that's not to discredit any potential injury concerns or questions around delete, maybe he's going to break down. But I just think the reaction to this one, I said, I think we're right to question and we're right to be concerned. I just think it's just a little bit, we're not losing games at the moment, so we don't really have anything to complain about. I just think as us as a fan base on why we need something to complain about, and I think... I think we can view too much into social media than yeah, it's too over reactionary. If you speak more in person or at the ground, it's more level-headed. Like, which is that move, what day we can talk about, like, the reputation of fans and perception, which is... I think I said look, look, I completely agree about it. So I think the question's around delete, because it hasn't hit the ground running since leaving. I've seen obviously many events have been buying Munich. But from what I've seen, I still like it as a player. I think, you know, to what quality he's been playing, a Juventus or buying Munich, I would need a fan from those two clubs to tell me. Just on the visual, when I see him, and again, I've seen the champions, they can hand full of times of season, and I have seen my new team. Regardless of how he plays, when I see him just a visual, he's presence on the pitch and the way he plays the game. Now, this is not to say he's going to lead us to a champion. They've got a Premier League title, but I see a Manchester player. I just say, yeah, he could be a centre back for me in United. Now, see how he performs in a couple of months' time. If he's a Manchester player, my opinion, my change. But just physically I see, yeah, he could play for me in United. Where I see a, and this is harsh, I read my mind, when I say big to Lindelof, and big to Lindelof, I think, considering this sort of situation around Manchester. I've seen him since he's been here. I think he's done well enough for Manchester. But I think he's done well. I think overall, though, and you could say this about half a squad or 75% of the squad since he's been a Manchester player. I just haven't been there in United players. And that's not throw Lindelof under the bus. It stays next year as a squad player. I think he can do a job. Definitely not, but just that visual. And it might be a lazy opinion as a visual, but perception of his reality. And when I see Dilit, I just say, yep, he might succeed in United. Where as other signs have come in, I said, I'm not sure about this, but with Dilit, it does give me confidence. I feel he has more around him. Like, have you seen, like, footage of him around when he was 17, 18 years old, being that chapter, and also, you know. That is part of it in regards to, yes, when you've got to need him to perform. But with that great players that Manchester United, with the front of them off, Alexis Sanchez, Dean Maria, et cetera, brilliant players, world-class players on their day. That doesn't mean you've got to succeed at me. You need something else, and I'm not saying Dilit has that something else. But from what we've seen, it might be there somewhere. He might have it. It's the mentality. It's not just about your technical aspect as well. I'm impressed by his leadership for his as well, considering his age. Like, he's been taking a low leadership responsibility since he was 18 years old. Like, I think he was the youngest captain for Ajax in the Champions League, for a while. Not sure, like, if he's still the youngest. Fact is, he's able to, you know, rally around the defence, and also marshal the team around to get them going. So, in that sense, he could be, you know, what Roy King was for for you, like, the mouthguard for 10-0. It's a thing which, again, as sometimes met with some sort of raised eyebrows, but in regards to the relationship with Eric Tenharg, some would say, "Well, we design and Dutch Ajax players." But some of the managers need that. I think we'd never complain, "Why did you bring what Sandra Martinez in?" We're happy with it. Now, the counter to that, he exempts me, et cetera. So, I think every point can be met with the counter, but I have no wish with the lead sign, and now he comes in and does it before. We're going to say, "Why do we bring him in?" But that is the case for any player and any sign in. But, yeah, I do think the reaction to his... Well, I'm giving you a food for thought. There's one thing to take into account. But in really fans, actually, raised a petition about keeping the lead, because they're not happy for the possibility of him going to United. That tells you all, and Munich fans are quite knowledgeable as well. I think fine Munich is part of the conversational part of skepticism around Manchester United fans in regards to Schwine Steiger, or we look around during Kazmira, or Ferrari. We're bringing to these players, we all like, we all want the thing. Don't forget, we got our unique stuff, why are we unique? Our brains are all in, yeah, OK, there's... Well, though, he was a model of success. Yeah, that's a podcast for another day in terms of his career at Manchester. United in regards to his actually brilliant and fantastic and such a contributor. But then you look how it ended, you think, "Well, hang on, "was it that great?" and so on, and so... That's a podcast for another day, and that'll be an interesting one. But it's a good sign in from Manchester, not from Bayern Munich. Being in regards to when these players come in from Madrid or Munich, we all then sit here and say, "How bad Manchester United are run?" And look at round driven Bayernians and say, "How will they run?" And say, "Well, they knew that something about this play, "which we didn't, why would they get rid of him?" So I think when we're now linked with a deleted thing, we'll hang on, why Bayern Munich get rid of him. Now, I look at Bayern Munich and they're obviously being very successful. I think they're reputation or reputation, but the view of their club in regards to his absolutely brilliant club, I think it's a little bit overestimated. I think they're a little bit of a shame because of a club. They're just lucky to be in Germany, where there's no other hood sorts of clubs. I feel like there are cracks appearing here by Munich right now, especially in company here. I feel like... Oh, God, I forgot. He was the manager. I feel like someone at first will start questioning about it. And also given the fact that they just lost the Bundesliga to Liverpool, is it? I completely forgot that Vincent Company was their manager. There might be doubt about whether they are capable of reclaiming their title and also to be the front runners in to Champions League. Well, it is interesting. As said at the South of the podcast, we're at the back of the pub, which I definitely truly have enjoyed. We're going to hit downstairs now for the maybe not a supporter stop monthly meeting. But as said by the time you hear this, a lot of this stuff might be confirmed in regards to Xerxes, the River Bendy Street, et cetera. So apologies if anything is out of date, but it has been enjoyable. So they're sitting at the pub, and they're a bit of a pub ambiance. They do a George Street noise from all the trams and cars. Hopefully that wasn't too noisy on your own listening at home. But thoroughly enjoyable. Now, before we do wrap up, this week's trivia question was at the start of the episode in regards to River Bendy Street scoring two goals on his Premier League debut. Actually, before I get into the trivia question, one of these ones always look at which is a fascinating one for me. River Bendy Street's first actual goals for Manchester United in a pre-season game came in Ryan Gins' testimonial. Now, when I look at that, I think, oh, look, it's bad now because it's 10 years since Ryan Ginsley type, I look back at the time and think, Ryan Gins finished in, what, 2014 or something? Yeah, 2014. He was having his testimonial back in 2001. Yeah. You know, in the second testimonial, but that is a discussion for another day. But as said in regards to this podcast or this trivia question, River Bendy Street scored a double on his Premier League debut. Now, an opposition player also scored a Premier League double, who later joined Manchester United. John, do you know who it is? What's the Louis Saab on Fulham? The Louis Saab on Fulham. David Beckham opened the scoring with a free kick from memory against another future Manchester United player in Edward Van Dessar. Rude Van Dessar scored a double. I think it was actually a bit of a quick fly double at the start of the second half. But yeah, Louis Saab on Fulham's first game in the English Premier League also scored a double and so they really, he's won a play that didn't leave Fulham to a title. We'll discuss in early first on to the scene. Louis Saab definitely did that and that season at Fulham coming in to Premier League, definitely owed him that move to Manchester United. And look, we're talking about great stripers in Rude Van Dessar. Dennis Law, et cetera. You look back at Saab's time. Now he's one who was played by injury and you could definitely have an injury prone discussion around Saab. But when he played, if you go back and look at the way he played, the big game, Sprelick Spokes, and trusted him in over the lives of Wayne Rooney, and turns out, "Okay, Rooney, you've got to be on the left today. Ronaldo, you've got to be on the right." I'm playing Louis Saab and he played over Tevez quite a bit as well. I'm going fifth. Do you remember he took the ball here against Chelsea in 2010, 2008? I think was that Tevez's first game or Tevez's first goal? I think so. I think my main Tevez's first goal, and not the first game, I think his first game, was when Ronaldo got sent off her headbutt at Portsmouth. I think that was Carlos Tevez's debut. But yeah, I do remember he's on penalty in duty, he's called out great goal. We have a bit weaker in the Champions League. And he'll look here, that's another podcast, another day in regards to Louis Saab. I've been fortunate enough to meet him when he's out here playing for Everton. And yeah, a brilliant striker, unfortunately played a little bit by injury, but hopefully everyone did enjoy that. I'm thoroughly, enjoyable recording here, back at the pub. We'll be back next week, hopefully discussing some confirmation, probably a bit of a pre-season preview. We'll know who's back in regards. As I said, as Jaden said, Chuck Mason Green would lay a current in order. They're training by themselves, Donnie Danderbae looks to be leaving, but we'll have a look at all the fixtures, the travel, yeah, later on the transfers. Rumours as well, so you are holding your phone as you are listening to me. If you could just click review or rating or whatever it does allow your podcast out, give us a five-star or say something nice, they'll be very much appreciated. Just takes 20 seconds out of your day, makes the world a difference to this podcast getting out there. But enjoy your week, enjoy your weekend and Jon, thanks for coming. Cheers all, nice one. 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