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We know you have one, so that's definitely like your life is so common chill. There's definitely a bitch. It doesn't even need to be a huge life-changing thing. No. We love a, we love a, am I the bitch for not picking up my friend's Nintendo Switch at the airport. I mean, we love it. We love it. We love the low stakes, who's the bitch? And you'll find out, we love a super high stakes, who's the bitch as well. We're all over the place. We're all over the place. There's bitches everywhere, guys. Every, every situation. But what we were talking about just now before we got on Mike was the bitch, the bitch universe, I would say, of the Real Housewives. Oh, my God. And specifically, the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Now, we've said this before, but I'm a bravo, long-time bravo head. Yes. Long time. Like, I've been in the housewives for over a decade. Jackie's newer to my, you know, my world here. I'm a newborn baby. And she's, luckily, I told you get into Salt Lake first, right? So I had already watched the first season of Salt Lake City. And I watched it when it first came out, and I was like, "Oh, this is definitely one of the housewives I think that I could really learn to." And then I fell off it because I'm more of like the Netflix hulu. Like, I live in that world of reality television. Like, I live in this dream of a world of reality television, so I don't go into the bravo world. You live the dating shows, right? Correct. I like all the fuck ones. And one of the TLC, what about the human trafficking? Okay. And we love that. We love that. We love that. Well, specifically, and I will say just to defend myself, I mostly like the 90 day fiance, the other way where you have to watch dumb fuck Americans go to other countries because they never do any research. And they're like, "Oh, my God. I don't have any rights here. Is that you not realize what Jordan is?" But, you know, that's more of my favorite because they're so fucking dumb. I don't want to see just people being exploited. I like watching Americans being exploited. It's like a reverse borat. Exactly. Exactly. And they're just... And if you had just googled it for a moment, you could learn so much more. But anyway, yes. I was saying, who's not the bitch? Are the editors and producers of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City because... They're killing it. They've been killing it since season one, and they honestly... They're in the fifth season right now. They have not had a week season yet, which is amazing. So good. It's so, so good. I can't believe how obsessed... Because honestly, at first, I'm going to say this, I thought there was like all of the housewives are all... And I'm not just saying this season because I tried to watch New Jersey too. Oh, wow. It's so different. It's so very, very different. But I also feel like I couldn't get to like them because I hated them all so much, and the tone of their voices were so annoying to me. And that's coming from someone who... Oh, don't worry. Many people have told me my voice is annoying before. Well, you're a woman. So obviously you've been told that. Of course I've been told that. And I have a deeper voice. God help us. Disgusting. Disgusting. But these women have created such a balm for my brain. During this our state of emergency. Yeah. That like, I need them. I have to have them. And if I don't get at least a little bit, like, I need to hear their voices. We didn't have it over Christmas. And I was like, "Why would you skip episodes over Christmas?" Like, we need this. That's when we need them. Like, I need... And now, like, the other day Jared was just like, "Okay, well, we're home and you want to watch a movie?" And I go, "Is it okay if I just watch a little bit of my bullshit and then we can watch a movie?" Like, I just need my mommy needs her meds, you know? Just a little bit. It really does. Like, it satisfies a weird craving in your brain. And you know what's crazy is it's all casting. Because it's like you said, you watch Jersey, it's new up for you. It's casting. It's location. You don't have to like all of them. I'm just saying, salt like specifically, these people are like a really great combo of wackos that are all together. And like, for example, they just rebooted New York. It's one of my favorites forever because I lived in New York. Like, I have an attachment, you know? Oh, yeah. Like, I lived in New York. I like to see where they go. I like them. It was also back. Like, the thing I love about housewives is that it's women of a certain age. It's not young, like... Right. And now, you know, now they've moved it. So now like, there's housewives that are like 30 and I'm like, "That's not really interesting to me. I want them like in their 50s." Yes. I want them jaded and upset. Yeah. And like, so the new New York is like not working. It's like, they're not a real group of friends. They're all kind of too produced. They all know what's going on. Salt Lake is like, it's really like just, they just give hard every. And it's like... If you were to just play it for anybody too. It's like, you have like, you want to talk about annoying voices? I mean, emeritus, like... It's kind of like it takes sleeping pills. Maybe if I'm like, in an international fight, isn't it? Like, she literally barely touches her tongue to her mouth. She can barely open her mouth. Yeah. And then Lisa Barlow's like, "Oh my God, I love that." Like, she's so annoying and Whitney's annoying. They're all annoying, but like, I love them on this TV show together. I do think it is-- I don't want to hang out with any of them in real life. Yeah, but you say that for like, I can't. Which ones? I think Lisa. Oh, Jackie. [laughter] Well, that concludes the final episode of Who's the Bitch. Thank you guys so much for listening. This 17 episode, podcast run, has been an absolute joy. I've loved talking to all of you. She's so evil. You would go to a bar and enjoy your time with Lisa Barlow. I wanted to drink her tequila. I wanted to eat it. I wanted to eat it. And you're not going to drink Vida Tequila. I'm sorry. This is not happening, not on my fucking watch. Heather Gay, sure. Like, Heather Gay's another one, though, who like kind of got like a little bit too big for her britches because of her. I don't want to talk like this. Whitney. Whitney. Whitney's got a baby, and she talks about healing her healing journey. And then I saw how, I'm not to say how old her children are as if her children are so old, but I just was very surprised at how old her children were when they were celebrating like her kid's 13th birthday. Yeah. She's got a 13-year-old? Yeah. Yeah. Right. But you also forget the Mormons. Yes, they do. But she also came from an affair. Yes. She was like, so that's what I love about it is it's all a bunch of like... Sorry. Oh, I just need. Kara, you're the only person I can talk to about this. You're all I've got. Anybody that's coming over from like who's from that's messed up too, listening to who's the bitch is probably like, oh fuck, she's going to talk about Bravo here too because I really do love talking about it. But yeah. Anyway, when people are asking me, when people used to ask me where should I dive into the housewives, I used to say New York, go into old New York, go into like season two, three of New York. Okay. That's when they start going on wild trips and shit and it's really good. Now I'm kind of like you want starter. You want to get like younger people into it. I'm like, go, go, S-L-C-S-L-C and now it's like, it's dovetailing perfectly to me for me with mom talk. Mom talk. And the secret lives of Mormon wives. It's going to survive this. I don't know if they're going to survive this, but literally like I am, I am sick, like I am on a, I'm on a TikTok or Instagram trying to figure out of Jen Affleck is still married to Zach. Like I'm like looking for her wedding ring on videos. You see Dakota just got hair plugs. Yeah. He showed a picture of himself and he just like, look at this and he just had a big old bloody head because he got a bunch of hair plugs put in. Oh my God. That's when you first guys, you know, I, I, you go right for the hair plugs first, get a little bit of that taste of money. Jesus. Oh, it used to be teeth. Now it's hair plugs. Now it's hair plugs. People aren't getting those checklets anymore. They're getting them. Anyway, I'm sorry. I just needed to bring this up and thank you so much for letting me pontific hate just for a moment about them because now I'm kind of feeling like they live inside of my brain because I'm not talking to anyone about them. And then I'm like, is this real? Are they real? Especially because I watched them throughout, like not having any power. So I was just kind of, you know, I go watching them in like kind of high stress situations and just binging it, taking on so much of it at one time. Need it. It's crazy. Oh my God. You're also getting to the end of this very explosive season and I just, I'm excited for your journey. You're a healing journey. Oh, I'm going to text. You're going to be so held by the time. Yes. Oh my God. When you get to the end of the season text me, I'm on my phone below. I can't wait. Can't wait. No. What else? I guess people's phones are blowing up about other things that aren't as fun, but they are a big part of an important conversation that I feel like we should have here at who's the bitch are plastic surgeons, bitches. Now I'm not saying that all of them are bitches, although I did watch all of Nip Talk. Did you ever get into that show? Oh baby. Oh baby. Right. When I tell you that I watched every single episode of Nip Talk from the front to the back to the end where it, when it was the final seasons of that show, it's the worst show I've ever seen in my life. It really gives the show. The beginning couple of seasons, it is so excellent. You were like, this is prestige television. This is like nothing I've ever watched. This is so fucking good. By the end where, remember there's an agent in Hollywood who has a bear machine and is stuffing people like bears to kill them? Oh my God. Like it literally becomes like an episode of passions at the end. It becomes so over the top crazy, like what's going on? Drop in passions. Oh my God. You know what I mean though? But Nip Talk was obsessed with Nip Talk. And I feel like I haven't trusted a plastic surgeon since and I think it is only because of Nip Talk, but then you read stories like this and I think maybe it's not just because of Nip Talk. Tell the people. And that is Brooke Shields. So Brooke Shields has a memoir coming out, so she's hitting all the interview circuits right now. But part of what she exposed in her memoir is that when she went in to get a labia rejuvenation, she went in and essentially they asked her if like her labia was bothering her and she's like, actually it has bothered me so I wouldn't mind and it's technically cosmetic even though she had a lot of problems with it, which is absolutely ridiculous. So she went in to get have that taken care of and while the plastic surgeon was in there, they decided to give her a little bit of a tightening up a just make a, I believe it's called a vaginal rejuvenation. So she was going in for a labia plastic. I'm sorry. Yes. She was going in for a labia plastic and then she ends it up walking out with a bonus unasked for vaginal rejuvenation. Correct. I wrote this in my notes as Brooke Shields vaginal hijacking. And that is exactly what happened because could you imagine someone that already feels like, I guess that they get to play God all the time getting in there and just assuming that a person would want this without asking them first. Yeah. And like the plastic surgeon apparently was like, I did this for free. Baby I gave this to you for free. Oh my God. As if it was a good positive thing. What if something had gone wrong? Yes. Did you ever like be like, Oh, by the way, I gave you wider teeth while you were under. Like, I don't know. It's like that doesn't, that's not, that's just not it. When you're under, like you do, let's just do what we signed on the dotted line. Yes. You know, high five casino is the top choice for social casino gaming. That's free to play with chances to win and redeem for real cash prizes, free spin rewards, and tons of exclusive games, you can experience more high five moments than ever before. 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I refer to it is that that's like an old term for when you get an episiotomy, which is when they have to sew you back up, that they put in an extra stitch, which has always been called the daddy stitch to make you like tater, fear husband. I mean, this goes back to like why we started this fucking podcast, like we were starting this because we were like, well, why is every, am I the asshole entry, like my wife just gave birth two weeks ago and she won't fuck me. What's going on? Like, yes, just the way that then just feel like vaginas are just there for their pleasure. Like is so insane. And this all goes into the daddy stitch, this vaginal rejuvenation without asking like, it's because it's, you're literally doing it for a man, really, like no woman is, I mean, sure, you can have incontinence issues and stuff or whatever, but I don't think that was what was happening. I think you do that. Good for you. Yeah. But I literally heard that vaginal rejuvenation is more painful than childbirth. And also is it, I've heard lots of stories about like having to then go in and like stretch it back. Yeah. And do a new exercises to get rid of it to make it more usable. In other ways. Listen, I'll be like a thousand percent honest. I did not tear during my births of my nine pound children. Wow. I don't know how I did not. I don't know how I did not, but I did not. So I don't have this experience, but I do have the experience of like everything is different down there. Yeah. Everything feels different. Like, of course. Like everything feels different. Everything feels different. So, but like that's, yeah, you're not, that's like your choice and like you can, I don't know, it just grosses me out because it just feels like it's just like commodifying women's like genitals to be like, Oh, this is, I got to make the, I got to do a solid to them for the man in your life. Right. Because we're already told that our bodies aren't ours from the day we're fucking born and then everything we put on our bodies, like, well, think about how the men are going to say about that. Yeah. You know, it's just, it's, it's so none of its hours. Yeah. So then I can't even have my vagina either. You're, you're like, you're already like taking its rights away, but then you're going to actually do something to it without my consent. Yeah. I mean, I'm surprised she didn't like sue or something. That's really fun. She was apparently so embarrassed. Yeah. Yes. And that she like because like she's essentially, it was like pitched to her as if like you want this. Yeah. So I want this. So of course she's going to be all fucked up about it because you're already going through a surgery that is vulnerable and why didn't you just ask her before? Why not? Right. It's not like you got down there for the first time on surgery day. Yeah. Like if you were down there for the consult, why weren't you like, oh, we could also tighten up in here if that's something you'd like something you would like to do. Meanwhile, I would never in a million years, it's, people say it's so fucking painful vaginal rejuvenation. It's so fucking people. And I'm like, I don't need it. I feel fine. Yeah. I don't want that. I don't. Just leave it alone. Guess what? It's working. Mine's been finishing every time. Pretty quickly. It's fine. Yeah. He's fine. He's fine. And not going to even matters. But I just, I obviously, you know, we know who the bitch is in this situation. I just needed to yell about it because I was so upset for Brooke. Yeah. Fuck that. And then anytime I think about the idea of a daddy's ditch, it makes me want to. It feels very like 1950s. Like I didn't even think we were like still doing that. But like, yes. There are women that ask for that too. They're like, oh, my husband like really wants it to be tight afterwards. Certainly. Like, oh my God. Oh my God. Stop it. And again, if you want that, good for you, you know, yeah, you do a bit, but like it's just, but if you don't, it's completely. Yeah. Yeah. But that fucking plastic surgeon is the bitch. But should we get to some of our solicited advice today, solicited advice, excuse me. We've got a bunch of emails today, which is fun. Jackie, why don't you read this first one? I got you, baby. Down here. You've got a bitch. Hello, lovely ladies. Thank you for the hours of entertainment, levity and tipsy wisdom in these dark days. I wonder if you could help me give me some perspective on this situation that has been bothering me for some time now. Am I the bitch for outing my co-worker? At my old job, I was frequently paired to work with this girl and we got along just fine from the beginning. She was very stoic and no bullshit, but very diligent about only doing precisely the expected standard. No more, no less, and taking breaks. I have a tendency to do too much, so I liked having someone who pulls their own weight, but also gave me permission to be gentler with myself. And I like a straight shooter. Anyways, my boss asks how I'm getting along with her and he's surprised when I tell him it's all good. Apparently, he and pretty much everyone else have issues with her and her, quote, attitude. Over the following weeks, I initiated conversations with her about the work culture and kind of compared our job to the one I used to work at so I could sort of indirectly tell her what the social expectations are. She had told me that she has aspergers and made me promise not to tell anyone. Meanwhile, I'd become the go-to-go between for this girl and everyone else. Anytime anyone felt slighted by her, they would come to me for an explanation and I'd have to say, "You just need to be really clear with her." Or, "I'm sorry she's not all warm and fuzzy, but she's a good person. You just gotta meet her where she is." If she were a man, blank, basically always answering, "What's her problem?" Finally, a few months later, after I'd given my two weeks, my boss pulls me aside and says there's been another issue with this co-worker being rude and non-communicative and he's being pressured to let her go. I break and tell him she has aspergers, but she asked me not to tell because of the stigma it carries and how people may treat her differently. I pleaded with him to let her keep her job and not disclose what I told him. He seemed really relieved and enlightened by the information and agreed to be discreet, and that's the last I heard. I know she kept her job for another six months after that before finally being let go. She doesn't respond when I reach out. I've always really struggled with whether this was the right thing to do. My intentions were good, but I betrayed her trust for a job she wasn't even staying at anyway. Am I the bitch? Well, listen, first of all, I was asking about this before. Asperger's, I believe, now is just rolled up into just being on the spectrum, so we'll just talk about it like that. We said Asperger's Hill because this is what the person wrote in, but your intentions were good, but you did betray her trust, and we don't know that she wasn't staying at the job. She left the job after six months, but we don't really know why. We think she got let go, whatever. I do think that you were the bitch for saying something. Yeah. I don't think you should have said something because that's honestly a medical diagnosis that someone's asking you to keep secret, but I get exactly where you're coming from. Completely. I'm almost like I would have done the same thing. I probably would have done the same thing. I guess if I had it all to do over again, I would have gone to her and said, "Hey, listen, I know you think that this is stigmatizing, but I actually think that this could help at work for them to just, for the manager at least, to know. We don't need to express this to everybody at the company, but just for the manager to know that you have like, you know, that you're neurodiverse, like you communicate differently and you learn differently, and yeah, and I think hopefully you would have been able to convince her, but if not, then it's like, you know, I hope that she gets to a place where she feels like comfortable telling her employers about being neurodiverse because I think that that's people have got to get more on board with that. I think that's really what I'm taking from this, I more feel bad for your coworker and not even just because of like you talking to your boss, but I feel bad that she was at a place and hopefully she's moved past that place if she wants to, to be able to communicate, because that's also a part of communicating what your needs are and where you can meet people, especially in a workplace. I'm not saying you have to disclose, you know, what you, what you're diagnosed with. You never should have to, but I would find that like, at least I'm saying as someone that sometimes can be difficult to communicate with just because my brain's all over the place. I oftentimes, and especially in new relationships of any kind, usually talk about like, if I don't text you back, never take it personally. If I do this. I was going to ask you about that. Sometimes you don't text me back for a long time. Yeah. And you never take it personally. It does spiral about it. No, and you don't need to spiral about it because my problem is I look at a text, I respond in my brain and I put my phone down and then it goes away because I have a huge deal. Yeah, me too. And I just immediately forget. And then I'll see that like a text later and then I'm like, Oh God, I didn't even respond to the last one. Well, if I should just have like a button on my phone that that just spells out the words automatically, Oh God, I thought I responded to this, but I do that all the time. But we digress like discussing why to communicate my like, not say communication failures, but something like the things that I struggle with. And I try to be more open about them so that you know, never take it personally. You know, it's like it's communicating that in a relationship is difficult to do because it's also vulnerable. And you also have to know those things about yourself and have done a lot of research into your own brain. But also a person with Asperger's might be like, no, my hard line is that I don't tell people I have this and that's fine. And but I think it would have been like the move would have been to go to her and say like, listen, I'm leaving, I want you to stay here. If that's what you want, I'm just getting some feedback on like people. The other thing too is like, is she getting the fucking job done? Does everybody have to be a sweetie, nice baby? It's like what you said. It's what the what the emailer said in their email. If she were a guy, would anybody care if she were if the car was Steve, would it be a big deal that Steve is blunt and just asked for what he wants and gets the job done and then goes home and doesn't fuck around and talk to anybody or go to happy hour? No one would care. No. But because it's like a woman, it expected to be like nicer and cutesy and whatever. But whatever, if that's another digression, I would I yeah, I would have just gone to her and been like, I think you should tell your bot like go talk to the boss about like what your needs are in terms of communication, you know, and I and you don't need to disclose the diagnosis to do that. Yeah. It is just about more open communication, which I imagine she struggles with if she's on the spectrum. Right. And so if that is completely understandable, but it is so insane to me that like because so many different neurodiverdances show differently in people that are born a woman, that like that it is not accepted, then you are immediately labeled, Oh, you're not a team player. I think also because so many women are seen as people pleasers, that's like, Oh, you're just a bitch. Yeah. You're a very well-intentioned bitch here. Like you're very well-intentioned. Like I said, my intentions would have been the exact same like I'm a fixer. I'm like a helper. I would have done the same. I would have done like put another put another like sort of diagnosis or condition or something and like what if somebody was like, I'm pregnant, but don't tell anyone at work. And then everyone was like, she's kind of acting really tired and being slow. And you were like, Oh, she's pregnant. You know, like you wouldn't that wouldn't be your place to say that she's pregnant either. Even though it's like, you're trying to defend her. You're trying to help her. That's like, that's not your place. You know, so like I would have I would have figured another way around it. And honestly, it sounds like you saved her her job for another six months, but I bet the reason she's not reaching out is because maybe she's annoyed that you did that. And that's too bad. I don't know. Maybe maybe you've reached out to apologize and like explained yourself and she's, you know, and doesn't want to be right. Right. Maybe like you are my coworker for my job. I don't have any longer and now I do not need to be in touch with you, you know, like, but also that would totally eat me up knowing if it was because of this. So I completely understand why you wrote in because that would also eat, but I don't think you should like lose any more sleep over it. It's like she's gone from the job. She decided not to disclose her stuff even with you disclosing part of it. It didn't help like her at this job. And I hope that that friend finds a job where her skill set works and where everybody's accepting of her neurodivergence because it doesn't sound like it was this job that you were at. You know what I dare say? I think you're an absolved bit. Yes. I absolve you. I absolve you. Oh, thank you for coming to the church of who's the bit. You don't even have to say any Hail Mary's. I'm not asking you for. Yeah. Yeah. I said Hail Mary's. Yeah, that's right. Hail Jackies. You gotta do a bunch of Hail Jackies. Hail Kara. Hail Jackie. Full of coffee. Hello. Be thy name. I don't even know the rest. I'm not a Christian. You don't know. You don't know what we do. I know it from movies. Literally. Bless. Wait, Hail Mary. Full of grace. Hell be thy name. Lord. Thy kingdom come. They will be done. Am I on the right? Okay. No, it's different one. Lord is with you. You can be with me when also with you. Whoa. Look at you. I'll just give it to you. Get this bitch in a shirt. Just giving you the classics. I've picked up a wedding. I love this. All right. This is hilarious because our next call we are going to... You guys can call always, of course, at Who's the Bitch. It has our phone number to call and leave us voicemails. You can send us emails at who's the B-L-P-N at gmail.com. You can also send us DMs at Who's the Bitch L-P-N on Instagram. This caller figured out a way to do it totally differently. She emailed us a voice note. She's like as a millennial for some reason that leaving a voice note mail seems terrifying. Here's a voice note from our next caller. It's my first question when I ask you. Love this podcast. Let me preface this by saying I understand that in this situation, I am probably the bitch. I am hoping I can get a little validation, at least, from Jackie. So... So maybe bitch. Oh, for me? Okay. I am a little AMC A-list girly. Yes, bitch. And I go to the movies all the time. That's 24.99. You never spent at least once a week. I go to the movies with people. I go to the movies alone. 24.99. And I feel like increasingly people's behavior at the movies just baffles me. Like I do not understand why people make the decisions they make. Okay. I'm going to give you a couple examples of this. First one. My record is on New Year's Eve. It blows. It's the worst birthday. I know Holden says that his birthday is the worst, but... No, New Year's Eve trumps it. No. Everything's closed or expensive or super crowded. So I can never do anything on my birthday. I hate it. The only thing I want to do on my birthday is here, let's go. C-nose for A-2. Jackie. Do you understand? Yeah. I'm so excited. Like show up. The theater is like pretty full, so there's not really, you can't move if you're like next to someone who sucks. And boy, do I sit next to someone that sucks. She like, it was a scroll up. She very obviously did not want to be there. She was on her phone every two minutes she was checking her phone to see if she had a notification, which in a dark movie theater is jarring. She also like wouldn't sit still. I mean, like fidgeting the whole fucking movie, like moving her puffer jacket and adjusting her chair and like sitting up and sitting back, and this is going to sound super petty, but every time she took a sip of her icy, she would like win it back into the cup holder. And like nothing takes you further away from like getting immersed in Nicole being a screen queen than like the reminder that the person next to you is drinking a fucking icy. Okay, so like a couple more examples and these examples, it's always dudes, like it's always some like do bro who has like no self awareness, but like just this week we went to go see a movie. It's not a very popular movie. It was like a five p.m. showing on a weekday. It's like there were two other parties in this theater. So we get there and we sit down and another party gets there and they sit in literally the back row and then this dude walks in and sits one seat buffer away from me and my partner. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, it baffles me and then like trailer starts to run and this woman comes in and sits directly next to him. My partner, I thought the one seat buffer was wild and like in reality there was no seat buffer. And I know what you're thinking. It's like maybe you're sitting in the middle of the theater and you picked the best seat. So of course, people want us to next to you. We don't. Like on the aisle because I value my like personal space a little bit. So we try to like pick seats that distance ourselves from people. So why and why are you looking at the seat map when you're buying your tickets and you see two seats are taken and you're like, Oh, no, where I want to sit and you pick those two seats. It's wild. And then like, here's another example, I went to a scene magazine, which is literally a movie about a girl who gets stalked and I was the only one in the theater. I went alone and some dude bro shows up and sits two seats away from me. Like, bro, I have a little self-awareness. What the fuck are you actually doing? So I like pretend to go to the bathroom and set a couple of rows back. So I can keep my eyes on that shifty motherfucker anyways, this is like way too long. I'm sorry, you guys. It's like, I actually have like real life problems, but this is what I'm going to do. You guys. I understand. And I, the bitch, I asked, knowing the answer. Dude. Wow. I just want you to know you're valid. I hope you feel seeing. I hear you. I see you. Yes. Because as a stubs, as a fellow stuff, we're holding space for the stuff, holding space for stuffs. I am always holding space for stuff, but let me ask you this really quickly before you fully jump in. Do you, because I have found obviously that flight behavior, behavior on flights has gotten out of fucking like people fucking clipping toenails on flights and doing all this crazy shit. Have you noticed in the move? I go to the movies quite a bit, but you go much more than me. Have you noticed that behavior has gotten more out of pocket? I mean, I don't really notice people looking at their phones a lot when I go to the movies. I think it is more, it's definitely way more in the like close proximity, because as someone that really enjoyed doing the, I think the only thing I enjoyed during the quarantine was how little, like how much space you had to have around you, especially in a movie theater, because they like didn't allow as many tickets to be sold for every show. And I loved that because then you had to have distance from each other. And it's one of my favorite part about being an AMC stubs member is that I can see where everyone's sitting so that I can get a seat far away from everybody, so I completely get that because that always drives me crazy when it's a whole open space and then people get close to you and then, and I also feel like that, I don't know if it's just because the theater has gotten so expensive, if you're not an AMC stubs member, that people feel that they have more of a right to act, however they want to act. But I do wonder if it has to do with quarantine and people not being around people as much and how much it damaged ever. And generally, and generally, like that now you can see Wicked on Amazon, like a month later or whatever, or some of these movies just come out on. So now it's like, well, yeah, you're used to just being on your couch, watching a major motion picture rather than the group experience. Yeah, I mean, I think it broke everybody for sure. Yes, and it makes me like this voicemail reminds me of this story. We made a lot of fun of over on page seven, where there was this dude that there was a picture, a viral picture got taken of this man that had fallen asleep at Love Lies Bleeding, which is a really hot movie. His hand was down his pants. And he had multiple little bottles of empty fireball. I believe if I remember correctly, there were some sort of white substance that he may have been doing like lines or something. Oh my God. It was like, it was horrific. He like jerked himself off to sleep. And like, it's that kind of thing where it's like, bro, you're not sitting on your couch. And I do feel that there is a lot more of that at the movie theater in the same way you are right, Cara, that there's a lot more of that on planes. And I don't think you were being the bitch in this scenario. I feel that we should have, and I'm not the kind of person that's like, we should be dressing up when we go on flights. Why is everyone bangs? So what? Pons like I'm not one of those people, but like, because I don't have been by themselves for a long time. They've been by themselves or with their loved one and they don't understand the communal experience any longer, no, like they just, and also I think everyone's attention spans have like gone to shit like, you know, I host a stand up comedy show and I feel like it's so hard to get laughs out of people because they're so used to just TikTok, which are like bite-sized. You don't even have to pay attention for that long and when you're on your couch, you don't have to laugh because you're not giving the person any, you're giving the person maybe a fave, but you're not giving them the interaction of, I say something funny, you laugh. That is our quid pro quo that we just hear at a stand up comedy show people, there's generations of people that are just completely like, lost that like, yes. And so yeah, it's like, nobody, we, I don't know, I don't know how we fix this and it's not because in my brain, it's not calling people out. I know that. I know that's not the answer. I'm not an insane person. But like there, there's just something about where it's like, or is it that I'm just finally getting older that I'm just, because I'm not, but I'm not, no, it's not, because it's not the young people that I'm upset about. I'm not like, oh, the youth and they're kind of like, no, it's the older people. Here's the other thing. Like, I was just, I just forced my young children to go see Wicked with me, of course. I went for a second time and I got them with me. And they were like, Oscar glued, he loved it. But there was a bunch of people behind us, older people, I think they may have even been from like an assisted living home that were like on an excursion. Yeah. They were just talking full voice in the back of the theater. And I was just like, look, it was not an AMC, it was a discount theater. But it was like, I was just like, do I say be quiet? They're much older than me. They know that movie theaters are for quiet, like they know that. So I'm not going to, like, so I just didn't say anything because I was like, these are my elders. Like, I'm not going to reprimand them for, they eventually, I honestly think they left a quarter of the way into the movie. They were gone. That's so it's because like, and then people are like, when talking about like the Wicked and no singing in the theaters, when everyone's like, yes, no singing in theaters and people where I got a lot of judgment because I was like, I was singing in the theater, but let's be real here. I wasn't standing up being like, yeah, I wasn't like, no, I was like lightly singing to myself in my scene. Like, I wasn't being a nightmare person. There's ways in which you like, yeah, you don't have to sit there silent the entire time. Enjoy yourself. But like, if you're making that much of a hubbub, but I'm so not the person to be like, excuse me, can you quiet down? Like, I'm just not that guy. But do you have friends? Are you that guy? And I can't be that guy and I can also not be that guy. Like, I think I when I went to see Baby Girl with you, I think we were telling you guys about how when we had to go see the Hunger Games, we were in the front row. We were next to all these scenes that would not shut the fuck up. And this was years ago, the first Hunger Games movie. And I just went after like, after like a bunch of times of them just like, screaming and laughing with each other. I was like, you guys have to be quiet. Like, stop. I'm watching this movie. And they stopped. You know, but like, I've been at, I've been at things where my friend has like, screamed at people. And I just think there's like a moderate way to go after everybody, you know, like to talk to anybody, like, even if someone's being extremely rude, I am more of a kill him with kindness. Like, Hey, is it? Would you mind like putting, you know, but it's like, yeah, I don't know. I don't want to have to tell you how to behave. I know. I'm not your parent. It's like, affect from your enjoyment to a certain point. Like, I was like, but yeah, honestly, if someone's annoying me to that extent, and I'm not enjoying the movie, I will just leave. I'll just leave. You'll just leave. I'd rather leave than ask them to stop. Like, that's how much of a people please, right? I will never give up and I'll never give up a fucking dime for a person that's ruining my time. I'm like, if I paid for this, I am getting this, why I'm trying to be 25% more of a bitch in 2025. I'm trying to learn from you, Kara. All right, I need to bitch it up. Like, well, well, do you think it's like, it's like, how a couple of weeks ago we took that, we did that DM about the people with the vape at the football game or whatever, and how she just went straight to, she went straight to security or whatever to employees. Like, I don't know. Sometimes I'm like, I'm like, yeah, like, let them deal with it. Like, I'll let like a per, I'll be like, can you go in? Like, there's people in here that are doing X, Y, Z or whatever. I don't, I can't remember even the last time I did that. But most of the time I handle it myself, but I also, you also have to like feel out situations. You don't want to go to a psychopath and be like, there's that, you don't want to go up to love lies, bleeding jerk off Joe and be like, sir, wake up, get out of here. But I also don't want to have to go out to the 16 year old that's working at the podcast and make them do it. I know, I know, I know, I know. It's just we're in a very broken damaged world post pandemic and like post internet and everything where everybody is just like, does not know how to be around other people. So the person that called in, you are not crazy. The behaviors are getting worse. Yeah. And people do not know how to live. Yes. Yeah. High five casino is the top choice for social casino gaming that's free to play with chances to win and redeem for real cash prizes, free spend rewards and tons of exclusive games. You can experience more high five moments than ever before. You're going to want to high five everyone, the neighbors, the mailman, all your coworkers, of course your friends. Well, you get the point, your high five moment awaits at high five casino.com. No purchase necessary, void, we're prohibited by law must be 21 years or older terms and conditions apply. Hey, Sirius XM podcast listeners, you can now unlock seven day early access, exclusive bonus content and add free listening to new episodes on some of your favorite podcasts. Subscribe to Sirius XM podcasts plus on Apple podcasts or by visiting Sirius XM.com/podcast plus today. So I don't know, I guess if it was me with the people being near me, I would just like move. Yes. Like, yeah, whatever, but like, yeah, that's annoying. But the girl that was like on her phone and shaking the whole time. So, yeah, I guess fucking ADD and like is like not paying attention, but it's like, get out of here, girl. Well, I mean, and I will get out of your phone on during those four or two. It needs to be dark. Yes. I was a little bit of a bitch. I was a little bit of a bitch in the situation and I'm never the bitch in taking out your phone during a movie. That's never me, but I will say I was watching the brutalists last week and it is four hours long. Oh my God. There were fires cropping up in our neighborhood. Oh, yeah. And so then my foot, because my phone was crazy blowing up. So I like pulled it out and then I, of course, but also the brutalists was really slow. And so I was just like, looking at all the fires, and we chuffed it. We have to evacuate. Yeah. Yeah. That's very different. I just very different. I checked my phone in a movie, maybe once just to make sure the babysitter is not like, hi, your kids are like fucking, you know, the monkeys have taken over the asylum or whatever. Yeah. But anyway, thank you for writing it. I love these sort of like low stakes, but it's low stakes, but it's also saying something bigger about society at large. What the fuck is happening with everybody? Everybody just learn how to be around other people. Okay. Here's another email. This one is, this one is good. This is, this is a little long, but you guys can stay with me on this. Got you. My parents are in their early 60s, incredibly conservative Christian in a tax bracket. I will never hope to see. And altogether, quote, unquote, weirded out by the LGBTQIA plus community. I just say you've already painted a wonderful picture. I got it. Yes. Yeah. Got it. Noted. I was diagnosed with breast cancer nearly three years ago at the age of 31. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. So sorry. That's incredibly young. Having found the tumor myself, promptly had a double mastectomy with no reconstruction and have been blessedly cancer-free ever since. Congratulations. We're so happy to hear that. I refuse the tamoxifen that would have halved my chances of reoccurrence in hopes of having a baby. It took two years, but my husband and I are expecting a little girl. Oh, my God. Congratulations. Oh, my God. I love this for you. My mother also had a double mastectomy with reconstruction 10 years ago. She had multiple benign tumors removed prior. Our family history is riddled with breast cancer. So she decided to get rid of them all together instead of waiting around for cancer to potentially develop. So OK, so your mother didn't actually have she had benign tumors and then a bad family history. So she had a preventative double mastectomy got it. I love my scars. It's the method by which I chose to not die from cancer. Identifying is more non-binary than anything. It was also surprisingly liberating once the mortality of it all faded. My mother, on the other hand, has never voiced anything but discomfort with her reconstruction from sensation to appearance. My parents were very supportive at the time of my diagnosis and surgery. My mother helped me shower for the first time post op when I couldn't lift my arms to wash my hair. It was only the second time I've ever seen my dad cry when he visited me in the hospital. And then there's a parenthetical that says this is why I couldn't call in already ugly crying. Oh, my gosh. Thank you for trusting us with this story. And then I tried to enjoy the lake. My parents built a beautiful lake house, the town over as their permanent residence. The first summer post op, I had to cover my scars because they were so new and I was shielding them from the elements. The next summer, it was hot. It's a private residence on a small lake. My parents home, safe space, right? Silly me. I had my shirt off because it's sweltering. It's a sweltering August day and I met my mom and dad's house with my partner and I have no tits. I repeat no tits. This is in caps. Not a damn thing in sight, but some gnarly scars. My mother balked a little when when she noticed actually asking me why I wasn't wearing a shirt. I simply replied it's hot out and I thought that was the end of it. Long after we left, I got a text from my mother indicating that in the future, I am not to be topless at their home. It makes her uncomfortable. I'm taking it back confused hurt. My mother referred to it as quote accommodating you and your preferences as best I can end quote, but this pushed her beyond her comfort zone. Now I'm just angry. I stop talking to her for a month or so because I know anything I say will not be nice. She eventually notes the radio silence texting to verify that I do not want any contact with her. Why would I want to talk to someone who was ashamed of how I chose to not die? She retorts that her asking me to wear a top does not denote shame. And in fact, it's because of my dad that she asked me to cover up. She has the audacity to compare our situation saying that because she doesn't have nipples, she could technically go topless but doesn't out of sensitivity to her husband who experienced angst during her ordeal and even more during mine. Now he doesn't need a visual reminder of what I went through and his discomfort would then make her uncomfortable. Wow. Now I'm seething. This is the still the caller, but I'm also seething and the caller the writer. And a small part of me is wondering if they don't want their friends to see me and think I might be trans given their distaste for anyone identifying as such. I didn't talk to them for over a year. Wow. Then I got pregnant and my husband convinced me to bridge the gap and give them an opportunity to be part of their first grandchild's life. But another summer is looming and I am at a loss as to how to conduct myself with all this. There has never been a follow up discussion or even one in person for that matter. I know they have not wavered in their views. If anything, they're more entrenched. Do I bring it up again? Cover myself because it's their home, their rules. Keep the peace for the sake of my daughter having access to her grandparents who love her dearly already. Are we both being the bitch? Is this a boundary or a bitch line? Much love to you both. Thank you for any insight you can provide, EJ. Oh my god, EJ. Fuck. This is so complicated. Yes. Shitty that you even have to go through this. I'm so sorry you have to go through this. I mean, the bottom line is like parents of that age, my parents are older than this even. My parents are older. They're in their 70s and they're, everything having to do with non-binary, trans, top surgery, anything like that, they're just like, what? They don't get it and anything different is bad. And so I don't agree with that at all, but it's like, I also have a gay brother and he had to come to them and say, when I get married, you will not be invited if you do not support gay marriage. So my mom had to really rethink her feelings and thoughts on that. So I think, honestly, there's almost a world I can see where maybe you guys, since it seemed like it was like, you have done all the talking over text, it feels like. Maybe there's a way that you guys could have a face-to-face and you can be like, listen, this is what I feel comfortable doing. This is who I am. If you want to be a part of my child's life, you need to support me and accept me. I would say that the compromise would probably be like, you just don't use the lake, you just come over and if they're like, come down to the lake, you're like, you know what? The way I feel comfortable at the lake is topless in a bathing suit bottom or trunks or whatever you're wearing on the bottom, like, that's how I feel comfortable at the lake. And if that's uncomfortable for you, then I'm just not going to go down to the lake. And then they don't get to see you enjoy their lake. And then they don't get to see their granddaughter enjoy their lake. And that's just, that's the boundary that you're setting, that this is how I feel comfortable. I mean, like, I have a friend who just got elective top surgery, like, and I've had, I've known a couple people who've gotten elective top surgery, not, they don't, they identify as she/her. And they're just like, and there are days where I'm like, get rid of these fucking things. Yeah. I am not, there's not a ton of love between me and my boobs. But it's just like this generation just cannot fathom like that someone would look different like that. Of course. And that's what I also do think that like, I was about to say, now, this is coming from someone that I could never have this conversation with my father. So I understand if you feel exactly the same way. But is there, since your mom is making it so much about your dad being uncomfortable, is there a place where you could go to him and say, like, this, to me, is not shameful. Yeah. And my scars are not shameful. And in fact, even you saying multiple times that, like, this is how I chose to not die. Yeah. And I wonder if your dad is aware of how you feel about your scars. Right. That's what I mean with the face-to-face grumbo. I do wonder that it's like, if, maybe if he knew, and again, not my most mourners, you can't really talk to them or they're not going to change. Especially like you said, that was like, would you say the first time you ever saw your dad cry? So it's like, he might not be a person that is wanting to have that conversation or would give you anything in that conversation. But it might help you if you hear from him what is making him so uncomfortable, like hear him say it. Yeah. Then say it to me. Because the thing is, is like, what it sounds like your mom is saying is like, oh, it's just too painful for your dad to relive that time. And like, that's simply not right. That's just not, let's say you got into a horrible car accident and you had to get like, you're a lower part of your leg amputated. Let's just say that. You're now never going to wear shorts again because that just reminds your family too much of how they almost lost you in the car accident. Exactly. What the fuck are you talking about? That's why I feel like it's like, okay, if you want to, if this is because it's a sexual organ, by the way, this is not because of scars and trauma. It's a sexual organ. I don't care. Like, I'm sure she's figured out a way that she could tell you, oh, it's actually about your daddy's uncomfortable and it's traumatic for him. This is what I'm saying. It's about the fact that it's your tits and the lack of your tits. Yes. And it makes them uncomfortable. But it's like, at this point, I don't know if you feel this way, EJ, but if I were there, I'd want to hear it from their mouths. Say it to me. I would want to talk to a point where it's like, I'd like to find out how do you really feel about this? Why do you not want me to end? If you're going to say it's because your feelings about people without breasts and people that whatever choice they make, whether or not they had a choice of having their breast taken off, I personally would say it to me. Also, your mom comparing herself and being like, well, technically I could do that too. And I'm not doing that. It's just not the same. A completely different situation. It's not the same. Yours was preventative and elective. Yours was from cancer. Also, every single instance of cancer is different. It presents in many different ways. Everybody is different. And how dare she do that when you have been through so much. And I think it is just deciding, I'm proud of you for wanting to try to connect, to try to have them as part of your job. As you're not talking for a year, I think that's good. And as somebody who also, I didn't speak to my dad for two years, and now we're talking again, there are bridges back to people. I think that that's good. But again, it's like, I don't know, I don't want you to use your granddaughter, their granddaughter as a pawn. But it's like, okay, if you guys, I'm inviting you back into my life now, and you need to, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. If this is their rule at the lake, then it's like, okay, if this is your rule to like, then none of the men can show their nipples either. Yeah, in general, I don't understand our country's obsession with tits being so dirty. I don't understand like how we're like, I see men at the beach with bigger boobs than me, and they're allowed to have their boobs out. But I'm not allowed to have my boobs like boobs. Like, it's so crazy to me. If you go to Europe, you go to Italy, there's just tits are in shower gel commercials. It doesn't matter. Like, it's so crazy how puritanical we are about that here. And like, you set it up at the beginning, they're conservative Christians, like, I understand. But I think, yeah, this sounds to me, maybe it's like more also of a conversation of you being like, I identify as non-binary and like, I feel comfortable with my shirt off. And like, these, these are not sex organs to me. And like, you know, but explaining where you are, where your brain is. But also, I mean, I feel like there's part of me that in this situation would just do it anyway. Yeah. And just to see, it's like, how are you going to react? What are you going to do? Are you going to scream at me in front of everybody? Are you going to like, I'm curious if that is also something that you would be interested in doing just to be like, this is what I'm doing. This is my body. I never want to discourage drama because I loved drama, I'd like know to do that. But I just think you've never had a conversation. It sounds like you've never had a conversation that wasn't just text and wasn't like you just fuming after the initial text. And then like, you know, all that. So I feel like, right, yeah, I don't know, I feel like a conversation, like a, you and I look, I understand what your fear is. I understand what your fear is. You know, just as furious as you. But I think trying to go at it as calm as possible. And then just being like, okay, well, then when you want to see like our kid, like my child, granddaughter, you're going to have to come to my house or we're not going to go down to the lake or whatever will come and only be inside an air conditioning where it's cold and then we'll leave after an hour, like, you know, like this, like, I don't know, you know. But I do think just having a conversation and kind of getting them to understand that you're not just like trying to be like shocking or whatever, like a lot of reasons why this is how you feel the most comfortable. Yes. You know, because you honestly, you explain them to all like, you explained it to us so well that like, I imagine I know the fear of talking to boomers. Yeah. And it's man, it's sometimes like talking to a brick wall. So in this case, I think you have every right to be the bitch. Yes. So I'm, we're granting you power. Be the bitch. Yes. We've, we just see the bitch inside of you. Yes. Now we want you to manifest a little bit more. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think we have time for a one more email before we bounce out of here, Jackie. You want to read that? Yes. Take it down. You got it. All right. Anywho, I'm starting at the anywho. In 2018, I reconnected with my first ever quote unquote boyfriend. We were childhood friends and just clicked right into place. So I moved about four hours away from where I was living to be closer to him. Upon moving, I find a new job and meet some new friends. I was in my mid slash late twenties when I met quote Julie, who was like 20. She seemed super cool and not like an annoying teenager. So we become friends. She was super jealous of my other friends where I was originally from, who I'd been friends with for much, much longer and saw much, much less. She had a history of canceling plans, but they weren't ever anything important. So I didn't think much of it and figured if she really was my quote best friend, she'd never pull that shit for something serious. Fast forward to 2022. And my now husband and I get engaged. Congratulations. Well, you're already married, but also congratulations. We both talked and decided it would just be better and easier not to have a best man or made of honor because of mostly Julie, but also because he didn't want to choose between his brothers. That's fine. Not a big deal. Now it's getting to the fun stuff when it comes to weddings. So I book an Airbnb three and a half hours away from where we lived to go dress shopping with my girls. Morning of she says she's sick and can't go. Fine, I get it. Feel better, girl. Fast forward to when I have my dress alterations. Guess who cancels last minute? Yep, Julie. So my mom wanted to throw me a bridal shower. It happened to fall on her birthday. She was turning 24. Not an important birthday in my humble opinion. I was having a bridal brunch, free food, free drinks. She freaked out and told me it was her birthday and she was so upset. I'd choose to have my bridal shower on her day. Okay. If it was an all day event, I would understand. This was maybe three hours. Anyway, I talked to some mutual friends about it and they all agreed it was a little shitty of her not to come. She then came to me and told me she would probably make it. I was so stoked. Come the day of the event. I text her and ask if she's coming. She says no and I get this long diatribe about how it was so selfish of me to plan my bridal shower on her birthday. So I take a beat and tell her, look, I still want you at my wedding, but because of your track record, I cannot have you as a bridesmaid. If you bail on me day of, it would ruin everything. She has ghosted me ever since. Yep. I knew you'd like this one. And I the bitch. Oh, baby. Oh, baby. Oh, baby. Oh, baby. We got a lot. We got a lot here. This, first of all, this is immediately making me think of us being like, youth is the bitch. I mean, this is a 24 year old girl who is being a dumb bitch. And she is being a bitch. She's being a young dumb bitch. Yes. Selfish, young dumb bitch. I will say, I've been to a wedding on my birthday. I've gone to a full day wedding on my birthday where no one gave a shit and two people said happy birthday to me and I didn't give a shit. It doesn't matter. Your birthday is not that big of a fucking deal. You can have some big ones. You can have your 30th, your 35th, your 40th, whichever ones you want to deem are the big ones, sweet 16, 21, whatever you want to do. Those, of course, are some big ones. You just, it doesn't fucking matter. Doesn't work. You can celebrate it another day and everybody can come and you can still be the center of goddamn attention on the day after your birthday or two days after your birthday or the night of your birthday. Cut the shit with today's my day. Okay. There's a lot of people born every fucking day being born. You didn't do anything special. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't fucking do anything special. So I'm just a sick of that shit. But also I was part of a wedding where a bridesmaid got unbridesmated. Whoa. I was the officiant of this wedding. And so I was involved in like, I was at the dress fittings. Oh, God. I was at the bachelorette. I helped plan the bachelorette. I was at like all the stuff. And then basically this friend felt like one of her bridesmaids at the bachelorette was like being really selfish and shitty. And I had said, oh, I think you should just talk to her about it. And then the next time I heard from her like an hour later, she was like, I just told her she's not a bridesmaid anymore. And I was like, whoa. Okay. Okay. And then the girl did not come to the wedding. Like she of course, I think when you get downgraded from bridesmaid, you're not going to come to the wedding to have ghosted you ever since. I don't think you're the bitch. I think it makes complete sense to be like based on your behavior. I don't think I'm not going to have there be an extra groomsman have my pictures be like have my pictures be uneven or whatever. It's your fucking day. You can do whatever you want. Yes. I don't I'm not surprised she didn't go. I guess I kind of want to know you want to know if you're the bitch. Obviously you're not the fucking bitch. She's the bitch. But do you want to be friends with this girl anymore? Because it sounds like she's very young. She's very you're probably getting up to be almost 30 in this girl's like 24. And she's young. So it's like you could wait for her to come around. You could like keep reaching out. I don't really know. But it doesn't sound like the kind of person you even really need to be having your life because that's it's what you said before. It's what you said in your email when you're like, Oh, I figured she'd never pull that shit for something serious. Well, she has. So now she has shown you who she is. Yes. Right. If she doesn't matter how fun she is watching housewives on a Tuesday. It doesn't matter how fun she is getting drunk at the bar on a Saturday. When you really push came to shove and you wanted her to be somewhere, not only did she not come, she made things about her. You had to reach out to her to say I'm not coming. You had to, you know, like because you also have to remember and I feel like maybe I say this too often on here, but you know, you got to be a friend to have a friend. Yeah. And relationships regardless of whether they are a sexual relationship, no matter what a relationship takes work. Yeah, friendships take work. And that's unfortunately a thing that 20 year olds don't know. They don't know. They're just like, Wait, I'm not having fun in this moment. What's happening next? And they can bounce off to something else. But I feel like that also comes from like, you know, not necessarily you don't have to have to have had gone to college to know this. But I feel like it's one of those things where in the same way when you're young, you look at older people being like, why you have such a difficult time dating? You just throw a rock and you date someone, which is what you learn in college is because you're surrounded by people that are your age, your every single, pretty much. You're in this like environment that's all insulated. And then you go into the world and you just kind of assume that it's like, Oh, okay, well, then you're not in my life anymore. And now you're not my friend anymore. And I'll just continue on. I'm just going to make other friends where I feel like it's different when you hit like closer to our age, where it's like, I've put many years into my friendships. This shouldn't ain't just going out the window. I know because I've been there. I've showed up. I did all the things, but this, but they've done it in them too. And so at this point, it's like, this is not like, well, and she you also said at the beginning, like, this is a girl who's also like jealous of your other friends. And like, I mean, this is a girl that's just like, there's red flag after red flag and what you're writing about her here. Like she has a history of canceling plans. Like she's unreliable. So if you're making a pro and con list here, this seems like a pretty decent list of cons. Yeah. And I don't know what pro is maybe that she's fun or whatever, but yeah, like, I mean, if it's if it's you, if you are, I don't know, you said she's ghosted you. I don't know if you feel like maybe you want to put it to bed. You could write her like one final message being like, Hey, I'm sorry that you felt like badly, but I really couldn't have this was a huge day for me. And I couldn't have risked it. And I thought that you were centering yourself. I'm open to talk about it. Or I and I hope that like one day we can reconnect, but I wish you well, whatever, if you want to like put it to bed. Yeah, but I don't think she's coming back to I don't think she's coming back to you. I think this girl's either going to stay like this forever or maybe she'll reach out to you in like three years and be like, damn, I was a rat. Look at me. I have done that to people before. Don't get me wrong. I have definitely wronged someone. And then years later went back and like, Hey, I'm really sorry about how I acted because I was a young, dumb, beautiful lady. And because I made a lot of mistakes because you do when you're young, but it doesn't sound like you want to be friends. Yeah. Yeah. It just doesn't sound like you're going to be getting like as you get you're getting older, you're getting married, like you're kind of maturing and you kind of realize that friendships are about like, who is going to be there for you and who can you rely on? And this sounds like she's completely unreliable. And maybe in five years should be more reliable. Exactly. And you'll reconnect. But I don't know, for now, sounds like a bit of, wow, everybody get over your fucking birthday. Sorry. That's it. Get over your fucking birthday. Although I understand that girl that didn't pick up the Nintendo Switch. I was like, it's your day. Don't you dare pick up that switch. And now I'm like, don't who cares. It's just they're being a wedding or something huge. It's like, it's surrounding a wedding weekend or it's like whatever. It's like, it's three hours in the morning, you get to dress up and go to a cool event and eat for free. Right. Birthday present. Yeah. Then in the evening, you can have your birthday dinner. I literally just did this two-y friend of ours because we are hanging out. I wanted to do something for an anniversary of sorts. And it happened to fall on a friend's birthday. So what did I do? I reached out to the friend. I was like, hey, this is on your birthday, but we kind of want to do this thing. Could we celebrate you as well or planning on doing anything? And he straight up was like, oh, I wasn't planning on doing anything. That sounds great. We'd love to do that. Perfect. Done. It's communication. Yeah. That's also something you learn as you get older. It's on a t-shirt. You know, we got a communication. We got to communicate, guys. But thank you so much for writing in. Thanks for writing in. Yeah. We really appreciate it. And if you guys want to write in, please go to who's, if you want to write in, call in, go to who's the bitch.com. That's got everything. You can also call us if you want to have a live conversation with us. Please. Call in during our live streams. Our next live stream is on a Monday, January 27th. The link is also at who's with it. /lpntb. Yes. And you can follow us on our Instagram, who's the bitch LPN, message us there if that makes you more comfortable. 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This week on Who's The Bitch, Jackie and Kara talk 'bout the evil enchantress that is Reality TV, including (the now supposedly sludge free) 90 Day The Other Way and Real Housewives of SLC, NJ, and NYC! As well as a discussion on the bitchiness of plastic surgeons.
Our first email comes in from a listener who wants to know if they're THE BITCH for outing their coworker as neurodivergent to a supervisor to save their coworkers job, despite being asked not to tell.
This weeks first, and only, voicemail comes in from a Jon Benet truther-listener who wants to know if they're THE BITCH for becoming more and more cranky at the movie going populace
This week's second email comes from a listener feuding with their mother due to them going topless in their parents' secluded home in the summer heat, after they had top surgery due to cancer. As it turns out, it's due to the fathers angst at remembering what his child, as well as his wife went through.
Our final email this week comes from a listener who is left asking if they're THE BITCH after having to ask a friend who kept bailing on things last minute to step down as a bridesmaid.
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