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03-14-25 Hour 2: Clay Holmes & Russell Wilson's corniness
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Now, if you recall, I was blamed as being a jinx because when Carlos Mendoza joined our show, and I said to him, are you ready to announce Sean Maniah as the opening day starter? And he said, listen, we got a lot of time before opening day. It's too soon. And obviously, Sean got hurt. Well, we are now less than two weeks away until opening day. So it is finally time for Carlos Mendoza to announce an opening day starter. We're about to hear from the manager, but before we do, Tiki Barber, any guesses on who is getting the nod to start opening day for the New York Mets? I'm going to say it is Kodai Senga. He is going with Kodai Senga, who, by the way, is scheduled to pitch tonight in a spring training game on SNY, which is why we'll be on TV a little bit earlier today, between 3.30 and 5.30. Well, Carlos Mendoza, the floor is your, sir. Play home. Oh, come on. And Senga is not like Senga, Senga is like this third or something. Yeah, we'll see where we are. You know, he's got a pitch today. We'll, you know, let's go one outing at a time. Play homes. You know, he earned it. You earned it. We like what we're seeing. You know, I know it's a small sample size here, but he's very encouraging. He really put himself in a really good position, showed up here early in camp, you know, like he was ahead of everyone. But again, I think it's more like the way he's looked so far, making that transition and we're comfortable with him. So there you go. I should have said clay homes. I don't know why I didn't say clay homes. I'm surprised. Last week, I said he's going to win a Cy Young. Why did I not? You know why I didn't? Why? Because I think like Aaron Boone, like how does this line up Z where is he at right now with opening day two weeks away? How does this line up? Oh, how do the days fall? How do the days fall? We just tell in speaking of that, think how different Aaron Boone is from Carlos Mendoza. They've worked on the same staff for a long time. Yeah, Aaron Boone gives us a bunch of nonsense about non answers, right? Non answered nonsense when asked about who's going to be the opening day starter based on where a guy lines up and, you know, which is pitching days like and we'll see how this thing times its way out. Whereas, Carlos Mendoza is like, clay homes. He earned it. He's a stud. He's awesome. He deserves to be an opening day starter. Like dude, that part of it, because I look, there's a lot of shock factor to this. And despite how good clay homes has pitched in spring training, which has been exceptional. He's been great. He's been great. But let's take a step back for a second. If I would have told you six months ago that Yankees closer. Oh, and he lost his closer. Yes. Yankee reliever Clay Holmes is going to sign with the Mets as a starting pitcher. And then he's going to pitch on opening day. Right. You would have thought I had 10 heads, right? And he earned pitching. It's not like there was an injury in the way that things lined up. He just happens to be the star that's going to fall in line for opening day. Carlos Mendoza is saying he was the best pitcher we have in camp. Well, when he earned it, when you look at spring training, and obviously look, Charman eyes injury did impact it, but it was so early on in spring. Who knows? Who knows what his plan was for opening day. I tried to get it out of him three weeks ago. I didn't give us an answer, but you look at the amount of innings David Peterson's thrown, Kodai Sanga's thrown, Paul Blackburn, Griffin canning and Clay Holmes. And you forget their resumes. Just forget their resumes. You just look at what they've done in spring training. He's right. Yeah. Clay Holmes has earned it. Now, I don't know if that's the number one reason he's given them the opening day start, but when he says he earned it, if you look at the way he's performed in spring training, he has. And maybe it's also a message to Clay. Clay Holmes is trying a big career change this year. Yeah, that's a good point. And so here's Mendoza saying, you know what, buddy, I'm going to give you an opening guy. I'm going to empower you. I'm going to empower you. You're going to be matched up with the other races, in this case, from Bervaldez. And you're getting the opening day start. And for any Met fan or Yankee fan who wants to mock the Mets, I'm going to be consistent about this because we talked about this a few days ago with the Yankees. Opening day is symbolism. It doesn't mean anything other than that. So my reaction to Clay Holmes starting opening day. Okay, great. But it doesn't affect me one way or the other because it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, well, I mean, maybe something in the short term for Clay. It's an accomplishment. I mean, it doesn't mean anything. I would argue against that, though. I would say it does mean something. It means that Carlos Mendoza might be saying Clay Holmes, I want you to be our ace. Yeah, I don't look at it that way. I know, but I'm not saying that he's you are, but maybe he is. Well, because he said he's earned it. I mean, it was very little ambiguity about how he felt about Clay Holmes, right? Like, now maybe he's just blowing smoke just to make him feel good, right? Make Clay Holmes feel empowered, as you mentioned a little bit earlier, but maybe actually feels that we started opening day for the Mets last year. I don't know. Tommy, do you remember? Of course not. Of course. No, I don't remember. Let me think for a second. I don't remember things like, Oh, no, it was, and how could we forget? It was, uh, what's his face with the guy? Yeah, no, you know, the guy. No, come on, T. We had lunch on the other day. Come on. You don't remember? Somebody feed me this, please. It was, uh, I'm not feeding anybody. I know the answer. I want to see if you guys remember. It's beyond obvious at this point. Tommy has no idea. Tommy has no idea. The point is not to make anyone look at it. It's the point that it's not memorable. Who was it? Jose Quintana. But my point is, all right, let's take this back further. 2022. Yeah, why? All right, I told her, let's stop. Why was it? Why was it? Jose Quintana last year? Who else should have been? Exactly. That's the point. Who should have started coming into the season last year? The entire rotation was new. He was the only guy coming back. He was the veteran. So there wasn't a symbolism. There wasn't an, he earned it. No, it wasn't like he just said what I'm going to be honest with you. So the only time to me in my lifetime that this does matter, there's a symbolism to it is when it is a true, true ace. So Jacob to Grom matter to me. Right. Dwight Eugene Gooden mattered to me. Yeah, I think. But Garrett Cole. Garrett Cole's an unquestioned ace. When he's healthy, he's the opening day starter. And I can see why that would matter to you. But I think when you're dealing with kind of this new met world that we're living in, and really ever since Jake left, because even with Scherzer and Verlander, I was like, I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. And they're not who they used to be anyway. Yeah. So I didn't even care then when they were debating between Verlander and Scherzer. Do you guys remember who started that opening day? I actually don't because I think they both got hurt. Verlander definitely got hurt, but he got hurt on opening day. So he wasn't the opening day starter. It was definitely that Verlander impitched a lot like a month later. I think it was Max. I think it was Max. And the year before that 2022, you know, started opening day. No, Tyler McGill. Yeah, I actually do remember that. So when there isn't an obvious guy, and I love Kodai Sangha, don't get me wrong. Kodai was great in 2023. He hasn't earned that yet either. So I kind of look at opening day as it's just not moving me on that kind of honor. Now, as far as Clay's concern congrats to him, I want to warn my fellow Met fans about something. Tommy already probably feels it. The Met fan is going to get mocked mercifully by the Yankee fan. Why? Clay Holmes has started opening day. Well, there's a reputation. But I think he's actually going to do very well. I think he's going to do well as well, but that's not going to stop the Yankee fan from mocking Clay Holmes pitching on opening day. Well, they can mock him, but if they're wrong, because he pitches, I don't know, six innings and gives up one run, then who's mocking who? Well, look, if Clay has a great year, Tommy gets the ultimate victory because remember he has that bet with Sean Morash, who's going to have a better year, Clay Holmes versus Max Freed. And if you ever won that one, that's a huge win because it was so like crazy to even suggest at the time. And you got a long way to go. You haven't done anything yet. I mean, the season hasn't started and we're not looking at spring training as any kind of a factor. But yeah, if Clay has a great year, Met fans will get the last left. I'm just warning the Met fan that as this news trickles out, that Clay Holmes is the Met's opening day starter. In fact, I haven't even looked yet. I'm about to check. This is my test. I'm going to check the Twitter feed of my coworker, Keith McPherson. Do you think he has trolled the Met's about Clay Holmes? No, 14 seconds ago. I am to am. He retweets FA and Clay Holmes is the opening day starter. Yeah. And Keith's tweet is many predicted this on brand. That's a mocking. Why is that mocking? I mean, what does that mean then on brand? Yeah, on brand means it's on brand for the Mets to have a whole opening. They start taking Yankee and then try to, I don't know, elevate him. So is that just like seven last year? Tommy, is this not a mother? He's every right to do it. I'm just warning Met fans that Yankee friends are going to do it. So I appreciate that Keith without even getting a signal from me is already playing along with this. But that is a mocking. Yeah, this is my thinking. If I'm thinking like Keith here, a couple of weeks to opening day, this is like his on a scale of one to 10, 10 being the highest troll. This is five and you build up to 10 for opening day. You don't want to give your 10 here today. You build it off. This is this is a troll. And all I'm saying is Keith is going to represent a lot of Yankee fans who are going to take this opportunity that Clay Holmes has been announced as the opening day starter to mock the Mets and Met fans. Now, I will help you out with this. You could just chuckle and say, yeah, who cares? Because at the end of the day, the results are going to determine this. Clay Holmes has to go out and have a good year. And I'm with you, Tiki. I've gained confidence. That's why we're making that Clay Holmes say young bet. Yes. But so far, he hasn't done anything as great as his spring training has been. Tommy doesn't even want spring training. So you can't count it for Clay Holmes and not counted for everything else that's happened. So you're disqualified from counting spring training. All I know is Clay Holmes is the opening day starter and Max Fried is not. So it says one nothing movie in the first inning. And he's been lights out. And I don't watch spring training, but I do see the highlights on social media. Then they look good. No, he is right. It is one nothing, though, because Max Fried is not pitching, but a Danny Clay. But again, it did. It doesn't matter. So no, it really doesn't. You can't really count it. If you think maybe a half of it, half of it, and honestly, not jokes aside. But I think if show him and I was healthy, he'd be the opening day starter because he was viewed as the head of the table, the tribal chief, and the symbolism of opening day. I think Sean and I earned last year being the leader of this pitching staff. If he was healthy, I do think he'd be getting the ball, but Holmes has earned it. And keep this in mind about maniacs. I agree with you. And that's why I said to Mendy when he was on when he was going to announce Sean and I because I completely agree with your assessment on opening day last year. Did anybody in their right mind think that Sean Maniah would turn into the New York Mets ace? And the answer is no. And he did. So as we begin this new baseball season, and I think this works for the Yankees as well, you never know who come October, we're talking about as the ace of a team. Could it be Clay Holmes? I hope so. Could it be Griffin canning because the best side? Why not acknowledge me? Why not? It could just be Sean Maniah again. So there you go breaking news. Clay Holmes atop the Met rotation. He is starting opening day. The guy who starts the second game of the year is likely to start the first game at home. For those that are thinking about that. Now we'll get to some of your phone calls 8888081019, including a Russell Wilson cringe list that we put together as the Giants are meeting with Russell Wilson today. And part of the criticism that he faces is that he's quote unquote cringe. So we did a lot of research and we collected some of his cringiest moments. Let's go to Vinny and Staten Island. How are you, Vin? Hey, how you doing guys? Good. So Evan, right before I make my point, I just wanted to say I don't know if you'll remember, but we were supposed to talk this week, but you had to move some things around. Yes, I apologize for that. But we could talk any guy, I think I told my assistant because I have an assistant on Instagram that any day at like 121230, we will hook it up and we will pod. Let's go, baby. All right, we'll make it work. So yeah, me and my partner, we actually worked with the DOE. So we're just looking for a day off to get to get all with you. You got it, baby. I'll be there. Appreciate you. Um, so the clay homes thing for guys like Marash and McPierson that obviously are going to troll the meth fans like us. It would be so great for clay homes that make the opening day start for the Mets and do it in Houston and dominate a team that their team has been batted around by for years now. You know what I wonder about, Vinny? Because obviously, clay homes being effective is just great for the Mets and it's great for their rotation. If you're a Yankee fan, how are you going to view clay homes as a starter being good if he is good? Because the Yankees never even considered moving into the rotation. So it's not right. Somebody you necessarily lost, it's just another team taking a gamble on a player that you used in a very different role. So are you going to be like bitter, angry, mad, whatever it is? I think so. I think if I think if Louis Severino would have turned into like this super ace for the Mets, that would have been more frustrating than clay homes. Because clay homes, like he felt like a failed starter because he started his career in Pittsburgh, started what three games are so in his first first season and then he quickly got moved into a relief role. And so to us as a Yankee, he was always a relief. He was always a relief pitcher and you never really thought anything other than that. So I think this is more of a testament. I think even Yankee fans would have to pay respect to Jeremy Hefner and what the Mets pitching lab has done because we already saw it with Sevi, right? We saw it with now we're seeing it with clay and it feels like they just have this this unique ability to get the best out of pitchers. So then what with that quasi Yankee fan? I don't think I don't think it's anger. I don't think it's, honestly, and I'm not a Yankee fan. So I'm just speaking just based on the facts. I think it should cause no emotion. Like I would almost look at clay homes is just another player. Yeah, it's more like a missed opportunity that you didn't even think of. And they didn't consider it because clay was asked, did you talk to the Yankees about converting to a starter? And he said, no, in by way, whose idea was it? Was it clay's idea? Hey, Mets, I think I want to try to be a starting pitcher or so was it the Mets going to clay and saying, we like your stuff. We want to add a couple of pitches and we think we can convert you to a starter. Numerous teams, including the Mets, saw his stuff and saw his potential as a starter and brought it up to his agent who then brought it up to clay homes who's like, sure, right? You know what? Why the hell not? So it actually came from teams, right? Not just the Mets, but the Yankees weren't one of them. So look, I can't speak for Yankee fans. But my assumption would be you shouldn't have any emotion towards clay homes. I botched it again. I don't think it's a botched it again. I think it was just, I think it's more. That's funny, though. Like clay homes, honestly, he was in no man's land because he's not a closer. Well, he was, but he wasn't, but he's not because he wasn't good at it. Right. You know what? He was. He was until they took him away from that role. No, he just didn't have elite stuff. It's not like he was throwing 97 and blowing guys away. It was all right. I'm just going to pepper around the edges and try to get you to ground out the second base. Yeah, you know what I mean? So I think if, if homes sucks, all right, let's say he starts opening days terrible and this failed experiment goes awry, which is possible, right? Cost you 13 million dollars. I think then I could see the Yankee fan and I probably would join in if I was a Yankee fan, just laughing, pointing and laughing, ha ha, losers. But if he's great, I wouldn't even be annoyed because we weren't considering him in that role. That's right. So that would be the way I'd view it. Let's go to Sonny and Malvern. What's up, Sonny? Hey, guys. How are you? Good. All's good. Good. Couple of giant points, then a very intriguing question. If you let me finish at the end. First of all, BT, you were right about there. I want to understand the assignment. I actually met him. Which one do you think is BT? Work with him, right? Sorry. I called him the other. Anyway, um, I met him actually at the very beginning of the season at Birdville Goodman Men's Store. You know where that is, right? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I know Evan does him, probably. No, I know. Zero cool. Yeah. It's a high end men's store in Manhattan. The suits go for like 10,000, 15,000 dollars. Anyway, notice his wife first, because you remember when he was with the Rams, they showed her a million times on TV. Right. That blonde, spiky hair. So I saw her, then I had a look around, and Kurt one was standing right next to me, and he shoots myself like some of a big giant band. And he said he was there to mentor the young quarterback. So Tiki, you were right on that. As far as the quarterback situation, listen, the giants took their hand by offering staff for a two year deal. So that tells you that kind of draft award or sanders. So they're going to bet their franchise quarterback on a second or third round pick. So the intriguing question is, if they do not do that, do you think they will not draft the quarterback and go say a Rogers and try to win, you know, this year for the next two years and wait for their quarterback? Is that a possibility? I mean, anything I think is a possibility. I think they are going to, even if it's not, if they can't get one of the kids at the top, so I really think it's Ken Ward. If they can't get him, I think they're still going to draft a quarterback and a project because no matter how you look at it, all of these kids are projects. We said this a little bit earlier in the show. I don't think any of them are going to come in and just take the league by storm. I don't think we haven't seen that kind of success from these kids in college. And so I don't know if it's going to necessarily translate immediately to the NFL. So the veteran is going to be necessary to help them, but also to play right now. So I think anything is really on the table, but I don't see them not taking a quarterback this year. The veteran that is on the table right now is the veteran they're meeting with reportedly today in Russell Wilson. And one of the criticisms that Russ faces from all corners is that he's quote, unquote cringe. That is the criticism that Russell Wilson faces. So here at Evan and TU, we did some research and we decided to pull the five cringiest things that Russell Wilson has done. So let's start things off with his imitation of his former head coach Pete Carroll, in which he dressed up like Pete Carroll, and then tried to imitate Pete Carroll. Take a listen. So we're here, let's see how it shows us. Got a real cool thing going on. I'm going to go see some kids and go Hawks, you know, and Pete Carroll and always competing. All your guys are rolls, fantastic players. And these kids, these kids are absolutely fantastic. And as you can see, I got my game gear on. Got my loner. You've traced me. See ya. How cringy would you put that one out? That's not a big cring. Not a big cring. That's actually kind of entertaining. Really? Oh, you're warming up to Russ. Where was where was that? We're what he was in Seattle obviously, because Pete was a said coach. And he was in front of like a hospital, which was interesting. So what was the context he was doing? I don't know, but he had like, like he really looked like him. Was he like, practice? Or is he doing this on his own just on his own? Just to screw around, just to show off his Pete Carroll limitation. Yeah, I'm not sure. Was he goaded into doing this? Or was this something he just did? I don't know. Because if he just did it, the last kind of cringy. Okay, so that's where the context matters. Yes. Tommy, where did you put that on the cringe list? No, that wasn't cringy at all. I actually found that pretty entertaining, right? Unless it was just him randomly doing it. It could also have been Halloween. He was dressing up as a baby. I know what's going on right now. These guys are accepting that Russ is coming to the giant. All of a sudden, the things that were cringy. Oh, no, no, I promise you at least two of these next four are going to be very cringy. Well, I'm bringing out the heavy heater now. I'm bringing out to me what is one of the cringiest things. And of course, this is famous for those that are aware of it. This is the Mr. Unlimited cringe. I've been thinking about it when my alter ego would be. And I think I have an alter ego. His name, his name is Mr. Mr. Unlimited. Yeah, you got to be unlimited. You got to have a thought process of being unlimited. So when people ask you, you know, what you're thinking about or what you want to do in life or where you want to go, you got to be unlimited. Tell them I'm unlimited. You know what I mean? So when they ask you certain questions like, who brings you motivation, Russell? Mr. Unlimited. Who was your role model, Russell? Unlimited. Who was your go-to person for advice, Russell? They think, Pete Carroll. They think this person, think that person. Love you, Pete. But it's Mr. Unlimited. How about that one? Yeah, yeah. Major cringe. That's major cringe. Major. Who was that? 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Now this one help us out with tea because we're going to go inside the huddle. Yes. And you can tell us if this is cringy or not as a teammate of his. You're in the huddle with Russell Wilson. Yep. And let's say he starts singing in the huddle. So here's Russell Wilson miked up singing a little bit. Let's go get it, baby. Let's go do it. Come on. That was about this version. That was a Southern Baptist version right there. I don't mind that at all. That's it. See, I can't. I think that's great. You think that's great? Yeah. Did Eli ever do that? No, he did not. Okay. It's a pretty good voice here. It canary Collins ever do that. No. No. Okay. Gary Collins would just yell at everybody. It was awesome. All right. Here's another one in the huddle. Again, tell us if this would be cringy because here he's trying to pump his teammates up. Let's see this one. That's right here for you, fellas. We're going to answer right here for you. We're going to answer right here for you. Let's go to work. No, that's fine. That's all good so far. That's all good. Hey, if he would have done his unlimited like that, it would have been awesome. Right. All right. Here's my last one because Tiki's been okay with most of these outside of the unlimited one. How about if he brought back the unlimited one, but tried to do it in various languages? Oh, Lord. How about that? Unlimited. Unlimited. How'd they say that? I didn't say that thing in feature, bro. Unlimited. What'd I say to the German? On the glens. Spanish. Ilamentaro. Ilamentaro. You got to lose the unlimited thing. That was courty. He's not bringing that here, though. Now, the other thing he does, which drives fans nuts, I don't mind it because Pete Alonso does it. So I'm good with it. You know how after like Pete does an interview, he'll say L. F. G. M. Yes. Okay. That's his phrase. L. F. G. M. And Matt fans love it. We we yeah. L. G. M. L. G. M. L. G. M. So when Russ was in Seattle, he did a whole go Hawks. Yeah. Every interview would end with go Hawks. Here's an example from the Manning cast. He was on the Manning cast and he gives you his little go Hawks. The great show man. You guys have done an amazing job with Manning cast. It's an honor to be behind you with both of you. Appreciate it. Have a good all fast man. I'll see you guys. Appreciate you guys go Hawks. All right. Just that's the Hawks. Very interesting. It's kind of collegey. Very collegey. Yeah. He goes to Denver and this is where it got very, very he would end it with let's ride. Let's ride. Let's ride. Let's ride. And you it pissed off Bronco fence. I'm telling you're right. It pissed everyone. That's when I think it really gained steam as what's wrong with this guy. Why does he have to say let's ride. It's 45. Is it a thing? Let's ride is a thing. But he's pandering that clearly like he's that that's where it becomes corny and pandering. It's one thing Pete. You've been here forever. It's fine. It's Pete. He's goofy. Right. Russ is pandering when he does that. It's obvious. It's transparent and it's fake and Tony. So that bothered. I think that would bother me. Now in Pittsburgh is Gallo here today? Yes. Oh, I spoke to him about it. He confirmed that he confirmed that it's Bridget for Bronco fans. He does not like Russell Wilson. Yes. I like it. And particularly the let's ride thing. That's right. And he let the let's ride the Broncos country. Let's ride schtick. Stay in Denver. I think in Pittsburgh it was like here we go. Kind of like here we go Steelers. What does he do here? Do we have an approved go big blue? I think it's gonna be go big blue. It's got to be go big blue. Go big blue. Limited. Not that. I think he's gonna whip out a go big blue and it will feel very pander-ish. No, it's big blue. It's like Mick Foley. It's great to be here in Huntington Long Island. It's come on. I know you're a long island guy, but it's pander. Yeah. But think about it, Tommy. When you're in Huntington Long Island, you cheer and love it. You are a Giants fan. Once he starts saying, I love you big blue, you will go to fall hook line and sick or four because it's like all He loved the Bronco fans. He loved the Seattle fans. He loved the Pittsburgh fans. You don't have to love every single. Give me something else, Ron. Just don't recycle the material. What's he going to say? Don't say anything. It just it comes off as pandering. You're a sea hawk. That's your team. You won there. That's fine. Leave it in Seattle. You got to freshen up the act a little bit. Is that you? Doesn't that? Well, I mean, if I, I mean, I have my act here. I would probably freshen up the action is a new baseball season. Shouldn't you change the act for 2025? Well, no, there's the 2024 positive Tommy, as you know, is unkillable. So I'm not, I think we're positive Tommy sticking around. Okay. I won't lead us. Russell Wilson is cringy, but I do have to defend him. If he can win games and not alienate himself in the locker room, which I don't think it'll do. No, I think he, I think the issues in Seattle and why people started to resent him in Seattle was because it was for a long period of time. There was success and maybe a battle over who's getting the credit for success. Right. So I think in the short term, whether it's here in New York or even last year in Pittsburgh, I don't think he's like a problem. No, I don't think he's a problem. And the only issue that became of issue was the, I won an office on the executive level. Yeah, that's in Denver. And that was bad. Yeah. And Dave says, I'm gonna allow that. You're saying to hell, no. We'll get back to your calls on Russell Wilson, the Giants quarterback, Clay Holmes is the Mets opening day starter and our Yankee fans actually going to be resentful. If Clay Holmes is any good, less than two weeks away from the start of the baseball season, the Yankees opening up in the Bronx against the Brewers, the Mets opening up in Houston against the Astros. If you're just tuning in, the Mets did announce their opening day starter. That will be Clay Holmes. Aaron Boone has not announced his Yankee opening day starter, but something very exciting is happening right here on WFA. And today that you may not even be aware of. And this was always something as a kid. I look forward to so much that first time I could turn on WFAN and listen to a baseball game. And back in the day when I was growing up, obviously it was the Mets station. So it was Bob Murphy and Gary Cohen back then. But for the last, I think now we're at about 12 years, we are the flagship station for the reigning and defending and undisputed American League champion, New York Yankees. And so tonight at 6 30 p.m., right after our show is over, it is the WFAN. It is the Dave Sims. It is the Yankees 2025 debut right here on the fan. So you will get all the action. We'll get to hear Dave Sims, who I played these clips a while ago, but he was awesome in Seattle for the last, basically two decades. And now we are going to hear Dave Sims's brilliance. So tonight's Yankee game is on the radio. It's the first game we're airing this season. It is the Yankees against the Phillies and the coverage will begin really just to play by play. No pregame show. We'll take it right up there until 6 30. And you will get to hear the voices of the legendary Susan Waldman and the newest member of our family, even though he was always in our family. But then he left and he came back to our family, the great Dave Sims. Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing him. He's so unique, obviously, from John Sterling, who retired last year after the postseason. Well, you're tired then he came back for the postseason, but then ultimately retired. But Dave is such a cool dude, man. He's been around a couple of times. We've seen him in studio here, and I'm looking forward to this game. I'll actually listen to it on the way home, even though it's a spring training game doesn't mean anything. But just to hear his cadence, because we've only heard it in Seattle, I wonder what unique Yankee, I don't know, little nuances he's going to bring. I look forward to it. She'll be very exciting, and pitching for the Philadelphia Phillies. You may say, why am I bringing up who's pitching for the Philadelphia Phillies? It may be an audition, because the guy pitching for the Philadelphia Phillies is clearly available. The Phillies would trade him to the Yankees if they wanted a depth starting pitcher, and that guy is familiar with New York. So since we're all good with Yankees coming to Mets and Mets coming to Yankees, pitching for the Phillies tonight, former All-Star, Taiwan Walker. Just saying, I'm just saying, you never have enough starting pitching. And trust me, the Phillies would deal you Taiwan Walker, toll-free numbers 888-808-1019. Let's go to Diego. He's calling from East Meadow. What's up, Diego? Hey, what's up, boys? I was good. Yo. So hear me out. If Brian Day will supposed to be this quarterback whisper and this great offensive genius, then wouldn't it make sense for him to bring in James Winston, who is only 31, who's not only a one-year QB, he can be if he had for possibly two years. So instead of stretching for a quarterback this year, which there doesn't seem to be like that one guy that's a unanimous franchise QB, the strength of this team right now is Dexter Lawrence and what they've done on the defense. So bring in Abdul Carter for that DP from Michigan and just kick the can down the road one more year and see what happens. Maybe there's another Matthew Stafford situation next year, but it just seems to me like he's desperate. Instead of trying to figure out the QB situation, he's trying to bring in an already made QB by someone else instead of doing something with lesser talent. Right. So you're suggesting instead of all of us clambering for Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers, you go get a serviceable player that you hope you can coach the interceptions out of and say like James Winston and then wait for another year. I mean, it's not a bad idea and to be honest with you, the more that this veteran QB carousel getting, you know, jerked around is going on. It kind of feels more plausible to be honest with you. The idea is solid. The problem with the idea and I don't like when I even when I argue with my wife, I say this. So this is very similar. I don't like harping on the past. You know, yes, I screwed up on. Yes, I shouldn't have done that. Right. But let's talk about how that's not going to happen ever again. Right. Well, we have to spend 10 minutes or just let it go. We're just let it go. I had more confidence in Zach Wilson than I do just in her war. Right. Why did you play that draft that had nothing to do with anything we were talking about? You were wrong. So I'm proving that that wasn't the best to take. Oh, okay. Fair enough. So what I'm saying here is I don't want to get nuts about mistakes the Giants made last year. Because the one thing Giants fans can also do is get nuts about, hey, this is why I wanted to fire Shane and table now. Yeah. New administration cleaner thing. I don't want to rehash the past, but his point about bringing in somebody that Brian Dable can almost fix or develop. It pisses me off because that's what I thought last year was such a great opportunity to do, especially with the questions around Daniel Jones, which is why one of the names I brought up to a year ago. I'm like a suit sayer. You got to give it time. I'll be right eventually was Justin Fields. Because the way I looked at it was you got a quarterback coming off an injury. Why not bring someone else in who? Yeah. But you can kind of, because I think it's too late to do his plan. Well, the problem, the problem with Justin, the Justin Fields take is that at the time, the Bears wanted a second rounder. Yeah, they were asking for too much. 100%. Did they even ask for a first round? I can't, whatever it was. The price was too high. It was way too high. And then ultimately after everybody moved and drew lock signs with the, with the Giants and all the other free agents are, are, are places and teams have shorted up their quarterback situation. The Bears are like, Oh crap, we're stuck with them. We're drafting a quarterback. Right. We're just, we just got to give them away. But my point is like, okay, forget. The Giants couldn't wait to wait. The Giants couldn't afford to wait. Couldn't wait on Justin Fields. That's one example. I'll give you a second example, because it's the one that we're talking about a lot today. And that's James Winston was avowed. So Sam Donald. So it's right. And Sam Donald was cheap. Yeah, that's my point. Like one of those guys in a year like last year would have made more sense than this year, because I think this year they're just on the hot seat. Yeah. I don't think Dave will ask time to like, Hey, let me see if I can unbreak James Winston. Like it's a great idea in theory. But guys, the owner said they're on the hot seat without saying they're on the hot seat. Right. So I think the plan is sound if it was done last year, not this year. Right. And by the way, I know we're talking about hot seats and what the owner expects. And we're saying it's got to be a winning season. It might not be a winning zinnings. It's just gonna be better. It just might need to be. Yes, we lost more games than we won, meaning we're under 500. But man, our team is getting better and we can see it. Like we lose, we lose three of those games by two points. Yeah, right. Less than one score. Game winning field goal the wrong way type of thing. It's, it's not like getting your butt kicked like the Giants did a lot last year. And they were just uncompetitive in some of those games. Marike kept it open ended. I need to be in a better mood next year. Right. There needs to be hope moving into the off season. And that can be defined a lot of different ways. Let's go to Jacob Ian Fairhaven. How you doing today, Jacob? Hey guys, long time listener, first time caller. I want to talk about, yeah, no problem. I just want to talk about your take on Clay Holmes. Listen, as a Yankee fan, long time young, I'm 23. So thank you, Ben, which I know my best to match fans off. That's fine. I understand it. Matchy makes sense. I respect it. You know, I understand you guys are coming from where the Yankees didn't really use Clay Holmes as a starter. There was never really a moment where we Yankee fans or anyone really thought, Oh, yeah, this guy's a starter. No, but as a Yankee fan, when somebody, we see this time and time again, where we have pitching or other players that go to other teams, and they are more successful, it does not matter the circumstances. In my experience, and from other Yankee fans that I know, if that player does better on another team, we get upset and he get upset because, unfortunately, there is a level of entitlement, and it's passed down from my dad, passed down through the family of we demand excellent. I get it. Right. But Jacob, we're just telling you, you don't need to be upset. Like, why would you be upset? You didn't want Clay Holmes anymore. Am I right? Listen, I'm not saying he's rapping. No, like you're totally right. I'm not saying it's rational. All right. In the same vein, it's just the realities. Yankee fans were crazy. No, it's true. No, it's true. I think all fan bases, especially New York fan bases are somewhat crazy like that. But the reality is, no met fan wanted Clay Holmes anymore. They didn't see a role for him. Well, I think Yankee fans wanted them back as a reliever, potentially. I don't think starter was ever brought up. Like, when it was mentioned that he was the Mets were considering him as a starter, it was shocking to everybody, myself included. So I think it was viewed differently as a reliever. Like, were Yankee fans cramming to have him back not necessarily? But I don't think they would have minded if he came back. He was a solid. He was an all star. No, I think they wanted. Yeah, but they wanted an upgrade. And they did. They got Devin Williams. They upgraded. As good as Clay is, we all agree. If we're comparing them, Devin Williams is a much more accomplished and better relief picture than Clay Holmes is. Right. So they did upgrade. Especially, I mean, the thing you don't know, though, is what Luke Weaver is going to be this year. We knew what he was last year, at the end. But essentially, Luke Weaver is replacing Clay Holmes. Can I give you a wild comparison? And I want to use it for you, Tommy as a med fan. Brett Beatty sucks this year. The Mets release him. And you're like, great, I'm so done with Brett Beatty. Hey, they've done with him. Brett Beatty then immediately signs a minor league contract with the Yankees to be a flame-flowing, throwing right-handed relief picture. Hear me out on this. He then quickly makes the adjustment. And next year, Brett Beatty is the best reliever in baseball. We as med fans going to get pissed at the Mets. That Brett Beatty became this all-star reliever for the Yankees. I'm not going to be pissed. But here is why, because would you possibly say, because it's so ridiculous. I know Tyler Naikwin, former med is now a pitcher, but in most guys, they're not going to, you know, all of a sudden become a big league pitcher after being a, you know, an offensive player. And so she goes, says Dunadies in Met Camp right now. Sure, sure. And Keel did it. Here's where I would be mad as a Yankee fan. And this is- No, no, no, answer my question. I just answered it. You would be- No, you didn't. I said I wouldn't be pissed. How could I- You would not be pissed. How could I possibly be pissed? Okay. So you would not be pissed. I would not be pissed. I did say that, but then I was making a point. Yeah. I got confused. I wanted to hear your answer. I said I wouldn't be pissed. You would not be pissed. I would not be pissed. Now before you give your other answer, that's kind of the same thing. Yeah. Like, Cleo's not- Not really, because it's so- It's so out of love field. Oh, Cleo home starting his not a left field. No one talked about it. He's a pitcher. It's not like your second baseman, probably, this year- I'm becoming a pitcher. Starting second baseman, becoming a pitcher. I, even though Donovan Walton could be. I see. But I'm only saying that Holmes moving to the rotation, like, takes Seth Lugo, for example. I promise. I'll let you make your point. But this is interesting. Seth Lugo was a reliever for the Mets, who wanted to start, started a little bit, was in the bullpen. Finally, the Mets let him go. He becomes a starter. Yeah. He becomes a Cy Young caliber starting pitcher. That's different because we all talked about it. We all debated it. Should Lugo start? Should Lugo relieve Lugo start? It was a thing. Cleo Holmes converting into a starter was like a slap across the face when Joel Sherman reported that. No one talked about it. At least around here. It was a stunner. So to be annoyed about something that no one was ever even considering, that's why I brought up the Beatty Extreme Comparison because it's almost the same thing. Yeah. But I think Clay Holmes, and we started, I started talking about this earlier, Clay Holmes, it almost felt like his relieving days, he was just going to always just be this middle reliever now. But not, he wasn't ever going to get another chance to be a closer, but he's not old enough to just put out the pasture. So why not? He was one of the better relievers on the market this year. I know that, but he was like, but who was going to trust him to get that final out? Not to save games you're right, but I know as a med fan, I wanted him as the eighth inning guy. I looked at him as one of the great bullpen options that were out there. So that's the way I viewed it. What was your point? Yeah. So what I would say is if I was a Yankee fan, where I would be annoyed, if you look at the tenure of Brian Cashman, one of the biggest knocks on him is starting rotation. You'd give all this money in all these years to a guy like Max Freed, where you had Clay Holmes already on your roster, more value, you sign them for less years, they don't have the foresight, perhaps maybe the Mets do or even another team that want to make the homes a starter where they're still stuck in the give them nine years, give them a ton of money instead of being creative on a guy you already had on your roster. You had Clay Holmes. If the Mets turn Clay Holmes into a great starter, if I'm a Yankee fan, I go, we had this guy under our nose. How come nobody saw this? But let me push you back on this one because I totally get your point in the Yankees are operating very differently than the Mets when it comes to acquiring pitchers. Well, they handed out a lot of big contracts. David Stern is allergic to that. You're right. He ain't doing it. Here's the other thing. Yeah. Clay Holmes, Luis Hill, right. Think about who you had here. Max Freed. Then enough starters. Carlos Rodon. Yeah. Right. Clark Schmidt. Now, and obviously, I always forget his name. Will Warren? No, not Will Warren. He's Marcus Strowman. Strowman. Marcus Strowman. You forgot Marcus Strowman. Always forget Marcus Strowman because we almost traded him in our minds before the season started. But Strowman, like you can't, how do you move with Clark? Clay Holmes into that group? It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. But the other thing is. Whereas the Mets need starting pitching. Yeah. So there's a lot of things that I disagree with what you said. First of all, they got the best out of Clay Holmes, the Yankees. I have to give them credit for that. He was a failed reliever with the Pirates. Yeah. And then he came to the Yankees. Yeah. Failed starter. Right. Failed reliever. Luke Weaver was a failed starter. And he turned into one of the better relievers last year. So I think the Yankees have done a good creative job with developing some pitching. But here's the other issue. The biggest issue I have with the Yankees and Clay Holmes as a starter. I want to walk you into a world. It's the middle of November. Rumors are coming out. And a rumor comes out, Joel Sherman, same report about Clay. The Yankees are very interested in moving Clay Holmes to the rotation. They're interested in resounding him and moving him to starting pitching role. Could you imagine the reaction your defense would have had? Yeah. It would have gone nuts. Right. But at the expense of who? That's that's what it would have come down to. I don't even think it matters. Like if they came out with an idea, and by the way, I think this works for the Mets too. If the Mets had a failed reliever and all of it, not even a failed reliever, but a guy that lost the closers role, like of all of a sudden in 1997, the Mets announced Mel Rojas is going to be a starting pitcher. We would have lost our mind. This environment, the Bronx, that is, was never a place for Clay Holmes to be a converted starting pitcher. There was too much baggage. There was going to be too much criticism. And that's why I think any criticism if this works for the Mets at the feet of the Yankees is unfair. Right. It was never real for them. It would have never even been smart. It would have not gotten through the PR test. Right. And so, and they didn't need them. They didn't need them. No, that's the other part. So, I think any Yankee fan, and I understand our young Yankee fan callers point about, well, they're entitled. People will bitch. People can bitch about stuff. It doesn't mean they're right. And in this case, I'm going to defend the New York Yankee fan. If Clay Holmes turns in a saw young, first of all, if that happens, TKI, Lugie Shaw will be rich. We got a big ass bet going out there for that. That is not a knock on the Yankees. Nor should it be considered like this Yankee disaster. The Yankee disaster is one soda winning seven MVPs with the Mets. Right. Right. That's because that because well, I don't even know if it's a Yankee disaster. You know what I mean? Like, that's just a great player and you lost. Right. Let's go to Sam and Trenton. What's up, Sam? What's up, Pete? What's up, Evan? All's good, man. What's up? Speaking about big ass bet. So, February 14th, I got Clay Holmes at plus 20,000. And I just opened up my handy dandy fandell sports book. And he is now down to plus 12,000. Oh my God. Look at you. You're ahead of the game. Wow. This is where we screwed up. I know. Let's do it, fellas. All right. Now, here's the question, Sam, because I don't know if you've got guts or maybe it's the opposite of guts, smarts. If he gets off to a good start and the app that you're using offers you a very lucrative buyout, will you accept the buyout or will you say, let's ride Russell Wilson style? Evan, I'm going to need Tommy John's smash and that accept button and then taking that pay out. That's a good answer. Money isn't everything. It's the only thing. The reality of the Clay Holmes bet. And this is why it's tough for us to do it as one bet, because we're four different people. Let me disagree about this. Right. Like Tommy's the kind of guy that's going to say, let her ride. He's got a one that's already better than Max Freed. I'm the kind of guy that says, wait a second. We bet $100 and they're offering us three grand. Yeah, I'm out. I'll see you guys later. Right. I could use that to bet on something. But I'm more confident. So even though we have not made this bet yet, which is a problem because the numbers keep changing, I think we have to do separate bets so that each of us has an option to opt out or let it ride. So again, this is a bet you can't make in New York, right? So it's got to be in New Jersey. Correct. I got to go through my main man, Vinny bag of donuts and unfortunately Vinny doesn't offer cashouts. First of all, we're not going through Vinny bag of donuts. Why not? Tiki lives in New Jersey. Yes. I'm driving New Jersey at some point in the next few days. I'm just going to bet it when we're in Jersey, but we go through slippery Pete for the ratings. Now you don't want to go through Vinny for the. No, I'm going through the paid sponsor fan tool. Who does offer cashouts? Yes. And in that case, it depends on the size. Where do we go in here? 100 25. Like what do we think? Well, that's the real question. So Clay Holmes is odds to win the National League. Sayon, you have them in front of you right now. We're not in New Jersey. So unfortunately on that, we have to ask Vinny bag of donuts to send us the updated numbers. I'll text them now. You can't even see the numbers when you're in New York. Is that right? Yeah. It's bizarre. You can't see it on the app. I can maybe look on Twitter or something to try to find it. So if we each bet 25 bucks and they're offering you hundreds of dollars, it's tough to just say, nah, let it ride. I know there's a big reward at the end of the window, but it's at the end of the rainbow. It's a sayon vote. Like it's, you could have a great year and not win it because Zach Wheeler exists. Right. So I think you have to cash out. You got to cash out if he's trending his number, I don't know, three or four midway through the season, you got to cash out. That's right. I'm hoping on opening day, he goes sixth scoreless. I'll look for the cash out right away. March 28th, I'll be looking at it. Say, where's that? Let's go to Chris and he's standing over. Hey, Chris. Hey, guys, just happy Friday. Let's go. Johnny's later. So I was, I was lukewarm on Russell Wilton, but after hearing that unlimited thing, I can't get out of my head. No, I want to do it to guy. That's the only one that bothered me, Chris. That's the one that drives me insane. I'm gonna be going to bed singing this to unlimited, but you know, unlimited. I honestly think I think coming to Vito give this a better chance to win. I mean, Russ, you said, you said earlier, Russell, I mean, he really has fallen off. Right. I mean, you know, Aaron Rodgers can get guys the ball. You know, he's going to be able to execute. Russ had an issue executing the whole second half of Pittsburgh season. No, you're right. And look, he doesn't turn the ball over. That's the good thing, Chris. But you just feel like there's certain plays that he should make and he's not going to make, or at least not even should. He used to make that he's not going to make anymore. And is that really what you want? And so I hate this position that giants are in. Every time I think about it, I have a different opinion on what they should do. It's not a great frustrating. Yeah, it's not a great situation, especially because we're now in a position to have to wait for one of these veterans to want us, right? It's not like we really want this guy. Let's go get him. It's this guy also has to make a decision whether he wants us. It's a two way street and that makes it hard. I also, and this is just me speaking, I'm not saying Joe Shane's doing this, I look at this situation differently because of what the owner said. So I'm following the script of, hey, they better win some games. If this was, let's say, a first year administration in which I wasn't, or even not the first year, but it was early on, or I wasn't worried about a guy losing their job, or that not being a factor. I think the way I would have approached it is the way the jets are approaching, which is I would have brought in Justin Fields as my lottery ticket and said, and obviously I'm consistent about that because I wanted him last year for the Giants, but we talked about it. The Bears asking price was high. It didn't drop too late. I get all that, but I was intrigued by using Fields as my lottery ticket and then letting the draft board come to me where I'm investing in someone young who could be the answer, even though it's probably not, and I'm drafting someone, but I'm not stretching. I think, unfortunately, because of the spot the Giants are in, they're drafting a quarterback no matter what, whether they love the guy or not, and they've got to get a veteran in here who gives them a chance to win games because they got to win games. And I think that situation is what makes it worse. It makes it perilous. You could easily make the wrong decision, and not only is your team going to stink, you're going to get fired. Yeah. And you're never going to have had a chance to fully develop, draft and develop a quarterback, which is what I think every head coach and GM, especially in today's NFL, should have the right to do. Here is somebody that would like to rip me, and that's okay. Lorenzo and Kiport did not like my Brett Beatty Point. Lorenzo, why? I thought it was brilliant. Well, I mean, computers get stretched out back and forth a lot where I think I would be, if I was a Yankee fan, which I'm not, I am a lifelong Mets fan and unfortunately a Brooklyn Mets fan back to the Mike Janinsky days. Boy, g-man. Yeah. Yeah. That was a bit, by the way, Lorenzo. I hate to say this because Tiki made yell at me and banned me from the radio station. That was a hell of a tank job last night. That was a big time out against Chicago. That was much needed. The Nets still in the league. I approve it for the Nets. I just assume when they lose and make that, I try to pretend they didn't play the heads so that way. That's really happy. Suck, suck, suck. Yeah. The problem I would have as a Yankee fan, if I was one, was if other teams saw this, why didn't they see it? Or why didn't they consider it? If he do succeed as a closer, it was kind of in the middle. Why not eat that and say, well, let's go down to the miners to stretch them out. Because my answer to that would be it wasn't a need for them. Yeah. Like their bullpen needed clay homes more than their rotation did. Fair. A quick question. Tiki. What's up? Why is it that not one NFL player can use the water bottle themselves? Why do they have to have some 27-year-olds in some that run down and do this? You know, it's a good question. I think the answer to Lorenzo, honestly, is it because there's ice. Those things, it's ice water. And so unless it's freezing outside, it's, there's condensation on it. And so if you pick it up and you have gloves on, it, like you're going to get water on your hands. Now you can easily just wipe it off. I'm assuming that's what it is. That's a great question. You're right. You see that all the time. What a wonderful question. Someone just walks up to you and like puts, like holds the water bottle right in front of your face. Like you want water? No, I'm good. Yeah. Give me some water. I would feel weird that way. Like they're milking me. Like I need the drink of myself. I'm not a baby. I don't remember what I used to do. We're going to have to go back and look at old videos. I need to know was someone like putting water in your mouth? Or are you like, give me the damn bottle. I think I did it myself. I don't, I don't remember. It's funny. More your calls coming up at 888-08-1019, a reaction to Clay Homes being the Mets opening day starter and Yankee fans reaction to the possibility that this may work. Your clothes are too tight and you can't lose weight, even though you've tried so many diets. The reason you're having trouble losing weight could be a liver clogged with fat and that is slowing your metabolism. 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Hour 2: Evan and Tiki talk about the Mets naming Clay Holmes their opening day starter and how Yankees fans should feel about that. They go through 5 corny moments that Russell Wilson has had as well.