Evan & Tiki
03-14-25 Hour 1: Russell Wilson & the veteran QBs
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Do you lock that door and make sure he doesn't leave? Not necessarily. I think like Russell Wilson is interesting only because of what you just said, Evan. He has had a lot of success in his career. And it was points where we thought he was shoeing Hall of Famer. Yes. I mean, he won Super Bowls. He went to another. If it wasn't for, I don't know whose play call it was, handing it off at the goal or trying to throw it at the goal line as opposed to handing it off to March on lance. He'd be a two time Super Bowl champion. And they felt like God, this guy can do anything. He throws these deep like moon balls that somehow always land on target. And eventually it just seemed like all of that petered out. It's like he wanted to become more of a pocket passer and more of a MVP type quarterback candidate. And it derailed his career. And over the last four years, he's left a lot to be desired as a quarterback. But he still is a Super Bowl champion and has a history of winning even in even in even in Pittsburgh last year. Well, that that's what I'm going to bring up to you because maybe I'm being too simplistic here. Maybe I haven't watched enough tape, which I haven't. I'm not going to lie to you. I don't want Denver Bronco and stealer tape. But I see a guy who while he's getting up there in age over the last two seasons, he's gone out and not that his team has been elite, but he won seven games in Denver. Last year, he was six and five after replacing Justin Fields. And he continues something he did early in his career, which doesn't turn the ball over. Right. Russell Wilson is not James Winston. He doesn't turn the ball over. So you look at his stats over the last two years in Denver in Pittsburgh. He's done 32 touchdown passes. He's done 13 interceptions. He's basically 500. Now that's not all him, obviously. He's also quarterbacking 18. But I see that. And while he's not the guy he was, or at least the guy we thought he was a decade ago, that still seems like a major upgrade. And it still seems like something that would stabilize the New York football. And it might. I think the thing you worry about is what happens if he truly falls off the cliff, right? Because it felt it feels like he's hanging on, you know, not like ascending, definitely not ascending, not like stable, just kind of the same player every year. It's like he's hanging on to being good. And at some point, it happens to everybody, by the way, it's whether it's age or injury or whatever. You just you just lose the ability to hang on and you fall and you stink. And I don't want that to happen with the New York Giants, because it's felt it's felt like it's happening the last four years. It hasn't. But it felt like he's hanging on to being a good player. Well, that may be the case. What wouldn't worry me is I think the Giants plan. And it would certainly be my plan. And I think this is what the Giants are doing is they're adding a veteran quarterback and they're going to drive someone, whether it's at three or it's in the second round, they're bringing a young man into the room with Russell Wilson, with Tommy DeVito that they're hoping to develop. In the worst case scenario that you're right, that this hanging before he falls off the cliff, if that occurs, he gets replaced. Yeah, like he's a bridge, but is that but is that solving what the Giants need, right? Is any veteran quarterback out there solving their issue? It's really going to sound their issue is developing. The only one is is er odds because it feels like it at least he's like he's not done done. I feel I don't sometimes I just look at I watch Russell Wilson and I say to myself, this guy is just done. And I guess if he comes to the Giants, you'd find the beauty in it, right? You say, this is what he can provide. Well, his favorite of no other choice. I mean, there are other choices, obviously. No, no, I mean, if they sign him, we yell, we scream, we're mad. And then after five days, you're like, all right, I got to rationalize this crap. Exactly. If you don't like the move, obviously. Yeah, but but at the same time, you do know that he has history of winning. And as corny as he may be at times, he's sending the right message. It's not like he's corny and being a jerk. He's being corny and positive. Okay. So let me ask you this about the corny stuff. And we will address the corny stuff because coming up a little bit later on, and I'll guarantee it here in this two o'clock hour, we've compiled a list of the corny as stuff Russell Wilson has ever done. But does that really, other than us having a laugh and us, you're joking about it and people making fun of it on social media, does the corny stuff hurt a room? And is it more distracting than any of the other quote unquote distractions that say Aaron Rodgers only only if he's bad? And he hasn't been bad. Right. It's only it only becomes an issue if he's bad quarterback. Right. And then that making fun of him becomes like mocking. Sure. And making fun of and mocking are two different things. And so that's the last thing you want because it just creates a divide. So that's like, I'm trying to think if I've ever had this kind of player in my locker. Yeah. Have you had a cringe teammate? I don't think so, because you usually don't they're usually not good. So they don't last. Right. Right. So they're just kind of gone and I don't know. They don't they don't belong. So they don't last. But Russ is he's lasted. I also think and there's something to that, by the way. Absolutely. And this is the way I look at Russell Wilson and the way I look at Aaron Rodgers. So I think most of us would agree if you're looking for that short term success while you're developing a young quarterback, those two guys give you a much better chance than any of the other veterans out there. No doubt. Like the Giants met with Joe Flacko yesterday. Give me a freaking break. I've seen Joe Flacko. We've all seen Joe Flacko. Joe Flacko is not helping you win games in the short term the way a Russell Wilson can and the way Aaron Rodgers can. I believe that Aaron Rodgers is much as you tell him, Hey, you're coming here. We want to win. But let's see where the season goes. Yep. We are drafting someone or we're likely to draft somebody we may replace you. I think Aaron Rodgers is going to have a harder time facing that reality than Russell Wilson. And the reason I think that is because Russell Wilson is a journeyman now. Yeah. Like he was in Denver. It didn't work. They benched him while they still sort of had a chance. Yep. For salary cap and injury related reasons. He goes to Pittsburgh where at first we thought they weren't playing him right away. Because well, let me see if we got more out of Justin Fierce and then they finally go to Russell Wilson. And now Ross is in Cleveland. He's going to meet with the Giants today. It feels like he's actually at a different part of his career than Rodgers is in which benching him is actually going to be easier than benching Aaron off because Aaron we still don't know like how he's perceived. Like we know that he had injury filled seasons over the last couple of years. But we don't know like what an organization thinks about him. I think we know what an organization thinks about Russell Wilson. Well, because because multiple of them have gotten rid of him. Multiple teams have gotten rid of him. And also, let's think about the current marketplace for Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. In the case of Aaron Rodgers, the Steelers are clearly interested. The Giants are clearly interested. And as reported by numerous people, including Albert Breer and lately Diana Rucini, the Vikings are considering it. And Rodgers would welcome going to Minnesota. Yes. So think about the teams that are interested in Aaron Rodgers, a team from the playoffs last year in the Pittsburgh Steelers with one of the great coaches in the sport who just made a trade from DK Mattcalf. Yep. They're trying to win. They're trying to win. The Steelers are trying to win. You see it in what they've done in there in the off season. And they were a playoff team last year. Team number two, interested in Aaron Rodgers, potentially the Minnesota Vikings, a team that won a hell of a lot of games last year until it came crashing down at the end with Sam Darnell. Again, another team Toronto win. And then you got the Giants. The Cleveland Browns are the only linked team right now to Russell Wilson. Now, the Steelers may be treating them as a backup plan in case they fail on Rodgers. Yes. So the marketplace is telling you how they view Ross versus Aaron Rodgers, which would tell me, because again, my view is, and I think most trans fans agree with this, you're drafting a young quarterback. This is the veteran who's going to hold the fort down, maybe quarterback the entire year. If you guys have success, can't rule it out, but you are drafting a young quarterback who may replace. Wilson is more at the point in his career in which he's replaceable. Yeah, then Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, it's almost an easier transition, if it just doesn't feel right. Now, if he's winning games, you just roll with them. You let the young kids sit. It is what it is. Whoever that young player is, you're not worried about them, right? Because you have time. And I think all of these kids coming out this year, whether it's the top of them of the quarterback class or the middle or even the bot, they all need, they all need work, right? They all will benefit from, from, from sitting and learning. Now, if they happen to surprise the hell out of you and OTAs and mini camp and in training camp, and they end up starting over, whoever veteran you signed. Fine. That's a great thing. And you know what's funny? Think about Russell Wilson's really, really, really, really beginning of his career. Yes, he knows all about that. Exactly that. Because the Seattle Seahawks signed a veteran free-aging quarterback, Matt Flynn. Matt Flynn, who was coming off for like 30 seconds of success. Yeah, he had like half a game. And Seattle was like, we'll give you a lot of money. And Russell Wilson was drafted, not the first round, and was so impressive in camp that he took the job. So I think Russell Wilson eyes wide open, especially at this point of his career, has to understand that situation could happen with the Giants. The best case scenario for the Giants is that they bring in a veteran, whether it's Wilson or Rogers, they draft a young quarterback, and they win games. And the vision that some of the optimistic giant fans have, I heard Peter Schrager say this the other day, and he's not a giant fan. He's just an analyst. He said, hey, I think the Giants have a really talented roster. I think they're a quarterback away. Now, I don't share that view. Clearly you don't base on that reaction. I think there's depth issues. I think they're each right though. It's a talented roster. You look at some of the positions, you know, like, all right, these two kids, they drafted in the secondary last year, they're pretty damn good, right? They're defensive front. It's pretty damn good, right, with Dexter Lawrence and Rakeem and all those other guys, linebacker, Michael McFadden, it's pretty good, right? Offensive. They got one of the best wide receivers in football. They got a good running back who they kind of stole late in the draft. Offensive line, they have an all pro at one of their, you know, positions, but it's just, it's the depth. It's like the glue in between the big pieces. That's not there yet. Well, that matters because we saw what happened last year when Andrew Thomas went down in the offensive line crumble. But I think the best case scenario is that view is correct. And the Giants add a veteran quarterback. He doesn't play like an MVP. People plays well enough. And the Giants win eight or nine games. And we're sitting here in January, maybe talking about a playoff game. We're talking about what was a fun, successful season. And then you're thinking to yourself, Oh, we got that young kid waiting. Yeah, that's your door Sanders. That Jackson dart, he hasn't played at all. But man, I'm so ready. Gables proving a coach, Shane's proven he can find some talent. And that is the best case scenario. And by the way, you're saying the body of the veteran, you're saying a Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. Thank you. You gave us a quality year. Right. We appreciate it. See you later. Now the new era begins. The current one or the current one or situation. I would say better than current one or because you actually complete the year with a veteran. And right. Right. Right. Right. No, I mean, no, you're absolutely right. But the worst case is that it's a current one or situation. You know what I mean? Where you're just the problem is we were good. But you know what I mean? No, the worst case is whoever the veteran is. Here's honestly the worst case. I'll lay out the worst case. That veteran gets hurt immediately. That's the worst case. Yeah. And then you have to play. And then either you're playing a young guy who's not ready or you're playing a Tommy DeVito or Joe Flacco type. And you're headed to just a bunch of losses. Yeah. Where the coach is probably gone. The GM is probably gone. And the young guy is not being developed. Right. There's no. That's the worst case. No advancement. Right. Just it's just it's a law season. Right. And if that happens, everybody loses their job. You're right about that. You need to do two things at the same time. Win a few games and develop a future quarterback. Right. Can you do that with that kid sitting and watching a veteran like Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson? I think you can. Yeah. I think it's necessary. Again, we might get lucky because whoever the young quarterback is, he could turn out to be like CJ. I'm not saying you got to draft the guy in the top three. And that's the only way he becomes CJ. You can draft a kid in the second round and just get lucky. Right. And hope that you develop in the right way. You put him in the right positions where it's not complicated for him. It feels comfortable and easy for him. But the likelihood of that happening is it's rare. We don't see it very often. Yeah. I mean, you can go back half a decade and look at all these first round quarterbacks, especially those guys that started right away. I don't don't pan out, man. Yeah. And so it's just a handful. 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They did. And I think we knew it at the time, but we realized no harm, no foul. Right. Because nothing was changing while you were being used. And he wasn't actually available. Right. Right. You had to trade for him to get him. Yeah. Like he's sitting on the free market and then your decision to offer him whatever you're going to offer him is going to influence him. Right. That's not what was happening. He was just trying to get more money from the Rams. Right. So in the case of Aaron Rodgers, if you determine, if you come to the conclusion, I'm coming towards and a lot of people coming towards that, you know what? This Rodgers thing, he's using you. I'd like them on the team, but I just don't see it happening. Then maybe today, while you're meeting with Russell Wilson, you just get the deal done with him. Because if you let Russ leave and he signs elsewhere, there is a huge drop off when it comes to the veteran quarterback that you could bring in. Huge drop off. Right. So that's the decision you got to make if you're the Giants and if you're a Giants fan, do you continue to play the game with Rodgers and wait? Because this way can take a while and there's no guarantee Russell Wilson's just going to sit around and wait for you. So do you wait or do you say screw it? Russell Wilson is a Super Bowl winning quarterback as corning as he may be. Russell Wilson did have a somewhat okay season last year and won some games more than the Giants did last year. Let's just get this deal done. Because I also think if the Giants offered Russell Wilson a contract today, I think he signs it. Yeah. But I don't I don't know if they should. That's that's because you want Rodgers because you don't want Russ. A little bit of both. A little bit of both. Like is it Joe Shane and Brian Dave all like selling themselves to Russell Wilson? Didn't they do that last year? They met with him last year. Met with them last year. They probably have a familiarity with them already. So I think it's just gauge interest and go over plan. Right. Think about talk about offensive schemes maybe. I don't know. I think it's I we never had to do this back in the day. It wasn't like you'd traveled in free agency and met with teams. You just your agent did all of that. Right. And it was just it was more of a of a financial conversation as opposed to a well, how do we fit right? Well, do we work well together? There was something interesting actually Paul Goldschmidt said earlier this week when we had him on talking about his free agency and he was honest. He's like, yeah, it was a one year deal. It was just my agent talking to them. Like it was like just an offer. Yeah. There's no recruitment, I guess, on these short term deals for certain players. But when you're trying to sign Juan Soto, it's different, right? Yeah. Of course. Me. Especially because you're you're marrying him for a decade and a half. Right. And so it's like this better work personality wise. Like we better be on the same page emotionally and and and conceptually. Otherwise, this is going to be an ugly 15 years. Yeah. The way I envisioned a meeting last year with Russell Wilson was the giant saying, here's a situation, right? Daniel Jones is here. There'll be a competition you will have a even shot to win it or whatever their actual plan was and just let them know the deal because you don't want a guy in here who's blindsided by the situation. Yeah. But I don't think that was the case. I don't he wasn't you're going to get a chance to win the job. I think last year, they told him you're the backup. You're the backup. Daniel Jones is playing. And that's why he said, no, thanks. That's why I said exactly. Now, this year where I can compete for the starting job. Now, this year, you assume they are telling him and they should be telling him, Hey, Russ, you have a great chance to start, but we are going to draft a young quarterback and see what happens. Yeah. And it's it's going to be an open competition, but we're not pre determining who our starter is a year ago, they were pre determining who their starter. Do you take Russ out to dinner, or do you just walk around the facility with him? How do you handle that? I don't know. What would you want? If you were at that point, if I was Russ, yeah, but you want lunch? It depends on how well I know. Dave's, because if if I don't know him, I want to get the no. So you need the lunch. I lunch or something. I'd better pay for it. Of course I pay. I know Russ has made a lot of money that's probably just have it right at the facility. Yeah, that's right. That would be good enough. They have good chefs there. I'm sure the chefs are wonderful, but it doesn't feel special. Yeah, but why do you need to go out to lunch? Because you're Russell Wilson. You want those pictures taken? It's their second date has pictures out there. You're like, I want pictures out there. It's their second date. So you figure first date is putt putt ice cream. Yes. Now the second date steak dinner, I'm going to press them. How often do you have a date that's separated by a full year? Yeah, that's true. That's the awkward one. How much have you changed in a year? Do I still want you? Let's get to some of your calls. Rick is in Long Valley. How are you, Rick? Good. How are you guys? Good. First off, I just want to say, Hiki, I'm a huge fan, also a big fan of you, Evan. Hiki, I read your book, "Kick Off," and I was really young, and I wore 21 because of you. Oh, nice. You're making me go. Thank you for that. Appreciate you, Rick. I just can't. But I just have a quick point about the Giants and what I would do if I were the GM. I really like Joe Flacco as a person and as a leader. I wouldn't bring him in to start the whole season. I'd bring him in to start maybe four or five games. I love Cam Ward as a prospect. I'd do whatever I can to get Cam Ward. Bring in Joe Flacco to mentor, maybe show him the ropes the first few games, and then just have Joe Flacco with him in the film room, the practice field, and just with him the whole time on the sideline, everything. He did it with Lamar, so I feel like it would just be... I know it's a little different than what you guys are thinking, but... The challenge with Joe is I think Joe thinks he still can play or be a starter in this league. I know he can still play because you saw in some of the games, but I think he still wants to be the starter. I'm not saying he did that with Lamar. It was more Lamar kind of became the better option for that. Yeah, I mean, he was already there. He was their Eli Manning when you think about it. Yeah, exactly. He just kind of became the... You're a placeholder, and everybody knew it. Rick's idea is not a bad one. Here's why I haven't suggested it. Here's why a lot of people haven't suggested it because we are under the impression based on the words of the owner when the season ended that they got to win some games. And so you look at this giant season, at least I do, as a juggle, and that juggle is between winning games competing to a degree in the NFC, while also developing a young quarterback. Let's be honest about Joe Flacco, you weren't winning a damn thing. So you're not juggling anything. Joe Flacco is just your typical veteran who's going to hold a fort down for a few weeks until that young player is ready, but the odds are high that you're not winning enough games, and the owner made it pretty clear when the season ended, I want to see some victories. So if this was a first year regime, I would probably say, "Shit makes a lot of sense." It's so hard to think about what's going to work best for the Giants, with this veteran. I mean, the rookie it is who it is. It doesn't matter, whoever you're able to get. I think, as Rick just said, they're going to do everything they can to try to get Canward. They're going to try to go to one, but Tennessee's got to dance with them. If that doesn't happen, they'll sit there at three. If both quarterbacks are gone, they'll take best available, take someone else later in the round. But for this veteran quarterback position, it's really hard to know which one is going to be best, because Russ wants to play, wants to be a starter. Russ is better than Joe Flacco, though. Definitely. Joe Flacco also wants to play and be a starter, and Rogers wants to try to get a team to the postseason and see how he can enhance his legacy. So none of these guys fit the bill of what we're talking about. They're going to do with the young quarterbacks. But don't you think they'll do it via just because they're around? Right, because they don't have any other choice. Think back to Kurt Warner. You tell me, I don't know if you ever had this discussion when he was there, but I'm sure he thought to himself, and he turned out to be right, because he got to the Super Bowl a few years later, I could still play on the starter. He did. I don't think anyone views himself as a bridge. But I think he absolutely understood the assignment when he came to the Giants. That is Eli. We need to get Eli Manning up to snuff. So you're going to help us do that. You're going to play, but eventually we're handing the rock literally to Eli. And that's what that's exactly what happened, even though we had a winning record at that time. It wasn't about Kurt getting us to the postseason and Kurt went for us. It was Kurt developed Eli. And so it's hard to tell that some of these older veterans to do that, because they still think they can play. Right. And so they don't want to do it. Yeah, well, at this point in their careers, I don't have choices. Like Aaron Rogers may have the choices. I don't think Russell Wilson does. No, I think you're right. That's because he's been jettisoned each of the last of the years. Let's go to Jim and Saratoga Springs. What's up, Jim? How you guys doing? What's up, man? Thank you. Just my opinion on personally, I don't want anything to do with Aaron Rogers. I think he's a diva who distracts from the team. He's all about himself. I like Russell Wilson. He's a competitor. He's a winner. Yeah. I think he'll perform. I'm listening to you guys. Kind of funny, because I had caught something on rails and they had Eli Manning and his two super ball runs in the playoffs. And it was good to see giant football with that offense and that defense. We got to get back. And I think Shane did a pretty good job at some of the free agents signing to just that. And I hope he's because he kind of got his buck tick last year. His arrogance kind of got to him. So hopefully he makes some better decisions this year. Right? No, I think that's, no, I appreciate you, Jim. And you're right. I mean, I think Joe Shane's draft was really good. It's, it's, it was, and free agency was actually pretty good. It was injuries and not having enough depth. They didn't end up coming back the whole time. I don't have realized about GMs and it's complicated. So you're right. Like, no matter what you say about Joe Shane, you look at last year's draft and you say that was a good draft. Yeah. But I unfortunately did that a lot with Joe Douglas where I'd say, hey, they had a good draft or they had a generational draft or, hey, I like this free agent signing qualifying at all. Well, all the individual moves when you added it up were like, wow, that was a pretty good general manager. But at the end of the day, you got to win games. Right. And so what I even to this day with Joe Douglas being gone, when you ask me like, what kind of GM was Joe Douglas? It's not fair to say, oh, he sucked. He was John Inza because he wasn't. No, you look at the individual moves and they were good. So I'd bring this back to Shane. Joe Shane has made a lot of good individual moves. But at the end of the day, in this business, you have to win games. Right. They didn't win enough games last year. They have to win games this year. If it doesn't happen, even if we're talking about this draft being a good draft, it's not going to be enough to save him just like it ultimately wasn't enough to save Joe Douglas. And ultimately what did in Joe Douglas was the quarterback. Yeah. And that's the thing that always comes down to that. And so far, Joe Shane hasn't even taken a shot at a quarterback because the only one has really been Daniel Jones. Yeah. Yeah. And so you end up, you end up having your career. In this case, Joe Shane defined by a guy you didn't draft. Right. And I don't even, I mean, I guess they wanted them because he was good and they ultimately signed them. But I think that signing was influenced by Daniel Jones's history here and with the mirrors. And so it just, it would suck for him to get fired and never have a chance to have drafted his own guy. Well, think about that position. But think about what we're laying out here, signing a veteran quarterback, potentially drafting a young quarterback. Right. But if they don't win enough games, they may be gone before we ever know if the young quarterback is the right guy or not. Yeah, I know. And that's the crazy thing about this. Let's go to Evan in a story. What's up, Evan? Hey, what's going on, guys? Evan, I got to happen. Listen to those seven big fan, man. Appreciate it, man. Thank you. And Jake. Yeah. Before I say what I think about the quarterback, I want to say I was one of those giant fan haters for a long time that never really heard your side of the story about your retirement and everything like that. And you really got to hear that from you. I appreciate you, dude. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of guys. I tell you, there's a lot of fans like that that didn't hear your side and probably were misinformed about things. And I'm glad I'm glad they're. Appreciate it, dude. Yeah. So listen, here's the guy's guy by entire life. We've been just been watching such that we are hard for placement division. We just been watching just game, going to play scared, the end of your life's career. Joe Flacko come in with very low salary credit to other options. And dude, just let it sway, reckless abandon. Just go for it. I would, we are so start for fun. Well, Evan, let me interrupt you and give you a scenario because Joe Flacko, it's crazy as it sounds, was a lot like James Winston last year. He threw a lot of interceptions in the short amount of time he filled in for Anthony Richardson. So wouldn't you rather have James Winston who has a little bit more upside? I was going to say I'm serious. I mean, here's question. Yeah. You know what? You're not fun. Wow. Is that easy of a sound? Well, I mean, Joe Flacko is a freaking statue, right? If your offensive line is in stellar, right? He's going to get killed back there. And that's kind of what happened last year with, with Indy and, you know, watching tape on him, it was like he was, he was stuck. And if he got off his first read, he wasn't moving. So he just, he would just let the ball go to avoid getting hit. Right. And you know what I mean? And he put the ball in harm's way. I think it was a couple of three plus interception games that he had when he was filling in for Anthony Richardson. And so if he's going to, if you're going to have a quarterback is going to do that, don't you want the upside of a guy possibly throwing 400 yards? Isn't I want to know? Oh, serious. So James Winston. I get it. So if you're going to say, give me Joe Flacko, you might as well say, give me James Winston. What I'm curious about, and I can't answer this because I am not a giant season ticket holder nor am I a customer. But if they signed Aaron Rodgers, James Winston, Russell Wilson, Joe Flacko, or any of those guys to the giant fan out there, making you go out and buy a ticket. I'm curious. Maybe Aaron Rodgers. I mean, he is Aaron Rodgers. He's a Hall of Famer. But for all the people that call in about Winston and I get it. He's got a great personality. He can be exciting. He'll take shots down the field. He'll turn the ball over on the side. I think buying a ticket to see him. Yeah, I think I would. Because he it's frustrating as hell. But it is it is really entertaining. I don't know if you I don't know how many of those games you watched last year. Not a lot, but I end up watching some of them. Yeah, it's just it's just wild, dude. Right. The throws are just don't do that. Oh, wow. I said 70 yard play. Oh, man. What do you do? Interception picks. 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