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I'm going to go deeper into the narrative to try and separate facts from fiction as part of our discussions around my new series, Saturn's Bankers, where we're looking back at the history and evolution of banking through the lens of centralized banking, oligarchism, occultism and usury. So in this show we actually look specifically at bricks because Paul did a series of three articles which were brilliant, all around bricks and he uncovered some very interesting things which we discussed in tonight's show. Also, just to let everyone know, we will be having back on the show, Mr. Mads Palsvig. The first interview was very popular, it was titled Confessions of an Ex Investment Banker. It's one of the most popular of the year, so I invited Mads back on the show and I'm going to be putting some members questions to Mads. So if you remember and there's anything you'd like to ask Mads, please let me know on the forum in the members section or in the comment section to the previous interview with Mads before the 20th of July. So that's it for the introduction, everyone. Members, please head over to paralomite.com to sign in and listen to the full episode. If you're not a member yet, please consider joining us. Listen to this episode and other episodes. In closing, I hope you're all well healthy and happy to take care of yourselves and I'll see you all in the next one. [Music] Hi everybody, welcome to the paralomite podcast. Today we are joined by returning guest, author and host of Winter Oak, Paul Kudinek to discuss oligarchy geopolitics and in particular, bricks. And there's a narrative, Paul, that these countries, Brazil, India, China and Russia, that they're coming together and they're essentially an anti hegemony alliance and they're going to take down the banksters and reform the system and we're going to have utopia in the future. Now, I think we'll both agree that's not what is happening. However, there's a lot of gray areas too and you've done a lot of work on this one. So I'd really love to have this conversation, Paul, and we'll see where it goes and hopefully listeners will come away with some new perspectives. But before we get started, Paul, thank you so much for joining us again and how are things going today, my friend. Oh, things are fine, thanks Mike. Summer is finally here after a few thoughts over the last couple of months. So, yeah. Yeah, same year, Paul. It's been an interesting spring and somehow we get the regular downpours, actually, we keep getting here. I don't know what it's like in France, but we get this torrential rain and the weather's gone crazy in Poland. Yeah, it's been a bit like that too. A lot more rain than we normally do. I've been there 10 years now and I've never known a spring and early summer quite like it. But I suppose that's the way, that's the way that nature is. For all the time, there have been these changes in the climate on a year-to-year basis, harvest failures and so on. We know from the history book. So I don't think it's anything to be particularly worried about. No, well, whichever way it goes, Paul, there will spin it as climate change. We do know that. We both agree that whether it's normal weather or abnormal weather is always going to be indicative of their agenda. But let's go on to the topic today, Paul. We're going to be exploring West Festies, bricks and these narratives that we've got. So to begin with, Paul, maybe you could do the honours and give listeners a rundown as to what the official narrative is on bricks are. Initial thoughts as to what they were trying to tell you about bricks. Well, it's been some time now that they started talking about this idea that we were seeing the end of the reign of the American Empire, basically, and the dollar, and that these independent countries outside of the Western orbit were coming together in an alliance to challenge the existing order, which seemed to me when I first heard about it, obviously to be a good thing because I'm not a great fan of American imperialism or NATO and the Western financial system. So we're not having looked at it in any detail. I thought, oh, that's interesting. It's an interesting historical development. Perhaps we're going to see some long, long-awaited change on the global scene. That's been there, their version of it. These countries apparently have got very little in common. I mean, in China and Brazil, and I suppose they've got the Pacific in common, and Russia, China and Russia are not always traditionally allies, even when we were both communist. It wasn't, you know, they were not necessarily that drugs, I don't think. And India, which doesn't seem to fit into the picture of Tilbing, it's still part of the common world, of course. It's actually South Africa. So it was a strange thing about it, actually. It's rather a strange group of countries to be thrown together in the alliance, which maybe that should itself have run some alarm bells for me early on, for which it took me a while to cotton on that it wasn't all that it appears to be. Perhaps you want to say, what was your take on it when you first came across it then? You know, I came across it through the financial realm first when they was talking about de-dollarizing and going back to some kind of gold-backed system. And it all appealed to me too, because, you know, those are real things that are happening. Countries are getting rid of US treasuries. We are seeing a debt implosion in the current system, and at some point it has to be reset somehow. So it kind of aligns with real-world events. However, like you, when you look at the countries involved, it's like, what do India and China have in common? You know, where's the strategic allegiances that I know they've got a border wall that's happening. These guys that stand the top of mountain tops in this disputed territory, it's Indian at present, but China says it's theirs. And they have these regular scale machines where they throw rocks at each other. So, you know, that doesn't strike me as a great alliance where you've got soldiers throwing rocks at each other on top of mountains. And then there's loads of other anomalies too. I mean, Russia's a very interesting country to me. It always has been. And I've been doing my best to make sense of their history over the past few years. What happened with the Romanov family? Who was really behind the Russian Revolution? And how did that actually translate into Russia today? So recently I did an episode on the transition from the end of Constantinople to where all of these noble families pushed their way into Russia. And I'm like, well, what legacy still exists of that? Is there a genuine separate train of thought? Because we know between the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church, there was a definite bifurcation and a split. And that's continued and actually widened over the years. So is there still a kernel of something unique in Russia that does present something different? But playing that out in the BRICS narrative adds a whole layer of complexity to it because BRICS is certainly an arbitrary narrative. It was put together by a man named Jim O'Neill, who was a Morgan Stanley banker. And the reason he put it together was to try and sell securities. So even the acronym came from bankers. So I guess for my perspective, it's been a long journey. And I'm still not 100% entirely sure of the individual components of it. And if they offer certain differences that I'm hoping tonight, we'll get closer to that realization as to what is true and what isn't. But in terms of the actual grouping, I think it's all marketing, Paul. Yes, because I wrote about the BRICS declaration that they came up with last year, 2023. And they're actually talking. They use the phrase "global governance" in the list of their aims. Global governance. Well, that's a red flag right there. Along with sustainable development, about 20, 20 times and innovation. And although the new industrial revolution or something like that, it's all the same language as well. So all the same marketing language, you're right. It is a sort of glossy marketing language that they use. It's like all of when you look at all these sites, all these different organizations from BRICS to the commonwealth and the WF and the different parts of the United Nations. It's as if you're reading a glossy advertising brochure that has been produced by the same publishing company. You know, probably I'm pasting the same wording from one organization's presentation to another. It's a big multinational company, which has lots of different names, but it just sort of saves on the expense of rewriting its pitch every time and just sort of just happens and slightly orders the brand each time. But you can see at a glance that it comes out of the same stable. And that's how I see BRICS is very clearly part of the same stable. Yeah, I agree with that. And I think what we have to be careful of as well with BRICS is understanding that actually there is a genuine change that's happening in the world, power is shifting from west to east. And I think the capital base of some of these oligacts is certainly moving there, which could go some way into justifying why they created BRICS. You take a 10,000 foot view, BRICS is just one small component of this power transition where they're trying to shift things from the west to the east and maybe develop some of these countries. So that in 20 years, 30 years, you've got a one-world system because those countries will now be developed in terms of their communication systems and their infrastructure. I mean, a lot of these countries that are going to be a part of BRICS, or at least in that sphere of influence, they've got about 20 years' worth of development to rapidly undergo if you want to have some kind of smart city system there. So it makes sense to me from an economic perspective why you would want to shift that capital base towards those nations. And maybe BRICS is just part of a much bigger trend. I mean, if we go back to the 1970s before I was even born, China was being essentially given all of the US's intellectual property and they started to make things much cheaper and all of the money started to go to the east. And that's been happening on going. So it's very hard to say that there's a real genuine conflict between the nation US and the nation China when the US essentially allowed China to rise and give it all of its industrial base. I mean, you wouldn't do it. Paul, if I was your enemy, I wouldn't be giving you as much business as possible and destroying my own competitive advantage. I'd be saying, "No, I'm going to black ball, Paul, because otherwise it's going to overtake me." So even on that sense, it doesn't make sense what they're telling us. No, it doesn't make sense in terms of a globalised world. We know we live in a mobilisation. We've been to people who've been talking about that for ages now. And we know that. It's a reality. So to then suggest that there are some parts of the world that are not part of this globalisation is obviously misleading. And I think you're right that it's a switch. They're switching from one economic base to another in the same way as them. Well, it's a very interesting book by a nice Belgian who's a Dutch writer who traces the whole history of what he calls the glafia, the global mafia. And, you know, like you and I, you can see that the British Empire, between the American Empire, I mean, you know, transferred its base over to Wall Street. Then he says, "Before that, it came over from this same empire, I came over from Amsterdam." There's obviously the Dutch were there in there at the beginning of global imperialism, economic imperialism. And before that, it came from Venice, which is, which with that was, you know, going back to the sort of Mediterranean-based and sea ocean-based imperialism. So to change the economic base for this empire in its ever-evolving form, it's not unheard of. In fact, it's a sort of seems to be a natural process, you know, that it does that from time to time every year, every year, every year, every century or something, I don't know, not exactly. But, you know, it's because it is because it is not tied to only one place. So it can, it can assess the potential available, such as it would be essential for dominating the Atlantic from somewhere like England, the Port of London, to also extending that to the Pacific with the United States. And now, you know, it's sort of a Eurasian Silk Road, that seems to be attracting their attention. So I think that's all tied in with that. Yeah, I think it is too. I think this New Silk Road and the Belt and Road Initiative, what you're seeing take place is a lot of genuine antagonism and skirmishes between different factions of power. And this is something that I felt would be a really great conversation to have as part of this one is to actually give our takes on how we understand power in general, because I just think the system is so big and it's so vast that there is no way that you can have just one power base where everyone agrees. That's kind of impossible. So I guess what I'm getting at is there must be lots and lots of different power structures within this from the political structures, which are probably quite low down on that totem pole of power, to the new money like the Elon Musk and the Donald Trump's who are essentially kind of agents of a much bigger system, to the banking families, to the families we don't even know about. And then you've got military and all these are the different power structures that exist. And I guess to control the system that big, you have to have, or there is going to naturally be conflict within the system. And you're just trying to ride the waves of that and control it and shape it as you can. But I don't think you can control all parts. And maybe that would be the reason why we do see some genuine antagonism and maybe not everything adds up. Like when we look at certain actions, for example, that Vladimir Putin does, is Vladimir Putin, the exact same with the exact same desires and interests and hopes for the future as, say, Klaus Wahlbaw, as, I mean, we could use another leader like Justin Trudeau. No, they're clearly different people and I'm sure they have very different outlooks on the future. And so within their sphere of influence, they're going to try and orient it themselves to a certain direction. I don't know if that resonates with you at all, Paul, that you do see gray areas, or do you actually think, no, I genuinely think all of the ones at the top are actors when part of a big theater. I think that they could both could be true, both these scenarios. I think they probably are actors. We have play agents, agents of one, the Apple Financial Empire. But at the same time, as they've got to take into account their own country. That they're running, you know, like Putin. I mean, not everybody in the Russian, in the Russian ruling classes, or the governmental business classes is going to be on board with the same agenda as him necessarily. They have got their specific interests. And he's got a certain public that he's got to deal with. Lots of pressures. And we get him from all different directions, one imagines. So he's the way he governs Russia. Isn't it going to look like the same way that Trudeau governs Canada or Macron governs France. Each state has its own stakes. There's different things at stake inside each country, different interests within that state that have got to be pleated, or, you know, pushed to one side, or compromises that have to be made in order to keep on to power. I think there probably is a lot of chaos beneath this overall structure, which is why you get, like sometimes you get this sense of panic that they think they're going to lose control. You know, when they talk about populism a lot of different kinds. People are going off message over there, quick stop, you know, this is escaping us. We're not in charge anymore. So it must be a constant sort of a firefighting battle to try and keep humanity in line. Because, yeah, right, human beings and groups of human beings are extremely unpredictable, and they have all these internal, they have all these personal flaws between themselves, even when they're officially working for the same team. So, yeah, it must be much more complicated than perhaps, you know, you might get the impression when I talk about a global system. I'm not really suggesting that it is all just like a sort of, you know, a military command and everybody knows exactly what they're doing all the time and everything is perfectly calculated and worked out in advance because that wouldn't be reality. So it's a bit of each other. Yeah, I think so too. I mean, I try and imagine it myself and, like your friend who wrote the article on the Glafia, like I've done a lot of studying to the origins of the current system in Venice and what kind of led up to Venice and how they then dispersed across Europe and bred themselves into the royal families and took over essentially the royal families, getting them all into debt and artificially creating wars, 100-year wars here or 50-year war there, just to really bankrupt these nations and make them permanently indebted to the same group of families, which I would estimate are the same families that run the current system. However, I also would imagine that within those families, when you've got a lot of greedy, selfish and evil people, they're probably hyper paranoid and they can't stand each other and they've got no love in their hearts and therefore, even the people that are a part of their clique and group, they're probably surveilling constantly and trying to find out if they're trying to get one up and one another. So I cannot imagine just how awful their lives must be. And I can't imagine that they do trust each other, Paul, and I think there probably is a lot of internal conflict, and I do err towards the side that there maybe is a genuine global conflict that is taking place, but it's not happening through breaks, it's not happening through east versus west, it's happening at a tier above that in terms of these families are seeing that the trajectory of history is shifting, and now they're all scrambling to try and get the biggest piece of the next cake that's coming down the pipeline. And some people will maybe get kicked out of the group, some people might enter it, I don't know, but I think there is a genuine battle. And I think that's actually quite hopeful because it means that there is a good chance that these people will just destroy one another. They are so narcissistic and greedy that at some point they will just destroy one another, and there'll be people like ourselves and the people who figure it out before we get to that point and start maybe creating a new society in our own little world, but maybe then get to pick up the pieces because the current system just implodes on itself. Yes, and I think another falls very out. I hope, perhaps, if that's not a bad word, I don't think it's a... You shouldn't have just rely on hope. But sometimes you have to console yourself with the fact that they end up all right in the end. That there is a sheer lack of competence. Obviously to people who put together this global empire must have been really competent to have managed to do so, but that doesn't mean that the people running it now have equal competence. They seem to make a lot of mistakes. I mean, they must be making a lot of mistakes. If somebody like me can see what they're doing in broad terms, without any inside knowledge, they must be leaving a lot of gaps in their plastering over the evidence, to be honest. So that gives me some hope that, in fact, they're just not capable of keeping this thing on the rails, actually, in the long term. Yeah, I once got told something. I don't know if it's true or not, but a guy made a post on Reddit and he said, "I actually work inside intelligence." And there is a department that's now devoted to try and discredit people who make those Pepe the Frog memes. We literally cannot stop you guys making these memes and exposing all of these lies with this hilarity. And it's really got our go up in the department. And they genuinely are paying people to try and make Pepe the Frog appear homosexual or to appear lame, so people stop using it as a meme. And I just thought, "That's probably how pathetic these people are." Like, even memes terrify them. Like, "Oh my God, the memes are making fun of us again and it's getting spread on Twitter." And I just think that the system has probably got so big and unwieldy. That, yeah, I can imagine that at some point, they just implode. And going back to what you said about Venice, there was a time when the Venetian oligarchy actually nearly got toppled. There was the War of the League of Cambrai, where all of the European nations got together. They said, "We just need to get rid of these people." Like, we're all indebted to them. And maybe it's easier if we just kill them and get rid of them, so they created an alliance. And it was only at the last minute where they managed to get out of that because they're essentially the masters of all of the West. Things like deception, bribery, manipulation, human trafficking, slavery. And what they did in the very last minute was manage to bribe the right people at the Vatican and they switched side. And the purple states went on to the Venetian side. I think that's, again, hopeful in that they have nearly been toppled before. And maybe the bigger the system got for them, the less likely it is to succeed. You know, there's always, like, a toing and throwing in life where you have seasons. As the pendulum swings so far in one direction, inevitably, that inertia will have to come back the other way. And maybe we're going to live through that, or maybe we're going to actually at least see the early innings of that. But let's move on to your articles, Paul, because even if you imagine World War II from our vantage point right now, we can sit back and say, "Well, yeah, we can see while the strings led to it led to the same banking families. They controlled both sides of the war. They financed both sides." And yet, if you lived through it, you still lived through World War II. You still lived through rail events. You still had the risk to your life. So even if some of these events that we're living through now are artificial, we're just lucky enough to see through it a little bit more. But they're still going to happen. There's still going to be wars and things that happen because of these fake narratives. So I think there's still a lot of merit in discussing them, Paul. And going to your articles, you discussed over three articles how, essentially, when you look back into the history of bricks, you see all of the same familiar faces. So maybe we could start off there. What do you find out when you looked at these countries? Let's maybe go with Brazil. You spoke a lot about how, going back even 150 years, the Rothschilds were heavily invested in Brazil. This is the point, really, that it's not something new, because you were-- if you thought it was just something that happened in the last 50 years or since the Second World War, you think, well, how, how could they have seized control of a country like that? Well, yeah, we went back to the 19th century throughout the 19th century through mining and railways. The railways were a big thing. A big part of the Rothschild Empire, actually, which we now tend to think of them as bankers. I think most people just think of finance. And for that reason, sometimes they say, well, they're only the bankers. They're not actually running anything. They're just dealing with the money side of it. Well, I'd say that money is behind the-- all of our contemporary society. So that itself is pretty essential. But in fact, of course, they were industrialists, and they are industrialists. And railways was important for them, because they could make money out of building the railways, being involved in selling the stock in the railways and so on. And then controlling them and using them to move all the raw materials and the produce that they were also extracting from their mines. And also, it also, railways, they were part in war, as well, moving troops and supplies to the front and so on. So in every country, actually, you look at they've been involved in railways. And yeah, that was certainly the case in Brazil. And they also lent money to the Brazilian government on a number of occasions to finance a war against Argentina and Uruguay, I think it was amongst other things. There was just a whole history of it. And I'm getting this mostly from Neil Ferguson's book, "The British Historian." It's very establishment, historian. In fact, people wouldn't accuse ever of being a conspiracy theorist or an extremist or anything like that. But he had access to the Rothschild's records, the archives. And if you read it and just note down everything he described, you can see what they were doing. And he actually makes the occasional comments such as they were. They were a lot of jobs that established serious control over the Brazilian economy. And the government, of course, is you lend money to the government. That's a wide exerting control over that government. So this goes back, this goes back right to the 19th century. And there's no reason to think that it isn't there today. It doesn't remain there today. When you look at all the stuff they're doing now, and that was in this essay, the first thing I wrote about bricks was to look at, on one hand, the history that I got from these very books I've been reading. And on the other hand, the current day situations, we're looking at the internet. And so where Brazil, for example, stands on the WF agenda, the fourth Industrial Revolution agenda. And yes, they're fully in it. They've got their center for the fourth Industrial Revolution. And they're developing their digital currency and they're into sustainable development. And all the rest of it, our impact investment as well, which is another big plank of this agenda, as we might have previously discussed. I don't know. But they took all the boxes. And of course, the resident ruler is always hobnobbing with a class five. It has been for ages, even when he wasn't president of Brazil, he still took time to go and attend the WF conference in Africa. I've noticed, which shows incredible commitment to the 12-year-olds. Almost like he was going to come back around and he knew it. They're like Tony Blair. Yeah, they never go away. They're still in the circles, aren't they? They never go away. And this is one of the things I often say is these people are agents. They're just agents and once you're involved in the club, you don't get to leave. You don't get to retire, Paul. I think you are owned by somebody. You've made some deal at some part in your life. I often use the example of Mitch McConnell. I don't know if you know I'm talking about this US senator. He's the one who looks like he's had all of his life sucked out of him. And he sometimes nowadays is caught just staring into space. A bit like Biden. A bit like Biden, but he's just completely lost his mind. He clearly doesn't want to be there. He's clearly got no reason to be there. He's not even probably cognizant of what's going on. He's probably got enough money to retire and yet they keep wheeling him back out and putting him back. And I'm like, well, the only way that happens or the only reason you would do that is because he is owned by somebody. And they're like, well, no, I paid for you. You're going back out there and you're still going to advocate for the policies that I want. And I think that's genuinely how it works. And maybe we could have a chat about that in terms of how do you understand how power works, having been through these essays where you dig deep into the countries. Is it fair to say it's probably better to look at this more like a mafia movie than a political movie? Like, if you imagine how these structures work, it's probably closer to mafia than it is to what we understand as politics. And maybe that faulty paradigm we've got is part of the problem. Definitely. I watched, I re-watched the Godfather films, the trilogy recently. Because somebody had said to me on Twitter or somewhere, if you want to understand the world, you've got to watch them. And I had seen them ages ago, but I hadn't, you know, I wasn't looking at it through the same lens. So, and you see very clearly that those are the techniques they're used. There's a mixture of techniques to control individual politicians. I mean, sometimes it's just a library, you know, sometimes it's, you know, we're lending them money to the lavish lifestyles. And then they're always, you know, they're always in debt to their benefactors, which is a sort of our Randolph Churchill and Winston as well, I think, were handled by the Rothschilds, for example. And also the bit, there's also that blackmail thing, which we know about, obviously, through, particularly through the Epstein Island. But maybe a mixture of all of those is what makes it impossible for one of these politicians to ever turn their back on their, on their employers and walk away and say, "No, I've had enough now." Because they've just got, they've got them, they've got them exactly where they want them, haven't they? It's quite a neat system, really, you just only allow people to enter the fold, who you know instantly. I could control this person, okay, well, we'll fund your political campaign and make sure you get in. But now we've got all this blackmail material on you, or you're addicted to a drug that we can give you, or some kind of pleasure that's a list that we can only give you. And yeah, you've got them for life. And that's absolutely how it works, which is why it's so strange to me that people would imagine that we're going to get a political saviour, rise to the ranks of U.S. President, or to become part of one of these structures, and then tear it down from within. It just, for me, it kind of is absurd. How about you, Paul? Do you think we're going to get a saviour from within? It can't happen, because it's all nice. It's all completely switched up. It has to be. It has to be from that point of view. Otherwise, everything is at risk. Even somebody who challenges part of the agenda. I mean, you see what happened to Corbyn? I mean, I don't know how far. I mean, he went along with the whole of the COVID mass parade, didn't he? So I don't know how far he is outside of the system. There was an interesting video I saw recently where he was saying that he'd been interviewed by some part of the parliamentary Labour Party or something, when he was leader. And they'd asked him whether he could commit to automatically supporting future Israeli military action. And he said, "No, we end up being who he is." But they were very angry with him. That was expected of him as the leader of the Labour Party. He was automatically in line with that. And I'd imagine there are a number of such boxes to be ticked if you're going to be allowed to become a prime minister. And he obviously didn't tick enough boxes for him to be allowed to go any further. And so he had to be pushed aside to make the make way for somebody much more reliably pro system such as Kia Stammer. Yeah. And you can certainly see that Stammer is just a shell of a person. There's nothing authentic about him. He's certainly the epitome of a puppet politician. And yeah, his ties go back a long way. And he's certainly a favourite of the royal family, too, particularly when it came to not prosecuting Jimmy Saville. I'm not going forward with that prosecution. But he was another incarnation of that whole racket in terms of what he was doing as far as I can tell. Yeah, very much. In the trilateral commission and everything. And he's linked to the Rothschilds as well. And when it comes to the Rothschilds, Paul, it feels like in your research, wherever you looked, whichever rock you overturned, all of a sudden the Rothschilds were there again. Throughout the whole BRICS narrative, that was the name that kept coming up. So maybe you could tell us a little bit more about your discoveries when it came to the Rothschilds and maybe just how much of the space you think they occupy in terms of BRICS. Well, yeah, they did keep cropping up and they still keep cropping up. I wasn't looking for that, you know, I should just say, to start with, you know, I know, it sounds a bit simplistic. You know, every time it's sometimes when I say, "Oh, yeah, that's the Rothschilds." It sounds like I'm on a stock record, you know, or I'm just sort of slightly limited, so-called conspiracy theorist who's just latched onto a particular idea and just keeps repeating it. Which, you know, sometimes it's almost embarrassing to have to mention them again. But the honest truth is that I keep seeing them and I'm not going to not say what I've seen for fear of appearing ridiculous or let alone anti-Semitic or any of the other smears that might be thrown up against you. So, yeah, and I noticed, well, I was doing the research for the- I was researching the Rothschilds because I'd been led in that direction by other books that I'd been reading. So that's why I ended up just- I only read a couple of books, two books, but very detailed books about them. And when I was thinking about the BRICS countries and thinking about how what a sort of obvious marketing toy or manufactured entity, it was. It suddenly struck me that each of those five anyway, when it's expanding now, each of those five countries had been mentioned in my reading on the Rothschilds and the Rothschilds had been involved in those countries. And some of it I'd already mentioned in that, in the booklet I wrote about the Rothschilds enemies of the people. But some of it hadn't, so I went back and, you know, used the index of the books in question to go and, you know, back down every mention of Brazil and Russia and India going on in South Africa. And well, it was quite astonishing. The picture was so plain that they had- Rothschilds had long involvements in all these countries. I mean, for South Africa is the most obvious one, you know, because they're involvement with the roads and Rio Tinto, the golden diamonds and the rest of it. It's probably better known than there are other involvements. Look, less hidden, they weren't really hiding it at the time. But in India, of course, the connection is the British Empire, and they were involved in the opium trade, which also links into China. That was also the opium wars with their entree into dealing with China, which was the way that China was opened up for British business, as they like to say. Well, they were involved in all of these countries, but the evidence was in these books that I'd read. It was a suppression of going back and putting it together. And when you do put it together, I could see what a solid case it was. You know, it wasn't a question of me trying to make the case for any of those countries at all. You know, I didn't have to scrabble around trying to make it sound more significant than it was. It was all there in black and white with- also with relevant quotes from the two historians involved saying the Rothschilds. I'm going to take this country ought to manage to take control after many efforts. Russia, for example, they had great difficulty in establishing any sort of proper foothold in Russia during the 19th century, evidently. And just at the end, they made the breakthrough. And, you know, it's through the usual loans and railways. They funded both sides of the Russian Japanese war and the bill back better, of course, because it all goes. It's always the same package profit from the profit from the build up to a war to profit from the actual spending in a war. The profit from the loans enabled that to happen. The profit from the building back and from the loans for the building back. And also a well of profiting to the knowns act as we said earlier, some means of keeping maintaining control and creating the future course of the country in question. So they need to keep on this path of economic growth and development in order to pay off the interest on the loans, let alone the actual loan itself, which obviously they'd rather didn't pay off the whole loan because then the game's over. That's one of the interesting parts of this story. And I think in part two, I'd like to explore Russia specifically because out of all of the BRICS nations. I would say if we're going to have even a fighting chance of arguing that there is a nation that has some alternative agenda or is taking their country a different direction. I'd say it's Russia first and maybe China second, then I actually just discount the other three is even possible. I think the other three are just so beholden to the old systems that you couldn't make a case, but I think there is the potential to make a case with Russia. Well, there's also lots of counter evidence too, so maybe we could discuss that one. I think a key problem that I see with everything is that we're also caught up in talking about communism versus fascism, versus democracy and all of these ideological positions and then arguing over which one's the best and which one's going to bring us prosperity and who's going to give us the most freedom. I don't think any of them actually matter to this oligarchy. I think it isn't even a plutocracy. Wealth isn't it? Like Elon Musk and Bill Gates, they're just agents. You spoke about Cecil Rhodes, he was an agent. They call these people the richest man on earth for a time and they give them all of this power and pomp. But ultimately, that wealth is just paper wealth. The true wealth is in the land. It's in the occupation of land because all wealth is derived from land. Everything is a derivative of land. And I would say it's an oligarchy, it's intergenerational power that seems unicepable within one lifetime. You'd have to eliminate thousands of families at this point, probably Paul. I think they've all got agreements with each other to agree that they're going to maintain their power and then they'll fight over maybe what's left over after that. But they'll all work together when it comes to creating a one-world system of control. That's how I understand it, and I don't think it matters if it's fascism coming. I think they are happy with every system because they understand how to ride each system and still extract wealth. And I think we saw evidence of that. Throughout both the world wars and throughout the Russian Revolution, you still saw the same names appearing again. And again, they didn't care about the political system. Is that how you understand it too? We shouldn't occupy our mind in thinking with the system itself. It's more about oligarchism. It's not about politics. No, they're not ideological people. They're just interested in power. Yeah, I mean wealth, maybe you're right. It's concrete wealth rather than paper wealth. But I think power and wealth amounts are pretty much the same thing, domination in one way or another. And they don't care which system they use. I think the Communist Russia was an experiment with a different way of running things, which they were funding, because it sort of gets rid of all the... well, it was enabled them to wipe out the small farmers in Russia and grab the land around it through the state. And rapidly accelerate inductorism without any public debate, because there was no debate on the bulk of it. Well, that's Soviet communism. And fascism was just another variation for me. And it was using fascism and Nazism. We're using different political language. But that's just always a device for them, which is why today they can use environmentalism to promote the sustainable future. It's not because they're not environmentalists anymore than they're really ideological communists or fascists or anything. They're just a mafia, which can see that it can manipulate people using these labels and these rubble-rousing movements that are just used to push people in the way in the desired way or to divide them between themselves to make the population as a whole, easily dominated. Well, if it is that way, and if it is an oligarchy, then I guess the, like you said, wealth is important for that, because intergenerational wealth is what gives them the power. But then it does always seem to me, it strikes me as strange that someone like Bill Gates would be considered powerful, because yes, he has wealth, but ultimately, he doesn't strike me as a powerful person or somebody that actually has genuine power. Maybe he has more power than the average person, he's got connections, but I would imagine that to the people at the very top of the system, he'd be laughable. You know, he's somebody that they maintain, but they could swat him away like a fly. It's actually 10 or 10 billionaires getting whacked and disappeared these days. If at least there's one to go down that thread, you'll find many, many stories of billionaires who over the last decade have just died in strange and suspicious circumstances. So I guess what I'm talking about is power. It is much more like a mafia system in that you don't just have wealth, you also need people that are actually looking after you and saying, yeah, that guy's off limits. If you take out that guy, we're going to take out your guy, etc, etc, and create some kind of a structure around a person to make sure that they're looked after. And I guess the real power is the one to have that ability at the top to make you a made man, I guess, in the mafia system. Yeah, I think there's a lot so many different levels on there. There's a lot of the puppets at the bottom, but the puppets themselves are just puppets of other puppets. And it's just like this gang, the mafia gang, the mafia of all mafias. And I think at the top, well, we can't really see them. We can't really see them. Well, you don't know if it's, I can see the Ross Charles up there somewhere. You know, up and I tell from down here on the outside whether they're, you know, they're the absolute top or not. I mean, it looks like it to me because I can see the way they build up their work. They built up their wealth and control over the last 200, 200 last years. So, but, you know, my mind is open if somebody divides me with some information that suggested something, something else, you know, beyond that. But it certainly will work, whoever, whoever pulling the strings that pulled the strings, it's much more like a mafia than a pluralistic society in which rich people happened to prevail just because they've got the money in the bank. Yeah, that wouldn't, they wouldn't have the power necessarily if they just had money. They wouldn't have that same power. They wouldn't be involved in all the criminal activity, because it's, you know, it's not just a metaphor to say that they're a mafia. They're always these these circles have always been involved in human trafficking and, you know, smuggling black market profiteering during wars that's part of that's one of the many advantages that they, they, they've always drawn from wars is to be able to profit from the sanctions and profit from their networks, which are able to evade the sanctions and, and so on it's certain drugs as well drug I mean drugs, I mean mentioned the opium was drugs has always been one of the bedrock of this empire of the British Empire, you know, without even talking about anything subsequent to that. So, yeah, they're criminals, you know, which is why I use the word criminocracy to describe them, because that's what they are and it's even worse than they're not just, they're not just drug dealers and, you know, and so arms dealers, they're actually, they're actually involved in horrible, you know, all that stuff and also, you know, child trafficking and murders and the rest of it which are. So I wrote a bit recently I saw a film here left her indelible impression on me, it was a documentary talking to some women, eight or nine women that have been involved in this as children, and they were talking to camera describing the things that they're under gone. It's a month to better write anything only right short article just about it, it's just a sort of process the reality of that because it's all right you can think that it's theory or you can throw out throw around the world or video rings or whatever. I think that's one of the things that we've seen a lot more of over the past 20 years and 10 years, especially years a lot more come to the surface and I'm sure it was always available for you. Yeah, I think, I think that's one of the things that we've seen a lot more of over the past 20 years and 10 years, especially years a lot more come to the surface and I'm sure it was always available but I think with the internet, we can access information so freely and it can span the world so quickly that there is a lot more of that stuff coming out and people are starting to realize that none of this makes sense like the whole paradigm I've been given up as to how the world works and how power works doesn't make sense. And then you look at things like you said with the narco trade like when they went to Afghanistan, it was all about drugs there as well because what happened in the US just after that well they had the opium epidemic because now they were getting all of these cheap supply of opium from well free a free opium it was free and that's part of the narco trade is yeah it's one of the most profitable things they can do same as human slavery. You know with a human slave and with narcotics it's essentially free money for them, they're just printing money and you had all of those people, I mean how many people died in the US after Afghanistan from drugs like Oxy cotton and all these other opium based medicines that these big hammer companies were now selling because they literally just got all of this free opium from Afghanistan you play talking millions of people. So it's a death based system is based on human exploitation at every single level on the darkest things imaginable. Where's the hope in all of that Paul how do we get out of the systems. The hope is that's what I was saying earlier that this is an issue just said that people know about it. I mean, because I do think that people not realizing has been the mainstay of the continuation of this system people just taking the surface of the political game and and the news that's presented on the television and the newspapers and thinking that you know everything is just normal and you know the world is basically right and the government's basically as looking after our best interests. And COVID gave that here in the world I might be kicking the teeth and a lot of people I've had so many accounts from various people who were not at all political before COVID or didn't question the question the nature of the society they lived in. And then they have sent some walk into another world another dimension. And because they've got that freshness of one thing to find out they've discovered the sort of things we've been talking about and have been without any ideological baggage attached so they're not saying it in order to make you make you join such and such a political party or because you know dressing it up in a particular a particular political context they're just describing what they've seen and saying that this is this is terrible and it's corrupt and there's a sort of new political language is opened up for me that to say that these are corrupt the people in charge are corrupt and we want the best of the world or the women we want a world in which people are free to we want a world in which values are dominant rather than that are in the quest for money and we want honesty we want integrity we want transparency for people in power and it's not that doesn't come into the left or right. Like it, or any sort of there's not an ideology, it's just common sense decency decency and people see things that rarely are innocent than their actual ones and some somewhere else that it's not it's not even a brain reaction it's just a heart reaction. No, you know we don't have this tyranny we can't have this this abuse we can't like we don't want that well we don't want that well for our own or grandchildren or you know even if you haven't got any children or grandchildren for future generations we don't want it. And that's that goes me hope that sort of rejection of the democracy is servicing all over the place at the same time. Yeah I said that tongue in cheek because I'm definitely very hopeful as well and I think that's one of the beautiful things about what's happening right now is that with every agenda they overplay their hand so greatly that it leads to a wave of people coming across where like this podcast like this people like you and your articles, and it's not just that they then get exposed to all of the badness around this one event. They actually go on to uncover the whole thing is they read all about what's been happening the past 100 200 years at least and that's amazing because it means that you know they do another war like what they just did in Israel. It's not even a war it's just on slot in Palestine. And these people are on the left and yet they're now probably going to be finding content that exposes them to other things and it can just completely reshape somebody's understanding of the world and like you said they go on to never ever recover in a good way they don't recover in terms of they say, oh yeah well I'm going to trust that system again I'm going to go back to it it's like no. Once that system has bent you that badly and you realize just how dark it is at the heart of it you say no we need a new system completely. And what that is I think is that's the, that's the challenge of our era is to present some viable alternatives. And I know you speak about that a lot with your and work on anarchism and you wrote a great article recently which I'd like to mention in part two but I'll leave it there for part one Paul where can people find you online. Well my main site is winter oak.org.uk. I've also got a sub stack. Just pour food now, sub stack. And I'm on X, formerly known as Twitter and the winter oak press, and they all interconnect so you find one you found them all. Fantastic I'll put the links in the description to this one Paul please check out Paul's work it's all for free even his books you can get online which I think is extremely, extremely generous of you because it's pop quality work actual genuine research that's in depth and I will also link through the three articles around bricks for you to reading your own time and that will definitely lay out why we're having this discussion and maybe it's challenging some of your opinions around bricks. Thank you so much for your time again Paul and I look forward to speaking to you in part two. Okay so that's it for part number one of my interview with Mr Paul couldn't exit so I hope you enjoyed it in part two we get further into this discussion. Me and Paul share some of our opinions on Russia I share some of my information Paul shares some of his and ultimately that is what's most exciting is we're taking listeners on a journey because neither of us have all of the answers. Nobody does and anybody who tells you otherwise is lying but as we are both researchers we have both dug deep into the histories and I think there are some interesting patterns and also some things that stand out. 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