In this episode, Jake and Michael discuss the all the work to consider before introducing tests to a vanilla PHP app, trusting people over adding layers of process, and seeing data in your tests and migrations.

This episode is sponsored by Makeable.dk and Workvivo.

Show links

• Abusing Laravel for fun and profit by David Hemphill at Laracon AU 2018
• Oh Dear's migration to Spark Next
• Strangling legacy code
• The Bike Shed - Marketing Matters (on saying "no" to more process)
• Potato, Potahto