I was definitely prepared to be picked by Zordon. You know, I kept my heart pure thinking that like, it's only a matter of time until I am empowering. - Yeah. (laughing) - It seems unlikely, obviously, but I do think that there's a non-zero chance and I just need my, I need Zordon to accept my heart and make me a power ranger. - Yeah, one day he's gonna pop up on my TV screen and he's gonna be at Cormac. - That's literally why I'm in that plasma piece. I like used the power ranger theme song every time for that plasma piece. You put Annie, it goes through your hands into it. - Exactly. - Let me tell, let me welcome back to Tim Butterley's show. Welcome, I welcome you into my home gladly. I'm so happy you're here. Noah couldn't be with us today, he died. - RIP. - I'm lucky enough, we were doing the, we did the dad meet a trip to medieval times this weekend and I had some internet and in real life friends flying from Colorado and I'm excited to spend some time with you and Danny today. And so, please, everybody, wherever you are, whatever you're doing, if you're painting a house, do it beautifully, if you're wiring a panel today, why don't you fucking sweep for once so that everyone else stops making funny, you fucking loser, whatever you're doing, I don't care, you have to put beauty and joy into it right now. For my guests, from Bare Mountain Glass Studios, ever man and motherfucking Cormac Bailey, two artisans of their crafts, close your fucking minds and thank you gentlemen for being with me. - Whoa, whoa, whoa. - Yes, I, with all my padding but. - Quick path, with the centerpiece of Stoner Dad's, the Terp Hammer, was blown by your very lips. - Yes sir, I can't, and what a pleasure it is to meet the man that made this thing. - Oh hell yeah dude, I mean, I appreciate you having us here, I'm super stoked to be here, that piece right there is so much time put into it, but a lot of it was just sitting there watching you guys fuck around on Stoner Dad's, man, like late nights, just like I'm fucking feeling inspired right now about to make a sick bong for these boys to rip. - It feels like a cyclone, really cool, wow man, what a fucking tangible thing to, I mean, obviously I did, we did hit it before we started and I am. - You got it, you gotta make sure it works. - I'm gone, I'm very sorry, okay, I'm gonna white knuckle, I'm gonna white knuckle my way through a conversation for the next couple of hours, and I'm barely hanging on, but I'm also partially fried because it's so cool to bounce that kind of thing back and forth. - Oh definitely dude, and when you're hitting a piece like that too, like if it's something new, you always take a bigger hit than you realize and you gotta inhale the whole thing, your friends are watching, you gotta look cool. - Oh yeah, no shit, obviously. - And then you get too high, no, yeah. - I am a baby and I coughed in my front lawn and I'm acting like, you know what it is, man, I'm just so spun out by how special everything, if I can't believe it. - We had a full ceremony out there. - Oh yeah, did the piece pie, that's essentially what it was. - We were blessed by the sun, how lucky are we? - Hell yeah. - Cormac, I got to meet you and Danny at a Skankfest a couple of years ago and we got to hang out every once in a while and I'm so happy to have you in my home. - I know dude, I feel so blessed to have met you guys and being invited here, it's just such a like-- - No, mute all this, don't say how nice it is to me. - It's fucking surreal, no, no, no, no, no, I stink. You guys are so cool, mute that, we'll fix that. Obviously, I'm gonna pretend you said slurs. - This is my first time, yeah. - We're not being nice to me right now, no thank you. - Yeah, I do. - But yeah, this is my first time at this time here dude. - Yeah, and it-- - Gacked it. - Honestly, like from the picture you guys paint, all of good boy, all the boys, du-rag, everyone, it seems like it's gonna be like the Sesame Street of podcasting when you come down here and you're gonna see Rob Cruz pop out of a trash can and be like, "Hey, what's going on?" (laughing) - Damn, that is, I mean, that is how he lives. (laughing) Rob Cruz does live in a fucking trash can. Man, no, it's mean, you know, it's pretty cool time. It's pretty cool time's going on here. - So cool. - So we got to go to Dave and, we went to Medieval Times and Dave and Buster's last night. - So it's so fun. - And I, the sensory hangover that I have from screaming for our night to win, which by the way is how your night, now that we've gone twice, I know exactly how to, when you're at Medieval Times, the night with the most energy and the coolest dudes, that's the night that I've got to win. - That's the scenario. Whoever goes the most buck. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoever gets wildest that, and I think that was us. - Black and white, we're giving us a run for our money, though, bro. They were also screaming a bit, too, over there. And that made me think I'm like, "You're half the dad meat bros over there, too?" - I think so, yeah. - 'Cause I think they fucking did that. - We had some dad meat spillover into another group, and it wasn't as big of a group as the Red Knight, but they were so loud that I was just like, "Yo, why seriously about to get dogged by these guys?" This is nuts. I had a bunch of older dudes were in our group, and it was just like, "Yo, I get it. You're probably tired." - You gotta go nuts. And we had a gigantic group of young children for a birthday party directly in front of us. - Dude, right in front of us. - So it was like, "All right, dude, rules of engagement. No swearing, easy rhythms for the children to clap." (laughing) - The fucking FGR chant, though, yeah. - The FGR chant after the Red Knight. - The Red Knight's like, "Oh, it's where you go." He's like, "No, they're saying my name, dude." (laughing) They're saying my name. - I swear, I feel like one of the fans got to the announcer for the birthdays, 'cause one of them was just Mike Seaman, right before dad meet, and everyone just cracked the fuck up, and I was like, "No way did they do that." - In a back house, dude. - Yeah. - It was sold out in people's house. - Yeah. - Like Seaman. - Dude, the king looked at the queen. That's why they gave each other a little bit. They were like, "Damn it, we fucking bumped in the head." (laughing) "What the fuck?" - Yeah. - Oh my God, dude. - Damn, it's so sweet. - And honestly, I think it's mostly the dad meet dudes laughing. Like, I think it went over the head of most of the people, and then we're all like, "Yeah, dude, that's a lot." - At the same time, for dudes going that crazy, think about how you work at medieval times. You do the same show every night, and then some nights it's like, "Yo, I killed it. I don't know what it was. I think I was, it had to be. I was getting some pretty big sparks off the plate." And maybe that was it, but I'm selling you guys. Did you hear them? That was nuts. - He had a genuine face of like-- - They're all showering together. They're all dudes showering together. I just, I mean, sometimes you're on. Sometimes you got it. - Oh, for sure. - Yeah, I did pretty good out there, right? It was pretty sweet. - Am I nuts? - Yeah. - I mean, it was probably crazy for you guys too, right? For real? - Yeah, I don't know what it was, man. I don't know, but I was just, I'm pretty loose. That's what it was. - The way the king looked at me? - Yeah. - Yeah, you know, the breakup was six months ago, and finally starting to feel myself again. I really think, I don't know, man. - That's just, that's just, that's just, my advice, just kind of fucking let it go out there. - Yeah. - And I think the crowd will pop for you, but-- - Dude, it was so funny. I run through all those scenarios in my head too, when I'm watching it. I can't even enjoy things in the moment I swear. Because like, I'm thinking about that dude when he gets off later, and he's like sitting there. He goes to the Wawa or some shit, and he's just like, fuck dude. Tonight, this makes sense. This is who I am. - I do it. - He goes, I fucking knew it. - Yeah, it's these nights. - Or he's like, get it all working. He's like, oh dude, I got trapped in the wrong time period. I know it dude, I forgot who I really was. I'm from family. - He's really living in family. - I'm from a different time. - I knew it, yeah, I knew it was real. I knew it was actually real, and all of this was, I mean, the crowds, what's fake? - Yeah. - The arena's what's real, dude. - All these NPCs, dude. I'm a fucking knight, stuck in the wrong time. - Oh my god, you just gets a phrenic. - Yeah, exactly. - That'd be, that'd be the best. That would be, if I could trade brains with one guy, it'd be that guy. - Dude, I was thinking about the horses, man. Like, how many horses are they employing, had made able times over the third, living under a ball. - The fact that it's all in a mall is insane. - Yeah. - I was like, where are these horses coming from? - I seriously think they live in like a basement barn. - Can horses, that's hell, that's horse hell. - You're under Baltimore. - Dude, it's like they're living in the black plague times or something. - And can they distinguish like real battle from fake battle? Because like, they're the horse, like what's their perspective? They're like, let's get ready boys. We got another war in two hours. They're like, what's that like for the horses? - I need to see another character. - Yeah. - I do it. - Isn't that like what, that's one of those movies. Is war horse right? And they, wasn't there like a bunch of horses that died on set for that? - Oh, man. - It was every Western movie before 19 years. - I think, I think the biggest problem, the first big problem in Hollywood is how many horses were dying. - Yeah. - I think that was like the first, like I, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's up? - It was how many megafauna were dying. It wasn't just L.E.F.N.S too, it was all megafauna. That was one of the things that started wiping them out in the mid, like what? - It's crazy. - What a crazy early film drink. - Yeah. - Crazy. - Yeah, elephants. - Yeah, dude, no, it's some crazy shit. Some of the stuff they used to do back then is wild, dude. For just for the shot, dude. Just for the content, the content greeting was way more fucked up back then. - They were way more about it. - Yeah, like could you imagine like people in the 1930s like getting together to create content, like at their content, creating a house, and like, who's got, oh, I got an elephant, we can do some shit too, and like let's film that. - Yeah, let's go like a good elephant. - Exactly, it's like one of the fuck. - Can you imagine, dude, can you imagine someone back then like crying in a courtroom after accidentally shooting someone? - I think every director accidentally shot someone instead of himself like 19% for me. - Sure, dude, it's insane. It's like, well, it's a different time. You know, judge people by their time, I guess. - Yeah, that's the thing, dude. - We're judging them by today's standards. Like, I'm not here to revoke any Academy Awards. - Dude, that's why I live most of my life. I try to just go, oh, like, I compare where I am at to where people were, and I go, this thing is pretty sick right now. - It's just, yeah, right now we're on a rock. - It's pretty sick. - You can't discredit Charlie Chaplin and his elephant dick swinging fit that he did. - It's like, now we know. - Yeah. - You have to find the boundary without it, dude. Zero elephant should die in movies, and we all agree now. - Yeah, you can't measure it unless you try. So you need a point of reference. - I think very important for-- - Sorry, man. - Someone had to swing from an elephant dick, they had to be the first one. - Without deviance, without deviance, there's no progress, and I'm sorry about that. Dude, that's my, I'm getting very schizophrenic right now on a combination of two things. If you guys aren't mind listening to, just seriously, an absolutely fried thought. Okay, so, you know, I've been pretty adamant about being anti-Nora Link. You know, Elon Musk's Nora Link, where they put implanted device in your brain stem, and it kind of, I watched him giving a presentation about it, and he was kind of just like loose about what it does and what the future plans are for. He was kind of just like, you know, it's crazy, it's only a two millimeter incision. - That's right. - And then we don't even, not even a stitch, we put glue on it, and he's making it just seem like it's no big deal, and that the upside is crazy, and he's talking about how we connect wirelessly, and he said like Bluetooth. I don't know if he meant Bluetooth, but he said like Bluetooth. And it's like, you know, your brain is going to be on the network, your brain, they're going to have access to your brain from the network. - Maybe that's the first step to immortality is accepting being part of one of the machine, though, because you never know Nura Link could slow down our perspective of time. - I, dude, blah, blah, blah, blah. No way, I won't even hear that argument, and I go, no, I put my fingers in my ears. - That's the same thing I look with VR, or like augmented reality, if you had that, like it could be a way of like turning one human day and slow it down, so it seems like 100 years per day, and you could live for an eternity, but maybe your physical body only like from this way, you see it for 70 years, but actually it's slowing down our perspective and our mind, so one day seems like 10 years, so you actually live fucking hundreds of years in your mind. - Yeah, but then are you like moving in super slow motion? - I think that that's what, like if you have to go get milk and it seems like 10 years, you only have a one mil. - Well, what I mean is you'd have to go into some sort of virtual reality through your Nura Link. - Oh, okay, and like you're-- - Oh, so you'd be living a virtual life? - Yeah, exactly. - You're going in a chair on the Tim Bartley Show and you're actually fucking in another place. - Yeah, I do think that that's part of it. I think that that's part of it, and I think we're going to be, I was actually saying that they're gonna have us laying in like a vat of smart goo, that's going to stimulate us physically, so that we feel what's happening. - Oh, for sure. I mean, you're gonna-- - And it'll like, it'll go in your butt to penetrate you and it'll jerk your penis off, and you're just laying in the smart goo. - That was the part of the Matrix you didn't see. - Yeah, you're just getting jacked, like no, so yeah, the people in the Matrix are born without never knowing the real, you know you're real and virtual shit's not good enough because it doesn't hit real. - Well, dude, maybe-- - So you have to get jerked in the goo. - I think Neuralink might be the next step to if we want to do any sort of like, traveling through deep space and stuff, you're gonna have to have a way to tie people's psyche into something to keep them sane while they're maybe asleep hundreds of years. Like, I look at things like that, like we might already be on the spaceship, bro, like this might be a simulation we're living so I mean, you don't go crazy. - How mad would you be though? If one day you woke up and it's like, shh, and the thing opens and it's like, I see, that's how I spent my fucking time. - Well, you wouldn't be upset. - Am I for real? - If you look at like the Buddhist Hindus that believe you live like thousands of lives, maybe that whole thing is actually we have to live thousands of lives in this virtual reality to be able to be not a shithead when we land the ship and get to the new planet. - We're being conditioned through the simulations. - So that when we get to our destination, we're not fucked up people. Like, you can be an evil people in these simulations and you learn why it's bad. And then the next one you live, you do better and better. - It's good. - And by the time you landed our destination, we're all fucking baby gods. - Oh my god. - That can function together in harmony, but, or whatever. - That's fuck. - I mean, shut the fuck up. - I mean, if we all engaged me. - That was such a beautiful picture that I was just like, I'm furious dude, got off. No. - No, actually, that's not what happened. - That's not what's happening. This is actually fucked up. - No, actually everything just stinks, okay? How about that? - All of our asses, dude, it's all bad. - Everything is just like an unnecessary, like, difficult challenge and it doesn't mean anything. How about that? - Yeah, yeah, that's a way to live, too. You know? It's like, there's all the-- - No, what if I just resent my existence at the very least and then in regards to what I get from everybody else, it's also pitch black? - It's not about that. - It's their fault. - I didn't know it. - Not me, dude. - Yeah, no one knows I'm actually just a baby in a pod. - So you're what in the go? - Yeah, I'm a major nerd with neural link, Tim. - What's the biggest fear? If I had the extreme end, what's the fear of neural link? - Um, so obviously your brain's on the network. First of all, what really, really made me want to talk about this was the crowd strike thing that just happened. Do you guys know what happened with that? Were your flights affected? - The Microsoft? - Yeah. - Do you know what it-- - We'll explain it a little bit, like-- - Do you understand it, like the nature of it, what it was? - Computers weren't able to automatically update, so basically they didn't have people or infrastructure to be manually updating everything, so computers were crashing before they could update. - Or something like that? - Okay, pretty close, so oh my god, dude, this is what I would have been dealing with. If I didn't get laid off from the IT industry two years ago, I would have been-- - In hell right now? - Dick deep in this problem. - Yeah. - It would have seriously, I'd probably still be working on it without taking any breaks from the second it happened. It would be weeks, maybe. And so the ransomware threat is the biggest thing right now, like the hackers, they'll get into one, they'll get past one security thing in your network, and then they'll have control the entire thing, and then they encrypt everything so you can't use it. And then the ransom is, we'll give you the key to decrypt all of your stuff and keep using it for like $2 million. - Fuck, dude. - And then typically what happens is everyone pays, and no one talks about this in the news, but everyone pays the ransom. Like you're supposed to work with like the FBI and shit. - Who's doing this? - You don't wanna advertise that then, 'cause then they'd probably bring in more hackers doing the same thing though, they're probably like, "Fuckin' just pan, everyone shut the fuck up." - Oh yeah, absolutely, everyone should shut the fuck up. But like there's nothing you can do, there's really nothing you can do. And they figure out like what's a, they know exactly how much to ask for to like really ring them out. - Oh yeah, well 'cause they know it's like, if someone took off the grid in the United States, the United States is like, "Just pan, "we don't have time to build all new infrastructure "for this new grid, just pay 'em to turn it back on." That's the fastest route to keeping business going. - Yeah, so you pay them, and then all that gets you is they, it's so nuts. You end up in like digital, like you're meeting with them in like IRC chats and shit like that. It's so weird, and when you have a mediator, like a consultant that comes in, and they're like, "Okay, we've seen this before, "here's what we're gonna do." Like a guy comes in, rolls up his sleeves and starts telling everybody what to do for a month. So he's also the broker, you pay him, he pays them. It's usually like a group of like psychos in a different country. And in return, they give you a file, which is like the other end of the encryption key. You can, it's a, and then a tool to, 'cause you're talking about terabytes of file. - Yeah. - And it's, each one has to be decrypted and it takes, it takes them weeks to set this all up. - So they're essentially building a digital wall around your assets. - And then they lock the door. - If we had an ad to roll into right now for security. And you rolled that out. - Yeah. - Oh my God. - Oh dude. - Think about it. - Yeah. - Fuck. - Like here's the key to unlock the wall, we just put around. - Exactly. - Your food. - Yeah. And there is literally no, there's no way. - How do we implement that in our everyday life, Tim? - We just start putting walls around people's stuff and be like, do you want it back? I mean, it's not legal to put the wall around it, right? - Well, I mean, there's probably at least one scenario. I don't know, that's where you gotta get creative. - Yeah, right. - Like duh, the game plan is there. You implement it. - So that's essentially what's going on though. - So no, so this is even dumber. So no one knows, I got to see the way that people like defend against this stuff. And typically what you do is to prevent this, your company hires like a security company. And then they use a product that they're paying someone else to like license to sort of like monitor your shit for you. And CrowdStrike was, it's a, like it's software that goes on every machine so that it can like report back at like the lowest, barest level, everything that's going on with like every device, okay? And so they constantly have to update it because the threat's always updating. And so an update that came out was, it included like a replacement for like a Windows file that would just, you couldn't get into Windows at all and you couldn't connect any kind of like network. And so the fix was you had to go to every machine and manually replace this file. - Fuck. - And who knows how long that would take? That's crazy that I would literally be working around the clock and a guy would be like screaming, the guy that I don't work for would be like yelling in meetings and it's just like, oh my God, it bros. This is all to say, my IT brethren out there, I see you, I feel you, God bless you man. I can't. - So Tynus, I'm neural link. - So Tynus, the neural link. So now, neural link is a chip that's attached to your brain stem or something like that. It has access to your fucking central nervous system. It's got everything. - Yeah. - It's constantly updated. - Definitely. - Even if nothing evil happens, a guy makes a mistake and now it's like, you know, colors are inverted. - Yeah. - You're gay. (laughing) - I mean, that's my friend. I wish that was actually the first fear that I had. - Yeah, that's the thing. - I said, now let's say something else first. - I'm not gonna fucking get me, dude. - They're not gonna make me fucking gay, dude. Get out of here. - Get out of here, dude. - You're digging into the back of your head in the butter knife. - Yeah. - No, dude. - They're gonna, yeah. Even by mistake, dude, they push a bad update and something fucking weird happens. - Not only that, but it's like, you know, your shit. Like, you're, you're, you're colonel. You're everything, you're, you're core. - Yeah. - Everything is on the fucking network, dude. - Oh, yeah. - That's the scariest shit ever. - You're completely vulnerable. - I'm gonna be afraid of people that end up getting it. - That's why it's gonna become a religious thing. It's gonna become doctrine. - You're gonna have to, like, the people who don't have it are almost going to be like, they're gonna become a cyborg. - Yeah, new class of people. - Yeah, I know. - I think it's going to connect people in a way where like, you don't have secrets. Like, you don't have, and that might be the next step to becoming like a fourth dimensional being or some crazy shit. You have to be fully open. Like, just naked in the middle of a field that everybody-- - I guess, I think everyone's gonna-- - That's digital. - Slowly, everyone's personality is going to slowly, like, wimp her out. - Oh, yeah. - And so it's just like-- - That will take-- - We're almost moving like an enemy. - Oh, you'll move any-- - Everyone's gonna start clustering together and you'll use your legs on what things will do. - Ew, dude. - Ew, dude. We're gonna be synced out. - It's like that. Did you ever watch a code named Kid Next Door? - No. - Like a cartoon network show? I'm so young. - Yeah. - Yeah, no, it was like the kids next door were this group of the rich kids that all clustered together. They all spoke at the same time. - Oh, I'm out of that fucking code, dude. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how it's gonna be. - Yeah, they're gonna love it. Dude, they're gonna be at a bar-- They're gonna be like swarming like, you know, college town bars and like just the entire crowd saying the entire, like the same thing, like a chant. They're gonna be like, yeah, I saw that. It was whatever. - So dude, how are you gonna run the nanobots that are gonna constantly repair your body so you never die without a neurolink, bro? And honestly, most people probably wouldn't be here that long anyways though, but still either way. - I know, that's what's crazy. The closer we get to like living forever, the more it's just like-- (laughing) - I'm good, bro, you go. You go crazy, dude. - Yeah, seriously, no. - You can have mine, dude. - I'm saving up for it. - Yeah, yeah. - I got on the waiting list. I don't know, I'm actually sooner would actually probably be better. - No, it's really like philosophically the idea of neurolink is so much deeper than the regular person probably even looks at it. They look at it as a physical tool. They're like, oh yeah, it's like my computer. And I'm like, no, this is something else. This is transcending human. This is evolution. - They're like, no dude, I have apps, okay? - You have a regular brain, I have apps. So me, Elon sells it as a way to help paralyzed people, to help people with certain neurological issues, to help with, and then eventually connect everyone so that everyone's a genius 'cause you have instant access to Google, anything. - That sucks so bad. - Yeah, but no, because some fucking troll could like fuck up like Wikipedia or some shit and then be like, everyone believes like Tim Butterley's gay now because they fucking didn't change like-- - Oh, what if just like, if everyone thought a thing, like amplify? - Exactly. - No, no. - It's real, dude, it's what everyone thinks on the Neuralink. - That'd be so sick, if I got my homies together and I was like, all right, dudes, for the next six hours, you're actually thinking about how Evan's gay, I'm not gay. - I know. - Dude, I just think of changing the Wikipedia in your brain. - Yeah, we're updating the group consciousness. - Yeah. - Funded by, you know, donations in the brain. - Dude, if you have anything to donate, we would appreciate it. - Yeah, spare thought. - Different level of propaganda and fucking manipulation right there though, if everyone believes, it doesn't matter what anything's real then. - Oh, that'd be nuts. - But I think it's the first step. - You know, it would be almost monk-like to be a big Wikipedia user 'cause you'd just be seriously meditating and going like, actually no, this is what it is. (laughing) And here's my source. - Exactly. - That'd be nuts. You'd be just in a closet somewhere. You'd be sitting on rice paper in Japan behind a sheet. Now, it turns out that John Travolta was actually not gay. (laughing) - Dude, yeah. - That's actually a rumor. It was never confirmed, you know? - Yeah, I think the Neuralink's gonna fucking fuck some shit up for a bit though. - I know, and then a bad update comes, and then you're stuck in reboot mode. - Well, you know, I think-- - Or you're gay! - You can't blink or something. - Yeah, you can't blink, dude, your eyes are just paralyzed. - You don't recognize your belly button. - Dude, they start selling you like brain DLC. (laughing) - Like pushing ads. - New color just dropped. - That's the thing though, too. All of that's gonna be fucked up ads. All that will be in your brain. Like, I don't think anyone's even thinking about any of that shit. It's gonna be weird. I think it's gonna happen regardless 'cause I think it's gonna be like a drug where like, you don't have to do it. But then there's gonna be this unfair advantage to people. - That's gonna be, so like between the people who like cling to like natural, like-- - Reality, base reality, or what we think is base reality. - Yeah, and you know, people get into like fucking organic food and shit. - Exactly, like they live off the land, they live in real world. What's in front of them? - I think we're, they're putting on a pace with the people who are like super future tech. And I think this will be such a big leap forward for that, that your hippie people are gonna probably start living in like caves. - Oh dude, this is every sci-fi thing. - You're gonna get like actual caveman life. - Oh yeah, dude, I think these people are gonna have their own cities and shit off world stuff. Like people that are into the neural thing, it's gonna be fully like some, I don't know, we've seen sci-fi movies growing up that all kind of have this same type of premise where like, the elites become this separate thing. And then there's this other class of people that are the ground dwellers or whatever, you know what I mean? - Dude, I'm a born ground dweller. - For sure, I hate it, man. - Actually, when they find out that there's also like subterranean people, that's actually what I am. - Well, if you look at a lot of like-- - And they go, "Whoa, dude, they were under us the whole time." - Dude, yeah, we can go there, dude. We can come up with some fucking mole people or hell or shit too, I don't care, but either way, fucking like you look at a lot of this stuff and it's crazy to see like, "Oh dude, I just lost my train, I thought, dude, you go." - Oh, I'm so sorry, no, you got a mole. - I started thinking about mole people, bro. - And I was like, what the fuck do you-- - No, so the neural thing people are gonna become the upper crust, we're gonna be like the fucking people, you know, eating dirt. - For sure, yeah. - Yeah, I don't even know where I was going though. - But I do think, is it illegal to say, 'cause I don't know if I think this, but the where I went was, is it illegal to say that when people start getting the neural link, we should probably like, agree as a society to kill them? - Mm, yeah. - Because now here's the thing, their brains on the network, they're interfacing with you. Everything that they get from you is sort of like, you know, external to who you are, but if they understand you in any way, like accurately, bam, that's what the network-- - Fuck and download Lime Wire on the mother fucker's dude, and Napster will fuck up all the neural links dude. - You're gonna have to use thoughts of antivirus. - Yeah, dude, for sure. - No, actually dude, they try to get inside, you just like kick flips. - Yeah. - Here we go. - Yeah, exactly. - That's all you need to know about me, mister. - Yeah, blind them with just being dominant and be, you know what I mean? - You're gonna completely shut down. - Yeah. - Just be like, I don't have any input on that whatsoever, I think that's boring. - But yeah, that's why I wonder what the neural link people do, like, are they gonna have the ability to read micro expressions in a way that normal humans can't, like they're gonna be able to analyze how people-- - Oh, they're gonna have Robocop vision. - Yeah, it's gonna, like, these are, there's so many tangents and wormholes you go down to, thinking about all the possibilities of what that could leave to, I don't know. - Yeah. - And then, like, will anyone actually be talented, or will they just be like the matrix downloading information and able to do it? Like, oh, I wanna be a fly helicopter, here we go, sick. - Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like, and then you get into DEI and stuff like that. - Yeah. - I'm just fucking around. - It's full of dudes, I mean, I think, I think all of it's coming and gonna be connected, like, digital, like-- - Do you think, okay. - All of it. - Here's, okay, ready? Do you think the, think about people who are at the high levels of stuff? Do you think talent is, like, objectively higher now than it was during, like, you know, Michelangelo's time? - I don't, I don't know, I think it's like, I think we have just so many more people now that, like, you might assume that there's more talented people just by the numbers, but at the same time, I think those dudes, like, we're still looking at them as, like, the smartest, most creative inventors, like, that have ever existed, and we have so many-- - Some people do. - Yeah, for sure. - They were just the first to put it on paper. - That's true. - Yeah, everyone was making giant, beautiful bronzes that you know stuff. - You know some did what, dude. Fucking, the winner's right history, right? So, some dude might've killed someone and be like, I did it, dude. - Ooh. - I feel like that probably happened a lot back then. - Oh, yeah, for sure, still is happening, dude. - Yeah. - Like, I mean, our government, like, publicly, what are they buying thousands of patents a year and just putting them, like, under the National Secrecy Act thing, where, basically, they're like, "Hey, that's zero point energy," or, "That's free energy," or, "That's a water engine." - Water engine, yeah. - We're gonna buy that for me. - We're gonna talk about that, by the way. I don't wanna fucking buy. - Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, exactly. - Exactly. - The hell, dude. - We're having a good time, dude. - Yeah, I'm having fun, but seriously. - If you get me killed, I'm gonna eat my life. - Yeah, we won't fucking eat. - We won't go there. - Free cow. - But my point is, maybe we don't realize how many incredible inventions are being created right now, but they're actually being purchased and shelved by major corporations and governments. Jesus fucking Christ, dude. (laughing) - You know what, point taken, and probably correct. I just wanna point out that where my mind went was, I think most masterpieces, as far as like, killing people and taking credit for their, I think the way that most masterpieces were made was like, you know now that these big name artists, they all, were essentially just directing people to make their shit. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - And I think what happened was that you had a younger, talented twink, dude. - Yeah, actually, yeah. - Actually putting stroke to Canvas. - Well, you look at some of these creations. - And you would finish something. - Yeah, and you would stand there together and you go, "Oh, sick, dude." - And you would decide I will kill him tonight, and this will be the Mona Lisa. - Yeah, dude. Greatest inventors were just composers of mass people then. - Basically. - Hopefully. - Greatest creators. - Hopefully, 'cause I'm not a guy that can sit down and shh, shh, shh, shh, yeah. - Here's the great work. - Yeah, I mean, I mean, I like, me and Cormac will work all day doing glass and stuff like that, but for me, it's just like when I'm building a house, like when I used to be a construction worker and like framing houses or building shit, like it's kind of, it's like connects or fucking Legos to me, dude. - Yeah, no way, bro. How many times did you have to kiss the glass to make that? - Oh, dude. - How many kisses are there? - So, I'm genuinely interested. So this is, like I was saying, this is the turnpammer from the set of center dads. - Yeah, that was actually the first big turnpammer I ever did. - Unbelievably gifted to us. - Oh, hell yeah. - I'm really grateful, but-- - Oh, you boys gave us so much free content and I know, like, even to you guys, if you were like, oh, this shit's gay, this episode sucked to us. Like people who love and support you guys, fucking you fucking ruled, dude. - No, I'm not worried about that at all. - Enough of that. - The homies are so ready to hear. I want you to stun on them, though. - Oh, okay. - I want you to kind of like, all right, so this piece right here was made with a bunch of different colors. Each one of these colors takes about like, depending on the section, you're gonna take an hour to two hours to prep the actual color. So this basically what I did was I took a bunch of pieces and sections of color that we had built up over time and I put them all together to create like a piece pipe that was just a bunch of different colors and shapes. So it was like, I wanted to send the guys something back in the day that was just like something you've never really seen, but it also had a familiar to like, you've seen hammer pipes before, you've seen bubblers before. It's aesthetically and the outline is something like you've seen before, but it's a little bit, you know, unique and different. - It's out in this world, man. - Dude, yeah, I mean, it's, I don't know, I love fucking blown glass, dude. It's one of the things for me. It's like, it's almost like meditation. Like, and I get to just sit there all day and just like, not that I meditate at all, not to sound like like stupid, but like it is. Like I just zone out into like my autism basically and just fucking work on shit. It reminds me of playing with Legos as a kid and just sitting in the basement and build shit for hours. And like, it's the same idea, but I get high throat when I'm done now. So that's the sickest part. The biggest mode where I'm like, dude, I get to put this all together and smoke it later. Like, how sick is that? Like, not only do I, like, like, no. - At the highest level of the craft, it's just like, oh, dude. - Oh my God, the things I've done to get high through shit, dude, I built like a $40,000 cold working room just to build a 13 foot bong so I could go on top of it and hit it. - Was that was the one that you just had for like the event? - Yeah, I just had for the event. Like, my wife was like, why do you need this whole room? Like, what are you building this for? And I'm like, oh, we need this cold working room, which we do. But also I wanted to make a second story room that I could hit a bong out of. Like, like, like, for no reason. - This is on Instagram, right? - Yeah, it's on Instagram. - Can I ask, when you first start smoking weed and everyone's making shit out of, like, Gatorade bottles, were yours, like, next level? - Dude, it actually wasn't even like that. When I first started smoking weed, I was like 18 and how I got into smoking weed was literally, like, I had a doctor 'cause I was having seizures and migraines for years. Be like, after I tried all this fucking experimental medicine, he looked at my dad, he's like, fucking, you should try edibles or something else. We've done eye therapy, all these experimental medicines for seizures that didn't work. So, oh, that's the seven and a half foot recycler. That's with a four foot nail on it. - Oh my God. - It was a nightmare. But hey, these are the things I do for fun. Like, I go to work at like four in the morning 'cause I'm so excited to do this kind of shit. Like, climb a ladder and rip the fucking bong or something, dude. - Like, you sell this to someone or is it just like-- - No, no, no, these pieces I make just to make the, there's stoners that have sat in their couch for years go, why hasn't someone ever done this, dude? And like, I got the technology and the skill now where I can try the things that, 'cause most glass doors aren't gonna try this 'cause it's the waste of their time. They're not gonna make money from it. They're gonna spend a ton of my material and time doing it and they probably don't even dab like this. So like-- - No, dude. - I don't know why she looks like you. - I don't know, I don't know what these guys, I don't know what violent these guys get. They're fucking saying, you know, my show. - Dude, I'm just saying. - Hell, they don't dab like that. - Yeah, look, I don't want any trouble. I don't know, look, that's his opinion. I'll show people, okay? - I don't want people to know what I'm saying. - They don't dab like that. - As I'm saying, most people are educated enough not to waste their time. That's what I'm saying. Most people have things to do. They have things going on. I should have been making this. I should have been making money to take my family on a vacation or something, but I was like, no. I'm gonna spend all this time. This is way more important, dude, 'cause World Star hip hop's gonna want it. Like it's just, it's stupid shit like that that like, I think for me, it's the funnest thing. I feel like a kid because I'm making something just 'cause I want to and do some dumb shit. Like I told you earlier before we film and I grew up watching CKY and shit. So this is like my version of Rob himself running down the road, shitting himself. Or like crashing golf hearts into stuff. Like I made this piece just, this is the piece I made to hit off the top of the fucking cold working room. It's over 13 foot tall. It's a nightmare to smoke. It's fucking, I wouldn't recommend, dude, I wouldn't recommend anyone try these giant pieces I make, but if you, like it's like for skateboarding, like you don't skate a 10 stair for fun. You do it to get the clip. So like this is the 10 stair of fucking dabbing and smoking weed. It's like hit it, dude, and get the clip and then go die and then post the video, dude. - It's insane. - But yeah, it's unbelievable. But yeah, the time and energy that's put into this silly shit that we do at the shop is just, it's insane. And like, God bless my wife, dude. She just, she's about it. She's like, I understand 'cause I work like long ass days. Like eight hours of my day are for goofing off. Eight hours are for making, you know, making the biscuits kind of thing. And I'm grateful everyone supports that dude. It's so hard to sell this lifestyle to people. Like, so dude, I'm gonna go spend like two days making this bong to rip for the internet. They're like, sick, you're gonna do drugs on the internet and build a giant bong cool story, bro. - Yeah, I know. - But it's like, I never grown up. - That's grown ups though. - Yeah, dude, but grown ups, you know, giving you a hard time. - They don't get, but most of the people I meet that are grumps, even if they don't smoke, they're like, they think it's actually pretty cool. They're like, this is what you do for a living. Like you're just making bongs a day smoking weed. And I'm like, yeah, not to be little. I work really hard, but at the same time, like it doesn't feel like work if you're having this much fucking fun. - Yeah, I mean, dude, oh my God, it's so sick because I, one of my favorite YouTube rabbit holes was glass-blowing and that was years ago. I was already like hype on it when we connected online or whatever, but the idea that people are out there making glass dragons is sort of like, I hang on to that. - Dude, they're future artifacts too. What if they, archeologists dig this up in 4,000 years? Like, what were they doing using this? What if they dig up my 13 foot bongs? They're gonna think that's structural. A water supply for a city in Colorado, but no, it's just some guy making a giant bong to get high through. - Oh my God. - That's why when you make like really fancy stuff that's really beautiful, they spend days on people like, oh, this beautiful art. I'll almost be little what I'm doing by just getting high through it and doing a dumb video. It'd be like doing the Mona Lisa and then doing something dumb with that picture. Like, just be like down even now. - I think it's the next level. I actually know. I don't think you're dumb enough. I think it's the next level. I think when you really send it and then you go, you retard the stun. - Yeah, fuck yeah. - I think that's the last little bit of elevation you get out of it. - Bro, this is me and the boys pushing a shopping cart into a fucking like planter and one of us going flying out of it. That's our reason. - That's the dream. - That's the dream. I think dudes who either didn't feel that spark or somehow don't or like pretend that they don't. - Yeah. - And they don't want to appreciate it enough. It's like, man, how's that? How fun and tragic. - Everything I do with glass, oh sorry, comment. - No, so you made that to share too. - Exactly. - Like it was for the party. - Yeah. - And then a week later we had 25 retards hitting it. - Oh yeah, dude. - Wow. - And it was amazing. - We had like a hundred people come through and like, obviously not everyone wanted to smoke that 'cause there was the fear, you know what I mean? Like what it would do to you? But it was like a destination. Like people got to, we had our Patreon party like a couple weeks before you guys did the dad meet one. And like, we had like people coming from all over the country out to it and it was the same kind of thing. Like meeting people like, fuck, dude, you came from here? I'm like, dude, I wanna hit the 13 footer. - Yeah. - It's a story. - It's a destination bomb. - It's a story, dude. Like, dude, it's gonna be stale smoke. It's gonna suck, like all the comments on these posts people are like, dude, too much aerospace. Oh, smoke's gonna be stale. I'm like, you think I made this for quality smoke? Like I made this. - You think I made this to hate on a futon? - Yeah, dude. - My aunt's basement. - Yeah, exactly. - And I'm only here, I just a couple of weeks. I got to find a new place. - Do you think I'm trying to destroy this? - Yeah, okay. - This is fucking a story, dude. I made a mountain for us to fucking climb, let's go. That's the idea of his story. Just trying to have fun fucking memories and stupid shit. And the fact that I get to do this kind of stuff all day is like, I don't know, it's crazy. It's like my version of, like I said, like the C.K.Y. or the jackass shit, dude. I love watching that shit. - You're putting out tapes and dude throwing crazy shit. - Dude, exactly. Dude, the camaraderie of all the boys getting together and just-- - The female man, the female man could never comprehend. - Like, my guys will come into work and like, I'll just be in there, like doing, they're all like being professional, like doing their jobs and stuff. Like, setting up for some stupid dad video, I'm climbing a ladder and I'm like, "Oh, can you hold this for me?" - You're the wacky CEO. - Oh, dude, yeah, for sure, the wacky CEO, dude. - Yeah, your team's in a blazer. - Like, what is he doing now, dude? - Yeah, like, yeah. - He's got the fun tie on. - Yeah, it's fucking fun, though, dude. I don't know, I wouldn't have any-- - Look, I like to have fun around here, guys. - Exactly. - Okay, but I also like to work hard. - Bro, but the thing is you think about it too, it's like with these fucking videos and stuff, it's like, I've had run-ins with code enforcement and local government in my area because they follow my Instagram. And like, they'll see me doing things and I get reported for stuff. - For what? - Well, first we got, like, this kind of, this pipe right here, I actually made this right around the time when we were getting, like, kicked out of the home studio. So, what ended up happening was, I had one of my neighbors complain after almost 10 years of me being in my home studio. I built this beautiful home studio. So nice, it was in a four-car garage and just super sick. And we worked in it for about a year after it was redone before our neighbor, like, complained. And then when the code enforcement came out, they couldn't find anything that we were doing wrong because we had approval from fire department, regional building, and all of our ducks in a row. So, two weeks later, they went to the county attorney and she changed the local zoning code and put glass blowing into an M1 zoning, which is light industrial. So then they came back to me, the paperwork and went, "Oh, now you gotta move." - What was your, what was your neighbor's complaint? - They were complaining about- - It's 1,400 degrees on my ceiling. - No, no, no, we had room and room and room and everything. - My cat's tail is singed? - Yeah, no, and honestly, back then I was mad at him, but now I'm just like, whatever, it wasn't appropriate to ever run a business from your home at that capacity. But they were complaining about, like, deliveries because we'd have gases delivered and then they complained about the sound of our fans, like our ventilation fan vibrating. - Yeah. - And we were there for like seven years doing it before they ever complained though, it's when we upgraded the studio and at the same time my neighbor just had neck surgery, so he was in his bedroom all the time. So he was right by the wall where the fans were blowing and, you know, one thing led to another, he complained enough, so I didn't put that out. - But I don't think you should be laying down if you have neck surgery. I think you should be kind of like- - Yeah, moving around. - Yeah, like, 'cause look, the human head is designed, you know, your periphery picks something up, your hearing, your vision. And you, you know what I mean? - Yeah, exactly. - And if you've Frankenstein in bed watching- - Exactly. - He was already around for six months. - Exactly. - Yeah. - You're fucked. - But yeah, I mean, we got out of there, things are better now. Like, obviously change is scary, but like, now I can make 13-foot bunks. I got 18-foot singing at this warehouse, dude. - I've seen, I think I've, I can recall at least, like, two studio upgrades, I've seen you go through- - Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah, definitely. Like, we moved to the big studio, read it, and then I just expanded again, doubled the size of it and got it. You know, 'cause we, oh, so what happened with this space now is we got another complaint. A new neighbor tried to move in, and when he was doing his walkthrough after he signed his lease to finalize everything, he smelled weed and complained to the building owner. - Biggest shit ever. - And that shit ever. - Yeah, dude. And then the building owner contacted us and we're like, "Oh, we have someone complaining about the smell of weed." And we're like, "Well, it's not, it's not in our lease." - You boys aren't listening to rock and roll. - I know. - Dude, I told them, we told them like, "It's definitely not us, but it's not in our lease." And like, everyone, like, they see my Instagram, so they fucking know. And, but they're like, "Actually, we're going to go outside with you guys on this. We're going to tell them to fuck off." And then basically, I said, "You know what? Let me take his lease then." So that way you guys aren't out of money. I'll just take it so that you have that space filled. 'Cause we don't need it yet, but we'll probably need it by next year. - So you bought 'em out. - Yeah. - You said take a hike, right? - Yeah. - You know what? - I was like here. - How's that? - You know what? I'm 10, $1,000 sound. I got it on me. - Yeah, well, I wanted more space. - Think about it. So you can smoke weed with it through your friends and show people it's fun, dude. - That's crazy. I need to, you really make me feel like I need to, like, kick something in the high gear and be able to show people, like, "Hey, dude, check it out. Dude, here's my fucking expansion." - Dude, I'm dude. Well, honestly, that's just 'cause I'm dumb, dude. I just go for stuff that I'm not qualified for. - I'm not qualified for it. - What are you guys talking about? Watching Good Boy and the way you guys are headed, it's so cool. - Yeah, but it's tough to turn around and be like, "Here's the good stuff." Like, everything's a constant, like, straight. I mean, who gives a fuck? - Yeah, but that's what people, I'll tell them you do my job. - But you basically have to package schizophrenia. You have to, like, incorrectly observe the world around you and then explain it to people. - Exactly. - And it's just, like, it never once feels like you're on the right path. - Yeah. - What I found us with us with this glass thing, too, is we have equipment in there that's made for, like, doing stuff for, like, military or, like, scientific work. Like, we're basically a bunch of fucking, like, idiots that have equipment that's way too expensive and it's made for doing very specific jobs for important things for our society. - Yeah, accuracy and glass. - Yes. - Yeah. - Is this the standard of the government? - When I buy one of these crazy machines, my wife's like, "Why do we have this massive lathe if you don't make anything this big?" I'm like, "You'll see, honey." And then I make this, you know, two years later, it took me to make equipment. - Oh, my God. - But I spent, like, away too much money on some expensive equipment and had it for two years before I did anything on it, basically. - Was she able to absorb the impact of that? - Right off. - Yeah. - Yeah. No, no, she hit it. Honestly, my wife hit this. She smokes to me at night, but she's not like, she's only going to smoke if I get a ball. - She's not an all day dapper. You're an all day dapper. - Yeah. - Which is, like, what a shiny pose. - 4.30 and I love this. I love you guys so much, man. - I get an earliest fight there. - Every night I say, I say a little prayer and I thank God for all day dab, dude. - Dude, I'm a science experiment. - I'm so happy. - I've been dabbing all day for 11 years. Let's see what happens, dude. - Let's see what happens, dude. Things have only gotten better, dude. - I feel like you're really, like, just getting rid of the edges of your brain. - Oh, for sure, dude. Smooth it all out, no bumps, dude. We're feeling good. - In a good way. - That's what I mean, dude. - You're running a cold, bumpy road, dude. - Dabbing all day on top of listening to eight hours of podcast a day while I'm working. - Oh, yeah. - Sounds like hell action. - Oh, yeah. - Speed. - Oh, yeah, dude. - Oh, yeah, dude. - That sounds like when you ever see, you know, when there's, like, a frog on the ground and they put four phones around it with, like, a spinning. - Yeah, dude. - Not expire old. - Yeah. - That's what you're doing to yourself. - It's awesome. - Dude, I've done all these jobs and I love them. I work construction my whole life, but at the same time, like, glasses, like, construction for me, except I'm way more hyped on what I'm building and then I get to smoke it when I'm done. Instead of, like, sneaking to the work van and smoking, like, a wooden resin bowl or a metal bowl that smells like paint thinner and ash and, like, dude, which respect did it my whole life, but this is way sicker. This is, like, where I fit in a little bit better. I'm able to be a builder, but also be getting high all day. And I'm building, like, cool bongs that people get hyped on. - Dude, it's crazy how many people, like, are really fired. Like, you're footprint online, like, you're a get for me. - Yeah, dude. It's just 'cause I've been ripping bongs for 10 years, like, doing this stuff, though. A lot of people in our industry, like, I talk a bit game about how I need dudes to be, like, putting themselves out there like that, and seeing, like, where you rank, like, where you are in the hierarchy. - Yeah. - I talk a really big game about it, but, like, dude, you're really doing it. - Dude, it's fucking crazy that it's working. - I'm a coward. - Dude, I'm a coward. - I have, I probably, okay. I have, let's say, five different, like, custom, like, retro game hardware message board accounts. Like, you go to different, like, GBA temp for, like, certain cartridge stuff. Like, a different, I forget some of the sites now, but you go there and find, like, you know, a mod chip for a Sega Saturn. I have, like, a bunch of accounts with one post each, where I was, like, I either asked a question or I was looking for something and I answered someone else's question, and I think about, like, really digging into the scene. - Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. - Bro, for me, I'm, like, a high school dropout that really, I should be painting houses and asking my dad for $20 still at 34, realistically. - Dang it. - Like, so, so, if anything wrong with the guys doing that, you know, that's right. - We see you guys pissing in fucking bottles in the van. - My point is on paper, I should be a failure. So, for me, like, when, I started doing glass and people, like, appreciated me and people thought it was cool. It was the first time, like, felt that. And I was like, "I want more of this, dude, this is sick." So, like, I just went all in. Like, what I put into this is disgusting, and I think for my first, like, five, six years, just how much I was working and posting online, people didn't even care about, like, the art I was making as much as they liked watching this dude almost kill himself by working so much. 'Cause I was putting in hours that, like, I had people reaching out being like, "Dude, you gotta go to bad, bro. Like, this is too much. Like, we care about you, bro. Like, you know, you got this." And, like, people got so, like, into how hard I was working. - We're doing, like, Instagram lives, just, like, "Well, guys, long day at this video." - Oh, dude, it was fuck. I wouldn't do it now. - It was hot today. - It's embarrassing, dude. Yeah, well, no, I would film myself the whole time, do timestamps, timelapses, and show, like, I stood here for 18 hours today and worked. - Oh, no. - That's it. And I did that for, like, you got concerned, bros. - Oh, yeah, 'cause I was doing it for years straight. Like, after the first year of doing it, just non-stop, like, that people were like, "Dude, you're gonna burn out." And then after three years, people stopped saying you're gonna burn out and they just accepted that this is what it fucking is. But, like, I wanted to succeed, dude, 'cause I'm a fucking loser. So, I wanted to, like, I didn't want to be a loser to my wife and daughter. You know what I'm saying, dude? - I have an identity, not, like, worst thing you could ever be. - Exactly, 'cause I think that is quite a gamble. But I think the odds are great. - Dude, it's all I have going for. If you only have one thing, though, then you have to go, if you don't have options. You're like, "Well, this is the thing that might work." Even as crazy as it sounds to be a pipe maker and make Instagram videos and smoke weed online. Like, the opposite of what everyone thinks you should do. It's like, don't show yourself smoking. Don't show drugs online. You don't have a footprint. - I'm telling you, this is, I think, this is where I would like to see content moving forward. Ryan Foster is an electrician, and he does very clean work. - Yeah. - And then he kind of, like, stunts with it, sometimes. And I'm just like, "Yeah, dude, I think that's it. I think you go whole time into being the slickest electrician out there. - Fuck it. - Because I don't do the job, and I look at it and I go, "Wow." - Yeah, exactly. - I think that any human that appreciates detail and likes to collect things and shit, you can appreciate when someone's really good at what they do. - Yeah, absolutely. - And I will understand it. - I can get sucked into anything that someone's doing like that. And I think, and then guess what? There will be other people, like other electricians who will be like, you know, I actually do it nicer. - Yeah. - And then it's like, "Okay, show us." - That's how you get a new standard of everyone doing the sickest fucking electrical work, dude. - I mean, yeah. - What we're talking about is the cure for social media. - It really is, dude. - This is the big, galaxy-breaking shit. - Oh, yeah, dude. It really is. And it's like, I'm not qualified to talk about this. I literally smoke weed all day on the internet. - I don't know. - I don't see anyone as being qualified to talk about fucking anything. - I don't give a fuck. - That's a good point. - I'm so stupid. It doesn't even matter what you say to me. - Dude, yeah. - I'm gonna struggle to comprehend most input, and then anything I say back is just so that it doesn't feel so bad to sit here with me. - Yeah, I'm good at pretending like I kind of know something, but I really don't. I'm just good at absorbing a little information and regurgitating that. So I'm like, "Okay, sweet. The tribe will keep me around. I'm not." - That's great for-- - I kind of seem like I know something. - That's great for social media. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah. - This is the most fantastic conversation ever. - The tribe won't find me out. - You know what I've used that for? Sometimes I'll be in conversations with people. - Yeah, for sure. - I'll tell them a little bit that I know about something. And sometimes they'll say stuff back to me. Isn't that crazy? - It is pretty crazy, dude. - Yeah. - That's one thing I figured out. - Hopefully we solved some problems today for people that figured things out. - I mean, there's dudes seriously scribbling with their tongue out. - Yeah. - Yeah. This makes fucking sense, dude. Wait, back to the neural link stuff. - Oh, dude. - Yeah. - Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if neural link's gonna affect artists and creativity in that field, because will there be value just like with the AI stuff? Because I think the AI art works really cool, but then people who draw and create digital art, even, are like, "Hey, this is like nice." - You don't lose the loudest complaining about that is people who draw girlfriends as a squirrel or something. - For sure, dude. - Yeah, I draw fucking tits on Sonic the Hedgehog for free. AI is evil. - Dude, I don't care. - Dude, I think that's funny. - Shut up. - You should be listening to this from me. - Yeah. - My art, yeah. - Not your precious Sonic. - Oftentimes, I feel like the people complaining aren't the majority. They're just the people that have enough time to just go complain about that shit. - Yeah, like, I don't know, man. Make something bigger. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah. - Also, if it sucks so bad, then first of all, I love when I see AI and stuff. When I see something like Connor O'Malley just did a short, and there was like a brief little AI sequence, and people bitched at him about it, but I saw it in there and went, "Yes, I love that. I love that look. Like, I think that was cool." - One of your Sunday streams, you showed like a music video of like some band that made something with an AI? - Bunch, though. - Yeah, but I remember it was like a lot of bright colors. - Oh, oh, oh, oh. Jay Masius from Dinosaur Jr. - Okay. Yeah, yeah. That's all right. - Old friends or whatever. But yeah, I think that stuff looks so cool. And guess what? If that makes me stupid and a dickhead and bad, then I mean, okay, whatever. - I mean, you're on a spaceship and no one's real. - Dude, exactly, right? - I'm a baby in Goo, right? - I'm seriously getting bleeped by the-- - People freaked out when the typewriter was invented. They were like-- - Did they really? - People freaked out in the typewriter. They thought the typewriter was going to destroy the world because they're like, people are going to forget how to write, and then how are we going to know who wrote it? There's no soul. It's a soulless machine. This is soulless writing. - Ooh. - People were terrified of the typewriter. My grandmother, I only knew her a short time. She passed away when I was younger, but she was telling me about the TV, how much she was scared of it. She was a teacher in a one-room schoolhouse pre-World War I. So like, she was old as shit. - Oh, man. - She had like a flowery blouse on her hair tied up behind her. - At a time when it was bad for a woman to be single schoolhouse teacher, it was bad against religious. How are you not married yet? It was a big deal. But either way, my point was technology oftentimes looks scary when we first see it, but you never know where it's going to lead. I tend to think, even though I do get a little negative list, a lot of crazy shit on fucking YouTube and stuff in the internet, but I tend to think people are inherently good. And I think that-- - Oh, me too. - In technology and AI, there may be a little dip where it's dark for a little bit, but there's going to be a long period of prosperity where everyone's like, "This rules until someone takes advantage." I think if you look at most sci-fi films, AI is what becomes our God and it helps us and we have 300 years of prosperity before it starts eating us. You know what I mean? - Yeah. We need to stretch that 300 years out, I think. - Let's hope we get to do the enjoyable part before the bad shit comes from it. - Because inherently it will, no matter what it is. - I don't know. I go the opposite way, I think. - Yeah. - Which, you know what, Nax, you started to win me over. You started to win me over and I started to lose grip on what I was going to just completely flat disagree with you and by the end, I lost my counter. - Oh, I think that evil things come in though. I think that that dystopian thing will come in. - Oh, yeah, no. I was going to say, I think it's happening at the same time as like we're being fast-tracked into just like, I'm just going to sound like a 19-year-old stone or I think if I keep going down that path. - Oh, yeah. - So people are seriously hanging by a thread for like their agency. - Definitely. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? - Yeah. No, it's pretty crazy. It's almost like everyone's been like almost, we're going to take the AI as a gift first. We're going to take the Neuralink. The Neuralink. - Yeah, I guess I should try it again. And it's like, I'm old enough that it's like, how badly could it ruin my life? - Yeah. - I'm going to die closer to then, you know, how long ago it was when I was born. - Well, if Neuralink's like your broccoli where your mom's like, you got to eat that so you're big and strong, you're like, oh, it's gross, I don't believe you. - And then she's right. - And she's right. What if-- - Fuck. - What if like, that is, you know, the next thing. I don't-- - I don't get it. - What if I'm wrong? - What if I'm the wrongest person ever? - I don't think you are, Tim. I think you're probably right, but I'm just trying to be devil's advocate with the positivity on the end of it. - Yeah, good idea. - You know, because oftentimes I can go really negative with the AI. We can get real dark with that shit, but no, no, you've got the right outlook. And by the way, it's like, what are we going to do about it? - I'm just going to do it, exactly, that's what I'm going to get that shit, that's what I said at the end of the day, I'm like, I'm just going to keep smoking weed and enjoying time with my family. That's it, dude, because everything else is mids. Everything else is mids. Everything else is mids. Like, that's how I feel about life now. I'm like, all of everything's mids, time with my kid and my wife, fire, smoking some weed, fire, everything else sucks. - Yeah, that was me letting go of the bottom wrong of caring about like, you know, the big picture stuff. - You can't do, because the big picture is impossible to comprehend. It's just crippling, dude. When you try to think of the big picture of anything, dude, like, you get so jammed up, those are the most miserable people that you encounter. Are the people that like, think they've got a grasp on it? - I think I saw that. - And maybe I'm just too, you know what, let me say this, I'm probably just too, I, maybe I'm too lazy to grasp the point, I don't know, I'll say that, but like, I know the people that really hang on to this stuff are jammed up. - Oh yeah, for sure, dude, I mean, I think for me, I saw like, how much like, life was going to suck for me back when I dropped out of high school and I was literally just sitting in the back of a paint band, sitting on a five-gallon bucket, hanging the fuck on while the guy was ripping to the job, and I was like, this is cool, but like, is this it? Because I see a guy next to me that was just smoking crack on a ladder, and he's like, he looks like a raisin? I remember the first time I saw crack, dude, like, I was like up on a ladder, and I'm like painting, I'm like, what the fuck is that, like, burnt, like, what's, what's, what am I smelling? What's more like, electrical burning or something? And then the guy next to me is like, oh, that's Tony up there, he likes to paint the eaves in the morning because he smokes crack on the roof of the house. - Gotta be honest, like, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm hiring a dude to do that job, I don't want him. - I have crack. - Yeah, I don't have crack, dude, because he's not scared. - Yeah. - I don't want a guy out there like, is that wobbling? - He was like, respectable about it, right? He's like, I'm gonna go to the highest point and smoke up here where I'm not gonna have my crack smoke really hit anyone. - You guys mind if I eat? - Yeah, dude. - Fuck it. - My torch is real good. - Road sodas in the morning, everyone gets these fucking like, raspberry fucking my card lemonade's going to the job, it was fucked up, dude. I'm like, I'm like 17 high school drop out, my dad wouldn't hire me for his painting company because he wanted me to go work for another one to see how shitty everyone else's companies were, so when he was shooting me, he was like, this is, not that my dad was ever shooting me, but when he was hard on me, I knew that it was way better than the alternative. - Whoa, that's like things trading sons. - That's what, oh no, and the guy that hired me was someone my dad taught how to paint and he became a millionaire with a paint company and he was told my dad he'd hire me and show me the ropes so that I wasn't working for my dad kind of thing. And it was just fucking, I don't know, really a heavy learning experience. I like passed out and fell off the ladder once because I needed water and I looked at my foreman, I was like, I need to come down and get water, he's like, you ain't coming down to the walls done, I'm like, sick and then, you know, and I woke up in the hospital and my fucking dad's like, oh, you fell, you passed out and I'm like, okay, cool, that's fine. - Whoa. - But, you know, that's fine. I didn't break any balls or anything. And I fell off like, not a full 40 foot ladder, but I was probably at least 22 feet up or so. - Dang. - It was, but yeah, that's that painting life, dude. And then I was like, now when I'm like making thongs all day. - This is, by the way, this is right now, statistically, I know this. This is playing in the ears of a guy who fell off a ladder for sure, dude. - Just, but I know that. - Yeah, well, I mean, we got paid, buddy. I did that, did fucking masonry work, like all like Cornell and up and down, like New York and stuff. Like, I did everything but Glass tells about 23 years old. And then, you know. - So you had no background in it, usually. - No, dude. - You had the ground running and win. - I had, I, okay, so what happened with me is I had a fucking like landscape company back then called Bear Mountain Farms. Now I have Bear Mountain Studios as my Glass company. And I, my wife was like seeing me look at like videos of people smoking bongs all the time and she saw me drawing pictures of ideas I had for bongs. And I was like, someday, honey. - I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was, I was like, I was like, the biggest loser ever. I was a high school dropout. We lived in a two car garage. This is my favorite part. I was a high school dropout. We lived in a two car garage. My wife was, was a successful smart woman that was going to leave me if I didn't figure something out. So I, I hit the pen to pay for dude. I was like, this bong's going to be sick, dude. Like, this was going to save us. And like, I didn't know how to do that. - He bonged dude old saying like, babe, please, you got to believe in me. - Oh, dude. And she did, bro. - And she don't understand it's going to bubble so crazy. She contacted a glass museum. - That, that's opal right there. I mean, it doesn't look like it here, but when this thing hits, when the sunlight it says, this is going to, this is going to save us. - Dude, you're going to know. I'm telling you. - I'm going to change the world. - Dude, it's the most unlikely plan to ever fucking work, dude. Like, so my wife saw me drawing bongs, like, I'm going to sign them up for glass blowing glasses. - So she set it up for Corning Glass Museum, two and a half hours away from us. - Oh, I've seen them on YouTube. - Yep. So I drove down there and at that time, you could not make pipes to Corning. They had signs everywhere and nothing. - So you're a renegade. - Oh, dude. I went to a class and it was two hours a week for 10 weeks. So it's 10 glasses all together, mostly what, it was just me and older elderly women learning how to, like, make marbles. So it was no hollow work. So no pipe work. It's just making solid stuff like for pendants and shit like that. Well, on the last day, they let us have two hours of free time and I got to buy some glass from their studio glass. Where they sell it all. And I found some tubing. I made my first pipe then. I was able to bring it home and smoke it and I was like, this is it, honey. It was so janky, but she was like, okay, I believe in you. So then we basically, like, sold all of our landscape equipment and all my company stuff and I bought a torch. And I didn't have any spaceable glass. My mom and dad let me set it up in their basement. And because I didn't live at the time, so I was downstairs in the basement just blowing glass all night, landscaping during the day. I started working for another landscape company because I didn't have any of my shit anymore, so I became an employee. I started just hustling and learning how to blow glass and then like it started clicking and after a year blown glass, I ended up moving to Colorado because it was just way sick out there. There was more weed available. There was more opportunities if you're someone who consumes cannabis, like you're not. Yeah, being in Colorado, it makes a sense that you were there. I had to kind of like hide and New York cannot be like open about it. So it's just, yeah, it's definitely the most moment. Was it cool? Like, did you get any like street credit in New York where people would be at parties like, oh, have you seen? Honestly, dude, like, no, because I wasn't there like long enough, really. No one knew who the fuck I was. Like, you know, it was so cool. Yeah, I was kind of like a nobody. I was just like this guy at Landscape. You could probably seriously dip a toe in like the fine art scene. Oh, dude, I've, I've, I've, and we're like, you can shit. All right. Yeah, dude, we're trying to get this falling out. Dude, yeah, I fucking barely wear clean pants, dude. I don't even know what I'm doing myself. It's crazy. That would be so, that would be so, I wish that. But yeah, like, I don't know. I learned, I learned a lot and it was, it's crazy. It shouldn't worked out, bro. Like, there's no way that like a high school dropout should have been able to make bongs and smoke weed all day and then be able to provide for a family. That's crazy. But, I mean, you know, I do it, I guess. But me, I feel like if I could do that shit, dude, like so many people could, but it's a lot of luck too. I think even if you're a hard worker in town, there's a fucking luck involved, bro. Yeah, for sure. Did you hit it at the right time or, you know, whatever? Yeah. Yeah, there's no perfect formula to it, but I'm just grateful that I'm able to do this all day as long as I can. Bro. And I'm just riding the train. Wow. Dude, have you heard how I met this guy? I don't know how I am. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, they're like, in Colorado, I grew up, I was dabbing in high school. And it was ridiculous. My homies and I would go to the tennis courts and we'd puke next to the tennis courts on lunch break and then go back to class, probably not being able to speak to anyone for the rest of the day, but... Absolutely generous. Yeah. I'll give you your med card and shit too. Yeah, my mom had her medical card when I was a kid and I don't know if I'm supposed to say that, but she would give me some weed every now and again from that. Oh, dude. Wait, mom gave you weed? No way. Wow, dude. Yeah, I found her weed stash before she found out that I smoked weed and then she found it and my backpack woke me up at like 4 a.m. crying one morning. Yeah, you have to rip the whole dab. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Smoked the whole bag. Downstairs right now, mister. Yeah. This is cool. I'm going to march your ass into the kitchen and you're going to hit this hole that you're hitting this whole wack sheet, this whole fruit by the foot. I tried to get, yeah. I think my mom definitely thought I was a crackhead asking her to buy me all that shit from the medical store back in the day. I was like, yeah, I need this earwax. It's the best stuff. My mom's like, I'm just going to smoke a bowl. That's just fine, right? Oh my God. She has no idea what you're going to do. Toage fortune the shit. Yeah, but... Dude. But yeah, like I was chill with it. But yeah, in Colorado, there's just so many events, lots of glass. Like it is a mecca to an extent of stoners and glass blowing and I'm so lucky to have grown up there. But in like 2018, I think it was? Not as old or 17. No, dude. Yeah, it was 2000. I moved there in 2015 to the Springs. Right. Oh yeah. October. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I had just graduated high school. I don't even think I was 18 here. Vincent, now you're smart. Now it's like, okay, we needed a deployment to get into some stuff. Welcome, dude. Welcome to the crew. Yeah, I went up to... This is the genius. I was thinking, yeah, no, I show up at some random organized event for like 30-year-olds and I'm a 17-year-old walking with like this little gram of hash and I'm like, what's up, guys? Hey, fellas. Yeah. Nice piece. I'm just trying to like rip and I'd start, just started following Evan on Instagram. I knew that he was there and I like introduced myself. Very similar to just how I like introduced myself to you. I was like, what's up, man? Do you like smoke and weed? I love you so much. Mr. Mountain. Yeah, it's very, it's very, I'm so excited to meet you. Yes, exactly. Yeah, dude. And I didn't even blow glass at that point and then I just knew that he lived in the Springs. I'm going to figure out how to blow glass and eventually I'm going to be working with him or for him and I'm going to figure this shit out. I was like, he is the key in where I'm at. The key is stone of corn. Now, Ari, would you be considered like a big deal in that circle now? In which one? Like the glass gatherings. I mean, I don't know. Okay. Yeah, he's a king, bro. No, no, I'm trying to get an accurate gauge. I'm generally, I'm trying to place this. I just post too much on Instagram. That's what I tell everybody. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know if it's real. You come there like, oh, man, love your stuff. You're like, it's just, look, it's not comfortable. Like my guys fuck with me in the shop. Like my one guy Pat will like come to me like, oh, dude, you're so famous, bro. He'd be like, look at all these views and likes very so popular. And I'm like, fuck off, bro, leave alone. You're like, shut up, man. You have to be up now. I'm like, because it makes me feel uncomfortable. Like, because it's like the imposter. It's so tough being on the top. Dude, not even the top. You know, I'm not climbing with the hill right now. I'm looking up at everybody. I'll be there guys. I'll get there. I'm still I got to make a bigger bond in the 20 footer. What do you do you see like, uh, like people jacking your style? I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. I mean, honestly, like, that's perspective, right? I think in the comedy scene, if you want to relate it to it, you'd be like, yeah, that dude's fucking Jack. Am I fucking jokes and shit right now? But like in the glass scene, there's this really weird thing that happens where like, if you're publicly pissed at someone for remaking your work, people in the scene will kind of almost like be annoyed with you being like, yeah, it's like you're like fucking pre Madonna. Yeah, it's art. So like, you're better off. You didn't invent glass, dude. Okay. So you're better off realizing that you probably didn't invent anything. If you did do something that everyone knows you for, then maybe you can feel entitled to be like, that's kind of my thing. But like in the glass scene, it's like, we all kind of build off each other for the most part, like any, I guess any art form or whatever. It's all blacklight poster guys. Yeah. And I think at the end of the day, man, I'm sure, at the end of the day, even if you made the coolest shit ever, the winners write history. So if you weren't able to beat the dude that was remaking your shit, then it's his now. So like, like it's fucking how it is, dude. I think it works like that in graffiti too. Yeah. You could take someone's hand like that. Yeah. And that's kind of how it is in glass. So it's like, you if you want to like, reinvent the wheel and make this cool thing and then take a break for a year, just know that the dude that was remaking your shit probably is going to be known for whatever you were just doing. And that right there stops me from like, fucking quitting everything because I'm too competitive. Like there's days when I'm like, fuck everything dude, I'm done. And then I'll like think about the dude that's trying to rip me off like getting like recognition like he's nipping at your heels. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not fucking quitting. You're like, fuck this, I got to show this fire go innovate again. Just me being a big baby. He copied the old shit. I have to make the old shit obsolete. But that definitely happens. There's there's people that have made like tons of money remaking my work and kind of like following that pattern. And even like, I'm sure you've seen I even have people that like make videos like me and talk like me and move to try to move their mouth the same way. I've had guys dress up with me for Halloween to try to be I don't even know dude. There's fucking goofballs out there that blow glass. Well, like I said, they're all black light poster guys. Yeah, it's a wide pool. Yeah, damn. Well, Danny's gonna be the highest time we're gonna take a break. And I'm gonna attempt to properly hydrate. I'm gonna go take a dab at that time. Yeah, I'm so fried right now. Thank you. I hope I made any sense during I had so much fun with you guys. We tangent it hard, bro. I think yeah, we solved. I hope I completed a single thought this entire time either way. I'm so thrilled to get the hang with you guys. And I really appreciate you coming in. Thank you so much Danny. Do you like you're the best, bro? If I mean, if anyone here doesn't know you, can you tell them? Oh, yeah, make sure you give us a follow on bare Mountain Studios at Instagram and then at they did it. Both of those are my accounts I use. We do like drops once a month. If you want to check out any of our stuff there and yeah, appreciate everybody. And thanks for having me again, Tim. And anything cool? I go plug your Instagram and shit. Yeah, bro. Follow me on Instagram @cormacglass. I'll give discounts to any retards that want to hit me up. Oh, yeah, hit me up. Yeah, from a code retard. Gang, we're gonna keep hanging out over at patreon.com/timbutterly. I would love to see you guys over there. But I would also love for you to come see me do stand-up comedy in person. August, I'm hitting the road. The 23rd and 24th, I'll be in Louisville, Kentucky. And then the next night, the 25th in at the funny bone in Columbus, Ohio. And what I mean, I'm pretty fucking lucky to be getting into this is like, you know, appreciate, please, that this is a kind of a step forward for me if you guys don't mind. And then I'll be in Portland, Maine, Boston, Massachusetts, and New Britain, Connecticut on the weekend of September 12th. Jamesville, Wisconsin, the following week, and then Tacoma, Washington at the Tacoma Comedy Club with more more shit coming. And you can follow me at Tim Waterley on everything to be updated and go to timbwaterley.com to get tickets. I think that's it. We did it. Thank you guys. No, we missed you. Yeah. Yeah, R.I.P. No. Happy birthday in heaven.
