In this engaging conversation, Dr. C. Richard Spates shares his journey as the first Black behavior analyst and clinical psychologist, discussing the evolution of behavior analysis, the impact of social justice movements on the field, and the complexities of trauma treatment. He critiques the rise of treatment packages in psychology, particularly EMDR, and introduces the concept of moral injury, emphasizing its significance in understanding trauma and mental health. This conversation delves into the complexities of moral injury, particularly concerning PTSD, and explores the various factors that contribute to moral injury, including cultural contexts, parenting styles, and the experiences of individuals in different professions. The discussion highlights the need for a broader understanding of moral injury beyond military contexts, addressing its implications in healthcare, education, and societal structures. The conversation also touches on the potential for developing targeted interventions and the importance of recognizing the experiences of both victims and perpetrators in the discourse surrounding moral injury. Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop) BACB: 2.0 LearningIBAO:  2.0 LearningQABA: 2.0 General   Contact Dr. Spates The Moral Injury Spectrum https://moralinjuryspectrum.com/ Dr. Spates on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/c-richard-spates-4328b2239/ Links: Dr. Nasiah Cirincione-Ulezi Interviews Dr. Spates on Evolving ABA https://abatechnologies.com/operant-innovations-podcast/2022-08-31/evolving-aba-001-dr-richard-spates https://abatechnologies.com/operant-innovations-podcast/2024-07-23/evolving-aba-moral-injury-with-dr-richard-spates Behaviour  Speak Podcast Interview with Dr. Nasiah https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-67-humilty-compassion-and-reflection-with-dr-nasiah-cirincione-ulezi-and-drjonathan-tarbox/ Black Applied Behavior Analysis Organization https://babainfo.org/ The Power of Us https://www.powerofus.online/