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Thank you for coming on the show tonight to talk about what's important to you. Thank you for having us. My pleasure. And also we have C.L. Mayhew, which stands for Clu. Don't do that again. He is the newest member of Blue Diver Search and Recovery, and we are over the moon to have him in here with us to talk about what he knows, what he does, why he does it, and who he is. So Rusty, tell us a little bit about who you are and why you hear. Well, back in December 23rd, 1973, excuse me, my sister decided she wanted to do some last-minute Christmas shopping and she went over to pick my mother up and my mother couldn't go because she could take care of my dad, he had cancer, he was at the shop, she had to go up there and be with him. And what kind of cancer did your dad have? We had melanoma. It spread all the way to his brain. metastasized. He was only 39 years old. Holy crap. He was too young for that. But definitely. So she called Renee from my mother's house and went over to Renee's grandmother's house to pick Renee up. What are their last names? Renee Wilson, Julie Ann Mosley is the nine-year-old recently talked about and then my sister is Mary Rachel Trelisa. I can never figure out how to pronounce that name. A lot of reporters over the years have had trouble with it. It just aches me and when somebody goes, "Trelica." That's what I always thought it was with Trelica. Yeah, it was Trelisa. Trelisa. Okay. And well, when Rachel got over there to pick Renee up, well, Julie come out to the truck, to the car and said, "I want to go with y'all." Well, they say, "Well, you got to go call your mom and ask permission." And she did. And she bagged and bagged and bagged and bagged and bagged. Her mother finally said, "Yes." And that's the last time she ever saw her hurt from her daughter. Wow. But they left there and they went to Army Navy store first and pick up some bell bottom blue jeans, hip-hugger bell bottom blue jeans. I think it was Renee had them in their way. Right. So everybody picked those jeans up and they went to the mall. And we think they left the mall around 1230 and went back home just for a few minutes. And I'm not sure about what happened after that. You know, they just vanished and we never. I never knew they went back home. Yeah. Yeah, we have a deposition from a person that told us that she met them back at the house. Oh, wow. Okay. And actually, she told us it was to pick up Sean. Sean was Tommy's two-year-old son, Rachel's stepson. So his mother was supposed to back and pick him up. We never identified Sean as even being with the girls. We had Terry Mosley, which is Julian Mosley's brother. He came out to the car and he was talking to the girls and I asked him years and years and years later, like 40 years later. I said, when you went out to that car and you talked to Renee and Rachel, did you see a kid in the car? No, I didn't. There was no kid in that car. And I'm going, "Where the hell is Sean?" She's supposed to have been dropped back off it, you know. So it was the morning time when they went over there and then she says she's supposed to go pick up Sean. It, you know, around one o'clock at Rachel's house, it was Sean. Never was seen, never was picked up, nothing. So what happened after that, do you think? I don't know. They just disappeared and there's thin air and we're never heard from again. That's right. What kind of headway has been made on the case since then? Well, what have you done in terms of hunting for him? I can't tell you how many holes I've dug. I can't tell you how many lakes I've surfed. It's too many. Talk to me a little bit about the lake searches. What do you do? Where we got the cars out of the lake? Well, we went out there with a guy named Dennis Waters in the beginning. I had the idea of the appropriate name for searching the lake. I thought it was kind of cute. He had a boat with a really good sonar on it, real good stuff. And he was the best sonar technician in Texas, I say even in the world, right? He taught sonar to all the police around the game wardens and stuff like that. But he came out here, we called him and told me we wanted to search Ben Brook Lake because a friend of mine told me that they think there's a possibility that there might be a car in the lake, you know? We were missing a car from one of our suspects. He was missing a car, so it made sense that they could possibly be in that lake. That's when the dive team got involved. And we decided, you know, well, let's go back to where Dennis Waters checked the lake. Within 20 minutes, we found three cars. Boom, boom, boom. Found out three cars. And he must be good at that sonar business. Oh, yeah, he was the best. You know, he's recently died though. So that's unfortunate that was going to look him up and see if he could tune up my sonar for me. Yeah, well, he's gone. And that was a sad day. I like it. But anyway, we found those three cars and then the dive team got involved. And they, I had one dive team before, before weighing in his dive team, I had another dive team go down and they actually were the ones that dove on the cars for the first time. Who was the dive team you sent down the first time called their names? Did they have a group name? Like, no, I was just three individuals. Okay. But the they dove on the cars twice. And the second time they stayed down so long, they made yourself sick. They got sick and they wasn't going back down. Wow. I guess I guess they wouldn't experience this way in here. I don't know. Well, Wayne is a pretty, pretty experienced diver. Well, we got, we got the dive team, that's what the second dive team. They dove on the cars. They brought up pieces of the cars. Matter of fact, I have some of those pieces of cars I'm not living in right now, just as memorabilia. Do you have a license plate I could talk you out of? From the cars? Yeah, no. We didn't find any license plates on this cars, did we? No, we got some rust. A lot of rust. A lot of rust. Well, we come up, they come up with a plan that they were going to pull the cars. And they did, right? We had benefits. We took donations. They raised the property. I think it was $15,000. The dive team rose. I didn't raise that. Wow. It was a lot of money. Wait, wait, wait. Rusty helped, though. It got up and saying. I did. I sang my songs. I did. Faying your heart out, I'm sure. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He said it good. And I wasn't drinking either. Can you still perform? No. Okay. I only play with myself nowadays. That sounds bad. It was supposed to you, Wayne. We're not overseen by the FCC. So, you know, you can say whatever you want, be gentle with it. Well, anyway, we dove on the cars. They brought me pieces of the cars. And we identified the pieces they brought up. What years making model was not the car we were looking for. And we knew that before we dove on them to pull them. I remember hearing somebody say they could see on the stonar that one of them was an old Impala. 1963 Impala. Yeah. Yeah. It was. And that, they set the way to fill the part. Yeah, because it was Lincoln. We got the Lincoln and the, what was the other? Yeah. Mark. Mark 4. Mark 4, I think. Mark 4 was Lincoln. Yeah. No, that was the one that was in the code. Yeah. It weighed like 12,000. They had all two links on top of it. Brick on top of it? Oh. Somebody dumped a whole load of bricks on top of that car. Why? I don't know. But I have what I'm in my house. My mother has one. That's weird. I've got five. I like to keep memorabilia from each search that we do. Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. And I've got a lot of it. It's only been 49 years, right? Yeah, that's not that long. Only half a century. Yeah. December 23rd of this year will be 49 years. It's been a long time. But, well, you know, funny stuff happens on anniversaries sometimes. Well, I got married on December 23rd. Yeah. They say I did that to break the curse of Christmas past. Because everything bad happened to my family on the 23rd. Did it work? Nothing bad has happened since. It's been 32 years. Well, congratulations, man. I'm glad that you were able to lift that curse. That's good stuff. Yeah, 32 years. Could have found a finer woman. That's good. That's really good. Yeah. I did really good in that direction. But I got lucky. I should say, she turned my life around. And she's really special. Right on. That's good. Back to the cars. We got the cars out. I can't remember what that third car was. We had a motor in the trunk. Corvair. Corvair. Ah, yes. Sandbags on the front wheel wells. 1960 Corvair? What? It was a 60 model. 1960 Corvair. We got the VIN number and ran it. And we got hits on both those cars on the VIN numbers. I don't have that information. Were they stolen? What was the Lincoln was stolen? Really? Yeah. It was stolen. They went for a joy ride, just drove it off in the lake. And we found the trail at the very top where the cars could drive off. That thing's been... Where are that cars? Where they could get to it? That's been chained off for since 1978, I think. That must have been a spectacular destruction. When they drove that car off and watched it careen into the lake. Cried it off to the cliff. Wow. The Lincoln was stolen. I found the names of the people that owned the Corvair. I can't remember that. It was three years ago. It didn't mean anything, so we just didn't document that. We didn't need to. So you didn't go around any of the people who the cars belonged to documented owners and be like, "Who was that in your car?" The people that owned the Lincoln, it was a brand new Lincoln back then. And they just reported stolen. I guess it got replaced. But I talked to the grandchild. The people that owned the car did the deceased, so yeah. But that's pretty much where we are with that. And nothing ever came of what you brought out of the lake. There were no clues, there were no evidence, there was nothing concrete tying any of those cars to this case. Okay, so what led up to the lake search? Wayne, maybe you can give us a little bit of insight on that. What led up to searching that lake for those cars? What sort of preparation did you have to go through in order to prepare yourself to do these black water searching recoveries of these sunken vehicles? I mean, I'm sure you were familiar with airbags and compressors and all that before you got to this job, right? I was real familiar with all that. The hardest part was some of the team that we had. They've been in black water before, but not many times. To get them to acclimate theirself, if you want to call it that, the surroundings, what we had to go down and do, and then work in kind of like sitting at this table here and we're trying to bring it to the surface. To get people to get these guys to, it was tough. I'm going to leave out the middle part of that, but yeah. What kind of conditions did you face in the course of doing these dives? Very dangerous conditions. Like what? Tell me a little bit about them. Man, one, I remember, this is when we went back a secret time per rusty. I got it in the car. You got in the car? I've been in the car in the back seat. You know, those older cars, they got them, I call it S springs in the back seats. Those will grab you wet suit. I promise you, they'll grab everything on you. We had, I showed you the hole in my pants. Oh yeah. I think I had a hole in my rear end. We had one guy, I mean, there's two divers down on this car. One guy's going in the trunk and he's checking it thoroughly. I mean, we're not coming up. He's bringing anything that he thinks might. We got bags. We're putting stuff in. Right. Well, I'm inside the car. Nothing's more eerie than sitting in the back of a car, checking, checking the foot, what's left of the floor. And he feels someone's hand kind of around and kind of rub on your neck and go like, you know, up on top of your head, you know, who was that? Got AJ. We called him preacher. He was, you know, was he just messing with you or? No, no, he was, he's doing, he's supposed to be doing, he's failing around. I just got, I didn't know. I couldn't tell where you're at in this car. It just gives me the credence. At that time, I didn't know why I was hung up either. Yeah. I sat down trying to get, I was trying, I couldn't get the door on the passenger side open. So I went in on the driver's side and you went through the window or a door? Well, I pulled the door. It felt like it almost come off the car, but it was just because where it was mounted was severely rusted. What do you got to get this rushed? Well, it sticks you in the rear end. Yeah. Take the shot comes to mind. Anyway, long, long, long, long, long, long, long story short on all that stuff. We checked the car as best we could. I mean, it was thorough. Yeah, we didn't find anything. No bones, no hair, no bones, no. No, no, no evidence at all that anyone had been in that car when the car went into the water. No, we have after the cars came out, we got them on the record. Who was the record service during the Thomas towing? Thomas towing and Silver Star record. Silver Star record. Yeah. I know Barry. I've done a wallet dive for Barry. Sorry. I'll be honest with you. Barry, first of all, Barry probably isn't listening. I used Silver Star once upon a time when I had no one else to call and I was really stuck out. He came and took care of me, but got to tell you, it felt nice. Did it come with a price though? Oh, yeah. It felt really nice the day he called me and said, "Man, I need your help." He's a good guy. Do you know what Barry? I can do that. I'm going to charge you for it, but I can do that. It felt good to finally have a tow truck driver over a barrel instead of the other way around. A lot of them forget Barry, when Jeff, the leader of the team, he come up and said, "Hey, man, we may need a rotator cup to pull this thing out. It may be more than what a flat bed can pull out of the water and load." Barry had one sitting there all day long, all day long, just waiting here. And somehow somebody ordered pizza, nobody this day knows who ordered pizza. I could answer that question. Who was that? Pizza Hut, right here in Bartless, I believe it was, donated to all those pizzas. No kidding. I don't want to change the subject, do we have any control over the air conditioner in here? Why is it cold? Well, I feel like I'm making ice cubes over here. I'll tell you what, in 10 minutes, 45 seconds, I'll go adjust it. I'm going to snuggle with somebody here. Stay away. Oh, come on, man. He's a big, warm teddy bear. Yeah, I don't know about all that. Well, we got the cars out of the lake, and we took them to a not disclosed, secret location. And I still won't tell anybody that today where it was. But we went through the cars with a fine tooth comb. Let me interrupt you for this session. I don't know if my list is out there familiar with what it takes to pull a sunken, 30-year, sunken rusted car 40 years out of the lake. It is filled with mud and muck and gunk. It is coming apart and stinks. And yeah, oh, it stinks to high heaven. Oh, my God. I don't know if y'all are familiar with what it takes. The absolute monumental undertaking that this sort of thing is. But the tow truck that they must have had on hand for this thing is a freaking beast. Just wanted to put that in there for you. Those tow truck drivers, man, I commend them, JD from Thomas. Man, they donated their time. Yes, they did. Oh, wow, that's awesome. Yes, they did. And, you know, get a shout out to Pizza Hutford. Oh, absolutely. Everybody there got fed pizza. Everybody got a pizza to buy. Pizza to buy. I remember talking to the record driver that was over the rotator cut truck, the biggest one that would actually drag the driver. Rotator cut. Well, I forgot what they call them. They go. I don't know what I didn't. It's got a it's got a crane. I don't think it goes 360. Oh, wow. I think they called a rotator cup. Pretty sure. Anyway, this thing pulling God to him out. The guy was the guy said, he said, man, I'm off at five o'clock. And I said, Oh, okay. I guess you got a replacement coming or something. And he was done. I'm gonna stay him. I'll stay till this is done. Oh, that's cool. This guy worked with Silver Star record. I don't know what his name was. But he said he was there to help until it was done until Rusty didn't need to help no more. That's awesome. I'll tell you what, there's probably 150 people out there that day. Yeah, they showed up to help. There was no just spectators. There was more like 350, because some came and went. They couldn't take the cold, the rain. Oh, you think there was that many people? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What time of year did you do this? What month was it? It was cold. And when that rain came in, I was on it was warm. Why do you wait till cold time? It got a tornado, two miles from us. We're gonna have to dive in. Wow. Yeah. And they wouldn't give up, huh? Uh-uh. They wouldn't call it. They wouldn't just say, you know what? What does the rain gonna get the divers wet? Yeah, it's gonna get a wet. It only takes one lightning strike. I know. It'll ruin everybody's day. Yeah. They were extremely dedicated and extremely appreciated. Now, there was a documentary done about this whole scenario, wasn't there? There was it. I don't know whatever happened to it. I never saw it. It's on YouTube. Call to finish the journey, finish the journey. It's on YouTube. Who was that guy on the documentary? Do you remember his name? I forget his name. I told you. Yeah. He did a pretty job. Like I told you when I called you a while ago, I don't remember a lot of these people. There's so many of them. Yeah. Well, I didn't remember who you were. Yeah. I was a little miffed about that. Do you remember who I was? Well, but that's all right. That's all right. I just, there's so, so many people wanted to help. Right. It's so. So many people came to help that we couldn't, they didn't have anything to do. Well, Rusty, the reason I brought you on the show this evening was because I want to, I feel personally connected to you and the case because of my history with Wayne and you and the former captain of the dive team. And I want to make sure that this case doesn't die. It's not going to die. I'm not going to let that happen. Well, I want to do what I can. And I've, you know, with a platform and with a business to help, I wanted to make sure that I could reach out and have a part in it and make sure that I'm doing my part to make sure it doesn't die. So I want to thank you again for coming in. Well, I appreciate that. Well, what happened after we, oh yeah, we got, I want to get back to the cars. Okay. Yeah. Got distracted again. That happens, yeah. We took the cars to the location and we had a professional forensic team there. Yeah. They had the screens to set up the water hoses every, they had everything because they were professionals. Right. We went through those cars with a fine tooth. Consifted everything. We took five gallon buckets and filled them up and sifted everything. I was over there sifting myself, you know, we found, we found a bone, but it was ended up being a fish bone. It was a cart bone, a cart, yeah, a cart. And we identified that and, but we found some change in glove department. Let's stop you there, Rusty. I remember the car that we brought up, the, the money that was in it was newer. Was it newer than the car or older than the car? It was, it was confusing how that money ended up in that car. I don't recall. It seems like it would be confusing if the money was newer than the car. I believe that's what it was. But it would be determined by when the car might have been reported stolen as to how the money wound up in there, because I can have a 2010 bill in my excursion and drive it off into the truck. It's not confusing at all. There was something about, it was a dime. That's all I remember. I mean, it kind of threw a red flag up for a little bit. Well, go ahead, sir. We went through these cars. We got all the mud out. We sprayed them down. We cleaned them up. We took everything out of them. We let them, we got nothing. But I was over there, washing all this, that stink, the filth. We call it the boo-foo. It's nasty, nasty. Well, I'm thankful I can't smell in the water. It was so bad. The doctor had to remove 10 styes off my eye. 10. Dude, what now? It caused an infection in my eye and caused styes to come up. I had to have surgery to remove the styes. Yeah, I never knew that. I never knew it could cause an infection like that. It must have, it's the only thing it could have. I can take, let me stop you, Rusty, for a second. When we were digging around those cars, we had boats up on top, and we took turns going out there in the evening times after we got off work to dig around these cars. We were sitting on the boat. I think this is one of the times Rusty wasn't there and had some of the other volunteers helping us and stuff. But the boats were on the surface and they said they had to back off three and four hundred feet because they couldn't stand the smell when we were digging with shovels around that stuff. We couldn't smell it because we had full-faced masks. We could, we could lightly smell it. But man, we come to the surface and pull our mask off. Man, we thought we were in the sewer. It was terrible. It was bad. And when that car broke loose from the bottom, oh boy. Without a mask to come up with it. Well, there was a porta potty into that car. I don't promise you that. Well, sorry everybody. I thought I turned that off. That's your girlfriend. You know what? Honey, that didn't happen. You want me to turn your ringer off for you? Yes, do that. All right. I'm gonna go ahead and do that. We stopped by and talked to her. I'll tell Rusty didn't show up. Probably wouldn't be taking very humor. Yeah, nothing funny about you. You don't know my wife. You're right. I don't. Anyway, go ahead Rusty. We got all the cars cleaned up and determined that we didn't find anything, right? And well, then we got to go, what do we do with these cars? Yeah, what do we do with them now? I want to take the Corvette, but my front yard because it was so cool looking. Do you remember it? Oh, yeah. That car's cool looking. The Corvette had the engine in the back end of the car. And I remember they had to put sandbags on the front wheel wells of the car to maintain the wheels traction when you're going around corners because the back end of the car was so heavy. If you got going too quick, the front end would lift up. You had no traction on the front end. Couldn't break, couldn't steer. Yeah, I remember the Corvette. I worked on a bunch of them when I was a kid. It was just cool. The way it rushed it, it was just like a piece of art. Yeah. And if the city eventually would have let me do it, I would have had some sweet patina to it. Well, we ended up taking those cars and hiring somebody to come up, cut out and cut them up into small pieces and then resettled them. Right on. And they did it just for the battle. Scrap value, huh? Yep. Cool. But those cars are gone and they'll never be an issue again. But that pretty much ends the dive, right? We did go back a few times and redive on that third car. Tell me about some of the other people that you've had involved in this case, like adventures with purpose, for example. What did they do for you? And where were they? Well, you know, they didn't come down here strictly for me. They came down here to search the lakes. And then they ended up diving on Ben Brook again because they thought they might be able to do a better job of us than we did on that third car. Now, I met him out there, I told him, basically, we don't know. Who did you meet out there, Jared? Jared? Yeah. Leasek? Yes. Okay. So it's always better to have someone else come in behind and check. I didn't have a problem with that. I didn't know what they were going to find. Deborah Bruce has just said that Randy is the name of the journalist who documented the dives, creating finish of journey. So thank you, Deborah. I appreciate that. If you have his last name, I would love to get in touch with him. That's a good girl. Yeah. Who is Deborah Bruce? Thank you, Deborah. She's one of the administrators on our Facebook page. Oh, well, thank you, Deborah Bruce. Welcome to the show. And feel free to call in if you have anything to add at 1-7-6-3-7-2-5-8-5. We'd be happy to have, you know, to listen to anything you might have to say about the case. We're here, Deborah, if you want to talk. Send pizza. You might want to wait until after the commercial break. We got 40 seconds left and then we're going to break for a commercial and then feel free to call in. Well, we went back on that third car and checked it again. Wayne did, went in it, all around it, and then a vicious repurposed come out and they agreed with us after they dove on it that yeah, there's no way with that car coming out. And there's nothing in it. They checked that. You know, they checked the car again. So that car's been checked a lot. Now, do they dove Lake Worth also, right? They dove. They drove, uh, dokomo Lakekomo. We were talking about Lakekomo last week. They got like six cars out of Lakekomo. So that doesn't surprise me. Two of the cars head through the cars head. We're going to break for a minute. We'll come back after about a minute and a half commercials. Stay tuned. Information from the Diabetes Solutions Center for you, a family member or a loved one suffering with diabetes. If you've lost your provider or if you need a provider for diabetic supplies, you may qualify to receive your diabetic testing supplies now with little or no out-of-pocket cost regardless of your age. 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I had to break for station ID and commercials and all that. I've almost got that thing memorized, believe it or not. Now it doesn't it? We had to turn the heater on. Every time I take a picture of that commercial and I go home to memorize it, they change it. So I just said, "All right, well, I'll just start reading it from the copy every time." And then if I don't memorize it, they leave it just the way it is. Works every time. All right, Wayne, tell us a little bit about how you and I got hooked up together, how you and I met. Tell us about how our paths crossed a little bit, if you will. It was a dark alley. Don't tell people that. I got to lake one day. I got there early. We were going to be doing some training. I know some students were supposed to show up. I always got there early trying to get the pavilion. So the pavilion was a big covered awning that we stayed up under. Keep all the students out of the sun. Keep all your gear somewhere, Sage. Well, you didn't have to worry about it out there. It was pretty safe out there. I remember asking you about that big fancy roll-around gear tote that you had. I still have it. I said, "Wayne, do I need to get me one of those?" No, you'll probably never have as much gear as I have. He said, "You don't want one of these. You don't need one of these dope buck. Now I have a whole boat and truffle all around instead of a gearbox." The problem with having one of those things is if you get something like that and you feel like you have to fill it up, so now you've got to fill up a boat. Yeah. It's been an issue. We still have one of them roll-around deals. Yeah, we do, don't we? Yes. It's in the ambulance that we've also filled with dive gear. Ambulance, so you guys are ready, huh? Oh, yeah. We have a... You know what? That had been brook lake a few weeks ago, were you? Oh, yeah. I saw y'all out there in that ambulance. The yellow and white one? I think it was yellow and white. Yeah, that's my truck. That's my dive truck. My dive rig. What are y'all doing out there? We get so many calls out there. It's hard to say. It might have been a phone. It might have been an earring. It might have been a wallet. I don't know. It was probably a phone. What else was that for? We were camping out there like we could get all kinds of stuff, man. He don't want to say it. Man, Annie. Hey, there's one thing that we left out. Well, no, no, we didn't finish talking about how we crossed paths. I think this is more important than we'll hit it. Rusty about the reward? Oh, yes. We didn't even go over that, did we? We need to hit that. Wow. We've recently... Well, we're getting sick of tireless. Oh, by the way, thank you, Brent Debra for the information about Mr. Bell, the owner of Spartan Media Texas, and Brenda, a real nice guy. I'm not who you're talking about, but probably talking about Randy or Wayne or Rusty or me or Junior or... But thank you. All right, go ahead. Sorry. What was I saying? I don't know. Distracted from the reward. Oh, yeah. We've recently had a private donor or a private person put up $50,000 for a reward for the information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons that have done this, and/or who could find the girls or tell us where to find them and bring them home. We don't even have to have a conviction. We just want to bring them home. Thank you, Brenda. Yeah. Thank you. $50,000 out to whoever can bring information to this case to bring those girls home or that leads to the arrest and/or conviction of the person or persons responsible. And the money's real. I've held it in my hands. It's a lot of money. Yeah. It's kept at the bank. I would hope so. Yeah. It's not where anybody can get to it. It's a shame that we live in a time where a reward is what gets people to do the right thing. Well, it loosens up lips. It does, yes. It sure does. If they don't feel comfortable with going to the police, I'd rather they go to the police. They could come to me. They can private message me on Facebook page or anything like that. But just no, it's probably going to go to the police because they're the ones that we do and there's not me. Yeah, they're the ones that they're doing the footwork aren't they? But they can remain anonymous when they talk to the police at that right. Absolutely. And they could have made an announcement when he talked to me. But if anybody's out there that wants to relay a message through Ryan or Rusty or me or a sidekick. Anyone, really? Anybody. Well, we're just don't be shy about it. It's been 49 years. It's time. We've been through this our whole life. The nine-year-old girl would be almost a senior citizen by now. Yeah. Yeah. It's time. It's time. So, several years ago, Dan James, the private investigator that had this case for so long, he's deceased now, he offered a $25,000 reward. What kind of headway did he make on the case? He got a lot of information. A lot. I don't remember all the information so much. But yeah, this $50,000 reward is getting some attention too. I would imagine so. But then, eventually, just retracted the reward. I went online and told everybody that the reward was no more. Somebody out there knows something like important fingers. Someone has to know something. Yeah. I'm positive. Come on and talk. There's people out there that know what happened. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Positive. It's incredible when you start flashing cash like that, what people are going to do and say. Yeah, at the same time, you have to be able to filter through what BS and what isn't. Oh, been doing it all my life. I imagine you have. I can't imagine the crazy people that have come up to me or call me or contacted me. I can't even tell you how many people. But I would say at least 50% of the people are complete nuts. They're complete nut jobs. They have nothing to do with it, nothing no idea, nothing. And they're just fishing around and seeing what they can get. Yeah, wow. I've spent hours and hours on the phone with people who didn't know anything. I had a girl tell me one time. She knows her boyfriend did it. She's sure of it. She's positive of it. Couldn't prove a thing. Had nothing to go on at all. Spent hours on the phone. And people, that happened a lot. But it's settled down now. I've kind of gone dark because I just want to live my life. So what I do, I just keep it. At some point, you have to. I just keep to myself. And I don't go live on Facebook anymore like I used to. I may again someday, you know, don't be surprised if I do, but I don't have any intentions to or nothing to say. Well, I would like to say right here, right now, that Blue Diver Searching Recovery is there if you ever need us. We will go down anywhere you want us to. We'll search anything you point at. We'll do everything we can to help you rescue. All right. I don't forget that, please. I appreciate that. I really do. We're all these more people like y'all. Well, we're doing what we can. But, you know, we've had, I've got stories. I could stay here for hours and tell stories about what we did, what we've done in the past. You know, I've got a big old, big old piece of petrified wood that's in my aquarium right now. It's one of my souvenirs from one of the searches. We searched the Wilhoyt Ranch out in Weatherford. And I was out in the, we thought Wilhoyt killed Karl Walker. Bill was Karl Walker. You never heard of Karl Walker case? It was probably before my time. It was right around the time my sister disappeared. And no, I've never heard of the cave. Wow. They just solved it. They just made it a rest. No kidding. No, it was a couple of years ago. Was it that long ago? Yeah, time last year. Yeah, time last year. You know, let me think for yourself. Anyway, we were searching the Wilhoyt Ranch because he had, Wilhoyt had admitted basically to a detective named John Terrell. Is this any relation to Wilhoyt's grapevine? No, okay. No. He had told Detective John Terrell that, you know, John Terrell worked robbery and he walked in to the room where this guy was Wilhoyt. He had been arrested for a robbery or something. And uh, Wilhoyt, he said something effective. I was wondering when y'all would come after me. And he goes, for what? For Karl Walker's barter. And then somebody walked in, the guy shut, Wilhoyt shut up and never said anything else about it again. For years, we thought that Wilhoyt was the one that got Karl and possibly our girls. We searched his ranch. He didn't live there. His parents did, I think. And help. We went into the house and we found ropes on the end of the bed, blood stains right by the ropes, tested it for blood. It was blood. And the house hadn't been entered in 30 years. And he just sat there and everything was preserved. Wow. But uh, I was walking through them. They weren't able to pull a DNA match off of it. They never proceeded. We took the evidence to the police that I didn't ever do anything with it. I don't know. I don't want to get into that. But anyway, but that's a clue that was never followed up on the very well could have something to do with the Fort Worth trio. Possible, not likely knowing what I know now. Gotcha. Okay. Um, but it ended up, Wilhoyt didn't kill Karl Walker. It was that guy they just arrested. I can't remember his name, do you? No, I don't. Why would he have said that to the detective now? I don't know. Maybe he was involved with it. The detective made it up. Huh? I don't know. You never know what people might say. Right. I don't know. He's dead now. Uh, Wilhoyt still alive, but here's not a person of interest anymore. You know, we pretty much rolled him out. The Wilhoyt, the one who confessed is still alive. Yeah. What's his first name? William Ted, Wilhoy. William Ted, Wilhoy. Okay. Yeah. Uh, but he's, he's cleared. He's cleared. He's okay. You know, um, but anyway, I was out in the forest looking around because there's a hundred acre ranch and I walked up on this tree. It was a petrified tree, the whole tree 30 foot long about this big around. I've never seen like my life. Been there a long time. Been a long time. Long time. And, uh, I looked down and I saw a piece of it broken off about this big, right? Glenn McCurley killed Karl Walker February 1974 from Deborah Bruce. There you go. There's Deborah, Glenn McCurley. And when was the arrest a couple of years ago? He said, yeah, Wayne said a couple of years ago. I thought it was sooner than that, but William what? William Ted, Wilhoyt. I don't know how to spell Wilhoyt. W-I-L-A-H-O-I-T-E. I think this will be you. I think this is one of my favorite bars in grapevine. We'll do it later. Um, no, no big deal. I see, I see this tree. Uh, a piece of it broke off. I said, man, I'd like to have that. And I walked away. We get ready to leave. I jumped to the bed of the truck to ride up to my camper. Somebody took that piece of wood and put it in my truck, one of the volunteers. For me to have a souvenir. Without you having mentioned that you wanted it? I said I'd like to have that, but I- and they grabbed it. I didn't know they did, but they did it. It's kind of a surprise for me. Well, that was nice of them. Yeah, it's in my aquarium to this day. It is beautiful. I bet. I found a lot of, uh, petrified wood in the bottoms of the Brazos River. That's a hard bottom river. It's, it's loaded from one end of the other with petrified wood. Really? Yeah. I never do that. You can reclaim it and sell it. Huh. Because it's in a public waterway, you can dig it up and keep it and sell it if you want to. Yeah. That's pretty cool. I'll stick to digging up cores. I'll stick to staying on the boat watching you dig up cores. And grabbing at the guys digging it for four cars. So $50,000, 50,000 has been put up by an anonymous donor for any information leading to the arrest, conviction, or just evidence of what happened to the girls to bring them home. That's absolutely incredible. That a benefactor with that much has stepped up and said, yeah, I'll do this. That it gives me chills. That's awesome that people come together that way. Man, I've got so many people to support me on this case. It's, I have a whole network of people and y'all are dialing it. Don't forget that, man. 24/7. And if you like, I need divers. I tell you this, I'm not going public anymore. I don't blame you with what's going on. I don't want no attention. I don't blame you at all. Somebody can get hurt. Definitely. Definitely. And we don't need that. We don't want that. We don't need that. That's right. Rick, if you're listening out there, I want to tell you, I respect your opinion and all that, but leave me in my radio show alone. That's all for that. Okay. I'm pretty sure you're listening. Just put that out there. Wayne, tell me a little bit about how you and I cross paths. Let's touch on that for just a second. I told you it was a dark alley, but all right. Nobody out there believes that. I guess it starts with you signing up for wanting to be a diver. Yeah, chasing a dream I had. You chasing a dream? You shared that with me when we, I showed up early at Wheeler Branch and I'd been there about an hour and a half or so, trying to get that pavilion thing that people stay under all time. We have a pretty big class, so we needed that coverage. And I showed up on a motorcycle with flip flops and swimming. Yeah, a few other things. Me and you got to talking and, you know, signing something ins and outs. I could tell you, you're pretty excited by the whites of your eyes. And then, you know, we're fast forward to the water. Wouldn't we nickname you locomotives? Locomotives. Yeah, you were, this guy was swimming around like a sword fishing on the water. I told you, he said, "Man, I'm going to be doing that black water stuff and blah, blah, blah." I think you told me that Mike had shared with you what I'd been doing or something about, you know, black water diving. And so, you were all excited to talk about that. I said, "Man, you're going to have to slow down, dude. You can't dive like that in black water." He said, "Oh, you know, I'll figure it out." And I said, "Well, you're going to figure it out, all right?" So, we got out there and I guess you got, well, if I'm not mistaken, they gave me split vein fins to dive with on my very first dive underwater that wasn't in a pool. Well, yeah, well, and that might have been that's beginner's training. A little hazy going on, huh? But, you know, I have to say that the split vein fins are fast. Oh, are they? Yeah. From what I remember of your dive in that day, you were probably the top dog in the class. Really? Yeah, that's what I see. Wow. Well, thank you for that. You weren't, you just show any fear. Ain't no fear and they ain't no room for fear in this. Well, the only thing you need is some fins on the side of you so you look like a fish, but you did good. You did good. I remember them coming to me because we had to take turns, fill in that little sheets and stuff and me being an assistant instructor, I had to fill out so much stuff and sign some things, turn it over to my instructor so they can sign off on him. And I told him at that time, they usually ask us, I volunteered it though, they didn't ask me. I said he doesn't need any, he got it, you know. He doesn't need a babysitter. Yeah, he don't need a babysitter. He said, "So, you feel comfortable taking him out there, you know, and showing him the tree?" I think they wanted us to take you to the tree and he said. Yeah, Christmas tree. Yeah, did you, well, did the big tree way out there, did we make it out there? Yes, we did. Me and you and Kevin. Yeah, Kevin. Yeah. The only guy that would dive with 20 pounds of air, I'll make you, I'm not making a joke. Man, I'm telling you. He went down with 600 pounds to the bottom of this tree. You need every bit of 1000 pounds and he comes back up with pulling his mask off. 25 PSI left. You know, he's flopping around like a thing. He ain't got no air. He didn't even do a safety stuff. I don't think. So, I was over at Kevin's house. We were going over used gear and I was getting ready to buy my Z Eagle and all my, all my first set of gear. I was so excited to be a diver and I've never looked back. But I was over at his house and he goes, "Let me show you a cool way to put on your dive gear." And I said, "Okay." So, he had the gear standing up in his living room. He'd been over and he put his arms through the arm holes of the gear set and he picked the tank up from the back of it on the bottom and then he stood up and hoisted all of this over his head and it landed on his spine. The tank hit him in the spine and were it not for going to the doctor to have that spine x-ray done from where it hit him so hard. He would never have found out he had cancer. Oh, wow. Yeah. Really? That was an interesting little turn of events there. Cancer's not our friend. No, it's not at all. He would never have found it if it hadn't been for the day when he put that gear on and it cracked his spine that way and laid him up for something like two weeks. He couldn't move, but had it not been for going to the doctor to have a spine looked at, they would never have seen it. So, things do work out for two to sleep. Man, upstairs works in mysterious ways. Doesn't he? Yes, he does. I had no idea that meeting you for my instructor, my assistant instructor that day at Wheeler Branch that seven years on, you know, we'd still be talking. We'd still be hanging out and hopefully diving again soon together. We'll do something together. Come out to Eagle Mountain Lake, we'll put you on the chum stain and show you some interesting stuff. I'll keep you up busy. Come on. Hey, man. Come on. We're collecting rust. Our downtime is underwater anyway. That's what we do for fun. That's what we do for work. Put us on it, man. Let's do it. Let's go. Whenever you're ready. Very soon. Okay. We'll be back in town on Monday, Monday evening. And then we'll be doing fourth of July on Eagle Mountain, watching fireworks from the boat. And Tuesday will be... We need to initiate him once he gets his certifications. I take him down there and let him grab ahold of a catfish. I came noodling. He can't grab my nowhere but to tell. Yeah. He tried to tell me one day last week, he said, "Yeah, I was diving." And a big old catfish swam right up to my mask. I said, "You're full of shit. There's no way." And what it was? He said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." "Wait, wait for me." I said, "There's no way." I said, "There ain't no freaking way." I said, "This catfish is the most skittish fish in the water. You can't get anywhere near him. You scarcely touch them. They're gone and a cloud of mud." But where we were at is this guy feeds catfish right there beside his boat. But as soon as you get in the water, they all disappear. Most dangerous fish out there is a diver's enemy. It's going to be a gour. An alligator gour on top of that. Why? A little teeth on him, teeth on him. He ain't coming after you though. He don't want nothing to do with you. In that black water? Yeah. He don't know you're there. He don't know what you are. He knows you're bigger than he is and you're blowing bubbles. I'm not blowing no bubbles. I don't know what you're doing down there. I'm not blowing them. I'm just letting go. I don't really want to let them go as I do. The only thing I've ever, I have never encountered anything on the water except maybe a gator that was a threat. Well, that's because you got bumped. Yeah, they just bump you. They don't even open their mouth. What's going bumpy? The gators. He can bump me one time. He bumped him three times and he came up. No, not in one day. What lake was that? Eagle mountain. Wow. Yeah, they'll bump you if you get in their territory, but they have never been attacked. I've never actually seen one in the bumping. I've seen one swim by in the course of other work, but I've never seen one when he actually bumped me. But you can tell it. If you tell by his suit, he was full of something. Oh, you can feel the heft. Where's that? That's by Kenneth Copeland. Where? North of Kenneth Copeland's place on Eagle Mountain Lake. Oh, okay. Picture of six gators after a storm, sticking your head up to the surface. I should like, I'm not getting in. Well, I mean, if you get attacked by an alligator in any lake in Texas, you'll be the most famous mofo in Texas because it just doesn't happen. They've been here. They're natural to this area. What's the word I'm looking for? They're. Native. Native. Thank you. They're native to the area. First sighting was in 1850. I graduated. And how many gator attacks have you ever heard of in Texas? They've heard of one. Yeah. They happen in Florida because there's 10,000 to one compared to here. You've got maybe, but who wants to be the first? 15 alligators in the entirety of Eagle Mountain Lake because they police their own population. The big ones eat little ones. Yeah, they're in Eagle Mountain Lake. They're extremely territorial. Well, there's a sailboat, a little small sailboat marine in Lakeworth. Yeah. The old boat and ski club. You don't talk about? Yeah. I've been on this. There's just a few select sailboats. I mean, there's not very many. They're not newer models or anything. Some of them have been sitting there for quite a while. Dairy life. Yeah. But I'll tell you right now, there's a gator in there. There's a two. I've seen a about a two foot gator. Is that where we went? No. I was sitting in the kayak one day right there where those deals are, where they walk across a little walk, whether you just have a wooden dealer went up to the little dock there. Right. They could take off. I think it was like more for security. Like a gangway? Yeah. Yeah. I'm sitting right there one day and my kayak goes, it kind of like lifted up and went back down. You got bumped. And I was like, I'm not seeing any of these. I sit there for a few minutes and then the next thing I know, it kind of goes up and it kind of pushes me towards shore. You know, well, I'm in between, I don't know, there's about four feet between the boats and where the shoreline is. And I'm like, I got a trolling motor on hooked up, but if the battery's not even hooked up, so I know it's not shorting out or anything. I'm like, why don't keep moving? Yeah, he come up and showed his head. Well, I'll tell you what, I need that trolling motor. Make it pop her up a little bit. I held on the kayak and then went with my hands here. But because I didn't know why he was bumping, you know, they had to pull the seat cover out of your butt. The whole seat, probably. That's why you tell me to sit and survey for 20 minutes. Right. When we do a dive at Lakeworth, I tell him, don't load your shit. Don't put it together. Don't do anything. When you get to the water's edge, you just sit there and you just watch. You watch your area, you look for snakes, you look for alligators, you look for any kind of predator that could give you a bad day. And that's only Lakeworth. We don't have to do that anymore. The amount I'm just in, and I'm ready. Well, I'm going to share some of you guys, means you're out there in that stuff all the time. Can you do it in two and a half minutes? Yeah, I'll do it real quick. You can make a rod and hook it to one of your extra scuba tanks and have a pipe that's got all these holes, like PVC pipes, got all these holes in it. Like a French train? Yeah, a lot smaller. And just have the air slowly trickling into that pipe. Those bubbles coming up touching you, like I say, it's down below the bottom of you, but those bubbles coming up, nothing of a body. The fish won't want to come around. They're concerned about what's going on. What I tell you, every critter in that lake scared the bubbles. That's why they tell them he goes, don't worry about anything else. Gators are intimidated by us, because of our length, because of our fins. We're just a little bit bigger than what they tango with. We're not on land, we don't have four legs and they don't have the advantage. They're not sure who has the advantage. They're not sure what the hell's going on when they see a diver in the water. Yeah, but I don't want to cuddle up in one of them. Yeah, I don't think they've got too many teeth. They also have it in large medulla hablangata from when I hear, you got one rusty, don't worry about it. That's what he tells me all the time. He goes, don't be scared of anything. Your bubbles will go mostly scary. Everything else that you've got to worry about. Yeah, if you have to, you feel like you're threatened by something like that. Purge. You can't take your regulator. Take your spare one, just purge it. Use your face mask, whatever you got to do. He hasn't dove with a full face yet. I'm saving that. I tried one on, but I haven't dove with you. Yeah, we've got two of them. We calmed units that we use. You need to go to 20 feet, have 40 feet of water, and then take your mask off and drop it to the bottom. When you can find that, you're ready to go. You're at 20 feet, you drop your mask, and you know, at 40 feet. It'll go to 40 feet, okay. Then you have to go down and find your mask, but you have to do that before you come back up. Then you know, you're ready. Into your mouth, out to your nose. Don't go the other way. It's going to go badly for you real clean. I've done that once. If you're following a mask off another diver and you feel like, it's getting warm. I'm going to tell you right now. Get out of that stream. Get out of that stream. Get out of that stream. That's right. Quickly. I don't usually have to worry about that with what we do. Well, gentlemen, I want to say thank you for coming out. Thank you for being on the show. Rusty, let's keep this going, man. Let's keep this case alive. Let's do whatever we can to not let the memory be forgotten. Wayne, thank you for coming out, being on the show. I'm sure there will be plenty more opportunities for you to come and show your face around you to your park. 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