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Share this video with your friends on the video, like, subscribe, do all that fun stuff, help us out. So today's gonna be a real interesting conversation, all right? So Joe and I are going into the breach today on Baratost and we're gonna be discussing paganism in the military. Now, I suppose we could talk a lot about what's going on in the military. When this topic came across our emails, we're like, "Whoa, wait a minute, let's dive into that one." So today we have Shanti Guy and Joe Alger and I'm gonna read their bios and you'll understand why they're gonna be able to comment on this and that's exactly what we're gonna discuss for the next hour or so. Joe Alger is the volunteer director of military outreach for the free, free to chaplain ministry and is also known as also the volunteer director of the pit crew, managing the mobile ultrasound units for the community pregnancy center in Collier County, Florida. Joe, after leaving the army, tried to sand several jobs, including painting water towers and industrial carpetry before getting laid off and taking a job sweeping floors and other light maintenance at then a small trucking company. In time, the company grew and Joe got into driving sales, sales manager and president. And Joe's been married 43 years to his lovely wife, Mary. They have two sons, Joseph and Nicholas. Marco Island, Florida is now home. We're just grateful to be in the wonderful FSSP parish of Corpus Christi and also grateful to be able to ride his Harley in the ever favorable climate of South Florida. Now, Shanti Guy is a writer, artist and author of the new Catholic comic book. That's interesting. We ought to talk about that a little bit, new Catholic comic book. St. Michael defended this in battle, father of six and devout Catholic. Shanti spent over two decades telling exciting stories to spark his children's imagination and set them on fire about the faith. His comic books recount real apparitions of St. Michael. His latest comic is a prequel to his debut St. Michael above the 38th parallel of which 10,000 copies have been distributed directly to troops in the US military through the Augustine Institute's Lighthouse Military Support Association. Shanti is currently campaigning to remove, and here's one of the things we're gonna be talking about, to remove the death dealer statues at Fort Cavazos at part of a larger movement to fight paganism in the US military. So Shanti Guy, Joe Alger, welcome to the front line with Joe and Joe brothers. - Hey guys, good to be here. - Excellent. Joe Restinello. - We always begin with a prayer guys to our lady in the name of the father, son, Holy Spirit, Amen. - Amen. - Remember almost gracious Virgin Mary, never was it known that anyone who sought your help or sought your intercession was left unaided and spied by this confidence. We fly into you, a virgin, a virgin's our mother. To you, we come, few, we stand sinful and sorrowful. A mother, the word in car, night to spies, not a petition's been in your clemency here and answer us, amen. - Amen. - Father, son, Holy Spirit, Amen. - I guess a good place to start. Biles were great. This is gonna be a great conversation. What do we mean by paganism? I mean, the term gets thrown around a lot. People say, oh, he's a pagan. I know in New Jersey, there's a biker gang called the pagans, believe it or not. It might even be a gang across the whole of America, but what is paganism? - It's a connection, right. - You know, what is it? I guess we'll start with Joe A, and then we'll go to Shanti. - But I'd rather you start with Shanti. He's more of a verse that that particular aspect of our issue than I am. - Okay, it's all good, Shanti, define our term. - Well, so we started using in term pagadism, basically, 'cause it really describes us going on in our culture. All pagan cultures have three major aspects, and it's basically there's some sort of nature worship, which that's always ends up being worshiping a demon. And then there's some sort of sexual depravity that goes along with that. And the final component is sacrificing their own. If you look at our culture, nature worship, that's what environment was in this. That's why people have a religious zeal about the environment. Ultimately, it's nature worship. And then the sexual depravity things, look at all the rainbow culture stuff going on. That's exactly what that is. And then finally, the most glaring sacrificing our own is abortion. And so this is our culture. And then all of that really does play into the military. 'Cause the military, they're there to defend the country. They're there to go to war. And they're trying to accommodate the populace with their policies as far as what will allow these people to have what they like to call freedom of religion and are practicing their faiths and all that. - Do you think that paganism, Joe Alger, I thought this over with you, do you think that paganism in the military is designed to turn the military against, let's say, the average American person, which is generally speaking, religious, I mean, mostly Christian, okay? Some Jewish, some Muslim, but mostly Christian. But somehow to change the mentality of the military against the American people who are, am I just way off base? - Yeah, well, let's face it. Back in the day, we knew that no matter what happened in society, no matter what, no matter who was in office, no matter what kind of craziness was going on out in the world, we knew because, well, particularly me, 'cause I'm a veteran and I deal with a lot of veterans, I knew that the military would always have our backs. I knew that no matter how crazy things get on the outside, it was like Rome, the Roman army, when Rome was going out through the crapper. The Roman army pretty much stayed pretty steadfast. I mean, they were pretty, they still had their honor and their honor where the rest of the civilization did. So I knew that a push came to shove and we had to go out on the streets, let's say, God forbid, but if we had to stand up against this government, I knew that the military would never come after us. I knew that the military would never fire on us. I knew that the military had our back. I knew that the military basically was in line, let's face the military, Republican doesn't mean you're conservative, the military is a majority of Republican, let's face it. My experience tells me they're all conservative, most of them, all of them ones I dealt with are, the best ones are, the absolute best ones are. So I knew they'd have my back, I'm not so sure anymore, and what you mentioned about paganism infiltrating into the military, society has taken, society is going that route. I mean, look at the, you've got the devil alters out in the various state capitals. The fact that WICCA is the fastest scoring religion in America, WICCA is the fastest growing religion in America. That goes into the military, that filters into the military. The military is a reflection of what's going on in society. So you've got all the craziness in society, plus the military encourages a lot of that. The military is in some cases a, it's a little petri dish of, let's experiment in society, let's get gays into the military, let's push women through ranger training, let's push women through airborne training, let's get women in the special forces, let's do all this craziness that we know ain't gonna work. So the military has always been kind of a petri dish of this kind of nonsense, and now with WICCA, I mean, I'm reminded, I'll be quick here 'cause I've been talking too long. - No, go Joe, do it. - Okay, I did welcome Holmes. I told this Chantie knows the story, I hope he's not getting to, Chantie, Chantie. I finally got your name right, thanks to Jesse Romero. Should I have known you for fun? I've known you for four years. Anyway, Chantie, I've told this story before, I used to do welcome, I was in the Patriot Guard, I stood for probably 40 to 45 military funerals and met military families. I have good relationships with gold star families, I painted soldiers on the side of my trucks, the ones that had passed. I know the military has got a firm, or had a firm basis of morality by meeting these good parents and these, and also we did probably a 100 to 200 welcome homes of guys coming back from combat. I picked up guys all over the country and done welcome homes with them and brought them into parties and what have you. So, I mean, I know what's going on. So I've met a number of these guys, I've been to Walter Reed, I've met wounded, I've been with the wounded many, many times. And it's interesting that I have a buddy that's now he's an E-6 in the Army. When he came back from Afghanistan as a sergeant and a squad leader and E-5, he and I befriended each other, the family and I are close. Well, he was telling me when he had to go back to Afghanistan, he's a leader of a platoon now. And he said, he's got a lot of idiots in the platoon. And I said, well, describe one of your idiots. He goes, well, one of them is a wicked. And at the time, this is eight or nine years ago, I didn't know what a wickin' is, I had no idea. And I said, what's a wickin'? And he goes, well, they are basically witches, most of them are female, but they do have males and they worship wicka and they're basically, it's basically demonic. He said he had to accommodate this guy. He got in his platoon by giving him an altar and giving him time in his bunk and blah, blah, blah. And like it's a respected, like it's any other religion in which of course it's not. So I became acutely aware of this back then, but then since I've been director of military outreach with the military, I have really made a point to reach out to the chaplains and give them information on wicka, say the demonic and Satanism because it's growing in the military. And let's face it, you got a bunch of 18 year olds coming in, they're not the smartest when they walk through that door, I know I wasn't. So they're very susceptible to everything that they bring with them in society. And you can't lean that out in basic training, although to their credit, the military does things like the seven core values, loyalty, all of the core values that the military stands by, that they've tried to push into these young men, but then of course, you've got the craziness that they bring with them. And then they're more than willing to accommodate homosexuals and transvestites, but God forbid we should accommodate Christianity in there. It's kind of a, it's getting harder and harder, so. - Let me jump in, because my father was in the army, my grandfather was in the Marines, I had two uncles that were in the Marine Corps. I was told that when you went to Paris Island, day one, you had to say what church you were gonna go to on Sunday. I don't know if that's the case now, but it was then. Day one, where are you going to church? And there's some wisdom in that, because people of faith, frankly, are stronger. We have our feet on the ground, we have confidence, we have faith in not just what we see. To be honest with you, people of faith are disciplined. People of faith know how to take orders, 'cause you can't lead until you know how to serve. This is a good thing. Yet now it's rejected, it's rejected. Comment on that, because clearly the military, and that's just in my own family, it's changed. Particularly what you said, you talk about females, listen, I love women. I'm married to my wife, I have two daughters, I have five kids, but they're not as strong as men. I see in New York City, women cops, two 250 pound men go at it. There is no way in hell that they're gonna be able to stop that type of confrontation, no way. Yet we're putting them in harm's way. Talk about that, both of you, first Joe and then Ashanti. - Well, it's interesting you mentioned that, because I was, I know a number of men that have gone through Ranger training and combat veterans and such, and we've been talking for a number of years now, and this is back then, about how they're gonna push the first woman through Ranger School. How they're gonna, what accommodations they're gonna make for a woman to go through Ranger School, which in itself, I mean, we're talking Ranger School is eight weeks, I may get some points wrong here. I mean, they have, I don't know, their washout rate is horrendous. I mean, they wash out a whole bunch on day one when they have to walk the beam. So having women in that, but they did it. I mean, they managed to get some women to go through Ranger School. They managed to accommodate that training enough to get them through. And this isn't your rank-and-file soldier that wants to do this. This is coming from above. This is coming from your wack-all left. And unfortunately, unfortunately, our leaders that we have now in the military, like Millie and some of these other guys and girls, are so anxious to fall over everything that comes through that's new and the flavor of the day. They don't even think about what the repercussions are. Thank God, I don't think we've got anybody that's made it through Special Forces training yet. The Marines, I think, had someone go through their platoon combat course. So this is all coming and the problem here is that I have a niece, she's in the army. She's a captain, she will be soon. She's in the armor, she's an armor tanker. When she got to be a tanker, I told my sister, her mother, this is ridiculous. I said, having a woman in a tank is absolutely insane, just like having a woman in an infantry unit, but my sister, because she's uninformed, she told me this one, who anything, this is, she just blurts us out. Women can do anything a man can do. Well, that's not true, it's not true at all. I mean, a tank is not a good place to be when you're getting hit and shells are, you know, God forbid coming in and there's no worse place to be than an air condition, that a non-air condition tank. But now she's finding out, she was telling me, quite honestly, she said, you know, this combat arms thing isn't really that good for me. I'm gonna get into intelligence, because obviously the, you know, the society, but anyway, so go ahead, Shanti. - Well, I'd just say, you know, the women in the military issue, it's obvious the problems with it. That's just a symptom of modernism. It's a symptom of our culture. And how did we get that way? Was it because the church told us, hey, you know, we need to get more women on the battlefield. It was not that at all. You know, it's this cultural shift to break up the family, take the mother out of the home, put her in the workplace, and of course that eventually means the military. Now that is not a Christian idea. That is not in the Bible. The, you know, it's just not in church history that it's a new modern idea. And where are these ideas coming from? Well, you know, feminism is one, which is basically just our society opening ourselves up to the demonic. I mean, that's simply what it is, is saying, hey, you know, what are these new ideas I can open my mind to and blah, blah, blah, and all this stuff? Now, again, the, you know, the military, they're just accommodating it. You know, they're not there to try and say what the culture is. They're there to accommodate the culture and then go to war. But the problem is is that that culture itself strategically is weakening the military. And, you know, Joe, like you said, you know, you have to have virtue to be able to, you know, submit to higher authority. And then you have to have that same, using the same virtue that you learned from that, you can lead. And in our particular case, you know, we're getting these people into the military. And one of the issues is, like you said, an impressionable 18-year-old. Well, you know, I know several homeschooled young men who then joined the military and then later left the faith. Well, it's 'cause it's a lot like college. They get in there, they're impressionable, they want to fit in, you know, and maybe they didn't really like growing up with the rules of Christianity and stuff like that. And they want to get out there and enjoy the world and all that stuff. Well, the way the military's set up now, you can have a, you know, the military actually pays to have chaplains from all the different religions that they feel, you know, should be on the base of the time. So that means the US military may be paying for a satanic priest to be there, to consult with one of these impressionable teenagers. - What I don't understand is we're considered, and if you're just joining us here at the front line with Joe and Joe on the Veritas Catholic Radio Network, we'll be joined by Shanti Guy and Joe Alger with discussing the paganism in the military. Is, I just don't understand why in society, we've lost our ability to say no, just a word no, just to say no, no, no, no, wickedness not an accepted religion as far as the military is concerned. We're not accepting it, we're not providing you a chaplain. You want to worship the tree? It's out there, go ahead, go worship the tree. All right, do it on your own time. Why do we do that? Why do we make it seem like under the First Amendment, that means we have to accept everything and say, no, your religion is a bunch of BS, okay? 'Cause I can argue for the Catholic faith. Go ahead, argue for your stupid nature worship, all right? I mean, I'm sorry to get hot about this, but the thing is, and especially when it comes to the military, all right? I remember Rush Limbaugh used to say years ago, the job of the military is to kill people and break things, okay, and to protect us. So why don't we just leave the military alone and leave the social experimentation for Harvard and Yale and the rest of the Ivy League? Sorry about the rant, Shanti, I love your comments on that, and then Joe. - Well, yeah, I'm right with you. The problem is, is the political aspect, which basically means you have to rouse the, the politic. You know, you have to get people in line to go and make a big to do about it, which is actually happening in this particular movement about Fort Kavazos. It's just, they're going at it. They're going and complaining about the symptoms of paganism in the military. - Talk about that a little bit. 'Cause I don't know that much about that. Talk about what's going on at that fort. I think that could spark a really good conversation. - Well, so Fort Kavazos, there's been this string of murders, violent sexual crimes and suicides. Now this all goes back, you know, years and years and years at that particular fort. And we do need to be clear that it, it was Fort Hood for a hundred and something years. And recently, since all of this stuff has happened, including the murder of a Hispanic girl, they changed it from Fort Hood, who was a Confederate general to Fort Kavazos, who's a Hispanic, actually a Catholic general from Texas. So, you know, that, I think a big part of that's a PR thing in relation to all these murders and all this horrible stuff that's been happening there. So anyways, there's been a big, big movement, especially in the liberal media, to go and say, oh, Fort Hood, you know, what's this sexist, racist culture there that's leading to the victimization of minority women? So that's their take on it. But the truth is, is, you know, it actually all relates to a anti-Christian culture that they've adopted. The only thing we've talked about so far is accepting, you know, these pagan, you know, ideas as religions and stuff like that, they accept it. Hey, that's freedom of religion. We accept you. You can come and fight and die for your country. We accept you, even though you're a wicked druid, witch, Satan, that's whatever you are. We accept it, you know? And that's kind of how our society works. Then the second phase that they switched to was accommodation, which is, okay, we accept you, and we're gonna accommodate you. We'll pay for your chaplain to be here. We will pay to have your religious items on base so you can do your rituals. You know, like we're paying to allow you to exist here. And then the final thing that they've done, which sparked Joe and I's Joe Alger and I's movement, which is they're adopting the ideas. And this actually goes back, you know, this goes back to the '80s where it's very apparent that they've done it. And the way they've adopted it is three core adopted, this character, the death dealer, as their mascot. And the death dealer is the antithesis of what, you know, virtue is, of what, you know, all the virtues Joe Alger was just talking about for the military. He's a mercenary, he's a psychopathic killer. And the stories, he's got a like spirit in his head talking to him and telling him what to do. And he's never telling him to do anything good, right? So anyways, that's the real problem is them adopting this mascot back really in the '80s. Then in about 2008, they had these three six foot six bronze statues of this guy made and installed at Fort Hood. And then directly after that, you know, I mean, three, four months after that, there was a mass shooting. And the mass shooting was from an army major who was a psychologist, went nuts, shot 13 people, wounded 30 other people. And you know, that's not just like he had a bad day. That's not like he wasn't cool with his pension. You know, it's demonic influence. That's what drives a man to do something so psychotic. And, you know, then there's just been all this horrible stuff from then. And eventually the liberal media picked up on it and they're like, whoa, there's a lot of people being killed. You know, it's obviously political. You know, that's what they want to drive it to. What they don't want to drive it to is, Oh, you know, we also adopted a devil worshippers or mascot. Oh, we're accommodating Wiccans. Oh, we're allowing satanic rituals on the army base. Oh, we're allowing these people to go and spread their ideas among the troops. And oh, we're just shocked that they're not virtuous. You know, so that's, that's. Well, I think it's too about Shanti. The thing is too is like, I'm not, if I'm in the military, okay, and somebody's a Wiccan, well, what's reliable there? See, if somebody's a Christian, not the Christians are perfect because obviously, well, that's part of being Christian is we know we're not perfect. But we strive for those values to live and embody those values that Joe was mentioning earlier. Wiccan doesn't teach that. Satanism doesn't teach that. It's all, that's all selfish. It's either nature worship or self worship, you know, one of the two, but it's all directed to the cell as opposed to directed to the other. So what can I hope for in a Satanist who's let's say in a foxhole with me, okay? Because I know that his worldview is means that he's the center of his world. You know, not God, he's the center of his world. So again, Joe, you got to comment on that? Well, you would talk about worshiping a tree. So, you know, like Wiccan's worship tree is like, I don't exactly know if that's what they do and I'm not quite sure exactly what they worship, but it's interesting you mentioned that because they have taken God out of, I mean, it goes to the Masons, the Masons. Now, you know, most people think Masons are just these great guys that's, you know, finance, you know, the shrine, the hospital blah, blah, blah. The reality is that the Masonic infiltration has been going on since 1717 and it's been going on. It's caused the French Revolution, caused the Russian Revolution in numerous other scenarios. But the main thing about Masons is they'll say that, you know, it's a God, but really it's just a deity. It's the great light, it's the great seeing eye. And so you really don't have to be any, have any religion to do. All you got to do is express a belief in some kind of higher power. That belief can be in the Buddhism, Hinduism, whoever those scenarios are. And it's interesting 'cause I don't want to get too much into Alcoholics Anonymous, but they have a simple philosophy there too. You can have any God, it can have a tree when you go to AA. You can have any higher power you want in AA. And you'd be surprised how many guys will stay. If you want a tree, you can have a tree as your higher power. Which is ridiculous. Absolutely, when you sit there, I mean, it was in AA for 25 years and it took me 20 years to realize this is crazy town. You can't have a tree for your higher power. But, you know, they'll spouse that. They'll say that, you know, it used to be religious, but now I'm spiritual, now I'm real spiritual now. So there's this push in society led by the Masons to get our focus off of God, off of the Trinity, off of Jesus Christ. And to just get it on to some entity out there. If you see it all the time, you see it in magazines out here on Marco Island when they espouse yoga and they bring some Hindu in of some, oh, good, this one. Oh, guru in female guru, which is crazy. So there's all this push to get your focus off Christianity and get it out any place else other than our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Let's get it on to a tree. Let's get it on to anything we can. And that is filtering down into the military. Now, I mean, you've got military scenarios where you have to, you've got a transgender commander and now you've got to salute this person. And it's absolutely, it's got to be awful. I got out in 1974. I was overseas for two and a half years. I never even saw another female in the military. My son was in, he got out in 2006 finally. And I think things were fairly good when he was in, even though the administration may not have been, but I think a lot of it has to do with a general focus of getting our focus off of anything Christian, off of anything Catholic, of course. And let's just dissipate it into anything else. And that's why when they put these demonic statues, they're those three statues, I've got three friends of mine at our carnals. I can't, I'm not gonna say anything more other than the fact that they basically confirm what I'm saying. You can go along with anything that's politically correct. Anything and they'll practically accept it. They'll accept you going along with that. But if you pushed you hard in a certain area of religion, red flags go up and so. - And this is really... - Shanti, I'm sorry. We gotta take a quick break. We're gonna pick up on that, on that thought. Excuse me. As soon as we come back, if you're just joining us here at the front line with Joe and Joe, we're with Shanti Guy and Joe Alger. We're discussing paganism in the military. So you know that we're weighing the breach in the Veritas Catholic Radio Network. 1350 on your AM dial, 103.9 on your FM dial. Spreading the truth of the Catholic me to the New York City Metropolitan area. We got another great segment. Don't go anywhere. - Catholic Radio works. And now we have it here in Connecticut and New York. It's been seen around the country that there's no better tool for evangelization. Where there's Catholic radio, the folks who listen deep in their faith, families are strengthened, parishes and communities flourish. So let people know you're listening to Veritas, tell your friends to tune in, and let's make an impact here for Jesus and his church. This is Steve Lee for Veritas Catholic Network. - Welcome back everyone to the front line with Joe and Joe, Joe Piscillo, Joe Visconello. We're weighing the breach with Shanti Guy and Joe Alger. We're discussing paganism in the military. So Shanti, you wanted to make a point before the break. Just for our audience, just let us know again what we were talking about and what you wanted to make. - Well, what we're talking about is really like how Americans think about religion, which is, hey, that's their thing. This is their religion. We have to allow them to do it. So we can't stand up and say, look, you're an idiot. You don't know what you're talking about, 'cause it's rude. We don't want people doing that to us. And the real problem, though, is that if you don't stand up for what's right and distinctly say, no, Satanism is wrong, it's wrong for this reason. Pagan worship, like we said, of a tree. I actually kind of get it, 'cause that was St. Boniface's whole mission up there in Germany, they said, the Germans up there are worshiping oaks, and it's because they were the tallest trees, and so lightning would strike them. And they thought, well, that's Thor saying, hey, these oaks are really special, right? So that's why there was that tree worship. But St. Boniface got up there, and imagine you're just one guy, got up there with a bunch of Germans, and you go and cut down their idol, which is what he did. He went up and with an axe, he said, stop fearing trees, and he cut it down, and they were just so sure that Thor was gonna strike him dead. But he had no fear because he had such, he wasn't worried about being ostracized by society to go and tear down their idol, but think about it. Imagine you're sitting around with a bunch of other, like let's just say Protestants. It would be pretty uncomfortable to say, look, you guys say I shouldn't worship Mary, and I don't know the Bible and all this stuff. How often do you see a Catholic go, look, man, you're completely off base. You're worshiping your version of reading the Bible and all that stuff, and then to go one step further and say, I get the freedom of religion thing, but you do not have the right to practice what I consider to be sin. You do not have the right to worship idols. American Catholics don't wanna do that. They don't want that uncomfortable thing, 'cause it's nice to live in peace. - Well, I'm gonna hand it over to Joe, but the thing is this, a couple of years ago, Richard Dawkins, all right, the famous atheist, he got up there at some stupid atheist rally, whatever it was, he says, when anybody who says they believe in God, you mock them right to their face. Didn't say Jesus Christ, all right, said it just a simple belief in God, that God, the creator of the universe, exists, you mock them to your face. Now, we're not cruel people, all right, and I don't want Joe R to get mad at me when I say this, okay? Maybe sometimes it's good that we just laugh at people. Like when the atheist says, well, you know, I'm an atheist, chuckle, chuckle, you know, maybe we're a little bit too polite. When somebody says I'm a wicking, chuckle, really? And then just walk away. Like, maybe we should do that, because see, they have no problem doing that to us, and I'm not saying that we're supposed to, we are supposed to turn the other cheek, but I don't think there's anything wrong with a little chuckle when they say something, you know, put forth some of these ridiculous ideas. But let me stop my rant there and hand it over to Joe Ressinello. - I think a lot of this is a symptom, because there's an old saying, if you don't believe in God, you'll believe in anything. And Joe A. mentioned people say, I'm spiritual. I think a lot of that comes from the reality that as human beings, we have a longing for something that's greater than ourselves. And we are seeing that in culture, at infinitum, for centuries, but we have abandoned God. We're living in a post-Christian society. America, sadly, is a post-Christian nation. It's reflected in so many things, and it's everywhere, but that longing is in our hearts, the natural law. So I think what it is, is people are then attaching to anything from the ludicrous, to frankly the self-destructive, like Satanism. And that's in every corner of our society right now, because we are made for God. What's the old Baltimore Catechism say? We're made by God, for God to serve God and to be with God for all eternity. When you deny that basic reality, which is inside of every person, you start to cling on to different things. And of course, it's gonna happen in the military, because it's a microcosm of our society. And Satanism is on the rise. I read an interesting book by Charles Fronnie. People should look up Charles Fronnie as a great author and a great guy. And it talks about how Satanism is on the rise in America. How could that be good for our nation? Let's be real, listen, you're free and I'm not here to impose myself on anybody. With that said though, reality is reality and some things are good and some things are bad. If you're gonna tell me you're sacrificing cats in your backyard, I think I have every right to say, that's not good, that's not good. I can say that and should be able to say that. What are your thoughts, Joe A. and then to Chanti? - Well first, I'm more of a dog person, so. - You can't sacrifice dogs here. - I'm neither, but anyway, it's interesting, you had mentioned the fact that I remember, I was 18 years old, I enlisted when I was 18, shortly after high school in 1971. I was a product of 12 years of Catholic education. I was taught by the Dominicans in south side of Chicago, the Dominican nuns back when they were good. I went to Catholic high school and when I got into the military, I let, I mean, when I got out of training, in basic training, it was like you said, you have on your dog tag, you declare a religion, you don't have to, you can say non whatever. But I mean, I had, I mean, everybody under dog tag, most people have what they are, Catholic, Baptist, whatever. So, and I remember in basic training, we got the opportunity, it wasn't, you know, we didn't get any opportunity to go out, but on Sunday, we had the opportunity to go to mass, or in our, anything you want, that's why you have to declare where you're going on, you know, if you want to go Baptist Protestant service on Sunday, they got them all on the base. So, I went to the Catholic, obviously. So everybody has that opportunity. If you don't go to mass, or sure, whatever, Baptist ought to Baptist do, but if you don't go to your worship on Sunday, you've got to stay on the base, which means you read meat for whatever, you know, they come up to the site to tell you to do, so everybody went to whatever service. So there is that back, there is that, there is that back in it, and Fullmetal Jack had made up, made a travesty of that whole scenario. I don't recall that ever going on, although I heard some versions of it, but I know when I was 18, I got into my unit in Korea, I was in a combat zone up in DMZ in Korea, and we were basically a speed bump up there. If anything happened, we were dead. I mean, then we knew it. We're the only company of us up there, we could not have stopped them from coming across at border, and we were into North Korea. So I guess we had that attitude that we could die at any moment, if anything goes south, we're dead. And so that led to a lot of drug use. And when I was 18, I remember we'd just come back from up North, we'd been up there for 24 hours, so we had to go back up. So we were getting our flat vest, we were getting more ammo, we were getting ready to go back up as a quick reactionary force. In the meantime, we were smoking pot, we were making up our music, just like seven o'clock on a Sunday. We're getting ready, we're getting our stuff ready to hop back on the trucks. And then meantime, we're doing what we do. And it was Sunday morning, and I remember a chaplain came into our hooch, he'd bang that door open, he'd start screaming, "Hey, I'm trying to have mass here." He was trying to have mass at the small chaplain, and we were causing such a disturbance, getting ready to go back up North with our music. And he came in and was yelling at us about it, and rightly so. And I remember when he turned around, I made a comment as he was walking out. I don't know, I'm not gonna repeat it, I'm extremely embarrassed. But I think from that day on, I just, I chucked my religion, that was it, I'm gone. But it was it, it was a bit, it was a, I fell into, I wish it might fall, but I fell into a bad influence that I just kind of really climbed onto. And pretty much did that for the rest of my two and a half years. The point is, in the military, if you don't, you have to have some kind of virtue. You've got to start out with a virtuous warrior, like we always are. I mean, World War II, even in Korea and Vietnam, we still were virtuous, although we had the Me-Lai incident, we had some incidents there which were horrendous. But still, you expect your American soldier to be virtuous. You expect to be virtuous warrior, not gonna kill, it's just not part of what American soldiers do. It's not what our military's about. This death dealer that they have at Fort Kavazos, just three of them, his whole premise is about senseless killing. It's right out there. It's just senseless killing 'cause the voices in his helmet tell him to do it. So he does it by the thousands, they just does it. No remorse, no virtue, no nothing 'cause he hears voices in his helmet. And this is right there. This is right out there. So yet, in spite of all that, these people didn't do the research. They put these six foot six statues in at three locations, thinking it was cool, thinking that they call them the Phantom Warrior. So every time they answer the phone, they're like, "Phantom ready, sir." 'Cause I called up over there that complain about this thing and will continue to. And I hope you put the phone number up so we can contact the general. So they're only to this Phantom Warrior crap, but it's really the death dealer. And the death dealer has all of, I sent you guys a number of attachments and it spells this out. It's not even, they're not even hiding it. The death dealer is a senseless killer that hears voices in his helmet and he sucks the soul out of those, he kills. But this is our mascot for three-corp. - Joe, Joe, where does that come from, the death dealer? Like, is this a form of Satanism or is it a form of Wicca? What does the image itself originate from? - God's hey, this is yours, baby. - Well, so we'll just start with how it got to the base. In '85, basically three-corp. What is it, Joe, Algory? It's three divisions, right? - I get, let me just quick. Three-corp is three divisions, 90,000 troops. First infantry, first armored cabin, first cavalry division, three full divisions, 90,000 people, go ahead. - So that's a big deal. And the guy leading all of that, he wanted a symbol that would show the mobility, lethality and strength of three-corp. I think there's a lot of ways to do that, but he picked this particular image, which is a painting that was originally done by Frank Frisetta, and it's called the death dealer. So just to describe it, it is imagined, basically a big, like a Clydesdale horse, like that. Then a guy sitting on top of it in all black, can't see his face, he's got glowing red eyes, and then he's got this battle axe with blood dripping off of it. And of course, devil horns coming off of his helmet. And so it's a good painting, technically a good painting, but that was taken. And then a comic book series was made out of it. In the comic book series, the guy is just a blood thirsty, psychopathic, mercenary, right? Which is exactly what we don't want our soldiers to be. And this comic book series, that represents what it means in pop culture. So that represents what it means to the soldiers, that see this thing. And if you look a little deeper into who produced that comic book series, it's this guy Glenn Danzig, or Glenn Alizone. But basically, I knew about him because in high school, I was like a punk rock skater guy, and he had several bands that one of them was a misfits. Another one was Sam Hain, and then the final one was just called Glenn Danzig. But at the time, it was just like what all the cool kids were listening to, and I listened to it. And I later revisited it as an adult, and it's just overtly satanic. And they have all these really horrible evil songs, and all this stuff. And basically, if you look a little deeper on Glenn Danzig, his whole deal is he loves the occult. He's very into all of that. And so that's what the death dealer means to pop culture. So they have these, first they selected as their mascot, in the '80s, they're telling everybody, "Hey, this is who we're emulating." And then they have these statues put in, and so all these new recruits, they see this death dealer guy, and then they're like, okay, so what am I supposed to embody here? And they can refer back to all the stories of those comics and all of that stuff that tell them that's it. And those comics, full frontal nudity, a lot of bloody violence, a lot of sex, and there's a lot of witches and witchcraft in it, you know? And it's kind of like Harry Potter, where they're saying real spells that can actually hurt somebody, you know? No, you know, this is just, again, a consequence of the culture. What's wrong with St. Michael the Archangel? He's got a weapon, he's defending people in battle, he's fighting for the good, yet we don't want that. And I'll tell you why, and both of you and Joe P, if you think I'm wrong, please let me know. Because when you worship God as in the Holy Trinity, whether you're a Protestant or a Catholic, there are rules, there are the 10 commandments. Let's go basic, 10 commandments and our culture wants nothing to do with it. Don't tell me what to do, don't tell me what to do. And that's why we reject St. Michael and we go to this image, because we want to be spiritual without the boundaries. I am my own person, I am an individual, I don't need anyone. I will not serve, that one comes to mind. Go ahead, Joe, I'm sorry. No, that's my rant, but at the end of the day, I don't think it's a rant, I think it's a fact. Joe, what do you think? I think it's a fact, too, if you're just joining us, Shanti Guy and Joe Alger here with Disgusting Paganism in the military, Shanti, I'll hand it over to you to comment on what Joe was just saying. Well, I love St. Michael. I'm all about keeping it simple. He was the first one to say who is like God at the first rebellion, you know, that's what he did. His name means who is like God. And then he's been given the power from God to fight, you know, Satan, it was a pretty hardcore angel, right? And so, you know, earlier we talked about, oh, I don't want to impose my will on other Americans and stuff like that. I'm kind of over that. You know, like it's all about knowing what is right and imposing that and then channeling God's will and imposing that on other people. And one of the ways we can do that is, you know, just the way they tore down the statue of St. Louis, you know, we need to go tear down this statue. It's not violence towards them. It's tearing that down and then putting up a symbol, which I think should be St. Michael. Perfect for our, our, our troops, you know, absolutely. Joe Alger. - Well, it's interesting. My friend, Dr. Dan Schneider, who is a demonologist, I guess he's been working with Father Rippinger and they have the Allegral Christo method, but Dr. Dan sent me a text and he said, technically with this, with this death dealer statue, I thought it was opening up a portal. He said it's not a portal. He says, in order to be a portal there must be some kind of ritual, what is, what it is is permission. It's permission for the demon to come in to that situation. It's permission for the demon. It's like, it's like what he, he likens it to and you mentioned the pagans. It's like when you put a gang symbol on a sign in a neighborhood, that means that's their territory. And that's what this, that's what we're doing. And the thing is that it makes this thing so horrendous is the fact that the, the definition of a death dealer is a death dealer is someone who kills people. This is the death dealer's definition by the comics on definition. A death dealer is someone who kills people or helps to kill people. The phrase death dealer on a mission or off, not off, unfettered violence is a legendary and far from too elevated description of a killer who is in the process of killing people without restraint or finesse. That's the definition of this thing that they have as they say it's their motto at Fort Hood. Now Fort Cavazos. That's the motto of 90,000 soldiers. We will kill without, without finesse or restraint. So that alone, but the fact of the matter is when Chaunty and I got involved in this, he showed me all this nonsense. I started to make a connection of these incidents at Fort Hood. All of these incidents from the killing, the job, the, the job killing, Chaunty when he killed 13 people in the yelling Allah Akbar in February of 2009. That two months or three months after this death dealer statue had gone in, these three statues. Ever since then, the situations that Fort Cavazos, Fort Hood and Akbaros are out of, there's just, they're just out of the box. These situations going out out there are rape, murder, sexual harassment, horrible killings, mass killings have just been out of the box crazy since that statue has gone in. Yeah, there's other ones at other bases but these are far in excess. Go ahead. - You know what it is, Joe? America doesn't believe in the devil. America doesn't believe in demons. America in many cases, God is a word and everyone goes to heaven whether you're a good guy. I'm a good guy. I bought you a beer and a bar. Oh, you're a good guy, Joe. I get to go to heaven too. They don't believe in the devil. Well, I got news for you, the devil is real. Hell is real and there is an influence and what you're saying is it's an influence on an American base. We're sending our young men and women. Many of them are innocent. Let's face it, many of these kids, 18 years old, come from places. Kansas, town of 300. Kentucky, town 800. It's not like they're in some worldly place. You're sending your kid there. How could parents be okay with that? How can people, supposedly people who are intelligent, who have been around, how can they be okay with that? How can that not have an influence? You're mentioning there's incidents since this image is there, this mentality that's there. It's a godless mentality. We've lost our North Star. We'll call it a North Star, Joe. You talked about AA. I'm not talking about worshipping trees. I'm just gonna be general, our North Star is God. It's not the death dealer. - Well, Joe, let me be in a limited time we have left. I wanna segue you off Joe's comment to get both of your comments. If you're joining us here at the front line with Joe and Joe, we're being joined by Shanti Guy and Joe Alger. And we're talking about paganism in the military, okay? America might be finished. We don't know, okay? If this continues, then we're gonna have no moral foundation. And eventually we're just gonna go away, okay? Or with the form of America is gonna change into something that's not gonna be really nice for the four of us and people who think like us. Now outside, Joe and I are big, big, our lady of Guadalupe guys, okay? Outside at our heavenly father sending our lady to straighten our butts out, okay? And in a real way, the same way Mexico was converted when she went there. Outside of that, what can we do, okay? As Catholic men to step up, to say, you know, we're defending America 'cause we'd like America to continue, but not on the path that she's on. Not where we kill babies, not where we can't say a Supreme Court justice, can't say what a woman is, okay? No, that's not the America we want. We're gonna stand up, we're gonna promote Christian values, authentic Christian values, and get our faces out there and ourselves out there in the culture in order to turn the tide. Is that Shanti, I'll start with you and then I'm gonna hand it over to Joe. We have about five minutes left. Is that a realistic course of action or do we just have to wait and pray for divine intervention? - I think it's a realistic course, but it begins with praying for divine intervention. You know, I wrote this article I'd like everybody to, with Joe, that I'd like everybody to check out, but it basically starts with the apparition of St. Michael at Mount Gargano. So this is timed right at the end of the fall of Rome. Rome, you know, they had Constantine, you know, they really were the birthplace of the Catholic Church. A lot of hardcore Catholics there, but also a lot of pagans and they were still worshiping demons. And I, you know, if you read more about the apparition at Mount Gargano, it clearly shows St. Michael defending the populace that was faithful and then letting the pagan army fall. And they fell to a basically a Viking who said he was a Christian. He was an Aryan, that's a heresy, of course, but he was a Catholic. And God handed the entire Roman empire over to them because the army didn't shift. All of the populace didn't shift. But that's what we have the chance to do. We have the chance to spread this message that yes, we will impose our Catholic values on the military. We will impose it on you, Supreme Court justices. We will fight, we'll tear down your statues. And that is the, that gives us prayer. We gotta pray for God's intercession to give us the strength to do all that. But we can do it and we can take this country back. We can take our military back. We can take our culture back. - Absolutely. Thank you for that, Shanti. Joe Alger, we have about two minutes and final comments from you. - Well, I think the best thing you can do, at least to stand up is to call over at the base, call, call, they have a hotline at Fort Cavazos at 254-618-7486, dial one and leave a message for Lieutenant General Sean Bernabe, who is the three-star general of three-court, and just leave a message for him saying that you want the death dealer to be removed because it is not a virtuous warrior that you want your soldiers emulating. Simple as that. I want the death dealer removed. It is not a virtuous warrior that we want our soldiers to emulate. And then leave that message. As I told, when I left my message, I explained to the general that hopefully we get some people to call. I did get a call from the colonel, he called me up. And we spent, a colonel, we spent about 13 minutes on the phone, I gave him my, the rundown. He was kind of, he said, so you don't think the death dealer is virtuous. He's kind of making a little laugh about it. And I laughed back. I said, yeah, it is definitely not virtuous. It is, and basically went into a 13-minute diatribe. But yeah, I think the best thing we can do, you know, we're like things at our fingertips, give a call, 254-618-7486, leave a message and say I'd like the death dealer to be removed. It is not a virtuous warrior. - Well, as Joe and I say on the show all the time, the greatest counter-revolutionary act you could commit right now is to open your mouth and speak the truth, open your mouth. That's the first step, okay? And you got to have the stones to do that in this spiritual battle, this culture where we're in. Shanti, let me throw it over to you real quick. Where can our audience learn more about everything that we just spoke about, whether it's on social media, resources? So please let us know. - Well, so on our website, kapoot-can-s-c-a-p-u-t-c-a-n-i-s.com. On there, we have an article outlining all of our, you know, investigation and all the murders, all the stuff that's happened there and a petition that you can sign. And if you sign that petition, what we're doing is making a database, everybody who cares about it and wants to be involved so that we can do a campaign towards the commander of three corps and say, look, we have a lot of sentiment, you know? We want this to change. So I ask you to go there, read the article, sign the petition, and then as a big, huge group, you know, also these phone calls, we will let them know we want it taken down. And yeah, maybe we'll think of something else and we'll contact everybody and let them know we're doing that too. - Absolutely. So Joe and I always start to show with a prayer. If you guys don't mind, I feel compelled. I feel inspired to end the show with a prayer in the name of the Father and the Son of the Holy Spirit, Amen. Say Michael, the archangel, defend this in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and the snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou who prince the heavenly host by the power of God, cast into hell, Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world, seek in the ruin of souls. The name of the Father and the Son of the Holy Spirit, Amen. So we'll pray that same Michael takes this conversation. You guys were on with Jesse Romero too, right? Shanti recently? - Yeah, we were. - Okay, cool. So let's pray that these messages, this interview, the interview with Jesse over there at Virgin Most Powerful that gets out there, make people more aware. Let's try to raise the consciousness of the people out there so they know what's going on. Shanti guy, Joe Alger, our friends, you are welcome back here at the front line with Joe and Joe anytime. I'll have us back in about five months and then I will follow up. - All right, we'll do a little follow up on that. Thank you so much, fellas. Thank you out there for joining us at the Veritas Catholic Radio Network 1350 on your AM dial 103.9 on your FM dial, spreading the truth of the Catholic faith to the New York City Metropolitan area. Download the app, share it with your friends. And speaking of share, please, if you're watching this interview on social media, this conversation, please share a Twitter, rumble, Facebook, YouTube. We'll probably get taken down on YouTube, but who cares? Share it on YouTube also. And remember, until the next time that our conversation is your conversation and that conversation is going on everywhere. We'll talk to you soon. (upbeat music) (dramatic music)
