- This is the Hope Cast Network. Stories and shows you actually wanna listen to. (upbeat music) - Heidi, this is exciting. - Very. - First, people listening right now, they do not know what they're about to get into because we're about to chat with someone amazing, but before we do, my name is Brad. She is Heidi, and this is reality check with Heidi and Brad. - Yeah. - So I'm so excited. I didn't even do the intro, right? 'Cause I'm just jagged, because we're bringing Alexis for her own. I personally have never watched her show. - I can't believe it. I don't know if you know, but I really, really love this show so much. So I'm so excited to actually get to meet her. I cannot wait. - I'm excited that you're excited. Because when you're excited, it's fun to watch. 'Cause I can, I can predict that you'll be excited talking to her. She is coming on, we have spent little behind the scenes. I've been like, we've been trying to nail this chat down for about four months. So I'm excited that it's actually about to happen. - Yes. - And the listeners are gonna be in for a treat, I'm sure. If you like us, follow us on Instagram @wherehidey. - Reality check HB, and that stands for reality check with Heidi and Brad. - Yes, and like and subscribe on iTunes and Spotify. Leave us a review. We have a lot of shows on the Hopecast network that you will like. So please follow them all. Leave us all a review. We are excited. We've got new content coming out on other shows. Yeah, we've got a lot happening, Heidi. It is exciting, but let's get to it. Let's get to Alexis. You ready for Alexis? - I'm so ready. Let's do it. - Let's get to her. Okay, Heidi, we are hitting the dance floor today. - Oh, absolutely. Whatever you want, I got to. I'm dangerous. I'm a crowding you. - Okay, thank you for joining us. So I think I'm more excited than Brad is. So I'm so, so happy I can wait to like get all the snippets of what you're doing today, et cetera. So yeah, thank you for joining us. - Yeah, absolutely. I am just so excited. You guys seem absolutely like such a fun time. So this is good to be so fun. - We are a fun time Alexis. We usually spend most of our chats, not even talking about. We spent, we just saw the Jamie from Survivor and we spent 27 minutes talking about pickleball. - Wow. - Thank you. (laughing) (indistinct) - My gosh, that would be it. Heidi, power move. She had her paddle in her hand right now, just ready to hit end on this chat so she can go play big. - Let's go to bed right here. - Where are you from? Where are you located right now? - So I'm originally from Utah, a little bit south of Salt Lake, and now I live in LA. I moved here about two years ago. - Okay, great. There's a lot of dancers from Utah. - Yes, I know. I guess there's something in our water or something. I'm sorry. - I could tell you that, but yeah. - Alexis, do you have the Netflix? You have Netflix? - Of course I have the Netflix, I have the Netflix. - I would be weird if you're like, no, Brad, I have cable. - With my generation, I go hot any source of technology. - Boomer. - So have watched Heidi, I've been well napped for this. This has been in my mind for a while. Have you watched the dancing cult that they have, the doc, the dancing cult? - Is that a show? - Alexis, you have to go watch this. - I've seen ballroom, how do you see baby ballroom? - No. - I've been seen. - No, I'm not watching ballroom. - Baby ballroom. - You'll be so entertained. It's like little, little kids. So the ballroom world is the whole, this whole other realm, I guess you could call it. You know, kids start super young and it is just very intense. It's very dramatic. The hilarious songs. - Doc, I'm talking about, it's called Dancing for the Devil, the seven M TikTok cult. - Oh my gosh. - You have me, it's a three episode doc, but it's about this guy who is an agent or he gets them and they dance and they do TikTok dances and they're successful. - Yeah, it's a lot more. There's a lot more to the cult leader, you know, thing. You got to watch it, but I think you would like it. You're a pro dancer, so you, what if she was like, I'm in that cult? That would be a funny comeback right now. - I'm just enjoying it three hours ago, Brad. She tried to recruit you and I and then she realizes I can't dance. That's the problem, literally. - No, it would be like there's a few like, very big influencers that are dancers that are part of this group. Whether it's a cult or not, or if their families are very sad, 'cause then, you know, obviously it's a one-side story. You never know, don't believe everything you watch or read, right? So you have to watch it to see what it is. - Just watch it, but what was it like when you pitched from moving to Utah, from Utah to Los Angeles? That's a big, that's a big adjustment, right? - It was major. Especially, I was born and raised in Utah, like that was all I've ever known. Honestly, when I came here, it was okay, but just not just because growing up, I would travel all across the U.S. then across the world and just everywhere for dance. And so, I was following a worker's holes and stuff out in L.A. And so I was somewhat familiar, so I think moving down here, it was a little bit easier to transition and not make, 'cause I'm like, okay, I kind of know my way around, but you know what was the most difficult part? It was like, where do I grocery shop? Where do I get my nails done? Where do I get my hair done? The hardest one was, where do I lost my car? 'Cause the end part was just like, it's just finding the little daily life tasks or probably the hardest thing for me to find, 'cause you know, you get comfortable with what you have, like back at home and it's surprising, like I think that was actually the hardest part, but it was such an adventure because I've always dreamed of moving out to L.A. - For the dance scene and just being around a lot of the dance jobs that I wanna do, they only hire L.A. vocals. It's like you have to be in L.A. And so it was crazy to think of myself as an L.A. vocal, 'cause I just associated Utah as my identity for the longest times. Like it was hard to find that little switch and path and just try to make it feel like home, 'cause it always felt like work and now I have to add the whole aspect to this. I think that was probably the most tricky thing to discover, but where then? - Well, where did you decide to buy groceries at? Was it Ralph's or was it Whole Foods or what? - Ralph's down the street. Ralph is where it's at. And then I found a Costco and so I'm like, I'm set up. And then setting up my career. - You're in the Costco's, you're in the, do you get a lot of fans? They're like, oh gosh, and they just want your photo. - The thing is, I feel like in L.A. everybody's soft thing. Everyone's like, so it's like, they don't get it. It's like, they don't get it. It's like, they're never like, oh my gosh, that sounds so soft. Okay, cool. Like continue out to my life. When I'm in Utah is actually where I feel like I get, you recognize the most. Like I got recognized in a soda shop one time or just like in a little lemon. So I think it was more common in Utah. L.A. it's not so common. Just because everyone is, you know, just on a mission doing their thing and like everyone knows everyone at a sense. - Yeah, or they're probably in some sort of other show too. So they get it. - Exactly. Like everyone's somebody here, which is continuing to be a little too many. Like sometimes I'm just like, oh my gosh. I feel like I have a posture syndrome sometime. I'm like, no, he's so close to me in our language. Like it's, it's wild. - No, I'm watching it and I watch it dance. So there's no imposter syndrome there ever. No, at least it doesn't come through the dance for sure. - Thank you. - I'm just, I'm just amazed that, when did you start dancing? You had to be what, two? Two? - I actually, well, I guess you can say in the womb, right? - Wow. - Well, I don't think so. I won't go that far. No, I actually started off as a gymnast at first. I started doing gymnastics when I was six and I absolutely loved it. And then I did it that for a couple of years and then got into dance. And I was really serious with dance when I was about like 10 or 11 is when I got like serious into it. And then I didn't, I wasn't interested in all of them until I was about 14, which in the bottom row, you start you at like two years old. And so I started at 14, I was kind of late in the game, but you know, I put my head down, did the work and it just, you know, became the style that I'm most known for. And so kind of crazy to, you know, I get a lot of questions being like, is this too late? Is it too late for me to dance for a moment? Like is it like, I'm, I just close to two holes now and I'm like, there's literally no age of how to start dance. Like all of this depends on your determination and passion. You know, how do you find your partner? - My ballroom. - In ballroom. - So, well, so I actually, I was part of my first ballroom partner was with my best friend, Ezra Sosa, who I auditioned, I ended up auditioning with on So You Think. So it was cool to have a full circle of a moment and then we do dance with the stars together as well. And yeah, we were just on the same committee and we were both looking for a partner. And so that's how we partnered up first. And then my next partner who was my ballroom partner was with the wildest. It was my, one of my coaches brothers. It was, it was just kind of in the thing. Like we were all in the same studio. He was looking for a partner. I was looking for a partner. And then we do like an audition. Basically, like we have a lesson with our coach. He teaches us the nads and we just see how our connection works together. Yeah. - And I only had two ballroom cards in my whole life, which is the okay. - That's amazing. - Yeah. - And now after the show, right, you branch out, you find yourself like dancing all kinds of styles. So do you think you're sticking with ballroom for the most part? - Yeah. So growing up, I was crushed train in all styles. So at my studio in Utah, Center Sheets Performing Arts Studio, they're one of the most well-versatile dance studios in the world. And I feel very fortunate that that's all about my training. And ever since I was little, I loved every single style. There was one moment, I think it was like my junior year of high school that I just did ballroom from that year. And it was fun 'cause obviously that was my, like it's my flavor, it's my personality. But there's just something that like in this game. And so my senior year, I looked back and I did all styles and there's just something so special about that. I think that's why I felt a lot of hoods so you think you can dance. Like when I would watch it as a kid and learn about all these new styles and see people, yeah, I'm gonna come for kind of the kind of these things. I was like, I had it so cool. Like I wanna do that one day. I wanna be up there and try all these styles. Like it's just, there's always something to learn for each one. - And I just related. That's the right one in the sense. And so when I graduated, I'm like, you know, I didn't wanna just do the ballroom world. I wanted to incorporate everything and go into the entertainment world. So like say, think and some sort of stuff. That was my dream. And yeah, and when after I graduated high school, Derek Cuff kicked me up and I joined his first solo tour. And that was probably the biggest moment in my life where I realized like, oh, this is what I wanna do. Like that first show in front of like all thousands of people, like the audience, the energy. It was just very, very insightful, like magical. It was just almost like rest of clicking together. It's not amazing. - You were kind of breaking up at that point. Who's tour were you on? - Derek Cuff. - Okay, Derek Cuff. - Yes. - He's own, his sister was in the Nicholas Sparks movie, right? Is that right? - Yes, Julia. - Okay. - Julia. - Yes. - That's the point. - That's the point. - That's the point. - That's one of my favorite movies. - Stated. - I love movies. - Is that what it is? - I think that's the movie. My wife and I went to see before our son was born. That's the last movie, then he was born and it was over. But hey, that was great. I mean, not our marriage, but it was over going to movies. - Yeah. - Made it sound like our marriage was over once he was born. But what's the hardest dance to pull off? - Ooh. - That's the tricky one. - I feel like all the styles have different characters that you have to involve. So I think it's a matter of the song and what character you have to portray. What I always do in Soyuz Inc, I would say the hardest style that I had to pull off was Bollywood. Just because I was never trained in Bollywood. I had-- - With the weird hands too? - Yeah. And there was so many people. This is a lot of stuff. I have to beat this angle. Your arms have to beat. Your fingers have to go to this very partly. It was just like, this has to be exactly this angle in this case, probably, so that I wanted to do it justice. I wanted people who were bawling what represented by all the women, and that's their style. And I didn't want to-- - And they're throwing this in? - They're like, I want it to just do it justice. I really tried to work on those little details. And I wrote it as this show today. - Oh my gosh, Bollywood is one of the hardest stamina wise. - To dance craft. - You might probably be like, so out of breath when we were doing it. But it was so fascinating. But yeah, but I remember that week being one of the hardest styles I've ever had to pull off. Because again, you don't want to offend anyone. If you want to do it justice, and I didn't want to just look like a jazz dancer, like I wanted to look like a Bollywood dancer. - It's beautiful to work too. - What's your favorite-- what's your go-to dance movie, by the way? Because you probably love the dance movies, right? - On go-to dance movie, oh, this is what I do. I have a couple. I don't know why they just take one. But dirty dancing is a classic. I performed a dirty dancing number with a best friend at the World's Craft Awards. And that was just so fun to channel, you know, baby and-- - Nobody puts baby in the corner. - In the corner, nobody. Nobody can. So yes, that one, I really love "Footloose." That's kind of also-- I feel like I have like a southern girl in me, like I was says the country. So I just love just the storyline, and I love the country aspect. So yes, I've say that one. And then I would also say "Mawamea." I know it's a more singing than dancing, but even the dancing's in there. There's a lot of iconic moves in "Mawamea." - Yeah. - It's the story as well, the vibes. And yes, how do you say those are my top three? I did love the step-ups, but yes. - Okay, okay. So are you talking "Footloose," the new one or the original? - The new one. - Yeah, like the original. You had to look it up just now. There's a new one. I have not seen the new one, but it has Julianna Huff in it. So from now on, I'll be like, "The girl from "Footloose." That's what I'll say. - Yeah, the guy, the main lead, he's Kenny Wormle, and I remember taking his hip-hop classes as a kid in "Mention." So I think-- - That's amazing. - I love seeing that 'cause I love seeing my idols. And I'm like, "I know Julianna." - I'm kidding, I'm like, this is really cool. - It was just really cool. - It felt really good. - I would like it too. - Yeah, I would like to do it. - And have you been in a movie? - Alexis? - I have not, but that is on my dance bucket list. - Yeah. - Hopefully we did. - Yeah. - I'm sure we'll have-- - We're gonna cast her in reality check the movie. - Well, that's it. - I'm sorry. - I'm sorry. - Her and LA, I'm sure all will happen. Am I making this up or correct me? In the latest season of "So You Think You Can Dance," the one that just aired not long ago, you were in it at the end. Were you not? - I was. - Are you gonna be all stars? Can you tell us? Maybe I don't know if I'm breaking. Don't break any rules here, but is there gonna be an all stars show coming up? - So yeah, I was in the finale as an all star. And then I also kind of passed on the trophy to Anthony, who was the season 18 there. - Oh, that's right, yeah. - Yeah. - So it was really cool. Miss America a moment. You're not like very super proud. I'm just like, I'm gonna cry right off. Yeah. So yeah, that was really fun. I don't know as far as the future with the show, like what they're planning to do. And I haven't been informed anything. But yeah, but that was my first, all star experience. And it was so surreal to be there and to like, you back in the scene and just like, you decided that "So You Think You Can Dance" and what I came there, I was so nervous. I'm driving to the studio. I was like shaky. I was like, oh my gosh. - Not really. - I'm so nervous. - Going back, all of those feels came to me that I had before. And I'm just like, no, you're fine. You did your time. It's chill. This is always fast. - Yeah. - But why do you think about the new format? So I don't know how, 'cause they never really showed us how you guys lived before that I can remember. But now they show a little bit more about how they live. And it's all about like making the clips and the movies just kind of a little bit different format than before. What do you think about the new format? - I think there's a lot of aspects that are good. It's definitely not the original in a sentence. But it was really cool. I loved the reality aspect 'cause that much that they showed that a little more away season. Like I showed it as seen on all set by choice. But there was so much more like behind the scenes going on with us and like our bodies and just like how we all connected as the top 12. And so I do wish they showed more than that behind the scene, which is what I appreciated on this scene. I thought the challenges, I thought it was a really neat idea. And the challenges that are actually applicable in the professional world like that is how it goes down. And so I think it's really nice and insightful for the dancers to be put in those little trials so they can see what it's like and tend to decide where they wanna go in the dance world. Because the dance world is so broad. There's so many avenues that you can go on. And I didn't know that when I was younger. And so I think it's really helpful for the contestant. I do, I just love duets. So I wish that they were able to perform more duets together and try different styles in that sense. So yeah, so I'd say that's probably my take on it. - Yeah, as a viewer and a fan, I would say I think I like the aspect of seeing the regular lives. - It's almost like a reality TV, right? We got a little bit of a showman's from this last season. And we got to see some of the injuries and things that you typically don't see. And I could appreciate that a lot more 'cause I feel like you can connect even more to the dancers than just seeing them dance. You definitely see them as real. - It shows that we're human. And then we go through human emotions and we talk through human things. Like I remember right before my week one aired for the live shows, I tore my inner thigh muscle. It was really scary. - I was very into that. - Yeah, and it was scary like going through that process. And then also like going towards the finale, like we are getting like beatin' up just like mentally and emotionally, physically, like just going through the ringer. And when it got to that finale, it's like it's all about being all the dance to either who are sweeter. Just like there's a whole 'nother thing that work, like a whole 'nother amount we're climbing over. And even in the finale, our bodies were just done. And we were like in survival mode. And it was just, it was a lot more intense behind the scenes. And I remember going off of my routines in the finale, I'd come off and my body would just convulse 'cause it just wasn't shock. 'Cause it was just everything and you know, the medic would cuck. They were gonna let us then and then like get changed, go on next thing. So there was a lot that happened behind the scenes, which I wish that they could have covered more and that, but it's hard 'cause like what? - There's always one that you could show up for a few minutes. - So I know it's like the episodes could be longer, in a sense, they can show more of that. - 'Cause it just makes the dancing and the feedback that much more tactful. - Yeah. - I want to get back to you passing the trophy off, right? Okay, so you get this trophy when you win it. Do you get to keep a trophy? Trophy or did you have to give that trophy up? They give you one to keep and then pretend to give one on the stage like 'cause I would be mad if I got to give my trophy up. - No, they didn't do the trophy and that's the trophy you take home. - But when you passed it, were you passing your trophy? - No, I'm asking their trophy. - Okay, good. - Yeah, all of that. - Minus, say at my place, not home anywhere. - Okay, good. - I actually have an attack route. - I give my curse to the first little bit. - 'Cause Alexis and Heidi, if I won, so you think, 'cause I guess that's the shorthand, right? I like that. I would brag to, I would bring you over, like, 'cause I'd be like, I want you to look at my trophy. Is that right there? - You'd be pouring the trophy everywhere. - I would, you would be like, you and Heidi. You and Heidi would be having coffee and y'all would see me walking down the street and you would go, - He's gonna bring it up so you think, just watch. - And then I would come up and go, so you think-- - Yes, oh my gosh, thank you. One of my favorite things to look back on is when they show me winning, like, when I was not expecting it and my knees just gave out when I heard Tatsay's name. Like, I just listen, just utter shock. But what gives me every time I watch that back is after that happens, it pans to my family and I just see, like, my mom crying. My husband's just like, losing it. My dad's just choking and that just, like, it all makes me emotional, not because I'd be going out of it. But just seeing that scene, like, that reaction literally means, yeah, absolutely, because they were with me from the very beginning. When, you know, so you know, it was a dream of mine. They were there through all the lows and the hardships and, you know, loud and playing good enough. Then they were there for the little wins. And so they were, they saw my whole journey, even just staying up to audition. You know, I was so scared to audition. It took me several years to get the dots to do it. And, you know, and they were with me throughout each, each technique. And my husband came to every single live show and my parents came whenever they could. And so they just, it was really special to just, like, have them there and see my dream come to life. They were there from the very beginning. Like, what the dream was being created. And so I think that's what was the most special of that moment. - Where did you meet your husband at? - We were high school straight here. - Oh my gosh, that's amazing, I love that. - That is amazing. - How long have you been married for? - So this November will be six years. - Wow. - Yeah. - It's amazing. - Guys, I was married at 18. - Wow. - Oh my gosh. I would admit a terrible husband at 18. - Oh, how long were you when you were in the show? - When I was on the show, I was 21 and I turned 22 during the show. - Also, your husband was already your husband by the time you were on the show. - Yeah. Yeah, that's really there, like, before my dance career, like, we're truly picked off. And he picked up and he saw all my prophecies and dreams. And it was just really cool to have him on that dream. He's just the best support system one can ask for, especially in this industry and in this world, like, yeah. - That was also what was amazing. - That's amazing. - It's all about it, you know? - It was so special for some of you that are seeing him in the audience. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Is he a dancer also or no? - No, not at all. (laughing) - You actually think he has some kinds and all kinds of things. - Who maybe have, like, a move or two? - No. - He's a devil. - He's a devil. - He's in devil's floor right now. - Oh, yeah. So, is it cool? Do you see? - You see, okay. Okay, you see, okay. So, we're competitive in our house. So, if my wife was a pro dancer, I would spend my ever-loving free time trying to beat her in dancing. That would be my life goal is to show her up. - Even if you knew, even if you knew that you were not gonna be good enough. 'Cause I cannot imagine Alex's husband trying, knowing it's like I'm never gonna get to her level. - It's good to feel. - But I would still just wanna try to prove to my wife I really worked hard to try. - I did not do you. - Yeah, that's me, that's my personality. So, I like that he's good to support you. And, you know, what do y'all like do for fun? Like, what's a night for you guys that doesn't involve dancing? - So, I would say that we're very adventurous and we love to outdoors. Take a look at you first. (laughing) - We also aren't just foodies at heart. So, we love to go and try new places and restaurants and things. And we love to go on hikes. We love to road trip. We love to care. We love to shop. Honestly, like, anything and everything. - We love to just stay in and throw on a movie. It's a popcorn. And just to be related to that. - Yeah, it's like, our thing, it's our variety. - No, it's also like crazy. - Now, when her husband gets home, she's gonna be like, look, we're watching Dance With The Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. - Yes. - He gets to look forward to that now. He's like, great. I get to hear it about dancing. We're gonna get to see it now. - Put it on the TV right now. - So, your own dancing, what do you do with Dancing With The Stars? I'm fascinated about this. I've never watched Dancing With The Stars, but I've heard a lot about it. So, what is it, what am I missing on not by not watching it? - Oh, well, it is very entertaining watching celebrities learn how to dance. And it's also really cool seeing them grow those dance. So, there's a professional dancer who will teach a celebrity and will be a partnership. Every week, they'll have different things and there's eliminations. And so, what I've been, my first season of Dancing With Stars was season 30. - Season 31, I wanna say. - Wow, that's a lot of seasons. - Yeah, so they've been along for a long time. And it is, I remember watching it as a kid and being like, this is my dream. So, yeah, so I'm a pre-croom. So, not seeing how I was on what they call troupe. And so, what that is, it's basically about a partner. We would do dances together as troupe, as like fillers, and then we would be in group dances. And then, we would stand in for a pro if anything happened. And so, there was a pro move back away at the time. And so, I had to step in and dance with her celebrity. And I was with them for two weeks. And then, bossy, you're just kind of where you're needed. And then, after the season, we'll do a tour. So, he'll go around to the nation and perform a tour. And so, I will do that. - You do choreography too? - Yeah, yeah. So, they all do choreography. And usually on the tour, we combine together with like the creative director, choreographer, and we'll create sort of our routines. So, it's very much a collaborative effort what it comes to the tour. - On the season, the pros will create their dance with us. - Right, that's right. - And then, we'll do choreography for those two weeks that you were covered, aren't you? - Yes. - Okay, that's awesome. - Yeah, so the first week, I was called in the last minute, but the day of show, I was called in. - Wow, and so I was-- - Pressure. - Yes, it was absolutely crazy. - Yeah, I got a call from a casting director. - The casting director that morning, saying the situation. So, I had to learn in my trailer, the dance on the phone, and then go with the celebrity, and go through it, and we performed that night. And then, the next week, that's when I had a full week with him, and so, I choreographed the routine, and then we performed it. And then, as troupe, we all choreographed our own little dance biz. 'Cause that's amazing. - I forgot a charger. Let me take out a charger. - Oh, I do. - I am so sorry. - No, you're good. - It's totally fine. - We did all close and personal here. - Yeah, it's totally fine. Why you're doing that? Who is the celebrity that you danced with? - Oh, that's a good question. Joseph Baer. - He's Arnold Schwarzenegger's son. Is he the one that just came out as his son like eight years ago? - Yeah. - Yeah, I remember that. The one nobody knew about until dancing with the stars. Now, do the celebrities tour after they lose, or is it just, what's the-- - So, yeah. - Fascinated by this idea. - Yeah, no, it's, yeah, so for the tour, so it's all, so it's the pros. Usually, they ask us if no one is born in four, and so dull accused of not all the pros, and not all the celebrities will tour, only a few will. And then for celebrities, they'll usually get like a couple, but we usually try to get the winner to come out to a few series, but also celebrity schedules are just so busy and crazy. And so last four, I have, let's see, I thought we had about, I think we had three, three of the celebrities on then. So that's pretty super creepy, what we do in three and four and so it's, we have like a version A of the whole show with so-and-so, a version B with so-and-so. So usually have the different versions of the show, and then depending on when that celebrity comes to the city as the show will do. That makes sense. - Do they, do they do the judging in the city, or are we watching like what it would be like to watch TV, or are you just coming out, do in ballroom dancing, and I'm up in the crowd, what's more friendly like this? - We're coming out, we're shaking our cals, Heather. We just, we are just dancing and sweating on you. (laughing) Yeah, so it's just all of that show. And then there's hosting, but so then they'll talk and basically reflect what it was like on the show this season. Yeah, we'll usually have an audience participation. And our last one, we had the dating game. So we, so they kicked me out, an audience, so I'm gonna come up and then we have. - Okay, I know I just interrupted a great conversation. But my name is Brad, and you may be listening to me, or any of the other talent we have on this network at HopeCast. We wanna thank you for listening, but also, we want you to like and subscribe to the show you're listening to. So when you're done listening, go on the iTunes, or the Spotify, and leave a great review, if you like it, and follow the show on Instagram, and any other platforms that it's on. I think we're on TikTok, so follow us on TikTok. But make sure you leave us a review. We love good reviews here at the HopeCast Network. 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If you have interest in hearing more about generous coffee, please reach out to their founder, Ben Higgins, at benhiggins@jarnismovement.com. Thank you, and back to our scheduled podcast. We've had like pro one, two, and three, and you have to have discussions and they don't have to. We did like dating, dating, something. We always have some sort of audience participation. That was mostly just us dancing our thoughts off. Yeah, I think that would be like a dance lover's dream is watching the show. Yeah. Like, I remember my sister, she danced all the way. Alexis, I had to go to dance competitions every weekend and this back in the late '80s, so there was no iPhones. It was just there from 8 a.m. to 11 p.m. of watching dancing crew troops come out and leave, come out and leave. So I'm kind of scarred at this. I mean, I got me on. But I feel like now I would enjoy it if I was at a dancing with a star's tour date. I might have to tell my wife about this. That's a difference. When you're watching your sister with like not pros versus you go watch the pros and they're so, it's almost like, maybe because I'm biased by dance. So anyways, it's kind of like adult ice campaigns, right? I don't know what that is. 'Cause Alexis, you know what ice campaigns do, right? I do know. Yeah. Okay, it's where you dance. I love my age. Ice, I don't know. I think Heidi and I just showed out, right? Yeah. But I used to have to go to ice campaigns and I'd be like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. But they do the dancing on the ice and it's for kids. So dancing cars is more-- They look really nice. It's like Disney, well, they call it Disney on ice now. Ice campaign. Back when they invented television, it was when I was there, it was ice campaigns. So we can't take it to the ice campaigns. Yeah, well, say is that you won't want to see me in skates. I do not have coordination outside of dance for the life of mine. Like, no, I need that. I need that, or I need stick on ice. Oh my gosh. Don't tell Alexis, careful with the answer, but I'm still going to ask, who's your favorite dancer on the show? No, in general. Oh. I don't know. That's my question. That's a really tough one. I-- You taught me there. You don't mean it. Well, I'm sometimes I love you because-- And Travolta's a good dancer in the pulp fiction. Yeah, but you have to think of it from her perspective, right? She knows all of these professional dancers now, right? So it's all amazing in their own craft. They come from so many different varieties of dances. So I get-- I knew it would be a tough question. I was just wondering if she knew, because some people might be completely straight. This is my favorite person for whatever reason, right? I don't think I have a very straightforward answer to that, because I just really appreciate, like, so many different pros. And I feel like I admire so many different things, because each dancer has their uniqueness. And, you know, the flavor that they bring. And so I'm just in awe, basically, like, whoever I watch. I don't think I have one that is just, like, my favorite. But it's like the whole splitting in the main cast. I just love, gosh, you match. And all the dancers and, like, team activists. So many dancers from that age. Like, even Greece. Like, I've seen Don for a while trying. Like, I just love seeing his, or, like, you know, sci-fi, but then even, like, in the nowadays movies. Also, like, I love ballerinas. Like, I just love watching them. And, like, the professional and ballroom world. Like, I have so many roles, and I just love watching. And so I don't think I have a favorite, but I just-- I appreciate everyone's, like, the variety of professionals. Is that all I still like-- I like to, like-- I just, these don't mean to the things for each one. And no, and just the different paintings, I guess, like, inspire me, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I have to explain. I have two left feet, but I will say this. I love the dance-off in the movies. Those are always the really good scenes. And I'm always amazed that, like, if you challenge me to a dance-off, I would-- these guys have the names. You have dominated it. I should just practice for a future dance-off, Heidi. I think everyone dancing with the stars requests me as your pro. Hi, guys. And then we just show 'em all up. Honey, I'm going to California, and I'm going to dance with Alexis, who won, so you think. And I'm going to be a pro now. So I'm giving it all up. That's my move. I have questions about wardrobe, especially, like, so you think you can dance, right? How does that work? Like, do the choreographers pick it? Do you have people picking the clothes? Tell me about how does that work? Yes. So you think there's so many teams. Like, it is a contemporary, like, so much frozen sweat. And so we have a whole hair department. We have a whole makeup department. We have a whole wardrobe department. And so once you get to the live shows every week, they'll all have a meaning, the director, the producer, the choreographer, and then with all the different departments. Hair, makeup, wardrobe. And they'll talk about the seal of the dance. And the choreographer will discuss what their vision is. And then they'll all kind of talk through the look together to create a look for that week. And then we'll go into fittings for that dance. When it comes to our solos, we had to bring our own costumes. Ah, yeah. Because here's why that's so interesting. I think in the late-- and I don't know if you saw all the dances from, so you think you can dance this is the very last season. Look at that. Yeah, I see this. I have that costume. Let me see. Do you? But in one of the-- I'm pretty sure it was a solo. There was one particular solo that the outfit was so distracting. I want to say it was maybe like a hoodie or something. She was dancing and something kept getting tangled. But I'm pretty sure it was a solo. So that makes more sense. Because I was like, how come the choreographer, the producer, so that answers them why? I'm pretty sure that's what happened. I'm throwing outfits right now. Why are you talking? Oh, yeah. Did you ever have a malfunction on with outfits and something like that? Tell us more if you did. Also, you think you were just in time. In general, any time it's like while dancing a show. Yes. Yes, I know. Tell me more. What happens when there's been times where when I was younger, I was competing and my top clip came and done. Oh, my gosh. And so we were a flashy flash, and so then I danced. The best of the dance, like the best school we've ever ever had any dance competitions I went to. I'm just saying. Yeah, that was-- that was a rare case. But there was sometimes-- I have a very short make. Like, I'm just a-- I'm a very short person. And sometimes this shirt was too long. So there's been instances where I'd trip. Or, like, if we're kicking and my heel got caught on my shirt, and I just fell down. There's a whole range of things that have gone wrong. But you know, we-- I'm going to last on it. It's great. Alexis, Heidi and I are short people. Are you shorter than us? Probably. No, we're five foot. Yes. OK, good. So you're probably going to close the side up, then. Are you all right? I got my shirt. And five, too. Five, two. Also, so we are right here together. I'm like five, six, right? I'm five, two, but I feel like I'm, like, five, 11 for everything I do. And then I'm like, oh, I'm so sure. I wish it just happened. I'm like vertically challenged for many things. That's why the baller peels. I have the biggest heel. So I'm like, I want the most instant to get it. I get that. I should wear lifts when I walk around. So people go, wow, Brad's almost six feet now. That would be what I'd like. OK, just a talk. OK. No, we are still fun fast. We are. I embrace being short. So Alexis, how do you notice that I have a penchant for having to pee a lot? And I do go to the bathroom quite a bit. When you're dancing, what happens if you got to pee? Is it hard to focus on the moves? Because I feel like if I get out there and I got to go, I'm like, oh my gosh, I got to make sure I do this. I got to do this. Like, what's this? So I have a thing called the Nervasties. Every single time before I'm about to do a show or a performance, I get the Nervasties or the Nervasties number two. OK, well, that's my next question. It's normal. I've got to pitch for you in a minute. I'm just going to show, like, on tour. I always look in my lineup of what I like, what my dances are. I always try to find an area. That's my poly breaks. Whether it's a quick few numbers I have time to just run backstage, but we do my thing, go back, continue on. So I always try to find a monitor. But no, if I mean, I was like, well, I've done the show. Again, like, I cannot go one show without having to Nervastie. But it just happens every time. The outfits. I cannot imagine that sometimes it's like, you know, how to put it all back. It's complicated. Yeah, I imagine that. I go on stage. I feel like I enter just this other dimension in other world. And so all that matters is like the music and the moves in the audience. And so I get distracted and then I go off. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I really have to see you. So that's kind of what this looks like. Alexis. So I had-- I chatted with Amelia Milo. She is the star of Phantom of the Opera. She's only Phantom of the Opera tour, or she does the tour. Anyway, I pitched this to her. I can't imagine. She's out there three hours straight. Wow. Performing. And she does two shows a day, I think, is what she told me. That's a lot of work. That's crazy. I pitched the Opera for you. Opera. OK. We can change it to the dancing diapers. That's terrible. You're out there. Yeah. You got to pee. You're just dancing. You're like, it's all you know. All you're saying is, I've used teams with the dancing at the stars costumes. Yes, you got a lot of shows. With this to be appealing to people, we can put a reality check logo on it. And Alexis, you can be our partner. Boom, dancing diaper. They see you now, you just don't think. And I'm like, OK, there is some stuff we got to work out, but we could get close. Yeah. But talking about Broadway, Alexis, have you brought away? We asked you about movies. Have you done any Broadway shows? I have not, actually. But I loved whenever I would travel to New York for dance jobs or performances. I always would try to see it. Broadway, I have such a love for Broadway, but I can't sing for the lives of mine. And so I don't know. But I would love to do that song. But yeah, it's also part of the dance bucket list. And one of my friends who did the show, she was a rock cat. And I was called to just hear the first word, but yeah. No, I would absolutely love to do that way. It's given the opportunity. Yeah, that's amazing. I just saw the Tonys this week. I watched them delayed. But I just saw one of the shows that was nominated was a dancing show. And I was mesmerized by it, so I had to look it up. So it's very cool to see, like, you don't always have to be a singer to be in the show, right? But yeah, I agree with you. There's a lot of singing/dancing opportunities. There's a few less for dancing, but there's quite a few there. So just keep, you know, what would probably be your guy's his dream Broadway to be in. Oh my gosh. My favorite, I have straight answers. I mean, my top two are Les Mess and Hamilton. So totally to Hamilton, because Hamilton has good dancing, good choreographies there. Great one. Yeah, for me, Sweeney Todd or the producers. OK, I don't think I've seen those. You haven't seen-- I've seen the movie Sweeney Todd. Never seen the Broadway. It's Johnny Depp. He's like singing, and then he's killing, it's singing, he's singing, killing. Amazing. It's like a horror movie on Broadway. I think it's Angel Lloyd Webber. John Wick action. Yeah, I like that. Because, you know, I'm not big into the Broadway, but I need to get more cultured. That's my goal. What about you, Alexis? I think my dream of Broadway is-- I think F3. I was you on the latest. I love Les Vince, and then I would say Wicked. That was on "Mama Mia." He had to love "Mama Mia" earlier. I love "Mama Mia." I love the soundtrack. And "Back to the Future" has a musical now, and I would like to see that. That's traveling around. It's touring. "Back to the Future" the musical. My favorite movie of all time, so I definitely won't see it. I was just looking at the Broadway musical. I'm pretty sure it's called "Elly Noise." But I want to look it up, because the girl who danced as part of it in "The Tonys" was a girl from "So You Think You Can Never." But I have to look at her name, because I don't remember her name from the get-go, but-- [INTERPOSING VOICES] Maybe. I don't know. She did a Broadway. She did "Finding Neverland." The movie or the Broadway show? The Broadway show. I'm going to look it up now to tell you. Yes. Yes. Well, I sound-- it looks familiar. I'm not going to say yes or no, but anyway-- Yes, you can be more than that. Um, but anyway, I did-- back to-- sorry about that. She's amazing. She's short. She's five, three, two, three, two. She-- Yes. Yes. That's crazy. Where are we at now? What about the dance-- what do you like when they do the-- what's-- were they just breaking a dance at a mall? What's that called? "Flasp Mall." A "Flasp Mall?" Yes. I want to be at a flash mob one day in my life. Then we need to create one. Like, we need to create-- Next time our families are in Los Angeles, let's give them-- we'll do a flash mob at-- at-- we could do it at the growth. We could figure that out. Like, I'm-- yeah. I think it's the perfect place. When those were popular, I totally wanted to be part of one. I really did. I really was like, how can I just be part of one? Because they made them into, like, shows and big things and big props. And I was like, I just want to be part of it. It looked fun. I don't think that's the thing anymore, though. I was three-started. They'd laugh us out of the groove. That's-- she was in the business. Yeah. Yes, I love her. She's so talented. Super talented. And she was-- she was great. I saw-- I saw-- I saw-- I was like, I know her from somewhere where, anyway. Yeah. But it's a dancing show. So it's apparently a new Broadway show. So maybe-- who knows? Maybe we'll see you in that one in a few years. Yeah, yes. Because they never seen her. A couple more things I want to ask. One, was there a judge that-- was there a judge where you're like, man, you're judging me. Extremely too harsh. Too high. Yeah, and you're like, this is taking me off. Like, you go back-- and were y'all in, like, barracks? Like, how long did the season take to film? Very thick. Yes. Like, what was-- were y'all like in your own little dorms or they give you a hotel? Like, what happened here? Yeah, so high in line, we set up our submissions in, I want to say, around March. And then April was kind of our next round. So we were there for maybe, like, a week. And then the live shows, like where you see all the dancing in the tunnels. That happened at the end of May. And I think we wrapped in July, I want to stay. Just when we wrapped. So yeah, it's like a good all over a month or two. And yeah, they kept us in these apartment complexes and all that was kind of the thing. And so we had to get a coma test it every day. Yeah, and it was just because I was really allowed to see my family a lot. Yeah, see. So they kept us and we were trying to knit a bubble. And yeah, we had someone that would always pick us up and take us everywhere. And yeah, like, we never had much free time. Like, if we did every time, like me and a couple of my friends, like we would go to contest their key places and do like saunas and whole plunge because that was like the biggest way that we helped our body to recover. So we were really allowed to see a PT, not only saw a PT once a week, which was crazy for them out of dancing we did. So it was kind of crazy. And yeah, going back to your judging question, it was hard because every judge has their own opinion, their own flavor, what they like to see. And so in the beginning stages, where it was Twitch, JoJo, and Matthew, it was hard because like all of them, I'm like, actually like they're all kind of different. Like, you know, JoJo cut a coast from her contemporary, the dance mom world and training. We did dance in the stars. I feel like she was the more knowledgeable, the bar aspect. And then twice, you know, he was hip hop and he's very much like very well knowledge on that. His wife was a big ballroom contemporary dancer too. And Matthew Morrison accused her very much, just like Broadway. And then when we went to Leah Remini, she was very much like actor or actress that she was based on character and she loved the storytelling. And so I think for me, it was just hard to try to like, I was just so scared to please them all 'cause there was so much I could do. So I just kind of have the mentality of just going in, doing my absolute best and trying to just completely consume myself in the story, in the dance and just hope that wasn't enough. I think my biggest one, I was like kind of in a series. In a sense, it was top six and we did a girls' hip-hop piece. And ballroom, I'm very familiar with the structure tangentially, which is a ballroom. Hip-hop is very like loose and groovy. And so I was trying to really get Aaron. I know like Twitch made like a comment and his was probably the one that scared me the most just 'cause it came from hip-hop. I'm not as in my top group, so much hip-hop. And so I think that was my most like scary one. So yeah, I thought it was a... - Leah Remini, I like her. She's on "King of Queens," which is one of my all-time favorite shows. - She's hilarious, I love her. - She has spent the last, what, six years just taking a ballback to Scientology. - I mean, she, that's her life mission. And yeah, that was cool. And non-ep, she judged non-episodes, wow. - Yeah, she did. - And I actually loved her. - I love her energy. - And was Nigel still involved as a producer when you weren't in that show? - Yes, so he was still a producer, but he just was behind the scenes, I believe. But I never, not the only time I saw him was in our opening night of the live shows. It was like there's something anniversary with certain other episodes. And they like cut Kate before we started the show and like he was there for that. - That's what they kind of saw him in person. Other than that, I think he just was mostly behind the scenes. - Mm-hmm, wow. - But she was a judge for many, many years, so. - Yeah. And I think higher was the first year he didn't judge. - Okay, is that the show JoJo came up on or no, what was she on? - She came up on dance homes. - Or is it very young? - She came from Abby's Ultimate Dance Competition? - I don't know what that is. - Yeah, so the owner of dance homes, like the teacher, like Abby Lee, she, um, had to know her own dance competition and then I can shoot with fruit, um, to go to dance homes. But I would say, he's like, that's where it started. And then went to dance homes, but she went to her dance homes. - Did she go to prison? - She's horrible. - I did not. - Abby and JoJo. - I'm still even saying to a person. - No, JoJo, no. - I don't know JoJo. I don't know. - I'm happy to. - I don't know. - I don't really keep track of all of that. - You don't get prison weekly? Come on, Alyssa. - I got my own unique outfit though. - Oh gosh, I want TMZ to like record you pickleballing. That's my dream. Look, I want TMZ and see you a bit. Oh my gosh, there's Alexa. - I'll show everybody. - I'm gonna let him practice my serve a little bit more. - Oh my gosh, Alexa, I gotta be, I gotta, this has been fun. Heidi, Heidi asked the question you love to ask. - Yeah, so, well, if we're rubbing it up, typically, Alexa's, I always like to give you an opportunity, give our guests an opportunity to tell us, what are you up to today? Where can people follow you today, right? Like, what are, what, what would you like to share with everyone who's listening before? - Yeah, they put funny on Instagram or Chick-fil. So, you know, Alexa's underscore war with two R's. - Yeah, right, y'all, I've been busy. I just got off touring with Derek and Jasmine starts before that. And then I've been just doing a lot of projects and jollibes here and there. And, you know, we're just seeing where the wind takes me right now. We're going at the flow, we're trusting the process. And I'd say like, if I could end it saying one day now, just to tell people to just keep trusting the process and trusting in God's timing and just doing our best with every single opportunity you're given. - And yeah, it's, you know, I, I, people kind of ask a lot like, you know, what I'm, what I want to do and like, certain roles. And so I have them, but I think right now I'm, I'm at that point in my life where I'm just really trying to open myself up to new opportunities and just keep open of art and just try this and just really go with the flow and just trust the process. 'Cause whatever's meant for you will come. - And so yeah, that's kind of what I'm been working on right now. - You would have stopped letting this year hold you back and forth. - Amazing. - Okay, so real quick, before I want you, I want to follow up on that. What's an opportunity? What's something in your mind outside of the dance world that you would like to do professionally? - Broadway and movies. Come on now. - But Broadway and movies. - Besides Broadway and movies, we've done that. Like, do you see, do you like to cook or you, you're a chef or can we see you on top chef one day? - Yeah, I think that's why I'm trying to describe two is my identity outside of dance. So that's my biggest, you know, joy and love in life. But you know, I really love so many things. Like I love cooking, I do. I love makeup and being creative like that. - Yeah, I don't really know. I think that's what this point, but I'm trying to discover it. I think for now, I'm in the discovery areas with that. - I love what you said, though. Like, you know, I'm thinking, I've got stripped everything away from you. - Yeah. - You're dancing and everything. And you were just Alexis. What would you do? And you would, you would-- - I would go on the cruise for the rest of my life. - I got you. - I make him live. - Your husband would like that. He's in dental school. So I don't like to be in a living room. It'd be like, I really like you home so we can go play pickleball. - Yeah, absolutely. No, but honestly, I really love the idea of acting. And I would love to incorporate that into my forte and hopefully that can bring on Broadway, that can bring on movies. But yeah, I really love to dance and I would love to get into acting right now. - Amazing. I really hope your dreams come true, whatever that is next. - Yes. Thank you. - Thank you. Thank you for your time and thank you for your energy. Beautiful energy. I love you already. I knew I loved you. I loved you from the show. So I'm so excited to get to meet you now. - You're my all-time favorite dancer, Alexis. I'm telling you, if people ask you from now on, I'm gonna say Alexis, you know why? Because you actually want to come on chat with us and you're always welcome to come back and shoot the breeze with us. 'Cause you've been amazing. - Well, you guys are so sweet and just so funny as you just talked to. We learned as a new BFF. So I, yeah, loved to meet the fact. - I'm gonna let my wife know that my BFF now is the winner of So You Think. - Absolutely. So keep together. - Hold on. It's funny you said that, Alexis. I was so excited. We should, if Alexis would want to be a part of this, you know, we've got Chef Lee, who's gonna be cooking from Hell's Kitchen. And we're gonna try to copy what Chef Lee makes on her podcast, on our network. And we've got Kamal, who's a doughnut maker. And what if Alexis would send us dance moves? We record them. And then we drop them on the Instagrams. - Or the TikTok. - And we get like a lot, yeah. - I think we're gonna ask you to read a food idea. I'm like, ah, I got some grilled cheese. - Hold on, Alexis, hold on, Alexis. You can be a part of this challenge with us, if you will. And Chef Lee's gonna have a pod where she brings on people and she talks to chefs like we're doing right now. And they have recipes and we, on the Hopecast Network, are gonna try to copy those recipes and make them. So you can be a part of that, if you will. It's a challenge. - I might have like a nailed it experience. - No, I'm definitely gonna have a nailed it experience. - Well, ordinary people, like, we don't know like how to cook just like Chef Lee that we're doing that. Are you proposing that she puts a little clip for us to dance like something that we do what she's about to do? - And then I'll have my wife record it. And I'll try to do the dance. And then we'll post it and she can critique it. She can be our judge. - Okay. - All right, Alexis, you didn't know you're coming on to now be roped into lifelong, you know, dancing moves with a non-paid professionals. - I can't wait, let's show. - Or I didn't know how many people, non-dancer people try and Alexis moves. That's essentially what it is. - But I wanna see Alexis try Chef Lee's stuff. - Let's try Chef Lee's stuff. - Yeah. - I wanna see Alexis try Chef Lee's recipes. - Oh, which he can actually do that. - I can whip it up more than Baker than a cooker. So this will be interesting. We might have a lot of orange hands, but I'll show you my best. - You'll know how to film it just right. And we'll drop it on our Instagrams. And everybody'll be like, oh my gosh. Not only can she win, so you think you can dance, she can beat Heidi and Brad in cooking. - But it looks better than Chef Lee. - I don't know how you beat someone at cookies. It's just like who's the least burned? - Oh, now I make the best homemade cookies. I'm known for that. - I wanna find out how it goes at good time. - Request my homemade cookies. - Well, I might have you ship something 'cause it's 'cause maybe I'll sleep. - Maybe I will. Will they be good if I ship 'em though? - Maybe I know. - Yeah. - I mean, a couple of crutches, they're like, how do you think? - I'm shipping both of you some homemade cookies. It's happening. I'm gonna make 'em. - All right. - I will whip 'em up. - That's what happens when you're chatting with Heidi now. We'll just hear something the next thing you know, we've been five minutes. - Also cooking. - Roking you now, part of our family. - We're holding you hard from pickleball. - I don't want one on it. - We're holding you from pickleball. - Yes, yes. Go play. - It's all dark. - Oh my gosh, wow. I just, yeah, yeah. But Alexis, thank you so much for coming on reality check. Make sure you leave the app open so it'll upload, by the way. - Yeah, okay. That was good. - Yeah. - I'll hand the scenes there, people are hearing that. Just leave it open and you're always welcome and I will ship you some. I will follow up with you on that. I'll make it and I'll send some to you. I'll be honored to get your you and Heidi to do a taste test for me. - Thank you. Nice meeting you, Alexis. Thank you so much. - Thanks, Alexis. - It's so nice to meet you guys. Thank you so much. - Have a good night. - You too, bye. - Heidi, that was amazing. She's so sweet, I loved her. - She was amazing. It was a great chat. Hopefully the listeners had as much fun as we did. I feel like you and I just have so much fun chatting with people. Like, it's amazing. And she was great and I love seeing you. You love the show so I could just see all over your face. - I know the show. I'm pretty sure I watch like every season there is on so you think you can dance, so. I've watched zero minutes of so you think you can dance. - Come on. - I'm going to have to watch Alexis now. I'm going to go tell my wife we're now watching Alexis. - Yeah. - And I will ship those cookies out. I promise, we're going to get those cookies made. - Yes. - You think she'll actually take us up on that offer and send us a dance move so we can pray. - I would do it. I mean, if she sends it to us, I would totally do it. I feel like my kids would get involved in all because they love doing that stuff too. - I think so too. - We should totally do it. - Well, Heidi, tell the listeners where they can find us. - Hey God, so you can find us on Instagram, reality check, HB, and that stands for reality check with Heidi and Brad. Please follow us. We have so much content this year that's been so, so fun. The variety behind the people we've had so far, it's been amazing so fun from us to make it. So I really hope it's fun for the listeners. So please follow us and just, you can listen to us and pretty much everywhere you can listen to podcasts. - Yeah. - Read us, read us there as well. - Yeah, follow us on iTunes and Spotify, subscribe. Leave us a review, tell us how much you like what we do 'cause we like to read good stuff. Not that. - Today was a fantastic day. - It was, thank you, Heidi, thank you listeners, and we will see you next time on reality check. - Bye. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
