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Say yes to summertime fun and all the cash back that PayPal has to offer. Download the PayPal app. Redeem points for cash and other options. Terms apply. Harris has some real momentum right now. I'm in her party. It is energized. The polls are tightening. The money it is flowing and President Barack Obama's endorsement is coming any day now, they say. But then comes the hard part. Sustaining the momentum and not doing what Mike Tyson once said is the worst thing that you could do, peak too early. Her political haters are trying their hardest to get her to take some kind of dangling bait. They're peppering her with nicknames and they're insulting her professional during their demeaning her as a woman and a candidate. Meanwhile Harris has shown us the last couple of days that she is refining her message to the American people and the electorate. We saw some of that in the new ad that she rolled out today with a Beyonce soundtrack fighting for freedom, saving democracy, not going back, but there's one unique to her. And it really, I mean it's a maid for Hollywood message. The prosecutor taking on a convicted felon. As Attorney General of California, I took on the Big Wall Street banks and held them accountable for fraud. Donald Trump was just found guilty of fraud on 34 counts. So hear me when I say I know Donald Trump's type. But you know, there's a catch here because you might remember that her experience as a DA, some say, cost her in the Democratic primary in 2020 when critics hit her hard as being too hard on crime. Well now Republicans want to take a page out of that very book or maybe at least try to. Tim Alberta reports that Trump allies told him they planned to quote "assault her left flank with accusations of Harris over incarcerating young men of color when she was California's Attorney General." At the same time, they want to hit her from the right as being too liberal. One example you're going to hear Republicans bring up dates back to 2004 when she was a San Francisco DA. That year she didn't pursue the death penalty for a suspect who was charged and later committed to killing a cop. Now I personally have seen this movie before. Have you not? It was called Bush vs. Dukakis and the trailer was actually a Willie Horton ad. So the question for everyone is which is it? Is she too soft on crime or is she too hard on crime? What is the strategy here and what will be the winning strategy? Now Trump speak it all morphs into, well this. Now that she's running for president, Kamala is suddenly trying to transform her personality to pretend she is tough on crime. She's so bad on crime. In fact, Kamala Harris was the original Marxist district attorney. It's Kamala. I mean it's Kamala. He must know that, right? I say it every single night. In fact, for the last four years she's been the vice president, her name has always been Kamala Harris. But it'd be nice to have a debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump play out, wouldn't it? But tonight, it's not exactly clear if we're going to get even that chance. Because his campaign is saying they won't commit to a debate until Harris is officially the nominee. Of course, all but the confetti has already fallen. Joining me now, Elena Plott Calabro, she is a staff writer for the Atlantic, Joe Walsh, Republican former congressman, and Karen Fenny, ACN political commentator. Glad to have you all here. Let me begin with the debate. I think everyone wants to see this debate happen. The debate of course is going to be a very important moment as we've seen just what four weeks ago at this point in time. But Harris says that she is ready to debate right now, Joe. What is the problem with the Trump team? I think Donald Trump wants to be in the news. I think that's all he's doing right now. By the way, can we just all acknowledge, and I know I have to watch my language on your show, only a jerk would purposely mispronounce an opponent's name. And we know Laura why he's doing it. We know exactly who he's appealing to, shame on him that's just freaking despicable. I think Trump is afraid, I don't think he knows how to handle her, but he has to debate her. And I think he wants to debate her, I think he's just trying to grab some headlines right now. What's the deal with mispronunciation? I mean, it almost has a tired old record that almost feels like a bad dad joke. Yeah, actually it's pretty intentional, right? It is about demeaning her. It is about treating her as if she's insignificant. It is, again, it's also trying to grab headlines, the fact that we're talking about it. But it's the kind of thing that, and it's something we see against women candidates and particularly women of color, it's othering, right? And so it's important that we call it out for what it is. At the same time, it's important that we acknowledge we're not going to be distracted by that. We're still going to talk about, like, I mean, you know, I'm sure she has had people mispronounce her name her whole life. So, you know, it doesn't phase her, but we know what he's trying to do when he does it. And, you know, here's what I think is interesting about it, though, for those suburban women that he has continued to struggle with, they're going to see that kind of thing, and particularly if they are on a debate stage, and it's going to remind them all the things they don't like about him and that level of disrespect that he kind of got away with in 2016 against Hillary Clinton, that's not actually going to fly this time. You can't wait. Kind of. I mean, I take the word kind out, but let me ask you about this, I want to get back to you a second, Joe. Elena, you wrote this really fascinating article, and, of course, you all know I'm a former prosecutor. So the idea of the attacks of somebody being too soft or too hard on crime, it's just mind-boggling. You're talking about a former attorney general of the second largest justice department in this entire country. But you talk about the framing that she is now doing in this split screen. The prosecutor versus the felon. How might this play differently now than it did in 2020? So I could talk about this ad nauseam because I really find it this fascinating. When I listened to her announcement speech from Wilmington on Monday, I thought this is the most confident that I've heard Kamala Harris and I've covered her for quite some time now. And I think the reason was is that she finally embraced her record as a prosecutor without caveat, which was not the case in 2020. I think what you saw happen in 2020 is she had advisors around her, many of whom said, "This is not the moment to be a prosecutor. This is not the moment to elevate yourself as someone with experience and law enforcement." George Floyd with head-dismally example, and her response to her, advisors was understandably exasperation, "But this is my background. What else am I supposed to talk about?" And it ended up resulting a lot of times in moments where it just seemed like she sort of withdrew into a caricature of the moment's politics rather than somebody who was coming at issues authentically. And I think that's the difference in the Kamala Harris we see today. Can I just point out, so there's about 20 years of research that shows actually the pathway for women running for executive office and to date it had been governors with the AG. It was one of the toughest things for women is to prove that you're going to be tough on crime. The economy and being tough on crime are security, right? And if we look at the history, a lot of our women governors, they were AGs. I think actually what was going on in 2019 was something very different. I think she understood if a black woman, talking about being a prosecutor or the top cop, was going to hit people's ears differently than it was if you're white or black or brown. And I think she had a team around her who didn't fully understand that, who I think at times thought, "Oh, well, this is great. This is a great issue for her to seem like she's tough on crime." And it's going to, quote, unquote, play against type. And I think in her gut, she knew that it wasn't that it was going to play a little differently for different audiences. I think, sorry, the distinction that I think they're trying to make this time is a very intentional line from being a prosecutor and prosecuting the kinds of crimes that Donald Trump himself very specifically perpetrated. And politically in 1920, she was trying to win a Democratic primary. So she didn't want to come off as too tough on crime. This is a perfect situation for her. She's running against the Republican. She's got to win voters in swing states. Well, you've got the law and order, well, they say to the law and order party, the Republicans. And then, again, I am fascinated by any gut check that when someone's looking to be the head of the executive branch, they wouldn't rely on that executive experience, I think that it's important to talk about one's professional career and experience. And for those who would think that a black prosecutor would be antithetical to civil rights, you're talking to one who was a civil rights attorney as well. But she has to embrace that at a time right now when you've got these convictions and the authenticity issue, I'm wondering about in particular, that has been the perception about her. Why do you think that has stuck as her being somehow inauthentic but one facet of her identity? I think, frankly, a lot of it is inconsistent media attention to her across her vice presidency. I think what has happened is that the first year and a half in her vice presidency, neither she nor importantly, Joe Biden really had a coherent vision of what role she should play as a number two. And that really hurt her. I've written also a lot about this, how I think Joe Biden really did poorly by Kamala Harris, especially when he had framed himself as a bridge to the next generation. He and his team did not invest much time at all into how they were presenting her to the American people, saddling her with no win issues in those early days. And so what I think happened is that that year and a half came to define her vice presidency and people seemed to have stopped paying attention after that. But if you're on the ground with her, what you saw happen in 2022 when the Dobbs decision leaked, Kamala Harris regained faith, I think, in her own political instincts. She saw that abortion was going to dictate the midterms and she was virtually the only official in Washington who saw that at the time. And even her own advisors, they weren't challenging her, but they would come to her and say, Madam Vice President, we've got the latest polling that says the economy is what's going to motivate voters. And she'd say, and she would say, I'm in Texas, I'm in Missouri, you know, I'm on the ground talking to independent women and men who are telling me a different story. And so that sort of rebuilding her own faith and her own instincts to me, that culminated in the address that we saw Monday. And I think her team, understandably, is exasperated by kind of the people who are like, where has this person been? They're like, well, she, you know, she's been here for quite a long time. You know, you just really have it been paying attention. I'm really intrigued by this. I want to continue this conversation. Everyone just stand by it just for a moment. All this talk of messaging, what are the polls saying about what people actually think? I want to bring in CNN's here, data reporter Harry, and he's over at that magical wall of his. Harry, look, there are now a number of polls, surprise, surprise, looking at the Harris Trump matchup. And it's showing a very tight race. What are you seeing? You mentioned a very tight race, and I will say absolutely a very tight race here. But here's the thing to keep in mind. I think there's all this talk of all this Harris momentum. Maybe there's a slight bit of momentum, but I would argue it's actually a little bit small than folks think. So pre-biting dropping out, look, Trump was up by two over Harris. We look at the polls now this week. What do we see? We see Trump is up by one over Harris. The massive change is actually the change of candidates because prior to Biden dropping out, he trailed by six points in these exact same polls that we look at here where Harris was only trailing by two points. So the movement is actually from Biden to Harris, not actually Harris herself necessarily moving. More than that, there's a bit of a warning side in the polling data for Democrats. All this talk of Harris coming in and the Harris momentum, perhaps ignores a little bit that Trump has a little bit of momentum of his own. So look at this, a favorable view of Trump. These are all polls taken at the Republican National Convention, ABC News Ipsos, 40%. That's the highest ever favorable rating Trump had in that poll. How about Quinnipiac, 46%. That's the highest for this pollster. How about the New York Times, the highest in this particular poll? So the fact is, yes, Harris has come in perhaps with a bit of momentum, but Trump is doing polling the best he ever has in the minds of the American public, at least according to these three pollsters. That's interesting to think about. I always joke around with cynics about the polls. I mean, everyone always says they never asked me, so how accurate can a poll be? What is the reality? Are the polls, do you think, on point at this juncture? Yeah, so look, the polls can be right now. But they're just a snapshot in time, and I think we can get a pretty good view of this by looking at how far the polls are at this point compared to the final margin. On average, in '72, they're off about six points. But they can shift even more than that. Go back to 1988, remember Michael Dukakis was taking on George H.W. Bush. The polls then were taken just after the Democratic National Convention. And what do we see? We saw Dukakis had a huge lead. Of course, what ended up happening was George H.W. Bush won that race relatively easily. So the polls actually shifted 26 points from now to the final result. The fact is, with all of the stuff that is going on, everything that has happened over the last month or so, I wouldn't be surprised if we got a larger shift than normal. But even if we got an average shift, six points, that could change the entire ballgame and make one candidate a winner and the other one a loser, we're just going to have to wait and see what happens. I mean, we're only about 100 days away at this point. And then there's this question, while Harris, the top of her ticket, it's an incomplete ticket at this particular juncture. But the Republican ticket that is completed, Trump and, of course, J.D. Vance, he seems to be in a lot of hot water, justifiably, for taking the country as run by a bunch of, how did he put it, childless cat ladies who are miserable? How are his poll numbers? Yeah, you know, I think it is just worth noting, let's take a listen at this clip. We were effectively run in this country via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made, and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too. Yeah, I would say that J.D. Vance is not a particularly well-liked individual, at least in the minds of the American public, and I think it's clips like that that make him dislike. I want to take a look at VP's nominees, net favorable ratings. These are conducted immediately after the convention. The average since 2000 for a VP nominee is a net favorable rating that's favorable minus unfavorable of plus 19 points. The lowest ever going all the way back since 1980 is J.D. Vance with a minus five point net favorability rating. Laura, he is the first VP nominee coming out of his party or her party's convention to have a net negative favorability rating that is an unfavorable, bigger than their favorable rating ever. The fact is J.D. Vance at this particular point looks like a mistake for Donald Trump. We'll see if things change going down the way, but the fact is that people are voting on their VP's, which they usually don't, but if they did this time around, J.D. Vance might cause Donald Trump instead to be a winner, to be a loser. That's an extraordinary figure right there, and you know who's looking at that? The Trump campaign. Oh, yeah. Harry, thank you so much. Thank you. Well, my panel is back with me now. We were all reacting in real time to those figures, that negative number, negative five. That was shocking. It was shocking. I feel like I hear a clock ticking to figure out how much time he's got left on the ticket actually, before Donald Trump figures out a way to maneuver him off. You know, Blake Masters actually doubled down as well on the same philosophy about his, I think this is a misogynistic viewpoint, frankly. What do you, you can see what he said on the screen there. Why is this the pathway? It doesn't make a winning argument at all. It's not. That was a bad pick. J.D. Vance is MAGA extremist. He's a turnoff to women, and Harry's always fascinated Laura with the poll numbers. I just don't think we're measuring enthusiasm, and I think Kamala's enthusiasm is just beginning. We're not even near the Democratic convention yet. Trump thinks it's kind of a honeymoon phase, or people are saying that it might be a honeymoon period. But if she has this renewed conference that you speak about in your article and describe so well, that could be very sustained. It could be sustained, and I think we're forgetting what it could look like with the Democratic nominee actually barnstorming the campaign trail, not talking about an 8 p.m. bedtime. Kamala Harris has been traveling constantly the past year and a half in particular. That's going to continue, and I think once voters actually start to see the Democratic nominee for president out there holding these rallies, not, you know, sort of taped things from the Oval Office, if ever, that I think is going to contribute to whether or not this can sustain. I'll give you the last word, Karen, really quick. This is going to alienate those voters that you want to develop into your fold, right? Absolutely. I think JV Vance was not an expansion strategy, right? It was a doubling down strategy, and I think it's going back fire. We will see the clock is ticking for not only the race, but a hundred days away at this point in time. Unbelievable. Thank you all. Look, we are less than two weeks away. It could be sooner from a VP decision. The question, of course, and yet another of the mistakes is who will she choose? Take a closer look at the front runners, who has kept pretty quiet, despite all of the noise. You're looking at them right there. Kelly, and breaking news, two alleged leaders of a Mexican drug cartel arrested in Texas tonight, including El Chapo's son. The stunning way the arrest took place next. They say opposites attract. That's why the sleep number smartbed is the best bed for couples. You can each choose what's right for you whenever you like. You like a bed that feels firm, but they want soft. Sleep number does that. You want to sleep cooler while they like to feel warm. Sleep number does that too. You have to feel it to believe it. Find the bed that's for both of you, only at a sleep number store. Nine out of ten couples say that they sleep better on a sleep number smartbed. Only sleep number smartbed lets you choose your ideal comfort and support your sleep number setting. 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One of the organizations at the DA insists it's responsible largely for a majority of the fentanyl that ends up on this side of the border. Now, just some remarkable information that we've been able to learn just in the last few hours since the story initially broke, since the U.S. government actually confirmed the apprehension of not just somebody, but also one of the sons of the now imprisoned Narco King, Joaquin Guzman, of course, that young man identifies Joaquin Guzman Lopez. What we know is that they were traveling aboard a small plane that today landed somewhere near El Paso. Now, some fascinating details here, Laura, that I've been able to learn along with some of my colleagues, including Mark Morales, which is that it's currently believed that it's likely that he had no idea that once the plane landed, it would be met by U.S. authorities. It's still unclear as to whether or not this property that he was supposed to see potentially to purchase, if he was told that it was either in northern Mexico or on the U.S. side of the border, which may be fairly unlikely, especially given the hefty $50 million bounty that was on Myosambada, so it would be extremely unlikely that he would ever voluntarily travel here to the U.S., since he is a fugitive that is highly sought by the FBI, by the DA, but still that very much remains an open question as to the inner workings of this plot, Laura, was it perhaps within his organization, within the St. Aloha Drug Organization that helped lure him to federal authorities, or did members of the federal government perhaps actually have a hand in this as part of this operation, as part of this investigation, I should say. But just the background on him, he, along with Joachim Il-Chapal Guzman, who is currently serving a life sentence in Supermax in Colorado, according to federal indictments stand accused of running and operating since the '80s, the St. Aloha Drug Cartoon Organization. Now, one of the big questions here, Laura, exactly what's going to happen to this organization, just because this man is behind bars, it doesn't necessarily mean that the St. Aloha cartel goes away. You do have still other members of Chapal's family, including other sons as well. So will this actually lead to some inner turmoil, more violence? That is all you have to be seeing. But again, the big headline right now, "Initorious Drug Cartel Boss," is my, and my Osama after years of searching on behalf of authorities, is now in U.S. custody on this boarder. It's extraordinary. Paulo Sandoval, Keep Us Post, and thank you so much. Well, Vice President Kamala Harris is set to pick her running mate within, what, the next two weeks? Governors and senators, they dominate this short list, and some are giving the standard nominee speech. It's an honor just to be considered. Sounds about like the Oscars, doesn't it? Others are showing some hints of interest, though. The only reason I'd ever consider something else is if I felt that I could help my people and Kentucky more in a different role, or that there was a chance to move past the partisanship. Would you love to see yourself on that ticket? If that is her choice? Look, I think anybody would be flattered to be mentioned in that context. I'd be reluctant to make a change, but it'd be hard to resist a call and consideration if the nominee called me to ask to be considered for Vice President. But, you know, one voice is conspicuously quiet. Arizona Democratic Senator Mark Kelly, well, seen as Monuraju, raised to catch up with him on Capitol Hill today, but for Kelly, well, mom's the word. I'm not going to give him the private conversations I have for the Vice President. Saying there was a private conversation with the Vice President? Well, today, his wife and former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords campaigned for Harris in Pennsylvania, and she'll stump for Harris in Michigan this weekend. With me now, Daniel Hernandez, a Democratic President from Arizona, he actually interned for Giffords for years. And we're talking about a hero before me today, because in 2011, he helped save her life when she was shot by applying pressure to her wound and quick thinking. He is throwing his support behind a potential Harris Kelly ticket. Daniel, a pleasure to meet you. Thanks so much for having me. I remember the heroism that everyone described. You displayed on that fateful day, and it's extraordinary to be before you today. So thank you for coming. Thanks for having me. You know, you know, Mark Kelly very well. I was 18. I was an intern for Gabby, 16 years of knowing Mark Kelly. And when you know about him, what about a potential Harris Kelly ticket? There's so many things about Mark that make him significantly better than JD Vance. I think the first thing is he is a good man. Above all, he's served his country. And when Gabby got shot, he dropped everything to make sure that he took care of her. That speaks to the kind of character that Mark has had. And the entire time, he is a dedicated family man. He takes care of his family. But more importantly, he has served our country as a veteran, as a Navy pilot, as an astronaut, even outside of being married to Gabby. He has an impressive resume that anybody would be lucky to have. But I think, electorally, the thing that I think is most exciting is he outperformed every other Senate, House candidate, and gubernatorial candidate in 2022. In a year where Latinos were breaking away from the Democratic Party, he outperformed everybody. So when we're looking at the Sun Belt, when we're looking at Nevada, Arizona, and East state that has a large Latino population, Mark Kelly is not just going to be popular with the suburban white people. He's popular with Latinos like myself and my family. Let's turn from the Sun Belt to the Rust Belt and find ourselves where Senator JD Vance believes he would have an advantage. I want you to listen to Kelly actually going after the vice presidential running mate, JD Vance, listen. What I really worry about is what he would do being one part beat away from the president and two daughters and a granddaughter. I really worry about their rights if Donald Trump is elected again and JD Vance is the vice president. I mean, that really concerns me. I mean, I'd be intrigued by a debate. How do you think he'd fair? Mark Kelly would do a lot better. We had somebody who did PR in the military and somebody who was a Navy fighter pilot and an astronaut who captained multiple missions. Mark is good under pressure, but he's also had life's experience. I'm 34. Mark JD Vance is 39. What is he done other than be a venture capitalist and then write one book? Before that, he was nothing other than those two things and now he's a US Senator. He does not have the work to put in to say that he can be a good vice president where Mark Kelly has a lifetime of experience and liked him of serving our country. It's interesting to have that dynamic at play when he is described and people are talking about cultural DEI candidates who he thinks have less experience than he does, but Republicans have been calling Harris to the point of Arizona in particular the borders are. Arizona might be a very crucial state as increasingly so. Every state becomes a border state and the issue of immigration, top of mind for so many. Kelly is actually called the border a mess. He has challenged him of Biden's own decisions and I'm wondering, could Kelly, could he blunt some of the attacks that Kamala Harris will ultimately face as attached to the Biden ticket previously? As a border senator, Mark Kelly understands this conflict and this issue more than almost anybody else. He lives in every single day. So not only would he be able to help the vice president, he would make sure that he's bringing the voice of Arizona that people who have been most directly impacted by the issues of the border, both on the immigration reform side and on the people that want border security. So he is somebody that's very well positioned to add to the ticket. When you take it fast. I hope so. I haven't talked to him about it directly, but I hope you will because we need Mark Kelly to be our vice presidential nominee. We'll see what happens. Daniel Hernandez. What a pleasure speaking to you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, Hollywood insiders were behind a lot of those calls for President Biden to drop out of the race, including my next guest. Rob Reiner is here after this. Well, it's been described as the moment that altered the 2024 election. The consequence will debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is when the tide really began to turn against the sitting president, and frankly, Hollywood was not the exception. filmmaker Rob Reiner became one of the first to call for a change at the top of the Democratic ticket. In fact, writing on social media, quote, it's time to stop effing around. If the convicted felon wins, we lose our democracy. Joe Biden has effectively surfaced with honor, decency, and dignity. It's time for Joe Biden to step down. Now, a few weeks later came this moment. The nothing can come in the way of saving our democracy. That includes personal ambition. So I decided the best way forward is to pass the torch for a new generation. And now Hollywood A-Listers are rushing to embrace Kamala Harris, including my next guest, filmmaker Rob Reiner. Welcome to Laura Coats Live. Glad to have you here. Thank you. Thanks for having me, Laura. You know, you spoke out pretty early and you continued to make the case it wasn't a one off until the president's really his final decision. And here we are. He has officially stepped aside. Kamala is the top of the ticket. How do you feel about it now? Well, I mean, you can see the party is completely energized. Everybody's coalescing around Kamala as well they should. I mean, she is completely qualified. She's she's the energy that we needed. I mean, we were in a situation. This is not to take anything away from Joe Biden. I mean, I love Joe Biden. He was a very consequential president. He got us out of the ditch that Donald Trump put us in. And he righted the ship. He saved our democracy. And he's doing the most selfless thing he could possibly do to make sure we continue to save the democracy. And don't destroy 250 years itself rule. And he's passed the torch to somebody who understands how this all works and will respect the rule of law and the Constitution. So we're going to win. We're going to win now. It went from a referendum on Joe Biden to now to referendum on Donald Trump. And the Donald Trump we know is a criminal. He's a convicted felon 34 times. And we've got a great prosecutor who's going to prosecute this case against it. You know, there are those who are accusing Democrats now in spite of all that you've described as being those who are enabling a coordination that's led by donors, that's led by DC or Hollywood elites. Do you think that Harris's ascension to that top of the ticket, given all the context at stake here, is as some Republicans ascribe anti-democratic? >> No, of course not. I mean, it's the system we have. I mean, you have the presumptive nominee, which was the president of the United States stepping down. And then it's up, he releases his delegates. It's up to the delegates to decide who they want to vote for. And you've had a very wonderful, seamless transition where you had all the delegates starting to coalesce around Kamala. You had House members, Senate members, donors, everybody coalescing immediately around Kamala. So it's not undemocratic at all. It's part of the delegate rules. You can look it up. >> But you know what has started, even though there is not the confetti falling on one's shoulders, Rob? It's only been a few days, and she has been on the top of this ticket. We have seen attacks that perhaps, sadly, were predictable, and yet they are vile. They're calling her a DEI hire. There are those who are being misogynistic. There are those who are degrading her in any number of ways, trying to suggest that she is not the professional or the vice president that we know that she is. You're known for so much in terms of fictionalizing the world around us. But in this case, it's even ugly if this were fictional. What do you see as the way to address what's going on right now? >> You know something? You don't have to address it. This is desperation on their part. They are facing a formidable opponent, and they don't know what to do. Bill Gold, an old friend of mine who passed away a number of years ago, say they don't know whether to go to the bathroom or wind their watch. They're in big trouble. They know it, and they're desperately starting to attack Kamala in the most ridiculous ways, her lab, the fact that she didn't bear children. It's ridiculous, and it's all going to backfire. It's all going to backfire, because we are coalesce now, and we're going to beat this guy. We have a great candidate in compliance. I know her very well. I've known her for a long time. She was right there on the forefront of marriage equality, which I had something to do with here in California, around country. She married the first same-sex couple after we defeated and knocked down Prop A. So I know her very well. She's a great prosecutor. She's intelligence. She's committed. She's passionate. She's a fun person, and she's human, and she respects the rule of law. So they can do whatever they want. It's not going to help them. Let me ask you, Rob, you know her so well. Who could be her partner, not in crime, but in law, of course, as her vice presidential running mate? Well, she has a lot of good choices. I particularly personally like Mark Kelly a lot, an astronaut, a former military guy, a senator from Arizona, a state that is in play, and I think all of those combinations of things would be a perfect company. Now, obviously, she has to pick somebody who she feels comfortable with. That's the first choice, and somebody that she believes, God forbid something should happen to her, could step in and become president. So all of those things have to be considered, but I think she has a lot of great choices. I got to tell you, it's almost at a whiplash pace at how things are going right now. We'll see what happens all the way. We're about 100 days away now from the presidential election, if you can believe that. Rob Reiner, thank you so much for joining. Thanks for having me. Up next, his conviction was overturned, overturned, and he was about to walk free. Then the Missouri Supreme Court stepped in, and now, Christopher Dunn is still in prison despite being deemed innocent. We'll tell you his story and speak with his wife after this. At KeyBank, we know a small moment like, "Oh, these sandals would go really well with a beach." 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On this program, we highlight stories of the exonerated. But tonight, the Missouri Supreme Court has stepped in to keep an exonerated man in prison, just as he was about to walk free. Christopher Dunn was convicted of first-degree murder for the shooting of 15-year-old Rico Rogers in 1990. The 1991 conviction was largely based on testimony of two boys who identified Dunn as the shooter, but in 2018, they recanted, saying their testimony had been coerced. After reviewing Dunn's case, the St. Louis secret attorney filed a motion earlier this year to vacate the guilty verdict. And on Monday, a judge concluded that, quote, "In light of new evidence, no juror acting reasonably would have voted to find Dunn guilty of these crimes beyond a reasonable doubt." He overturned Dunn's conviction and ordered his immediate release. But Missouri attorney general Andrew Bailey is fighting that order. He issued an appeal and told the Department of Corrections to keep Dunn in jail until the appeal ends. Now, the judge has pushed back. And last night, just as the prison was processing the release paperwork for Dunn, the state Supreme Court issued a stay that put his freedom on hold. His wife, Kira Dunn, was actually on her way to pick him up when she learned that her husband would not be coming home. She joins me now along with Dunn's attorney from the Midwest Innocence Project, Tricia Rojo-Wishnell. Thank you both for joining me. This is unbelievable and unimaginable. Think about what is happening at this juncture. Kira, let me begin with you. And just you were on your way to pick up your husband when you got the news. Tell me, what were you feeling in that moment when you heard that he wasn't, in fact, going to be released? I was five minutes away, yes, when I got the call. And I immediately knew from the tone that it was not good. I just drove the rest of the way numb after I heard the news and arrived to a very subdued group of people who had already gathered there. It was supposed to be a time of celebration of welcoming my husband home after 34 years of wrongful conviction and incarceration. And it just turned into, has to be one of the saddest days of my life. You've actually spoken to Christopher since this happened. How is he holding up through all of this? Chris is the most resilient person I've ever met. Even so, this was a really tough one. This hit him very hard. He was literally 50 feet away from the parking lot and was dressed in a civilian clothing that we'd prepared and picked out months before. He was doing a final signature and had, in the meantime, gotten rid of all his property, either given it away or he'd actually thrown away his toothbrush just a few moments before knowing he wouldn't need that toothbrush anymore. And he had to walk right back in, take off his civilian clothing, put on another prison uniform and go back to his cell. 50 feet from freedom. 50 feet from freedom, Tricia. I cannot imagine, I've spoken to far too many of people who have been exonerated. And they will always tell me that they didn't believe it was real until they were home. And even then, they wondered if it would stick. And to know that someone would have had what I presume is that level of anxiety and concern and it not to be the case that they were free. I mean, the Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey, he appealed the ruling that was freed done. Is there any legal basis to his appeal? So our position is no. We don't believe that he, the Attorney General, has any role in order the ability to appeal a court's decision on a prosecutor's motion to overturn a conviction. So this ability for a prosecutor to file a motion saying, I think that my office made a mistake that this person is actually innocent is fairly new in Missouri. It's a law that was passed in 2021. It's been used to free two other individuals since then, Kevin Strickland and Lamar Johnson. And this is now the third time that that's happened. Once the first time the Attorney General has contended they have the right to appeal, the circuit court disagreed. So what actually happened on Monday, when that order came down from the judge, overturning his conviction and requesting his immediate release, that order should have been followed. But the Attorney General directed the prison not to follow it. And we had emergency proceedings yesterday, where that judge then said, you have to follow this order. If the warden doesn't follow this order, he will be held in contempt. And he was directed to release him by six o'clock when that special appeal was made to the Missouri Supreme Court. The Missouri Supreme Court stay is now looking at the question of does the Attorney General actually have the right to appeal? We will have additional briefing going into tomorrow and Monday. But I think the question that we all have is, why would you appeal this finding? This is actually not even the first court to find that no juror would convict Chris. It's actually the second. But the first court didn't have any ability to release him because in Missouri, it's the only state in the country where innocence isn't a reason to get out of prison, unless someone was sentenced to death. And Chris was not sentenced to death. That's an unbelievable notion to me that even the innocent, knowing innocent would remain in prison, except if they were sentenced to death, what do you think is the motivation behind why Bailey, who frankly, I think has a history of trying to appeal overturned convictions, why is he pushing to keep done behind bars? I mean, that is the question I think all of us have. What purpose does this serve? Certainly not serving Missouri taxpayers. What does it get us? It keeps the expense of an innocent person being in prison. And the time, money, and resources to litigate these cases is extensive. And this is what we're spending our state resources on. Kira, you actually met him while he was incarcerated. And he's never been free since you have known him. What would it mean to have him home, to have your husband beside you, especially knowing that he didn't even commit the crime that he was convicted for? It would mean everything to me and to our family. Chris has had so much taken from him. And he wants the simple things just to be able to open and close a door as he wishes, to be able to choose the temperature of his shower water, to be able to use a cell phone for the first time, things that we all take for granted. It would mean that someone who's been through so, so much, really more than anyone could ever restore to him, right? 34 years. There's really no way to make that up. But I and Chris's family intend to try our very best to somehow make up for the loss that he suffered. As you said, when you didn't even commit a crime in the first place. 34 years and 50 feet from freedom. Thank you both. We will continue to follow this story. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you so much. Please let Chris know that we are thinking about his journey. We'll be right back. Well, in the summer of 1996, all eyes were on the Centennial Olympics in Atlanta, Georgia. And about a week after opening ceremonies on July 27, there was an explosion in Centennial Olympic Park. It claimed the lives of two people and injured more than 100. Over the next 18 months, several more bombings occurred. Leading investigators to suspect there was serial bombers at work. The CNN special, how it really happened, the Atlanta Olympic bombing, takes a deeper look at these events. Here's a preview. Approximately 125 a.m. this morning, an explosive device detonated in the Centennial Park downtown. At this point, we understand that we have 110 injured and two people who have died. At approximately 1 a.m. also, the Atlanta Police Department received a 911 call. The individual is, we believe, a white male with an indistinguishable accent. The bomb had gone off within 15 or 20 minutes of the call, particularly when it went off early. Toon in, the two-hour special, how it really happened, the Atlanta Olympic bombing, airs Saturday at 9 p.m. Eastern. Thank you all for watching. I'm Oprah Winfrey, and I am delighted to introduce you to my podcast, Super Soul Conversations. You can listen to some of the most universal, powerful life lessons. I hope these conversations will help illuminate your path to all that you've been meaning to be and all that you were meant to be. You want to feel better about your life? Wear your headed? Subscribe to my Super Soul Conversations on Apple Podcasts and begin the journey to your best self.
