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Bowman, a two term progressive, has been one of the loudest critics of Israel's war. Now Latimer, on the other hand, he's expressed support for Israel. Though to be clear, this election had a lot of other dynamics at play. It was not a one issue race with Latimer accusing Bowman of caring more about his national profile than his local constituents. Here's Latimer on that point, just last hour on CNN. - When you lose touch with your district, when you're not on the ground enough, and when you're more concerned about your national profile, that you're on the major media outlets, but you're not in the neighborhoods that you need to be in, all the neighborhoods you need to be in, then you lose the focus and you lose support in your district. - Well, nationally, this is an undeniable blow to the party's progressive win. And Bowman is now the first member of the Congresswoman AOC's lead squad to lose a primary challenge this cycle. Now, there's a lot of coverage on all this ahead and a lot more races to go. And in a minute, we'll hear from former New York Congressman Joe Crowley. But our Miguel Marquez, he is at Bowman headquarters with his reaction. But let's first for a moment get to CNN's Harry Enton at the magic wall. I've got quite the spread here of people to give their expertise and talk about the issues. Harry Enton, good to see you. Talk to me about this race. How did Latimer pull this off? This was a two-terment incumbent. - You know, you mentioned spreads. I should note I was up in the 16th district last week. I was getting carvel. You got food on my mind. Anyway, anyway. - Yeah, I can talk food all day, my friend. - You know, we still have to hit up a diner anyway. All right, let's talk about New York's 16th district. We got the yellow check mark by George Latimer, a clear victory here. We're talking double digits. You rarely ever see an incumbent lose by double digits. And you'd speak about how did he do it? Well, let's go in on the county level. All right. Jamal Bowman held that rally this past weekend in the South Bronx, which I should note is not actually part of the 16th district. But you know, he basically said, we're gonna show what the Bronx has made up. Well, the Bronx actually went for Jamal Bowman. Look at this, an 84% to 16% margin. Here's the problem, something I saw throughout this entire campaign. It seemed to me that Jamal Bowman didn't know who his constituents were and George Latimer did. Because the fact is, you see this margin in the Bronx, but let's go up to Westchester County. What do we see? Westchester County, which makes up the vast majority of this district, George Latimer, 62% of the vote. Jamal Bowman, just 38% of the vote. You know, one of the thing progressives like to argue, they like to argue, okay, you know, when our voters turn out, we win. But look here, in 2022, there was just a little bit less than 40,000 votes. Already with still a lot of votes to be counted. Look here, already about 61,000 votes already cast in this race. So the fact is, Laura, more people turned out this year than turned out two years ago. And it seemed to me that those voters, especially in Westchester County, overwhelmingly went for George Latimer. - Now don't think for a second that John King did notice that drag from the bottom you did on that magic wall. I'm just saying, I saw it, kudos to you. But the outside spending is what people have been talking about in this particular race. I mean, it was through the roof. The most expensive primary in American history, we're talking about the 16th district in New York. And my husband's from the Bronx, so shout out to the Bronx. But the idea here, you had all this outside spending is very telling. - It is, but you know, a thing I should point out about this. You know, I wanna go back two years ago. And I wanna know that Jamal Bowman was in trouble in this district long before any of that spending started. You know, you go back to 2022, Jamal Bowman for an incumbent got just 54% of the vote. Yes, the spending help. But here's the deal, George Latimer has been a politician in Westchester County before I was born. Also notable that George Latimer was somebody who was well like completely across the board, got endorsements from all over Westchester County. And more than that, he led in this race basically from the start when he got in. He was leading an internal polling in January before any of this money got really spent on the year. Yes, did the money help? Yes, did Israel play a part in this campaign? Yes, but as you hinted at in your opening, this election was more than just about Israel. It was about local politicians. George Latimer was known throughout Westchester and it paid off tonight. Mm, that's really a telling figure. You just gave us there. Harry Enton, thank you so much. I wanna bring in CNNs. Miguel Marquez live outside campaign headquarters for Congressman Bowman in Yonkers, New York is outside of New York City. Miguel Bowman, he just spoke. What was his message to his supporters? Not surprisingly, he was a defiant saying that he would continue to fight for all the issues that they were fighting for, whether it's Medicaid for all, or Medicare for all, or for free Palestine. When he said that he would continue to fight for free Palestine, that got the biggest cheer in the house. But look, he was upset about the money. His campaign, the progressive left that worked with his campaign was extremely upset. $25 million spent in this campaign. About 15 million of it came from the super pack that was associated with the American Israel Political Action Committee. He was very upset about it. When he conceded today, he said he didn't have one opponent, but opponents. - And the other opponent. - Now, our opponents, now the opponent, may have won this round at this time, in this place. But this will be a battle for our humanity, justice for the rest of our body. (crowd cheering) - And what his campaign is saying, and what the progressive left that worked with his campaign is saying is that Cory Bush, in St. Louis, will be the next target for APAC. But look, as Harry was saying, this district is much more moderate. George Latimer is extremely well known in this district. And it was gonna be very difficult race for Bowman, no matter what. The money, the airwaves here were awash in ads for, you know, APAC was funding the ads, but they weren't pro-Israel ads. They never mentioned Gaza. They only talked about how close each candidate was to Bush. That may have been the most interesting thing of this campaign, both Latimer and Jamal Bowman. Both said they were the best ones to serve Joe Biden. And we don't hear that in a lot of campaigns anyway, back to you. - We met with all markets, thank you so much. Joining me now, former New York Democratic Congressman, Joe Crowley served in Congress until 2019 when he was unceded by Congressman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in a Democratic primary congressman. Thank you so much for joining. I mean, these numbers are significant and it's significant to have Bowman be unseated in this fashion. It's an upset victory in many ways, but here was Latimer on CNN, just the last hour with my friend Abby Phillip. Talking about why he thought he wouldn't listen. - I didn't win it on the national debate. I won it because I went door to door where I could, all throughout this district. And I talked to people about the issues they wanted to talk about, which included what's happening in the Middle East, but really prioritized domestic issues, things of affordability, housing, restoration of assault tax deductions. So I think that the constituents that I talked to are the ones that I am most interested in their point of view. And that's the one that I'm going to try to focus on. - He went on to talk about how this had been mischaracterized as progressive against somebody who was not, but he himself said he is progressive. Do you think that Bowman lost touch with his constituents or is this a factor of domestic versus foreign policy taking precedent? - I'm not convinced that this is a great seat for Bowman to begin with. I think that was represented in the numbers that I think was Harry had said about the last election. He did oust Elliot Engel at 25 plus year incumbent. I think that has a lot to do with the more you know, someone, the more you know them. And I think that in this particular race, both candidates are very progressive. So I really don't think it was on those issues. I think it had to do more with the forements of Bowman, and maybe the more bombastic performances of Bowman throughout the last couple of years in particular. - And there was a mention of another member of Congress, Congresswoman Corey Bush also having a race where there is funding by APAC for her opponent. It's somebody Wesley Bell, a prosecutor who was, I believe the one to decide not to prosecute an officer in the shooting death of Mike Brown in Ferguson. Is this some message you think on a national scale for members of the progressive left? - I think that when you see an election where they have been effective in terms of winning an election, it actually encourages them to be doing more. I don't think it's about again the issues. I think it's going to be about the money. And I do think that the pro-Israel groups do not look at Bush as an ally, and therefore may take the very same tactics that he had, but every district is different. You know, what's happening in Westhurst or in Northern Bronx is completely different than what's happening in the middle of the country. - When you look at the identity of a party, we often see that being raised. I mean, Jamal Bowman, the black man, an educator, I think he's in his 40s, Latimer, not any of the things I've just described. There is a visual distinction that people often look at. Does this signal anything to you about the future of the way the Democratic Party is shaping up to voters? - Well, I do think that in many respects, this might be very beneficial to the president. In that, you know, there seems to be a swinging with a pendulum. It went very far left in 2018, 2020 to some degree in 2022, but it's starting to come back a bit. And I think it's going to be beneficial for the president to be able to be able to speak to the middle of the country, and not necessarily, look, at the end of the day, we all come together as Democrats. We will understand that President Biden, re-electing President Trump, is not good for anyone, not good for America and not good for the world, and we need to come back. But I think we'll give the president an opportunity, maybe move towards the middle again, an appeal to Republicans as well. - I think it's interesting to think about that, and how this might bode for President Biden, who's undoubtedly watching this race, and thinking about the composition of Congress. But money in politics is something you can't deny when you look at a race like this. We have the most expensive race in the history of this country, 25 million bucks in ad spending alone. What does this say about the influence of outside money? - Well, it says a lot. There's no question about it. I mean, Citizens United has been a disaster for politics in America. Everything though that was done in this race, to my understanding, was law abiding. They've followed the rules, they've followed the law. And both sides have access to money in terms of this particular race. If you look at Bowman's numbers, most of his money came from outside the district. I know there's been a lot of criticism of Latimer for the same, but Latimer had most of his money come from with inside the district. So I do think that's important. Look, being able to raise one in $3 from millions of people is a benefit that not many members of Congress have. In fact, very few have that. So they have to rely on the system, and that is through PACs, and through individual contributions. And then in some cases, even by outside money, I don't like it. I think it's abused by all sides, left, right, middle. And I'd like to see that change, but that's gonna take, you know, change the Supreme Court, or at least change the Constitution to make it clear that that type of money is not acceptable in American politics. - Well, this was a nasty primary. I wonder how this will vote as a preview to a bigger race, the presidential race going in November. Congressman, thank you so much for joining. - Thank you, Laura. There's new reporting tonight on President Biden's debate strategy, and an attack line that we should likely expect to see. The question is, is it gonna land? Colorado Governor Jared Polis is here to help us answer that very question. His insights on the high stakes debate next. - Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co-founder of Angie. And one thing I've learned is that you buy a house, but you make it a home. Because with every fix, update, and renovation, it becomes a little more your own. So you need all your jobs done well. 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Now on the other side, President Biden is still at Camp David for what is now his fourth day of debate prep. And according to his recent direct knowledge, Biden and his team are staging different practice runs of varying length to prepare for what will be the 90 minute debate. And the goal is to refine both the substance and of course the stamina that's required to endure that event. Source adding these rehearsals are just part of a quote long working days. I was my Biden senior staff staying in cabins overnight at Camp David, it's a full fledged affair. Joining me now, the Democratic governor of Colorado, Jared Polis, governor, thank you so much for joining me today. I mean, we're hearing a lot about the prep. You are no stranger to what it takes to prepare for debates. I wonder in the world we're seeing where Trump seems to be downplaying his debate prep, if there is any, and Biden going all in, what do you think is the most effective way to prepare? - I can tell you what, you know, debate prep looks like. And I've been through it, I've been at this rodeo, I've run for statewide office twice in one. So you have somebody playing the other person. So, you know, there's probably either a person or people that are playing Donald Trump, he's kind of an easy character to get down. And what you wanna do is you wanna practice the likely questions a number of times. And then you wanna make sure you have several zingers that are ready to go and several comebacks that are ready to go. And those are the lines that people remember, right? People often don't remember what policies you talked about. You look at what comes out of some of the big debates. Did you land, the hits you're supposed to land? And did you respond correctly and hit back when they hit you? And you wanna get that right, you wanna get that quick, you wanna make it look easy. And of course, it's as much about how you look as what you say. And so I'm sure the president is practicing his poise, his confidence, and coming across the right way. - And coming authentic, having the rehearsed zingers and whatnot, you gotta deliver them in a way that seems natural and not someone going, oh, you practice that for quite some time, but it's the strategy, I'm interested in as well, because we do have reporting tonight that when it comes to foreign policy, specifically governor, Biden is going to attempt to paint Trump as somebody who is a loser, who is too dangerous and reckless to be the president. Again, is that an effective approach when dealing with someone like Trump? - Well, it's certainly a big risk for Donald Trump is coming in and saying something that's completely incorrect in the foreign policy. This is an area that Joe Biden knows well, foreign relations committee, vice president, president. He knows this stuff inside and out. I think it's a strong point, he can play to that. Fundamentally, this is not a foreign policy election, but do people care about the world? Do they care about Ukraine, Israel? Absolutely. I think first and foremost, they care about costs and inflation and the economy, and I'm sure a lot of that will come out as well. - You know, I said that Trump seems to be downplaying in his recent interviews about prep. It's more of an attitude than anything else, but there is reporting that he has have a number of his close allies that are helping him to prepare. And we've seen what's going on at Camp David, at least to the reporting. I mean, Trump is prepping with the likes of some, by the way, on this list are people who might be on the short list for being the vice presidential pick. What do you think is the tactic that Trump is trying to display by suggesting it's no big deal, maybe? - Well, some of it is the expectations game, right? I think they want to be able to say if he commits a couple of gaffs, oh, it's because he didn't practice. So, you know, there's always that expectation game happening, and I think expectations are high for Donald Trump going into this, and the president needs to really exceed expectations here, which he can. And I think he has a lot to talk about, and I hope he focuses on the future, right? Not just his accomplishments, we've come a long way, the economy's roaring back, but also the plans for the next four years, and the fundamental differences between the vision for America, United, under Joe Biden moving forward, or back to the chaos of the past under Donald Trump. - Interestingly, Hillary Clinton had not had the New York Times today where she talked about the exercise and futility of trying to refute or fact check in real time, someone like Donald Trump. And one of the things she mentions which talks what you just said is the idea that let him try to articulate inartfully or ineffectively or incoherently the policy stances he in fact has. Do you agree with the idea that it's an exercise and futility, to try to refute him in time, and instead maybe give the rope of, yeah, explain what your positions really are. - Well, if it hadn't been used already, the Great Ronald Reagan debate line, there you go again, would be a great one here, but something along those lines, you cannot get into this tit-for-tat on every issue. There's no question that Donald Trump will say things that are false, demonstrably not true. You're not the person there to correct him on everything. I think some kind of line that helps you pivot off of that, is hopefully what President Biden is practicing, and will be able to deliver on without getting into the, he said he said on every single issue in fact. - I mean, there is the personality aspects here, and the antics that undoubtedly will come, but then there are voters who want to hear their responses, and we know that immigration's gonna come up, we know the economy is gonna be an issue, we know reproductive rights, and then with the economy, that's a pretty broad umbrella term, but the personal economies for people are gonna be so important to have questions answered. You have been really championing the issue of affordable housing, which comes under that same purview. What are you looking to hear from both about this issue? - Yeah, I think when people say the economy, it's too far moved. This is really personal for people. It's about cost going up. It's about groceries costing more. It's about housing costing more. And so talking about real solutions in Colorado, we removed barriers to housing, made it easier to build accessory dwelling units, reduce paperwork, reduce bureaucracy, reduce the legal costs associated with it, to create more housing. I think if President Biden could lean into this abundance agenda, how do we create more housing for people of all income levels, right? In Colorado, we got free preschool and kindergarten done. Let's do that nationally. Only nine states have preschool. Guess what? If you have young kids, preschool is expensive. That's a way to save people money and contrast your position with Donald Trump in a family-friendly way that also speaks to people's pocketbooks. - Oh, I remember quite well when my kids were in daycare. It was a huge expense. And of course, as a parent, what are you gonna do? And you're working, what are you supposed to do about this? Interestingly enough, when you talk about these issues, I do wonder how much substance will translate to voters because both are effective communicators, both are showmen their own rights. Will this translate to the average voter who wants these answers in this format this early? - Well, the substance is of course very important and there's gonna be some people to watch the debate for those reasons, but it's also very important, those memorable moments that you can do. Those contrasts on a give and take, on one of them looking foolish and one of them looking good, one of them saying something that is obviously contrary to facts and being called out in a clever way. So it's the art of the debate, right? It's that clever rapport back and forth and obviously people are gonna look like in a boxing match. Yes, who's the better boxer, but also who lands that key punch at the right time? - This is a rematch. Are you concerned in any way that Biden is not going to perform in the same way he has several years ago? - Well, I think before every debate, you know, when you're rooting for a candidate, you're holding your breath state. I hope they do well and I'm sure that Donald Trump supporters are holding their breath even harder than Joe Biden's supporters because it's hard to predict what that guy's gonna do, even with his own supporters. Absolutely, it's a nail-biter. We're all gonna be pulling for Joe Biden in my corner and wishing him the best about articulating a very positive, optimistic view. But what he wants to get done in the next four years as president of the United States. - Well, we'll see what happens. It's two days away, Governor. Thank you so much for joining me. - Always a pleasure. - Jake Tapper and Dana Bash moderate Thursdays debate live from Atlanta beginning at 9 p.m. Eastern and also streaming on Max. You know, Donald Trump could be soon getting even more vocal ahead of the debate. Why? Well, the judge in his hush money trial has lifted several parts of his gag order who he's now able to go after next. Well, tonight, the New York judge overseeing Donald Trump's hush money case, partially lifting the gag order ahead of the first presidential debate, allowing the former president to rail against jurors and witnesses like, well, you probably guessed it, Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels, but prosecutors, court staffers and their family members, they all remain off limits. So how is Trump taking the decision? - I think partial is very unfair because there are things we have to say, especially in my case, I'm going into a debate and I'm gonna have to talk about a gag order and what does partial mean? It's not fair. The gag order has to be lifted in its entirety. - I wanna bring in a retired California Superior Court judge, Ladora's Cordell, she's the author of her honor, my life on the bench. So good to see you again, judge Cordell. You know, the last time you and I spoke, you said the judge, Mershan, should not lift the gag order. He says the circumstances have now changed though. Why do you think he moved forward with this modified version that clears his ability to again, attack witnesses, potentially jurors? - Yeah, well, thank you for having me on again. That's all remember that the only reason that Trump wants the gag order lifted is to attack and intimidate individuals covered by the order. And by doing so, he wants to incite his MAGA followers to attack them. That's the reason, right? So witnesses in this trial who were testified in the trial, they're now on their own. I send them my thoughts and prayers because they're gonna need it. Jurors are fair game as a group, but individual jurors can't be targeted because their personal information remains confidential. I would have kept the jurors as a group under the protection of the gag order because if there is a leak and things leak, they would be targets for what? Doing their civic duty by participating in the court proceeding. So no, I would not have made a partial gag order lifted part of it. I would have kept it all in place. - Now, since it's been lifted though in that partial manner, if individual jurors were to become victims of a leak or otherwise, is it too late for the judge to reverse course in some way and reinstate a head of sentencing? - Well, I'll tell you, first of all, if I were jurors in that case, I'd be horrified wondering, is my information going to get out? And that they shouldn't have to worry about something like that. So if there is a leak, the first thing I think the judge should do is get the lawyers back in, it Trump in and find out where this leak came from because the personal information was given to each side's lawyers that's on the prosecution side, Trump side, and there may be selected staff, the court staff that had the information. So the information came out somewhere. That's the first thing, and then is it too late? It may be, I think if I were the judge, I'd reinstate it completely, but I'd find out who did this, and then of course there would be immediate repercussions of some sort of sanctions, a fine or maybe some jail time. - Thankfully, we are presently unaware of any leak that has in some ways rendered these jurors as a group or individually more vulnerable, but as far as people like Michael Cohen or Charmy Daniels, they have often already been the target of ire from the supporters of Trump and Trump himself. In fact, here is the former Trump fixer as he's no Michael Cohen on witnesses like himself now being fair game for Trump to go after. Listen. - Yes, I feel bad for them, I feel bad for myself, but it's, what can he say that he has not said already a thousand times? - By the way, Stormy Daniels, your Honor, also very deferential to Judge Mershan's decision, and I wonder why do you think that is? I mean, is it because, I mean, neither of those two are known as shrinking wall fowers or violence? Is it because both can hold their own, and should they be under the same protection as say the average juror? - Yeah, well, first understand, they're not worried about what Donald Trump says about them. They're worried about how other people will react to what Donald Trump says about them. So they're not worried about him saying these things. We've also, we've already heard him say these things. So they know what's coming. They have lived in that world for a long time, ever since this case, even before it even started. So they're prepared, it's best they can be. And so I think that's why they're taking it in stride. - Perhaps you're right about that issue. I do want to turn quickly, if we can, to this classified documents case, a very important endeavor. It's a federal case, federal matter. Here's what we've learned, by the way, from the third day of hearings led by Judge Aileen Cannon, she's not buying Trump's arguments that the Mar-a-Lago search was somehow improper. She even questioned the Trump's team's, there were requests to exclude evidence from the case. There are a number of outstanding motions, as you well know, but what does this tell you about how this case is appearing today? - Just very quickly, Laura, you know that the job of a lawyer is to make arguments, to persuade a judge, and the job of the judge is to make a decision, make a ruling. And I don't think Judge Cannon got the memo. The delays continue, she heard arguments yesterday, heard them today, different subjects, and she has yet to rule on any of them. She's kind of given an indication, but that's not a ruling. And I think there are at least half a dozen pending issues on which she has yet to rule. So, the norm is that you hear motions do dismiss first, because if she grants a motion to dismiss, that's the end of the case, there's no trial. And if she denies the dismissal motions, then the trial moves forward, and you have other issues to take up. But she's not operating in this fashion. She's like random all over the place. It's like judicial chaos. So, I don't know what's gonna come next, or when she will do anything at all, because she's all over. And I don't know who's giving her advice, or if she's getting advice at all. But right now, it just doesn't look good. And I don't get a sense about where this case is even headed, albeit with no trial date even set yet. - Well, it's certainly benefiting the defense for the reasons you've articulated. No trial date, nothing on the calendar that has decisions all over it. And we're still waiting for the Supreme Court of the United States to decide the issue of immunity, which I think she is hoping might impact her case as well. We can go on about why that's an odd thing as well. Judge Lidores Cordell, thank you so much. - Thank you. - Up next, more on our breaking news, a huge defeat for one of the most progressive Democrats in all of Congress. So what does that mean for the Democratic Party more broadly? We're gonna talk about it. - From politics to pop culture and everything in between, CNN's Five Things brings you the five essential stories to get you up to speed and on with your day five times a day. - Hey there, from CNN, I'm Krista Bowe with The Five Things You Need to Know for Wednesday. - CNN Five Things, listen now, ad-free with Amazon music. - Well, we are following the breaking news. New York Congressman Jamal Bowman suffering a stinging primary defeat to George Latimer and the most expensive house primary ever. It was a double digit loss and a blow to progressives, although both candidates say that they are in fact progressives. Joining me now, campaign reporter for The Washington Post, Colby Iquitz, former senior advisor to the Bernie Sanders 2016 and 2020 presidential campaigns, Chuck Rocha, and former deputy communications director for the Trump 2016 campaign, Brian Lanza. So good to have all of you here. First, let me begin with you, Chuck on this, 'cause this is a really important loss. I do wonder from your perspective, is it a kind of turning point for progressives or is this localized? - I think it's localized because every district is a little bit different. If you look at all the squad members, most of them are in urban areas where they're voting their constituency, that's how they get reelected. This district is outside of New York City and as we'll report on a lot of it, the majority of it is in West Chester County and after the first time Congressman Bowman ran, they took 40,000 people in the Bronx. There were mainly black working class folks, Little Jamaican was there. They moved them out and it was no longer there in 2022 when he did have a primary, there was nobody running from West Chester. This is not a city district anymore, so I don't think he can weigh up against each other. - Why are you smiling about this? - For me, I look at it as trying to avoid the obvious. There's a disturbance in the Democratic Party with respect to Israel and you're seeing it sort of highlighted in this race, you're seeing it highlighted again, you're seeing it at the highlighted Democratic convention, you're seeing it highlighted in these campuses. There's a major disruption in the Democratic Party with respect to the Israel policy. And it's one race here, we'll see it in other races and it's just an unavoidable train wreck that the Dems are headed down and this is just one stop along the train wreck. - I wanna make something clear that there was a lot of APEC money that I'm sure we're gonna talk about, the most expensive primary election, the history of elections, and as a campaign 'cause it makes me cry a little bit on the inside 'cause I would like to get a little bit of that money. - Is your cut? - Right, exactly. But even though APEC spent a lot of money, ironically, when I look back at all the commercials, none of them were about Israel and Palestine. The $20 million that was spent on TV were talking about other issues, but not Israel and Palestine. - It was a nasty primary though, and the ads that were being run, and they may not have talked about it specifically, but there was the elephant in the room. - Yes, and they were all, most of them, most of the attack ads against Jamal Bowman were funded by APEC Super PAC, but to your point, they weren't talking about Israel, they were talking about Jamal Bowman's legislative record, the fact that he voted against Joe Biden's infrastructure bill, the fact that he didn't stand with Biden on certain legislative accomplishments, and really trying to paint Bowman as an outsider, as someone who wasn't looking out for the best interests of the district. And that's something that George Latimer was really selling from the moment that he got into this race, was the idea that he's someone they knew, he'd been a local elected official for decades in Westchester County, quite beloved actually, among a wide swath of the communities in Westchester. And so what he said from the minute he got in is I know you and Jamal Bowman doesn't. - Listen to some of the ads that were run, just to talk about very specifically, they may have mentioned that we're talking about, but listen just to kind of the tenor of it. - I'm George Latimer. - And whether you live in Portchester, Greenburn, or Co-op City, we're fed up with the chaos that's hanging over our hands. - Trump extremists in Washington, in a congressman spreading lies and conspiracy theories. - George Latimer has sold out a Republican-funded APAC, supporting Netanyahu's unpopular war over Biden's calls for peace, but Jamal Bowman always stands up for what's right. - I spent my life fighting for children and families. This is the many versus the money. - The many versus the money. First of all, that's something that can probably be used more expensive, even outside of New York, but there is a congressman and Cory Bush that people are talking about right now as vulnerable in her own primary. How worried should she be? - I think anytime you see this much money spent in any kind of a primary, Democrat or Republican, it makes a big deal because there's only a small group of people that participate. You just had the congressman on from New York here earlier to not that AOC had beat back in the day. We were talking about in the green room, there was only about 10,000 people that even voted in that primary. So when you have a small group of people and a lot of money, it has a big impact. And also tonight when we're thinking about patterns, let's remember that AOC could be the queen of the AOC. Most of the folks would say of the squad, she had a contested primary tonight with outside money that came in not near at this level, but if there was a problem, she wouldn't have won tonight with almost 90% of the vote in her Democratic primary. - Is it, excuse me. - Yeah, I was gonna say that APAC kind of looked at the field of squad members. They would like to oust every single one of them as they see as antagonistic against Israel, but they picked two, and they picked Jamal Bowman and Corey Bush as the two that they thought were most likely to be beat by their primary challengers. And so we saw how much money APAC put into this race, and you can expect a similar amount of money now put into this August primary that Corey Bush has. - Why were those two chosen? Is it the language that they were speaking about, or are there other issues in terms of the strength of their opponent? - They had district issues. - Listen, both of these members have district issues. But APAC jumping in and highlighting those district issues became the combustible part for Jamal and for Corey Bush. And she's got district issues too, and there's gonna be money coming in. These are gonna be the first steps in a long process of APAC playing in these races, and you're gonna see more and more of members who have district issues work on them, and try to, not to appease, but have broad appeal to their constituency, which right now some don't. - It's also a candidate quality issue. APAC kind of looked across the field and thought who could actually beat these members of the squad, and in George Latimer, who's someone that they really lobbied and urged to run, especially after the October 7th attacks, they saw in Latimer someone that could beat Jamal Bowman, and was worth spending the $14.5 million that they spent. - Well, we'll quickly, we heard from former Congressman Crowley earlier, and he said that this win of Latimer is probably going to likely a nerd of the benefit, or please, President Joe Biden, because it shows moderates might be successful. How do you see it? - I don't think Latimer is a moderate. I think that the district is just different. They went in and recruited this guy, who's already elected county-wide in the biggest county that makes up 80% of the district. It's just math. - Ooh, well, the math needs to be mathin' everyone. Thank you so much for joining tonight. A murder case that has gripped Massachusetts is now in the hands of a jury. 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