Prepare yourself for: Gunk junk, the fantasy vibe, Gigantor, horrible clowns, and Mulligan Smith.
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FC53 - Heroin Transformer Blues
[music] Hello and welcome to Flashcast53, a Skinner Co. presentation. Brought to you by Scott Roche, I am Ryan Hill on Twitter, and you do click. Prepare yourself for Gunk Junk, The Fantasy Vibe, Jog Antor, Horrible Clowns, and Mulligan Smith. Skinner Co, how the sausage gets made. [music] Hi, I'm a Popen Axe, and within Mealy Combat Rules range, I have Jessica May. Hello! And J.R.D. Hello. And a special guest, Jog Antor! [applause] Welcome sir, welcome. We've given him about 10 million instructions, so hopefully he won't feel too awkward. We're also fighting the baby sleep, so let's go. Speaking of awkward, you have a little tale to tell us Jessica May. Yes. Maybe not awkward, but well, painful and awkward, because for the rest of this life, this guy has to explain to every intimate relation that his business might be a little more melty than others. Melty? I don't know why this story is coming out now, because the two accomplices have already been sentenced, but these two gentle men were wanting to smoke some heroin. You smoke heroin? You can do a lot of things with heroin, but I believe smoking is one of the-- It's good. It brings up-- You start with easier methods of taking it, like smoking, and then eventually you get to the point where you're looking for a greater high, so you're injecting it, that's sort of the end goal of the end goal of heroin. The end goal of heroin, the heroin corporate empire. The end goal of heroin being death. Yeah, I suppose. Anyways, so these guys are at this sort of like a transformer station, it's got a lot of electricity. Anyways, they break in, because they want to do some heroin, however they like doing the heroin. And also, they wanted to steal precious metals from this-- I find this precious metal scavenging phenomenon really fascinating that we're getting to a point where-- Yeah, well, it's like-- Would there be like a lot of copper? Yes. Exactly. And only grandfathers sell metal and stuff like that, like give them anything that had metal and he'd find something that'd just take it down and strip it out. The crackheads and stuff will go into these condemned buildings and stuff and just strip them free of all their pipes and just sell it. So they were there-- Yeah, they're not much money. Presumably doing the same thing. Well, I think part of the allure is actually that it's essentially an untrackable crime. You can't, unless somebody goes around, well, actually, you'd think somebody would be able to go to a local copper buyer or whatever the situation is and be like, hey, did you get half of a faucet set yesterday? But-- From the crackhead. But at the same time, there's no serial numbers. There's no-- Yeah. And it's a pretty petty crime. And it's a lot of-- It's a lot of-- Maybe people aren't chasing it down. Yeah, a lot of life work. But I always-- Do you hear these tales out of a lot of the eastern block like European sort of countries where it'll be-- they've stripped down a statue or like a bridge that no one barely-- like people barely ever used. So they didn't notice to like a month later that it was just entirely gone. Yeah, it's parled gone. And that's the weird stuff or like a precious art and stuff that just gets stripped down to be sold. That's that. Creepy. These two Attic gentlemen were there doing their various deeds. And one decided to urinate. But the transformer was on. So he got some very bad burns, particularly in his nether regions. Melty. Now it makes sense. So-- I call that the gunk junk. Oh, that's gross. Over. Real. Well, I recently burned my hand. Not the same. On chicken. On a pan. And it's really funny because like where you have all these lines and stuff, I just have flat skin because it's all melted into each other. So imagine that on like your penis. You were all-- I could break into somebody's house and only touch with this one finger and they never know. It was me. That was so much fun. Yeah, that was great because yeah, I'm totally a robber now. So yeah, they were caught. The other guy tried to flee with the other guy like bleeding and very uncomfortable. But he was also found with burns all over him. So they found him. Was he standing in the pee puddle? How did he get burns? I suppose they're probably just in a backlash. There was like-- [LAUGHTER] That's really gross. I suspect there's probably backlash, I believe, probably. Well, the thing is the backlash splatter. Yeah, the backlash splatter, he actually interrupted the power supply. Yeah, I assume there was probably a reactant. So there was a big, big kaboom, so anyone was in that radius was just kind of like push out of the way. It was a big deal. Oh, boy. Right up is his gunk junk. Yeah. Yes. So the guy who ran off because he was such a jerk about it, he got four years. Yeah. Apparently, they've been in the can for like a year awaiting trial. So the other guy has time to serve. He got a year or so. Well, let me tell you, nothing is more likely to get you off the meth than having your penis melted off. Yeah. Well, actually no, I suppose that's sort of the opposite of true. Yeah, because now you have nothing to live for except for the meth. I know if I didn't have my penis on the meth. Okay, fair enough. I'm not saying meth is the only whatever, but I'm just saying that's a hardy blow. A hardy blow to the penis to the gunk junk. A hardy blow to the gunk junk. So this is a bit of a right turn, but you guys recently finished the daunting season two. Downton. Yeah. Give me a go. Downton season two and Christmas special and the Christmas special. I knew it was going to be big because generally a pope will look into these sort of things that we're excited about and then learn too much. So she kept saying loaded things like, it's going to be a big episode and I don't ask why. Of course, I got her all built up for it. I wouldn't tell you. So I almost even thought of dressing for the event, I was so excited. The reason I ask or the reason I bring it up at this juncture, do you guys believe, as I do from my passing exposure to the show, that Downton is a pulpy show and is a very pulpy show? I think so, because it's all like backroom scheming and stuff. Backroom scheming and there's a war going on, but there's a lot of love for a period. Yeah. God, I love that. Those really big things happen, but because the next episode, it's always pushed into the future some, like someone may lose the ability to walk or something giant, really crazy happens and in the next episode, you see a cane in the next episode, there's nothing. So they can do a lot of really big things because they're almost, they can essentially take it back, you know, or just propel it into the future a little bit more. Now we've discussed in the past how sort of the romantic aspect of pulps, the romance books have slipped into Harlequin novels now, but they do get kind of lost in the pulp overall. It's a lot of fisticuffs and people forget about the kissing. Well, you kind of need that nice sweetness to counterbalance. The balance, yeah. But yeah, it is. Downton provides. No. Oh, does it ever. And it's so great because it's the first time I think I've really seen, you know, because some of these shows are like about the servants and you're not really so huge on the people. Yeah. Yeah. But you really do follow the love. Either like the servants or you like the rich people, but you don't have to do that. Yes, exactly. Yes. But you can really empathize with every single character, which I really enjoy. At first, not Edith, but as Ann said, you're a lot nicer after the war. No, that was Sible. Yeah. There was only one, one really terrible character, but I really hated Libby Nia, though, and Thomas. Libby Nia, I wish she was so sweet, though. Yeah. Maybe that's why I hated her. Yeah. We need a little inside baseball. Give us 30 seconds of inside baseball because what if there's Downton fans? They're like, "Eee, I know, I've been here, let's cut our throat." So I-- I'm not trying to harsh your chasing the dragon buzz, I'm just-- Yeah. I've actually been listening to the soundtrack on YouTube. Yeah. You know what I really like to see? I wish that they would go back and do commentary for the episodes. They may eventually. I just find it very interesting that it's kind of couched in terms of the British Victorian costume drama. I mean, there have been other shows right upstairs, downstairs, and a few others that have done that before, but I feel like it's pretty soap opera-y, and I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I think it gets more respect because it's so-- Cinema-sized. Like, there's a lot of money, there's a lot of-- It's something every shot, every episode is shot beautifully. Like I'm always impressed with the scenery that I'm watching. Yeah, it's all on location, nothing was fake. You know, I actually looked up some tours they have at Downton. You can-- Oh my god. It's owned by the 8th Earl and Countess of Carnavarin, I think. Oh my gosh, you've spoiled the show. Is it still the people? [LAUGHS] Well, what's an interesting fact is actually the fifth Earl of Carnavarin. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. It was one of the two guys that found the-- Graham Adams will fix you. Was one of the two guys that found the tomb of Touton Common. And so they have a great big-- Oh, oh, oh, yes, I was like, I know that name. Carnavarin, yeah, Carnavarin. So they have a big Egyptian exhibit-- Within the castle. At the castle, yeah. I'm trying to grab a name of the castle, yeah. I'm not really following the timeline too closely to the show, but you must be very close to the approach of-- We're in 1920 now. I realized I said it was on set, but I don't think it is on set, because those people actually still live there. Well, they only live their part time. But yeah, they do. It's not actually called Downton. Oh, of course not. It's called something else. I can't remember the name now. But the people live their part time-- and actually, it's $25 to go visit the grounds and the castle and the exhibit. But you can actually pay to get a special tour where the Earl and the Countess will meet you. It's $12,300 or something like that. And it's for up to four people at most. The Earl and the Countess meet you. You have coffee or tea in the Countess's morning room with her. Yeah. And then you go on a special private tour of the state rooms. And then you have a big lunch in the state dining room. And the Earl personally picks out wine from his cellars for you. Wow. And then you go up to-- I can't remember the name of the Beacon Hill, maybe. It's got a great view of the property there. And you get a private tour of the grounds and stuff. And then you go back and have high tea with them. Isn't that sound awesome? I would totally-- if I went for a high tea with an girl-- Someone rich listening by a spongous sponsor I trip. OK, parenting pro-chip, I kind of-- I'm not necessarily a fan of sort of the peerage system. But at the same time, just make up a title for yourself. I know no one right now is going to buy it in this generation. But once it gets handed down to your children and then it hands down to their children, three generations in, that shit's going to sound impressive. And you're going to be able to sucker people into coming over to your house for $12,000 tees. That's all I'm saying. That seems a little far in the future to get like $12,000. Parenting pro-chip, you've got to think ahead. OK, for our kids, 10 kids. Kids are the future. I'm always learning excellent tips from you, Charity. OK, well, let's move from downtown to downtown Toronto. Ha ha. That was great. And Savage Glenn was mentioning in the mob that George R.R. Martin is coming around town. And it's interesting the way he's doing it. He's doing one appearance in March where he's at a movie theater. And it's regarding the release of the series on DVD, I believe. And he's going to take questions about the show and sort of his producer role and how the-- It's going to be pretty small, pretty intimate. Yeah, well, I've seen the theater. I've never been inside, but I know the theater. And it's not that large, so that's an interesting idea. And then the second event he's going to do is at the Indigo Center. So it's more like about the books and the most recent book and maybe what's going to be happening in the future of the movie. And I hear there's signings at both events. Yes, probably likely. That's awesome. No, it's true. So heads up for anybody in the Toronto area or who loves him enough to make the trip. Yeah, maybe you want to go with this. If you come to town to meet George R.R. Martin, we would be happy to-- Also meet George R.R. Martin. Yeah, also meet George R.R. Martin. We will take you-- Take her for dinner and hang around town. Our fellow Jell-O mentioned, I believe, on my Facebook wall, the Sam Spade item. Did you guys see this? Which Sam Spade? OK, so somebody took the description from-- it's a blog called The Composites. But this individual entry, which I thought would be interesting, was the Sam Spade. They took the description from the Maltese falcon of what he looked like. And then they've used software to recreate what he should actually look like based on the novel's description. That's very interesting. So yeah, I'll put the picture in the show notes, but he looks very kind of thin-faced. The composites, of course. Yeah, I'm trying to think of who he actually might look like in-- if I had to pick somebody, I guess it would be Peter Cook. Yeah. I think that's probably the closest. Do you have the picture? Can I see it? For those of you who don't know Peter Cook, he was the clergyman in the Princess Bride. Oh, like wow, true, wow. Yes, although I was thinking more of his role of Satan in a bedazzled. Yes, that too. But just I'll just briefly read the description. The original bedazzled. Samuel Spade's jaw was long and bony, his chin, a jutting V under the more flexible V of his mouth. His nostrils curved back to make another smaller V. His yellow gray eyes were horizontal. The V motif was picked up again by the thickish brows, rising outward from twin creases above a hooked nose, and his pale brown hair grew down from high flat temples in a point on his forehead. He looked rather pleasantly like a blonde Satan, which kind of makes sense, yeah. You know, blonde Satan's have more fun. He's good at you. It kind of bothers me that he said V so much in that. Yeah, there's a lot of V's there. But I think he wanted to-- I'm sure a sharp kind of hawkish, almost like this. There's a sort of a bit of homes almost, or more homes than I would expect out of somebody I'm used to seeing as Bo Garter. Yeah. Of course, you're thinking of Basel Rathbone as Sherlock, though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. But I mean, isn't that sort of the classic? Even when you see an illustration of homes, it's usually in that style. The sharp. Do you ever think there's going to come to be a time when it's-- Well-- --which is in Cumberbund? Well, you've got to-- Robert Downey Jr. is a Sherlock man. I wouldn't compare him and Basel Rathbone to close-- OK, but here's the thing. I think people enjoy the Robert Downey Jr. homes, but I think they're really enjoying Robert Downey Jr. running around in a kind of stinky setting. It's not-- Homes, that's fair. I think-- I think you could-- it wouldn't hurt it to call it, like, Professor Punch a lot or whatever, and just have him run a mocking-- It's like your white Jesus, right? Well, maybe not white people in Jesus, but what I'm saying is they're not being true to the character, they're not being realistic with who that character is. It's like people would like to think that Jesus is white, and he's very much like them. But they're not taking an honest look at who this Jesus was. That's all I'm saying. Oh, there's a monkey. Yeah, it's a monkey marker that got lost stuck in the rain. So long as my Jesus is doing Victorian cane, food or whatever, I'm OK with it. OK. Yeah, speaking of sort of retro crime business, a poke you had a really interesting article that you stumbled across. Oh, yeah. I was looking around on a retro knot, and I came across this little article they had on these things called the nutshell studies of unexplained deaths. And what they are is they're these little dioramas, I guess, like little-- almost like doll houses that have been set up. Well, that's-- they seem like the article described as doll houses at any time, do you? Yeah, well, I mean, it wasn't necessarily the whole house or whatever. But there were rooms. Scenes. Yeah, scenes, exactly. And they were created in the 1930s and 1940s by this millionaire heiress, who-- Of course. They describe her as a crime-fighting millionaire heiress. Which is fantastic. Yeah. Francis Glesner. And what they did is she, I guess, got the details of the homicides. And she would build these sets, and then they studied them. They were kind of like test run-throughs? Yeah, it was before you had all these CSI things going on. You know, you had a lot of cool scales in your creation. Yeah, creations, only on a smaller scale. And you know, they actually-- they still get used today to train detectives. Really? Yeah. This is another one of those articles where it's unfortunate that I can't demonstrate the pictures because they're really quite intense and quite neat. And yeah, like there are scenes of murder. You'll have like a body and bloody footprints going across something, you know? Here's where the baby was shot to death, you know? And it's horrible, but it's also fascinating because it's so brazenly detailed in these such scenes of horror, you know? And I can't remember. I think there was something like 30 of them or something. Yeah. It's also interesting, it's sort of a vintage time capsule. Yeah. My grandmother was actually into miniature recreations, not a murder scenes, but it seemed to be a hobby at a time that maybe had been lost a little bit. Yeah, you mean like doll houses? Well, doll houses, but like really detailed modern recreations of doll houses, like exact small houses. Although my grandmother was more into doing like rural scenes and a lot of the furniture and stuff that she would put into it would be handmade, but... Well, I think that's generally how it was back in the day. Yeah. Somebody would work on one piece of furniture and... Maybe woodworking kind of hobby. Mm-hmm. Anyway, yeah, that was a great catch. Those nutshell studies are fascinating. Yeah. Go check them out. I also love that they're called the nutshells. Sort of still in the retro vibe. A mobster, Greg Snader. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. He's launched this new project. He doesn't know I'm actually mentioning this. I just plucked it out his Twitter feed. 101teapots.tumbler.com. You know what? I saw that. He's a mobster? Yeah. I had no idea. I've actually seen that article already. Oh, yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. He's doing a teapot a day. He does little illustrations. They're... Oh, he draws them. Mm-hmm. And paints them. They're pretty simple, but he sells the original print framed. And if you're like a teapot fanatic, it's definitely up your alley. Are they very of a gory kind of style? Ooh. Which I love. Mm-hmm. Maybe we should get one. Yeah, I might blow a few bucks and get one for the office. For Skinner Co. Headquarters. Yeah, that would be very nice. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I would really like some mobster art. Yeah, we are huge fans. We are huge fans of original personal art. Like we'd much rather have that than something mass-produced and... Mm-hmm. So like, and we'd totally appreciate it. Like we would hang it up somewhere. So send us your kids. We tend to frame personalized art. So if you have something you want to send along. I'd love to have an original nutty, but that's alright. Yeah. I love to send out little doodles with all the things that we send out to our mobsters, but I would absolutely love to get something back. We should get nutty to draw a Rory and we put it up. A flash Rory? Oh yeah, like in a shirt or something. A mulligan or like in a hoodie or a black hole or a hoodie that would be great. Stick in the office. Ooh, a black... Oh, I think you have all the different Rory's. I don't know if he... I know she launched it. I haven't... I'm sorry nutty. I haven't been back to your site in a couple of days, but she usually does an art project during Lent where she posts a piece of art every day. And so maybe we could suck or something out of her. I know that's how she did the puffy mulligan. That's how I managed to needle her into the puffy mulligan last night. Preeze, you might have a little extra time on your hands with your husband being away for the next week. Oh. Yeah. So if you need some suggestions of how to spend your time, I clearly... Speaking of ways we've blown our time, we watched the shrine. Mm-hmm. Is that the foggy one? Yeah, the horror movie. It's very interesting. It's very interesting. I actually enjoyed the film, but there was this feel like Polish people are foreign and scary, and that was a little odd because I don't think Poland is some... Yeah, of course people. You know what? They changed it around at the end. At the end, like there was this understanding that... Well, yeah, don't give away the twist in case. Yeah, don't give away the twist. But yeah, I mean it was a solid little movie. I just don't buy Poland as your exotic hideaway location. You know? You know? No, I dig that. I don't really know if they were trying to sell that. Well, they were supposed to be like this backwater where this weird thing was going on, and they're all kind of hillbillies and creepy, right? They're Polish hillbillies. They really were. Yes. I can... I can... Like the reason why at the end of that movie I said it was worth the watch is when they sort of flip everything, when something happens to it, like, is it believable? Like, can you see it from both angles or is this entirely... Is this twist just completely making everything fall apart? Yeah. I don't respect that. And then I'm out-y. Yeah, but they did manage to hold it together. They did. There was a lot wrong, but a lot that was watchable. It was a bit slow, but then when they provided it was... Yeah. It was enough. It was enough. I would definitely... It wasn't a brilliant movie, but for a Netflix pick, it was a solid 70. For sure. Yeah. Yes. I think, like, you know, you can chat a little bit while you're watching it, and there was a lot of Polish talking without any sort of... subtitle. Yeah. And I found that... Like, they just did it for so long. And then sometimes I would actually know, no, they're speaking English with an accent. So I don't even know how much of the movie I lost, but I don't think it was entirely all that important. Yeah. Well, I didn't mind the Polish. I kind of had my moments of... Is this even Polish? Are these guys just Americans' talkings of a Java? Yeah. Yeah. Jack Antor and I also ran through the prequel to The Thing, which I would have loved to see. But I had to see... Yeah, it was a timing issue. Yeah. I really actually enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Yeah. I'm not saying that it's a brilliant movie or that it necessarily is as good. It's not as good as the first one. No. The first one in my mind is a classic film. It has a few flaws, but it is, like, a nine for the atmosphere that it portrays. It's his favorite. And the ending is just priceless. Yeah. But just... It's sold to me perfectly. The movie, The New The Thing, The Thing, The Thing. I felt like the film, the prequel, opened with a really solid interaction between the characters. And I was really hoping, because the original is so, although some of the characters are just sketched in, each of them you really get a feel for pretty quickly in the original. Yeah, they stand out. I loved the Norwegians in this film, but I felt like there wasn't enough effort to give them individual characteristics. There's a little bit of a feel of just, like, there's the Norwegians. And then there's the American guy you kind of hate, the American lady who is obviously the hero of the film, and then scientist guy that you kind of heap your scorn on. And everyone else is not really fleshed out too well. And the thing is, like, in the original, even though they're a bit stereotypical, like, there's the pothead and there's the... The grumpy doctor. Yeah. Damn it, Jim. I'm a doctor. Not a... Yeah. Crap fighter. But at the same time, all of those actors I felt in the original sold a role really well. And not to say the Norwegians didn't in this one, it's just they weren't given enough to work with, essentially. Except for Lars. Lars, of course, becomes the one guy that you really kind of glom onto. It's almost like a blue coat thing I'm noticing. There's a lot of heroes, and they're usually, you see them, they're the surprise heroes. You're usually wearing, like, a blue coat, or, like, ash with his blue shirt. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Remember you mentioned that in the... The shrine, yeah. In the shrine. And you were right. You were totally right, because... He ended up having to step up and... Yeah. Anyway, it was a good movie. It wasn't the best movie, but it was a good movie. The CGI really detracted for me, I have to admit, I really wish they had stuck more with the practical effects. Yeah, you know, I remember we were having a conversation about that before you actually even watched the movie. And I think it's unfortunately going to age because of the CGI pretty rapidly, but at the same time, it's a solid watch. It's a good, you know, Sunday afternoon, or late night when you've watched, or if you want to chain the two together, I could see that being a good... I would do that, yeah. Because you go through the first one, and it's kind of a buildup, and then when you do the next one, it's going to be... You're like, yeah. You're really tempted to do that last night, because it's getting pretty late. Yeah, three o'clock. Now I did notice, off the top of the thing, that there was a preview for Scorpion King 3. Oh, geez. I just wanted to make a note. Does anybody remember the old, I don't know, it'd be like 50, 60, 70s Italian Hercules movies? Well... But the ones where he's always like, "I'm so sleepy." Oh, yes. At least we're pretty old school, and it was always... Yeah, the ones that appeared on that is of that series, although there's more of them than just one of them. Hercules on chain. Hercules versus the moon men. Those films, they opened with a guy, I believe his name was Alan Steele, and they ended up moving on to another Hercules, and they just kept the, it was supposed to be the same chain of films, it was made by the same studio or whatever, but they kept swapping out drunken strong men. Kind of like something different. I feel like that's what the Scorpion King, like I've never really been into the series, but I know that the rock isn't involved with it, but they've kind of... It's Ron Pearlman in it. I think this part... He's in the three. Oh yeah, yeah, he's involved. And Billy Zane, which is really what caught my attention, I was like, "Poor Billy Zane, how far have you fallen?" Yeah. I've never been a big Billy Zane fan now. Demon Knight? His role in Demon Knight is one of the things that sells that... It's so great. He even wins something for Titanic too, for being a villain in it. Yeah, maybe. And here's the thing, maybe he just makes so much money from Titanic royalties that he's like, "Man, I don't care. I'm not gonna try that hard." You can catch him on Ui Bowl movies once in a while. Oh. On what? Ui Bowl. He does like a lot of... Ui Bowl is a German director who, he's the guy who did, like, House of the Dead, and... Far Cry. He tastes a lot of computer video games and buys movie rates and makes terrible movies. Terrible movies. Terrible movies. And the thing is, I think he's kind of stopped doing it. I love that game. I have two interesting factoids. It's interesting that you mention Ui Bowl. One, Ui Bowl's original business plan was essentially to make terrible movies because there was a loophole in German tax law that allowed him to basically make a terrible film and then make money back off of the government because they were subsidizing the film industry. Wow. Okay. Two, Ui Bowl lives in, like, Mississauga, or maybe it's on the other side of Toronto, but he's like, within an hour of a house. It's so weird. I always found it strange, the kind, like, he manages to get himself some big names in his movies, but, like, they're not so much big names anymore, like, Bert Reynolds was in one of them. Yeah. 'Cause they're cheaper. Dave Statham, Ron Perlman's been in a few of them, I think. Well, I think it's because he does have some money to invest into the movies because somehow he knew he was getting it back. And I think the German... He knew how to play the... The system, yeah. So it was budgeted enough, you know? Yeah. Interesting. The thing is, I think the German government finally closed that situation, so I can't do it anymore. And now that's why it's Mississauga. Yeah. And now he lives in Canada. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Everyone making terrible movies everywhere. Thanks a lot, Ui Bowl. Merry. So yeah, I just find like they're swapping out the main, 'cause there's... I can't remember the, and I'm gonna be railed against for this, I can't remember the dude who's playing the sort of main warrior character in the new Scorpion King, but it's obviously supposed to be sort of a replacement for the rock, like, it looks like the rock when he's got a beard on, and it's just of that vibe, like, they're just swapping out to keep the franchise doing it. So it's the rock with the beard? Is that what you're saying? He looks like the rock with the beard. That's funny. What's that, guy's name? Barista? Batista. Yeah. That's terrible. That meant to be a restaurant named Batista. Really? Yeah, and he looks like... Why would somebody call themselves Batista? It's just his name. It's like his last name. Oh, yeah. It's Anthony Batista or something. I don't remember his name. I apologize. So we just always need some sort of half-naked strong man with the movie series. And he looks kind of like a strong jaw, and you're pretty much sold to put a sword in his hand and send him out there. Yeah, so I think the second one, the Scorpion King is a villain, was like... Shh. The guy from the MMA fighting, yeah. Oh, yeah. Randy Couture or something like that? Oh, so it's sort of like... I have to admit, we're getting into it in an area of... Giving people their wrestling jollies. Yeah. I'm getting into an area where I'm highly uncomfortable. Yeah. She's just... Large oiled men. Oh, come on. No. You're not a homophobe. No, but I am a wrestler phobe. Yeah, exactly. And a beater up a phobe. Yeah. Oh, I dig that. What are you gonna do when you slam into a slimy-diver or step into a slimy-diver? What? I don't even know what you're talking about. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's the end of my wrestling experience. That's where I kind of fell off. Mm-hmm. Okay, we were having an interesting discussion the other day about the book and film Shogun. Oh, one of my faves. Testorical fiction. It's Marvie. Right. And... Englishman, right. Lands in Japan. Yeah. Blackthorn. And Jensen. Yeah. Has to deal with this foreign culture. The Japanese. A dapper die. Yeah. He also runs into the Portuguese and the Spanish. Yeah, there's definitely some intrigue there in business. Okay, now my contention was, my contention was that the reason Shogun is popular and maybe out of their books by James Clavall or whatever, Clavall weren't as popular is because there's an interesting fantasy vibe to Shogun. But you deny this. You argue with the fantasy vibe. I say there's no fantasy vibe because it's... I would argue it's historical fiction whereas he's saying it's fantasy. I'm not necessarily saying it's fantasy. I'm saying it has a heavy fantasy vibe. Well, I don't. Okay. For example... Everything is possible. Everything is scientifically possible. It doesn't seem. Yeah. Nothing goes out of the norm. Nobody's... Yes. Okay. There is no element of the norm. I understand. What I understand to be... Hold up. Let me respond. Okay. Okay. But what I'm saying is, for example, in the first Game of Thrones book especially, you'll note that there's very little actual magic use. There's dragons at the end and there's the walkers at the start. The direwolves. And the... The direwolves are large dogs. No, they're not. No, they're not. They're not. They don't fly. They're totally logged in. The thing is... The giants and the mammoths end. The size they're at in the first book because they're still in the years. They're still in the years. So they're just wolf-sized. Yeah, but they're considered to be miraculous to be found beyond the wall. They understand. I understand. I understand. But they're not. Yeah, but at the same time it's not magic. They're not flying. They're not peeing rainbows. They're just large animals. That's true. And I'm saying that the majority of the first Game of Thrones book is devoid of fantasy in the sense that there is magic. I still disagree. There's prophecy. Hold on. Let me see. Let me... I understand that there are parts when she's trying to raise the cow and all of that business that is magical. But the majority of the fantasy vibe in that book is sold by encountering the different cultures, encountering the different like interesting settings, the area in the north and the wall and everything. And a lot of the magic in Shogun is exactly that magic of this English-made encountering the Japanese culture, encountering their customs, their sword play, you know. But I would still disagree that that is what necessarily makes fantasy. I don't think that that's enough to draw the line from historical fiction into fantasy because you'll run into the same aspect in, say, Wilbur Smith's stuff where you have the English coming to Africa and to the Middle East. And you'll have that same clash of culture and how it all seems a little mystical. But it's not. It's still just historical. Once it's explained. I still... I don't know. Wilbur Smith, man. There's definitely a little bit of a fantasy vibe there too though, I would argue, where he's got like, "Oh, the son of the captain rises up to be this uber badass and he can make shots that no other man can possibly make." And like it may not be something else. That's a hero. It is pretty... The story is fantastical. Yeah. That this guy would be accepted how he is. And my feeling is that historical fiction is something closer to Jane Austen, which is there are some people in a very normal setting doing some very normal stuff or doing stuff that is interesting but relatively within the realm of reality. And I'm saying that ships in the high seas or dudes washed up on foreign islands with weird cultures is fantastical enough that it... To be considered fantasy? It brims into that vibe. I'm not saying... You're saying it has the vibe. Yeah. I'm not saying put it in the fantasy section of the bookstore. After Jane. I'm just saying there's definitely... The shows are very cool. The reason these books excel may be over top of the other historical fiction that is being written, that is maybe a little more historically accurate, is because... I'm not arguing. I don't know of the accuracy of Shogun, frankly. I'm saying the reason these books excel is because of the extra spice of fantasy that is on top. Well, what about... The icing of fantasy. What about something like Philippa Gregory's books that are having to do with the English court and stuff? I would say they're also historical fiction but they are no more magical than... I would definitely say they're historical fiction. I'm not arguing with those books at all. I don't think they're fantasy. I don't know. I would definitely say they are firmly within historical fiction. But they're just as fantastical as the other ones. I would argue that. I think there's obviously... She takes some leeway with the characters and she'll maybe put an interpretation on events in a way that isn't necessarily... She'll change things up slightly. She'll take some creative license or maybe change a character's attitude that you expect to be a nice person into a bad person or whatever to play against the historical stereotype. But at the same time, she's staying really within the bounds. No one hops on a high season friggin' takes out a pirate fleet at any point. You know what I mean? There's not... It's not that level. Yeah, I guess. I think historical adventure plus... There's no like suspension of belief, right? Right. I think historical fiction plus adventure, you start edging into fantasy right there. Okay. I agree. All right. Stamped it. I just thought that was something worth discussing. I... She did discussion. Oh, actually that reminds me... The Crystal Cave. You remember the Crystal Cave? Yeah. That was also of that vibe. There would be the occasional prophecy or the occasional... Well, I would call that fantasy. It was definitely a fantasy, but I'm saying that it was one that... That edged. Although it was obviously fantasy. I don't think that was anything like historical fiction. She's gonna turn you down. I think the way magic was presented in the Crystal Cave was trying to edge on historical fiction. I don't think it is a historical fiction book. I believe it for, especially in the later books because of the trilogy, it belongs firmly in fantasy. But I'm just saying the way they approached magic use in those books where it's like prophecies are almost incidental events and magic is a very minimal event, like a very minimal thing that happens. Even lighting a small fire is considered like a huge deal. They're trying to make that more realistic. It's that rare where they come together. Anyway, just a thought. So whereas Shogun would be like historical fiction bordering on fantasy, that's fantasy bordering on historical fiction. Yes. I would say that's exactly right. I would say... Dig. Lone Wolf and Cub. Also in that sort of... Yes. We were arguing that I said that that's historical fiction because there's no magic, and you're like, what? He has a gun carriage. Yeah. He has like a machine gun beneath his baby carriage. I'm not sure that's like... Well... And I couldn't argue that, because he does, but that part was unbelievable to me. Yeah, but I'm... I love that part, but I thought it made it fantasy. And once you reach that point where you have to have a suspension of disbelief that... Yes. Yeah. That's when it becomes... And then just gonna make a very good point. And when suspension of disbelief starts edging in there, that's when you... Yeah. So that's to achieve even a little bit. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's on the back end before we move into the spot of bother this week. Oh, I'm really looking forward to this in false claims. I hope your sister's not listening. Yeah, a couple of personal notes. Oh, there's that monkey again. Oh, I'm in the monkey labs. I did a small interview over at Novel Details, Novel, and then a D, and then Tales.blogspot.com. Plus a monkey. Yeah. Yeah. Plus a monkey, yeah. A short bit of fun with Hilary, that was good. I appreciate her taking the time. We also have people posting pictures of themselves, and they're listening environment in the mob. Mm-hmm. Those are great. Now, if you're kind of concerned about showing your face or revealing yourself on Facebook because I know people sometimes don't like having their... Then you're disqualified. No. If you... Jessica May. If you email us... I want faces. No, no. I'm saying if you email us something at comments@flashpops.com, and you just say, "I don't want to be known as my actual name, just call me whatever they know you buy on the intertubes." That you prefer. We would be happy to add it to the gallery without specifically ratting you out. Mm-hmm. But yeah, it's a random draw, it's not who has this goatee. Oh, yes. We forgot there's a contest involved. Yes. Yes. That's right. Whoever gets randomly drawn will get randomly drawn. Yeah. Oh, Hilary. Yes, we're going to randomly pick somebody from the batch. Yeah. And then she's going to draw you. And it's going to render you an RT. Whee. Result. Yeah. You know it'd be really bad if out of this someone was like, "Oh, I don't really think that's..." Yeah. Yeah. That's what I like. I like what you think I look like. No, you're not doing a realistic sketch, though, right? You're doing sort of a comic-y sketch. Is that right? I'll do whatever I want. Yeah. That's how you get turned into a zombie, ladies and gents. That's right. You would know. Yeah. Okay. Well, I just wanted to wrap up by saying that I am playing Hero Academy still. Yes. Add me to your game list and I will pummel you. Jaredie Skinner. Also, follow me on the Twitter, "Jaredie Skinner." Do you have anything actually Gigantor is sitting in today? Do you have anything that you want to push before we go to the next section? Yeah. I got... I'm Gigantor King on iOS and Twitter. I'm always around the mob on Facebook. I'm not hard to find and I also have Walker's Head Survivor on YouTube and Twitter, but I really should be checking it out more. Google+ is what I believe. Yeah. Although, Google+ is turning a bit of a wasteland, unfortunately. I love the system, but it's not coming out well. Well, oh, that sounds so harsh. It's just the system is fantastic, but it feels like it's slowly turning into a ghost town. So, what's Facebook kind of starting to look more and more like my space? Little bit. I'm feeling like the only thing I do on Facebook anymore involves the mob. Yeah. Or being kind of berated by family members. Yeah. That too. Oh. I did want to briefly mention too that we had a series of comic shop victories recently. We got to tour some of the local comic shops and they took on some flashbulb stickers. So, if you happen to be listening because you were shopping at the hobby shark or the dragon or any of the Toronto area. Please make mention and good for you for shopping there because they're awesome. Yeah. They are great places. And thanks a lot for listening. And if anyone knows of any other shops that would like to have any of our things. Yeah. If you want a comic store. Well, no. I thought if any mobsters go to shops considering they're ridiculously unique. Oh, yeah. If you've got an inside, if you're that guy who has an inside feed on your local geek shop, please do let us know. We'll send you stickers and things. And we'll, yeah, swipe you up a little bit to try to push things. Promote, promote, promote. And then we'll go on our fancy vacations together. I don't know if anyone got that on. To downtown. All right. I've decided that when we're a huge empire, we're going to take the mobsters like the real meat, the real core of the people and we'll just go somewhere fantastical every year. I still live up to the hope of someday being able to assemble something like the Jonathan Colton cruise where he has like the cruise with Colton. You ever hear about that? Yes. No. What? He famous geek rock star. Or I know who he is. Backstreet boys do it. Lots of people. They basically get a boat and then it fills up with geek guests. He has a pollen storm and a bunch of others of the geekarotty show up and they do nightly shows or whatever. They hang out. And they just hang out on a boat and tour around. Eat buffet. Yup. No one. Check in different cultures and stuff. If anybody wants to go on a cruise with us. Yeah. We would totally get a boat, the pulp tour. And we would make all the. It would be so much fun. We would dock places and just go eat together. We could go check out real crime scenes and stuff on various weird locations. Good luck guys. We're totally going to do this. We could swing by that island where Henry Haiti ate that German tourist. And we'll buy your tickets. Yeah. You can do a smaller version with the fan expo. You know, it's not really a boat and it's not really the ocean. Oh yeah. But it's a. It's already funny. Maybe we'll. Maybe we'll. And some birds. No. Actually, thanks, Jack. And for reminding me. We're doing fan expo this year, guys. Toronto, August. Yes. That's right. Let us know, we'd love to set up some mob events. Jeff Lynch is coming along. And so is Patrick Stewart. So excited. Yeah. Patrick Stewart, he's going to totally hang out with us. You might not be with us, but he's talking a little more excited about Jeff Lynch. Yeah. Yeah. It's shaping up to be a great lineup and it'd be nice to get the mob together and tour around a little bit. There's enough people coming along and they're interested. Maybe we could find some, you know, local ghost tour or something kind of pulpy and get a little bit offsite. It'll be the time. It'll be the time of year for it. Mm hmm. There's a lot of people that go on like the Scott pilgrimage to visit all the sites that got built here. Like the burrito place. Yeah. Yeah. We've been to some of the places accidentally just by wondering around. Oh, hey. This was the place from. Yeah. Mm hmm. Good burritas. Okay. Well, I'm quite excited and maybe a little bit anxious to meet Jeff Lynch at fan expo. This would be a good time to bring up his most recent spot of bother. Just a little reminder before we go into it. You can find all of his work over at bothersomethings.com and he's recently relaunched his miniature spot of others. He's spending out a few weeks. They've been pretty fantastic. He put one regarding a child out recently that I know neither of you should be listening to. But it was very interesting. But again, it was a little rough. For those of you who have children, be warned. So speaking of warnings in children, let's hear Jeff tell us about horrible clams. Spot of bother. For the record, I love clowns. In fact, as a boy in high school, I was a clown. A small group, or rather, troupe of us would slather on makeup, don our colorful, crazy costumes and entertain folks all over town. We would perform at school functions, open for events at the local civic center, and roam around the grounds of the annual apple festival. It was a blast. Being a clown is awesome. It allows you to do things that you might otherwise never think of doing in public and provides a sense of whimsical anonymity. One of my favorite clowns of all time was Pogo. He isn't with us anymore. Pogo entertained children all over the Midwest with his crazy antics and good-natured sense of humor. However, just like Pennywise of Stephen King fame, Pogo had a little problem. He liked to kill children. Well, more specifically, in the case of Pogo, adolescent boys. He had another name that's a bit more notorious, one John Wayne Gacy. As you might recall, Gacy was executed in 1994 for the torture and murder of 33 boys, many of whom he buried under his house. After all these years, investigators are having another look at poor old Pogo. It seems just like me, he too may have been in a group, or rather, a troupe, and may not have pulled all of those dreadful pranks on those poor unsuspecting lads all by himself after all. Here's more from the Chicago Sun Times. Two Chicago lawyers have reexamined the circumstances surrounding the disappearances of three victims of serial killer John Wayne Gacy, and concluded he probably had one or more accomplices. Criminal defense attorneys Robert Stevenson and partner Stephen Becker took a fresh look at victims Russell Nelson of Minneapolis and Robert Gilroy and John Mallory of Chicago. The three young men disappeared in 1977 and were among 29 victims found in 1978 on Gacy's property in unincorporated Norwood Park Township. Four other victims were found in the Diplans River. Gacy, a building contractor who performed as an amateur clown, was executed in 1994. The attorney said they reviewed Gacy's travel and work records, which indicated he was out of town when Nelson and Gilroy disappeared. The work records also showed Gacy didn't have much time to abduct torture and kill Mallory, the lawyer said. Stevenson said some relatives of the victims have told them they would like the investigation reopened, or at least people questioned and then see what the evidence actually is. Stevenson said he's prepared to provide the Cook County Sheriff's Office and other authorities with the names of potential Gacy accomplices. The Sheriff's Office originally investigated the murders. Stevenson also said the evidence of possible accomplices is particularly compelling in the Gilroy and Nelson cases. The attorneys pinpointed the time Gilroy vanished to the hour between a 5 p.m. telephone call to a girlfriend and a 6 p.m. horse riding appointment he missed on September 15, 1977. They also found a copy of a plane ticket showing Gacy flew to Pittsburgh on September 12, 1977 and didn't return to Chicago until 828 p.m. on September 16, 1977. The attorney said nothing in 18-year-old Gilroy's background indicates he would have run away based on interviews with his friends. They believe someone abducted him while Gacy was out of town. The attorneys also spoke to relatives of Nelson, a University of Minnesota architecture student who traveled from Minneapolis to Chicago with a friend on October 18, 1977 to look at skyscrapers. The friend told police that Nelson vanished on the evening of October 19, 1977 while they stood outside a bar in Chicago. But Nelson's mother said the friend later gave her a different account. Stevenson said he doesn't believe that Gacy could have snatched the 21-year-old Nelson from the street without the friend saying anything. Nelson's mother told Stevenson the friend repeatedly asked her for money. The friend, a 29-year-old carpenter at the time of Nelson's disappearance, also lived in Minneapolis, but some have speculated he may have met Gacy when the contractor was working a job in Minnesota. She provided another chilling detail. The friend offered Nelson's two brothers a job with Gacy. The brothers, along with Nelson's father, traveled to Chicago to look for him and met the friend according to Theresa Nelson, a sister-in-law of Russell Nelson. I always thought someone else was involved with the murder. She said, "I don't think they should let this lie." This caused a lot of hurt. I closed myself off to the world for six months. If there was an accomplice, he should be brought to justice. Stevenson asked that the friend's name not be published, but said he would provide it to authorities. Stevenson acknowledged the evidence in Maori's case is the weakest in showing an accomplice may have worked with Gacy. Maori, 19, disappeared at 10 p.m. on September the 25th, 1977, after having dinner at his mother's house. He was scheduled to work the next morning, Stevenson said. Contractor records show Gacy was at a job in Michigan at 6 a.m. on September 26, 1977, and was in Michigan until September 30, 1977. No one ever questioned Gacy's meticulous records. He doubts Gacy would have the time to abduct, torture, and kill Maori in the narrow timeframe between Maori's disappearance and Gacy heading to work in Michigan. Stevenson said other evidence points to accomplices as well. After he was arrested in 1978, Gacy told officers, "Who else do you have in the station?" "There are others involved," he was asked, directly or indirectly, and responded, "Directly." They participated. He was asked, "Who are they?" and he responded, "My associates." Also, Gacy told police he got the idea of putting victims on a torture board from Elmer Wayne Henley, a Texas serial killer. Henley was an accomplice of Dean Coral, who killed at least 28 boys and young men. Henley killed Coral and is now serving a life sentence. Gacy was a copycat, Stevenson said, and he was copycatting a killer who used accomplices. Additional evidence, Gacy may have worked with accomplices includes the testimony of Jeff Rignell. Rignell said he was lured into Gacy's black olesmobile in March 1978. He said he was drugged, tortured, and raped in Gacy's home, then dumped in Lincoln Park. Rignell tracked down Gacy and went to the police who arrested him. Gacy was awaiting trial in the Rignell case when he was arrested for the bodies in his crawl space. Following Gacy's arrest, Rignell said he believed someone else was in the house when he was being tortured. He said lights were going on and off while Gacy was torturing him. He heard other voices and at one point woke up to see a man in front of him while Gacy was behind him. You know, this story reminds me of something. I should look up my old clown friends and see what they've been up to all these years. I'm Jeffrey Lunchen, that's this week's spot of bother. Huh, thanks Jeff. That's really bothersome. It was very interesting. I don't know though. You see, my first assumption is that if I were a serial killer, I'd probably set out to attempt to set up some sort of alibi right now and then, and so I might actually make it look like I was out of town for a weekend when I was, you know, murdering a dude. Oh yeah, coincidentally, I was out of town exactly one day before and one day after that guy was murdered. Yeah, but to, what was it, 33 was his count or something like that, to only get like alibis on three of them and to forget for the other three, that's a little impulsive. I don't mean to sound whatever. I don't mean to disparage the police, but I suspect the first few times as a serial killer that you kill somebody, you're probably very, very paranoid about the whole thing and then you get a little blazay and you start kind of just, oh, another day at the office, gonna go murder a dude, you know what I mean, so you don't, you know, you're not making the alibis anymore. Yeah. I mean, you're not really. You're just in there, stab a guy, get out. You're not really considering. You're just doing it on your lunch break now. That's pretty horrible. You're not considering like once you've gotten that many crimes under your belt, you know that when you are going away, you are going away forever and you're not really focused on like the future. Yeah. When all you're worried about is murderizing, you're not concerned. There's probably an increasing feeling though, when you get away with the first 15, you're probably like, man, I think I'm pretty good at this. You probably think you can get away with a few more. Yeah. 16 shouldn't be a problem. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Putting it in your own house though, in your own crawl space, that is a dumb ass idea. Yeah. Well, like it's private. I'm not sure. Well, it worked the first 32 times. Yeah, the first 10, you probably have really well hidden. You've got all these really clever places you spend getting. But now they're under the same. And then eventually, yeah, you're just cramming them anywhere you can fit them. I think there's also this temptation with this sort of crime, because John Wayne Gacy's a pretty larger than life figure at this point, like the clown murderer, you know, I think everyone's heard of him. I think there's a temptation to just embiginate, if you will, his myth, like to enlarge the legend behind him and try to say, well, it couldn't have been just one man. And it had to be a cadre of murderous clown. I don't know. That seemed like some solid evidence to me. I don't know. I don't know. I think. I don't want to. Was he a clown too? Is there just like a murderous clown? Yeah. Who says it has to be another clown, Jamie? No, no. Yeah. It's got to be another clown. Why? Because it's more fun that way. Like, even his taunt that there may have been people involved, is that a taunt you want to risk? Yeah. Right or wrong on? Well, here, that's another point. I mentioned, if you get to the point where you're really, and this is kind of a sad statement, but if you get to the point where you're really watching a lot of serial killer documentaries or just a lot of news coverage on them, you'll realize that they end up, like they're in prison for so long and they're given media access and they're so bored. And eventually they just say everything. Like they say they did it. They say they're innocent. They say, like, they go through the whole gambit because they've got nothing else to do but sit in a cell and talk about it. Hmm. You know what I mean? If they don't say something sensational and nobody pays attention to them. I think sometimes, too, when people get in that situation where they've killed a lot of people or done terrible things, they make a different story up in their mind entirely. And they believe it. They believe what they're, they start forgetting the reality. There's other, there's also so many reasons for doing those sorts of things, like to enlarge your murder count, say, just so that they spend extra time trying to find bodies that aren't there or... But capital punishment, this is why it's so stupid, is that if that guy is still alive, I'm sure they could have found out some more information. Yeah. I think a fellow who's willing to kill that many people is seriously troubled. Yeah, but I don't think that he's also Rambo and can get out of jail. No, no, no, I'm not arguing that. Um... No, I think you're arguing that he's Rambo. Yeah, that he's Rambo. In fact, he's right behind me. Oh my god, clown Rambo. I want to see that clown in Rambo. The other thing is they're depending on his meticulous records, like again, if he wants to make an alibi and if they're his records. Well, if they've been correct up to this point. Alright, no, but here's the thing. Is there another part in the record where he's a like, ten AM Tuesday, kill the guy? Like, unless he does record the actual murders, then I have to assume his itinerary is. I think he would be pretty sure if he had an accomplice though or not. Again, I think he probably would be innocent on that. I think you're BSing on that. I think I may be the account. No. Oh my god. It's coming from all your ears. Anyway, good luck finding your clown friends, Jeff. Yes. I hope that's successful and that none of them are murderizing people. You know what I find increasingly hilarious that the more we learn about Jeff, the more he seems like a really like. He's done everything. He's done everything, but you know, he was a clown, man. He was caring about people, but he's also the most bothersome fellow that shows up. Anyway, I'm just saying, I'm not saying he's murdered a dude. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, we're meeting him at Fan Expo saying, and we'll tell you where we are all the time. We don't want to wear the makeup. No. We don't want to be mistaken for juggalos. Creepy. Yeah. Okay. I think we're going to hear now from Barry, straight under New York. I'm Barry, and this is your famous original New York minute. The flash mob is reading the Hunger Games in the book club, and while I'm not reading it, I am kind of hungry. What do I want? Pizza. Pizza doesn't love pizza, and seriously, if you don't love pizza, then go to your kitchen and munch on a key for the next few minutes, because I'm going to be talking about the most American of foods. Sure, I know that pizza comes in Italy, but like bagels and Gordon Ramsay, America has embraced pizza and made it its own, and not just anywhere in America, but New York. Think about it. New York City. Little Italy. Enough said. How many pizzerias are there in New York City? I've been a little too busy to go out and count, but some internet research yields numbers anywhere from 1,000 to over 3,000. Whichever number you go with, I still think it's too low. Where I live in Bensonhurst, the pizza capital of Brooklyn, there are over a dozen pizza places within a 15 minute walk, and I'm not counting chain shops like Domino's or Papa John's. I'm talking about neighborhood places where you can go in and order a slice in a soda. One pizza place that is not near my home is raised pizza, and if you live in New York, you know how odd that is. Raised pizza is not a chain. It is simply the most imitated name in the city. Strong around Manhattan, and you will see store after store after store with some variation of raised pizza. Famous raised pizza. Original raised pizza. Famous original raised pizza. Both famous original raised pizza. Raised pizza of Broadway. Even not raised pizza. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. For the most part, none of these places have any connection with each other. While there are close to 50 raised pizza places in New York, you won't find the first. The real original raised pizza, which opened in 1959, went out of business just before Halloween of last year. With the original Ray, whose name was not Ray at all, but Ralph, can rest easy knowing that he spawned a true New York original. Now before all of you Chicago pizza people start yelling, "I've been to Chicago and I've eaten your pizza, it's good, New York's is better, get over it." This has been your New York Minute. I'm off to the flash mob on Facebook where I am sure the great pizza debate is about to erupt. After all, that's the place where we still go gaga over Canadian versus American candy. I'm Barry, looking to stir up a little trouble this week. I don't know if you've heard Barry, but next to New York, there's a place that's very, very famous for pizza and that's Canada Buddy. We're here in the Northman, we just ate pizza from a place called the Pizza Hub, over town of like a thousand and fifteen people. I'll tell you if you tried it up in here, you'd be like, "It's magical" is, it is. Those are delicious pizza I think. Yeah, we make it in our igloos and our huts. Yeah, but I'm actually trying pizza in New York as high on the list of tourist things to do. It totally is. I just, he wanted to start some crap, so I thought I'd give him a hand. Yeah, help him out, fan the play. Hey, us Northies know how to make your pizza better. Oh. Shazam. I appreciate the attempt, but even I'm not really buying it. Yeah, well I fear conflict really for real, so I don't actually mean it, Barry, please don't be mad. But thank you for the submission. Yeah, it was tight. I really enjoyed it, nice work. I am very excited. Makes me hungry. Yeah. We're hungry too. Well, we have more pizza. But it would be really cool if we were to eat pizza in New York if you would show us Barry where to go. Mm-hmm. And it is sort of sad that there's all these like, Ray pizza shops that are, you know, tipping their hat to this raised pizza that's actually gone out of business. That's kind of sad. Yeah, I agree. Let's show it here. But also, obviously, he should have made his money by suing people for calling their places for raised pizza, all in litigation. Thanks, Barry. You can find all of Barry's stuff over at bmj2k.com. Thanks, Barry. There's a blogarie and his, he does post up the New York, like, text from the New York minute afterwards. Like, pizzeria? I don't need it. I don't think so. I don't think, yeah. I don't think I can really come up with like, pizzeria. She knew it immediately. Like, came up with like, some sort of a bowel dis, like, bowel syndrome. Love her, Barry. Yeah. Poor Barry has the blogarie. You're looking real again. Oh, so good luck with that, Barry. So now we have chapter two from Gibraltar, horrible histories. He is reading the histoscope. "Sightedations, I'm Gibraltar and I welcome you again to horrible histories." Here for this week, I'd like to talk something about the pertaining holiday, at least in America, histoscope on. All right, all right, everything seems to be working. Steam pup is in the green. Infra cells are up, dino therms are connecting everything in the pipe, five by five. Valentine was a holy priest in Rome who, with St. Mary and his family, assisted the martyrs in their persecution under Claudius II. In roughly the year 270, he was apprehended and sent by the emperor to the prefective Rome who, upon finding his promise to make Valentine renounce his faith ineffectual, commanded him to be beaten with clubs and afterwards beheaded. The origin of St. Valentine, however. When he was canonized, or even how many St. Valentine's there have been, remains a mystery. One opinion is that he was a Roman martyred for refusing to give up his Christian faith. Other historians hold that his St. Valentine was a temple priest, jailed it for defiance under the reign of Claudius. One legend says that he, while awaiting execution, Valentinius restored the sight of a jailer's blind daughter. Another legend holds that on the eve of his death, he penned a farewell note to the jailer's daughter and signed it from your Valentine. Whomever he was. Valentine really existed. Archaeologist had them have unearthed in a Roman catacomb. An ancient church dedicated to St. Valentine. In the year 496-80, Pope Glesius marked February 14th as a celebration in his honor. So the next time you send your sweetheart flowers, chocolates, or promises you don't intend to keep, remember the patron saint of love and lovers. And also happy marriages, travelers, beekeepers, fainting, and epilepsy, apparently. Again, the histoscope goes dark on me and that is a lot of smoke. And there goes the sprinklers. It's going to take me forever to clean this up. Where did I put the mops? Well, until the next time I've filled with mobsters, maybe then I'll have this thing fixed by then. Anyone know where I can get a teserat at this hour? Oh, that was really great. Yeah, these are fantastic. I love the little banter before. Yeah, I was just going to say, even more so than the history. Yeah. What happened to the histoscope? Why is there smoke? I wasn't sure how historical we were going to get, because last one seemed not contemporary, but not that far back. But I really like that he's dug in this time for some pulpy old school stuff. Yeah, and I like the idea that Valentine's Day is a Roman holiday, because I love that movie, Roman holiday. Okay, well, good luck getting the histoscope fixed up there, Gibraltar. Yes. And hopefully we'll talk to you next week. Good speed, sir. Yeah. Finally, I believe we have another entry from Doc Blue, Dave Wendt, who I don't know if you guys know this, but you can find some of his postings over at thesecretlayer.com. Bumble. It's a pretty fun little site. It's like a blog all about mad science and secrets. Yeah, it's, you know, there's some book reviews, there's some just anything mad science related. They have some recurring segments that are pretty hilarious. Oh, that's pretty cool. Yes, thesecretlayer.com. Go there. And now I'm excited to hear the continuing adventures of Doc as we have a dip flash pulp gang. This is Doc Blue again. I'm trying to new audio setup or rather a rebuilt one, since I had to rebuild my machine from scratch. That's another story. So if the sound quality is off, let me know and I'll make some adjustments for next time. And now the next chapter in the adventures of Doc Asriel, Angel of Death. In the last episode we met the gruff Sergeant Parr, the eager officer Corley, and the Rotan Mr. Keenan as the former two were addressing the latter following a visit attributed to Doc Asriel himself. After Corley stopped Sergeant Parr as the ranking man made his way to his car. Do you want us to look for the perp? The Husky officer stopped and peered at his subordinate incredulously. We have the perp, Corley. No, I mean, the Angel of Death. Shouldn't we see if Doc Asriel is still around? Parr barked to laugh. Sure. And while you're at it, see if you can book the Easter Bunny for littering. The Sergeant leaned closer to Corley. This department has overworked and under-thubbed it. Somebody just handed us enough evidence to take Keenan off the street for a long time, as long as we do the legwork to make the collar stick. You want to go chasing after some ghost? What's the matter, Corley? Are you spending too much time at home with the wife and kids? I can assign you to some extra street patrols if you want. Is that what you want? Ah, no sir. No. Good. Then get Keenan back to the precinct and start chasing down some real leads. Parr shook his head as the younger man walked away. I don't have the money to pay the overtime anyway. The drive back to the police station was uneventful. Parr took the long way around to give himself time to thank. Finding Jimmy Keenan gift-wrapped this way was good for the department in more ways than he could count. They had the worst record in the state, and it was largely due to would-be crime bosses like Keenan. Men like that were smart enough and connected enough to stir up all sorts of problems, but not quite powerful enough to disguise it as politics. If Parr's men could make the Keenan collar stick, that would get the commissioner off their back, at least for a few weeks, and it would send a message to those who tried to take advantage of the ensuing power of act with them. Eventually Parr's district would look too expensive for new thugs to want to set up shop. Maybe then Parr would get a promotion, or at least some time off. Parr ceased his daydreaming of a vacation on a sunny beach somewhere as he pulled into the station house. He grunted his greeting to the attendant and made his way up the back staircase to his office. The room was small on the furniture worn, but it provided him a place to thank. As instructed, the latest pages from Doc Azrael were in his inbox when he settled into his chair. He looked over the illuminated sheets briefly before dropping them back into the tray and pushing his chair back. There was a window with a view of the firescape behind his desk. On the opposite wall there was a map of the district dotted with a handful of colored pins. Parr found the location of the warehouse on the map and added another colored pin. Most of his men were baffled by the map and its pattern of pins. They couldn't see the pattern behind the angel of death's visitations. If they could, they would probably try to put a stop to them. And Parr wasn't eager for that to happen. Right now Doc Azrael was evening the odds in a criminal war that the city couldn't afford to lose. Most of his men couldn't puzzle out the vigilante's actions, but Corley wasn't most men. Say what you wanted about the young officer, he was smart, and he was eager. Normally Parr would take a dozen men like Corley, but these weren't normal times. Parr wasn't sure what would happen if Corley found the angel of death, and so that meant Parr had to keep the younger man in the dark, for now. The sergeant was distracted from his musings by a wrapping at his office window. Turning, he saw a single black feather floating toward the landing of the fire escape. One of Doc Azrael's wings wanted a meeting. Really sorry to hear about the computer crash. No. Of 2012. Yeah, I was reading about that on Twitter, doing a fun. You sound great though. Mm-hmm. And certainly welcome back. That was great. I really feel like in an odd way these feel connected heavily to the old movie serials in my mind. Maybe it's because of Parr's voice and the whole cop connection, but it feels very much of that classic detective, you know. I think it also has something to do with the intro. That was fun. Just sort of the quick recap that he gave at the start of the piece. Very fun. Thank you very much. Mm-hmm. Some other projects. And just got a few sights under his belt. So hopefully he'll have something a little more Doc Azrael related up and running sometimes. Mm-hmm. Or at least give you an opportunity to read the text version of the stories. It's interesting. We do get a lot of feedback from the episodes in which there are people who love flashpelt but refuse to listen to the audio part. And they're very small. Honestly, they're a minority compared to the listeners of the actual MP3 releases. Mm-hmm. But it's interesting that they're there and they're pretty adamant. They miss out on Jessica Man, I know. So they suck. [LAUGHTER] You don't care about them. You don't care about them. You don't care about them. Yeah, they're not going to complain because they're never going to hear it. Screw those guys. Yeah. Big talker now. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] Don't tell them they said it though. This is the one time they figured they'll give us a try. And then-- [LAUGHTER] Those jerks. You hear what they're calling us. Actually, you know, to be fair, they're probably not listening to the, like, they may not be listening to the fiction releases, but they may be listening to the actual cast. Yeah, maybe. Hey, you know what time it is? Mailman. Rich in the mob was talking about Flashcast52 and he said, "I hate to be contrarian, but I have to say Captain Kangaroo is the best. Mr. Rogers always scared me. Like one day you'd see a reporter on TV asking someone if they could believe just what had happened down the street as police whites swept over them. And the person would turn to the camera and say, "Fred Rogers, he always seemed like such a nice neighbor." So quiet. Yeah. And then he mentioned that he had no idea who Mr. Gressup was. He didn't know Mr. Gressup. I don't know Captain Kangaroo. Really? Really? Oh, my God. I've heard of him. I know of him, but I-- Never. You know, it's all very-- I've seen him. Maybe a brief glimpse. Eddie mentioned something that was a really interesting urban legend in response to that, which was that she had heard that Captain Kangaroo killed a man. Yeah, well, it was actually on the production rights to Mortal Kombat, the franchise of Mortal Kombat. But this was actually an urban legend. Probably springs out of the fact that there was a parody called something like Combat Kangaroo. That's pretty funny. The idea that he's, you know, Captain Kangaroo and he should at some point be in war to have gained his title, his rank. Yes. Yeah. Nuddy also mentioned that she had met him in person and that he scared her. Oh, really? Yeah, apparently. Yeah, he cut her all up. It was the worst experience of her life. It was the worst experience of her life. We got him an email from Savage Glenn. Oh, that's right. He says, "Greetings, Flashpump crew." And now we do have to apologize. I think we did last time that we didn't get the fliers to Savage Glenn before he's calling. Sorry. But he-- He says, "My apologies for the delay. First off, my condolences on having to say goodbye to your canine companion. Being a dog owner myself, I can imagine how difficult it must be. Best wishes." We appreciate that. You can-- Jessica Mays very-- Mmm. Yeah, she's not dealing with this very well. Anyway, on a lighter note, I would like to let you know that Savage Saturday night at Running Gag was a great success and good times are had by all. We had one conference room sized area filled with four games, the 24 gamers. That's pretty awesome. That's great, man. I'd love to attend that sort of thing. If they all had Flashpump, yeah, it would've been nice. There was a weird Wild West, Star Wars, Monster Hunters, and International, and my steampunk fantasy game running simultaneously. Cool. That sounds imping-- Yeah, sure. I'd almost be interested to just see what it was like to keep sampling what was going on at the different tables, not even just playing. Mm-hmm. What's going on over here in the West? Yeah. How's steampunk land going? Oh, they're going to be rolling for the next 15 minutes. Well, this thing sorted out. Maybe I'll just slip over to the Star Wars table, the Monster Hunter table. Anyway, that sounds fantastic. It was so good, Savage Glenn says, that he lost his voice, but it was all worth it. I was able to get two new gamers to learn the system and have fun doing so, which is always a bonus. That's great. Yeah. The more I look into the system, the more fantastic it sounds. Yeah. Yeah, oh, yeah. It sounds very interesting. Like the way it seems to have been adapted to so many other, like, anyway. And now, on to the next con, there are a few more coming up this year that I'll be attending. I'll keep you in the mob posted. Please do. And we'll definitely get some flyers out. We've got some local cons coming up to you that we're probably not going to be heavily involved with, but hopefully we'll be prodding around the edges out. Yeah. And of course, Fan Expo. Mm-hmm. Thanks again for the great shows. After all, some oddly shaped dice and have thrilling adventures. I love oddly shaped dice. That's great. That's thrilling adventures. Yes. So it works out. Thanks a lot, Glenn. Mm-hmm. Really appreciate the update. Finally, Scott Roche, our man Scott Roche, had some interesting comments to make. Now you may be aware that Scott is involved with Flying Island Press. They really say a wide range of genre works. You'll notice he was a contributor off the top of the show, a new subscriber from the donate button on the site. Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you to everybody who donates. There are some who donate anonymously, and for various reasons, they don't want their name mentioned on the show. I kind of wonder, are they afraid their boss listens and they don't want to get narked at work or whatever. I never really put understanding anonymous donations, but... But thank you. Yes. Thank you to everyone who chips in. And Scott had some ideas on breaking things down by cost, and I'm in no way saying that we're implementing this. I just kind of wanted to bring it up and discuss that a little bit to it over. Scott says, "This is just me shooting from the hip and is basing on what we do at Flying Island Press, and this is what I'd be willing to pay. $0.99 to $0.99 a month, me just giving you money while he's suggesting that this is us." Anyway. $0.99 to $0.99 a month, me just giving you money for what you're already doing. It's plainly worth it. I appreciate that. I agree. A buck $0.99 to $0.99 a month, a separate audio feed free of Chatter and Ads, and this may be per storyline like $0.99 for just the black haul stories or $0.299 for the Super Feed. There's also $0.299 a month for the ePubs of the episodes that are released that month. Okay. Hmm. I like the idea, but I would never go, I'll see if it's ePub and it's like all put together in a nice, maybe monthly release where it's X number of stories and sort of a magazine format almost. That might be interesting. I would never want to take away anything that we're already giving away for free. That's certainly something we don't want to take away giving away the stories every time it's up, for example, like posting a little on the website. But it would be interesting to have another distribution method like that. And then $0.499 to $0.599 for the total package, just everything, the audio feeds, the ePubs, everything. Yeah. The idea of separate audio feeds for the serials is interesting. I know I've talked about that with you before. Because people even have been mentioned that when they're coming into the show now, there's such a large backlog that they like to go through each thread individually. Now, I have to say, actually, this is an interesting thing, and I forget to put this in the notes, but I should have. Jim emailed me, Jim of relockradio.com, the Charlie to our Angels, was mentioning that if you do a little bit of intertube magic to our feeds on the blog, we should be able to plunk them directly into iTunes and have a per-thread feed. So we should be able to just do black collar, just do them all they're going to just do. That's super cool. It's very interesting, and I'm going to have to experiment around on the best way to use it. But I'm very pleased to see, and I appreciate him sending that in. I owe him an email. Thank you, Jim. I don't know how you are privy to so much information. I think it's like supernatural. Sure. So helpful in every aspect. He's such a giver, you know? Yeah. And I need to send him some email. But anyway, yeah, we really appreciate the info, Jim, and we'll definitely be getting per-feed stuff set up. I'm hoping that we can somehow work it out with iTunes to break it down by Flashcast and Flashpaul, and then have maybe one feed for each person that only updates when those ones come out, like a new Mulligan story, a new black collar story come out, and then have the mega feed, which is already kind of the feed that it is. And then we can trick Jeff into giving us, bother some spots every day, and we'll turn into a radio network. Anyway, I've said too much. Are you a dassy, old hulk? So I supposed to do some theme songs for some gentle fellows. I'm sure you can figure out which ones, considering we just had two segments without themes. Whoops. I'm hoping that Sir John Donohue and Duck Blue weren't specifically listening for their themes. Not those guys specifically. Yeah. Well, this is the next week. On the bright side, we got the Flashcast out relatively on time. Or in theory, people should be listening to this relatively on time. We may get stuck in some sort of star check the next generation-esque time loop in which we find ourselves. We'll have to ask for Rich's help. Yeah. We'll have to ask Worf what to do, and then do something else. Yeah. And then Nor is advice. Yeah. I don't think so. What do you think, Lieutenant? And that's a joke for the mob. You guys need to get on the Facebook page, anyway. And I feel pressure like I won't be able to produce. Oh, you're worried that you came up with such good themes for the other segments that I suspect that whatever you put out, it'll be quality, it wouldn't be a concern. I am not fishing, sir. I am a beard. Yeah. Anyways, so hopefully next week I'll have something for you, and I'll say so on the mob. So if you don't hear, I'm sorry. I like that you said that in a singsong voice. So next week. Yeah. Yeah. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song, so it'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. Yeah. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. Yeah. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. Yeah. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. Yeah. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. Yeah. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. It'll sound sweeter if I sing it in song. Yeah, I put it out on my blog, but I didn't actually post it in the blog, so you're silly, you should do that. Yeah. I should be paying more attention, but I get behind my blog. Yeah, you do, so I'll leave her at that. And she's awesome. Thank you, Nanny. But yeah, I haven't had a lot of time to do a lot of artwork. We've had a lot of stuff to do in RL, so we're getting down with shades lingo there in the totes. Yeah. Yeah. There's nine-year-old sleepover. Yeah. There's lots of high heels and -- Office moving and stuff. That's why Gigantor is down here for his manual labor. Oh, yeah, that's why he came here. Yeah. I rent out. Yeah. Yeah. At reasonable rates. Yeah, totally. It's just been busy, but at least we're, again, at least we're getting the episode. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We're accomplishing. Yeah, I'll have another scoot of co-op sometime soon, and, you know, I'm really excited for this contest to be chosen. When's the date for it, anyway? I haven't chosen a date because it was kind of in this slow trickle, and I thought maybe it would encourage people more by seeing them. Yeah. I do want to mention it again on Monday and mention the prize, because I didn't really hog it so much other than in the thread of, like, our herons first. Yeah, so whoever wins, I'm going to draw a picture of them. I'm going to make them into- I'm not going to necessarily, you know, try to draw them, but make a version of them. Let's just- Ami tried to get- no, Ami tried to get by with a picture of just her laptop. Oh. Just playing flashpelt. Yeah. But that's not enough. I just- Yeah. It has to be you and your- Listening. Yeah. I need to see your goatee. Yes. Ami, where's the goatee? Come on. Yeah, where's your- She gets away with lipsticks soon. Yeah. Yeah. She gets fancy for us. It's a lipstick or goatee. Yeah. Yeah. Or lipstick and goatee. Yeah. We don't judge. We're not pretty. Yeah. Lipstick and goatee. Whatever. But I need to know what you look like if I'm going to draw you, right? Exactly. It's a deal. Yeah. Background plot. Okay. I just had a couple of quick things I wanted to discuss. Mulligan Smith and the Endangered Granny were two of the three in. She doesn't seem so endangered so far, she seems like- And the Foxy Granny. A cougar. Yeah. Well, we'll see. We'll see. Maybe there's more danger than there's more. And Mulligan. Okay. Well, she's being beaten by her son. Apparently. Yeah. This is definitely one of those stories that I had an idea and ended up building a three parter around where I thought maybe a one parter would go at first. But I was really pleased. Things just kept cropping up. It bloomed into this much deeper, longer piece than I thought it was going to be. Didn't it happen like in the middle of the night? Something happened where maybe when you were writing it, you just got so into it, you were just like- No, it was definitely- I was kind of half falling asleep and then I started- Yeah. I started laughing about it because I was like, this would be funny. Oh, well this would be even funnier. And then I started jotting notes down on the iPad and it just kept getting bigger and bigger as I was going. Jeez. I can't even like think of half of the stuff I did today. And you can write whole stories and they sound so good. It's just crazy talk. That's ridiculous. Uh, some of the music I've been listening to as I've been trying to touch on the music lately. A lot of the Yishulak home soundtrack from like the BBC series, that's a big thanks to Buffalo Jello for recommending that. Who, I thought the person who composed that music also did something that you were listening to. Huh, it may have been, was it the same folks who did Donton Abbey or something? Donton Abbey. Donton Abbey. Donton Donton Donton. No, cause that was so much like Michael Neumann. It's so piano like, yeah, he does it on purpose. Downtown Abbey? It's the big brother in him. I don't know. The Donton Abbey, I thought it was like Michael Neumann or something, the guy who did the piano. Oh no, that was Michael Neumann did the Ravenous soundtrack with Damon Alburn, which I've been listening to a lot lately, but I'm always listening to that when I'm doing black hole stuff. Yeah, people should just listen to that just for, because it's so interesting. Yeah, it's a fun little movie, but the soundtrack is fantastic. I've been listening to a lot of, actually speaking of black hole music, I've been listening to a lot of the punch brothers as well. I've been listening to a lot of Sherlock soundtrack while they're doing Mulligan. I don't know, it's not really a detective detective overlap on purpose. It was just kind of coincidental, but I've been listening to a lot of punch brothers while doing black hole, because it's very much of that, they're sort of a, what would you call them, a rustic kind of banjo band? Was that when you were looking for old-timey music? Well, yes, they did come out of a quest for old-timey music, but they are a modern banjo. Just violin and banjo, and actually, just for me, why don't you place a little super bass key and make the band sound better and make your baby cuter, make yourself taste sweeter. Oh, boy! Our bass key makes your heart beat value, it seems softer, makes the back room hollow. But thoughts are in good thoughts, boys, have I ever told you about the dynamite? Punch Brothers, is their name again? Yeah, Punch Brothers. They've done some modern covers and some other pieces, but it's really, the blue grassy or kind of, I don't know, it just definitely strikes a chord of the music that my grandparents would play in their living room. And especially when I'm writing black hole, you know, it's right up the black hole alley, yeah. Anyway, okay, well, I think that about Ryan wraps it up, but I actually wanted to cover one more segment. Questions to and from Dragantor. So we asked the mob if they had any questions for Dragantor while he was here, and Nutty asked, "Who wins in a fight, yet eat your space ninjas?" In movies and comics, ninjas as a whole, like as a group, always seem to fail, so that's kind of a point against somebody, but if you send in one single ninja, they always seem to succeed. Yeah. So the plural is important. So the plural is important. But then there's space ninjas, and they got that 360 degree environment they can fight in. You know, like coming from all angles. Okay. This is your gravity. So I suppose it depends on where the fight is taking place. Yes, I would. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas the Yetis kind of got to give them some points because they're closely related to Gigantor's. And I know how feisty those bastards are. Now, Rich, the time traveler threw in asking if the Yetis may in fact be pirates, and if so, what advantage that might confirm upon them? Hmm. I think that would maybe even things up with the space aspect of the ninjas that they still currently have. Now after questioning after the Yetis might have weapons, Rich implied that space ninjas might in fact have lightsabers? Is that true or? If the space ninjas get lightsabers, then I, sorry, but the Yetis are gonna lose it. Yeah. I suppose so. Once once lightsabers are in there, it's kind of the game over, man. That's the game over, man. So this episode of Deadliest Warrior goes to lightsaber wielding space ninjas. Okay. Well, I'm given to the lightsaber against the Yeti pirate, pirate Yetis. Yes. Okay. And now not to put you on the spot, but you've seen the production now. You've seen the, you've seen us do both episodes of the fiction and the flashbacks. You've sat on an episode now. Any questions or comments? Anything you want to tell the mob that they might be surprised to hear? Well, the one thing I will say is the time that you guys spend like on this side of the sound waves per se, the amount of time you guys have dedicated to the mob, it's lots. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's. Well, the recording too though, I think. Yeah. Yes. Sometimes it doesn't come across how long it takes. Not to complain. We enjoy doing it. We love doing it and we're happy to do it. But we stopped and started several times. The midgets. And behind the scenes. I mean, the children, not the Peter Dinklages. Yeah. That's horrible. But the Winter Wars. Don't make fun of Tyrion. He can come here and live as one of our children. Yeah. That's horrible. Oh, that's pretty. I want Peter Dinklages in a diaper in my house. Actually, that's really funny. I'm saying I don't discriminate between midgets. The co-worker line has been bringing in the, the 30 Rock episodes and Peter Dinklages was in one of them and he's dating Tina Fey, but she kept looking at him like a little, she kept mistaking him with a little boy. So, we're like, "No, I can't get past this." Oh, that's so horrible and awesome. Oh, Peter Dinklages is awesome. He is. Well, let's say our thank yous to Jim who rises in the East and sets in the West. Thank you, Jim. We will talk. Thanks for hosting WikidowFlashbop.com and Flashbop.com and coming to us with the solutions to make the magic happen. Indeed, Sam. Enjoy the show. Tell a friend. Really enjoy the show? We got a donate button on the site. 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Thanks. ♫ ♫ The sea of my arms is stumbled in ♫ ♫ Feelings is settled ♫ ♫ I live with a number left ♫ ♫ Little lights cloud will never wake the floor ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Are white holes in the water ♫ ♫ I live with a number left ♫ ♫ Little lights cloud will never wake the floor ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Are white holes in the water ♫ ♫ I live with a number left ♫ ♫ Little lights cloud will never wake the floor ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Never awake the floor ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Are white holes in the water ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Are white holes in the water ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Are white holes in the water ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Are white holes in the water ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Are white holes in the water ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Are white holes in the water ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Are white holes in the water ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Are white holes in the water ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ Not where the black holes come from ♫ ♫ ♫ Come up to meet ya ♫ ♫ Tell ya I'm sorry ♫ ♫ You don't know how lovely you are ♫ ♫ I had to find you ♫ ♫ Tell you I need you ♫ ♫ Tell you I said you apart ♫ ♫ Tell me secrets ♫ ♫ Ask me questions ♫ ♫ Let's go back to the start ♫ ♫ Running circles ♫ ♫ Coming up tails ♫ ♫ Hands on the sides apart ♫ ♫ Nobody said it was easy ♫ ♫ Oh, it's such a shame for us to hide ♫ ♫ Oh, what you said ♫ ♫ It was easy ♫ ♫ No one ever said it would be as hard ♫ ♫ Oh, we're taking back to the start ♫ ♫ ♫ I was just guessing ♫ ♫ At numbers and figures ♫ ♫ Pulling up eyes all apart ♫ ♫ Questions of science ♫ ♫ Science and progress ♫ ♫ Do not speak loud as my heart ♫ ♫ Tell me you love me ♫ ♫ Come back and haunt me ♫ ♫ Oh, and I rush to the start ♫ ♫ Running circles ♫ ♫ Chasing tails ♫ ♫ Coming back as we are ♫ ♫ Nobody said it was easy ♫ ♫ Oh, it's such a shame for us to part ♫ ♫ Nobody said it was easy ♫ ♫ No one ever said it would be so hard ♫ ♫ I'm going back to the start ♫ ♫ ♫ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♫ ♫ ♫ Oh, oh, oh, oh ♫ (gentle music)