Prepare yourself for Thor, crabs, missing f-bombs, rubber monster suits, and Will Coffin.
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FC008 - Rubber Suits
[Music] Hello and welcome to Flashcast Episode 8. Prepare yourself for Thor, Krabs, Missing F-Bombs, Rubber Monster Suits, and Will Coffin. [Music] Tonight, we have myself, Opoponax, Illustrator and Narrator, Jessica May, Hello, Audio Engineer and Emergency Psychologist, and JRD. Hello. Word Flinger. So guess what I saw? What? I saw the new trailer for Thor. Thor? The second trailer. There was a previous trailer for Thor. Yeah, okay. Comes from... I don't know. As good? No, I know who Thor is. I just didn't know they were making a Thor movie. Yes, thank you very much. So they're making a Thor movie, I see. Yeah, well it's part of the Avengers franchise, right? Okay. Like they're doing the whole Hulk, whatever, whatever Iron Man. Wait, I have a question about that. Sure. First, I want to know Edward Norton's not going to be in the Hulk? No, they've replaced Edward Norton with a guy who's not such a pain in the butt to work with. So it was up to the studio, it wasn't Edward Norton. My understanding is that it was essentially the studio's decision here. How is he difficult? Edward Norton is actually, he has a huge history of being a pain in the butt when it comes to the films he works on. Well, I'm going to get my Tony's mixed up, but Tony K, right? The guy who did American History X? Is that right? Okay. You following me? Edward Norton, American History X? No, I know he was in the director. I just don't know who the director was. Right, but whoever the director was. Tony K? I believe it was Tony K. Edward decided he was going to re-edit the film after they were done, and I believe the director actually wanted to take his name off it and put the Alan Smithy moniker on. But he was denied the opportunity, and they got in a big fight in the variety or whatever. So the edit that you generally see is Edward Norton? No, I think Tony K actually won the fight in the end. Oh, that's nice. But it cost him a lot of popularity in Hollywood. Anyway, my point in seeing Thor though. Wait, my second question. Yeah, sorry. Who plays Thor? Some guy. I don't know. I know he's been in other stuff, but I have no idea who he is, and he looks the part. You're not prepared for this podcast. Do you know who also is in that film though? No. Natalie Portman. Okay. Doesn't that seem kind of weird? Doesn't she seem like she's kind of moved out of? Like, don't you think she would have learned her lesson with Star Wars? Maybe there's something about the part that made her completely, I don't know. I bet she knows it's going to be a big thing. That's all. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. It doesn't really seem to be Natalie Portman's, like her motivation, no? I think there is a point where she gets a large enough stack of bills pushed in front of her, and she goes, "Well, listen, I like to do artistic work, but I'm not going to be dumb." Plus, who knows? She could be an Avengers fan. Yeah, maybe. You never know. It just seems weird to go from Black Swan to the Thor maybe. Maybe she did it years before. You know what though? I say that, but at the same time, Anthony Hopkins is in that film. So maybe she was like, "Screw it. I'll work with Anthony Hopkins. I don't care if he has to play Odin with a funny helmet." Yeah. What do we know? Who does he play? Odin with a funny helmet. Oh, Odin with funny helmet. Of course. Look at the eye. His eye, not Odin's eye. Well, I guess it would be the same, wouldn't it? Yeah, but okay. Here's my question though. I'm sort of the reason I brought up the whole Thor situation. Do you consider Thor, Marvel Thor, not like Thor the classic God to be fan fiction? Do you think that's technically classified as fan fiction? Because it's not like he's actually in any way representative of the original Thor. Like he's kind of goofy and has all these extra superpowers. Are you asking me in the same sense that like is Pokemon fanfic, fanfic? Whereas is like a story about a legend actually a new story. Is that a superhero or is it just fanfic of a God? I guess what's the difference between cutting a story and going? I'm going to make a like a new story about, okay, let's use King Arthur as an example. There's a lot of variants on King Arthur's story, right? What's the difference between being a guy writing a stupid story about King Arthur? You know, I don't know, doing whatever with things a lot. And creating Spider-Man. I'm not calling Stan Lee some sort of plagiarist. No, no, no, I'm saying like what's the difference between writing some silly story about Arthur and creating your new superhero? Yeah, but here's the difference. There's no, you don't write Spider-Man and call it like, like he's not based on some mythical person. It's not like he's a slightly altered Hercules or something. But Thor is basically a character from ancient times with a very specific mythology about him that they kind of went. He named after him, like it seems quite obvious. Yeah, he's obviously Thor the Thunder God or whatever. And he's got the whole Loki situation. Like all of these things are aspects out of whatever, but they were just kind of like, they didn't say we have some grand narrative to tell about Thor. They were like, you know what would be cool? Due to the hammer. I don't know, I don't know. It's a great question. Stan Lee, if you're out there and you're listening, give us a call. That's probably totally unfair though, because I really have no idea who brought Thor into the Marvel Universe. It really seems like a Jack Kirby thing. I really picture Thor in sort of a Kirby style. What else do he do? Jack Kirby? Yeah, I recognize a name. He was hugely influential at Marvel. We're together with Stan Lee to make Fantastic Four. I don't know. I think a large, if not all of the Hulk was his work. He's basically the guy who draws fingers really meaty. He's usually got like meaty face dudes with meaty fingers. Okay. Anyway. The thing. Yeah, very much so. Cool. Okay, so also while we're discussing Filmic Pulp, because I do consider Thor Pulpy. I read the other day. Did you guys notice my tweet about Rucker Hour and Dario Argento? No, no. I hope that I'm pronouncing all those names correctly. But Rucker Hour, who you would recognize but probably not know, he's the main android from Blade Runner. And he was in Lady Hawk. Yes, yes, he was in Lady Hawk. Perfect. Nope. Uh, do you remember Blade Runner? Nope. Anyway, he's a dude who acts. He's kind of B-tier. Like, I love him, but he's not like he's one of those, I believe he's from Germany originally, so he never quite integrated perfectly. But it was announced that he's going to be in a new Dario Argento film, who's an Italian director. He did Suspiria, which I'm probably. Anyway, he did a bunch of films. And actually, he also worked with, supposedly he worked with George Romero on Dawn of the Dead. I don't know what that partnership was like or what he did, but I do know that you remember, you remember the one I showed you where there's a, there's a scene where it's a zombie fighting a shark. Oh, I was just going to say, is that the zombie shark one? Yeah. Uh, that was supposed to be the sequel to the film they released in Italy called Zombie, which was actually Dawn of the Dead. Because I guess because of his involvement, there was some Italian film rights, where they could make a sequel and call it a sequel. Anyway, my point though, and the part where you guys start getting excited about this, is that Dario Argento, Dario Argento, is making a Dracula film. With Huerta Hauer? As Van Helsing. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I guess he's probably getting older. But, to make that even better, it's in 3D. Oh, weird. Yeah, have they listed anybody else who's in the film? Because I thought I heard it. Who's Dracula? Yeah. I have no idea, frankly. This was the extent of what I had read. I think it's an A-list person. Yeah. Like, help it a what? Yeah. That's exciting. I mean, we could Google it, but that wouldn't, okay, you guys talk. Discuss them amongst yourselves. Dario Argento, A. Dario. Reminds me of Argento cheese. He did a film? No, that's Argento. [laughter] He did a film with his daughter, but, like, actually, Stendall's Syndrome or whatever. The thing I posted about today on my blog? Fine Art, The Pier of Fine Art. He did a movie called The Stendall's Syndrome, with his daughter in the lead. But the concept is that there's this criminal dude who, like, uses the syndrome to paralyze this lady, and then he has his way with her. And that seemed like a weird thing to direct your daughter doing. Like, I understand, you know, it's professional, whatever, but... She seemed perfect for the role? Oh... Oh, yikes. We are going to get so much hate mail from that guy. He's a fan of the show. Yeah. Oh, that looks awesome. I'm so excited about... Huh. Yeah, I don't think it was the movie that I was thinking of. There's another vampire coming out. Another vampire by the way, coming out with an A-lister. But I don't believe it's Dario Argento's. Dracula 3D. Is it actually called Dracula 3D? Uh, I believe that's just probably the working title. Please, please, God. Well, so, uh, final bit of motion picture pulp. We watched, uh, the second pilot for Star Trek. The other day. The original series. Yes. Oh, yeah, that's right. The second pilot? See, my understanding is that the original pilot involved a different Captain entirely, Captain Pike. Really? And sorry, what's her name now? I feel like a bad Trek fan for not remembering. Uh... Ronberry's wife. Marge. Margery. Anyway, she was, like, number one. She was Spock. Oh, yeah. Essentially, and Spock was Vulcan, but he had emotions and he, like, laughed all the time and stuff. And, uh... That's weird. It's a crazy talk. They brought it to the studio and the studio was like, "What the crap are you selling?" So, they went back and they recut everything. Like, they redid it with the crew that we're more familiar with. The guy who was Captain Pike originally stepped off and Kurt came on. And then we watched, they redid the pilot, which was the episode we watched. I noticed they didn't have a hoorah in that one. Yeah, a hoorah. Checkout comes, like, way later in the series. Yeah, there's a blonde chick. It's funny that you mentioned that a hoorah was missing, but did you notice Bones was missing? 'Cause he's the guy who really... You know what? I did notice Bones was missing, too. There was this crazy, grumpy, crotchety old... Well, you know what? As I say, crazy, grumpy, crotchety old. That also describes McCoy too. He wasn't, yeah. But yeah, then they ended up actually recutting the first original pilot to make another episode called The Cage. It was actually maybe two episodes. But they used the footage from the original, like, the original pilot, and then they cut it around Kirk and Bones and Spock, like, having this inquest into what went terribly wrong. Like, I think they just cut off the ending where they were successfully escaping or whatever, and they were like... Let's go back there. What happened? Yeah. Remember when? Yeah. So, anyway... 'Cause they had extra footage, like, 'cause that's usually... Well, they seriously... Like, they were like, "Well, footage didn't look too shabby. We'll put some money into that. Let's just reuse just for an episode or whatever." Fantastic. I know how that is. I reuse old material all the time. Anyway, the kids seem to enjoy it. It was fun going back and looking into it. I think we're gonna continue through the series, so... It'll be fun. I can't wait for the gore episode. I can't wait for them to see that. It'll be so much fun. Okay. I think this might be a good time to move into... The audio. For an accident. Of hope. So, sometimes when it's late and I'm editing... The episodes... Sometimes... I miss an editor too. There'll be a repeat of a word, let's say, that a Pope and Acts, you know, repeats, because she hasn't said it in a way that she likes. So, she says it again, and so I'm supposed to take it with the first. You leave the second and sometimes I leave it, which usually is not a huge deal. Somebody listens afterwards, usually catches it, and then we put it up and everything's perfect. I don't think we... Not to whatever, but I don't think you've really missed one, maybe once before. Yes. But this was easily... Like, not to make it sound like, "Oh my God, what did you do?" Well, it seems like I took the worst opportunity in the world. Like, there's Bunny, right? And Wilkopfen, who swears. The first time ever that we're using the swears, and I'm supposed to bleep them. And we put it up, right, with like exposed swears. There was two F-words and an S-word and an A. Yeah. Yeah. That was terrible, and we all missed it. That's all right. It's just, I guess... Y'all are just so used to hearing me cuss like that. 'Cause it just seems like my mom. You know who didn't miss it? Friend of the show Ray. Friend of the show Ray. That's true. Which is fantastic. And so we ended up doing the edits, and then we had to go quickly out to my mom's for supper. And then, fortunately for us, Ray was gonna check it for us when we went. Triple check. Yeah, make sure everything was fine. Which made me feel so much better, and I was able to eat knowing that, you know, he would show us where we messed up, if so. That same meal, kind of the reason that this flashcast is coming out on a Tuesday instead of the Sunday. Not that it's a big deal, 'cause I kind of, like I mentioned on the site, I kind of think of flashcast as more we'll do it when we have enough content, as opposed to a day that... Or when we have time. Yeah. Considering we have such little time these days. With everything that we do for you. Anyway, speaking of Ray, he made a comment on, I believe it was The Face book a little while earlier, about how it seems like Will Coffin is kind of a mix of mulligan and black hole put together. Which you initially didn't like that when you first heard that. But I don't want that. This is actually a topic that, can we come back to this later in the show? 'Cause I think we have some fantastic feedback near the in the mailbag, which we'll get right to the heart of this. Okay, forget about that crap. So... Yeah, nothing else besides my huge edit problems. So if anybody heard that, all those F's and A's, if you hadn't heard it before, then I'm sorry that this is the first place for you to hear it. You've taken somebody's uh... Virginity away. Ear, virgin. My virgin ears! Okay, I think this is a good point to move into... the art of narration. Okay, um, so I just started doing Will Coffin now. And it's taken a little bit to really kind of get into the character, but he's not hard to read for. He doesn't have any weird stylings in the way he speaks. I don't have a picture for him yet, and I gotta get on that. Well, I did notice today in your off moments that you were sketching out attempts, although they ended up all being basically Frenchman. Yes, like a little frog like Frenchman. And it, I wanted to ask, out of all of the characters that we do, or even some of the one shots that we've done, which do you think you'd most like to turn into a full form comic? Because I know you have interests sort of in that format or web comic. Joe Monk. Yeah. Yeah, strangely enough, Joe Monk. Do you, is it just because... Is it the cartoony vibe? Yes, it is. It's, I'm in crabs. Yeah, I love drawing crabs, no. No, I really don't have a thing for crabs at all. I don't have crabs. That's what she's trying to say. Yes. Um, I don't even know what else it's going to say. Joe Monk, I think, would be the most fun to make into a, into a comic in and of itself. I think it would be the most sustainable as well. I, as maybe as a gag comic, I could totally see that, but the comic, or the character that I would like to most see as a comic long form, actually probably Blackhall. Because I think you could do some really nice like moody work there. Like wilderness shots and stuff. Yeah. I could picture an art style, but I couldn't picture myself doing that. Yeah. Well, isn't it just a matter of practice to come in and get? No. Yep. Yeah, also new crabs. Um, yeah, I don't know. Uh, I, I would, that frightens you. Yeah. Taking on something that you don't know how to. Yeah. Because honestly, I can totally picture it in like a watercolor. Mm, yeah, I could see that. Really just like watercolor. That'd be very pretty. I would picture black and white hard lines. I would like black and white sort of, actually from Helm. You read that Alan Moore? I have seen the movie. The movie. Or, oh, you've seen the interior. We have seen the movie together, I know that. Anyway, in that style, that kind of black and white like hard, whatever. Lots of shadows. Huh. So, uh, anything else you wanted to cover? No. Okay, well then, I think this is a good time to move in to. Back from what? So, uh, introduce a new character. Who? Will. Will. You're coughing. Well, I guess suppose a number of new characters, because we will be seeing Fatty and Wilkoffin and, uh, Bunny, obviously. And, um, what's her name there? His wife. Sandra. Sandra. That's- Oh, absolutely. Sandy. His dead wife. Yes. Not- His murderous dead. Does this not seem like I have set up the worst, like, uh, rip off of Three's Company ever? Yeah, right. An alcoholic, an urban shaman, and a dead lady. Actually, kind of sounds like a joke. An alcoholic, an urban shaman, and a dead lady walking to a bar. Ouch. Um. Yeah, it was- it was fun. It was kind of nerve-wracking to move away from the week before it was kind of heavy with collective detective stuff, and just sort of- I think I mentioned this last flash cast. Just feeling like I needed to be putting a little more worth in the stories, but it was kind of fun to move into something a little- I wouldn't say goofier, but less weighty. I love that you think dead ladies and ghosts with half their face off. That's less weighty. That's a little bit more goofy. Yeah. Well, to be fair, I kind of put the cherry on the top of that little situation with last night's, uh, Mulligan story. Like, that was pretty much just all fun. There was nobody had serious danger at any point in the story. Nobody missing half a face. I always love Mulligan with kids. Yeah, I try to avoid it, but it's kind of an easy, cute to whatever, and honestly, if I had put any other character in there, they were like, "It's a clone." No one would have bought it, so. Yes, buying it is half the battle. Yeah. Absolutely. But yes, new Will Coffin. You know, when I picture Will Coffin, I can't help but picture, yes, Lance Henriksen in Millennium. I wouldn't say that he looks like Lance Henriksen, except that I would say he has sort of, in my mind, at least, a similar lined kind of longer face. But yeah, that's totally the image of my head. See, because I love Lance Henriksen, but I think of him as either Bishop or the dad from a pumpkin head. What about near dark? Yeah, well, near dark and pumpkin head, he's kind of this flip-size of the same coin in a way. No, that's not really true. Yeah, you'd lie. You want to see how that felt just a lie for me. No, I was trying. Yeah, trying to lie it on. Save it worked. It didn't feel very good. It was a lie. As he said, he confessed to it just after. No, that's because you're good natured. That's why I write stories about people missing half their face. That's so good. That's so good. Let's move into the final and probably the section I'm most excited about today. Okay, we're going to start with a... So a bunch of people called. Yeah, but I'd like to actually start with a written email. Oh, that's cool. So we've got a ill response from the three-day fish. So what is with that? Why doesn't he leave an audio comment? Because this is the second email. People aren't comfortable with it. Plus, you don't really get a second go. But that's true. I don't know if I should reveal this. But somebody has called in before and left and kind of made a little mistake. And I edited and made it sound very nice. So if you do ever have a little flub, then don't worry. Because I'll make it nice and perfect. We'll make it look good. Yeah, she makes you sparkle. Shine you up real nice. Hey, Jaredie. The Bunny Davis episode caught me by surprise. This video seems wholly different from your other story arcs. At the end of the story, I felt confident tied in all the story arcs very well. I remember you mentioning that all of these stories happened in the same universe in a Flashcast episode. And now I sense that the universe were in alignment, so to speak. Or the universe is more in alignment. That's great. Yes, in short, I enjoyed the new story and I'm excited to hear more. I also couldn't help but smile at the Carwick reference. No, he actually does ask a question in the second half, but I wanted to pause here. I'm glad somebody caught the little Carwick throughout there. And that must be so fun. Being able to include things and know that people will actually-- Oh, it's satisfying. I'm kind of surprised. I'm kind of surprised Blackhall hasn't come up with it. Because you think, you know, ancient Spider-God, that's right up his eye. I actually... How much to reveal without... Oh, what does he do? There's a very specific, very close relation between the climax of the Blackhall story and Carwick. Oh, dear. So, I'm not going to give away any one of that, but-- If anyone couldn't defeat a Spider-God, it would be Blackhall. Well, I don't know, because Blackhall is ended. Blackhall is in the past and I remember the very first Carwick episode being downtown couple on a sidewalk, which doesn't really denote Blackhall's timeline. I do have one question, though. Oh, no, yeah. Just let it go. In your early flashpelps, you would occasionally throw in a completely unrelated story. Stories like Efentide, were a nice mix in amongst all the story arcs. There's been an noticeable drop in these kinds of stories, and I'm wondering why that is. Can I guess? Yeah, go for it. Uh, you don't have a bunch of old notebooks that you can go back through for story ideas. Um, that's part of it. Can I make it guess? Or, is it because you have story ideas that don't necessarily fit in the the kind of boxes that you have for your characters? Okay, I'll answer that because whatever, but you take your guess to first. You don't have enough time to write. Uh, no, it's actually more that when I come up with a story, like, a story that I might have written independently as a little, like, chiller piece before. I'll maybe slip into a Blackhall or another idiom that I've already established. And then the truth is that when I started, I didn't have that many established characters. I just kind of went... Okay, you know what, I need a detective archetype. Let's do this. And, you know, Mulligan started as a one-shot. I don't know if you recall. He was just a scrap bit of fiction. I essentially wrote directly into the blog one day. And it was more about the story idea. It was more around the mob boss that he was meeting on that occasion. And it was only afterwards that I was like, "Well, I like the name Mulligan Smith. I like this concept." And I kind of ran with it further. Um, a good example is... I don't know if you recall too long ago. I did a story where Blackhall is maybe, or maybe not having hallucinations due to shrooms. And he talks to these ghost children and tells them a story. Yep. That actually originally started as something that was entirely unrelated to Blackhall. And then I kind of realized, "Oh, this would make a good Blackhall story." You know, sort of add to the backlog. That's a pregnant poly, right? Yes. A stone baby. Yes. Although that may be a kind of spoiler for that episode, so I hope we didn't just ruin something. I don't really remember. Anyway, it doesn't matter. So, uh, the thing is, though, I do like to throw the one shots in. Um, later this week, I'll probably be doing a story on Friday that's unrelated. The other thing is that there's... I don't know if we've mentioned this in the Flashcast. There's always that... The Forbidden episode. The Band episode. Which was a one shot. And ever since that one shot, I've forgotten kind of, especially about the thriller stories. Got a little more tender in my titties. Oh. Yeah. The Band episode. Do you remember the Band episode? You're the one who banned it while you two. Oh, yeah. It was a story. It was a story. Yeah. I totally... I totally remember that it was... Yes. Oh, God. Yeah. The guy who got his window smashed in by a ball and he had to go get it or get mad at people. Yep. And he left something behind. Yep. Anyway. So, since then... Oh, God. It hasn't been intentional. I've just gotten a little bit off track with doing the singles. But I will make an attempt to return. I do find... Well, the other aspect is that I've come up with... We've been introducing a lot of new characters lately. Like there was Harm Carter came into it. And then... Collective. Collective detective showed up. And we'll coffin now. And so those tend to lend themselves more to three-part introductory pieces or with the collective detective, it was more just kind of doing a number in a short order. And what number are we at right now? 133 is our next time? The next one will be 133 yet. I remember when you were saying maybe we'll quit at 100. And you've come out with three new... like serious sense. Yeah, but... That's like a new one every time. Yeah, we tell you just to encourage us to get 100 because it's so hard to do with our life. I know this was just supposed to be a test initially to see what would happen if we did a year of fiction three times a week ago. We haven't got to a year yet. No, I know. But I know you were saying, oh maybe 100's enough. Maybe we'll quit there. You guys have a different memory of 100 is enough than I do because I never seriously was like... I one day floated. I was like, man, maybe we'll stop at 100. But I was joking. You made it seem like it was something that you had contemplated. Yeah. But I was just noting like how cool it is that... Because it's hard. It's hard guys. New guys sense. Don't wait for me to call it in the Whitman. Again? Tonight? Hi, this is Warren. I'm in the Orlando area. And I'm having trouble getting on their site for a meeting finder. I'm just wondering if you could tell me where there's a meeting tonight. Around... Oh, Monty Springs. Part of Orlando. Who's that meeting in the past? So I just wanted to try to see if it's still there and what time it is. Thanks a lot. Bye. See, it almost makes me feel bad to play that. Because, you know, he's obviously just trying to keep his stuff together. And he's just needing to catch a meeting. But instead, he reaches our voicemail. I want to call him and be like, "I'm sorry, you can talk to me." Part of me is still wondering if it's some sort of like spamback kind of, you know, like, "Oh yeah, looking for nice..." Remember the first one? The first one was about like a sex static. It was gold. Yeah. But that's just sex static. Maybe that's the same. Maybe dudes looking for that kind of meeting. Yeah, well, they're all church related too. Yeah, but they're all in wildly different places, it seems like. Because I thought the first one was like in Seattle or something. I bet you it's run through some kind of program and they have a call center. Hey guys, this is Jeff calling, Jeff from Bothers and Things in North Carolina. And I just finished Flashcast number seven. And a couple of things I decided to call while everything was first on my mind, rather than waiting, bang out an email and forget half of what I was going to say. So anyway, first of all, if you guys ever make another attempt to interview a rent boy and you need street cred, that's easy. With JRT's permission, I'll just put you on the website as our official Canuck car despondent. And second, I found it interesting, your discussion about the virtual child brothel situation. I will tell you what I do know, because I do follow constitutional rulings and laws and things here in the States. In 2007, the Ohio Supreme Court had a very similar, or had something like this come before the court. And in a nutshell, they ruled that if you take a real child, and an image of an actual kid, and you somehow digitally enhance that, to make them appear to be in an unsavory or pornographic situation, then that is illegal. However, if you create a digital version, or a digital child, or person of any age from scratch, and just make that person out of your imagination, it doesn't really matter what position you put that person, or that digital person in, then that is protected into the First Amendment, and that is legal. Now, is it morally right? I don't think so. Is it cool? I don't think so. But in the United States, anyway, unless that ruling has been challenged, and overturned by the Supreme Court, which I don't believe it has, I think it still holds. So I think that virtual brothel was probably legal, and it might fall in the jurisdiction of, you know, what the sysadmin of that site deems to be a appropriate material, and isn't a appropriate material. Anyway, I just thought I would chime in on that. And that's it. Great shows last week. I especially like the second collective detective, and I'm looking forward to this week's run as well. So you guys stay warm up there, and I'll talk to you soon. So that's Jeff, one sharp cookie. Yeah, and I think what he's saying is fake child porn is good. Yeah, I think that's what he was going for. Okay, that was a joke. No, not at all. That's pretty harsh, that's pretty harsh. He's not going to want to call it anymore. Yeah, I'm, well, hey, I would absolutely make another stab at locating a rent boy. I just need, I think, a little warmer weather. But, I love the idea of you, is there connect correspondence? Winey dog, why get wine? Yeah, so, I mean, slap me up on your website, just whatever you want to call me. Well, no, that's actually probably a little bit more or less. If you need a shirtless picture, I can provide myself. That would give him more street cred. He doesn't like this idea. Well, you can see his grimace. I do have to admit though, I was feeling kind of like I'm glad he called in because I was feeling a little weird. I was wondering if I had left my duty undone. About the, yeah. It's nice to hear that there is really, even larger than a complaint, wouldn't have accomplished anything. Hey, kids, this is wood or Eric. Others and things. And I just finished and listened to Bunny's cousin. And my suggestion about editing out the cusses. And this is like a personal thing. I mean, like if I hear a beep, it just scatters my brain, I guess maybe from, I think it actually comes from when I work in the prison. If I hear a beep, I just, my mind just goes blank and goes off track. So I've always thought if somebody is going to edit out cussing, you should just drop the sound. Yeah, that's my suggestion because the beeps throw me off. It's, and I think any sound throws it off. So I think just, you know, just dump the sound at that point instead of a sound over it. I hope you understand what I mean. Hey, thanks, I love you guys. Hope you're enjoying my stuff there. Bye. I think that was so cool that Eric called. And yeah, it's fantastic. It's because I think it's slightly out of his comfort zone to call us. So I think that was really, really nice. Yeah, it was really nice. I like that. And I think it's a really good suggestion, except for, I think that we want it to be jarring with Bunny, right? Like we want it to sound nasty. Yeah, well, I was thinking what I might do is do a one-parter because I didn't want to change the methodology in the same story arc and then try it out once on a one-parter because I don't know if anybody's noticed, but Bunny is going to be pretty consistent through the Wilcoff and Tails. So I thought that might be fun because I, you know, I think that that can be just as effective, dropping it out, but I didn't want to change up how the tone was between stories. That, and I think I have to quiet it down a bit. I found my beeping kind of loud, and I think that's probably pretty jarring too. I think if I have a little quieter. I don't want to be given Eric flashbacks to his prison days, though. Yeah. Well, no, not to make it sound like he was-- His prison day. He was not-- And the now-- And the now, brother A. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah, he really does. Mm-hmm. It's like family. Anyways, thanks for calling Eric. Yeah, huge thanks to both Jeff and Eric for calling in. Yeah, both Jeff. And in case I didn't mention it to a three-day fish. That guy, although he always signs his communications to me, really almost like, "Hold on, let me find it." Always listening. Or when he likes. [laughter] Okay. [laughter] I'm right behind you. [laughter] Uh, so we have one final call from a good friend to the site and podcast. Barry. Hey, this is Barry from Mr. Blog. I'll call him back in so that you can hone your impression of me a little bit more, which I really did appreciate. Uh, looks funny. Um, I'm actually calling him because-- Which is, I appreciate everything you do. Something interesting came up on the Twitter feed and Facebook topic of giant monsters. And I'm just kind of curious, what is the appeal of giant monsters? I happen to love these things, King Kong, Godzilla. If it's simply watching guys in rubber suits knock over buildings, is there anything deeper to it? Or is it just plain silly goofiness? It's kind of curious what you guys think. I think that's a very good question. Uh, I don't know if he kind of brings it up because of that zombie post I did a while ago. But in that post, I sort of mentioned that to some extent, in my mind, all horror is, uh, more than maybe on any other genre, a reflection of its period and the anxieties of that period. Mm-hmm. Um, I don't-- If you look at it historically, like, uh, obviously Godzilla's reaction, the Japanese reacting to, uh, nuclear armaments. Yeah. And Kong is maybe about the-- The last unexplored territories. Mixed with, uh, sort of the glitzy period they were going through. Sort of Hollywood becoming huge and making and creating monsters. And sort of spitting them out at the same time. Now, is every rubber monster movie, uh, an allegory for something? No, probably not. Oh. Mothra is not about the dangers of high-beating lights or something. Yeah, pesticides. Yes, maybe it is. Our camera, when he gets stuck on his back for 45 minutes, was, "Oh, my God, is he gonna flip over? Isn't he gonna move?" But, so I think, although this is kind of skirting Barry's question, because what he was really asking is, "Why are they so good?" Um, I think it's-- I think it's really awesome for us to, like, kind of think about-- The awesome power? I think we're a little bit willing to project when it comes to something huge and, like, beyond our scope of comprehension. Like, although we don't want a giant monster to attack our own city, we do want to witness a giant monster at some point in life. Well, we want him to be our friend. We want to understand him in a deeper sense. Yeah, which is why I think you're absolutely correct there, which is why if you watch something like Kong by the end of it, you're always like, "I want the monster to be my friend," or Godzilla started off as a threat to Tokyo. But then, in the end, he's always like-- Doesn't he save Tokyo? Yeah, in the end, he's always the one fighting off the new monster coming into town, right? And it's the same with "gammer." I believe the first movie or two, "gammer" is totally, like, attacking. He was a good guy. No, he's not. "gammer" starts off as, like, just like Godzilla and everybody else. Oh, no, it's just that little kid that loves him, right? Yeah. He loves more children. Timmy. Or whatever. The lesion kid. And is-- no, Timmy's not-- Timmy's not right, because the turtle's name is "Timmy." Anyway, Mikey, who knows? Yeah, Mikey, I'll eat anything. You know what? I was wondering, though, because I remember when-- You know, I shouldn't say it. I don't want to say like, I just heard that. What I was thinking, actually, is what's the fascination with giant monsters? Because you see so many, like, monster movies where you have these big giant monsters, but you don't see so many movies where it's, like, smaller monsters. And there's actually quite, quite, uh, menagerie of tiny little-- OK, I have two points of-- Cheers. I actually have two points of disagreement, but I know for a fact. No, she's speaking about tiny. Yeah, things like brownies and-- Jessica May specifically has a terrifying fear of tiny monsters. And I would disagree, because I can reel off right now. Uh, Chuckie-- All of the funny monsters that are frightening. Chuckie, puppet-master movies. They were never good, though. All of the, like, dolls-y-- But they aren't considered in the same class as the giant monster movie. The little monster movie? To be fair, though, consider the giant monster movie as a genre. What you're saying is it seems like there's a lot more giant monster movies, but despite the fact that there's King Hong in 19-- like, in the '30s and then remade. And there's Gorgo, which was a British flick that wasn't whatever. There's a bunch of these giant monster films, but most of them are very old, and the vast majority of them come out of Japan. And if there's anything the Japanese are good at, it's doing the same thing over again. Okay. Like, I'm just saying there's a reason, you know, Japan-- a little kind of maybe OCD about giant monsters. That could be true. That's true. But when was the last time they came out with, like, a little monster movie? A little monster movie that, like, trashes the inside of a McDonald's? I don't really-- like, where's the fun in that? Where's the fun in-- Yeah, where's the carnage? Well, I mean, lots of damage in a short period of time. Here's the truth. When you scale a film up to that size, you begin to considerably-- when you film-- scale a film up to that size, you totally lose the perspective of all of the tiny people who are dying. But when you have a tiny, tiny film, it's all about, like, the death of humans. Whereas if you knock over a building, you never really thinking, like, "Oh my goodness, Godzilla just landed on an apartment building, and that's hundreds of dead people." You just think, "Oh my goodness, that apartment building falling over was epic." Yeah, it's more of a spectacle, but is it really as terrifying? No, I-- okay. I would actually argue that giant monster movies are in-- Wow. I would actually argue that giant monster movies are in no way meant to be scary. That they're all about-- they're essentially action movies. I guess. Action and special effects movies. So yeah, thanks for the-- call, Barry. That was fantastic. And I think this is probably a good place to end the show. I think we've all got-- Boigas we're waiting for, so. And editing to do. And editing for Jessica. I feel for you. Good. If you have any comments, questions, or suggestions, you can find us at skinner.fm. Call our voicemail line, as all of these fantastic people did this evening. 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