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Episode 26 Hercule Poirot: Agatha Christie's Iconic Detective Unveiled

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25 Jul 2024
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[Music] Welcome to Only Murders in My Mind. A random thought production. Hi, I'm Carol Bissett, a crime writer. And I invite you with my co-presenters, Liz Hedgecock and Mike Jackson, each week to our conversations on all things murderous. Hello everyone, and welcome to this Thursday at five o'clock with Only Murders in My Mind. And in the studio I've got my normal friends Liz Hedgecock. Hello, Mike Jackson. I'm not sure about the normal. Exactly the same thing, but I like the way you stressed normal friends who are the friends, Carol. Are you recording a podcast with other people that we don't know about? That could be a night when I was asleep. A secret podcast. Oh, before we start today, we've already got off on one another. Sorry, sorry. It's to do with the podcast. We've just realised that we have actually got people listening to our podcast in many other countries. And it's like really made me smile because I don't know why, but I always think of like YouTube's body fire. It'd be in this country and it's international, isn't it? If you are listening from another country, we'd love to hear from you. Tell us anything you like, but tell us where you're from and how you found us and what you think of us would be great. It'd be nice. Yes, it'd be kind to be gentle. And the other thing I want to mention is I went to a murder mystery event last week and it was really entertaining. My team won. I'm just saying. But I came home with a soccer suit, some police tape, an evidence bag. We learnt how to use tasers. That's not at all concerning. So if we go quiet at any point during this episode, you'll know what happens. You have to put your weight on your left foot and go taser taser taser taser. I'm not going to shout it down the microphone. We don't want anybody asking Carol what she's doing with the handcuffs. I've actually seen the soccer suit because Carol and I did a talk together at the library at a local festival last weekend. And yes, the soccer suit was there as atmosphere, ambiance, if you like. It was stuck up over the boot, so that was fun. It's quite startling if you're not expecting it and you walk into the light. So, what are we talking about today, folks? I thought it would be a good idea for us to explore one of our great friends, Hercule Poirot. It's lovely below. Well, I don't have to live with him, do I? Oh, can you imagine? No. It's funny you're saying what a lovely chap he is. He certainly is a favourite with many people. But I was looking, doing a bit of research on this. Apparently Agatha Christie absolutely detested him. She called him a detestable, bombastic, egocentric little creep. Wow. And she only kept writing books about his adventures that the insistence of her publishers because they sold so well. It's a bit like the show looked close. Yeah, I think she would have killed him off much earlier. I think not being for the fact that he was a money-making machine. Indeed. Yes, I read some things somewhere that said that he was self-centred and all the things you said. And that was one of the actors that had played him. Yeah. You know, so he'd really got into the role. But Poiro first appeared in the 1930s. Oh, no, it was 1920s. And carried on appearing until 1975 in various written films. Novels, plays, short stories. And of course, the one thing I think we all love is the television series because there have been many. And we've had films as well. Yes. Apparently, the first time he was on television was in 1937. It was on the BBC, not long after they first aired. Wow. It's a long career when you think about it. I suppose also. That's pretty quick in terms of, I mean, if the BBC was only just, you know, getting going. And Poiro had only been around since some point in the '20s. That's pretty, I feel like quite a quick transition from a page to screen, if you see what I mean. I just have this, I mean, again, like with Sherlock, the writer absolutely hating the character that they're hating about. And because it doesn't come over like that. Does it when you read it? But what does it when you read the books? No, I don't think it does. I don't think you can see this sort of sudden change that she doesn't like the character. I think what it does is highlights what a good writer that she was because despite her own feelings, she knew she had an audience out there and she was writing to please her audience. Yeah. But that's what I got as well. She said she gave the public what they wanted. What did? Yeah. Do we know which was her favourite character? Because I didn't go that far looking for information. No, I didn't. No. It'd be interesting to see. Maybe she didn't like any of them. I'll tell you what, I did fine. That would be really miserable. Would it be nice if all those books about people that you really can't stand. Something else I found interesting and I've kind of just looked on my phone to check I'm correct, is that the last Poirot book was actually written during the Second World War. Oh, that's interesting. And she kept it locked up in a bank vault and it was the last of her books that actually was published during her lifetime. I'm trying to find the name of the one. I think Sleeping Murder was the absolute last one, which I think is in this Marvel one. It's called Curtain. Yeah. Poirot's last case. So she had it sitting there. Waiting. She was obviously wanted to kill him off from her. That's good. That's good because the first one is the mysterious Affirate Styles, isn't it? Yeah, which is a cracker if you haven't read it. Really good. Apparently that's the one where, again, I found this out, that the first description of Poiro was by Hastings in the mysterious Affirate Styles. And he said he was hardly more than 5 feet or inches, but carried himself with a great dignity. His head was exactly the shape of an egg. And he always poked it a little on one side. The neatness of his attire was almost incredible. I believe a speck of dust would have caused him more pain than a bullet wound. Yes, that's it. That's him perfectly, isn't it? Yes. And David Soushay had it. He was my favourite. I think David Soushay was certainly my favourite. I agree. He must have read and analysed the character so much. I wonder how many books he read around, he scripts he read together to get it that good. Very, very good actor. Quite a few people have played him. Oh, yeah. I think the first one was Charles Lawton. Yes. Yeah. I've got 31 people played him. Wow. But of course, some of those will have been theatres, some of them, perhaps, on radio and things like that. Yeah, because there are sort of probably three or four that we probably could think of that weren't television. The one I remember from being when I was small with Peter Oosterman. Yes. And he always seemed too big. Yes. He did. Yeah. He was better at Maegre. He was the bill for Maegre, not not. It's funny, isn't it? I mean, why are you a cast? Someone who's so very not quite right. But then again, if you think, I mean, Kenneth Branagh. Yes. Now, that's the thing. Sorry. No, I was just going to say, when you go back to that description that Hastings had of him, as a small man, five foot four, you know, it doesn't fit in with Eustonath or Kevin Branagh. No. I know quite a few people have seen the modern films, which I quite like, but they do not like in "Plane Poirot". They really don't. I mean, it doesn't feel right. He's too handsome, too, you know, sort of sophisticated. I mean, Poirot was... And they've injected all this, like, backstory in as well. And John Malkovich played him as well, which was an interesting one. I think that was the ABC murder. Yes, I remember that. But they messed around with that as well. The stories have jaffing, probably. And again, I am quite happy to be corrected. The way that portrayed on television, et cetera, have stayed quite faithful to the boogs, would you say? Ooh. Have they been messed about with a lot? I think so. I mean, I tended to read most of the yag of the Christie's in my sort of teen and early 20's. There is something, isn't there, about being a teenager and reading out of the Christie? I wonder what it is. I don't think I've read an Agatha Christie recently. No, that's not true. I've recently started reading what's her name? Sophie Hannah. Oh, yeah. Who has got permission from the Agatha Christie trust. And she's writing some, not just Poirot, but Agatha Christie, in the style of Agatha Christie. They're characters. Yeah, she's got four apparently out at the moment that all feature Poirot. What are they like? I started reading one. I'm probably about halfway through it. I find it difficult when somebody else is trying to write in the style of an author that I know so well. The funny thing is that the story is very Agatha Christie-like. And she has got, I'm sure the one I'm reading has got Poirot. But the person it has, it has got Poirot. But the person alongside him is an inspector, but it's not Inspector Jap. She's using somebody else. And I don't know whether that's been done purposely, but it's a bit confusing. When you're used to Poirot being with Hastings or being with Inspector Jap. For her to be using somebody else completely. Still an inspector. He seems to have a similar role as to Inspector Jap. But just a different name. Yeah, that doesn't sound right. No. I'm just imagining this day. Yeah, you can do it. You're like, well, probably not having Inspector Jap. He's ours to shame. He could have his own series, couldn't he? Inspector Jap, investigation. You should write to them, see if they'll see. Well, you released Jap. Out into the wild. Now, that's the whole story in itself. Now, his backstory is that he's Belgian and people I was calling French. Yes. Which he is very annoyed about. And he was a Catholic. He was written as her being a good Catholic boy. And like we've said before, I mean, Acts of Christi said she got influences from Earth, Conan Doyle and the Sherlock type of writing. I don't think there are probably many crime writers of around that time that could not have been influenced in some way by Earth, Conan Doyle. Even if it was like, whoops, Lord rubbish, I'm not writing like that. But it's there when you've got to decide whether you're going to emulate it or whether you're going to fight against it, I guess. And as we said, Lestrade was the Sergeant Inspector. Sorry Inspector. In 1930, Agatha Fauro insufferable, as Mike has just said and wanted to get rid of him. He was also a character who was very seasick. He was obsessive compulsive and needed to have in his bank at all times 444 pounds for shulings and for pets. Really? Yes. I was not aware of that. Of course that would have been a lot more money in those days. Oh yeah. But it always had to be, you know, that I'm sure it could go with the rest of it. I don't know. Maybe you invested it a lot. Maybe it had like a don't matter account and everything else went in there. So obviously all his fault was in one. I mean 444 would have been OK. Yeah. This is 444 pounds for shulings and for pets. But when you get a bit of backstory in some of the plays and films and things, he was in the First World War, wasn't he? He was an officer in the First World War. Yes, he was. And then he came out and went into the French police. Please. Or Belgian police. Don't know. No, I don't know. But he was definitely happy in the police. Yes. It would have been a Belgian police, wouldn't it? It would have been a Belgian police. It would have been a Belgian police. It would have been a Belgian police. It would have been a Belgian police. It would have been a Belgian police. 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