Orr's Observations Podcast
#21- Gannon Connelly
(upbeat music) All right, hello and welcome back guys. This is episode 21 of the Ours Observations podcast. And this is a special episode because this is my first ever guest conversation. And this is a friend of mine who I work with and he has been writing a graphic novel. And I thought that it would be an interesting conversation to talk to him about his process with that and his inspirations, but then also just to kind of have some conversations and just have a different format for the podcast. So I am excited about this and I really hope you guys enjoy. And thanks for listening and you should be excited because I'm excited and it starts right now. (upbeat music) Hey guys, welcome back. So I'm here with my friend, Ganon. So today, you know, this is the first conversation guest episode of the Ours Observations podcast. And I do want to start moving towards these more. So I'm just trying to get into the habit of interview and interesting people I meet in my life. And Ganon, I've been working this job, you know, for a few years throughout high school and then out of nowhere one day, this guy comes in and I'm like, I feel like I know this guy from somewhere, man. But I don't know, still to this day, I don't know where I know you from, but I know I know you're from somewhere. - Probably Zelda? - Zelda, he is named Ganon, so it's possible. But you know, I- - Please don't, please get that. - From the start of meeting this guy, I've always liked you a lot. And I feel like you're just like a really interesting guy and you got a super cool personality. And you've been telling me about this, you know, you're trying to write like a graphic novel. And, okay, hold on. So before we talk about this, we just like, I'm half-sitting for my girlfriend right now. So I have this house all to myself. And I am, you know, planning, oh, I'll have, you know, like a few friends over, not a party, just a few friends over hanging out. And, you know, me and Ganon had been planning to record this podcast, but I had to go to my grandparents' house. So I, you know, it was condensed. It was a condensed time. - It started, sorry to start this podcast out, just wiggling it through weave and making no sense. But I just, this is something that, you know, it's an experience that I just feel like has to be a, we haven't really decompressed it yet together. - I'm glad we've gone together. I'm glad we put this together. - Yeah, so I invite one of my, you know, good friends over from my childhood that I haven't seen in a few months. And I'm, you know, oh, well, I'll invite Ganon 'cause Ganon was gonna come over anyway. And, you know, these are my older friends. And, you know, I'm younger than Ganon by a few years, but I'm technically an adult now, so it doesn't matter. - Oh, dude, you are correct. - So I invite a couple people over. I'm like, oh, you know, you should bring all our, like, old mutual friends over, like invite 'em all. And he's like, okay, bet, I will. And instead of inviting all of our mutual friends over, I mean, I think he did, but they didn't come. We get two girls, right? And we're sitting back here, having a good time. We're just, you know, all four of us just hanging out in the backyard. Five. - Beautiful women. - You feel young gentleman, too. He was a good-looking dude. - Yeah, he's Jack. He's super strong. - He was a super good dude, liked him. - Yeah, I like him, too. But, you know, so, right as these girls are walking out the door, you know, Ganon's like, oh, I have a good luck with your night shift, guys. Where do you work, by the way? - Oh, my God, he's crazy. - And she's like, oh, I work at his strip club. And I'm sitting over here petting the dogs. I'm kind of like, you've got to get closer to them. - God, dude. - I'm like, I don't, I don't know, like... - Dude, that's crazy. That is like the, they're strippers. That's the, is he telling you right now? (laughing) - Bro. - You walk home. - Oh, man, bro. - It's over. - Bro, it's crazy though. - So, so, so, but like, okay, I'm like, so she's like, oh, I work at the strip club. I'm like, she's like working like in like the kitchen or she's like taking orders or something because like, she's a stripper, bro. She's a straight up stripper. First stripper interaction in real life. And my friend's on like a date with one of these guys. And, or with one of these girls. And she's also a stripper. So, dude, we were just hanging out with two strippers in the backyard of my girlfriend's house. So, hopefully this is not the episode my girlfriend's listened to. I'm sorry I brought strippers to your house. I didn't know. But it's just fucking crazy. 'Cause I, I don't know. I'm still at the age where like, I'm priced out of high school. So like, you know, girls, my age are like, just turning 18, bro. So like, I don't know. - Real. - Being your strippers, like, not even possible. But like, I, I mean, fuck, I guess. - Bro, where did he come from with two strippers? - Hinge, Tinder, something like that, bro. I mean-- - Or a strip club. - A strip club, bro, I guess. I don't know, though. He was, he was, he was like, I mean, he was like, it's a nice ass club, bro. She works at a nice ass club. - She works at a nice club. - Dude, I don't know. I just, I don't know if I could do that, bro. I just don't know. - It's pretty insane. - No disrespect to strippers, but I just don't think that's my lifestyle. - Strippers are hot, too. Like, I fuck a stripper, I guess. With a condom. - With a condom. - I'd fuck most people with a condom, though, so. - Yeah. - Gotta put that out there, you know? Use protection. - Anyone who's listening to this? Oh, you know what is actually a hilarious story, Ganon? - Yes. - So, one time me and Ganon, we're working at Killer Burger, where we work. And-- - That is, yep. - And there's these, this family that comes into work and they're about to leave. It's late at night. And they come up to the register and they're like, "Hey, that tall guy over there. "My daughter wants his number." And I'm like, "I look over there." I'm like, "Gandon does not want this girl's number." No disrespect to this girl, but Gandon does not want this girl's number. And we're at work, so I'm like, what is the most professional way to reject someone's mom? Not even her. Her mom came up to try and get your number, bro. - I know. - And I'm sitting there cleaning the line. Ganon's in the back. Ganon doesn't know this is happening. - Bro. - And I'm like, "I'm a cool, calm, collected professional. "I know exactly how to handle this." Miss Ganon, he's taken. And she says, "Oh." And I say, "Taken by me. "I'm his boyfriend." And she says, "Oh, I'm sorry." And I'm like, "Yeah." - It worked. - And she's like, "Have a good night, guys." And as soon as they walk out the door of the whole restaurant, it's just dying, bro. - But that was a wild moment, but it was worth it. I think that was-- - We're not actually dating, but-- - We're not actually dating. - That was a weird-- - For the record, for anyone, Ganon would still fuck anyone with a count on him on. - I would, yeah. I guess, you know, anyone-- - Did I say anyone? I thought he said, I-- - Most people. - Most, wait, no. - The mo-- yeah, okay, most people were the condom. But more so just if I am fucking, it's with a condom. - Yeah, I mean, that's what you gotta do in the day, society. - Yeah, it is. - Dude, do you know, do you know Julian Assange? - I have not heard that name. - Okay, so here is where the Or's Observations comes back and we get a little bit political. - Oh. - Julian Assange. - Okay. - Do you know what Wikileaks is? - I've heard of it. - So Wikileaks is like this online database of like all this crazy, like classified shit, like-- - Is it like a foreign form? - It's like a website thing. It's so the guy Julian Assange, he's like the journalist, he's the founder that makes Wikileaks, like he's the guy who gets all the documents and puts them in there through various sources. And you know, after exposing like just insane amounts of shit about like all the corruption in the government, war crimes, like straight up videos of like, straight up insane war crimes, like cold, hard proof, rather than arresting the war criminals. Julian Assange is getting charged with, you know, espionage. And the thing is he's an Australian. So an Australian journalist is getting arrested by the American government for exposing American war crimes. And the CIA is openly trying to assassinate this guy. And instead of them going to jail, he goes to jail. So he spends like X amount of years, I think it's like six, eight years in like the Ecuadorian embassy, which is like not prison, but it's like the only place on earth where he's not gonna get arrested. - It's an Ecuadorian. - Well, it's the Ecuadorian embassy in like Britain. 'Cause like the way that embassies work is, they're like sovereign territories. So then Ecuador's finally like, bro, you gotta get the fuck out of here. So he spends like the next four years in like Guantanamo Bay of Britain called Belmar's prison. It's like straight up where all the terrorists go in Britain, a journalist exposing war crimes. He's serving a like life sentence essentially with nothing like no official charges about the US openly trying to fucking assassinate this dude for exposing their war crimes. He just went free the other day 'cause Biden was like, oh, well, I guess it would look good if we freed this guy after having him in jail for 12 years. And then how so I'll have him delete all the stuff that he released. I mean, not that that stuff doesn't already exist, but he had to-- - Hasn't WikiLeaks existed for a long time? - Yeah. - It exists for a long time, right? - It has, it's existed for a hell of a long time. I mean, he's been in jail for like 12 years. So it's been like still posting stuff, but it was like way more active. Prime was like pre 12 years ago, like before I was in any of this shit. Like I'm post WikiLeaks era 'cause Julian Assange has been in prison this whole time. - Wow, okay. - But he hasn't, I mean, I bet he's done. Apparently he was like having some problems in prison as one what if you did 12 years of solitary confinement, essentially. That's a long time to be alone. He has like two kids who he's like never known, basically. - That's a, he's just a, he was just a creator of a forum website, pretty much. - Well, it was more like he was a journalist who was like exposing classified documents. And like they think that the thing that they were mad about is that he was like conspiring with the sources to try and get the documents. But that's like what, he wasn't doing anything that like the New York Times wouldn't do. It's just that he was exposing things that the New York Times wouldn't expose 'cause the New York Times is, you know, a propaganda news site at the end of the day, to be totally honest. - Okay. - But it's... - Was he in like other countries, like being like these guys are killing kids or something? - Well, he was, he's an Australian, but he was obtaining, it's like open source, like internet journalism. - Yeah. - He's like one of the pioneers. - And so it's just source from all over the world. - Yeah, it's like open source stuff. He was like one of the pioneers of like being the kind of vehicle that whistleblowers and stuff could talk to if they had like things that they wanted to expose. He had the platform and the vehicle to do that and put it onto the internet where it couldn't be deleted. Essentially. - Damn, how strong is that source code? - I'm not totally sure. I mean, I'm not a total expert on what I was saying. - Could they not just shut down WikiLeaks? - I mean, they could, but I feel like-- - It sounds like such a, WikiLeaks sounds like such a, like a fake sight. - I mean-- - The name just does. - Yeah, I get it, I get it. I mean, the thing is is like the government, realistically they could do whatever they want, but they are then being tyrannical openly. So it's like, I mean, the thing is, that's the thing, the weird thing about government is that they have these, they kind of pick and choose about what they're gonna be legit about. They're gonna be like, oh, well, war mass murder slavery is cool. We're gonna enlist you guys, draft you guys, kill you, send you overseas so we can make more money and pay all the weapon contractors and all that shit. But, you know, this shit, like we can't take these, we can't delete the internet yet. They're already censoring a bunch of stuff. It's just like something about, like, openly, like deleting things off the internet as the government that are exposing you. It's like, you can arrest the journalist, but it's like, you can't shut down the whole site without like everyone kind of being like, all right, that's an overstep. But they're not too far away from not having to worry about that. - Oh yeah. - It's just kind of, it's a dance, you know? Government has to, they have to figure out, 'cause at the end of the day, they need the masses to kind of, they need to, if it's 51% agree, 49% disagree, it needs to be enough to keep everyone in line and to participate in the system, because if we all don't participate in the system, it's done, right? - I mean, we're split completely down the middle, which when you have these cultures of people and they're split 50% down the middle, that's probably the worst it can be. - Oh yeah. Yeah, and the problem with that is it's, at the end of the day, it's a divide and conquer strategy. And I talk about this all the time where a lot of the things that, you know, the two parties are divided on, they aren't like core governmental policies. It's not about the power of government. It's all these social things. They both want to have the government intervene in social life, where, you know, me, kind of with the more libertarian philosophy, I feel like it's, I can decide that for myself. I don't need the government to come in and say, "Oh, well, this is hateful, this is offensive." If I say something that's hateful or offensive, you know, I can be socially-samed and socially punished for that, but I don't need the government to come in and, like, police, you know, all these social interactions and societal things. And, you know, that's, it's all kind of, we're gonna have you guys disagree on these things that neither of us really care about. We're gonna take a very extreme and polarized side on the opposite side, but the things that we both really care about, we both care about the same things at the end of the day. The things that all the politicians care about, Democrat and Republican, they both want the same things. They both want the money and power. They're both getting paid by the same lobbies. They're just getting votes at the same time blocking any outsiders because they have, like you just said, 50/50. So they, you know, it's a duopoly. It's not a monopoly. It's a duopoly. - Well, I'm just thinking about strippers right now. (laughing) - Strippers. Yeah. Yeah, I've been thinking not quite about strippers. I watched a fucked up movie. I was telling you about it in the car of Requiem for a dream. - Oh, my God. - That's a fucked up movie. - Same thing as what we just experienced. We, yeah, that was-- - I just, dude, I have a problem with, like, women degrading themselves, bro. - I mean, it was chill to hang out with them. - Yeah, they were chill people, but like, I just, I mean, I didn't, like, if I was a girl and I could make hella money off of, like, my body, I like, I did it, like, power to you, but like, I just, something about it for me, like, I'm just like, you don't need to be doing that. And like-- - You're not gonna be hanging out with this guy. - Dude, I mean, I don't know. I just, like, have some sort of soft spot in me for like, I feel like it's like, I just feel bad that they feel like that's the position that they have to be in. You know, like, I just don't feel like that's like-- - Dude, that was wild. It was just like, I, I, I, I have never thought to just bring to you strippers to anything, like-- - I know! The balls of that dude is crazy, bro. To also, I was like, bring like three or four of my, like, bring three or four of our friends, like our dude-ass friends. Fuckin'. Nah, I'm not gonna bring either of them, I'm gonna bring two strippers, bro. - What? Huh? - Can, can you give them my number? - I'll text them, bro. Yeah, there you go. That's, there you go. You just gotta go to the best club in Portland. - I don't need to. (laughing) - Yeah. - Wow. - You know, women, they are the other 50%. - It's wild to think about that sometimes. - Yeah, like-- - I kind of forget-- - No matter how you cut it, it's a spectrum. You can be off the spectrum. - Yeah. - You're also like, on the spectrum then. In a good way, 'cause, you know, autism is a, I'm about to get cancer. - You're not gonna get cancer, bro. You can say whatever you want in this podcast. Free speech, first amendment right, bro. - You're not wrong. (groaning) - Yeah, I don't know. I always forget that, like, I also forget sometimes that, like, you know, we're-- - There's so many spectrums you can pull out of your ass. - Yeah, but we're just-- - There's a spectrum between Apache helicopters and fighter jets, so. - Fair enough? - Yeah. Those people deserve their opinions too. - Dude, I mean, that's the thing. At the end of the day, like, I don't, I don't honestly think like them. And that's like, I've kind of realized that. Like, I just have a totally different mindset than a lot of, like, women. And, you know, I just, I kind of-- - Are you identifying as, like, an Apache helicopter right now? - Apache helicopter, yes. (laughing) My pronouns are a helicopter. - Oh, yes. - But, I don't know, bro. I always forget that, like, you know, people act like there's just no differences at all between, like, men and women. And it's not like, there's, like, men are better than women. You know, it's not that type of shit, but, like, obviously, there's, like, we think differently, we act differently, we, you know, regulate our emotions differently, you know? Like, with my girlfriend, like, I always notice, like, she gets more, like, sad, like, cries more. I get more mad, you know? She's not mad. She gets sad and, like, emotional. I get, like, mad at things, you know? And it's like, I don't always, like, realize that, like, that's, like, you know, the male version, like, being emotional or whatever, is, like, anger. Think about how angry all the men are. You know, you got such a good point. You know, kill each other. Literally, we do, we fucking kill each other, bro. It's nuts. Women don't do that shit, bro. I mean, some, there's some fucking crazy women out there. Don't get me wrong. There's some fucking crazy women out there. It's not there. It's not a spectrum. It's a spectrum. Between... Dude, it's the Hermetic Principle of Polarity. For real. For every, uh, perfectly sane bitch out there, there's a fucking batshit crazy bitch out there as well. It's law polarity. True. Yeah. And for every, um... I can't make any references directly for a dream. I haven't seen that. Dude, it's a fucking crazy movie, bro. Don't do heroin. That's my message. Don't do heroin. You can smoke weed. You can, you can do some psychedelics. You could dabble. Do coke once or twice? Oh my God. Don't do heroin. If your mom listens to this fucking podcast. (laughing) Dude, I mean, dude, I'm honestly being legit here. I'm not endorsing any of those things, obviously. I'm just saying, like... I think there's a significant jump between coke and heroin. There is. You know? Like cocaine. Oh, wow, you know, like... I think there's pills between those two. There's pills between them. And that was part of what we're in for a dream. Don't do pills either, bro. The mom goes batshit crazy. She has to get electroconvulsive shock therapy at the end of the movie. Spoiler alert. Fucked up. Don't watch that movie. It makes you feel like shit. Have you seen men who stare at goats? No. Yeah. Yeah, right. Did you stare at goats? I haven't seen it. But... Man, there's this one with a serial killer that's just like, he's the worst of the worst. And that movie, it's just... Have you seen no country for old men? That's the one I'm thinking of, bro. Yeah, there we go. Yeah. There's another one that's called that. It's almost the worst of the world. Crazy movie. That's a good movie, bro. It's... Dude, that's the thing I always like... And this is the thing like, people always rip on libertarians for us as we're always talking about. Oh, we don't need the government, bro. Fuck the government. We don't... We're good people. We don't need the law. We're going to obey morals. There's people who are fucking crazy, dude. Yeah. There's people who are fucked up. Yeah, murdering people out there. Yeah. There's a lot of us, too. A lot of them, bro. I know that there are. I was probably just... I know. And I always forget that. I feel like that's one of the things like, I always say, I don't remind myself. Yeah, I think we were doing that good in the 70s and 80s. You know, like crime, like... I wouldn't do that shit. What the fuck can do? Yeah. They obviously do. I mean, we live in a fucking Portland, bro. Look at all those motherfuckers down town, bro. I mean, if that's why it's like government cracks down. Dude, this is the thing about, like, this is like, the libertarian argument on gun control, right? Criminals, right? Oh, is it illegal to shoot someone? Yes, it is. It's illegal to shoot someone. So if we make guns illegal to buy, then criminals will buy guns illegally because if they were going to kill someone, that's illegal, so they don't give a fuck about the law. So then, the only people that have guns are cops and criminals, and that is not a world I want to live in. Why is it working Japan? Because Japan's quite a bit smaller. Japan, it is quite a bit smaller. The culture is also way different in Japan. But I'm talking about, you know, libertarian systems, you've got to think about this this way. What I'm talking about, we don't need the law. Someone's got to enforce that shit. So, if I'm saying the non-aggression principle, you know, I'm saying, oh, there's, you know, I'm not going to talk about laws very much. If someone aggresses me or my property, I got a fucking piece on me and I'm going to, you know, if you're aggressive me, I'm not going to aggress you. But if you come at me, I'm going to fucking shoot you, yeah. And that's the whole point of the Second Amendment. But it's also governmental overreach because you got to think about the powers that be, right? If I'm a monopoly on violence, they have this force that they own only, they can kill you. It happens all the time where, like, please come and they'll, like, kill people's whole families because they have some guns in their house. You know, and it's like, why does the state get to come in and kill you, but you can't defend yourself against that? Like, if the state comes in, you know, no knock a warrant, and this happens to, like, you know, Breonna Taylor, this happened. They get the wrong house. They barge the fucking, and they're like, someone's breaking into my house. Let me get my legally armed fire, like, my legally owned firearm, boom, boom, boom, boom. You're a threat. You're dead. Yeah. You know? So if, you know, someday these forces that maybe right now aren't super tyrannical become overbearing a tyrannical and I have nothing to defend myself with, no one has anything to defend themselves with, revolution now becomes impossible. And especially in an age of, like, you know, today with all these military, like, tech in advancements, like, to walk back to Second Amendment today is selling the future of every human. Because once that right gets taken away, we have lost all leverage forever because we're just no threat because we are unarmed. And it's not about, you know, we need guns to kill people. It's, we need to, you know, that's like the whole thing about the American Revolution. They were trying to tax them 2%, or like 4%, we're getting texts like 40 now, taxing and taking their guns away. And they're like hell no, and they overthrew the fucking British Empire, supposedly. He was dating one of them. It was his girlfriend. No. He's, he's, they said, he was their first date. First date. First date. Yeah. First date at my girlfriend's house. Yeah. Bro. Yeah. It's crazy. So. Yeah. No, it's fucking crazy. I can't believe that happened. Bro. If, if he, if he smashed more power to him, if she, if she, if she, if she, if she took a more power. More power. Then it's home. But I did see he got a little hug. I mean, bro, they're on money. Bro, he's got to get a poll in his house now for real. Hopefully they don't want to be an electrician, bro. Whoo. All right. That was funny. Sorry. It's just never like. It's just so weird. Cause it was just fucking five people. You, me, this dude in two strippers, bro. And we were playing this game. Simple ass game where we just go around a circle. One, two, three, seven, and 14 are switched instead of saying 14, you say seven and it's the same 14, you say seven. Yes. I think I said that, right? And then you just next person says eight, next person says 15. Really fucking simple. These girls could not get it straight, bro. Could not get it straight. And it was just. He wasn't doing that good. Yeah. No, bro. It was hilarious. That's the thing. Sometimes I always remember that like. He was chill. I enjoyed talking to you. That's what I was talking about you in the backyard is like you're a smart dude too. And like it didn't like, you know, fucking high school, bro. No one, it's rare that people are like at their fucking like academic peak in like cognitive peak in high school or like even like a drive like you have to have a drive to do good in school. And a lot of people don't have that immediately. You know, there's nothing wrong with that. You know, so like, but you got to remember that there's people who are just naturally not smart, like really, really not smart. Like you're smart. I'm smart. There's people who are just not, you know, no offense to them. But like there are people who just usually the people who are just sucking on a vape. Yeah. Unfortunately, unfortunately, it's always tragic every time I see this shit. Yeah. I mean, I'll fucking I'll take a little. I know I saw you with those mokes outside too. I'll take a little nibble every now and then, but like I have no problem with nicotine. It's just a diction paper. Yeah. Literally. I mean, it feels good. The thing is, is like it feels good when you like don't do it a lot. Okay. But weed doesn't always feel good. Yeah. Well, especially once your tolerance gets up, but it's that's the fun of it. It's just you it's got variants with tobacco is just like, Oh, I want to come. Dude, I feel like with tobacco, I have like if I do it like for if I'm consistently like doing it for like a couple days, which is like rare for me, then I stop getting like the head rush. Oh, yeah. But when I only do it occasionally, like a couple times a week, then it just feels hella good. Adderall, bro. Dude, I don't know. I don't want to do that shit. I don't fuck with any of the synthetic stuff, bro. I like my natural shit. I like I like my natural shit, bro. I like my goals and be happy. I am bro. I'm not having any. I'm not complaining at all. Bro, the negative thing just needs to burn. Well, it does burn. It's burned hella humans throughout history. That's the thing about nicotine, bro. Back in the day, imagine all the teenagers sucking on pipes, boy. Oh, the fucking OGS boys growing tobacco in their backyard, smoking on that shit instead of the babes. Dude, imagine you drop in fucking like 1600s where they're getting these slaves to grow all this tobacco, whipping these boys and you're like, you're crazy. Hey, look at this. Hey, look at this geek bar I got. Look at this shit. It's got a screen on it and watch if I turn this, if I move the button over, it goes on to rocket mode and it gives you double nicotine. You're going to get double dope. I'm picturing like a little white kid. It tastes like watermelon ice. It tastes like meadow moon. Bro, this is in like the 1700s. Imagine, dude, what would those motherfuckers in the 1700s think if they saw a geek bar? You know that dude, Destin, bro? Have you seen Destin's vape? It's dope. It's got a huge screen on it. Have you seen that shit? I saw him drop it. Bro, it's got like a screen when you inhale it. It's got fire on it, bro. It shows all the stats, like all how much vape juice you got left, how much battery you got left. It's crazy. It's crazy. Dude, you got to think about what motherfuckers were doing for tobacco back in the days, bro. It's not new. It's not even new. That's the saddest thing about it. Is it tobacco addiction and humans have gone centuries, bro? Maybe forever. Low-key. That's crazy. I just want to know, I want to know who the fuck was the first person to ever smoke something and be like, "Yo, guys, this is good as sound fucked up, but when you hit the rocks together and you light this leaf on fire and you inhale the smoke." Bro, it's probably during like a forest fire. You feel... Well, dude, Destin, you know, like, uh, you know, you know the story of like burning bush with Moses, apparently the acacia tree has like, DMT in it. So what people think is that like, when the acacia tree was burning, Moses was like inhaling DMT smoke from the acacia tree and he was tripping balls and no fucking wonder you would think you'd meet God if you were tripping balls on DMT, bro. Dude, I want to do DMT so bad, but I feel like I have to wait until I'm like, action at all. I have to be your age to do DMT. I haven't done DMT. Dude, I want to do DMT so bad, but I can't do it yet. I want to do like, peyote, that one of those crits. Peyote would be hella chill. You'd throw up. Dude, I throw up all mushrooms. I feel like, I feel like, that's not, I'm not too worried about that. I look, you have this theory that like, when you're like, okay, 'cause I was telling you about like, my like, the last time I did mushrooms, I went to like a room. It was not like normal, like visuals. It was like, I was in a fucking room. I was somewhere else and, you know, I have this theory that when you're like, going your, your spirit or whatever is transporting somewhere else, your body needs to be empty. And that like, you know, the mushrooms themselves, 'cause you're kind of delirious. You're getting poisoned. Like, that's making you throw up, but also like, your body needs to be empty and it also just want to use the energy to digest food, 'cause it's diverting it to like, make you see all this crazy shit. Thank you. I just spilled my drink all over myself. So. That was a, that was a, that was a, yeah, I had to cut that out real quick, 'cause I was making a fringe reaction. That was gonna sound weird on the microphone. You saved that, bro. That no one could see my face. So, yeah. Ah, fuck, what were you talking about? Oh, yeah. Food thrown up. Yeah. Peyote would be hella chill. Like, I kinda like, it's like an old psychedelic. It's like the fucking- It's strong and lit. It's like the grunge of psychedelics. It's like the- Oh, okay. It's like a punk rock psychedelic. Oh, yeah. The punk rock psychedelic. What's the, what's the preppy psychedelic? Acid, probably. Acid is probably the preppy psychedelic. Or like, ketamine, maybe? Ketamine's mainstream now. Probably, yeah. Ketamine. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's MDMA. Molly's preppy. You're so right. It's super preppy. Molly. Yeah. Yeah. Molly's the fucking preppy psychedelic. Shrooms is the hippie psychedelic. That's too easy, but you're not wrong. Acid is like the, like- That's like this. Acid, I feel like, is the- It's like the Adderall 4.0. What's acid? 'Cause DMT is like the like, druggie psychedelic. Like, deep druggie psychedelic. Is acid just the like- What's salvia? Salvia's the- Salvia? Bro. Salvia's the like, redneck fucking psychedelic. Bro. Okay. So, dude. Salvia, I would never do salvia. Fuck that. You can do so many better psychedelic than salvia. Really? What does it even do? Dude, I've heard some fuck shit about salvia and like, dude, it doesn't even- I have no interest in doing salvia. Hell no. 'Cause, dude, if you could do mushrooms, acid or DMT, you're really gonna- Molly, peyote. You're really gonna tell me you're gonna do fucking salvia over that shit. No fucking- Wait, it's probably not even that much cheaper. You know what's crazy though? In the Netherlands, they sell salvia in stores. I've seen that. So, I might fucking do salvia. That's funny. If I do, I'll let you know. I'm not- I'm kind of probably not gonna do it though. 'Cause I've heard- Dude, I've heard people like stories about people living like years. In 15 minutes. Yeah. On salvia. I'm like, no, I'm not trying to do that shit. Yeah. I mean, I kind of am. That sounds kind of crazy. Yeah, I guess. Bro, I had a friend- I had a friend like my age who did DMT and he said he like- What did the use of your time? Lived like a month on like a Star Wars planet. Great. Yeah. For over 15 minutes. That's a great use of your time. It's pretty fucking nuts. Dude, that's the thing about it. It's like, that shit sounds so crazy, man. I just like, I've heard some fuck shit happen to people who like do it when they're too young. Yeah, I guess so. And I think I have the software for it, but I don't have the hardware for it yet. That's true. Salvia. Salvia, bro. I'm not doing that shit. I've decided that. Putting it on the podcast right now. If I ever become a salvia addict and you see me on the side of the street smoking salvia. I read a book about you. And I'm like coughing my fucking lungs out because I'm so addicted to salvia. You gotta show me this podcast and say, bro, your 18 year old self said never to do the shit. Get up. Now. And I'm going to get up. Yeah. That's America right there. So, I mean, yeah, I love drugs. Drugs are cool. But there's also bad drugs out there. Yeah. That's what I. Because drugs that you can like. That's that movie. You can like, you can like, I want to like, oh, I'll just try coke once. Actually, if it can be cut with soul man, it can be cut with glass, dude. Yeah. Glass fen. Yeah. Fentanyl. You got. Fentanyl. Crazy. Who the fucking vent in fentanyl? Who the fuck is putting fentanyl in drugs? For real. Why? Because dude, I've been trying to fucking figure this out. Who would want to kill their customers? You're right. And then. You know when you come to it, you know who supplies all the drugs secretly. Who supplies all the drugs, you really? The confirming. Yeah. No way. Not the government. No, they do. That's the whole fucking thing about the crack academic. They fucking traffic crack into the black neighborhoods. They criminalize crack and psychedelics so that they can take out the hippie anti-war movement and criminalize black people because they're doing crack. Joe Biden was always talking about, if you got a size of crack, the size of a quarter, you're going away for fucking 10 years. No probation. Just doesn't have a choice about it. And then his son is on video arguing with strippers. No, not strippers, worse prostitutes about how much crack he has. But he's not going to jail because he's Joe Biden's son. That's wild. But that's Russian disinformation. That's pretty wild. Yeah. It's pretty fucked up. Yeah. But there's, dude, it's, I watched this movie, they cloned Tyrone on Netflix. Have you seen that? Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. I never correlated that. Yeah. MKUltra. You know MKUltra? Yeah. I've heard you talk about it. Oh, bro. MKUltra is going to fucking blow your mind if you haven't heard about MKUltra. I've heard the name. Okay. So the CIA was doing this shit back in the 70s where they would like basically like kidnap these dudes. They would like give them, put them in these brothels and give them LSD. And they were trying to like mind control them, to like turn them into like sleeper assassins. And so they'd just like feed them information on their fucking prostitutes. I guess tripping on acid. They were like, it was like when acid was first getting experienced, you know? And they were trying to like figure out, hey, can we use this for mind control or whatever? Yeah. That's what like people are saying the Trump shooter was, is that he was maybe MKUltra because he was like, there were videos of him before he was shooting people. And he was like, just looking. I mean, I feel like if you're about to go and fucking assassinate the president, you've got to be a crazy motherfucker. But he was looking like a fucking crazy motherfucker before that shit. Yeah. He was. And you know, I say this. Actually, I don't even know if he was dude. You know, that guy had no social media presence. He was so fucking politically radical that he was about to go kill the president, yet he never posted anything online because dude, if, if I tried to kill the president and people like looked at my social media history, they'd be like, this dude, this checks out. I feel like he could probably kill the president. Not like I would. Disclaimer, I would never kill the president. I would never kill anyone unless I had to, but you know, like it would make sense. You were like, you were, if you were. Yeah, but like if I was going to do that, like, I have a history of like saying crazy shit talking about overthrowing the government revolution, like, I talk hell of shit about the government hours of myself saying shit about, you know, fuck these guys, like, there's obviously like long digital trail of me before I got to the point where I was ready. Yeah, fuck it. I'm going to kill myself and try and kill the president. I don't know. He killed himself? I mean, if you're going to take shot at the president, you're going to die. And he's like not even trying to hide. He's like not, he wasn't like far away. That's like where it's like, it's got to be like, there was an obvious like, stand down order, whether or not there was a second shooter or not, the CIA and, or not the CIA, the secret service was obviously like in on it because there was just so many levels of security failure. There's just no way. You're going to tell me that the fucking secret service didn't secure a roof 130 yards with the direct shot at Donald Trump. That was pretty bad. They knew about the two for 26 minutes, bro. Take him pictures of it. I mean, I feel like that's just the lack of like training, maybe it's the secret service bro. I know. I mean, they just got lax. I guess, bro, but that's all, that's equally as bad. So you're saying it was an inside job? I mean, that's what I think. I think that the Thomas Crook's guy, the guy who everyone like is saying was the shooter was like, yo, you're going to go on this, this roof and you're going to take some shots and you're going to like, he's the fall guy because there was like another dude on the water tower. And the question is whether or not this guy was like an FBI sniper or like whether or not he was government or not, but there was definitely a second gunman because there's like confirmed like looking through the audio clips, the actual like the second volley of shots isn't the same weapon. So there's two different guns and then there's the counter fire. So like when you're looking at the audio, there's like literally proof of a second gunman of some sort, whether or not it's police or a different, but there's like also a video of like this dude like on top of the water tower, like leaning over and you can like kind of see a gun and he kind of moves around a few times. Apparently there's like there's like 10 eyewitnesses saying that and then they're saying that they saw some guy in a water tower getting shot, but I've also seen people saying that this guy ziplined off the fucking back of this water tower and then got into like a fucking FBI Escalade. Yeah, but that's the thing about what's going on right now is that there's it's it's fucking crazy. It's the most interesting time to be alive ever and it's not even close. It was pretty well. Works sucks. I mean it does suck, but like I think honestly it's always sucked. Yeah. I think this era of humanity like maybe like pre cataclysm, OG, OD old earth humans. Oh yeah. We are fucking living it up balling. Yeah. But since since the rebirth, we've always just been so fucked. It's never been good because dude, if we lived like a couple of lifetimes ago, we'd probably be going to war. I mean, dude, honestly, if you think about it, our parents lived the best life. It's like gen X. That's the fucking grit. Oh my God. I wish I was gen X, bro. God damn. What a great time to be alive that period to be like 55 60 right now with kids. You know, like, Oh worst case, you know, she's probably going down like five, 10 years from now, maybe 20 30 on the far end unless something radically changes, but like, I'll be dead. I'll, you know, if they want to have grandkids, they can have grandkids. I'm like, they live their whole lives for the most part, bar. They're not going to be the ones fighting in the big war, right? They didn't have to fight in either of the world wars. They didn't have to fight in Vietnam. You know, some of them went to rock in the Middle East, but by and large, there wasn't a draft. These people, you know, gen X, like they, they had it the best out of any humans ever. For us, you know, and you're like, get into the point where like, you might not get drafted until we have no more people left, if there's a draft, but like, I'm going, I mean, if there's a draft, I have enough like foot stuff where I think I can maybe dodge that shit. And I've decided I'm not fucking fighting, but, bro, there's some scary shit going on in the world right now and no one's fucking paying attention to it. And we're all, I mean, at least for me, kids my age, we're going to be fighting, bro. We're going to get drafted. We're going to be fighting and no one even fucking cares right now. Yeah, I mean, that's even the government mandate or government stays together to hold up the 26th year law for the draft. Yeah, but the scariest part about, you know, if our government collapses, what government is going to come and swoop in for real? What's going to swoop in in their place, you know, and that's like the whole thing about like libertarianism is like, we need to fucking shift our society on our own terms. We need to have well regulated militias as the Second Amendment states. The whole point of the Second Amendment, it's less about guns. It's more about literally making, let's say the government doesn't need an army. It doesn't need a military because we ourselves organize in these militias. So it takes power away from the government. It's less about guns. It's more about the people are the army. The government doesn't have the power to raise the army. You know, the minute and like, and it also, it counters this whole idea of like offensive wars. Why do we need to send Americans to go fight in the Middle East? You know, oh, 9/11 terrorism. Okay. Those motherfuckers were not the government. Why are we fighting the government of these other fucking states? Oh, well, they supported them. Okay. Why are these terrorists attacking us in the first place? Yeah. Because we're there first. We're attacking all of them. Palestine, but we're, you know, how we're in Israel and fucking doing all that shit. You know, it's not like it's unprovoked at the end of the day. And that's the thing like in the American mind, no one realizes that the United States is the fucking evil of the earth. Yeah. You know, and it's not like I'm like, I mean, everyone's been killing each other for years. That's what I'm saying. It's so fucked up and it doesn't make any sense. It's human to kill each other. That's why I just do art. Yeah. Because it's just whatever I want it to be and that's good there. You can make violent art and it doesn't even matter. Yeah. I kind of love that about it. Yeah. It's kind of free. You know, like if someone wants to cancel me for that shit, like... No one's going to cancel you. Have you seen the boys? Your father just doesn't get canceled. Have you seen the boys, bro? I know. I know. I know. You've got to watch that boys for inspiration for your book. We'll see. I know. That's just so good. The fucking season four finale is... Okay. Okay. Okay. You've got to watch this. I'll watch it. I'll watch it. All right. So, get in and I actually went to the same high school, but he graduated before I even started going there. Yeah. I actually started my freshman year in COVID. So my first year, the first half of it was online and then, you know, COVID, it respects the days of the week. So we would only go for half of the day for the last half of the day because you can't get COVID in third and fourth period. I don't know if you know that. The upperclassmen, they could, so they went during first and second period, but all the underclassmen, we couldn't get COVID during third and fourth period, but we could during first and second. So we only went for half of the day, but yeah. It was a... For that. Yeah. It was a kind of a... I didn't like it too much, not a great high school experience, to be totally honest. Not even just the COVID aspect of it, but all four years. Yeah. I mean, no one else is going to know much about this if you do not live, like in Portland, but it's like more of like a rich area school, meaning that there's a lot of kids there who are just... Loaded to the teeth. Loaded to the teeth. Privileged, asshole-y, douchey, country club. You know, it's basically everything you can expect, plus a little more sometimes, designer drugs. It's some crazy shit, but I'm glad to be out and, you know, we had very different high school experiences, I feel like, in the sense that, like, I don't know, like, I... This year, especially, like, my last year, like, I really got... I found my sort of academic passion while I was still in high school, which is like kind of... It's lucky for me. It doesn't happen to a lot of people where they find this passion, you know, still in high school. So, I was able to kind of use high school to my advantage, and I like really took it seriously, seriously, at least, like, the last year. And, you know, now you're trying to write this book after high school, and you've talked to me, and you've found this, you know, you kind of had this idea after that. So I just want to hear about, you know, your high school experience, and you're out of high school experience, and how that played into this. I don't want to act like I'm contrasting your experience, but my high school experience wasn't that positive. I didn't find what I really wanted to do out of it. I knew I wanted to focus on art, but I also knew that it was common to think of art as a very difficult career choice, and something that you couldn't really make money at in today's world. And I kind of agreed with that. There's a lot of, like, you can't really work in ceramics. You can't make pots just to sell pots to people. It's a bit of a dead trade in a lot of ways. It's a side hustle. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's a hobby. Kind of, obviously, turning a hobby into your career is the dream, but I didn't agree with that, you know? Yeah. I felt like I needed to find something like a make money quick scheme. So I went into some of the trades. And... You did, like, auto body, right? Auto body. Yeah. And I enjoyed it. I liked working with cars. I never had before. I went to school for it, and I went to PCC, a community college just down the street from me. Yeah, but a few friends going to PCC next year. It's a good school. Yeah. No, and did you do, like, the Oregon Promise program? Exactly. Yeah. Free school. I mean, who can say no to that? Yeah. And, I mean, Oregon Promise lies. They say you need a 2.5 GPA to get in, but you definitely don't. You need a little less than that. Fair enough. But, you did a good job of getting me into schooling again, because I plan to go back. I plan to go back to get some degree. Yeah, you can tell me that. And there's something at PSU that's a degree that gets you into Dark Horse Comics, which is the local comic company here. Pretty big name, if you've never heard that. I haven't heard it, but that's a good opportunity. Yeah. That's the dream right there. Trying to make that into reality right now. So PSU instead of PCC? I think I'm going to start at PCC again, go through that to PSU. But, yeah, I was... What major is it? What program? It's English. It's an English major. Cool. Which... English is the crazy uncle of the majors. But... Yeah. I'm excited to try it out. I mean, you can't do anything without being happy. If you're not happy doing what you want, or you're not happy doing your job, then you probably shouldn't be doing it. Yeah. Is there like an art component to it as well, if it's like for the comic thing? Yes. Yeah. I haven't looked too thoroughly into it. I've been a hide-cout of a crazy year, but I'm planning to... Who's I'm done with this next event, next personal event I have, I'm going out of state to Peru. Super excited for that. Oh, yeah. That's not what we're talking about here, though. Like I said, after that is when I'm really diving into the education area of my future plans. But right now, I wanted to talk about how I got into the idea of writing a comic book. Yeah. Totally. I read a lot of offbeat comic books when I was younger. I read Scott Pilgrim Runaways, Mouse Guard. Mouse Guard was one of my favorite, super stylistic, gothic, just animals doing violent shit to each other, which is a little known secret. That's what my comic's about. I don't want to get too much into what it's about. Yeah. You don't have to. I want to get into how I found this idea, because I think that's really the most... Yeah, that's really the thing. And you know, when you're done with the book, if you want to come on and you want to talk about it? Absolutely. Totally, totally happy to do that. For sure. But I think the story... This is about you. It's less about the book. Yeah. And the book isn't even done yet. It could change, you know? Yep. Oh, yeah. But I started writing comics when I was in like fifth grade, and I was writing just stupid. I actually... It wasn't stupid. It was a comic that we sold to the rest of the school for a dollar apiece, which I thought was pretty cool. Everyone fell off of it in writing it, but I was like, "We're cooking these. We're getting these out." It didn't last too long, it lasted about a year, but yeah, that's definitely been cemented in my memory, doing that stuff with my friends. And it was just kind of like... It was something that like, it didn't have a directive. It was just... You drew what you wanted to draw, and that's kind of all I wanted to do. But when the idea came to me to write a comic book, it was more so that I had a story that I had like planned out in my mind. I had written a light storyboard, that storyboard got fucking huge eventually. Yeah. Lots of ideas that I wanted to put into it. And it was just a lot of ideas that toyed with the ideas of comics and really broke the fourth wall in a lot of ways. And it just seemed like something that was outside of my wheelhouse being a first-time writer. Yeah. And so I was overwhelmed writing that. So I decided I want to focus more on the drawing aspect and the artistic aspect of it instead of the writing. So I wanted a story that allowed me to draw what I wanted. Yeah. So I found that. And it's just... I just wanted to draw like animals, messing people up. And that's... You know, I'm still keeping that story a secret, but that's what I found. And it's worked out. And just, I can just come up with ideas and find a way to fit it into the story. It doesn't need to be like a serious beat in the story, which is what it really felt like with my first book. So is this your second book or did the first one never come? I mean, second story. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And you said that you're writing the, are you writing the prequel first? Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm writing it in a triplicate format. So the first book is going to be the prequel. Yeah. And then the second... Sorry. Hold on. The first book is going to be the second book. And then the second book is the prequel. So it goes in the middle of the storyline and then it returns to or it explains everything in a flashback format. And then we jump forward past the second book. Awesome. So it kind of... It felt right because it locks it into a three story, a three book story. There's no like, there's no continuation after that. It's a really night, in my mind it really fits tightly together as a three piece. And it really feels like it also lends itself to just having fun with the story. Like you can, as a reader, you read the first book, you're like, "Oh, this was good." And then you get to the second one, you're like, "This is a prequel. That's exciting." And then after you finish all three, you can start with the prequel and then go through them in chronological order and have fun with it that way. Which I thought was just kind of a fun little way to write it. Honestly, it's really just me experimenting with different writing styles. Yes. And especially for like your first few stories, like this is the time to like really find your own style and like experiment with all that like different kind of storytelling, finding, like you were just saying like the relationship between the art and then the words that you're also writing. You know, trying to make those cohesive and not have it, to have it feel balanced, you know, and to also have it feel like authentic to what you're trying to do. I think it's super cool, I like really, I've like never been like artistic in like a like an art way. Like I've just never as a kid like I was never a drawer, I never really like did it, I never really practiced it. And I think that was part of it as I was just always bad at it. So I just was always discouraged from doing it. But you know, like I've always been like a writer in some sense, like I was always trying to like make movies and write movies as like a little kid and stuff like that. So you know, for me, like I'm just like purely on the writing side of it, just only trying to write as many fucking words as I possibly can. So it's like it's, it's definitely cool to like think about having to, and especially doing it both like yourself, because I feel like a lot of times you'll see like illustrated by someone else. And it's like, you know, to have to come up with the artistic style, but then also the word style. I think that's like definitely a very cool process. Oh, yeah, yeah, that the whole doing it, doing the whole thing by myself, it's intimidating, but it's also like, I don't have to answer to anybody. Yeah. Really nice. And are you doing it like at the same time, or do you already have like the story, like written out? I'm storyboarding the panels. Okay, cool. So I do draw out pretty detailed sequences every now and then, but it's more so just if I if the idea is in that panel, and I want it to be like this specific look, then I will detail it. But otherwise, it's just like, it's just light writing, and then I just have the panels organized, how I plan to have them organized, because that's the main thing with the comic is you want it to read and flow right, and if it doesn't, then you got an issue. And also, if you have drawn out all these like images that are super detailed and it doesn't flow right, you're going to have a real stomach ache trying to get that to flow correctly. Yeah. So are you trying to do it like narration style, like are you going to have like text in them all, or is it just going to be like what the characters are doing and saying? So my main character can't talk, and I'm playing with that because yeah, I don't want like, I want it to be a little, I don't want to act like a hipster about it, but I definitely want it to feel a little different than like, I read the invention of Hugo Cabray. I think that's the name of it. Yeah. You know, I think I had that book read to me as a kid. Sure, yeah. It's a beautiful book. And I loved how detailed the images were and how much they showed without any words for just their images. Like the pages had words and words and words, but then they would have these periods of just like pictures that were just absolutely gorgeous and you could really feel the change in emotion that the author was trying to show, which was fucking awesome. Yeah. So yeah, I would, I would say Hugo Cabray is definitely a bit of an inspiration. I do want to talk about something that's contrasting with between us because I wrote this comic because my first book, it felt like there was a lot of political attachment that I was adhering to eventually as I was writing. I was like, oh, I'm getting like a little bit of my, like the little bit of politics that I hold. I'm putting it in this book. And so I wrote this second, I wrote my, my second book because I wanted it to be detached from that. It would be a lot simpler and have just my artistic style presented. And the funniest part is as I was writing it, it continued to get more political. Yeah. There was a lot. That's something you talk about to me all the time is that like fiction is like a reflection or just like a version of, you know, the real world through the author's eyes and you know, some sort of, it's detached. So sometimes it makes it easier for people who are like, you know, really tied to one issue or one belief or one ideology to kind of, you know, interpret it openly and, you know, not kind of immediately have all their biases and their internal workings and, you know, influences, telling them to stop. So that's definitely like, I feel like it's hard to kind of, especially when it's, you know, something you're making like this, like, especially with a book where you're not only just writing about, you're also drawing it, like so much of yourself is going to come through that it's almost kind of inevitable. Oh, yeah. You know, and I feel like, I feel like it's always interesting to me, like, when authors definitely like, you can tell their commentary on the world and you can literally like see in their pages in these situations, like what they're referencing in the real world and I always think it's super interesting. It's super interesting. Yeah. It's, it's inevitable with any book, even kids books, you can see politics in the hungry caterpillar. I mean, who's hungry, right? Um, there, there, art is, uh, art is the abstraction of, um, of nonfiction. It's the abstraction of our life and you can see that in Picasso's work. You can see that in fucking Frank Herbert's writings. You can see that in so many different forms of art that honestly, when you look at a lot of, uh, nonfiction work, like a podcast, um, it ends up being its own form of art. It ends up being your own personality and it's just a different form of translating it. That's one of the things that's been so interesting, trying to like both write and do a podcast at the same time. And part of the reason I wanted to start the podcast when I did, because I've been waiting to think, oh, you know, like I need a co-host like, I don't know if I can actually sit here and do a podcast by myself for an hour or whatever, but trying to, you know, writing, especially when I, that's what I started doing. I was like writing all these like political articles and like it's weird, you know, trying to write with all the grammatical rules and, you know, having to fit it all into sentences that like make sense when you're reading it and looking at it versus just being able to talk openly, like it's so much more freeing stylistically where like I have a writing style that I think is like pretty distinct and I don't know if you've read a lot of my writing, but like I feel like I do have like a very, like a personality through the words and I try and like make it unique so that it is different and it is like interesting to read. I do a lot of like dashes like it would be like a run on sentence to any English teacher, but I try and find a way to technically not make it a run on sentence. So I'll have like three or four sentences in one sentence with like dashes and colons and all that fucking crazy shit, but it's so much more freeing to just be able to talk and it's such, it's, it's an art form in a different way where, you know, I have two different styles, like one of just rambling and just talking and then when I'm writing, I have to try and focus it in and every word matters. You have to fill up every sentence. So every sentence, you know, there's so much more thought in every word I say cause I choose every word I say versus, you know, this is me unfiltered, but when I'm writing, I try to be like unfiltered in like an opinion way, but the words are just, it's not if I was just saying it, it wouldn't sound anything like that. And sometimes it's interesting to like turn your internal dialogue into something external and then to see it, you know, in words, it's always weird to me, especially writing, you know, nonfiction, you know, like, you know, articles and stuff like that. It's so, it's, it's interesting to try and have a style in something that I'm not creating, you know, and in like news and podcasting and like journalism, the, the original content is like my original opinion on it. So trying to figure out how to like, you know, report on what's going on, but then also have the originality in there is such like an interesting balance to try and find like, you know, I'm, I don't want to come off like too strong and too like crazy cause I also like recognize myself that sometimes like, you know, what I think is not always like, I'm not going to say it on a podcast sometimes, you know, because I don't, I'm not totally sure of it. But it's just like an interesting like to try and watch your, your words as they're coming out super fast on a podcast versus I'm writing it on a, on a Google doc and I can come back as many times as I want. And I can delete it and rewrite it. So it makes you think differently too. Oh yeah. I mean, you're filtering yourself when you're talking to your microphone, you're just not talking about the topics that you are then like expelling into your writing. Yeah. Yeah. So I have, I've, I, of course, used to attempt writing rap lyrics and some of them turned out probably like a nice five, six out of 10, but nonetheless, I did a, I would have a flow of consciousness that was a bunch of different ideas that I would never tell other people. Yeah. But funnily enough, the whole idea of making a run on sentus work by adding Ken Collins and semicolons, I think people hate texting with me because every other text I use a semicolon at that point. Yeah. And they're like, what the fuck is a semicolon, bro? What even is it? Google Israel. Yeah. No, I love it. I love trying to like piss people off with my grammar. I'm low key pretentious about it. Yeah. Like even with my girlfriend, like she has like dyslexia. So it's like she'll like text me something and it'll like be like they're like spelled wrong or whatever, like the wrong usage of it. And I'm like always correct in her just to like be a dick. Nice. It's funny. Like I'm that dude who uses commas and periods and texts and my brother's like, what the fuck are you doing? You're not texting with no punctuation at all. You're not just texting words with nothing to separate them. I'm like, dude, I can't do that. It just doesn't feel right to me. Yeah. It's funny. It's super funny. But if you don't use punctuation, then sentences can mean something else. Yeah, I know. It's like a let's eat grandma. Let's eat grandma. Yeah. That's what I was trying to remember. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, you got to move the camera around and it means something totally different. It is. It is a funny little meme there. Yeah. But yeah, other than my book and my rap lyrics, I'm not really, I can't really think of anything else. Yeah. Cool. I'm cool to end it here. This has been a great conversation and I really appreciate you doing this. I'm super glad you got to come on here and this was like super interesting. I think all of it like there was like a nice combination of just, I feel like we went a lot of different places, you know, and I think that's really interesting. And it felt really natural. I felt like it, you know, it, this is what I have always like imagined a podcast where I'm just like, you know, I have an idea of like what I want to like, you know, for you to talk about like, you know, what I'm interested in having you on the podcast for. But then also not it just being so focused on one thing. I think it's like really interesting and valuable. And that's one of the things that originally drew me to podcasting when I was first listening to podcasts is just how open ended they are. You know, it's really like such a cool opportunity to, you know, make and listen, but to just get exposed to, you know, the inner workings of so many different people's minds that you just wouldn't be able to do before this. Do you ever watch that show on Netflix that was a, I can't remember what it's called. It's a podcast and they animated it. Uh, it's the Duncan Trussell one. I know exactly what you're talking about, but I, I can't, I know it's so awesome. I cannot believe it's the one where it's, he's like going into a bunch of different universes. Exactly. I, uh, I'm going to just Google it real fast so that we can shout them out because Duncan Trussell is a, he's a real one. Uh, and that is a awesome, awesome show. And he talks about like DMT and stuff with like different like old military figures and whatnot. It's very the midnight gospel. The midnight gospel. Yeah. That was an amazing show. It's an amazing show. Yeah, he should. Dude, Netflix. Uh, yeah. Netflix. Yeah. Netflix. Yeah. We don't need to get into politics and streaming services. Yeah. I was actually getting into an argument with, uh, Enrique about, uh, Disney, not Enrique, but like I was talking about boycott in Disney and Natalie and Ryan were like, what, why would you do that's capitalism for you? Oh man. No, I actually like capitalism. I wish there was more of it. You know, boycotting Disney. I agree with that. Anyway, we're going to cut it here. Thanks for listening guys. Good night. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. 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