Test Match Special

View from the Boundary - Samantha Bond

Jonathan Agnew talks to actor Samantha Bond from the TMS commentary box at Edgbaston.

Known for her roles as Miss Moneypenny during the Piers Brosnan era of James Bond, Downton Abbey, and The Marlow Murder Club, Samantha talks about knowing Bob Willis (on Blue for Bob day at Edgbaston), her experiences of stage fright, and having to kiss Piers Brosnan for three hours during a shoot.

Duration:: 39m
Broadcast on:: 27 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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Guest is a star of stage and screen appearing alongside the likes of Tia's Brosnan, Danger Duke of Dench, Bert Reynolds, Alan Lan. How on earth that name got in there, I don't know, she's played this money penny in four James Bond films. There's been pain down to Navi and many, many other celebrated roles and also here today as an ambassador of the Bob Willis Fund. Samantha Bond is lovely to see you, the game was up long before I threw the hat and you dropped it. For listeners, I did actually catch the hat and then I dropped it but that's all part of cricket. It was my peers, it's the nearest I'll ever get to being peers, Brosnan, actually throwing the hat in like that. The sad thing was that some of them younger ones, they didn't know what I was doing, I thought I was mad. Oh, yeah, I'm slightly insulted now. Well, I am too. Anyway, look, you're here first and foremost as an ambassador for the Bob Willis Fund. I am indeed. And, you know, it's, as I say to Lauren, a bit behind here, you know, these days, they're very poignant, aren't they, you know, because, you know, we all know everybody involved. And it's kind of tender sadness and what's your association with Bob and this? Oh, gosh. I first met Bob. I worked it out this morning 38 years ago and I was at a charity cricket match, which had been organised by the actor David Tomlinson, who played Mr. Banks in Memphis. Yes, it got very pop-ins, yes, OK. And other people on the team were Colin Milburn, Jon Snow, Alan Nott, and I was selling programs. Right. I was a 24-year-old actress. So that's where... Where was the game? Oh, somewhere in the country, David Tomlinson's backguard, you know, the local village green. It wasn't... It was just for a charity very dear to his heart, but that's where the friendship began and he was an incredibly loyal theatre supporter. And I was coming through Birmingham today and I suddenly remembered that when I was about 26, I was playing the Birmingham Rep. I was doing much of about nothing directed by Judy Dench, playing Beatrice opposite Ken Branners, Benedict, and the whole of that area of Birmingham was a building site. Literally, everything had been raised to the ground. The theatre was standing and one pub. And the one pub had been one of Bob's favourite pubs. And it had a landlady called Nan, Nancy, and he came to see the show and we met in the pub afterwards and it had two different bars and the actors went to the back bar. But Bob was holding court in the front bar and then one of the senior actors in the play called me aside and said, "If you don't introduce me, I will never speak to you again." Oh, right. So yeah, lots of him, but obviously here today to support Blue for Bob. Yes. I'm dressed in blue, radio listeners can't see that. I think Vic Marks went to that pub, it wasn't the Rose and Crown, was it something like that? He was talking about it this morning where Bob used to, yeah, used to hold court in there. It was a very small pub and he was, of course, very tall. Prince of Wales, was it? That was the one. Maybe something like that, having a voice in mind. Yes, so he had to creep in, I mean he was, I mean he was a heroic cricketer. Yes, he was. And when he really was. And in a way, we were talking about again earlier, not really built for fast ball, it was so tall and not, he's not sort of a big strong muscly type, it was very lean, wasn't the angular sort of figure. And it was just, I think one of the loveliest things about it is that I don't think surely anybody else has had their bowling action copied by people who can't bowl and have actually resulted in two test wickets that I've seen. Oh, really? I've seen Alan Lamb in Calcutta when nobody else could get a wicket and the game was dead steaming in from the boundary at one end with his Bob Willis impersonation, arm pumping and everything else. And he lobbed out this ball which was probably missed with LBW, actually given out by a home on par, which is virtually unheard of, but in the dumpas in those days, never gave anybody. So that was LBW Lamb and then Alistair Cook against India again, actually at Trent Bridge, gained dead or presumably, did a Bob Willis impersonation from our end radical variant, he bought a horrible delivery to Ishaan Sharma that was just down the leg side, somehow Sharma got a bit of bat on it and yeah caught behind. So there's two wickets through Bob Willis impersonations and that can- Great legacy to leave. Well, isn't it? I can't think that that could have happened to anybody else, but it is a serious message isn't it? And that's the point. You know, you try and make these things well interesting and you know, you're obviously trying to get people to donate and so on, but it is that a serious thing. I think there are two things about a day like today and obviously any donations are gratefully received and I'll give you details later. But also it's the awareness and we women are awfully good about talking about problems, we discuss them publicly and we need you men to start talking. I don't know why, I don't know why we don't. I don't know why you don't because talking's really good and the more I've been sitting next to a lovely man watching who's been through PC and he said it now happens all the time that people just talk. So apparently one of the things you need to be aware of is the change in your pee pattern. So it can either be that you pee more at night which either you may notice or your partner may notice or peeing becomes problematic, but unless you're going to talk about those things, you're not going to quite know at which point you go for help or advice. Yeah. So I think the awareness side of a day like today is absolutely as important. What you've got a little, there's a logo here, spend a penny save a life which is I guess what you're saying is it's an interesting cake that you've actually put this on. Hang on a minute listeners, last time I was on this program I didn't have a cake. I didn't know I was going to be here. So today I prepared a cake and Agass has been quite, it looks as somebody's run over it if I'm honest. There's that little chocolate brownie and it's got seven gentlemen facing a urinal with their bottoms to the viewer. Cricketers they are. They are all cricketers and they're genuine cricketers and it says struggle to pee so did he. Yeah. Well that's, yeah. But if you would like to donate, obviously you can go to the website which is the Bob Willis Fund dot org or around here there are things telling you if you text 20 which is capital letters to 70843 then you can donate immediately. That's good. Well I'm sure people are doing that a lot. Did you come and see cricket when Bob was playing or when did you start, what was in cricket then Sam? It happened really when I met my husband so we've been married 35 years this year and there were two that he's a sports lunatic so I had to embrace cricket, boxing, rugby and football. Okay. My rugby wasn't difficult because my father was a Welshman so rugby had always been a part of my life. Cricket I grew to a door I can even manage boxing. Football I find the most boring game in the world but I do remember so we're going back to the 80s when one day cricket started and I said to Bob finally I get it. I understand one day cricket great game of Bob went one day cricket doesn't exist it is not cricket so it's not and he's right it's not until you engage with a test match and I've been at games at Lords which have literally finished in the last over or been won or lost in the last over and that's five days. Yeah I know they're very special aren't they? It's a very special sport have you actually sat through an entire test match? You mean had five days the ground no because what always I mean we're so lucky doing this job we actually get to see a whole match every day every ball and so on and it's fantastic how people come and just watch a day they drop in but of course they're following it in all sorts of different days as well so you can actually follow the game properly if you like but just be able to drop in for one day maybe the Saturday like today and then there was yesterday and there's tomorrow the day after but somehow just you know coming for one day is enough well it's to be honest most of the time it's all the normal people can manage and you are very privileged yes to get five days yes the rest of us watch on the telly and then when we get the chance we go to the ground. So was your dad a decent cricket early because he was a very clean watcher right but I am not sure he'd ever played cricket beyond school right so did he did he get you into the game it really was a combination of my husband and Bob wow okay and then once you engage in it it's magical and my father was an MCC member my brother now is so most years I get at least a day at Lord's right but that's never enough do you do you enjoy that sort of atmosphere I mean it's quite traditional or feels quite traditional going there yes it's very different coming outside London yes I've been now to Birmingham and as you know to Nottingham and it's it's very different but I love looking round and it is across all classes across all colors everyone is here having a great day good well I mean it feels like it's that it's hard to tell oh it's what it looks like and sounds like and the singing well you don't sing at Lord's no no they don't are you are you sitting in the Holley's stand or you're not not beautifully positioned to watch it yes it's and indeed here it's quite interesting in there is it well when your squadians come in particular I mean if we bring them here first the first match here that's Holley's stand is can be very aggressive and it really does aggressive yes very hostile towards your Australians a lot of stick yes definitely and so it's kind of quite unsettling yes that would be yes so the England team always want to play here first so the so the Holley's the Holley's lot will get stuck into the Australians oh no it's quite there's a bit like being not being it's the same in Australia when we go there there are stands and so on they are very I know quite really quite hostile tell me about David Gao because it just it just struck me there's not an obsession that we're putting it too far but is he obsessed with me well obviously it was probably a two-way thing but you see now you went you went for lunch with him didn't you and he wrote about it in the cricketer oh that lunch yes I mean lunches have they been no that's the only one okay um I can't remember why it was for the cricketer it was and David and I had met just after I met Bob because it was David's what is the call that the retirement yet it's called the benefits yeah yes and David Tomlinson was going to introduce Gao at a lunch testimonial yes that's right yeah and so I did have a lunch with him then but it was in front of 500 people oh I see right and then recently we did a lunch for an interview for the cricketer because we thought it would be funny if it was two people who knew each other right and how did you find that oh it was lovely we only went to my local pub did you and he's here today he's here because he's he's involved in this yeah it was it was he one of your favorites to watch then oh you see the honest truth I guess is that he was just very pretty let's see it's taken me five minutes to beat that out of you yeah well I've said it now I like to think that he thinks I was quite pretty but we are going back 30 some of course absolutely but I did mention that just reading things I thought maybe you know no sorry oh no no no not that but I mean yes you thought he was yeah I used to enjoy watching him a lot yes and why was that apart from him being pretty did you oh I thought he was a very charismatic player and I remember saying him at lunch first lunch in front of 500 people and he'd scored a lovely 50 or something and I was congratulating him and he said but you know what really hurts is when you score a sweet 27 and no one mentions it oh okay and I thought that was kind of bewitching and sort of touched me as an actor because you know the people who are playing the starry leads and they get over and then sometimes you watch and there's a smaller part being played with such detail and such finesse so yeah it all goes unnoticed yeah yeah what are modern the modern players do you have you come up with any of them or anything you stand out as being you see you'd asked me that question last year I'd have known who they all were but I've been filming all summer so I'm a bit down right on current yes well that's fair enough well what are you filming what what's been I'm filming something called the Marlow Murder Club so I traveled up from Marlow last night right and I will travel down to Marlow on Sunday night and it's it's charming I mean it's a gentle murder mystery right which which have incredibly popular aren't they yeah yeah so what what what what's your role in that you're Miss Marple yes okay Miss Marple but younger but no it's great and it's beautifully written and it's funny and it's the plots are incredible but it's also in terms of viewing it's inoffensive so there isn't violence they're emerges yes you know as I get older I don't want to watch violence I don't need to hear people swearing you couldn't stand in the street for that so it's nice gentle television but really really well written and the plots are hugely challenging who's written these various people right it was started by Robert Farah good who created death in paradigm yes of course my wife is obsessed with oh well she'll love it then you must get really it's quite complicated you have to go to free view and then you have to go to UK TV and then look under drama and then you'll find the Marlow Murder Club right okay well yeah if she likes that she'd love it I'll put her on to her because it's such a varied life that you have isn't it yeah to be an actor it must be it must be incredible I mean I suppose I presume that when you start out perhaps you can't be terribly selective and you kind of take what comes do and then actually the better known you become and then and the more flexible you are yeah I guess you can have more will be all choosy can you and I think the most important thing to say is how much of it comes down to luck so when I was 24 Ken Branagh wanted to play Romeo he had been at the RSC and he said the RSC I'd like to play Romeo and they said we're not doing that next season so Ken being Ken said oh well I'll do it for myself then and then he couldn't find a Juliet and he knew all the young actresses who were at the RSC and then he asked a casting director in Manchester and she said well we've just seen a really interesting young woman called and then I met Ken and then we played Romeo and Juliet and that changed an awful lot it must be an awful lot yes we played it in a tiny studio theatre in Hammersmith in West London he paid us all 100 pounds a week he directed as well he directed it and played Romeo of course he did keep Branagh but that led to my first lead on television it led to my first Western play it ultimately led to me going to the RSC and the rest is a lot of history yeah the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live Ryan Reynolds here for I guess my hundredth mid commercial no no no no no no no no no no honestly when I started this I thought only have to do like four of these I mean it's unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month how are there still people paying two or three times that much I'm sorry I shouldn't be victim blaming here give it a try at midmobile.com/switch whatever you're ready $45 up from payment equivalent to $15 per month new customers on first three month plan only taxes and fees extra speed slower above 40 gigabytes of details my dad works in B2B marketing he came by my school for career day and said he was a big row as man then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend my friends still laughing me to this day not everyone gets B2B but with LinkedIn you'll be able to reach people who do get a hundred dollar credit on your next ad campaign go to linkedin.com/results to claim your credit that's linkedin.com/results terms and conditions apply linkedin the place to be to be Lux interesting isn't it because I hear a lot of just in my little world cricketers talking about oh I'd be very lucky to do this and then yeah I'd be lucky to do that and I think yeah okay I know what you mean and initially there might have been a bit of luck but actually you've got once that doors open a tiny bit through luck you've got to kick the door in you know you've you've got to go through whole hearted in then it actually isn't so much luck then it's it's skill it's experience yeah yes and it's working it's what you can do working at your job practicing your skill and never being complacent I think is also yeah we were quite intimidated to subject I mean sounds like almost plucked from obscurity to end up doing that playing Julia in that situation you know I wasn't because I was twenty four I think all the fear comes later so I didn't have a stage fright until I was in my mid 30s because really well you when you're in your 20s you know you can do anything yeah it's when you get older and that continues because now I have a certain for want of a better word reputation so when you do something people expect of you and that's much more frightening than when people had no expectations at all that's interesting and and do about by stage fright what do you mean what is it oh what is it oh it's terrifying and you stand in the wings and you can't breathe which is quite important as an actor and sometimes I shake and when I say I shake I shake from head to foot I did my first ever musical five or six years ago it was dirty rotten scoundrels and I had to sing that would be terrifying it's terrifying yeah if you're not if you're not a professional singer and I would stand in the wings and I'd start to shake and I had about five women who were going to come and join me in the song eventually I know they would literally push me very gently onto the stage really yeah yeah and does that happen every night but you do are you anxious no not every night with the musical it happened for six weeks so that was exhausted it is if that's absolutely exhausting yeah when I do theatre but I love it I just go bouncing out there and just enjoy it yes but you're chanting aren't you yeah yeah I'm not following a script no exactly it's very different when you're trying to follow with script and yes you're relying on other people too a lot I mean I have to rely on Phil Tuffnell which is pretty tricky that's one yeah that's tricky that is tricky but but you are relying on people well yeah remembering their lines and performing well yeah too yeah one of the exciting things about being on stage with people like Dame Judy and Dame Maggie which I've been lucky enough to work with both is that it's like being on stage with a thoroughbred racing horse and because they are so exquisitely brilliant and challenging to be on a stage with you up your game sort of in order not to let them down hmm yes so things like that are incredible yeah and buy okay so buy brilliant but what what makes an actor be like that what is it about them that elevates I mean I can watch okay watch David Garbating and I can see that it's brilliant at a level above most others what is it about the people that you've mentioned that you can say well they're brilliant mind but what do they do that makes them brilliant I think both of those women are instinctive actresses and I think both of them can turn on a sixpence and both of them is the word mercurial that they just move effortlessly through a script or a situation both of them can change their performance nightly because people always think we do the same thing on stage it isn't ever the same because the audience is never the same that's interesting and both of them were great teachers of listening to watch your house the audience is giving you and responding hmm Imelda Staunton's my favourite yeah she's very good to name Imelda to you yes of course I do know her yes you would I mean she's just again one of those amazing all-rounders yes yes I've seen her on stage or by herself singing and dancing and well she can do both of the big classic plays and the musicals yeah and presumably you you'd have worked with Jim Carter her husband on on downton yep he's a big cricket fan I worked with Jim a hundred years ago there was a film called Eric the Viking right and Jim MacArthur and Jim Broadmett bent were both playing murderous Vikings who were trying to have their wicked way with me right this is all before the credits rolled and I got stabbed through the heart by both of them and then I came back in Valhalla with Viking heaven right so I've been in for very long okay I know I mean he does love cricket and of course those two of them run hamster cricket club together he's yeah well we've got to get on to them big one then I mean you must I mean do you like talking about money penny or do you get bored with being asked about money penny because you've done you've done so much else and I've sort of tried to hang it back a bit because I don't want you to think it's always it's like me in the leg over people say or the leg over thing okay oh I don't know about the Lego the leg over not Lego oh the leg over yes I thought we were going to talk about Lego no it's only not the leg over and so you sort of think hmm I do know about another thing about that so he's had a bit like if you and bonded money penny you know that yeah it I mean it it was a lovely time and and I was just saying to your friend Nick Owens that the big difference it made to my career was the amount of charity work I could do right because the British press will come out they still prefer to money penny as a bond girl which she is no she's not certainly not but that was the big change and also that it didn't end my career because it finished the career with two money pennies before me because I just they just got type cost yes Lois Maxwell was so frustrated at what had become of her life and so I'm grateful that it happened and but apart from the thing that you haven't mentioned yet that I know you want to mention there aren't many stories to tell really which story do you think I want to mention well there was a Friday night I was going filming on the Monday a Friday night my fax machine suddenly fired into life and a rewrite appeared so I read the rewrite which film was this one I had no idea I'm not very good at time one of the bond and then I'm sitting and make up a pine wood on the Monday morning and Pierce comes in and he says to his friend who he has trained to be his makeup artist he said so what are we starting with him and his friend said we're starting with the scene when you kiss money penny and out of the dressing room came a series of expletives because neither of us it had never occurred to us that we might one day have to kiss one another because it never happened before I think you were the only money penny ever actually to kiss one don't you yeah and then what they do when you're doing an intimate scene they do what's called a close set so you have the minimum crew everyone else is sent away dead a little because it was money penny and bond they actually took walls out and put roster up so that the whole of pine wood could come and watch to watch it the two of them kiss and say that was a bit daunting and then you know there are moments they do it do you think why do they suddenly change the rules it were really because because it was always a flirtatious relation yeah wasn't it with all of bonds and all the money pennies I think it was because the world was changing and people were playing computer games and Q had invented this particular computer game and money penny decided to play it and a fantasy that's what happened yes because it was just it was a fantasy it was a fantasy but for anyone listening of course we did have to film it for real yes and yes it did take three hours three hours you kiss piers bosom for three hours I did yeah yes I did right that's extraordinary I mean he was quite passionate was having a look at it yeah it was but I mean there's a moment when he does the full sweeping everything off the desk yes Harry Bond and then he rips buttons off shows buttons are off but because no one knew about the rewrite on the Monday morning the whip makeup department would running around pine wood trying to find a sexy black bra trying to find a blouse where the buttons could be chased I mean it was hilarious and so unmoney penny oh I don't know all right okay so yeah I was gonna ask you this question because when you're playing an established part like like money penny or piers brawls of that matter playing Bond I mean it is an easy starting point where you say well look it's it's by turn now I'm gonna do it my way or are you conscious of the way that it's been played in the past well I was very not conscious because I'd never seen a James Bond film all the way through until I was in one really no they used to pop up on Sunday afternoons had you never watched one not all the way through that's extraordinary what you got bored of before it ended yeah it's not yeah with endings was the best for the best bits all explosions and you're a boy the baddie being killed I liked musicals I liked Frida stare yes okay Jean Kelly so how did it was again a lucky thing the money penny how did that actually come about well to be completely honest about that and they were recasting we knew they were recasting and if you saw three actresses called Samantha Smith Samantha Jones and Samantha Bond who would you cast well I think I would probably go for the bond yeah and the set I mean again you imagine and I don't actually funny enough money penny she's probably only in her office all the time is she I mean these days I think the modern money is a bit more out and about yeah but I'm guessing that your money penny was basically is in her office and and that that was it so did you actually get to sort of feel and to experience the scale of what I assume a James Bond set is like I had no idea until I was in one no and when you were in it did you get to feel that it was huge you get to feel it when we were all announced and we were all at Pinewood and so the stars of Golden Eye were being announced Pierce was new I was new Judy was new and I've never seen so many press in one room really yeah it was absolutely insane but is that pressure I mean you talk about stage fright really quite honestly actually I mean I'm really surprised by that but therefore I mean were you anxious about about this at all I mean or the fact there were so many new faces made it easier I don't remember feeling anxious mainly because Pierce Brosnan is such a delight oh right so he was driving his co-stars around the pine wood set on golf buggies so we all arrive for the photo call rather giddy with excitement rather than anxiety yeah that's a lovely just a last bit about the kids because I'm intrigued by this yes before the first very first contact what are you two saying to each other be sort of you know shake hands and say good luck no no what we were both so anxious just because you were never expecting it to happen so we would rehearse the scene and then we get to the moments when the lips should meet and we'd start to laugh right and then the director would say okay could we do that again could he was an Australian actually and so we'd rehearse again and we get to the moment when the lips should meet and I mean outrageous giggles so he wouldn't know why just attention is it exactly what's going to happen no and then the director said well if you took to can't pull yourselves together I'm going to go for a take so suddenly people are shouting okay rolling and suddenly cameras are on and what films being used film is being used and so yes we went for the kiss which was very pleasant but I of course being a strawberry blonde went scarlet and because you can't kiss new people without blushing it just doesn't happen and then we got quite good at it frankly well after three hours I'm not surprised I'm glad you'd be so honest about it tell me about Alan Lam's acting because I just seems I mean all these wonderful names that we've heard you talk about in the course of the last half hour or so how on earth Alan Lam playing good in there well I did a really terrible film called what rats won't do and it opened at a cricket match and he was very famous at that time I was not and so he's sitting next to this pregnant actress and he walks out onto the crease so this is just a friendly cricket match you know there they're somewhere in the city of London beautiful ground and I can't remember what was his name anyway doesn't matter and I shouted out to my husband good luck so and so and he stood at the crease and was bold straight out right except the team who they'd engaged to get Alan out was so intimidated by who they were bowling out they couldn't know when near the wicked but no he didn't have much acting to do no acting required no except suddenly not being able to return a cricket ball yeah but he's but I saw him is loud and great company yeah we saw each other recently funnily enough well he's been through this has he I didn't know that he has yeah he and he works on this the promoting prostate care yes he does last year at a Bob Willis event and which is when I told that story and he denied it for years no he's been on here talking about it so cool yeah he's doing well look at these emails coming in because you know the trouble is with with with an actor like you Sam it you've done so much that you can only really gloss over little bits and pieces but here's much of doing Birmingham and we said I didn't see Bob Willis but Emma Thompson was in the audience that's before Ken and Emma got married of course they were married. Janice is listening to Samantha Bond on Dream of the Banders or at Milton Keynes Theatre with Sean Bean she's absolutely wonderful we all worked on to see Sean Bean but Samantha was asked thank you well what he what he liked to work with I will know much funnier question is I was once asked to compare the two of them kissing so I kissed Sean Bean and Pierce Brosnan in the same year that's not a that's not a bad little bit of grouping is it but the kissing is a very different that's all I'm prepared to say I wish people could see your face and I've gone slightly pink. Well no it's it's great. So a last a last chat about Bob just that's why you are here I mean what what are you hoping to get out of and and you know that Lauren and the family all get out of day because it because it is difficult and I mentioned at the start you know to have the McGraw day on the spouse day it is it is very poignant how do you do you do you do Bob so well yeah they are very bittersweet yes I think don't cry I think having the time to remember I think if we can raise awareness if we can get people talking you know one of the great things that the fund does is is putting money into research to try and get a test that is quicker and more accurate I think days like today bring hope yeah yeah that's why we're all here I think Bob would make you for this because he he wasn't someone who sought publicity that's so he was he was he you know the thought of everyone coming here and wearing wearing blue and all of that one door I think he made the fuss yes but tough because it is it is doing good in it I mean I don't know what people the testing seems to be so also random and quite difficult to get you know I remember actually when I interviewed Adam a couple of years ago right I'm gonna go and get this PSA test I've never had one he was quite horrified actually but the process I know I'm sure a lot of men are listening who would I'm sure agree that it's not just that my doctor's surgery but it's difficult getting them you know it's difficult to persuade the doctor that you should have a test well my husband's been lucky because one of the statistics of course is that if your father or brother has had it your chances higher and my father in law did have it and had treatment and is well but it means that my husband does get a PSA without too much fuss my own dad had it and he had a different treatment and he survived as well because the other thing I think it's important that if if it is treated properly and quickly enough it is not cute it is oh I had great word it's treatable manageable yes yes yes it's it's getting to that point quickly enough that is part of what the fund is trying to achieve well well done for being here and supporting the family Sam and I think lovely to you again and you're very much a punter last time he's had quite a good day I think at Trent Bridge really well think it had he's stuck he's stuck with it blaming my husband so they do it well no no but and good luck I'm going to make a note of that that that program that my wife will yeah she can enjoy it very much yeah she's obsessed with death and paradise it's just on it's just all the time there's a channel that shows it works in nonsense really yeah so yours will be a winner good so lovely to see you thank you so much again the tms podcast from BBC Radio 5 live even when we're on a budget we still deserve nice things quince is a place of scoop up stunning high-end goods for 50 to 80% less and similar brands they have buttery soft cashmere sweater starting at $50 luxurious Italian leather bags and so much more plus quince only works with factories that you safe ethical and responsible manufacturing get the high-end goods you'll love without the high price tag with quince go to quince.com/style for free shipping and 365 day returns hey it's Nora McInerney host of the head start embracing the journey this is season 2 and if you're new here these are real conversations with real people living with chronic migraine this is a show that creates a little more space for empathy and understanding around asking questions and asking for help so don't wait jump into the conversation and learn a little more about life with chronic migraine listen to the head start embracing the journey on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to podcasts (upbeat music)