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Showdown Episode 111 7-25-24
(upbeat music) - Welcome to Showdown. I'm Mark Casen. And it's Thursday, July 25th. And I can tell you that in a matter of 10 days, the world has changed so dramatically that it's pretty incredible. However, in a very short period of time, you all are going to hear, certainly a friend of mine who is strongly pro-Trump. No, that's okay. - I want to live with you. - Yeah, can you hear me now over there, Jim? - Yeah, it was a little bit of status. Not as bad as last time. - Okay, good. Okay, so the bottom line is we're being joined by my friend and did you, you want to write your name in so that, so people can see or if you want to hide. - You can't see me? - No, I see you, but you just don't have your name in there. - Oh, I typed it in. - Oh, did you? Okay, oh, well, no problem. So, I don't know why it's not showing, but your name is Jim Modeland, right? - Yeah, it's showing on the screen. - There it is, now it is, yeah. Okay, so Jim, you are strongly pro-Trump, right? - I am. - Okay, and the interesting thing is, is that we have become friends over a period of years and strictly from Facebook. - Yeah. - Yeah, so, you know, one of the things that the latest rally that Trump did is, you know, he said, you know, people asked him to be nice and he said to the audience, and you may have seen this, he said, "Do you want me to be nice?" And they said, "No, we don't want you to be nice." He says, "Well, good, 'cause I'm not going to be, okay?" So, the thing, the thing is, let me ask you, how do you feel about that? Because I know that you've been a little rough online with some people, you were rough on me at the beginning, but then we became, but we became friends and then, you know, none of that. So, yeah, how do you feel about his behavior? - Here, let me back up just a second here. - You bet. - So, if you could understand this. I absolutely, back in what, 2016, when he first ran, I absolutely, my whole life, I couldn't stand out and throw. - Okay. - Never been a fan of his. Didn't like a show, didn't like him as a person. I did like the idea of him being on the, is that's you there? Thanks, thank you. I did like the idea of him being on the, you know, being a business man, and being on the, sorry, that's my walk-in. - No, it's all right. - Did you want me to see you? - Uh, I can have Sean call you. - Just talk back up here. - Yeah, okay. And anyway, you know, I loved the idea of, you know, I told you the other day, I back in the '90s, I was a late '80s, early '90s, I was a Democrat. - Right. - It's so, I thought, you know, I voted for Jesse Jackson back in the day, and then Ross Perot even. I actually couldn't stand, you know, who he was and what he was all about. And, but I did like the fact that he said what was on his mind, sometimes too much. I couldn't stand his Twitter account. And then when he became president, he was, he was, you know, it's hard to really explain, but he felt like it feels like he's closer to being in the everyday Joe than any other candidate that I've ever seen. He says what's on his mind, I don't think we're ever left wondering what's on his mind. And I think he did a phenomenal job as president, even being attacked for those first four years, you know, from the Democrats, the media and everything else. And that's when I became a very staunch reporter, or not reporter, excuse me, supporter of his. And actually when, you know, when he ran again and all that craziness that went down, you know, I don't like everything he does by any means. You know, he does some stuff that I don't agree with. I think by far he is the best we have going for us right now to turn this country around. I don't know about you, but between 2016 and 2020, 2021 was the best economy had. I've been in the car business for 32 years. And it's been 15 years since we've had, since we had those kind of years. I mean, it was phenomenal years. So you sold a lot of cars? So a lot of cars, the economy seemed to be doing a lot better. You know, 401k is like a lot of friends that, you know, work for Boeing and some of these bigger companies were tripling, quadrupling, and they just absolutely loved it. They became big supporters. And, you know, like I said, we all said the same thing. And we wish he'd turn his Twitter account off. You know what I mean? There's not everything I love about him. I mean, he's not somebody that I want my, you know, and look my kid, I'm going to show my kids and say here, I want you to grow up to be this guy right here. You know, he's not a perfect human being by any nation, but I think he's the perfect candidate for president. - Yeah. And a lot of people say that, you know, that's for sure. But there are certainly a few things that have developed since 2016 that may add to some people's concerns. And I'm going to ask you, for example, the obvious is that he's now a convicted felon. How do you feel? - I don't think he was a convicted felon, to be honest with you. I think that was the biggest sham thing I've ever seen in my entire life. I mean, that judge had it out for him. We were in New York. I mean, let's face it. That was a, that whole thing was a king of a record. You know, they took that, they tried to get him on that what year or two years earlier, they took it to the FBI and they said they wanted nothing to do with it. - Well, the FBI is responsible for bringing a case to court. That's the first thing. It's a grand jury that has to do it. - And the grand jury is what I meant to say. - Okay, and the grand jury, they always, I mean, as soon as it was put in front of the grand jury, they voted to indict him. So yeah, now there was under Cyrus Vance, the previous prosecutor, he had decided not to pursue it. So that I think is maybe what you're referring to. But when he decided not to pursue it, there were some different reasons. But in any event, when the current prosecutor decided, he went to the grand jury, the grand jury said yes. If I said to you and believe me, I pretty much know, I think what you're gonna say, but if I say to you that the trial, as it existed that we saw in New York, that that's exactly the way every trial takes place, that that's totally normal. If I say that to you, does that convince you of anything? - No, I don't think that that's the way every time they scare it, it takes place. I mean, here, you've watched anything since then, and I'm sure you have, I'm sure you do tons of-- - Sure, sure. - They, I mean, the way they shut him down on everything they tried to do. And, you know, we were talking about this yesterday, I was just talking to him with somebody, I could tell you exactly what, I had topped my head right now, I got a million things going on. - Sure. - I can't think exactly what I was trying to say, but it was, they were, there was a bunch of stuff during that trial that literally just wasn't what, what happened in a normal trial. I mean, the judge was very, very, very much against Trump, it was, you could tell that from the get-go. And I mean, it just, I've never seen it like it, obviously it wasn't why, but I was watching the coverage during the old-- - Sure. - And of course, obviously it depends on the station, you turn it on, I'm not a fan of either one of CNN or Fox, I'm not a Fox fan by any means. I try and find the most impartial thing I could possibly find. I think at one point I was watching it on "Seats Man" even. And then, you know, actually, I do know it's a conservative site, but I was watching some on Newsmax as well. - Sure. - But it's just, I just don't agree with it. I mean, the guy's 77 years old, he's never had a felony conviction in his life, and all of a sudden now he's got 34 or whatever it is. I mean, the guy don't just decide to become a convicted felon, or become a felon when he's almost 80 years old. - Well, if I were to say to you, 'cause believe me, this is the sort of thing we talk about all the time. And let me say even before I say this, that originally the idea, which we're going to do, is gonna be to bring in your other two friends, at least, because you can have as many as you want. And then you'll have some people that can, you know, jump in and back you up on some of this as well. But for example, if you look at the case down in Mar-a-Lago, would you agree that that judge from the beginning has been in favor of Trump? - I don't think from the beginning, but at the very end when they just threw that case, you're talking about the one they just threw out. They just threw that out right after they came back and said that they were, what did they just, the Supreme Court just came back and said that he's-- - The immunity thing, but it was-- - He has immunity, but only on what acts as president, I believe. - Yeah, but that wasn't the reason she threw it out. She threw it out because she said the prosecutor was improperly put on the case. - Well, look at the way they did it. I mean, they went in with a freaking hit squad to come in and go after documents. And I mean, did you see pictures from that day? - Yeah, but the FBI says it's always like that. - Well, of course, they're gonna say that the FBI is probably one of those broken departments we got. But they, here they went. - Then they get Biden and then they find documents with Biden in a garage and did the scene look like that? - No, but that's because Biden gave them everything without any argument and Trump was hiding it. - Trump was never hiding anything they knew what he had. - Well, his people say, and these were his people. They say that number one, Trump said flood the room and second, so that they couldn't get it at anything. And the second thing that his people said was that Trump said, well, listen, get rid of that stuff, get it out of here so nobody can find it. I mean, that's why they are being prosecuted in this case too. Of course, now it's thrown out. But here's the other thing about throwing it out, Jim. This is interesting. Every time that Judge Cannon, alien cannon, did something in favor of Trump, they appealed it to the 11th district which is where they are in South Florida. And by the way, that was the same thing in New York. Every time that they ruled in favor of the prosecutor in New York, it was appealed. Now on those appeals, Trump lost those appeals in New York. In Florida, both times that there were appeals, the 11th district came back and said, Judge Cannon, you're acting crazy, you can't do this stuff. Now, they haven't come back on the third one yet, but if on the third one, the 11th district says the same thing, they're gonna throw her out. But this is just legal rules. And I understand that people don't always understand what those legal rules are. And I don't know, have you ever been in a court case yourself? - Have I ever been in a court case? - Yeah, yeah. Well, I have, and I can tell you that the judge ruled on lots of different things against us throughout the case and in the end, the jury believed us anyway. But the judge did exactly the kind of thing you're talking about. He kept ruling against us. He was a conservative judge. And this was a case having to do with radio. And in the end, we still sort of got short changed because he wouldn't allow evidence in for the value of the radio station. So the jury didn't even really know how much money to give us. So I'm just saying, these things happen in courtrooms, not just to Donald Trump, to anybody. But I know in this case, because of where we are and the politics, there's no question, your side feels it wasn't fair. - Yeah, I mean, I agree with you that it happens to everybody, depending on where you're at, obviously this is on a much bigger scale. - Sure it is. - Let's face it, this has been an absolutely crazy year. I mean, everything that's happened right now is the first and just about everything, from all the way down to the point, from him getting indicted to all the way down to Joe Biden dropping out of the race. - Sure. - I mean, this is stuff that I don't think either one of us, whatever thought we'd have seen in our lifetime. - So by the way, how do you feel about Joe Biden being pushed out? - You know what? Hair. Obviously, think Joe Biden obviously has, he's got serious issues as far as with his health and mental capacity. What I don't like about him being pushed out is the fact that he was voted in to be the candidate by the American people. - Sure. - I mean, you know, push politics aside here and you know, who I stand for, you stand for, you know, he was pushed out and by, and he was voted, you know, the American people are the ones who said we want him to be our candidate. - Well, the Democrats, right. - Yeah, the Democrats, the Democrats. - Yeah. - And, you know, so it remains to be seen what happens with the DNC from here as to how they handle this. Obviously, Kamala Harris is the front runner, but, you know, how do you just, you know, there has to be some kind of a, some kind of a vote, there has to be, there has to be some kind of say-so-from-the-American people or it's not going to sit well with a lot of people. You know, including me, obviously, you know, I got a lot less to lose here. I'm not a Democrat, but still, I'd like to see things going back to a little bit more normality here. You know what I mean? What, I mean here, but let me ask you, what do you think of how it happened? - Well, and I'm going to answer it by doing it in this way. You notice that an enormous amount of people have jumped on the bandwagon with Kamala Harris, that they like her, they think this is a good thing. And I can tell you, as an example, there were 200 people every day, roughly, that were volunteering for the Democratic Party to help in this election, up until the switch. And the day of the switch, 28,000 people jumped in to volunteer for Kamala Harris. Does that sound a little impressive? - You know what, I honestly don't know. I find it insane that there would be that many people that would actually stand up for Kamala Harris. I mean, Kamala Harris has had one job since she's been the Vice President, and that's the border, and she's been horrible at it. I mean, here I was watching videos of her speeches she's made since she's been Vice President. And I mean, she's loony. I mean, she's almost a female version of Joe Biden, a younger female version of Joe Biden. - Yeah, well, I think she is with the ability, however, to speak clearly. Sometimes, I mean, but there's times when she was talking about, I don't know if you've seen that one speech where she was rambling on, there's about 10 of them that I posted on my Facebook site. And it's just ones I found within a minute, and they were speeches she did that were just absolutely made no sense. And she was talking about, you know, and yesterday is gonna be like tomorrow, and tomorrow is because of yesterday, and it kept going back and forth, and everybody's looking at her like, what is she talking about? But she's a little wacky, there's no doubt. I think they like the idea of having the first female president. I think they like that. I think that's it. I think they think that's her best chance. Their best shot at beating Donald Trump, because Joe Biden would not have beat Donald Trump. I don't think there was any chance that that was gonna happen, especially after the debate and what was happening with the South. Right now, you know, she's doing better than Joe Biden, but let's face it, this just happens. So nobody really knows what the polling is right now. - Yeah, so let me ask you this, Jim. If she wins, which is a question a lot of people are asking candidates, so if she wins personally, Jim Modlan, what would you say, would you think it's rigged, or would you say she won? - I would say it would depend on how it went down. You know, if we had a normal election that went down like normal elections do, that don't stretch three weeks into, you know, votes porn and, you know, I remember the last election where I stayed up all night long watching it. I remember watching one of the states, one of the battleground states, and 23,000 votes come in, and all 23,000 went to Biden and zero to Trump. I think it, wait a minute, did I just see that? - Well, you know that the courts looked at all of that, and not only in 60 cases out of 60, did they say that there was absolutely no fraud at all, but on top of that, the Secretary of States, in those various states, all said that everything was done appropriately, and they were often Republican Secretaries of State. - Don, I don't believe it for a second. Did you watch the show "2000 Meals"? - No. - You owe it yourself to watch that. That's strictly pure facts of a study that that one guy did that makes all those movies and stuff. I can't think of his name. I think he's Indian, I believe. - Oh, "Dynesticism"? - Yes, yes, and they did a study of that night, using cell phone technology of how they were going around and stuffing ballots, and if you watch that show, and it's hard to explain, but if you watch it by the end of the show, you're thinking, wow, this is crazy. But it's here, everybody, let's face it. Everybody out there that's Democrat are even even close to being a Democrat if a Republican says it was rigged, they think you're crazy. There's several different types of rigged, as far as voting early voting, mail-in voting, I was sent what we get. I think me and my wife and my oldest son each got two or three ballots. I think it was two ballots in the mail. We didn't ask for ballots. - Okay. - We vote in person, we always have. It's just a big belief of mine. I think the military should be able to vote, and through the mail, I think the people that handicap should be able to vote through the mail, but I don't think there's any reason to have people voting through the mail that doesn't need to vote through the mail. I mean, do you remember all the elections before this last one, where we knew who the winner was on election night, there was no going on, three weeks still counting mail and voting. I mean, it was just absolutely absurd. - Yeah, actually in some places that does happen. But let me give you an example, Missouri, where we are, is really good at allowing mail-in ballots. But we mail-in votes, huge amounts. In fact, I just got a thing in the mail the other day saying, you know, if you can't handle this, make sure that you contact so-and-so because you can mail in your votes. I mean, Missouri goes to great lengths to allow these things to be mailed in. And yet, Donald Trump won by an enormous amount in Missouri, even with mail-in ballots. So, what does that tell you? - Well, I don't think they're gonna do it strictly in democratic, I mean, typically in democratic states because that would be a little obvious at that point. Well, wait, Georgia is a Republican state. And Raffensberger in Georgia, the Secretary of State told Trump in that phone call that we heard taped. He said, you know, you lost. And Trump said, well, I only need 12,000 votes. Just tell people that we recalculated. Does that bother you? - You're talking about when he said fine, 12,000 votes? - Yeah, yeah. - Now, you know what, I think at that point, that point was probably by, was that getting into January by that point? - Oh, no, no, no, no, no. - It was in December, maybe. - Yeah, it was in December. - Okay, it wasn't right after the- - Well, it was pretty close, pretty close. - And I think, do I think what he said was wrong? - Absolutely. - Okay. - You know, I'm not gonna sit here and try that crazy and say no, but I mean, he is, you know, that shouldn't have ever been said. There's, you know, there's a lot of stuff that was done wrong. I think he was frustrated, like over that whole January or six riot thing. I mean, the guy flat out told everybody to go peacefully, go peacefully, you know, make the case. - At the end. - They tried to blame him for that. I mean, that's insane. They were doing, and then they, and then finally Pelosi, didn't she finally admit recently that she's the one that held off for three hours of Senate, the National Guard? - No, Trump said that, and she denied it. - I thought she actually- - I heard her deny it. But Trump said that exactly what you're saying. - Well, the head of the Capitol police, the head guy, I watched the video, I did watch the interview with him, and he said that, now he didn't say Pelosi. He just said that he kept calling his contacts saying, "And we please get them down here now." And it was almost three hours before they actually sent anybody down. - Yeah. - That thing was set up. It was set up from the get-go. No doubt in my mind about that one. I'll fly it out, come out and say that one. That was set up. And they're trying to blame Trump over that. Trump said, "Go peacefully." He said it's plain as clear as day. - Yeah. - Well, nothing he did to make them think that they should go down there and start breaking into things. And then you find out that we got FBI agents dressed as actual regular people blending in with the crowd cheering them on, trying to get them to break into the Capitol. I mean, that's a fact. I mean, they've proven some of that. - Well, that's a fact that Trump claims, but of course- - They didn't hear it from Donald Trump. - Yeah. - I mean, that's something that's been out there. And I can't even think of the main guy's name, but here I watched it. I watched it in the house when they were having their, they were drilling some of those guys about what happened down there. And all they kept saying was that they weren't pleading the fifth, but they were doing something real similar. They just kept saying that they wouldn't answer the question. - Yeah. - When they were interviewing, the house was interviewing the FBI, the head of the FBI, and then the one of the main agents that was down there dressed as in street clothes. And they would not talk about it. And I mean, it was obvious what happened. And we might be getting off the subject. - No, no, no, listen, any subject is fine. So what I'm going to say is this, first of all, I really appreciate the half hour that you just gave us, okay? And this is what we're going to do. We're going to get some of your other friends. And we're going to come on pretty regularly and let you guys tell your story. And obviously you can see that I'm not jumping down. I wouldn't jump down your throat. So there's either, you know-- - There's a reason why we're friends. - No, that's right. - You're the one guy that's on Facebook. And the reason why we started talking, that even when people would jump on you, there was no rattling your cage to make you come back and start calling people names. - No, no, I wouldn't do it. - I've gotten out of that. I've calmed down dramatically. I still both voiced my opinion. But you know, I don't like to hear. I believe that you can be friends of somebody and have totally different political views. I just think that's the way it should be. - Well, I think that in this country, we've done that for 248 years. - I know. - And all of a sudden we've gone berserk. But no, but I really appreciate you tremendously. And I look forward to hearing your friends as well. And we're going to have some fun here. - That sounds good, man. - Okay, Jim. Listen, by the way, first of all, I know you're a car dealer. And what do you sell? - We sell a little bit of everything. We got a lot of SUVs. We got a few horseshoes and Teslas and a lot of SUVs down here. Autoplex of Afton on Graboy down here at Afton. But it's a good friend of mine's lot. I've been down here helping them out for the last month. - Okay. Yeah, because you've got a real history in the car business. You know what you're doing. - Yeah, you know, I know you do. So, okay, and really, again, I just want to say that I really appreciate you. And we'll talk again. - Sounds good, Mark. - Okay, Jim, thank you. - You have a good day, sir. - You bet. Okay, so that was our first attempt to bring in the other side a little bit. And let's hear what some trumpers have to say. And we talked earlier about this trumper thing and he said, no, that's okay. Trumper, they like that. So, you know, that's good too. So, anyway, I don't know, you can let me know if we still have any scratchiness in the microphone because I was a little concerned that it might be something to do with the connection with his computer. So, we're gonna have to work on that next time. 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They don't know what to do. Everybody's blaming everybody else. Now, one of the things that Trump said, and I did talk to Jim about this, but I'm not sure if we were on the air at that point, but they had a big rally. And Trump said to the people that some political experts are suggesting that Trump try to be a little different, try to be kind and generous and caring. And Trump said, what do you think? Should I be good or should I be bad? And his crowd said, bad, be bad. And Trump said, well, that's good because that's what I was gonna do anyway. So Trump's back to where he was. And that's why there isn't a chance that he can win this thing. The only chance he's had, which all along, it's been like this, you know, if Donald Trump could act like a human being, there are people out here who would vote for him, but he reminds everybody, every day, that he's a disaster. And so they just don't want any part of him. And let's look at a couple of ideas here of what Donald's saying. Now, who would say this? Who would say that the United States is a stupid country that we are purposely intentionally bringing murderers into this country? Because we want to be a country filled with murderers, according to him, it's the Democrats who are doing this. And we've become a dumping ground for criminals. I mean, you could say these words. Doesn't make any sense. As you know, Joe Biden said, which is the truth. I mean, these are government numbers. Our violent crime rate is down to a 50 year low. And yet 75% of the people polled by Gallup, they say the crime is at a 50 year high, 75% of the people polled. Well, they're just wrong. They may think it, but it's just not true. But it is what they said. So anyway, that's one example of how crazy he's become. Now, here's an example of something that I think, I think Joe, you can handle this. And you're listening to me? Okay, good. If you go to our normal site, the television site, and you go to morning, Joe, and that's today's morning, Joe, and go to one hour and 26 minutes. - Of course that's going to be for your password now. It's like I let you do it. - You are kidding me. - No. - Unbelievable. - That's what I'm doing. - Now, isn't that crazy? That is so bizarre. Well, you know something? Come over here a second, because I'm going to give you the password. I mean, that is ridiculous. I am just not going to be defeated. Okay, so here is the password that is so crazy. So, okay, to one hour and 26 minutes, and when you get there, let me know because I'll tell you what they have there. It's really good. It's Ronald Reagan. And I was shocked to hear him even say it. I didn't even remember him saying it. And it just goes to show how, you know, we can all be blind to the truth sometimes because I did not like Ronald Reagan. In fact, I just liked Ronald Reagan so much that when I went to UCLA, I intentionally passed on graduating in 1972. Of course, I was 20 years old, so you can, you know, I guess I wasn't thinking straight. But at any rate, here's the thing. I refused to graduate until I could get Jerry Brown's signature on my diploma 'cause I didn't want to live a lifetime with Ronald Reagan on there. Having said that, wait till you hear what he said about immigration. I've heard people describe it, but it's nothing like what you hear when you actually listen to the man. Almost sounds like me. But anyway, it's just incredible because Trump is just going berserk in the things that he's saying again. I mean, he's bounced right back to where he was. He's reverted to lunacy, which is actually hurting him. And, you know, there's another story that's out here right now. And this one is an old story. It's three years old. Not, well, I think it's somewhere in there, 24, 25. You're looking for Ronald Reagan. Yeah. Yeah, as soon as you see him, you'll see him in a second. You're in the right place. But anyway, I can just tell you that, you know, the things that Donald Trump is saying right now, like this thing from 2021, which was actually not, it was not Trump. It was, it was Vance. And in 2021, he went on this rant about how cat ladies, that all these women in the Democratic Party running for office, they were all cat ladies without children. That is crazy. And women are so angry about it. And the truth is all Trump advanced would have to do is stand up and say, look, I lost my mind. I don't know why I said it, but they won't even do that. Okay. Let's listen to Ronald Reagan, the voice of reason. I can't believe it. - Portant sources of America's greatness. We lead the world because unique among nations, we draw our people, our strength from every country and every corner of the world. And by doing so, we continuously renew and enrich our nation. While other countries cling to the stale past here in America, we breathe life into dreams. We create the future and the world follows us into tomorrow. Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we're a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas and always on the cutting edge, always leading the world to the next frontier. This quality is vital to our future as a nation. If we ever close the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost. - That is so unbelievable. When you think about number one, what Donald Trump says all the time, talking about murderers, talking about insane people, emptying insane asylum into America. And plus, you know, and I've talked about this repeatedly, that the numbers show that the people who come from these other countries hardly commit a crime ever. Now, that doesn't mean you can't find somebody that does commit a crime, sure you can. And that's what Trump does. He pulls somebody out that commits a crime and he says, "Oh, look, they're all doing it." Well, that's not true. They aren't all doing it. And the statistics show that they're not doing it. But you just heard Ronald Reagan saying what I've been saying all along, which when I say it, people look at me like I'm crazy. I say, "Look, let these people in." First of all, it's on the Statue of Liberty, which I understand is not a law, but it is our advertisement to the world that we want people to come here. And we don't want their best. We want the hungry and the poor who are hoping to be able to find some way to breathe here in freedom. And of course, that, by the way, is brilliantly what Kamala Harris is out here talking about right now. That's her new ads are all talking about how she is the candidate for freedom. But the amazing part is now that the backup comes from Ronald Reagan. I'm in shock when I hear that. Every time I've seen that, I just can't even believe that he said it because he did a lot of bad things in the time that he was president of the United States from my standpoint for sure. I could tell you right away that in University of California system, professors were exiting UC Berkeley, UCLA, they wanted out, they would go anywhere in the country to get away from Ronald Reagan. But in the meantime, it turns out that this guy was advertising for more people to come into this country from other countries. I mean, how do you even figure that? I'll tell you, Michael, you're out there still listening and like you say, it's a cult that's Donald. But are you shocked to hear Ronald Reagan talking like that? Because that sounds like me. And when I say it, people say you're crazy. And I talk about sending a million kids down to the border in order to help these people to fit into our society. And people look at me like, oh, those kids are gonna be murdered and it's just a terrible idea and so forth. And yet it turns out it's Ronald Reagan who was pushing this idea. So, you know, if you have access to internet television, you can go this morning, like I said, I just put it in there, one hour and 26 minutes into morning Joe and he played the entire Ronald Reagan clip from, you know, 50 years ago, it's unbelievable. And look where we are. We've got people out here saying that, and believe me, we've got Democrats who are saying that these people are coming across the border causing a problem, not Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan said, if we ever stop allowing these people wide open entrance to the United States that will destroy our country, that's unbelievable. I'm in shock still saying it. Yeah, okay, so yeah, you didn't see, okay, you had walked away, Michael, but if you go into the show, you know, you can catch a rerun on the my website and all you gotta do is go to about 45 minutes in, I'll only take you a couple of minutes to do it. And you can listen to Ronald Reagan saying that we need all of these people to come into the United States that it revives our country, it rejuvenates our country, it makes us a healthy place for people to live. I mean, these were just his words. I just can't believe it was from Ronald Reagan. And yet, today at 2024, if you play that for Republicans, I guarantee you they won't even accept it from Ronald Reagan. They're still gonna say that they want these people out of here. They're still gonna talk about mass deportations. Ronald Reagan said, let them all in, let them in. We need these people. And instead, of course, we're talking about mass deportations. It's a problem. And I can assure you that there are enough people in this country who are gonna listen to Kamala Harris and Kamala is not gonna go as far as Ronald Reagan, which is pretty funny. That is funny to say, I can say here and promise you today that those words of Ronald Reagan will never come out of the mouth of Kamala Harris because there isn't a Democrat alive who would be willing to say that. I've talked to Democratic Party candidates off the air and they say, yes, that would be terrific to let all those people in. But I can't say it on the air. I can't say it publicly. You wouldn't believe the people that I'm talking about. I mean, people that I haven't even had on here yet, but they say that they can't say it because the public would annihilate them at the polls. And yet, Ronald Reagan was out here saying these things. It's quite amazing. So, okay, let's move on. How about this one? And imagine if you're Donald Trump and your party is looking at Kamala Harris and you're saying, wait a minute, what are we gonna do here? Because Kamala Harris is suddenly so popular. I mean, everybody loves her. The Democratic Party by the tens of thousands are volunteering to work for her, donating money. I talked to somebody today that said to me that he never donated to a campaign in his life. And he sent money yesterday to Kamala Harris. I'm telling you, this is no joke. This is really taking off. And if you're Donald Trump, you're looking out here and you're saying to yourself, wait a minute, how did I get in this mess? Now, he's not saying that publicly. Publicly, here's what he's saying. And if he thinks this is gonna get him anywhere, he's as nuts as his niece says he is. Suddenly he's saying, "Lion Kamala Harris, "Lion Kamala spells it out, "L-Y-I-N, apostrophe." I mean, he has lost his mind. There are women out here who do not wanna hear another woman demeaned in this way. There is no way if he keeps doing this, wait till you see these numbers in the poll. He's gonna be destroyed and I think it's gonna happen anyway. And I'll tell you, the Republican party has gone from elation right after that convention to suddenly, they're scared out of their wits. They don't know what to do. Now, granted, they're just regular run-of-the-mill people who don't understand what's happening here. They think everybody's still excited in the Republican party and so forth. But, you know, because if they watch, for example, Fox, or if they watch Newsmax or any of these other stations, they're not showing all this enthusiasm that's out here. They're not telling the story. They're not talking about the 28,000 people who showed up the very next day to volunteer for Kamala Harris after it was only 200 people per day prior to that. I mean, the Republican party is scared and the Democratic party is energized beyond belief. I mean, that's just where we are. This is just a change that came overnight. People are inspired, they're inspired by this woman. And, you know, the Republican party is out here saying, which Jim, Jim Modlan said earlier. I mean, they don't see any of it. They think she's crazy. Well, they may think it, but it's not the way it's being perceived in the Democratic party. It's going the exact opposite direction. Kamala Harris is getting enormous support and nobody is buying into this lion Kamala business. I mean, Donald better get off of that subject because there's some women out here who do not want to hear this kind of talk. Maybe he'll figure it out, maybe he won't, but I think it's too late anyway. I never thought Donald could win an election again, anyhow. So when he loses, look what Jim said. They're not going to accept it. They're just not. They say, well, if it takes too long to count the ballots, they're not going to go for that. If people are mailing in ballots, they're not going to go for that. If the results don't occur at the exact time that everybody thinks they should come through, they're not going to go for that. If they get a bunch of ballots that are counted for Kamala Harris that come in separately, they're not going to go for that. They don't care if all of this is the way it's been done in the past because it has. It truly has. Sometimes ballots get held for lots of different reasons. The question is, are all the ballots counted? And so that's what happens. They take ballots that maybe have been set aside for some reason or another, maybe even accidentally. And then they bring them in and they count them and then that's it. And sometimes there are vast changes in an election because all the ballots that are coming in might be coming in from, say, Milwaukee, where all the black voters were voting for Joe Biden. So then they come in from some outstate area in Wisconsin and all those votes go for Donald Trump. That's just what happens. They count the different areas separately. That's normal. It happens all the time. And so you have to wait until the end. Now it's true that some of these news outlets have other information as far as the polling that they do that they call exit polling. And so they have some idea of what's coming from various areas because what people tell them when they leave the polls, that's normal. That's not unusual. And so that they can make some calls that go beyond what you've got in the actual numbers. And so again, this confuses Donald Trump's people because Donald tells them that this is evidence that something is being done wrong, that the election is rigged. But it's not that at all. And there were 60 cases that went before judges. And in all 60 cases, including Trump judges, they found that that election in 2020 was absolutely perfect, that nothing was wrong. In fact, a lot of the states, and including Republican states, are saying that it was one of the best elections that we've ever had, but it doesn't matter because there are people out here who just won't believe it. Well, not only are they sure that votes were harvested as they say, which is, again, that means that they just went out and they got Joe Biden votes and they threw them in that weren't even real. But that's not true either. That all that was put in front of judges and everybody looked at it and they said, "No, this didn't happen." And then Donald's people refused to believe the judges. So it's gonna come to this anyway. I mean, let's say that Donald loses by 10 points, which I think is possible. Well, I can tell you right now, if it happens, they're gonna say it didn't happen. But here's something that is happening. This program is brought to you by Wenties and Jules on Hampton and the St. Louis suit company. And I'll be back tomorrow. I'm Mark Casein. This is Showdown.