(upbeat music) ♪ Catchy smile ♪ ♪ You got that catchy smile ♪ ♪ Stop a while ♪ ♪ Come back with that catchy smile ♪ ♪ Come back, baby, we'll fly away ♪ ♪ Come back, we'll just fly away ♪ ♪ Together, baby, but don't tell ya no no ♪ - All right, you're back on another episode. What a great punk. - Thank you. - A podcast by the band called "These New South Wales" from, well, from is quite a, you know, it's a complicated answer really where we're from, you know, but we all reside in Melbourne now now, and we're, so we're a band. We've got a show on Comedy Central called "These New South Wales", which is the same name as the band, and you can watch that all on YouTube. So do check it out if you never checked it out. And we're joined by Hatchee. - Hello. - Return guests. - Thanks for having me once again. - Yeah, you're back for the third time. - Yes. - And something's telling me it's going to be the best time. - I think so too. It's so interesting that you sit and play that music at the beginning every time you don't add it in later. - Yeah, what do you think about that? - I think it's good, maybe it's makes it more real. - Yeah, how does it make you feel? We talked about this yesterday. - Oh, did you, on the poll? - No. - Okay, good. - Off the poll. - Yeah. Do you, have you always done it that way? - Yeah. - Yeah, unless we're recording on the computer. - Yeah. - What Hatchee's referring to by the way is the fact that we play the theme music live in the room, and then we sit around and wait 'til-- (laughing) - There's a live band in the corner, it's so crazy. - Yeah, every time. - It's a lot of work. - Yeah, mixing and mastering every time. - Yeah. - No, I like it. I think it's real, it's more like radio vibes. - Yes. - Which is cool. - Yeah, cool. 'Cause the other option is you just kind of like, get in and everyone gets comfortable and you sort of just sneak and call it out. - Oh, we're just in the middle of this chat. - We just had the pod before the pod, basically. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, true. I have been in interviews and radio sessions where you like, don't realize it started. You're like, oh, okay. - That's snaking. - You feel blindsided by that? - A little bit. Like it's not in like a terrible way, like, yeah. But you never expect, I wouldn't do it that way. I was a host. But maybe they're trying to get the most natural start so it's not like. - Well, yeah, they are. We've been guilty to on that before. It's, I think, yeah, it's nice. It's respectful to say we're recording now, by the way. - Yeah, I agree. - Yeah, don't slip it on. - How much has it, the way that you do it changed over the years? 'Cause you obviously had like the COVID period and over the laptop and now you're doing it, do you do it in person every time now, no matter what or? - As many as we can. - Yeah. - Yeah, we actually try to do all of them in person. - Yeah. - And when we can't, we do them on Zoom. - And how do you find it differentiates for you? Do you prefer one way over the other? - Definitely person. - Yeah. - Definitely person. - It's way better. Like the internet's, there's been like a good ones, but you got like, when there's like a delay or something like that, it's just really, really challenging. - It's part of the skill set. - Yeah. - It's fucking hard to get a flowing conversation at the last time. - Yeah, if there's no delay, it feels like there is. - Yeah. - You're like trying to be polite and wait for the other person to finish talking and... - Yeah, it's a bit harder to read body language. - Yeah, exactly. - Are you about to speak or am I? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's tricky. - True. - Yeah, that bit's difficult. But um, so how are you going? How was your day today? Where have you come from? - I've, I worked. - Yeah. - I got sent home early, which I was very happy about. - Oh, how good is that? - It was real good. And I was supposed to work tomorrow, but I have a feeling they're going to cancel it, which is fine. So it was a good day. Nothing to report. We started watching, when I got home, the nanny diaries that Scarlett Johansson movie, if anyone remembers it, I've never seen it before. - I haven't seen that, no. - It popped up, it's a, it's, it's stupid. But there's lots of good people in it like Paul Jumadi and like... - Don't know, don't know. - Oh, you both know who he is. - Really? - Oh, I can imagine... - The whole of his teacher and like big fat liar? - Oh, I don't know this thing. - Oh my God, you guys. - Well, I can imagine his mouth ruffling. - No, he's always the bad guy. - Yeah, is he in Emp, what's the Empire? - He might be in Bulbaw Empire. - Yes. - But I don't know, I'm not sure. - Oh. - I haven't seen that. - You got the guy under the guy there. - Kind of bags under the eyes, bags under the eyes. - Yeah, yeah. - Really good. He's good. Nah, it's not, okay. - Oh, I'm showing a picture at a time. - Oh, I'm showing a picture at a time. - Okay, I got to look like Tom Green and Louis CK had a baby, that's what that guy looks like. - Are you guys thinking of Steve Bishin? - No, I know. - When you said, okay, I was gonna say. - Thinking of like an Italian-American actor. - I know the guy you're thinking of. - He's got like real nice. - He's real nasty in Bulbaw Empire. - He's always a bad guy. - Okay. - Yeah, that's right. He's got bags under his eyes. - I know the vibe. - Short hair, full like Long Island accent. - Yeah, and he sort of came out of nowhere and was in everything, but then when you look him up, he's been in shit forever too. - Right, oh, now I wanna know who you're talking about. - Yeah, who are we talking about? - Yeah. - All right, I'm looking up pictures, is it? - Yeah, gone. - Sorry to everybody listening, that there's no visual. Is it this guy? - No, it's not that guy, but that's a good guy too. - That's a good guy too. - Yeah. - What's that guy's name? (laughs) - That's a real head. - That's a real head. - I can't hear that guy. - Oh, this guy, and this is who it is, I know. - Yeah, well done. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, that's three Googles, how'd you do that? - Oh, this is all, I was just looking up Bulbaw, walking back off. It's just scrolling, that guy, this is the guy, is this the guy that's married to Rose. - He's in rom-coms now, surely. - Yeah. - Rose is gone from- - Roseburn? - Is he? - Is he the guy that's married to Roseburn? I'm scrolling through this article. - Oh my God, he might be, Roseburn is an Australian actor. - Yes. I'm finding it, scrolling. - Roseburn is on one of those awful Uber campaigns. She's really good, and I really like her. - No, her husband, so it's not that guy. You'd know. - I can't remember who the husband is. I think it might be that guy, it is that guy. - Yeah, Bobby Cannavale. - Yeah. - Anyway, the guy from Bulbaw Empire that you're thinking of- - So he's- - He's Roseburn's husband. - Right. - And that's not who I was talking about. (laughing) - You were talking about it. - I was talking about- - I was talking about Paul Giamatti, who you guys didn't recognise. - Yeah, but Louis C.K. - Oh, yeah. - Tom Green kind of. - Can I look at his head again just one more time? - I guess that's kind of a Tom Green. It's kind of one of those comedian photos where they're raising an eyebrow, which is giving the Tom Green by. - He's got a beard and- - I absolutely know this guy. - But he doesn't usually look like Tom Green. - He looks like Brad Pitt mixed with- - No. - So many things. - So many things. - Whoa. - Hang on, do I have Brad Pitt? No, who don't mean- - You don't mean Brad Pitt. - Oh, I know this guy. - What told you? - Both of them. - Also saying he looks like Brad Pitt. (laughing) - No, he looks like Bruce Willis. - No, Brad Pitt. There's no, but Bruce Willis. Imagine Bruce Willis and Die Hard. - Yeah. - Okay. - Oh, that one. - Potato head. - Yeah, with a Bruce Willis. - Yeah, I got it, all right, I'll allow it. - Mixed with Louis CK. - Yeah. - Bottom half, Louis CK. - Yeah, so what about him? How did we get there? - He was in a movie I was watching today. - Oh, okay. - See. - Nowhere near as interesting. Not a great movie, but- - What do you look for in a movie? Is it a rom-com? - When you're looking for something, when you're scrolling, what are you looking for? Like, what's going to be a good experience for you? - Depends on the day, the mood, the how much time I've got. So, I think I, well, ever since like the first round or second round of lockdowns, I've been really trying to watch all the like big movies like Blockbusters and like Oscar winners, like, you know, like a hundred movies you have to see before you die. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - All of those movies 'cause I realized when we had so much time in lockdown, I was like, if I'm ever going to watch these movies, it's now. So like stuff that I hadn't seen, like Scarface. - Oh, yeah. - Like, you know, like the big ones that everyone's seen. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, that vibe. I think which I think everyone did. But I think I've kind of been still on that train ever since then. Like, I've tried to look, if we're scrolling and we're going to have a movie night, I try to look for something that I haven't seen before. I haven't seen in a really long time. And something that's like worth watching. - Yeah. - But if I'm like-- - Worth watching is a big one, isn't it? - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, sometimes how do you know that? - I know that sometimes. - Well, yeah, yeah. - Sometimes you just know about the caliber of the crust of, you know, the cut of its jib. - Yeah. - Like you look at Batman Returns and you go, good jib. - Great jib. - Good cut, yeah. - Great cut. Or, I think there is like a time and place for trash though. - Yeah. - Which is like, hungover. I know I can't watch anything that I need to be paying too much attention to. - Yeah. - So like, when I'm hungover, I'll watch almost anything. - Yeah. - But not anything too, like, serious or-- - You completed a Twilight puzzle recently. - Oh, I did. - An Edward Cullen. - Yeah, that one actually is a kind of, it's because I told my friend I wanted to re-watch all the movies. And she had recently re-watched all the Harry Potter's after re-reading its book. So she'd read book one, watch movie one, read book two, movie two, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, I really wanna watch all of the Twilight's again. Do you wanna watch them? She was like, yeah, but we have to read the books. And I was like, I don't know if I can do that. She was like, that's really what I'm doing yet. So I was like, okay, fine, compromise. So I read Twilight and I was like, I finished reading Twilight. How are you going? She was like, I haven't even got the book yet. And I was like, fuck, I just do stuff. Stitched up. I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna move on to New Moon 'cause I'm on a roll now. And then you kinda get in this habit of reading shit books 'cause they're so easy to read, I swear. That's the only reason. And then I read the second one and I was like, I finished the second one. Let's do this. She was like, oh, I just started Twilight. And I was like, and then I got the puzzle. I was actually just looking for any puzzle to pass the time 'cause I'm trying to spend less time on screens. - Yeah, okay, no. - And that was just like, funnily enough, the least ugly puzzle that I could find. - Yeah, where'd you get it? - A game store across the road from my work. - Okay, yeah. - That's it. - It was really good. My boss let me go just when it was acquired afternoon. She was like, go look at the puzzles. - I'm arse. - It's really nice. But it was actually the hardest puzzle I've ever done 'cause it's all gray and beige. - Yeah. - So just like, really, everything looked the same. - I'm fucking hard to do. - Did you contemplate at any point during the puzzle making or framing it? - Yes, there were a lot of those jokes thrown around. I didn't consider it, but everyone was like, well, you gotta frame it now. - Yeah. - But I also conveniently got sick like the second day of it. And I was like, okay, well, this is my life now. - Yeah. - Anyway, still haven't re-watched Twilight with that friend. But I feel like I'm living there. - Oh, you've read the book. - I've read the book and I've done the puzzle. I've done everything else. - And what do you think? Were they good, like the books? - Awful. - Awful? - So worse than I remembered. - Okay. - Actually, the first one's not as bad somehow. Why was it so popular then if it's so bad? - I don't know. I think it's the fantasy of a whole guy falling in love with you and you being his only one. Maybe like the only one that he will break all the rules. - Oh, and he's also like, he's a fixer up or like, he's a fixer up job. - Yeah, I can fix him. - Yeah. - It's that thing as well. - Yeah. - Isn't it? - Maybe like I can change him. - Yeah. - I can help him. - That mentality. - Yeah. - It's just crazy 'cause you really can't-- - No, you can't fix them. - He's been alive for like hundreds of years. - Yeah, and he will suck your blood. - He will suck your blood. Oh, you know what? Maybe we watched recently. Was Interview with a Vampire. Have you guys seen that? - Oh, it's really stupid. - Oh, it's not good. - It's worth watching. - Why is it called that Interview with a Vampire? - Well, it's based on a book and it's in the movie, Christian Bale, Christian, not Christian Bale, Christian, who's the one from Heather's. It's later. - Christian Slater. - Is interview, is it just like a normal guy in current day or like 90s when the movie was made, interviewing this vampire who's hundreds of years old. - Right, okay, Tom Cruise. - Yeah. - That's kind of cool. - Yeah. And then the whole movie is like retelling his story and it was like Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, and I think it was Kirsten Dunst's first movie. - Yeah, right. Okay, true. - And she kisses, yeah, and she kisses Brad Pitten it. - Wow. - And it's her first kiss, she's like 12. - Oh my gosh. - Wait, what? - If it wasn't her, I know. Hang on. - Hang on. - Yeah, it's really amazing. - It's the Dawson's Creek catch. - Nope, shit. - No, what's the Dawson's Creek shift? - Well, they all... - Dad and I have been watching that. - Someone was on the edge, yeah. - Yeah, oh, no, I'm like full bit. - The whole main storyline for Pacey in season one is that he falls in love with and has sex with his teacher. - No. - High school teacher. And they're 15 in the show. - Ew. - And it's not just like a thingy go. It's like a part of the pop. He's his main story for like the whole first season. - Wow. - I would put money on the fact that home in a way is probably done that. - Oh yeah. - We had to go home in a way we'd have done that in the early '90s or late '80s or whatever. - It's just normal. - I feel like so many shows have done it. Like the OC did it too with Luke, Marissa's boyfriend, sleeping with her mum. - Oh, yeah. - Have you guys watched the OC? - Oh my gosh. No, I haven't. - She's like the cool pop mum. - Yeah. - Okay. - So it's okay. Yeah. - No, no, no. But yeah, I saw like the first season of the OC. - Yeah. - How? - Yeah, it's sort of weird that like, I was just so shocked that that was just the main, like from the start. - Yeah, from the start that wasn't like a season eight we run out of ideas. - No, no, no, no. It's literally in like a huge part of the pilot. It's crazy. - The pilot. Holy, they hit the ground running. - Sure did. - How's Pacey for a name as well? - Pacey is amazing. - Pacey. - How do they think of that? - I know. - Surely not. - So is the job going good? Do you like in the job? - I'm in like in the job. It's retail. - Shout outs. - Shout outs, retail. - Yeah. - Yeah, really good. I work like four days a week, casual wage. - That's good. - Can't complain. - Four days is good. - Yeah. - Is that eight hours a day? - Often, often nine. - Yeah, right. - Nine to six sometimes. - Yeah, right. Fucking puts them in. That's a long time. - Work, yeah. - And then where does music fit in terms of like scheduling? - Well, honestly, it's been a bit of a struggle to fit it in lately 'cause I've just been trying to save up. So I have kind of been prioritizing, just working. And 'cause I do a Patreon as well and I make music specifically for the Patreon. - Yeah. - And then also have like the regular main music that I make as hat g. - Yeah. - So I haven't been honestly balancing it very well lately. - Right, right. - And I'm getting back into the groove of like spending my days off on music. - Yeah. - But yeah, it's been good. Yeah. - Are we going to relate to that? - Yeah. - Do you ever feel like guilt about it based on like comparisons? Do you go like, "Oh, but these people are like, "Oh, yeah, I just, I'm just always every." - 1,000, yeah. - Anytime I'm at home, I'm working on music. - I know, I know. I feel awful. And then I'm like, "Oh, maybe I'm not supposed "to be a musician." - Yeah. - I'm not spending however many hours on it. - Yeah. - It's like, at the end of the day, I'm like, "I feel like COVID messed everything up." And it's also like more than ever like, you're one in a million if you can make it work and not need to spend most of your time making money on another avenue. - Yeah. Well, we're not imagining how expensive it is just to live at the moment. - Yeah. Everything. - It's, yeah. So you do really have to like, it does get to a point where you have to prioritize your money making. - Yeah. - Yeah. But then I guess the challenge isn't, and you know, we farm ways around it. Like you do have to end up finding the time, but yeah. It's, I think it's so normal to like, I don't know, fall in and out of like, you know, prolific periods, you know? - Yeah. - I think it's normal. - Yeah, I hope so. - Yeah, it's not really normal in this like, sort of influencer age. - Hustle, yeah. - I hate cast hustle culture. It's really. - Thanks, I had an inducing, isn't it? - It's crazy. And I definitely like, did, I was influenced for a while. - Yeah. - To be like, yeah, like, I'm not spending enough time on it. Like I'm not dedicated enough. I'm not doing enough. Like, maybe I don't deserve it then. - Yeah. - Like, got to like, the amount that I'm working right now is literally just playing, paying bills. Like I'm not like buying heaps of nice, luxurious things. - Yeah, that's right. - Like it's actually necessary for me to work at least four days a week. - Yeah. - Full time hours. - Yeah. - So what other option do I have? - You don't. - I started this rule, not rule, but recently I've started an effort to, like, when I'm on the train to and from work, 'cause I have an hour each way. I spend that time like, working on like, Hachi admin, whether it's like, answering Patreon messages or like, planning for Patreon or like, planning stuff or whatever. And it's really helped, but I'm like, damn, this is like, so much time to be spending on anything. Like, I don't even spend a day off as like a rest day. - Yeah. - I don't have like a designated rest day. - Yeah. - Which like, most people don't either, but like, my weekends, I work retail, and then I have Monday, Tuesday off, and I just work those two days I spend on music and Patreon. - Yeah. - Right. - Work all the other days. - Yeah. - It's a lot, but it's worth it. - Well, that's good. And yeah, that's like, you're working as literally as hard as you can. - Yeah. - That is as hard as you can. - Yeah. - Which is great. - It's good. - But it's a lot. - It is. - Would you say that you're quite jaded? - Well, I'm just, yeah. - I'm putting the wine back down. - Put the wine back. Just, I'm just tired. Just tired. - Yeah. - And you know, this like, I realized the privilege, I got two jobs and like. - Yeah. - I do, there is privilege in that. - It's first world problems, but it's still. - And yeah, like anyone who's able to make music is like, super lucky, I guess. Or, I mean, yeah. Or be able to do, to travel and to record things. - Yeah. - But, yeah, I reckon that, I don't know, it really does feel a lot harder than ever to maintain the energy. - Yeah. - And I am maintaining the energy, but it's like, what? You know, you gotta work hard and get that money as well. - I don't know that also that the, the quote, unquote, career that we aspire to, and that we have been aspiring to for however long exists anymore. Like, I actually don't think the type of artists that we all pictured ourselves as is really that possible anymore. - Yeah. - I don't know how you can do it without being like a hustler, and like spending all your time on social media and stuff. Like, I think there's like the lucky few who don't have to push themselves on social media and all that crap. But there's not many. - Yeah. - Like for the most part. - The majority are being like encouraged by their team and all the players and that kind of stuff to be like, constant, isn't it? - Constant, like. - See, bands are doing really well, and their shit is just constant, hey? - Yeah. - It's like, back up when this competition now is like, why are you doing competitions for it? You're smashing it. - I know. You don't need to be doing that. Like, you don't even have a thing out at the moment. - Yeah. - It's just like, it's crazy. - It's bleak. - Stressful. - Well, when you talk about the careers that we imagined, it was probably like, had less to do with social media at all, and it was more about songwriting. - Exactly. - And more about touring. - Yeah. - That was what you've imagined, I think, right? - Yeah, for sure. That's the thing is like. - It was on writing songs. - Yeah, because like, isn't that what it's all about? Like, it's so bizarre. And like, I don't know, I've had this conversation a million times, but I just don't know that I'll ever fully accept it, that it's like, I mean, this sounds like, maybe this sounds like just washed up musicians who didn't make it be like, yeah, well, it's not our fault, it's the industry, but like, it actually is like such a different landscape from what it was even five years ago, pre-COVID. Like, as someone who was touring a lot in that period and like, was releasing music and, I don't know, it's just, yeah, and I've had times where I've gotten like really pissed off or upset about like, feeling like I have to keep up with like social media and stuff and being like, all of my favorite artists don't do that. - Yeah, so I think that's the thing to-- - To hold on to. - Yeah. - But also then I'm like, but are they just the, they're the exception to the rule? And they're, it's because they're from, they all kind of started right before, they're none of them have started in the last five years, they're all artists who started 10 years ago. - Yeah. - Artists like, even just like, I'd be like, well, Tom York isn't posting TikTok and it's like, yeah, but you know, he's like 20 years older than me. - Yeah, yeah. - It's just a completely different time. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I don't know. - Yeah, what do you think the ideal, what's that, what would be an ideal position for you? - Oh, I have no idea, hey. (laughs) I don't know, 'cause like, I don't, I don't know. Like, sometimes I'm like, oh, I wish I could just delete all social media, I hate it all, but then I'm like, oh, but I like, I, it's fun. - Yeah, yeah, I think you are good at it. - Yeah, I think you're good at communicating your, not that you're trying to, but communicating your sort of like, personality on. - Oh, thanks. - Online. - Well, that's nice. I just don't know how people have ideas to post heaps. - Yeah. - Like really. - I don't think it matters. - I don't even think it matters. - I always think about like, my favorite bands and none of them. - Yeah. - None of them are doing any of that shit. None of them. - No. - Not a single one, I would say. - Yeah. - Mm. - And so, I don't think it matters. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And I think that, like, imagine speaking to Kim Gordon, right? And like, hearing about the fucking ups and downs and the moods and the times where she's felt like, this is fucking bullshit. Like, I don't want to do this anymore and it's not working and no one like this album and no one like this song, whatever. And now, right now, she's just in a like full peak. - Totally. - Like, killing it. Music's sick, she's playing with these festivals and doing all this cool shit. And it's like, I really think it's just consistency and like, remembering that the whole, that, remembering the whole start of like, when you started writing music, you know where you're like, boiling it back down to that. - Mm-hmm. - Like, remembering why you're doing it and what you enjoy about it. - And the fact that the outcomes are like, meaningless, they're ultimately meaningless. Not taking any of those outcomes to the great video. - Yeah, you gotta let go of the outcomes and like, comparison and stuff, which is difficult. - It is difficult, but kind of what you have to do. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Didn't I? - I guess. - How do you guys find it? Like, do you find that yourselves comparing yourselves to other artists a lot? - I really actively try not to. - I feel like you're not a super online person. - It fucks my, it just fucks me in the head too much. 'Cause I think all the same things as everyone else. So I just really stop myself before I can, I think. - I used to, definitely. And it used to absolutely slap my ass. - Yep. - But I don't anymore. I don't. - That's good. - I have like, momentary things. And then I just go, oh, that's a comparing thing again. - That's fine. - Who gives a fuck? - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, how do you think you've gotten past it? Just like, logically thinking it through? - I think, like, when you hear a song that you love, like I'll use Fontaine's as an example, right? Like, new Fontaine's songs. What I love about them is how like, new and real they are to those people. They sound super authentic, you know? And it's like, and also like, we had military gun on the pod recently. I don't know if you know military gun, but they're writing like, pop punk kind of songs. - Cool. - Leaning into the things that they really want to, they've always, he even said this in the pod. Like, they're the songs I've always wanted to sing that new album, but have always felt like I need to be cool or whatever. - Right. - So I think that when you hear songs and you're like, oh my God, like, if I had written this song, I probably would have vetoed it. 'Cause I thought it was like too emotional or too vulnerable, you know? That, I think. - Yeah, true. - That kind of helps. - Yeah. - It's good, I don't know. I guess we're all on our different, everyone's feeling it in a different way. - Yeah, well, what is it for you? - I go through phases. I feel like I do think COVID taking away the opportunity to tour and stuff for a long time, put everything in perspective for me. So now I just appreciate every little success. Whereas I used to be really like quite numb to it all. I don't know if it's just because things happen with Hachi so fast. - Yeah, it did happen faster than it and-- - Really fast. - And so when COVID hit, were you like right in the middle of like, were there like more tours booked at the time and all that kind of stuff? - No, we were really lucky we didn't have any tours booked so we didn't have to cancel anything. But we were about to record our second album and we were hoping to go to America to do it. We hadn't booked anything though. So we were just like, ah, I guess we're not gonna do that. Guess we'll just record it at home. - Yeah. - But I think before that, you know, so much happened in the space of two years from like getting radio play internationally and like touring internationally, supporting like some of my favorite artists ever and getting like recognition from some of my favorite artists ever. And I was kind of like, oh yeah, it's cool. Like I wasn't, I don't think I was like, I don't know. I just have never been the type of person to celebrate anything. Like I'm not in the past. I wasn't like a self-congratulator. I just feel like, okay, yeah, moving on to the next thing like, any achievement I was like, I can do better next time. - Right, okay, yeah. - It's quite hard on myself. - Right. But then when we had a year of no shows, it was like far out. We were actually so lucky to be doing all those shows. Like it was stupid, like what a, I sound so spoiled. I was so spoiled by the riches of the first few years. - Did you feel like you had taken it for granted or whatever? - Yes, 100%. - I'm at this festival, whatever. - I'd be like, I'm so, yeah, I've got fucking jet lags. I'm annoyed. Like, like, you know, I'm sick again or like I'm losing my voice. Ooh, and that's all I could focus on. And it's like, yeah, but I'm in like fucking New York and like some, like I didn't pay for it. And like, I just supported like one of my favorite bands and I only released music six months ago. What the fuck is wrong with me? - Yeah. - But at the time I was just like, focusing on all the bad stuff and being a big baby. But yeah, then when it all got taken away, I was definitely like, oh my God. - Yeah. - So I appreciate every show much more now. - You've got like real hardcore fans though. Like you've got real core, like the people that love your music as fans, yeah. - I do. - Which is like awesome and so much, so much of the value in like making music is that, and that alone really is it, and people love it. - Yeah. - You know, it's fucking pretty awesome. - It's so nice. I mean, you guys much feel it too when you've got like, you know, new people to shout out every week for signing up to and everything like, it's a really good reminder. - Yeah. - I think Patreon has been really good for that to be like, wow, these people exist who care. And they're not just like faceless comments on like Instagram being like, love the new song, like it's a bit more real. - Yeah, it's amazing. And it builds a little bit of a community, which is really nice. And I love seeing just like our fans and people in that community or the discord or whatever, like just chatting to each other. Like they're not even to us. And it's such a beautiful thing. - Yeah, great. - But we'll have people go on, I'll be at the show tonight, we're in this T-shirt, it comes on high and stuff, and it's like, we're not even involved in that. - Yeah. - Same. - It's really cool. - It's so nice. Yeah, so my fans in like the discord got a photo together a show without me. And I was like, that's so cute. - Yeah, I didn't even care if I'm there. - No, yeah. - Did you claim, you went to Brazil, didn't you? - I did. - That was, yeah, you did the-- - I went to Brazil. - Yeah, it's a cup of the, yeah. - How was? - That was so-- - You have some things in Brazil? - Yeah. - Did you cherish and appreciate it and celebrate that one? - Definitely, 100% no-winging from me. But yeah, it was a weird one. I was working at a different retail job, and in November, December, January, it's like black out period for retail, and a lot of hospital, you're not allowed to ask for time off. - Right, yeah, absolutely. - It's just like a retail-wide rule. - Yeah. - But I was like, okay, I got an offer to play at Festival in Brazil, like, is it okay if I take like a few days off? And they're like, yeah, that's fine. So I literally took less than a week off. - Oh my god. - Pour it, which like, in hindsight, yeah. But in hindsight, I should've just like quit my job. - Yeah, I understand. - Like, it's so ridiculous. I made the most-- - It's so funny asking your job. - I know. - Can I go and play in my band and just play in place? - It was, yeah. And I'm 30, I mean, I felt like such a child. - Yeah. - But yeah, and I went for, I had, I think, one full day or two full days there, and then like a travel day on either side. So it was there for like three or four days altogether. And then it was 34 hours of flying to get there. Three flights with a stopover in the middle. It was 45 hours home. 'Cause we got the cheapest possible flights with an 11 hour stopover in the middle. - Shit. - It was fucked up. - And then you straight back to your return. - And then I went straight back to work. - Like the show never happened. - Yeah, it was like a dream. And you're like, why didn't you go for longer? Oh, Brazil. And I was like, oh. Anyway, but the shows were a May. It was two shows. It was a festival show was what I went over for. And then I booked a side show as well. - See. - And they're both really great. - What was the city? - Sao Paulo. - Nice. - So cool. Real like city, like metropolitan city. Like when you're flying in, it's like, as far as the eye can see, just buildings, which I wasn't expecting. - Wow, yeah, fully. I don't know what I was expecting it to be. - Really clean and lush. - Yeah. - Less high-risey. Was it high-risey? - It's very not even like high-risey, but just like lots of like apartment buildings, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, okay. - But yeah, and we did the side show for us, which was really great. Like lots of fans, like probably some of the loudest fans ever. - Yeah. - Singing along to everything. - Cool. - And I played with that band PVA. - Right. - They're really cool. - Yeah. - And then we had like the festival, which like Whitney was playing. - Oh, yeah. - And on a mortal orchestra playing. - Sick. - It was all indoors, which was really interesting. Just like a venue, event hall kind of. It was really sick, but the second, the night between the two shows, I didn't sleep. My jet lag was so cool. - Oh, true. - And so the day of the festival show, I'd had like two hours sleep. I think I slept from like 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. So I was pretty bugged for the show. Like had to just literally just go, play the show, go back to bed. And then I flew home the next day. - Oh, my God. - So that was bleak. But I was like, honestly, like I wasn't, I was very like. - Did you bring the band with you for that? - No, so I went solo to save money. - Yeah. - Just me. And then I met up with my guitarist who lives in America. - Okay, cool. - So I did have a guitarist. - Yeah, cool. - But yeah, it was amazing. The people were amazing. After the side show, the first show, I think I was there for like two hours after the show meeting people. - Yeah, sick. - It was amazing. Really, really cool. - What's this new album sounding like? - Well, we haven't. - And where have you just like, you've finished writing it. You haven't recorded it yet. - Yeah, I'm like at the end of demoing it. And for me, like the way that I write is by demoing like recording the whole process. So they've got everything on file. It's not like me sitting down with the guitar necessarily. But it is a lot more stripped back than the second album. And it's way more like the first original stuff. - Right. - So a lot more like just dream pop straight up. Like not anything heavier than that or like trying to be anything super epic or. - Yeah, a pop here. - Yeah, I feel like everything got really like pop and really like melodramatic for a bit. - Oh yeah. - Like, and I was like, "Oh, this wasn't my intention with this project." - Gotcha. - So I'm kind of winding it back a little bit. - Striping it back. - Striping it back. - Or like indie sounding or whatever. - Yeah, exactly. More just like, yeah, indie dream pop. - No, fuck yeah. - So it's cool. - Hopefully gonna go record it in LA in September October. - See, that's coming up. - It's not locked in yet. Yeah, very soon. - How do you go about writing songs at home? Do you just like on the computer, the guitar? - Yeah, pretty much. Usually I have ideas in really random like at the grocery store or like on the train or like while I'm cooking or something. So it usually does start with like a voice note. - Yeah, like vocal melody or yeah. - Usually vocal melody or maybe like a chord structure or something, usually vocal melody. And then I like sit and not that out. - It's a great way to start isn't it? 'Cause then like finding the chords under the melody is so fun. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Changing them around a bit. - Yeah. I feel like, did we talk about this on the live pod? Remember you showed your voice note? - Oh yeah. - Like maybe. - Yeah. - But um, yeah, it's really cool. I think about that a lot actually. - We've done it that way. - Like every time I do a voice note. - That is raw. - Yeah, that was so fun. - One, two, three. - Yeah, there's always a count in. - Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. - Mine always sound like that too. So like no shame at all. - Yeah, fully. - It's like, it's so. - It's just so you can remember it. - Yeah, but then you can't listen back the next day. You're like, what note is that? You actually can't tell what anything is. - 100%. Unless you, like if you listen a few times, you might go, oh that's right, that's right. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Especially if you can remember what triggered it. - Yeah. - If it was like another song and you're like, oh it's like a similar chord structure to that. - Yeah. - I, I heard on the radio last night, someone talking about how they had a dream once and they had a really good joke in the dream. And they like half awake, wrote the dream in like their notes on their phone. Then when they woke up in the morning, it said Catholic ice coffee. It just reminded me of that. Like when you think something's like- - Yeah, yeah. - Like Joe always dreams like- - So funny. - Like 'cause the Catholic and the ice coffee and like- - What the fuck was the joke? - Yeah. - Joe always dreams like inventions in his sleeve and then he wakes up. And often they're actually really good inventions or like movie ideas, but mine are always nonsense. - Oh yeah, I kind of had it that just reminded me. I think I dreamt a crazy good film recently. - Really? Do you remember anything about it? - Absolutely, never. - But I remember going that. I just lived a sick movie. - Yeah. - That's cool. - You want to remember those? - Yeah. You never do though. - No. - Have you guys ever done a sleep study? Like when you go like a sleep out? - I just did. - I just got a couple of weeks ago. - What do you say about it? I want to know what they like. I didn't really enjoy it. - Yeah. - And he couldn't sleep very well. - Yeah, I've heard that. - And he didn't find the person too. That was looking after him too conducive to sleeping either. - Oh, that's right. - Yeah. - All right. - Yeah. - Oh my you. - If you roll over, it's all right. You can do that again. - Yeah. I think you found it quite difficult. - Yeah. My sister did one. She said she was two. You know how her husband was always freezing? She said she... - Oh fucking cold. - She always like cold or hot. She said it was so cold. She couldn't sleep all night. - Yeah. - She was a complete waste of money I couldn't sleep. - Yeah. I know. That's kind of weird, isn't it? - Yeah. - Like a sleep study, but you're in a crazy environment. - When you make it... - Are you gonna sleep comfortable? - Yeah. - So you're hungry. - I think future armor, at least. - Some fucking drunk guy was fucking pissing the bed right next to me. - Yeah. - Having a seizure in the hallway. - Yeah. - I make it extra fucked. - Now hospitals basically run to just fix drunk people. - Yeah. - That's a depressing thought when you think about it. - Yeah. - So like the ER ward would be pretty quiet if it wasn't for alcohol. - Yeah. - If it wasn't for the people drinking those amounts of alcohol and doing stupid things. - Then fucking out. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, it sounds like you're championing them. - Yeah, no. - Hospitals owe a lot to those drunk people. - Oh my god. - No, it doesn't sound like that. - No, it's definitely not that. - It's not that. - Yeah. So okay, let's get back to the album. - Yeah, sure. - Loving that it's some, I love the, we always talked about the fourth album thing, Todd, you know, like where, there's that trajectory of albums, right? Where they, it starts kind of raw and then there's a bit of a sharpening up on the second record. And then the third, it's like, oh, this is, maybe this is, is this it? Yeah. - And then often it's like fourth is like, take it to real pop. - Yeah. - Or you bring it back. - Or you bring it back. - It's one or the other. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I mean, I'm taking it, cause I had the EP and then two albums. This is like the third album, but the EP, we've got a lot of life out of it. So it kind of feels like the fourth album. - Yeah, yeah. - What are you guys up to? - We're on to fourth album. - What are you thinking? You go back to square one or? - We've been writing it now. It's kind of a bit further, yeah. - We talked about square one. - Yeah. - And it ended up being the complete opposite. - You can't decide. - You can't, you can't, also can't. I mean, when you talk about that. - We actively didn't just, yeah. We just, it just happened. - Yeah. - But yeah, we didn't go, oh yeah, let's write huge pop songs. - Yeah. - Yeah. - We definitely didn't just, yeah. - Intentionally. - We just decided to try and like see what comes out again and then just follow that. - Yeah, that's the best way really. - Yeah, I agree. I think like second album, I had a plan. Like I was like, I want it to sound like that. - Same with our second album. - Yeah. - And I think it actually like no shade to the second album, but I don't think I should have done that. - Cooked it. - Yeah, cooked it. - Yeah. - But it's very common. - I'm like a real plan with that. - Oh, that album's great though. - Oh, thank you. - Seriously. - And likewise to you. - But thanks. But I can relate. - And as are you. - Yeah, it's a little bit like, there was a lot of thought that went into it. - Yeah, you can overcook it for sure. - I love, yeah, I love the album. Thanks for listening. (laughing) - I love it, but you know. - Yeah, yeah, it's all, yeah. Anytime I say that it's like, it's a comment about myself. I'm not commenting on like the production that someone else did or anything. It's like everything I did that I'm like, "Oh, should I've done that?" And so then for this one, I'm like, yeah, that's why I'm like stripping it all back and being like, just writing what happens. Yeah, for sure. Underthinking it. - Underthinking is pretty interesting. - I think so, yeah. - Not being lazy. - Yeah. I think for like lots of creative stuff. It's like same with acting. It's like, you know, when someone, you can tell someone's trying too hard or thinking too hard about it, it's like. - Definitely being guilty of that. Like I get the-- - I'm sure it's inevitable. - I get a student syndrome, you're like. - Yeah. - I'm just working on it. I haven't thought about it. - Far out brown. - Who I'm thinking is this to mind. - Yeah. - By who I'm talking to. - By who I'm talking to. - Who I'm talking to. - Girl. - Where have I just been? - Oh yeah. Where's it come from? - Yeah. - What's the, um, what is it that you do in acting? Like in drama, it was like everybody's got like a-- - Objective. - Objective. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh really? - I don't even think that stuff. - Yeah. You've got an objective in every scene. Each character has an objective. - Yeah. - They're trying to get something from the other. - Yeah. - We even in drama at school, they over did it and they made us go line by line in scripts and write what the objective was of that line. - Yeah exactly. So do you have an act? - Yeah. - No, not at all school drama. - School drama. - Like literally just-- - That's called our beating up a script when you beat it up. - Yeah. - You do the beats. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And each beats like what am I trying to get in this moment? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - When I say good morning, am I like trying to annoy them or am I trying to-- - Yeah. - Say sorry. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - It's quite interesting. I want that to be subconscious. - Yeah. - Well, and a lot of the 40 years. - Yeah. - And you only call on these things if you are struggling with like what's going on in this moment. - Yeah. - Right. - Yeah. - You know, like oftentimes it just comes like second age because you read it and you're like, oh yeah, that-- - Disgusting. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, interesting. Have you been doing much acting lately? - Not really. I had an audition last week. - Oh nice. - Yeah, for a American Netflix, like War propaganda film probably. - Oh yeah. - Yeah. - It should be sick to do. - That's cool. Where's the big film? - Hopefully the producers aren't listening. Being shot in Australian New Zealand, I'm not sure exactly where, but start shooting next month. It'd be really fun to do. - Yeah, no. - Gotta shave your head for it. - Ooh. - To be down for it. - Oh yeah, we talked about that. Did you just like back in the-- - Oh, I did you do the eyebrows? - Yeah, I colored my eyebrows in. - Really? Like with foundation or something? - Yeah. - Oh, you made them darker. - Yeah, made them darker. Because Michael Caine in his book says, "No, it was a talker, sorry you guys." Now, as an actor, if you've got fairer eyebrows, one thing that's imperative is that you color them in. Big darker. - color them in. - Yeah. - Does he have, did he have fairer eyebrows when he was younger? - Yeah, I think so. - Interesting. - I learned that lesson like 20 years too late. I'm glad I saw it. - Yeah. - Like literally last week. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think only looking like a freak. - No, for him to have. - Right? - Real specific. - Yeah. There's some acting, like people who are giving acting advice who like talk about the craft of acting. - Yeah. - Other sort of like, practical. - Yeah. - Make sure that you fucking like your chin looks really good when you're like fate, you know? - Wow, yeah, yeah. You're on the right angle. - Yeah. - I'm sure that wasn't like an AI creative video just for you. Someone ready? - One of the better. - Now Jamie, as an actor. - Yeah. - It might have been. It's my guardian angel. - Did you see that AI video where he's supposed to play? - Yeah. - Trump on the motorbike. - Trump's on the like. - I was about to bring up Trump too. - Did you see it? - I haven't seen what you're talking about. - Basically, he's standing at the podium where he gets like shot out. And then the podium turns into the front of a motorbike and he just rides away. - Yeah, it's like a cage. - It's like a little like Maga sort of song. - Yeah. - I'm recording those zooms out. - No. - He's on this fucking road and he's pretty good. - He just skids off on this little t-wee. - It's so cool. - He's crazy. - It's so realistic. - Yeah. - Really? - Yeah. - It's as with like a lot of AI, it's not quite right, but you can't work out why. - Wow. No, I want to see it. What are your theories with the Trump? - I'm honestly been trying not to think and talk about it too much. - Yeah. - Because I think it clogs up the air space. - Yeah, I just, yeah. - That's fine. - Yeah, that's fine. - You don't want to give it energy. - No, I don't really think so, but um. - That's fair. I haven't been talking about it a lot either. - That's fair. - What do you reckon? - Yeah, what do you reckon? My first instinct when I saw it was fake. - Fake. - Fake, yeah. - Yeah, but now I think it's real. - I was literally the first, I was like, "No, that's not it." - That's not. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's what I saw it first, and now it was real. - But that's the effect of fucking like... - Oh, we'd never... - The media in... - Yeah. - Isn't that weird? - Come on. I have no fucking... - The fact that we just don't, we don't immediately believe something we see in the news is such a sign of the times as well. - No, I know, but it's insane to, like, you can't believe anything else that you see in the news, right? So all of a sudden you can't believe anything. You're supposed to believe this piece of news is factual. - Yeah. Why should I? - Yeah. - Yeah. - And I happen to believe it is factual at this point. - Yeah, actually, yeah. - I lean in that direction. - I'm leaning factual. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, it's like, I get it. It was shot out and missed and the kid was killed and all that kind of shit. - Yeah, true. - But it's like it's not my first instinct is to distrust the media. And distrust the people like Donald Trump. - Yeah. But I also don't understand the martyr angle that everyone's going for where they're like, "Oh, he planned it so that he looks like a hero or like a martyr or so." I'm like, "Really? Get that angle." - It does do a lot to... - It's actually happening though. - The supporters. - Really? - What is it being like? - They're wearing fucking... - Man-like. - Oh yeah, they're wearing bandages. - Yeah, that's just so funny. - And that's so funny. - It's got, that was God's plan. - Yeah. - If he hadn't turned his head that way. - And he's like, he's sacrificing shit to be that leader and all that. - Right. - He's putting himself over there. - Oh, okay. - I love how he says, "Fight! Fight!" It's such a funny, like, you know, when he's... No, wait, wait, wait, wait. After he stands up and is here, it's bleeding. - I haven't seen it that far. - I haven't seen it. - Yeah. - Okay, so they pick him up and he's going. And he's surrounded by a secret service. - Okay, wow. - And then he goes, "No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait." They're trying to get him off the stage. - Yeah. - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And he kind of pushes through them and goes, "Fight!" - Whoa. - "Fight!" - Whoa. - "Fight!" - Oh, that's so scary. What do you need to do that? - Yeah, the shoulders are up. - Horrible rot. - Yeah. - What? - Weird. Okay, freaky. Yeah, it's not a pleasant thing. Did you see, um, I saw a meme that someone posted with him with, like, the little band, Dejona Zia saying, "When you order a pillow from Tammy." - Oh, yeah, too. - Yeah, that's good. - That was great. - So you posted the, um, the guy doing the... - I saw this on Rails as well the other day. Are you a Reels person or TikTok? - Lately, yes, but Joe showed me that to be there. - Okay, gotcha. Yeah, that's a cool boyfriend thing to show. - Yeah, it's a very, um, husband thing. - Oh, sorry. - Um, it's funny. I don't, it's weird. Um, I was really against Reels. I think Reels, um, as much as I love posting them with myself. - It's like the Facebook. - It's like the Facebook of TikTok. - Yeah. - Like the Facebook... - The Facebook. - The Facebook of TikToks. - Yeah. - My Reels treat me good, though. - Yeah, when you get that algorithm... - Oh, it's going. - What are you... - Mine's all stacks. Like people are doing themselves. - Oh, sick. - Yeah, I get a lot of stacks, too. It's like Australia's funny soon, but yeah. - It's really good. - Yeah, mine's a lot of cute animals. - Yeah, oh, it's cats, too. - Yeah. - It's your TikTok going off, like your algorithm. - Um... - Kate's is popping. - Like she's got it now. - Fucking good. - Mine, I had mine down to a fine. It was incredible. It was, I like this comment that, I mean, it was funny the first time and now everyone's doing it, but it was like, I built this algorithm brick by brick. People will comment that on like, fucked up videos. Like, this is my algorithm now. Um, yeah, I had a really sick algorithm. Like, every single video, I was like, cracking out. But then I had to teach off for a while, because I was too addicted. - Yeah, 100%. - Yeah, I'm back now. - Okay, yeah, welcome back. - But yeah, you posted the, um, The Lion King. - Yes, yeah. - Or the man doing the... - Like a Foley artist. - Like a Foley artist. - Seems fucking fake. - He's got a fucking bucket going. - Who thought of the idea of the trash kid? - Yeah. - So the person deserves a pepperoni. - He's going in some metal trash can. - Yeah. - It's so hectic. - It's fucking crazy. - I reckon you'd be good at doing it. - Is that real? - Thanks. - It's super weird the way they were filming this. - The way it ends, they're like, yeah, that was good. - I don't know. Like, that's like a skid. - It seems really cool, yeah. - Yeah. - It's so fake. - So to anyone listening, we're talking about the guy who did all of The Lion Rawls. - Wait. - All of them for the entire movie. - In one go though, it seems like. - No, I don't know. That's obviously a fight in The Lion King. - There's obviously recording like a fight between Scar or Simba and someone. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I'm going to foss her. (whirring) - Bro, man. (whirring) (whirring) - Whoa. - It's going to stand up. It's full-fest being about it. - Yeah, full-fest being. - They were just recognizing that like, that lower, you know that lower, throw-recoverable-fragity. - It's pretty crazy. - It's absolutely pumped. - Yeah. - Well, that's what the trash can's for. - You've got to put that video in the post, Jamie. - In the bio. - Fuck it. - In the info. - It's so, that's reels to the core, that's real. - Yeah, it's very, no. It's not TikTok. It's very real. - Yeah, it's very meta. - Yeah. - But apparently he did every Lion sound in the whole movie and we were like, just record a lion. - Yeah. - Not a recording of that. Like, why did he have to do that? - Yeah, didn't. - Yeah, fully. - Didn't. - Exactly. - Yeah. - Really? - Yeah. - He was like, conducting. - Yeah. - He himself. - I know. For like, it's like he was doing a mid-summonights dream or something like that. - Yeah, he was Shakespeare. Shakespeare vibes. - It's really inspiring. Have you seen that film with Bradley Cooper? - Oh, and Maestro? - Yeah. - Oh. - It's kind of cool. I just like seeing the-- - Is it called Maestro? - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's just, I just like seeing a conductor do his thing. - Yeah. - Do his thing. - Do his thing. - I haven't seen that either. - No, I haven't seen Tha. - It's meant to be good. - Oh, we all need to watch both of these movies. - Yeah. - Oh, you have seen Maestro. - Maestro, yeah. - Yeah, Tha's meant to be good, but it sounds like Maestro is a bit more theatrical. - Yeah, it is quite theatrical. - It's kind of annoying. - People are Hollywood. - But I think back on it, it's a bit annoying. Bradley Cooper's great in it, but he's kind of annoying as well. - He definitely, I mean, he definitely wanted that Oscar so, like, too much. - Yeah. - And then they didn't, who got it instead? - I think Paul Giamatti got it. - Hell, but. - Before. - Before the holdovers. - The guy that you were talking about before. - The guy that I was talking about, I'm going to ask Siri. Oh, Siri won't be able to hit. - Siri's dumb, man. Doesn't know anything. - Hey, Siri. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. Hey, Siri. - Mm-hmm. - Who, who won the best lead actor last year over Bradley Cooper? It's a bit wordy. - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm. - How do you say this? - This is funny. - Hey, that note tell me literally who won it. - She's not smart enough. - Well, no, she's not. And apparently, isn't that what the next upgrade is? - Yeah. - The AI thing is like. - It's got to be. - Which is too far. - Too far. - There's slow on it, but there were also MP3s and then the iPod came in. - Yeah. - So iPhone 16 is going to be a corker probably. - It's got to be. - It is. - That's going to be perfect for my upgrade because I got on three-year plans. - Oh, happy for you. - Love that with the info. Hey, I've got to ask you. - Well, I just need to find out this. - Oh, you're busy. - Sorry. - I don't need to. - Sorry. - Yeah. - Sorry. - I'll talk to Jamie for a bit. - Just talk amongst yourselves, everyone. - Yeah, okay. - Um, let's go on. - Hey, come in. Oh, yeah. - Yeah, not there. - He's lost nine Oscars. - Bradley Cooper. - Yeah. - What's he from, the hangover? - Hangover. - Anything else? - Star is born, silver linings, playbook, American sniper, American hustle. - He's got a bit of a slappable face, I reckon. - I'm not a fan of this. - Oh, yeah. And now he's got-- - He's a bit annoying. - He's so annoying. - I kind of want to slap his tail. - Oh, Oppenheimer. What, Killian Murphy got it? Sorry. - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Killian Murphy. - Irish people are just the coolest people in the world right now. - Oppenheimer. - Yeah, I haven't seen that. - Oh, my God. - He's in Batman as well. - He's watching Bridget Jones. - I haven't seen that. - No, Killian Murphy. - You know his face. - He's Killian Murphy. - Don't have pole. - He does. - He's Killian Murphy in that-- - Probably not. - Another American war propaganda film about the pilot. - Oh. - Oh, no, he's in-- - He's in Red Eye. - No, I don't know who Killian Murphy is. - You don't know. - No. - What's that series? - Don't say he's involved with him prior. - No, no. - Uh, oh, yeah. Pick up on this. - Oh, yeah. I haven't seen it. But I know who the guy is kind of. - Sure, your girlfriend has. - She's a woman. - Yeah, she's seen it. - Yeah, she's seen it. - Chicks dig, picky blinders. I haven't seen it. Apparently it's very smexy. - Is it a sexy show? - So we-- Wait, Todd needed to ask-- - No, no, you go first. - No, you go first. - Well, I was gonna go speaking with sexy shows. Tell us about our deal or no deal. - Oh, yeah. Let's see what about. - Yeah, so Joe and I went on deal or no deal. It was actually like a week after I went to Brazil. And after I was like, I'm going to Brazil. I was like, so I can't work tomorrow because I'm going on. No, no deal. And then I quit. No, then they made me redundant. They're still giving me shit. - Oh, my God. Brazil is-- - It wasn't Brazil. It was a deal or no deal that broke up. - She's not committed to the company. - No, who is this lady? So last year, my husband Joe and I moved down to Melbourne. And he's always done freelance work, graphic design. And he's been really sick of doing freelance because no one pays invoices on time. So he was like on seek looking for jobs or like on websites looking for jobs. And I was like copying and pasting a job to him. I was like, oh, I just found one. And was about to click send on this job. And he went, oh, I just applied to deal or no deal. And I got an email back saying I'm in like in the running. And I was like, for fuck's sake, you're supposed to be looking for jobs. Jesus fucking whatever. - That's so classic. - But he was so excited about it. And then he got invited to the auditions. And I was like, whatever. - So there's auditions. - Yeah, there's auditions. - Come on, this. Okay. - It's all. - We got an email back. - We got to have personality. - We got invited to auditions. - Yeah, fully. - And we got to the auditions. - We got to the auditions. - No. We got to the auditions. And there were like 100 people there. Maybe 80 people there. And they said they'd be-- - One episode? No. - They'd do more. - Oh. - I think so. Well, they said that they'd had it had been going all week that had that every day. So many rounds of auditions. So we were like very-- - Did you audition too? Did he like-- - So he dragged me along. He was like, well, I was like, whatever, you can go. He was like, no, you have to come with me. And I was like, I'm not coming with you. And he was like, no, I need. They said you need to bring like your person with you, like a special person. - Oh, because you need a story. - You need a person in the crowd. - Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Like on Millionaire. So then I was like, very grumpy about it and very reluctantly went to this audition. I was being such a bitch about it. And we went and waited all day or like at least a few hours. - Were you actually being real cut about it? - Oh, no, I was being such a bitch. Yeah, I was being really like, I don't want to be here. This is a waste of our time. - Oh, and then imagine if Joe like died the next week. - Oh, such a bitch last week. - And then I go on, deal on, deal on, let me win. - Yeah. - But all he wants to do is just watch, deal on, deal on, win. - He was just like, I don't want to win. - Yeah. - No, but I was like, what if I'm rude? And then he wins. And I'm like, babe, can you buy me this? So then I kind of snapped out of it. But then we got thereafter hours waiting for the auditions. They were bringing people through to this room, like, Australian Idol vibes where there's like a panel. - That's exactly what I'm imagining. - Yeah, it was like that at Docklands as well, which is always a weird vibe because it's a ghost town. - Hellhole. - Hellhole for sure. And we had maybe four minutes with this producer that we'd been waiting around all day for. And we were like in the last group of people going in. He just asked us a few questions and we told him our story. Joe was so nervous that he was like shaking. 'Cause he just gets really anxious. - Yeah, it's cute. - Sorry, Joey. And then we were like, we found out that we were invited to be on the show. Like, we were invited to the filming. - Were you like, we're musicians? - Yeah, we have to. I know. 'Cause I was like, I don't, if we tell them we're musicians, they're going to call, and we do get called up, they're going to be like, well, here come the rock stars. - Which would have been really funny. - I know, but it would have been so cringe. And we were like, fuck it. We just got to lean in. Like, it's the only, it's all we've got. - Yeah, exactly. - Like, what else do we have to say? - Yeah, let's go. - So we were like, oh, we're musicians. We got married in Vegas. - Oh, yeah, that's nice. - Like, we did the whole thing. So then we got invited to the filming day. And we were like, fuck yeah. But it was quite vague. And it said like, just because you're invited to the filming day doesn't mean that you're going to be a contestant. - I'm like, yeah. - So we were like-- - You're in the crowd. - We were in the crowd. - Yeah. - And we were in the crowd. And so we were there on the day. The crowd split into six sections. And each, they filmed a bunch of episodes in one day. And each episode, they call out a person's name. They're like, and on this episode, it's going to be Jamie Timmy. - Yes. - And then everybody, yeah. And then you jump up and you go, yeah. And then you go up with-- - It was actually stuff. - And you felt it, hey. - I did. - The magic. - Oh my God, you're so funny. - Yeah. You got a 50/50 chance. And then you get called up to be like the person who picks the suitcase. And then everyone else in your section goes up to hold the suitcases. - Right. - And do you guys know how the game works? - Yeah, definitely love it. - And then all-- - Big fans. - Yeah. And all those people from your section who hold the suitcases get a chance to guess what's in their suitcase. They've all got a chance to win a few hundred dollars. - Is it a one grand? - It used to be. - Oh, that's two hundred bucks. - And now the major, maybe 250. And the major price now is a hundred grand. And I think it used to be a few hundred. - Yeah. - I feel like it was, yeah. I reckon it was like two or three. - A hundred percent though. - I know. - But it just means the low suitcase. - Well, exactly. There's more of a chance. 'Cause they've still got like $1, $2, $5, $10. They've just got less of the green suitcases. - Yeah. - Anyway. - Did it just be 200 grand? - I reckon it did. - I think it did 200, 100. - Yeah. - Yeah. (laughing) - Dot, dot, dot. - Yeah. - 75, 27. - Anyway. So they filmed, there are six audience sections. And guess how many episodes they filmed that day? - How many? - Six. - Oh. - Guess whose section didn't go up. - Fuck off. - Ours. - Really? - Yeah. - So I've seen the photo of you guys online. Did you get the like-- - We're just in the crowd. - So we were all being filmed in the crowd. There were five sections over the crowd. - Yeah. - And each section gets a go at being-- - So you didn't even get to go up. - We didn't even get to go up. - Yeah. - In my suitcase there's $400. - No. - No, not at all. - So only your bank didn't get to go. - Yeah. - What are they doing? - That's so mean. - Fuck. - You didn't get-- - Fuck you. - Thank you, Sam. I think I've got $75,000. - Yeah. - We were so-- - We were so ready. Yeah. Exactly. Imagine. And then also we were those fucking idiots who were like, okay, we have to be really stupid. Like, what are we going to spend the money on? We'll be cleaning up to it. Like, Joe is like-- - Oh, I would have been doing that. So I do that every time we get a lottery ticket. - Yeah. It's grouchy. - All right, cool. So we'll get a car tomorrow. - Yeah, we would nothing it out. Like maybe donate some-- - Yeah. - Yeah. - Give me some diamonds by mama house. - Yeah. Pay my health mom's mortgage. Like, that's like-- The top prize is 100 grand. You're not getting that. No one gets that. - You get taxed as well. - Yeah, exactly. - Get a Brazil for four days. - Yeah. Literally. That's like 50 grand. We also don't get it till the-- well, my sister went on the chase. And she said that they had a clause in the contract that said, if your episode doesn't air, you don't get the money. - Fuck. - Right. - Off. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I thought that was the same as-- - That's the same as Dylan. I'm pretty sure. - Don't I? - That's what I've heard. - Yeah, probably. It makes sense. - Yeah, it does. Definitely. - It's just annoying. - Yeah. - But-- - No, every time I turn on the TV at the moment, it's tipping point. I reckon that's a fucking show. - Oh. - It's a kid when you put the coin in, but like as a television show, I don't think it's necessary. - Yeah. - It's really, really interesting. - It's really boring. - Is it-- are there questions of any sort? Like, do you-- - Yeah, there are questions. - Are there questions? - If you get it right, you get a coin? - Yeah. You get a coin and it falls down. - Do you know what was a good show? The price is right. - Oh. - We were talking about that at work. - That's right. - That was chaos. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And Jamie, Timini, come on down. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Really excited. - Yeah. - Bye. You're filling it again. - Yeah. It was good. - Best job in the world. - Pretty exciting. - And then you get a guess. - Amazing. - It was good. I loved it. - Oh. - Oh, was that-- - I went on a little bit of an internet read up on that recently. I don't know why. - Which one was amazing? Was that like? - It was close to by James Sherry. - James Sherry. - You get to win a game boy. - Oh, cool. - It was amazing. - You had to go in the maze and find the keys. - Oh. - Right. - And yeah, you'd win a game boy or something like that. - School versus school. - Yes, okay, yeah. - And like, you'd win shit for the school, like, in cyclopoeias. - Are you? - Right. - Yeah. - I've been back in time. - Yeah. - Botanical. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, in cyclopoeia, pretend. - Yeah. - 'Cause CD-ROM. - Yeah. - And then, but also-- - And maybe a scooter. - CD-ROM. - You get to-- Oh, do you know Luke went on one of those shows once? - Of course he did. - You got to take the tennis table. - It was called "Pick Your Face." - What did you do? - What did you do? What did you do? - You got to, I can't remember, you had to like, just guess faces or something. It's something like that. - That checks out. - Yeah, but yeah, you won a table tennis table. - For the school, for himself. - Self. - Thank God. - No, no, no. - You'd be pissed if it was for the school you had to share with a hundred kids. - Yeah, you don't know when you shoot for the school. - Surely, did you get close to doing anything like that in your talk? - No, I didn't, no. - You went to Big Brother filming, though. - Oh, yes, yes, thank you. - Oh. - I went to a few Big Brothers at Dream World. - Sick. - Like three evictions. - Oh. - In season one and two, I think. - Season, like literally, original seasons. - Yeah. - Wow, that was like, Gretel Clean, that was like, good. - Yeah, that's pig. - Yeah, that's pig. - Bum bum dance, you know. - Yeah, Sarah Marie. - I can't remember who I saw, but I was definitely in their season one, I'm pretty sure I was their season two as well. - Sick. - And then another time, me, mum and Ben, when we visited Melbourne, went to the studio where they shoot blue healers and like, looked under the crack of the door. - Fuck, yeah. - I was in the crack of the door. - Could you see anything? - Yeah, we saw police tape. - It's a feat. - Oh. - It was starstruck. - Oh. - Oh, please, please. It's so cute. - So cute. - That's so funny. - When I moved to Sydney, I applied to being the studio audience for Australia's Funniest Home Video Show. - Oh, like-- - Which filmed in Sydney. - How old were you? - 23 or something. (laughs) And yeah, we didn't end up going. We just went to the pub on the way and never left the pub. - Wait, so you were invited and you didn't go. - We all emailed the producer and staff got like housemates. - Yeah, how easy is it to get it? - 'Cause they say, like, if you want to be in the studio audience, if you want to be in the studio audience, send email, fucking, whatever at crowsnest.com. - Right. - And then always crowsnest. - Always crowsnest. - Always crowsnest. - And yeah, anyway, so like, we've fully got like in the allocated seats and stuff and just didn't go. - Do you think there were a few empty seats that they had to shuffle everyone around to film? - Probably, yeah. - Blacklist. - Or maybe they over-filmed 'cause I know people pull out. - Yeah. - You were on the voice, weren't you? - Oh, I was on-- - As a contestant? - Fuck, I forgot about that. As a carist. - Ex-factor. Ex-factor. - Really? - As a background singer. - A singer. - What, what? - Mine in the car? - We mine in, yeah. - Wait, tell her, please tell that story if you haven't already told on the car. - I have, but years ago on the pod, really early days. I'm ending up finding the videos on YouTube. There's two videos, me and Luke, we're on it. And we had to go in on Saturday for the rehearsal, and they filmed Sunday night, and we didn't get there 'til late Sunday afternoon. Like, we didn't go to any of it, so we just rocked up, and they still let us do it. And we didn't do, like, practice what to do or anything. - But it wasn't someone's audition, it was there, like-- - It was the show, yeah. - Yeah. - And we were in the background with, like, 15 other people miming along to "You're the Voice" by John Fana. - Sick. - Like, full like-- - Would it be any other song, no. It's always that. - Yeah, and there was one more song as well, and I had to do, like, full like movements and stuff like this. - Oh, oh! - I didn't know what I was doing at all. I was just thinking, "Oh my God, I want to see that." - Yeah, it's funny. - And how did you get involved, Luke? - A friend was just like, "Do you want to do this thing?" Oh yeah, and she was doing it, too, Ellie May. And then, yeah, we just did that on Sunday night, and then went out and spent all their money that night. - Oh, so you got paid? - Yeah, like, 300 bucks, or something. - That's decent. - Yeah. - I'd do that for 300 bucks. - Pretty fun, fully. - 300 bucks. - It would be like 25, 70 these days. - Yeah, literally. Oh, it'd be just some ears. - Yes, take some cash, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I don't know how that happened, though, but that was my kind of brush with television. - Yeah, you've had a lot of brushes with television. - Yeah, that's been a few. I mean, between us. - Yeah, between us. - I mean, that's all, and that's not it. - Yeah, sure, all of us. - You've been on Tilly. - Yeah? - What do you guys-- - You've done, um, what, like, what, you've done KXP, haven't you? - You've done KXP twice. - Yeah. - That's so cool. - It's so cool, hey. That's a dream. - That's a big one. - Yeah, stuff that, like, I'm like, whoa, pretty crazy. - I've been in there. - Yeah? - I hosted a Vice Documentary once, and I was just-- - Really? - Yeah. - I wasn't playing any music, but-- - That's cool, though. - Yeah. - When, was it the old, 'cause there's a new studio now? Do you remember when-- - Okay, I think it probably was the old one, I was 2018, or something like that. - Yeah, oh, it might have been the new one. I feel like that's when I did it, and it was the new one. Anyway, cool. - Right, okay. - Yeah. - Do you have all the lights? - Yeah, that's the new one, okay, yeah. - Sick, yeah. - That's so cool. Was it just about, like, Seattle? What was it about? - Yeah, it was, yeah. It was like a tourism visit, Seattle-- - Right. - And vice collaboration. So it was basically a tourist sort of advertisement. - Was it for Vice Australia? Or Vice-- - It was Vice Australia. - Cool. - Yep. - Nice. - Let's-- We'll finish up soon, but let's just-- When you're recording the album in September, October, what did you say? - I think so. Nothing's locked in yet, so who knows? But, yeah. - Is it in, you're doing that in-- - We're hoping to do overseas. - Yeah. - Very cool. - But nothing's locked in yet, so I don't wanna jinx it. - Okay, don't jinx it. - I'll tell you off the panel. - Have you got a particular producer that you're planning to-- - Yeah, we do. Which is exciting. - Excellent. - Someone really cool that I'm a fan of. - Right. - And we did a Zoom with them, and-- - So far so good. - We said that we were really big fans of their music, and a song in particular, 'cause they're a musician. - See? - And they were like, "Oh, that's so funny, "because that song is actually inspired by your song." - Yeah, of course. - Try. - And we were like, "I was like, "Fuck off!" "That's really cute." - Oh, really? So they're mutual fans. - Mutual fans. And I didn't even realise the timeline worked out in that way. I thought that song was out before I had she stopped. But she was like, "Oh, I wanna get any feel "that is what I was right now." - Yeah. - I'm feeling real good at the moment. - Right, really good, yeah. - It's really nice. - It's really cool. - Really nice moment. - That's super exciting, and that means it's gonna open up all the opportunities for touring and stuff next year. - Yeah, I think so. Get the ball rolling again, and get right back into it. - You just gotta get back into it. - Yeah. - When the time's right. - Yeah, and also with, I think, no pre-conceptions or any, you know, no expectations. - Yeah, good. - That's doing your thing. - That's way much fun. - You're on your own journey. - Yeah. - That's one of the other people's journey. 'Cause it's got expectations that really burns when you're not there. - Yeah, yeah. I used to like set goals and be like, "I wanna do this, this, this, and this." And now I'm like, "That's all I would did." - Well, you can't really control it. - Just make me upset. - Yeah, exactly. - Just put out a sick album. - Yeah, that's all you can do in the rest of this. - Well, that is the one thing you can do. - Yeah, that's true. - The songs, yeah. - I should, I hope I can nail that, but-- - I'm sure you will. - Yeah. - The rest will follow. - Yeah. - That's awesome. - Well, thanks for coming on. - Thanks, guys. - Over here. - Yeah, yeah, absolutely. We're always in your corner. Your music's fantastic. - Love it. - Thank you. - And shout-outs to everyone listening to the pod. - Shout-outs. - Thanks for coming back and listening again. - Thanks. - Thank you so much for the Patreon. - If you haven't already, there's a bonus episode out this week. - Yeah, it's on to the Hatchu Patreon. - Yeah, that too. - Yeah, fucking no. - All of them. - All right. - Okay, bye. - Goodbye. - Bye.
