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Summer Series 2024: Dan Markel Part 9
Right now in true crime: Chad Daybell’s home for sale, Bryan KOHBERGER trial date, Kay-Alana Turner body cam footage is released.
Trial day 7 & 8 closings for Charlie Adelson.
Sources for episode:
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/642645-charlie-adelson-trial-day-7-charlie-gets-crossed/
https://www.wctv.tv/2023/11/06/live-blog-closing-arguments-begin-charlie-adelson-trial/
- Duration:
- 37m
- Broadcast on:
- 28 Jun 2024
- Audio Format:
- mp3
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We are going to talk right now into your crime and then together we are going to unravel the mysterious death of attorney and law professor Dan Markow. The circumstances surrounding his death and those responsible. Let's dive right in. Welcome to the Dead Podcast. I'm your host Desi and on this podcast I discuss all things spooky and weird. From ghosts, demons, religion, to folklore, urban legends, true crime, and all things paranormal with some horror movie reviews sprinkled in. So join me on this spooky ride. Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie. We have a few little housekeeping things to talk about for right now and true crime and then we're going to go ahead and get into the episode. First thing is the daybell house is officially up for sale. The place that Chad DeBell and Alex Cox killed Tammy DeBell, the place that the kids were buried on the property is up for sale. So once Chad was arrested, John Pryor took over the deed of the house, meaning he is the technical owner of the house because Chad didn't have money to pay for his services, of course, as his lawyer, as his defense attorney. Emma DeBell moves her and her kids and her husband into this property, literally the same house where your mom was murdered. You move your family into the same property where the kids were buried. You have your kids outside playing in that area. It's insane. The house is officially up for sale. John Pryor, I guess, decided he is ready for his payday. So he put the house on the market and I will say the house is extremely creepy, eerie. I don't get good vibes from it. I feel like there's definitely something off about it. I don't even understand why anyone would want to live there. And I'm not a person that is really affected by stuff like that. I've always said that I wouldn't not really mind. I wouldn't mind living in a house where someone has passed away. I don't know. It doesn't really bother me, but there's something about this Chad DeBell house and property that gives me the worst juju vibes. I do not think that it is a good place. I don't think that it is a place where anyone could ever live and live peacefully. It gives me the creeps, the ultimate creeps. But there are pictures online. You guys should definitely check it out. And of course there's a a note up for, you know, people that are interested in the property. There's a note up that says private info agents. This is a stigmatized property. All requests to show must be vetted through the listing agent to be certain that the buyer is genuine and is aware of the trauma involved with the home. No curiosity seekers will be allowed to access the home and or grounds. Which I know is what they did as well with the Watts family home when they put that up. They even like put it up under a different address to avoid people from flocking to it and going to it. Of course the internet still found it and people were, you know, looking at it, posting pictures. It's a whole thing. But it's definitely interesting that someone would move to a property and like not Google the address first. Like all you have to do is Google the address of the house, which I'll actually give to you. So if you do want to look it up, you can. It's 202 North 1900 East Rexpert Idaho 83440. So definitely check it out. It is, like I said, uber creepy. It is for sale for $350,000 for a bed, a one and a half bath, almost 1900 square feet. And on a 3.75 acre lot, it was built in 1960. And it is officially, officially for sale. So check it out if you want to be creeped out. All right, moving on to Idaho news, Brian Coburger. His trial is officially slated to start in June of 2025. They are expecting it to last about three months, which is a long time. I think there is going to be a lot of evidence that is going to be brought forth in this case. And both sides have decided that they will be able to hopefully get everything together by June of 2025. It gives both sides a year, the prosecution, the state and the defense time to get everything. So and Taylor, who is Brian's lawyer, said that she is working towards a June 2025 trial and says that it is reasonable. They are going to decide whether or not to move the trial out of Laitau County, because there's a lot of media tensions surrounding this trial. And that is going to be discussed at a hearing on August 27th. And if they do decide to move the trial, that of course could affect the start date. So we might be looking at an alternate start date. But as of right now, we have an official trial date for June of 2025. And I've never been more ready in life for a trial. And Kaylee's dad, Steve, is quoted as to saying, we just want to know about the evidence. There's just a ton of unknowns. How long do you have to wait before you can find out about your own child's life and what happened? Who did this? And how do you hold them accountable? They are so desperate. These families are so desperate for justice. And the fact that they had to experience, of course, this trauma of having your children brutally murdered in their own home by this psychopathic weirdo, allegedly. And then there's delays, and there's more delays, and there's more delays, and there's more delays. And in all of these delays, they haven't been able to find out what happened. They don't know any more of the evidence than we know, because a lot of that has kept secret until the trial. Things are going to be coming out in this trial that I think are going to blow everyone's mind, myself included. And the families just want to have justice, have some sense of closure so they can continue to rebuild their lives and process what has happened. And all these trial delays and everything else, it's just prolonging it and making it that much harder, and that much more difficult for the families day in and day out. So I am so hopeful that hopefully next year, we will be in the midst of this trial, and we're going to be finding out probably some of the most horrific things ever. And at the end of it, at the end of those three months, I hope we have Brian Coburger, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty on all counts. And he gets exactly what's coming to him, whatever that may be. Okay, last thing I want to talk about real quick is Kaylana Turner, I have talked about her at length on this podcast. I did the interview with her mom back last year after she had gone missing and was severely mistreated by the Harris County Police Department. And she was missing for 407 days before she ended up being found, not far from where she initially disappeared from on that horrible day in March of 2023. So we knew that the family had been able to view the body cam footage finally after almost 407 days of not being able to view this body cam footage. They were finally able to view it, and it is horrific, is horrible. All the things that you think are in that body cam footage are in that body cam footage. That is why they wanted to keep it as close of a secret, keep it as close to themselves as they could, because it was horrible and it paints them in a horrible light. So KFDM, which is a news station out of Beaumont, Texas, which is by where Kaylana lived, they did a story where they did like a two part story on the news about Kay's story. They played some of the body cam footage, but they have uploaded every bit of body cam footage to their YouTube. KFDM YouTube definitely check it out. There's eight parts, and it is all different vantage points of that day. And I have honestly sat and watched through the majority of it just because I want to kind of see everything from start to finish. And when I tell you like, I knew what happened in the body cam footage, I have talked with Kaylana's mom, Rosa extensively, over the last year, we've discussed everything we've talked about them smashing her window with a two by four, which sounded so out of control to me. And then once I found out that it was a piece of fence slat, because Kaylana ended up going through a fence, it was a piece of fence slat that had like a another piece of wood on it. So it almost was in like the shape of a sledgehammer. When I found out that that's what he used to break her window, I was even more astonished. And I knew it was coming. But when I watched the body cam footage, I was absolutely shook and like speechless seeing it actually happen. I knew it was coming, but I wasn't expecting it. And the rest of what happens in the video, the way that they're talking, the way that they refer to her horrible, horrible, horrible. I cannot convey how angry and upset and devastating watching that body cam footage is just watching the little clip of it, knowing how it ends is horrible. But watching the whole thing, it really paints a different picture. And I encourage anyone that doesn't really understand a lot about the case or know a lot about the case to go watch that body cam footage and really understand what happened to that day never should have happened. They should have been able and taught how to deescalate a situation where you're dealing with somebody that is in a mental health crisis. And instead, they attacked her, she got terrified, she ran away, and then they basically just called her a bunch of names, stacked up a bunch of warrants and thought that they had it all figured out. Along with the homeowners and different people from the community who were also there with them, which very much confuses me because they are talking about how dangerous of a person she is, but yet they're letting the homeowners kind of go around with them to look for her, try to find her car. It was really freaking bizarre. And I don't know what else to say other than I am so ashamed that Harris County is the county that I live in. Harris County is massive, but I am ashamed that I live in Harris County 100%. I am ashamed that there's officers like that that represent this county that represent law enforcement. Something like that should never happen and it needs to be used as a learning opportunity. So it never happens again, because what happened to K. Alana can happen to anybody. If it can happen or hurt, it can happen to anybody. And we really need to have there be better training to recognize these mental health crises and learn how to deescalate. I mean, I have personally seen a lot of different situations where they there is law enforcement called to a situation. There's a mental health crisis and they do deescalate it in a very professional way because they have the training. They're able to recognize the signs and symptoms. They're able to kind of navigate it and figure it out. And that's not what happened here. And it is a huge mistake. It costs K. Alana her life. And it is going to be something that I'm not going to stop talking about until changes are made and responsibility is taken. So if you haven't watched the body cam footage, you have no idea what I'm talking about. Go back and listen to my K. Alana Turner episode. I released it two separate times. You'll have to go back and search, but it is there. I did an interview with her mom Rosa. It talks about everything that happened. And then she was missing for 407 days before they found her remains not far from where she disappeared from less than a thousand feet away from where she disappeared from. Because the whole time they were searching, they were searching in the wrong spot because law enforcement gate kept the body cam footage for 400 plus days. So if you don't know what I'm talking about, check that episode out. Check out the YouTube channel for the news station in Beaumont. You can watch all the body cam footage or just even the short snippet that they did for the episode on that they did on K. Alana. There's two parts, but that is all that I have to say right now. It has been a super emotional week because of all of that, because this case is one that has stuck with me. And I think it will stick with me for life because it's just horrible and it never should have happened. So now that all of that is done, we are going to go ahead and get started with today's episode. Okay, guys, welcome to part nine of summer series 2024, Dan Markel. We are getting close to the end of the trial. Finally, I feel like it has gone on for quite a long time, even though the trial was quite short in consideration to last year's summer series where the trial went on for weeks and weeks and weeks. But still, there's a lot of information trying to pack it all into these episodes. So thank you so much for bearing with me. Today, we are on episode nine. We are going over the cross examination by Georgia Kaplanman and the state to Charlie Adelson. So this is officially day seven of the trial. And let me tell you, Georgia Kaplanman definitely gave Charlie a run for his money. She pretty much challenged every single thing that he said and wanted more and more details, more and more answers about everything that Charlie said. And they kind of went around in circles a bit about the different layers of the story. And Georgia Kaplanman very much told Charlie that it's absurd that he was putting forward that initially he believed, although he was being extorted Katie was one protecting him and keeping him safe. And didn't really think that she was part of the extortion, even though now he's saying that she was clearly part of the extortion. She also pushed back about how Charlie never hired a bodyguard or hired a private investigator after the extortion took place, because he said he was terrified. He put up all these security cameras. He slept with a gun by his bed. If that was the case, why wouldn't he have gone the extra step and higher security, hire a private investigator, try to get to the bottom of this. He never did any of that. Georgia Kaplanman then went on to ask Charlie if he thought that his mom had a favorite child, and Charlie said my mom doesn't say she has a favorite, but I don't think she likes my older brother referring to the older brother who is estranged from the family, because he's the only smart one. Georgia Kaplanman went on to ask about why Wendy testified that she was getting along pretty good with Dan Markel prior to his death, and asked if was that not true. And Charlie said I wasn't leading her life. He basically went on to say that there wasn't any divorce on the face of the earth that was pleasant, and theirs was no different. Then Georgia went on to ask him if it was part of his defense to minimize how nasty and pretentious the divorce was. And he disagreed that he was supposed to downplay how difficult the divorce was, and how difficult everything was on Wendy and on his mother, Donald Adelson. Georgia Kaplanman went on to tell Charlie that everyone should be able to agree that Wendy obviously knew that something was going on and knew about the crime, and then talked about how she went to the crime scene, and Charlie denied that, and even though there's evidence that she did kind of technically go to the crime scene, Charlie ended up denying that. And Georgia said she pulled up to the crime scene tape. It's like she couldn't help herself. She exposed you to you all to some degree by those actions, didn't she? And Charlie disagreed with that, and he said nobody knew that there was going to be a murder. And then Georgia Kaplanman said, and then what she proceeded to do was throw you under the bus. She knew her husband had just been shot, and she said your name within the first 25 pages of a five hour interview, which is true. That's exactly what Wendy did. Charlie said back that he didn't feel anger towards Wendy for this, because she did mention a lot of other names as well in the interview, not just his. And then Georgia Kaplanman asked, are you pissed that she told all of that stuff to Jeff Lacos? And that was basically referring to her telling Jeff about the celebration dinner, and how Charlie had joked about hire a hitman, but buying a TV was cheaper. And Charlie also had bragged about having some connections to all of these criminals. And Charlie denied that anything that Wendy had said to Jeff was incriminating at all. And Georgia Kaplanman asked, so you think that Jeff is just making all of this up? And Charlie basically said, yes. Then Georgia Kaplanman went on to talk about the financial aspect of things and how all of this would lead for Charlie Adelson to basically come up ahead, because there was a lot of different plans that were set into place and payments that were set into place. She basically said that Wendy got 2.7 million in benefits for her children plus 4800 a month. And Charlie did not want to admit it, but he did and said that Wendy was the executor of 90% of the money. And they went on to go back and forth in regards to financials and the financial gain that Wendy had by Dan Markel no longer being alive. And Charlie basically said to Georgia Kaplanman, will you know more about it than I do? She then went on to ask him about the text messages back and forth between him and Donna in regards to Harvey Adelson's 70th birthday. So this took place between the first attempted murder in June and the actual murder in July. Georgia Kaplanman asked Charlie why Donna had asked him to erase the text that they had gone back and forth about and why there was secrecy over a quote unquote birthday present. And then she asked Charlie a series of questions and he wasn't really able to answer any of these questions in a logical way. She asked Charlie do you think that everyone involved should be convicted even the person who hired the hit? Do you regret that Dan Markel suffered for 14 hours before he died? Did it surprise you that the cops were able to identify the barriers? Was the police work in this case thorough? Was the money damp? And then she went on to ask why did whoever did it have to kill someone to extort you? Why couldn't they just come and kill you? And Charlie responded well thank God they didn't and Georgia Kaplan was kind of surprised by this and she said thank God they didn't and he said I would have gotten killed. Charlie is not a very smart witness. He is just not a very smart witness. Then Georgia Kaplanman went on to say I still don't know how killing Dan Markel advanced their goal of extorting you and then asked Charlie if he knew and Charlie had really no explanation. So that is pretty much your Georgia Kaplanman's cross-examination of Charlie Adelson and then they end up going on break and they come back so the defense Daniel Rashbaum is now doing a redirect examination of Charlie Adelson. He yet again reiterated that in 2014 at that point he didn't believe that Katie was actually extorting him. It wasn't until she officially went to trial and they talked about all of the finances and everything that he knew that Katie was the one who was behind it all and he also had thought that Luis Rivera was the one who was the shooter not Siegfriedo Garcia. Daniel Rashbaum then went on to say that the state's theory is that the four members of the Adelson family Donna Harvey, Wendy and Charlie participated in the murder for hire and he said their theory is wrong about your sister and Charlie said 100% and Daniel Rashbaum said just like they're wrong about you and he said 100% and with that the defense officially rests and the state has rested and closing arguments are going to be taking place on the next day but because we're only eight and a half minutes into this episode they are going to be taking place right now we're going to get into it. We are getting so so close to the end of this trial. So Georgia Kaplanman is giving the closing for the state. She basically kind of relays everything that she's been talking about this whole trial that Charlie viewed Dan Markel as a threat to his family and their ability to live nearby where Wendy is and he was keeping her away and keeping the kids away so they saw this as a threat and Charlie kind of self-appointed himself as the savior of the family and wanted to come in and save the day and rescue everyone. She also very much thinks that if Charlie truly did think that he was being extorted and that Katie or he were in danger that he wouldn't have just sat there and taken it he would have taken more extreme measures he would have gone to the police and he wouldn't have just gone along with it. He also said that it was really odd that he and Katie ended up getting closer when she was in the process of extorting him even though at the time he didn't realize he was quote unquote being extorted. It was really weird that they would have grown closer during that and then she also said that people don't talk in code if they haven't done anything wrong and she said the players that are in this case are very smart they've given a lot of thought to their preparations before this and to their explanations. She then went on to say that even though Charlie Adelson isn't the one who necessarily pulled the trigger that you don't have to actually be the one to pull the trigger to be guilty and she said without every player in this conspiracy the murder doesn't get done and then she went on to say without the information from inside the family they wouldn't have known where to go in order to commit the crime and then she basically says with everything that you've heard throughout this trial how many different explanations can you string together before it's no longer reasonable and there's so many coincidences and all of this thing and all of them start and end with Charlie Adelson or an Adelson in general and she ends it by saying he's smart successful he's a wealthy successful murderer and the state finishes his closing arguments at 11 18 a.m. then the defense goes on to their closings and initially when Daniel Rashbaum started this thing with opening statements he talked about everything being a puzzle piece and he started off by saying what you see in this trial is a mountain of reasonable doubt sometimes the simple answer is the wrong answer sometimes things aren't so simple and that's what we have in this case Charlie Adelson didn't have a motive to up end his life he said of course Wendy was upset of course Donna was upset but all of this doesn't point to and lead to murder and he says that Wendy and her boys moving to south Florida wouldn't have impacted Charlie's life significantly at all and then he also goes on to say that at both alleged murder attempts well the first murder attempt and then the actual murder that Dan Markel actually had custody of the kids and he said does that make any sense there's no chance that these people were behind the murder that they would take any risk that those boys would be in the crosshairs and then he said that just a couple of weeks before the murder Sigfredo Garcia tried to run Charlie off the road and Daniel Rashbaum said this doesn't make any sense why would he do this murder for hire if he hated him and tried to run him off the road so that doesn't connect either he's definitely trying to grasp its draws here trying to create that reasonable doubt he then went on to say that it doesn't make any sense that Charlie would continually joke about hiring a hitman if he actually was planning on doing it and he said criminals do not advertise what they are about to do that makes no sense and he also questions why there wasn't a payment made up front if it was the plan for them to take this hit out and kill Dan Markel why wasn't money put up front instead of paid in installments and that part doesn't make any sense either is what he's saying he then goes on to talk about Katie McBannewa and her testimony and basically how she ended up conning Charlie Adelson he said on the night of the 18th he was scared he didn't think she was part of it he thought she was protecting him and then Daniel Rashbaum goes on to ask why the state didn't ask Katie questions about the wires or call her back on the stand in rebuttals after Charlie's testimony happened and he says the reason that this didn't happen is because even the state can't trust Katie and he said the truth is even they have doubt that's why it took them six years after her arrest to even charge Charlie Adelson ask yourself why are they so afraid to ask her any of those questions definitely trying to create reasonable doubt amongst this jury for sure Katie was the mastermind Katie did all of the stuff she obviously lied under oath in these other trials she's just now saying this we cannot trust her we can't believe her Charlie's innocent that is what he is portraying for sure he then goes on to say that none of the Adelson's did anything after the fact that made them look suspicious none of them got any burner phones or did anything sketchy they didn't run they didn't hide then he brings up why Charlie didn't go to the cops when he knew that the extortion was happening and Daniel Rashbaum basically says he had just seen what happened to Professor Markel and he knew that the people that were involved were very dangerous he goes on to say you wonder why he is talking the way he's talking in Dolce Vida he's freaking out he thinks that his mom if they don't end up paying is going to get killed and then he goes on talking about this Dolce Vida recording he says there's no code words in the recording at all but they are talking in a very careful manner and he says that he is Charlie is speaking with Katie carefully because he needs her help and doesn't want to scare her and when Charlie is having his conversations as well with his mom he's also speaking carefully because he doesn't want anyone to find out about the extortion that has been happening he's trying to cover up this extortion and he goes on to say that the wiretap show his innocence and they certainly don't show proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty Daniel Rashbaum says the presumption of innocence means that we presume the best about people we presume them to be blameless that means when you're listening to these wires if there are two possible explanations you go with the one that is favorable to Charlie when you have two explanations both of them reasonable you go with the one that presumes his innocence that's how our system works if you waver at all that is living breathing proof of reasonable doubt and when you find yourself doing that you must find Charlie Adelson not guilty because that is reasonable doubt and that shows the state did not meet its burden he lastly says there is only one verdict in this case count one not guilty count two not guilty count three not guilty and this nightmare send him home thank you your honor the defense officially finishes its closing arguments at 125 p.m. and Georgia Kaplan from there begins the state's rebuttal immediately after and basically the state's rebuttal is very very simple Georgia Kaplan is questioning why Charlie would be gifting different things to Katie if she was in the process of extorting him then she goes on to talk about the testimony of jeff le cost and how they really are trying and grasping at straws to try to discredit his testimony and his statements but he really has no dog in the fight he has no reason to lie about any of this so she ends up finishing rebuttal by saying the defendant is smart and that they had over a year to play in this murder with the goal of not getting caught and he's had seven years to think about his defense drop the freaking mic Georgia Kaplan what a way to end it what a freaking way to end it so at 144 p.m. the jurors are given instructions about how deliberations should be conducted and at 148 p.m. the jury begins their deliberation in the murder for a higher plot for Dan Markel in the trial of Charlie Adelson and that is where we are going to pick up next episode will officially be the last episode of the summer series 2024 we are going to talk about obviously the verdict we're going to talk about the sentencing and then we're going to talk about all of the new things that have happened in this case since Charlie's trial because we have Donna Adelson who is now in prison facing the same charges as Charlie just about and we're going to talk about all of that and all the details of her arrest and all of the things because we have obviously more to cover so stay tuned for that episode next week and I will see you guys then I thank you so much for joining me on this summer 2024 series I know it has been a wild ride but at the end of the day it's all about getting justice for Dan Markel it has been a long road to justice and we are slowly but surely getting there so thank you guys I appreciate each and every one of you for supporting the podcast and listening week in and week out conversing with me on social media it was one of my favorite things to chat with you guys about what you think about the different cases but anyways I will see you guys on Monday and I hope you have a fantastic weekend ahead bye it is solvable it was solvable two weeks after it happened march 25th 2004 cross planes Tennessee bur last day question mark jennifer just 21 stands in the kitchen of her boyfriend joey benton's family home where she and her two-year-old daughter Adriana wicks happen living she has the only phone in the home in her hand and is on a call with her father jennifer expresses how the night before she and her boyfriend's parents joe and cindy benton have been involved in a very heated argument in fact it was so heated that jennifer was still rattled from the night before she moves the receiver down to talk to a muffled female voice coming from behind her she then says goodbye to her father and hangs up the phone and what happens next well that's what we're here to find out isn't it jennifer and Adriana wicks have not been seen or heard from since march 25th 2004 i'm a true crime 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