* Welcome to drinkin' bros kids! I've been waiting for this show for a long time. Gentlemen to my left, Mr. Ron White's, no, not that Ron White's. The memory expert Ron White walked in and on my calendar, it said the memory expert was coming today. But I didn't know what your actual name was and then you said Ron White and I was like "Oh, well Christ." And then you seemed like a nice man and everything else, and I go "What do you do?" And you go "I'm the memory expert" and I was like "Holy shit! I've been waiting for this. One, I've got a terrible memory, I carry, a lot of people ask why there's always a sharpie in my hand and like writing on my arms, that's because my memory is that awful. If I don't write on the back of my hands, what I need to do throughout the day, I'll forget it. So every day you're going to find something scribble on me somewhere, can you fix me first of all? Well, the other Ron White, you know, he can't fix stupid. Sure can't. I can fix stupid. Okay, good, you got your work cut out when you're here. Yeah, today. For this guy. Today. It's bad. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened over the years with memory. Is it age or is it some people can just do it automatically? It's both. You know, I'd say as our processing speed, how fast we process information, we'll probably peak between the ages of 27 and 30, early 30s. That processing speed will slow it down about half a percent to a percent every year as we age. What if you do meth? If you do meth, that accelerates it. Does it really? It actually does. Oh, sure. Okay. I kind of feel like meth would help for a little while, all right? It hasn't. It's like taking a cortisone shot, right? Yeah. Like your shit is getting fucked up, but it doesn't feel like it. Yeah. I guess, I guess so. We try to play. This is dead serious. My wife and I try to play Jeopardy every night. Right. You keep the memory sharp and you're thinking of things and all that other stuff. That's it. That's the only reason why we do it. Neural plasticity, right? Yes. Biring neurons to keep them in shape, just like you would work out. Correct. Makes sense. And then doing this show on a daily basis, I get to learn about brand new things, talk to brand new people every single day, every day's a mystery, clearly it was when you walked in today. Right. I would have worn a memory expert t-shirt. That's just me. Right. But promote the brand, Ron. Right. I know. I don't have a t-shirt. You like my Walmart t-shirt here? I like all of you. You get a major league hat on from Charlie Sheen. Yeah. From baseball, isn't that a great company, by the way? Awesome company. I love those guys. They need to make more stuff, but it's a good company. They have brick and mortars now. I know. There's one at Texas Live. It was. Yeah. I took my son in there for the home of Derby. It was great. We got some merch in there. Yeah. It was awesome. But over my life, I have met people who have incredible memories. So my background is Hollywood, movies and all that other stuff. When I was directing and producing films, there were certain actors that I would hire because I knew they could memorize anything in a matter of minutes, and it was easy, especially on an independent movie when you're moving around a lot. Like Range 15, for example, was a good one. Most of those guys, and I don't know if it's having a military background, all of them could memorize very, very quickly, and they were very good with dialogue. Actors, it's hit and miss. I was one of those people that I had a page count where if it was over six pages the night before, terrible with the rest of it. But I was good for six. I could memorize six pages. Couldn't really go beyond that, and it cost me a couple of jobs because I didn't want to bomb doing it. Why are certain people born with a better memory than others? Yeah. Well, you go to the military, guys. Perhaps, focus is the first key to your memory. If you're not focused, if you're not paying attention, you're not going to remember anything. I mean, you walk into a room, and somebody says their name, and you're not listening, you're not going to remember it. So perhaps, these military guys that you worked with, they knew the importance of being focused and all the time. They had been in situations where it was life or death, and what their focus was. So perhaps, they had an ability to focus that the other guys didn't have, and that gave them an advantage. Also maybe, some people can just naturally visualize stuff. They can kind of see the words on the paper. If you can imagine something as a picture, the odds of you remembering it skyrocketed. I see words in my head when I'm talking. Oh, really? Yeah. He's autistic. Relax, relax. But yeah, I see, when I'm memorizing a word or a number, I literally see a picture with my head. I didn't know that was associated with memory. I thought I was just a fucking weirdo. Well, you could be both. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. But you have Asperger's, right? So, like, doesn't that help? I don't know how it affects memory specifically. I mean, I think when he's talking about focus, yeah, it would because one of the things you can do is tune out all the external stimulus that's not what specifically what you're trying to do, right? That's the purpose of Adderall, for example, right? Is to tune out all the excess noise, put on blinders so you can just focus on one thing. That's what it helps with. Because one of the symptoms of ADHD is also, like, prolonged focus on us. So you get super hyper-focus on one thing for a little while, and then you just fucking lose it again, right? Okay. So maybe that has something to do with. I don't know. So I'm good with times. I can set a time for something, focus within that block, writing wise I can hit a page count memory wise I could memorize, you know, six pages worth of dialogue and material and all that stuff. But after that, there's some things that I just can't do for whatever reason. Well, you know, some people are going to say, "Hey, I'm great with things." Some people are going to say, "I can remember numbers easily," or, "Hey, I can remember scripts easily." And probably if those things are happening, it's because your brain is somehow making sense of it. Our brain has trouble remembering things that don't make sense to it, right? So if you're good with numbers and math and all that, you're probably going to remember more numbers because the numbers make sense to you. They mean something. If you're an actor, maybe you know the story of the movie. You know the plot line and you know what's supposed to happen. That kind of, it makes sense to you so it helps you remember the lines. If you can make something make sense to you in any way, whether it's crazy or silly, it'll help you remember it. So mine is a kid, always with flashcards. Right. So whenever I was studying for tests in college, all the way through college and grads, going on with other stuff, it was flashcards. And I had to physically write it down, see it, and then card over and over and over again like that. Well, somebody with a good memory is probably just doing that in their head. Right. And that's my point. I clearly wasn't born with that gift because that was pre, you know, two minutes, too much drugs and booze and all that other stuff. Like these guys, we leave the doors open to the studio. Anybody can come in and drink hard AF Seltzer, come and hang out and watch the show. I've met them before but I don't know their names. Dead serious. I can't remember people's names. And if you go back, like if I gave you my phone directory right now, you would go through and all of it is like, all right, Brian, Bolt, right, Courtney, huge tits. That's what it is. Let's meet you. Can you, uh, can you, uh, form me that last number? Oh, yeah. Courtney, I won't see if Courtney is still single, but do you know what, you're saved us? Uh, Dan Black rifle. That would be me. Dan, BRCC. Yeah. Yep. And that's the only way that I could associate because I know a lot of dance. Right. We got another one back here. And when he started work here, we had to come up with a nickname for him. So that way it was different than the other Dan. So he's Delco. All right. We call him Delco and then he's Dan and then that kind of clears up the confusion, at least for me and everybody else in the office, but I don't have that gift that you do. Well, you're talking about just having a good natural memory. Right. And what he does is something quite a bit different than that. Nobody comes out of the wound being able to memorize a deck of cards in a minute and 27 seconds, for example, which is one record he held for a while. Like a deck of cards. You flip them over, you go through all of them, a minute and 27 seconds. And then he can give them, hand it to somebody else and they can pull them out in order and he recites them front, front to back. So you're saying, that's right, you taught yourself to do this rather than being born to do this. Exactly. And that's kind of, you know, my message, I always tell people, I'm not born with an actually good memory. I learned a system, you know, I was an average guy, average memory, but I learned a system and it's no secret. I'll share the system. It's called the mind palace or the memory palace. I was gonna, I was gonna ask if it was memory palace. Yes. Yes. So where did you have you heard about that? Just in general. In general. But sir Arthur Conan Doyle talking about it back in the day. Yes, yes. You were talking about Sherlock Holmes before we started here today. He mentioned it in the early part of the 20th century. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I've been, I've known about it for a while. I think my brain does some of that stuff automatically because I went like when I, I have a really good memory and I just kind of visualize thing. It feels like, it feels like you're walking around looking for clues or facts, rather. You know what I mean? It's kind of interesting, but I don't do it on purpose or anything like that. I feel like I should give it a shot at some point just out of curiosity to see how it really works. Yeah. And for the audience today, if you guys are watching at YouTube and for the audio listeners, we're gonna test Ron live on air and I'm ants. I've been ants about it right before we came on and I, and I really want you to fuck up. So we'll find out. I'm thinking of mine. Mine. I'm a little nervous right now. Because look. I've got such supportive environment here. I might. Yeah. Ross has been talking in the whole time. Oh, yeah. Before the show started, I hope this guy fucks up because you've seen him on Good Morning America, Martha Stewart Show, Fox and Friends, CBS News, CBS Early Show, NBC, every, you've been everywhere doing these little tricks and things like that's before we get into some of those games has Hollywood people have they hired you in the past? Have people hired you CEOs and things like that to create a better memory? Yeah. Tofur Grace from. Yes. That's over. Yeah. Yeah. So he brought, he flew me up to California and I coached him a little bit on how to remember his lines. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Well, and it was, it was on a podcast for when it was live, you know, he put it out there for everybody. But yeah, he, he wanted me to coach him on that, but we did a live show about it. But yeah, that, but the CEOs, that's what I do for a living. I'll speak at conferences or conventions. I'll stand at the door, a hundred people will walk in, I'll shake a hundred hands as they walk in and then I'll get up on stage and I'll say, if you're one of the hundred hands I stood up or shook stand up, a hundred people will stand up and I'll say, you're Dan, you're Ross, you're Steve, you're Lisa, you're Jesse and then they will also down. So I know why Tofur asks you. So let's take that 70s show, for example, right, that script that he's getting once a week because that was back when they were doing 22 to 24 episodes and a brand new one every single week is roughly 35 pages. Tofur was the lead. So you got to memorize 35 pages every single week and it helps if you know the other actor's dialogue as well. It's extremely helpful. So I understand that soap operas are the hardest by far and they have, that is the best training you could ever get as an actor because you're doing a one hour show every single day. So you're getting a brand new 60 page script every single day that you have to memorize. You get two takes at it. So let's say your scene is in the morning and you guys are shooting at 7 AM. Now let's say an actor in that scene fucks up that scene two times in a row. They push that scene to the end of the day to punish them and then all the other actors in the scene are pissed off because then you're not going home until 12 hours later and then they tell you to go back to the dressing room and memorize that those lines. So that's why Tofur probably had you plus he was rich enough he was getting a million in an episode towards the end. You fucker. I didn't have that. I mean, that means decent money but not Tofur grace money Jesus Christ, man. So that's wild to me with the CEOs. What do they want to know? Well you think about it. You're a CEO. You got 100, 200 employees in your company. What's the benefit of being able to walk around and call your receptionist by her name, ask about her husband by name, build relationships through remembering names or you're a CEO. You want to stand up in front of a group and give a presentation and not read your power point, not read your notes. You're more credible. There's so much to learn in business or in what you guys there's always for us. For us it would be if this was a corporate environment, not a bunch of knuckleheads. My main goal would be to know not to tell like a weird joke to somebody who had personally experienced that weird event, right, like, because I say a lot of fucked up shit, not that I care about offending them, I just, I don't care that I offend you. I just don't want to go to the trouble of having to hire somebody new, right? Yeah. It's, we don't have time for that bullshit. So if I could avoid those pitfalls, tell her all the jokes and then fucking go over to Steve and tell him the ones I wouldn't tell her, then we're all set for the day. Exactly. And like there was a dude whose wife was Asian, I didn't see her because of this monitor right here. And I said, are you married to a niezer? You know? Now you learned before the show started with that, that's obviously the medical term that they call Japanese people. I did not know that. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what turns out she was Korean and not even Japanese. And I know, you know what I said, Ronni, I said, I don't care. Yeah. And it's all the same to me. Yeah. And here's Ross's feelings on that. If he can't find it, the two different places on a map, you're the same person. Yes. Yep. And I don't care after that. I mean, technically it's a disability. So if you make fun of them for it, then you're kind of a dick. Exactly. You better be rolling yourself, dude, you know, in a wheelchair. We got to see something from you. Well, yeah. I don't care if it's Pera. You know, if you're full quad, full fucking quad, obviously I'm going to care. But if it's Pera, sorry about it, you know, and Ron, you're looking at me right now like you're going to get canceled. I'm sorry for that. I'm going to get canceled. No, dude. I don't care. I know. I know who you guys are. I'm fully prepared for this. Thank you. I'm fully prepared to get unfollowed. I'm fully prepared to everything and I don't care. I've done what I wanted to do in my life. I live where I want to live. Everything else is gravy. Let's go. All right. Let's get into it. Who's the most high powered CEO you've worked with? Well, you're probably not going to know his name, but I'll tell you, it's the craziest thing that's ever happened to be in 33 years of teaching memory. I started when I was 18. I'll let everybody do the math 33 plus 18. And a couple of years ago, maybe a decade ago, 15 years ago, I'm in a, given a speech at a conference and I memorized a 50 digit number for him and I set it forwards and backwards. Guy in the front row, he said, Ron, if you teach me how to do that, I'll give you $100,000. And I thought, what is he talking about? He's already paid me to speak here and it definitely wasn't $100,000. He's joking. So I went on with my speech and at the end of my speech, you know, 30 minutes later, I said, I'm going to say, you know, it's kind of like ice in the kicker, you give them a number and then 30 minutes later, you have them repeat it, but it's impressive when you wait 30 minutes. So I said, all right, now 30 minutes later, I'm going to repeat it. The guy at the back of the room, then Jerry, Jerry said, you know what, Ron? I've been studying this 50 digit number. I can say it now. And the guy on the front row, Brent Ryan, who offered me a hundred grand, he turned back to him and he goes, Jerry, if you say the number, I'll give you the $100,000. And I'm like, what, I've already said it, wait a minute, this is for real? Who the hell are you guys? You know, Jerry at the back of the room says the 50 digit number. I'm not kidding. You Brent Ryan, that's his name in Dallas. Brent Ryan walks over there, writes him a check for a hundred grand, three days later, Jerry emails me and said, Ron, I cash the check, the money cleared. It's in my bank. I owe you dinner. I'm like, you don't owe me dinner. You owe me a car. Yeah, you owe me fucking half, dude. Well, we went and had dinner and then I approached Brent Ryan and, you know, it's a little extraordinary. But I said, hey, I'll coach you how to memorize all your employees' names and I will charge you. And it was, to me, it was an astronomical amount of money, but I had a feeling this guy had a lot of money. Sure. He didn't blink and he paid it to me. And I do have permission to use his name, he told me, you know, but that's the craziest thing that's happened. I'll say there's been some big CEOs on the meetings. I think, like Dan said, it is important though, like it really is. And some of the most impressive people I've met in my life are so locked and in focus that you feel like you've known them for 30 years, remembering who they are, things about their family and all the other stuff like Dan saying, it really helps. It really is important. We just meet so many people on a daily basis. It's just so hard, man. And I don't know anybody's names. You want me to, nobody can see them about me, but I can tell you how I could memorize these guys live in front of you and show you how I'm doing it. Give me some advice. Okay. Sure. Do that. Yeah. So, sir, what is your name? Colton. So to remember anything, you got to turn it into a picture. What's a picture for the name Colton? Can you think of anything? Of course. Colton Underwood. Baby horse. A baby horse. A cult. Now we got to pick out something unique on his face. So this is the time to make fun of him. Seaman. If you run a black light, you see him all over that face and it's in his beard. I think his eyes, you know, his eyes are kind of, he's got to have those beady eyes or something. They're not beady eyes, but I would see a cult horse in his eyes. Next time he's walking through that door, I would try to look at his eyes and imagine that cult horse again for Colton. Well, what's the prompt to make you think of a cult horse in his eyes though, if you don't see him for six months and you see him walk through the door? Well, the prompt is his eyes. So if you got a, this is what you got to commit to. You got to say for the next 21 days, every time I meet somebody, I'm going to turn their name into a pitcher. You meet somebody named Steve, that'll be Stove. Lisa, that'll be the Mona Lisa. And if you can build up a glossary, like an encyclopedia in your mind, that just takes practice. It's going to take you a month. It's not fun. Well, that's how vocabulary works though, right? That's how vocabulary works. Yeah. And that's such a, I love the way you phrase that. Because people tell me, Ron, I could never do this as too much. I said, do you think you could learn Spanish? Well, yeah, I can learn Spanish since the same thing, you're learning the vocabulary of memory. I mean, speaking is thinking, right? Yeah. That's what it is, really. You're just thinking out loud. So the two are the same. It's just like different iterations. As Gary here is, as Gary founds back there? Let's try to teach Gary something. Yeah. Bring him, bring him up. Grab a microphone back there. No, no, no. No, we're lying. We're lying. We're lying. We need two minutes for you. Yeah. Give me two minutes. What the fuck? He's-- You need to do a bump? He came to work today with no clothes on. He's just digging clothes out of the front. Yeah, dude. A box of black rifle t-shirts has showed up and he just grabbed one like it lives here. Yeah. Give me two minutes. I know. I just shit my pants almost. We're live on air. Great. So here's a perfect example. With this dude, because he's such a piece of shit, easiest name to remember for me and it's like, "Oh dude, that's Gary Faust." You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So for you, what's a trick for you with this guy? Well, see, I would not-- I don't try-- so Gary for me is a garage, right? But the important thing is-- Why is Gary a garage? It just sounds the same, G-A-R, garage, Gary. Okay. But you want to get an image for a name that every Gary is a garage. Every Colton is a Colt. You don't want to make the picture specific to the person because then I'll agree with you. It would just be too much. You want a standard set of two or three hundred pictures that are going to be obvious. Oh, dude, that guy's getting crushed by a garage. You know, boom, it slams on his head and we tell ourselves a crazy story. He's getting decapitated. If we actually saw it-- Everything you just said I thought was actually going down because that's Gary's life. Or once I realized it wasn't actually going down now, I could picture it happening to Gary for sure. Yeah. Over and over again. But that's that specific, Gary. I think Gary Carter from the fucking Mets back in the day is going to have any of these problems. Yeah. It's just that one. You know how I know we're living in a simulation? Here we go. I hit my head on my garage door walking out of my house this morning. Look at that. I'm not kidding at all. Look at that, dude. And then here he is. Well. Shit in his pants and just walking up, dude. Is any of this real Doko? We'll find out. We're going to find out today. So there was some fun, flirty games that you said we could play with you here and try to get into it. What's the first one where we're asking different people numbers? Oh. Well, it's the second one, actually. No. That's the first one. The second one, he asked me-- and I'll tell the audience this now. He asked me to write down 50 numbers completely at random in a row. And he says, email it to him. He looked at him before the show. I watched him do it. He was lost in thought, gnawing on his lip. You touched your junk a couple times. Yeah. And then I said, look, we'll wait until the end of the show because I want to see if you can do this. I'll read you off all 50 numbers. You said you could say them backwards and forwards. That one I want to say to the end because if you're that good, you're that good. You know what I'm saying? Well, I don't know, though, because he's already memorized those. I think that should come first. Then he's going to have to-- because now he's going to have to memorize a whole new set of numbers. Well, then you're going to get-- You're the memory expert. I think you've got to give him more time to memorize the other set of numbers. No. No. That's not how this works. So this is a good cop back cop. I have watched enough YouTube interrogations to know that this is a good cop back cop. I'm the good cop in this one, dude. Are you? Yeah. This can never be a cop. This is a real test. This is a real test right here. So what's the first one when you're asking for people for numbers? So OK. So let me preface this by saying what will make this more difficult. I just memorized a 60-digit number, right? You have to store that in a mind palace, right? I have a primary mind palace that I use all the time. I've stored that in my mind palace. Now we're getting ready to do a second demonstration right back to back. If I put this on my first mind palace, there's no way. I will confuse the numbers. OK. So I'm going to have to-- Well, then I'll do the first one first. No, no, no. What he's saying is he's going to create a secondary mind palace to store this new set of numbers. Yeah. This palace exists in your mind? Think of it like a childhood bedroom or something like that. A place that you walk into every day of your life for a while, you know every fucking inch of that place. And you can go place the image, the picture of a number underneath a book that sits on your desk all the time or something like that, right? OK. That's, I guess, reductive. No, no, I know what you're saying, because I'm thinking of my bedroom at home currently right now. Yes, I could walk into that. Like if something's out of place, you would know, right? Right. Which means you have memorized that place. Yes. So this is what we'll do. It's going to be much more difficult, but I'm a big boy. Let's go. Colton, and y'all, we're going to have to write this down on track and Gary and Gary too back there. Yeah. OK. So put that about. There you go. There we go. Colton, give me, and I'll, we'll get a, we'll get about 20 digit number here. Colton, give me a two digit number. It's 69. 69. God damn it. Of course. Shocking. Everybody in the room is going to be 16. Asshole. This is going to be 6969. How about a two digit number? 24. 24. OK. 17. OK. That's good. But let me pace it if you could. 17. How about a two digit number? 98. 98. All right. Gary, do you have a microphone? 11. OK. Let me pace it if you could. But next one's 98 and then 11. OK. How about we go back to, we go back, oh, hang on one second. I already messed up here. Can I repeat it so far? Yep. It's 6924. And then after the 24, is it 179811? Yes. OK. We're good. The guy over here in the red hat. 23. Michael Jordan. Got it. I was going to say Jordan. Fuck. OK. Y'all are taking all the good numbers? I know. How about a two digit number? 47. 47. OK. Colton. 15. 15. 15. All right. We're going to do two more. 33. 33. That's my favorite number. 33 represents my mom. She passed away two years ago almost exactly. A two digit number? 71. 71. So, all right. I called on y'all 10 times. So that is a 20 digit number. I don't know if I got this 100% right or not, but I like to try. I believe that number. I don't see it anywhere if I'm going to close my eyes just in case I think it's cheating. I believe it should be 69 and then 241798112347153371. That's right. Oh, yeah. Are you fucking kidding me? Boo, yeah, baby. Yeah. Shit. Run. Shit. You should just commit Harry Carrey right now. No, no, no. Cut your own head off. For the audio listeners, I really want to point this out. So Dan Holloway wrote this down on his computer and then turned the computer away from him so you couldn't see Dan's computer. That was real legit. Jesus Christ. No, dude. Would you like me to say it backwards? Sure. Yeah. I'm just kidding. If I could do that, I'd be on that show on the National Geographic channel Brain Games. And I am. That number going backwards is 173351 and then 7432 and then 118. And now 89 and then 74296. Correct. Okay. Jesus Christ. What do you got to say now, you bitch? No, man. He's good. God. I appreciate him. That's crazy, man. The nature. Holy shit. Never. I mean, not in a million years. That took less than five minutes, by the way. Yes. To memorize a 20-digit number for forward and backwards. Well, I mean, it's 50 times at one coming up. So. Yeah. That one is. 25, 30, 35, 40. Yeah. It's about 55, 56, 60 digits. Yeah. Okay. Are you ready for that one? Well, I can say that one. But I want to say this before because I don't want to float my own ego here. There's nothing special about me. There's nothing unique about me. I've talked to Dan before the show and I've listened to him. You know, I've followed him on Instagram. He's a smart guy. You're a smart guy. So it's just a system. And I'll walk you through the mind-power system here in a second, but I want to emphasize them. I'm not trying to puff my own ego up, although I do enjoy doing this and I do enjoy proving you wrong. Yeah. Exactly. But at a dinner party or a function, this is one of those party tricks that is awesome and fascinating and no one else, probably in the room, can do it. You're absolutely right. You know, going back to the Spanish analogy, I asked people, they say, "I can never do that. It's Spanish." Yeah. Well, Spanish isn't necessary. People are impressed if you are fluent, but they, you know, they kind of slough it off. But since not many people know this language, it just blows everybody away, but it's the same comparison. It's real similar. Well, you've done some pretty unique things as well, like you memorized all the names of every US service member that died in Afghanistan, for example. Yeah. So I started teaching memory seminars when I was 18 years old. So you started doing the bullshit when you were a kid? Six weeks out of high school. Oh, wow. I got it. I took a job. I took six weeks out of high school. I took a job as a telemarketer and selling memory courses. About 10 years later, I was 28. I did the math just in my head, pretty impressive, right? 10 years later, I was 28. And it was September 11th. So most, you know, most people don't join the military when they're September 11th, but my friend and I, after September 11th, as a response to that, we joined the military. I was deployed to Afghanistan in 2007. When I got back from Afghanistan, I was an IS, an intelligence specialist in the Navy, IS-1. When I got back from Afghanistan, that's when I started winning the memory championships, and I started breaking the records and that kind of thing, and then, you know... Was it just to do it? Yes. Okay. Or was there like a financial reward? Zero. Really? It's one of the things like climate Everest, you just fucking get to say you did it. Exactly. Oh, boy. Man, they should give you money for that. They give those little kids, those little Indian kids shit, for winning spelling bees. She'd get money for this for Christ's sake. This is a lot harder than that. Hey, I'm not going to argue with you, but it doesn't happen. But the reason I did it is so, by the time I won my first memory championship was 2009, so I'd been teaching memory seminars for 18 years, and I'd been doing demonstrations like this. So for 18 years, I'm standing at the back of the room getting introduced, and the MC is saying, "We want to welcome up to the stage one of the top memory experts in the world." And it just didn't sit right with me. I'm like, "What have I done to prove this? Did I just tell everybody I'm the top memory expert? Or have I done something to actually prove it?" So it was just an integrity thing for me. I wanted to play with the big boys. I wanted to prove that I could do what they do, and then go back to my world. And that's what I did. I won the 2009 and 2010 USA Memory Championship. 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They have a sheet of paper and it has 2 or 300 photographs on it and first and last names underneath it and they let you look at it for 15 minutes then they take it away and they give you another sheet, the same pictures but in randomized order. And blank. So you write the name. Exactly. Interesting. So every correct name that you get right, spelled right, you get one point. So my top score of that is I memorized 155 names in 15 minutes. The next event is they'll give you a sheet of paper with 400 digits on it and they'll give you 5 minutes to study it and then you memorize that and then they take the paper away and they give you another sheet of paper. I held the record for that for a couple years or one year, 167 digits in 5 minutes. And then the next event is deck of cards, same thing, you memorize it, do it, reassemble it. Then at this point there's 50 people in the room. They eliminate it down to 8. These 8 go up on stage and it's like a survivor thing. You know, they give everybody, it's the craziest thing. Five people walk up and so imagine this, there's 8 people up there, 8 memory athletes. That's what they call them. 8 memory athletes on stage, 5 people walk up and they say, "My name is Colton Smith. My address is this and it's a fake address. My address is this. The city and state is this. The zip code is this. The phone number is this. My birthday is this. My dog's name is this. It's this type of dog. It's this color. My favorite foods are this and my 3 favorite hobbies are this." Then he goes off stage and 5 people do that and then they bring those 5 people back and they'll say, "Colton, person number 2, what's his phone number?" And they eliminate 3 people that way and then there's another event where they eliminate 3 people. And then the last event, there's 3 people on stage. They give them an identical deck of 104 cards and we all memorize the same randomized deck and they hand you the microphone, you say it's a spades. I say not a dominance or whatever it is. You say 3 clubs. You say Queen of Hearts and we keep going until 2 people make a mistake and the last person standing is the USA Memory Champion. Who was the first guy? It's sudden death. It's sudden death. Yes. And I like that. That's awesome. Who was the guy who won it the first year when you came in second? That was the second 2 years. He won 9 and 10 in the second and 11 and 12. Okay, who was the guy that came in first? Well, you know, some asshole. Nelson Dallas. I'm joking. He's a good guy. He's a good friend of mine. He's a great guy. And he, in 2009, I competed against him and he did very well. I think he came in second that year, 2010, he came in second. So we were like battling it out for about 4 years but Nelson Dallas and he's a wonderful guy. You ever thought about killing? I mean, I'm just saying, it'd be great if he wasn't that you would have been a 4-time member. I've told him that many times. 4's better than 2. We looked down on LeBron James because he only has 4 and he's like, "Oh, you're not Kobe." You know, like, "Fuck off. You're not Jordan." Yeah. It's interesting that it ends in a sudden death like that, like that. Now, one of the events you mentioned is memorizing the deck of cards. For some amount of time, you held the record for the quickest memorization of a 52, randomized two-card deck and it was a minute and 27 seconds. The record now is like 12 seconds in change. Is it really? That's like somebody running a one-minute mile or something. Shit. Because it's some Indian kid, right, that holds it right now. How did it go so fucking far? If you watch, like, we talk about the Jesse Owens Olympics a lot, but if you watch the events they were doing and compare it to now, they're doing like, they wouldn't even metal in the women's sports now. They wouldn't even qualify for the Olympics in the women's sports now. That's how far it's come, but that's 100 years, right? For example, let's take Roger Bannister who broke the four-minute mile, the first one to break the four-minute mile. My wife and I were watching the Olympic trials because the Olympics start tonight. Love watching the Olympics. It's awesome. And she's like, "Why are you watching this?" I'm gonna go. Human performance. Human performance, one, two, in particular, she goes, "Why are you watching female track athletes right now?" And I go, "Why are your pants around your ankle?" Yeah. "Why is a belt around your neck and there's baby oil over yourself and you're about to get on a stool?" Yeah, why is he? There was no stool. But I told her I go, "As I was walking by the TV to grab a beer and wait for real athletes, the men to come on, the announcer said, "The announcer's no lie," said, "Yeah, so the winner here will finish sub four minutes in a mile." And I was like, "For women?" Wow. I was like, "There's no way." And so, I told Jessie my wife and she goes, "Come on." She's like, "A woman can run a sub four a mile." I go, "It's what they said." You know what it is, though? It's never just one person that does it because two years before this kid broke the record, I think it went all the way down to 13.9 and now it's at 12.74. To memorize 52 cards, by the way. Right. But like, it's never just one person. All of a sudden, everybody's running a sub four. This is that. I mean, that's the worst one. I'm curious, like, what developed in memorization all of a sudden, between now and 15 fucking years ago, the dudes were able to do this shit? But even in that trial that I was telling you, Dan, you're right. There was two women that finished under a four minute mile. It's never just one. It was unbelievably impressive. It's like nobody knows they can do it until somebody does it, and then all of a sudden everybody fucking does it. Yeah. Why is that? It's so wild. I think, well, first of all, I think you're right. I think it's a mental barrier. It's the Roger Banister four minute mile. There's a hundred percent. There's validity to that. That's a big part of it. Another huge part of it is, is the more you can compress information, the faster you can memorize it. So let's use this analogy. You want to memorize a 50 digit number, and you have a picture for every single digit number, zero to nine, sevens, dice, six is a six shooter, five is a star, and you have a picture for every single digit number. So you get a 50 digit number, you got 50 pictures, right? Well, what if you could compress that, and you could have a picture for every two digit number? Now you only need 25 pictures. Let's compress that a little more. You get a picture for every three digit number. Now you could memorize a 50 digit number with 17 images and one left over, or just 17 images. So that cards is the same way. Back when I started, people were almost memorizing one deck at a time. I mean, one card at a time, 52 images. And there was something on the scene that was just breaking through when, and I heard about it in 2009, it was called character action object. It's where you can combine three cards together. So that's what I did. I combined three cards together and I set the record. There's a guy named Joshua Fuller. He wrote a book called moon walking with Einstein. It's he's a friend of mine. I don't get anything by mentioning this book. It's a great book though. Bill Gates recommended his book. In his book, he talks about how he memorized deck of cards and he set it down. And then he said, oh shit, I just set the record for the fastest memorized deck of cards. I'm the guy who broke Joshua Fuller's record. Joshua Fuller was doing three cards at a time. I'm doing three cards at a time. The guys now who are doing it so fast, they have compressed the information to six, seven, eight cards at a time. So they're just needing four or five pitchers. But are they, are you guys in contact with one or another? And do they call like, does he call you afterwards and say, hey, congratulations. How'd you do it? Yeah, absolutely. It's a, it's a great, it's a great world, you know, it's a, you know, it's a nerd tournament. And these guys are really, it's, you know, we're competitors. We want to beat each other when the, when the game is on, you know. But when it, there's really nobody we dislike. And Joshua Fower, he's a Washington Nationals fan, you know, he, and I'm a Rangers fan. We'll go back and forth on that. And Nelson Dallas, he's a basketball fan. We, we're all good friends. There's somebody I'm looking up here and maybe you already know who this is. There it is. Mary Lou Hennor. Yeah. Okay. So Mary Lou Hennor is one of like 18 people in the world who remembers every single second of every single day since birth. Right. That's something else. It is. That's not, that's not a technique. It's not a, it isn't a technique, but you're, you're born with that. Do you know that story and why that is? I mean, cause I wouldn't want to know that. I wouldn't either. It's called an autobiographical memory or an idetic memory. And it's where you can literally, you know, we all remember when we were on September 11th or when the challenger exploded like that, you know, we know where we were on these days, but the, but Mary Lou Hennor knows every day. And there's no explanation for it other than it's a natural ability. I don't know how she's doing it. I don't think anybody knows how it's done. I will say this. Sometimes I am skeptical. I mean, like how do you, but they, they do test them and they do seem to pass the test, but it's such a small world of people who can do that. It's, she's one. So with her, they got, they ended up doing a 60 minutes piece and then yeah, they ran them through psychologists and all that. I mean, every test you can imagine, along with, I think it was maybe 11 people. So 12 total and yes, they all had the same thing. None of them can describe why and then they ran them through a battery of tests. And then the interviewer went back to, you know, two years old memories and things like that that were in the crib and everything else. And that's just wild to me. And again, this was all self taught for you. Yeah, that is some natural ability. There's nothing. Here's the core of the system. Here's what I was thinking of when I memorized that 20 digit number. So when I was 18 years old, I took a memory seminar and when I was 18 years old, I was still living at my mom's house. I mapped out her house, five pieces of furniture in my room, five in the bathroom, five in the other room, five in the kitchen, five in this room, 33 years later, I still use that house to memorize data. So you say 69, well, I've got to have a picture for that. I'll let you gentlemen be creative and guess, you know what we can do. You're another dude. No, no, no, no, no, no. What? What? There's a lot of things in my life that I'm confused about that. I want it. All right. There's a lot of things. I'm like, I don't know. Do I really like the Rangers or the Astros? But no, bad. I know. Okay. It's probably the cancer horoscope sign. Oh, exactly. So I put that on the first piece of furniture in my house, right? So I see that image of the cancer or whatever, another picture for 69. Then I move mentally, I move to the next piece of furniture. You said 24. I thought, so I imagine myself with two by fours and I'm boarding up that piece of furniture. The next piece of furniture I moved to in my brain and y'all said 17. Well, I think that my sister used to always read 17 magazines. So I imagine my sister was on the top of that piece of furniture reading that magazine and she fell off the piece of furniture. You take what you want to recall, you turn it into a picture and you store it on a location in your mind. Yeah. Okay. Well, what if you live in a shitty little place like, I don't actually know what Gary's house is. I don't know. I know there's a bunch of lizards inside. Yeah. I've seen a lot of reptiles. Anybody who's got reptiles is a fucking problem. There's, I got, I got lizards outside my house. Dan, there is a snake I have in my house. Oh, okay. Cool. It's a reptile. There's lizards all, there's lizards all over. I don't know about your place. Yeah, they're fucking everywhere in South Texas. God damn it. My dogs won't stop chasing them anyways. Yeah. Yeah. But what if you live in a small place like, I'm asking because I don't know what people's situation is, but this isn't something that you require an exact memory of your specific bedroom or your childhood bedroom to do this. No. You can map it onto anything, right? No. And going back to a question you asked, you know, 10 or 15 minutes ago, you asked me about the, the, the Afghanistan names. Yeah. This is a good time that I'll go back to that question. I got a little sidetracked on, I started talking about the memory tournaments, but it'll answer the question you're talking about right now. If there's 2,400 people, you're going to need 2,400 locations. So there's 2,400 U.S. service members that died in the war in Afghanistan, right? So I needed 2,400 pieces of furniture. So and to do that, I don't have 24 pieces of hundred pieces of furniture in my house. So what I did is I live in downtown Fort Worth, I got my camera and I walked around downtown to Fort Worth and I took 500 pictures as I walked in restaurants and bars and in Starbucks until they kicked me out. But then I go back home and I load these 500 images into a PowerPoint and that becomes my mind palace where I can load 500 pieces. So you're making one. Making one. Right. Yeah. But you, but you have to be able to visualize it. You can't just like, like, well, maybe some people could, but you couldn't just construct a building from scratch in your own head and use that. Some people might be able to do that. But for the average person, you want to go to a physical location and look at it or at least a picture or something, right? You know what? If somebody was asking me for advice on that, I would have answered it exactly the way you did. It is possible to make a fictional memory palace that only exists in your mind. But why do that? You can go for a walk. That's just another thing you've got to memorize. Exactly. People say they do it and these are these savants or whatever or they play video games. They play, you know, whatever game they like so much and they make that game of mind palace. That's a really good idea, actually. Yeah. I mean, even people that play sports games, making this the state, not not a specific stadium, but the field. Yes. A mind palace would be like the 10, 20, 30 yard line, right? Think of it that way. Yeah. Like 39 for me is the age that Anna Nicole Smith died. And that was a big deal for me because I used to jack off to her as a youth over and over and over again. It's a number of people that O.J. Simpson brutally murdered, and Brentwood, California. And it's things like that that really helped me out. The more emotional, I'd be honest with you, when after these memory tournaments, the reporters will go up to us and they'll interview the memory nerds and they'll say, how did you memorize this number? You could see the guy in his mind making up something. So he doesn't have to tell the reporter, well, I was jacking off to this girl or whatever because the more active or sensual or whatever you can make it, the more you're going to remember it. It's true. Look, it was February 8, 2007 when we lost that princess song. Yeah. You know what I think we should do? We should give Gary like a fucking thousand digit number and just ambush and beat the shit out of him every day. Yeah. And when we're done, yell two digits from the number, just do that for 500 fucking days and I think he'll have it. That's a year and a half. I think my memory would get better at doing that. If I beat the shit out of Gary, my memory would be a lot harder. It's like whale on him with a fucking, not even something crazy like a wiffle ball bat, but one of the heavier ones. So he's not going to take any permanent damage, but it's going to suck. I want to cut the handle off and fill the full accordion. Wham! Wham! 32. Wham! Wham! Wham! I'm in this fucking leave. Yeah. Because that'll have 500 consecutive days. But boom, I think of Wham, George Michael, and then also I think of being the shit out of Gary and that's two gay guys fucking to me because Gary's gay and so is George Michael. But only in both ways. But only in both ways. Trucks up restrooms. Not all the time. That's it. Trucks stopped at that as well. Yeah. Here's that as a mind palace. Yeah. Here's the ironic thing. Every two-digit number I have a picture for, my picture for the number 63 is George Michael. So it's not George Michael, the one I just said? Yes. Why? Why? I'm not a fan of him. Well, I mean, well, he had some good songs, I guess. But that's the one. That's the one. That's the one. That's the one. That's the one. That's the song. That's the song just about grooming young men. It sure is. Oh, well. No, it's fine. It's good. It's good. It's good. You just said live on air. You're a big fan of it. No, he said he's not a big fan of George Michael. Here's the. Too bad. I hear. Pick a different person. And then change your memory. And then you, then you went on to recite a song of his. So it seems like maybe. Yeah. I didn't know the song. Oh, yeah. Maybe you knew the song. Yeah. Well, I used to be gay. Well, I'm afraid of the way. In the memory world, the number 63, 72, 95, the. Oh, yes. Whoa. Whoa, whoa. What is that? That was a stupid thing. I thought I put it in airplane mode. Oh, don't worry about it. So no, we'll remember that, could you? You had to be overloaded. You had to be overloaded. What's the song? That's our Johnny Cash boy named Sue. That's fine. I'm a big fan of it. Get away with it. Can I just prove I'm not gay? No, well. Open that. Open that box. Yeah. We're on YouTube today. Oh, we are. Okay. Yeah. Because I was going to say that noise. Like, if it was that one, then yeah, things would be bad. Not on YouTube. Yeah, we'll play it afterwards. We'll play it out to the show for you. You can open that box after the show. This box? Yeah. Okay. You can open it after the show. Oh, we'll do that after the show. Yeah. And then point that mic inward there. There you go. So let me give myself off the hook here real quick. Every digit zero to nine, you have a letter assigned to it, right? So one is T, two is N, three is M, four is R, five is L, six is G or J. Why not do them in order with the alphabet, a set of curiosity? You could. You certainly could. I'm just wondering if there's a reason you didn't specifically do that. Yeah, I didn't. This is known as the major system. So I did not create this. Okay. A guy. So it's probably works for a reason then. Yes, it does. Because these letters are common letters, you know, when you play Wheel of Fortune, you pick the common letters in the last round, you know, so these are more common letters. It's easier to make words with these letters. This is known as the major system. It's been around about 200 years. A guy named Gregor on fine goal created it in Germany, but he said six is G or J and three is M. So I got GM. I guess I could have used General Motors, but I use George Michael and I will regret it for the rest of my life. Well, now you will. Now I will. Yeah. Especially when he changes the ringtone on your phone. Yeah, dude. I will be your father. You're never going to forget that fucking face. It's the tiny hand that always gets me. Yeah, that is a little creepy. That's a little creepy. It is. It is. You ready for the big boy test? Yeah, man. You sure? Well, no, but yeah. I'm ready. I'm afraid of making a mistake. So I'm ready to go. I think you are Fred. Oh, well, we're sick. I'm kidding. Okay. So earlier in the show, I typed out 50-60 numbers in a row. Close to 60-digit number. At random. Right. You said you could memorize all of them in a row and then backwards as well. Probably. Probably. And then I emailed it to you. That was before the show started. Now, obviously, if you're watching on YouTube, what? Go ahead. That's when I took my phone off airplane mode so I could get your email. Oh, God, it got it. Okay. Okay. All right. He's blaming you. He's blaming me for giving gay music. That's fine. But as you guys are watching the show on YouTube, you've not looked at the phone and all the other shits. So this is totally legit. We got listeners here in the studio. I also made you, what's your name? Kane. Kane. I also made Kane. So his is easy. I think it's cocaine. I'm kidding. I had him screenshot this. That's on my computer now. So he has it as well over there. I have it here. And then you've not checked your email as promised throughout the show. I have it. No, I know you have it because we've been talking and that would have been difficult. So go ahead and this was totally at random where I was just typing away. Yeah. And this, you know, this is Ice in the Kicker. It's it just was an hour ago. So let's see how, you know, if I'm a Buffalo bill kicker or if I'm a, you know, if I mess up, please let me know. But it's I'm gonna get pretty close to it's nine zero nine eight seven. Six. And then four, three, nine, two, six, seven, eight, six, five, four, and then I believe it's two, three right there. And then one, four, two, five, and then six, seven, eight, nine, zero, seven, six, four, five, six, three, four, two, five, six, seven, nine, two, and then I think it's one, four, and then five, zero, nine, eight, seven, six, five, two, and then this is where I'm a little shaky. I'm going to go with three, four. Is that right? Yes. Okay. Good. And then six, one, and then two, three, four, five, nine, eight, and then this is a little shaky too, but I think it's seven, six, five, four, and then is it one, three, two, four, five? Yes. Booyah, baby. Holy shit. You've got that as well. Correct. Wow. Okay. He's giving the thumbs up over there. Yeah. Wow, dude. That is fucking nuts, man. I mean, I was just completely at random, like there's no rhyme or reason to any of these numbers at all. Well, you know, and again, the message is, whatever you want to remember, turn it into a picture and store it on a piece of furniture at your house. But what is your picture for this? So he just told you, like every two, I understand that, but you're going through 60 numbers and I gave that to you an hour ago. So he used to remember 30 pictures? Yes. In essence. Yes. That's still so many. Like, no, dude. But not if you do it all the time. You get, you get like you have a system, right? That's not. If there's something you do, if you're, if you're a person that works with like social security numbers or phone numbers or something all day, you're just like punching them in without even thinking about that shit. It's just happening, right? I've, well, I'm sure there's something that you do in your life that you can do on autopilot, like driving a car. What is it? What do they call it? Highway hypnosis? No, I turn, I have to turn to the fucking thing. Even though I'm not talking about asked you for your efforts, I'm not talking about directions. I'm talking about operating the vehicle. It's called highway hypnosis. Oh, yeah. You do it without even thinking about it, right? Yes. That's how your fucking brain works. You create shortcuts to make your brain more, if your brain's optimized for efficiency, right? So if you start, if you do that stuff all the time, you're going to get really good at it. I can. Yeah. So can you do it backwards? You said you could do it backwards also. Yeah, it's a little more difficult. The last four or five digits are going to be the most difficult, but if I get past the initial last ones, let's go. So it'd be five, four, and then two, three, one. Is that right? Right there? That's correct. Four, five, six, seven. So I got through that. Yep. Okay. Then I think I'm golden. Then eight, nine, and then five, four, three, two, and then one, six, and then four, three, two, five, six, seven, eight, nine, zero, five, and then four, one, and then two, nine, and then seven, six, five, two, and then four, three, six, five, and then four, six, seven, zero, nine, eight, and then after that nine, eight, it is seven, six, and then five, two, and then four, one, three, two, four, five, six, eight, seven, six, and then two, nine, three, four, and then six, seven, and then eight, nine, zero, nine. Oh my God, dude. Yeah. That's correct. And the wildest thing about it is you were going so fast that I had to catch up to you just reading it, which is even wilder to me. It's a system. One of the, you know, I did, I've done a lot of demonstrations that I was proud of, but one I'm really proud of is in 2000, Fox News had me on writing out the Afghanistan wall for three or four years in a row. So in 2009, I emailed him, I said, Hey, you want me to do this again? And I had an idea that they were going to say no, because they've done it three years in a row on Memorial Day. And I said, I tell you what, if you don't want me to do that, I'll write out the United States Constitution, all 4,543 words, and I'll do it on the 4th of July. It's six weeks from now. And I hit send. And then as soon as I hit send, I'm like, Oh, gosh, I hope they don't ask me to do that. They emailed us back and they said, Ron, you've done the Afghanistan memory wall, but we're not going to do that. We want you to do the Constitution. See you July 4th. And I'm like, Oh my God, I did not know the Constitution other than we, the people in May, July the 4th, using the mind palace, I wrote all off 45 53 words. That's unbelievable. Live on air? Yeah. Yeah. I wrote it out on a wall. Same concept, instead of putting numbers in a spot, you're putting words in a spot. Would it be okay if I mentioned my Instagram? Well, yeah, absolutely. A fire away now. I still have some more questions. Okay. But yeah, it's got mention. My Instagram's brain athlete. Brain athlete. That's it. Okay. And then he's got a fucking a YouTube channel that's got about half a million subs on it too. Yeah, I don't get the views you guys get, but I've got some spots there. We'll see. We get throttled for everything. It's also @brainathlete on YouTube, so follow both of those. Yeah, because the other part I wanted to talk about, because usually we ask, you know, about the end of the show. No, this is totally fine, because there is, I'm looking on your website right now. It's RonwhiteTraining.com. So people can hire you to either speak at a convention, conference, school, or a company or teach people how to do this. And I think it's very, very important. How much time does it take to train somebody like me? Well, a little extra, a little bit of extra time. No, it would. No, it would. I agree with you. It would. I actually agree with you because I just think there's too much going on, and I've said this to Dan in the past, off air. I feel like my brain is a hard drive, and I feel like this space is filled up. Well, that's why Arthur Conan Doyle used to say as well. Like, there's, they've made it different in the different iterations of Sherlock Holmes over the years, but one of the, I can't remember which book it was in, one of the original books, but Sherlock didn't know something like very specific, like that everybody knows. And he's like, well, I have room for that shit in my head, because it doesn't matter to me. Right. I think it was, well, in the latest iteration, it was something about the solar system, but back in the day it was something else, I don't remember what it was. But that's something, I guess. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Matt, maybe you're right. It's functions or I've never been late to pick up my wife or, you know, anything important like that, I've never missed a meeting or overslept for a meeting or a call or something like that. Maybe it is just that there's a certain importance I've placed on things and then everything else is kind of like, all right, cool. But if I'm doing a, let's say a grocery list, for example, my wife will have to text me the picture of what the item is. If she said five items, go get milk, eggs, cheese, bacon, and cereal, I wish she was cocaine. That's a guy that just delivers, but I'm kidding. But I need her to text me those five. I can't remember it and I'm just like, hey, or a picture. Like send me the picture of this and then that way I definitely won't fuck it up. What would you do for somebody like me to even start things like that? And first of all, you know, and I made that joke and I said extra time, but that's just, that's just giving you a little ribbon back for you, me. But I will say this. No, I truly believe that I would need extra time. I don't know about that because I'm going to say something and I mean this. I do, I do a decent amount of interviews and tests like this because people want to see it. Today I walked in. You maybe knew there was going to be a memory guy sometime, but you didn't know it was today. That was obvious. But we sat down and we went, you, the questions you have asked are like golden questions. You know, it's great questions for somebody who did not know that the, so I've been sitting here thinking, how could this guy have been asking these questions and not know? So you're a sharp guy. How long would it take the average person to get good at their memory? I'm convinced three weeks you could, I think in two days you could be memorizing 30, 40, 50 words like random in two or three weeks, you could be memorizing a 50 digit number. Well, how much time per day then are you spending with clients to help them do that? Oh, so when I speak at a conference, I'll do an hour keynote or a half a day workshop and I'll give them, then after that I'll give them exercises to follow up on or they'll take my online course and that is specifically spaced out for 30 days. So, but I think it's that 30 day window is, is a great window. Okay. But I'll tell you what, after an hour, if, if I had an hour, if I had an hour to just teach you memory, I tell you what I would do, I would say, let's pick 15, 20 spots around this room. And then I would have you say those spots, Jersey, bookshelf, light, desk, and I would have y'all say, I'm forging backwards until you knew that number eight was the skeleton over there and that would take us 20 minutes. Once we had that down, then I would start giving you information to imagine around the room, maybe the Bill of Rights or the 27 amendments or something like that in an hour, you could be memorized in 15, 20 words. That's wild because what about you, Dan? Is there things that you can remember from the past, like word for word, certain things? Um, yeah, sure. Well, like what are they for example, because I think this will go back to what you're talking about about importance and everything else. For me, it's mostly like quotes and things I've read, I guess, but as a child, the way the reason I got into this stuff and started, um, learning about memory in the first place was a combination two things, one, it was Arthur Conan Doyle reading Sherlock Holmes books back in the day, right? I was just a huge fan as a child. And two, for some reason, I don't know why maybe I'm just a fucking weirdo or something, but I had a big baseball card collection and I would lay all of the cards out in their positions for all the starting lineups of all majorly baseball teams and memorize who the starters were for every team. I could tell you up and down their lineup. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Okay. And I don't know if I wasn't doing it for any purpose other than I was just fucking bored and enjoyed baseball, to be honest. Right. But it was out of enjoyment. Yeah. That's where it started. And then it turned to flipping the cards over and I would memorize, I could like tell you what the fucking, you know, Yankee second baseman had, how many hits he had that year and shit like that. Right. But like I wasn't really trying to, I didn't know what I was doing. I was just, I was doing it somewhat the right way by visualizing it, you know what I mean? But I didn't know that I was doing it correctly. So some of it probably just stuck with me, to be honest. I think I got into a habit of it and it stuck with me and I'm still like, I don't do anything like what he does. I know what it is, but I don't, I, I've never actually tried to do it. I probably should just to see how, how efficient it could go. Gotcha. Because to go back to what you were saying earlier about this of like, Hey, you knew the memory expert was coming on the show. How do you ask these questions and everything else? I feel genuinely, like Dan and I are two of the very best at this job, at podcasting. I would say so. But here's why. I know the answer to that. I have a curious mind and every single day, I realize how lucky I am to come on and talk to people. But I would never in a million years get to meet in real life, talk to in real life. So when you were here and I had the memory experts, you know, circled on my thing, it wasn't your name. It was what you did. And I was like, Oh my God, this, this skill set is so fascinating to me that I couldn't wait to talk to you. And sometimes I talk too fast because I'm too excited to talk to people. But that's just a curious mind. That isn't necessarily, I don't need to write anything down for that just because I'm curious about life and interesting people and all that other stuff. But as far as memorizing it, no. And chances are, and Daniel, I'll tell you this, if you didn't have the name Ron White, I would have fucked it up like right at the top of the show. He can't pronounce anything. It's called you something different, you know, so well, I'll say this, you know, one thing that, you know, the curious mind or whatever, a lot of people in just in conversations, they'll be talking, talking, right? And the other person's not actually listening. They're just thinking about what they're going to say next. And so they're not asking to follow up questions. You guys are asking follow up questions, you're listening. And what that tells me is that you probably would be good at memory because you're able to focus, you're able to listen, you're able to pay attention. Can I give an example of something you may be able to remember from a lot while back? And I don't, you know, let's just pick something at random that you probably haven't thought of in 10 years. All right, stop, collaborate and listen. Ice is brought with a brand new edition. Yeah, look. So when something gets ingrained in our memory, you know, it is there and we don't have to review it, we don't have to focus on it, it's just there. But to get it in that process, it's going to take a little bit of review. Yeah, like February, 2007, and Nicole Smith, that one, that one got me. It's a day, the music died. Some people. Well, I've got the Challenger explosion, I've got 9/11 and then I've got February 8th, 2007. Those are the three for me where I was just like, Oh man, we lost one, you know, we lost a good people. Well, do you know when people in the States, do you know when I heard about we lost one there, we lost anik, Nicole Smith, 20 minutes ago on this show, this is the way you tell me. It's rough. Yeah. It's rough. But yeah, if you're out there and you need Ron, I, no lie, I wish I would have had you at the start of my career back in the day. I lost a massive job one time because I couldn't memorize things fast enough. So we just, it was the, you want to show that the TV show, the OC? I've heard of it. It was a massive show. Yeah. It was over like five years. Yes, I know the show. Everybody got very, very rich off of it. Wow. I got called the night before to screen test for it and it was 15 pages worth of dialogue. Wow. Well, every screen test you do at a studio was, they keep it in this vault and they keep it forever. So like, if you fuck it up, they'll pull it out and be like, Hey dude, this guy's not good enough. And I'd called my agent and I said, Hey dude, this is too much dialogue for one night. I won't be able to do it and I'm afraid if I go into Fox and this lives forever and it was for the lead. It was for Ryan, the bad boy character and I was just coming off of like a bad boy character and all that other shit. And they were like, Hey dude, you're right there. You're in this. Like, you know, and I was like, Oh shit, I didn't want to fuck it up. And so I said, I can't go in for this. But that was only, I think it was the only time out of like, I don't know, 10,000 auditions that it was that much dialogue, but they needed it right then on that day because they were shooting next week and that was it and it, it cost me the job. And I had to say, no, I can't do this. That's why Topher, I guarantee you called because you will get those calls sometimes out of nowhere. And it really is fucking difficult memorizing all that other shit. So a guy like you, I think not just an acting but in CEO world and everything else is vital and really, really important. So please, if you're out there and you need somebody like Ron do it, it's, it's really helpful. Well, I appreciate you saying that. And I think we have a pretty recent current event. If you are in a powerful position and your brain and memory isn't so good. If you're thinking slow and bumbling around, people look down on that and you know, and they're going to ask you to step aside or whatever we have no idea what you're talking about, you know, you got to try to try to play it so you can go to the controversial stuff. I know that. Ever. Ever. Are we right? I mean, you know, you, you're, you're going to, I, I did email the White House that told him I'd offer a memory training seminar and never heard back. Are you serious? I did. But of course I was, I was going to ask that question. I was like, could you like for real and I would look, we joke about Biden all the time and obviously he stepped down and all that. But a guy like you, no matter what he's going through, let's say it is dementia or Alzheimer's. Could you help with that? Yeah. And I do. I believe I have some sympathy for the guy because you, our brains will start slowing down as we age. You know, it's the processing speed, the processing speed will slow down and when, but when you get to the point where it's Alzheimer's or dementia, there's nothing I can do. There's nothing the mind palace can do. You, DMT may be able to help, maybe for real. Have you done that? I have not. Okay. I've, I've, I did my, uh, alcohol stint and it was pretty crazy and, uh, since then I've been pretty, pretty, pretty tame, but I'm open to it. You know, that's, you know, I've heard, I've heard people talk about it with good results. But once your brain is decayed and it's starting to slow down like that, there's nothing you can do. So scientists will tell us we can not, we cannot prevent Alzheimer's or right now until the doctors create a medicine, but naturally we can't prevent Alzheimer's if we're destined to get it or dementia. But what we can do is we can exercise, we can eat healthy, we can exercise our brain with memory exercises that we're talking about here today. That won't prevent it, but it might delay it. Maybe you'll get dementia at 82 instead of 78, right? So you can delay it a little bit. Okay. Perfect it. Cool. Cause I'll be calling you in like two years. I'm going to keep your number, uh, but like this jeopardy and wheel of fortune and things like that help. I would say it, I think we play in trivia games or jeopardy or crossword puzzles or whatever. It helps in the sense that you're keeping your brain active. You know, you're, you're, you're keeping the connections going and all of that. I don't, I'm, I'm against, I'm against the, the games, you know, like you could download an app, you know, and that's, Yeah, he means like gamified learning. That's what he's talking about. Yeah. Like, like the games, the, the apps that say, and I'm not going to mention any of their names or guests, but there's, there's apps that say download our app, play these games and your memory will get better. Right. I don't think that's true. I think you're getting better at the game. I don't think you're actually, you know what I'm saying? I don't really think you're getting better at the, whatever. I mean, they don't teach you any technique to get a better memory. It's just games that, that are, it can be difficult if you don't, you learn the strategy of that particular game. Right. But you don't learn an overarching strategy. Right. Like you can learn how, I guess you could learn how to sprint to the best of your ability or golf swing might be better. Right. Like Trump is a very good golfer, which we found out recently. A lot of people thought that was, that was all smoke, but it turns out he's pretty fucking good. Right. But his swing looks like shit. If he had, if he had better mechanics, he'd be an even better golfer, probably, right? So like you can get good at one thing, right? But I think at anything else athletic, he's probably not going to be that great at it, right? Because he just doesn't have good physical mechanics. So I think that's what he's, what you're saying. When you learn actual memory techniques, you can apply that to anything. You can learn, you can memorize anything after that, right? And it's not the same as just getting good at one particular game, right? Because those games, I've used some of those apps before. They don't actually teach you anything. They don't. You're not actually learning how to do it. It's not a skill. Right. Like you're just kind of fucking getting used to something. That's not the same thing. Yeah. Fascinating show. This is the point in the program here, we get to the drinking bro of the week, which is someone who has inspired you or helps you become the person you are today. Who'd you like to give the drinking bro of the week to? The drinking bro of the week, somebody that's inspired me, does that have to be a bro? No, anybody. I don't know. Let's say you're going to Cole Smith, if that helped you at some point in your life. I, you know what, I don't want to be corny here and I don't want to be cheesy and I don't want to be. You can. It doesn't matter. Well, it's going to sound that way. Most people say apparent. Yeah, it's my mom. She passed away two years ago, August the 10th and I didn't appreciate her life, how much she went through and how much hardship she had. I didn't appreciate it and didn't understand it because I didn't know it until I found her journals and all this other stuff and I'm like, wow, this woman went through so much and handled it with so much grace. So to the point where nobody knew, so whatever's going on in my life, I need to learn to handle it with a little bit more grace. So that's my person right now that could change over time, but my mom's fresh in my mind. Okay. Interesting. Who else would it be who would change it, I guess, like if Buzz Aldrin came in, I think we should be like, oh, shit, that's better, my mom. You know what, this this question was asked to me before and I have business mentors. I have a guy named Kyle Wilson, who really rescued me 20 years ago and he, you know, I was, I was in the military. I had a security clearance and I was about to lose my clearance because I had a $40,000 IRS debt. Well, that's not massive. But when you have zero money, that's massive. And this guy, Kyle Wilson, came along and he said, Ron, I tell you what, I believe in you. I believe in what you're doing. I'm going to write you a check to pay that debt and I'm going to mentor you on how to get better at selling memory and you're going to pay me a commission and tell you pay me back. And I'm like, dude, that is so awesome. He's the reason I got to stay in the military and he has been a lifelong friend. I've stayed at his house when I was going through difficult times. So my mom and Kyle Wilson are my two answers. Awesome. Awesome, man. Cheers. I'm going to find you. Well, you know, a brain athlete on Instagram or YouTube or blackbeltmemory.com, if you want to earn a black belt in memory, like you earn a black belt in karate, go to blackbeltmemory.com. Okay, awesome. So at the end of this show, I always say the same thing. So it's easy to go to iTunes, right, to show a five star and leave a quick review. Also head on over to Spotify. It's just a five star and you can walk away because that's really all the advertisers care about. But I'm going to end it a little differently today. Give me that number that I wrote down one more time. The number you wrote down one more time was 909876. Go to brain athlete on Instagram. After that, it's 4392 and then 6786 brain athlete, 544 and then 23 and then 1425 and then 67890764. Then 5634256792 and then 1450 brain athlete on Instagram or YouTube. So after the 50, it is 988 and then 76522 and then after the 522, it is a 346123 and then a 4598 and then 765413245 or blackbeltmemory.com. I wouldn't have been that promoting, but you put me on the spot. That's incredible. Kane, walk up here with your phone real quick. Pop this into, just pop that, hold that up to camera. I know we're in a wide shot. It's not that. We're in a wide shot Delco. If you're at home and you don't believe it, screenshot this and you're just a man. You're not going to go and see that. I think you will, right? Delco. No, you won't. Delco. It's the glare from the lights. It'll be too close. All right. There you go. There you go. Screenshot that. If you doubt him, you doubt anything that you've heard on this show today. It is true to different people who have verified it. It's insane. Go check out Ron White. You're an unbelievably fascinating person and this is a fantastic show. We appreciate you being here. For Anthony, Anthony Holloway, I'm Ross Patterson. This is the Drinking Bro's podcast. Good night, everyone. Remember that. [laughter] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music]
