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Oh yeah, I'm having a blast. That's good." Alright, welcome back to Big Screen Sports, the podcast where all movies are sports movies. I am your host Kyle Banduho, and today we are diving back into TV. It's been about a year since we wrapped Season 3 of Ted Lasso, which is, I believe, the only TV show that we have done on the podcast, but bringing back a familiar voice and ushering in a new one on the show. It's me and Alex McDaniel, and longtime friend of the show, longtime first time, Brian Floyd, he of the full cast universe and just general man on the internet. We are talking Shorzi. Now, the quick backstory with Shorzi. This was voted in by the Big Screen Sports Patreon group. This is something that multiple patrons, I want to shout out Dan specifically, Dan McFaul, were telling me to watch for a long time, along with a bunch of other people on the internet, Alex included, and I finally dove into Shorzi for the first time, I think, last year and a huge fan. Just could not be a bigger fan. If this show, if you have not yet seen this show, one, I'm not sure why you started this episode. You probably should at least check out episode one, which is all 20 minutes, but a huge fan of the show. There's some lasso vibes. There's also, as we discuss, some great general humor, some toilet humor. This one is a lot of fun. I love Shorzi. I know pretty much zilch about hockey. And this is still one of my favorites. I'm glad we're doing it on the show. And again, want to shout out that Big Screen Sports Patreon group, especially our big chill producer level patrons. That is Aaron Figueroel, Mike Schubert, Steve Rogers, Kevin Frost, Mike D, Ryan Yeager, Mike Dries, Chris Mikoski, John Craig, Sand Smith, Zach Rich, Klasky, and Fire Steven, Devo Damick, Paul Kevin, Inkman, Macklins, E. Kurt Richie, Robert Dove, Andrew Teekle, Benjamin Baume, Jeff Esses, Anthony Scapone, Taylor Logan, Sean Hoffman, and Peter Roble. Big thanks to them and all of our patrons for supporting the show and for just generally bullying us into covering the show and finally getting around to it. So tentative schedule here. We're definitely going to knock out season one over the course of August. We won't be completely solely TV oriented this month. We're going to do a movie live watch at some point in August whenever Caroline returns from her trip. We've got that up for a vote in the Patreon right now. If you want to support the show and you want to be able to bully us in the future to cover other TV shows or to cover other movies or participate in the live watches and our big screen sports discord, you can go to patreon.com/bigscreensports. But that's that's pretty much it. We're diving into diving into Shorsy. So let's kick it off with Shorsy season one, episode one with me, Alex McDaniel and Brian Floyd. All right, returning tonight for the beginning of a special series on big screen sports where we're getting back into TV, returning to the show first and foremost, the great Alex McDaniel and joining us for the first time, he is a man of the internet, a friend of the shutdown fullcast, Brian Floyd, guys, how are you doing tonight? You're doing amazing. Hello, man of the internet man of the internet. I love that. It's a lovely title. We'll take it. So excited to have you both Floyd. We were talking before we started recording. I have, I've heard you on our dear friends, the full cast many a time. It feels like I've known you forever. We've, we've known each other on the Zoom for about five minutes. So very excited for this. Before we get going, does anyone have anything to promo? That's kind of Alex, you've been, you've been keeping it. You've been keeping it tight. I've been keeping it tight. Thank you. That's what I have to promo. Just me keeping it tight, keeping it, keeping it tight. I'm doing a lot of secret stuff right now. I know. I can't, I can't wait for your, as soon as the secret stuff is not so secret stuff, you'll come on and you'll talk about where folks can find the secret stuff. But right now, it's secret. It's an. Well, one thing I can promo is my football team on NCAA 25. You almost rebels, they just beat Nebraska and the Orange Bowl. They're facing Florida State next. So I had to take a breather. I need to come up with like a good plan, but like we're rolling. So we, where are we now? Are we in the, so we're in the finals now? We're in the semis. So, it's 12 team. It's 12 team this year. I keep forgetting. I, we, I didn't ask, is this road to glory or whatever they're calling that now or did you do a dynasty? I'm not, I don't have the time to sit there and recruit right now. So always bro to glory. I am a quarterback and I'm, I'm rolling with it. Let me just tell you about my journey for a second. Do it. I started, started at Memphis and they didn't really know about me and I worked my way up, took them to the quarter finals. We got beat by Iowa and then I was like, let me get in that portal. Went to Ole Miss, bench, second string, started challenging him, took on Jackson Dart. He was toast. And now ever since I came off the bench, we've won every game. That's, that's, I'm so happy for you for the Rebels for Lane. I'm loving this. I'm loving this Memphis, the Mississippi pipeline here. So I'm staying true to life and everything is perfect. It really is. So that's what I'm promoting tonight. That is, I'm so, so happy for you. I'm wishing you guys all the luck in the semis. I have something to promote folks. You can go buy my book movies with balls of greatest sports homes of all time, analyze and illustrate it wherever books are sold. So please do that. But tonight we are, we're diving back into TV for the first time since, since Ted Lasso season three. So Alex, it's been many moons. Been a while. And yet again, we are, we're diving into another show that Alex, I think you've been driving the bus for as much as anybody on social media. Maybe not as much as you were for Ted, because I think with Ted, you were like banging on the rafters just trying to beg people to do it. It was COVID. We all needed something. Had to have it. Had to have it. And tonight we are tackling for the first time the 2022 hockey comedy. Shoresy, we're doing episode one, season one, episode one. Shoresy tries to prevent his team from folding little run up, run down of this episode. Shoresy runs off his coach by letting him know about a squeezer and beats up a bar patron. Not in Shoresy, make a deal to keep the Sudbury sets alive and never lose again. With, you know, I want to, I want to start out kind of like we did with Ted Lasso. We'd say, what's the, what's the big question from this episode? What's the theme? Before we get into it, I want to get into the background, your background with the show. And Alex, I want to start with you because much like Ted Lasso, much like Hot Rod, you were the world's most foremost Shoresy fan in my mind. So what was your back? Were you on this one from day one? What a track record. First of all, Hot Rod, Shoresy. Yeah, because I was a big letter Kenny fan. So Jared Keeso, who plays Shoresy and Jacob Tierney, who's a co-creator of the show. Their first big thing was a show called Letter Kenny and you can watch it on Hulu. And it's just a quirky Canadian comedy and for whatever reason, I was just really drawn to it. So Shoresy was a character on that show, a very minor character. You never saw his face because it was Jared Keeso and they didn't want to, you know, he was also playing the lead of Letter Kenny. He was vulgar and vile and a lot of chirping, but nothing that really progressed the story. You did not know who he was outside of that. The last episode of Letter Kenny, which was devastating for me personally, ends with like, you see the back of Shoresy's head and he's like walking out of town. He's going toward, toward Sudbury and then he starts to turn around. You can tell it's Jared Keeso, which you know that the whole time, based on his voice. I was blown away. He was like, you can't make a show out of this guy. We have no reason to root for him. I don't really care about him. What are you going to do? And then they made this. It's almost like when they took a commercial and NBC sports, primarily commercial, and we're like, you can't make a show out of this guy. Like American football coach, coaching soccer. Yeah. And then they did. So I'm kind of in the middle of that experience. I didn't watch any Letter Kenny. I watched Shoresy, I think kind of at your insistence, a couple other people. I think I finally got into it last year. I did the whole thing on a flight, actually. And absolutely loved it. I've rewatched it a few times since. And then Floyd, you are newly, newly baptized. I watched it last night. It was amazing. I just watched the first couple episodes last night. I'm really disappointed right now because I was on a very long flight a month ago. And I could have like changed the whole thing and I'm mad at myself. So Alex explaining Letter Kenny actually made the first 10 minutes of the episode make a lot of sense. I was like, oh, that's why he was hidden. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's like, it's just one of those things that, you know, people say, Oh, it's a spinoff. So what do you need to know? It's like, well, you don't really, there's nothing to know. He was like hockey plays a role in Letter Kenny, but not because of Shoresy. It's just this very minor, beyond minor character who's just there for like the easy laugh. And then they're like, let's just make a whole show out of this guy. And to, to very much accept a lot of success. So I want to kind of open. We did, we did Ted Lasso like this. Kind of what's the theme of the episode? What's the main takeaway of the episode? And then in Ted Lasso, we rated every episode one to five biscuits, which became a very dumb thing to do. Cause every episode was five. I feel like we're going to kind of fall in the feel like there's no point to, uh, to rating this one to five sticks. But Alex, what's the, you know, kicking off the, what was your, what is your main theme, main takeaway from episode one of Shoresy? Well, you know, I think you need the motivation, right? I'm not sure I would have stuck with it because you don't really have that in Letter Kenny. There isn't this huge driving force from episode episode. It's just kind of quirky humor. And I was like, I probably won't like Shoresy very much. But when you get to the end, these like this team will never lose again. I'm like, okay, I'm here. I will. I'm here for this because you're going to have to answer that question for us. So I think that's, that's the big theme. Yeah, it's new beginnings for this team. Short and simple. We've got our plot. They can never lose again. But kind of your takeaway upon like finishing the episode. You've had this kind of vulgar Canadian master masterpiece just washed over you. The incredible intro to Shoresy and things like that. Like, what was your main takeaway from episode one? So I think it was, it was a good introduction of the entire thing because you do get that kind of plot line to it all. And then it is just like a vessel for jokes the entire time where it's like they can really get off the recurring jokes and they're going to hammer them throughout the episode in hilarious ways where like, you know, getting goose five zero and for the 20 plus the season and stuff like that, which also plays into the main plot point in the way where it's like, okay, there's stakes to this, but they're also playing in a 14 beer league where you can either win out and make the playoffs or if you lose again, you have now lost like, it's one of those things where it seems super high stakes and I'm now invested. And you're like, yeah, this is like washed up people in Canada hanging out for in like his his side job is refereeing hockey and it's very low stakes but also now I'm invested. Mm hmm. I love the world it brings you in because this, this concept, it's funny. It's, it's both familiar and deeply unfamiliar at the same time. The concept of this small segment segmented regionalized sport that means everything to the people who are doing it. And like as someone who played division two baseball that that hits home like the small thing that no one else cares about means the world to you, but also I am very unfair. I have never been to Canada. This is this is a whole, a whole new world for me. Editors note it was at this point during our recording that the hotel Alex was staying at told all people staying at that hotel that they needed to leave because the fire alarm was going off. So she went to the parking lot to see what was going on. And me and Floyd refer a few minutes. The point you were making too about the episode like they were. It's that little segment of Canada and just like a recreational sport, but how seriously it was when like how upset shores he gets when the kids start tackling about about shutting down the team. He's like, who'd you get that from? What? What? And you're like, it's a purely hockey team, essentially, or hockey league, but also good point. Yeah. And he's the thing with him and the thing with all these guys is they are one step away from no longer being hockey players and you can tell being hockey players is the most important thing in the world. It's an identity thing, man. Yeah. No, it's like it's wrapped up in their identity and this is posted in pro career where there's a larger broader meaning of like, what do you do after your career is over in your professional athlete. And this is kind of not necessarily the pros pro, but the dudes that are just, you know, the end of the bench that make their living also chirping and having a good time and fighting. Do you, are you like super familiar with hockey culture because I am, I couldn't, I couldn't be less familiar with hockey culture, but watching the show, I feel like I would love to hang out with hockey players and do this. I just know I could not be about that life in terms of actually one, I can't skate well at all and two, one hit in the boards and I'd be fucking cooked. Yeah, no, these kids, well, it's like those kids are the good example of it in the series like these kids start at that age and to be a pro you're basically watching like, we have WHL teams in town and stuff and I always forget that they're like 16 to 19. And so you're watching these kids that literally look like pros on the ice and they're one step from the pros basically playing triple a hockey in America and you're like. Oh damn, they're their kids and my body would disintegrate probably even at that age doing it. I couldn't keep up with that. And then they also like I have seen. You know, kind of the hockey culture and you see kind of the hockey TikTok culture as well where they're talking to junior kids and stuff like that and doing little interviews and like. Either it's kind of one or the other both but like Shorsey nails that and Shorsey nails that and also the kids nailed the Shorsey kind of element to it. But like, oh yeah, this is how they talk and not even necessarily the vulgar stuff in the church thing really you're like yeah, they're just talking about that that's exactly what they how they talk and like there's a dialect that comes with hockey both in Canada and America. That's totally it. Yeah, it's the quips, it's the quickness. It's the chirp the chirpiness though like everything is a volley. It's like you're watching it. Every conversation in the show is like you're watching a tennis match. And it moves way too fast to me where I'm like listening and I'm like, oh, there's like a foreign language. Okay, you're just going like cool. That's why this is an all time incredible rewatch show. Like, especially because one the episodes are so short, like you can knock it out in an afternoon if you can find a way to clear three hours which like once you have kids is. Tall, tall to ask, but it's yeah, it's, it's one of those ones Ted Lassett was like this too and kind of a different way but like I've noticed something different every time and usually it's like a joke or something really funny that I've noticed. I've noticed for the first time. It's a lot of like that chirping goes so fast, where you start picking up on just a little one line is you're like, damn, okay. It's so like it's so well written and it's funny to think I mean some people are that good at witty comebacks but like I'm not. Like I'm not at all but even like the kids and shoresy chirping at each other is incredible. And the timing both editing and comedic timing of the delivery of it all is impressive because you do have to get it all right and it just like flows very seamlessly. You're right. It's like a tennis match. Or it's just like, okay, they're falling back and forth and I'm going like this, but it's at the right pace. Yeah, I also love like that you're just in this little world. There's like a couple different locations and that's the only the only place you're in for for season one. And so I love that it's you get and they suck you into the world very quickly. You're very familiar with like how these it's like this is all these guys do that they do this. Their life is like hockey rink bar, like go home, go to sleep in this apartment that you're not sharing. Go back to the hockey rink. The scene of them, I think it's like ending. I can't remember which episode if it was two or three of them ending and it's like the five of them. All on the cat like on the couch is in the chairs and just watching TV and it's like these five these five grown men like most of them. A lot of them are like close to close like in their 40s and they're all just hanging out in the in the room. It's very dudes rock like the series. The entire thing is just like in a good way to because like these are emotionally intelligent men in a lot of ways and they're all just hanging out and like you realize that this is part of episode two anyway. But like you realize that when they're all just hanging out sharing sticks and you're like, oh yeah, this is dude just enjoying ice cream. Okay, cool. Just dude just rocking. Here's note, it was around this time that Alex was able to get back to her room, get back on the zoom call so we will get right back with her after this ad break. I am a cold heart man, a wide receiver for the NFL. Speeding is a rush on the field in the zone where it matters. Secondly, I push my limits to win, but when I get behind the wheel, I know the importance of slowing down for safety because speeding is illegal. 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So now I just have a hankering and I really want to travel, but the thing is a lot of my weird sense of humor, I would say, is largely Canadian. Or like it's also British, but I think Canadian humor is just incredible. And a lot of the comedians that we know and love came out of like second city Toronto and things like that. But do you know the thing I loved about letter Kenny that I love about sure is he reminds me so much of like a southern small town. It's just small and we're hanging on to glory wherever we can find it. And I'm not saying that's only limited to the south, that's just what I know. And I think that's part of why I love these shows they make so much. Because even though it's different, the customs are different, it's kind of the same, right? So what's the, the Panini place called if they go to? Terrible remembering details. I don't know. But it's kind of like you guys like paninis. Yeah, like they're all going to the same dives. They're going, you know, everybody knows everybody. They all have a sense of it, but like whatever is happening in sports is the most important thing that's happening in anyone's lives, even though outside of that town or region, it's not. So, I would like to see what the tripping is in the episode as well. The tripping is basically small town gossip, but in talk and crap form. And it all revolves around this very old micro universe where everybody knows everybody knows everything. And it's super relatable, not just in Canada or even the south, but like it's small town everywhere. And that just happens to be the focal point is kind of hockey in the community, but it can be an insert thing here in the community. And this is this fits that anywhere. It's not makes the remark of like this used to be like where people in Sudbury would go like the Sudbury Saturday night and things like that and the whole town being about this. And one, it made me wish that there was a hockey team that I could rally around because seeing a hockey game in person is the best thing in the world. And like having having that small town thing, but it is the whole town revolves around this thing that out, you know, even the the announcers on the, you know, on the show, like the the opener. The bro do to opener there. They even kind of they're very nonchalant with talking about the no show. They're just like, Oh, it's this four team, you know, four team senior league. And but for the people in Sudbury, it's the biggest deal in the world. And that's that's why that's why the show is good for the people in Sudbury for all the players, like it's the biggest deal in the world. And that's why the show is great. Floyd, since this with your first watch, I'll give you first pick. What's the, what's your favorite moment of the episode? What's the best moment of episode one. So like from a set up standpoint, I had not seen letter Kenny or known any of it and kind of now it starts to make sense with the episode, but I liked that they spent the first nine and a half minutes without showing. And even the reveal, like I didn't know who he was or what it was and it now makes a lot of sense, but the bit to just start the show where you spend a good nine and a half minutes, hearing, seeing kind of getting the environment. And then there's finally a reveal. That was my favorite kind of set up just to start it in a good way to introduce the show. I thought was, I was like, where the hell is this word and I've seen, you know, different clips and stuff. But the way that they kind of started off really does set the tone in transitions, I think, from what used to be to the show itself. His introduction on the on the toilet and that rant. Perfect. It remains one. It is so much. It's still so funny. Every single time I watch it. This team is so fucking bad. Listen, my guy. Check the fuck up, Sanguinett. What do you want, Shorzy? I want to never lose again. Can you just finish your shit and come talk to me down the hall, please? Do you think I'm shitting Michaels? I should be so lucky. I'm puking and shitting at the same time. This team is. This team is so fucking bad. I've lost control of my bodily function. You are the portrait of class, Shorzy. We get pumped five goose for the 20th loss of the campaign and you say good fucking team over there? They are a good fucking team. Why don't you go over and suck their dicks if you like him so much. Shorzy. Sanguinett, you're a healthy scratch on a last place club in the no show. Go for a soda. All right, asshole. You seem to have answers to everything. So enlighten me. Teach me something. Oh, teach you something? Yeah, teach me something. Fuck. I said teach me something from a true scholar of the game. What can I learn from a deep taste? We were talking earlier that this, all the dialogue, it's like a tennis match where it's like back and forth. Anytime someone throws something at Shorzy, whether it's Michaels, whether it's Sanguinett trying to like talk him off the ledge or I guess off the toilet. He's got something sharp and cutting right back at them, giving us the term awkward dump, which is, which is really lovely. But Alex, the cool thing about this show too is you, if you recommend it to someone, you know after that scene. The bro dude scene is kind of just a setup, but you know, as soon as Shorzy is getting into it on the toilet, if this show is for, if this show is for that person. I almost told Caroline that today, honestly, which she was like, I don't know. You guys aren't great at recommending comedies lately. First of all, we didn't recommend the bear as a comedy. We just said the bear is a great show. But that was my first thought is like, she's going to know after that first because she's going to definitely say something about the nine minute lead in. And like, what's, what's the point of all this? And then, you know, she's, she doesn't like toilet humor. And that's the way she will perceive that. And so she can make it through those two and kind of stay for the story. I think it might, it might do something for her. But the funny thing is in letter Kenny, I mean, that's a lot of how you are introduced to Shorzy is he's on the toilet. And his whole world is in relation to these two characters named Riley and Jonesy. And it's all just very like Canadian hockey humor and stuff like that. But no, I really, I think the setup is so good. But I have wondered, like, it also has the ability to turn you off. If you're not in after those two scenes, like you're not going to stick around for all the heartwarming stuff. So, yeah, yeah, I think it's good. I appreciate that they appreciate that they had a little bit of a barrier to entry, though, where it's like, look, we're going to give you everything. And like you said, if you jump over it, you're in, but we're also, you don't have to be too accessible either. You can make people kind of get through the literal toilet humor and everything else. And then it's like, okay. With me now, you're going to stick with me much like y'all were saying earlier about building stakes and getting you to invest into what is essentially a series of shirts. This brings you in and you're like, now you're invested in a way where you, if you survive the toilet, you're going to survive. It brings you in kind of at the peak of the roller coaster because there is, there's crude humor throughout the show and sex jokes and shit jokes and everything like that. But that is every, I mean, that is literal, literal pooping jokes. The underwater squeezer, the aquedom, like everything. This says, I think the first team. The first thing he says is this team is so fucking bad. And then he goes with this team is so fucking bad. I've lost control of my bodily functions. It's again, it's the perfect. It's like, we're going to run you through the Oklahoma drill. And if you get through that and you're good with it, you're going to have a great time for the rest of the season. If you don't, it might not be for you, but it's, to me, it is one of the funny, like it cracks my ribs watching it. Yeah, I mean, you don't have to be for everyone. And I think like Jared and Jacob both made that clear with letter Kenny is like, we're not making this for everyone. We don't want to appeal to everyone. But the people who like this are going to get it. I like that. Yeah. And Alex, what, getting into like what worked? What works about this is a pilot and this kicking because it's 20 minutes short and sweet. But the purpose of, purpose of an episode one is to make you to sell you on episode two. I think a few things. The music for me, which I'm just going to repeat myself every episode in this podcast because I think the music is incredible. But it's really hard in this episode to choose one moment, like the, the arc patrol song, Hex, when they're like walking in the club is incredible. They used a yellow wolf. Do you know about yellow? I do know. I had some dates in college. I had a couple who went through a real yellow phase. It was a big deal. It was a big deal. Anyone like familiar with rural poverty. You were just like that's our guy. Gatston, Alabama. Let's go. I, for me, the music just really does it for this. And, you know, one thing too. And I promise I won't spend all these episodes talking about letter kinks and most people haven't watched it. But that is something that did not show as well. And a big hook of that show was how these incredible fight scenes that they, because the main character way and like he used to want to fight everybody in town. And whenever they do a fight scene, it's just so well shot. And the music is so perfect. And you had a lot of that energy. Like, it really was a good transition episode for people who were like, look, I'm going to hang with this just because I love this other show. And it's almost like they're like, we're going to give you a few things here that we know you love. So you'll stick with us. I think that's just very smart. And I love it without taking anything away from the story I think. So, Floyd, what did you think about, about Jared queso's performance and like the lead in this character because since we didn't have the letter Kenny background. This is us being introduced to this guy who is like no one I've ever met before. What was kind of your, your, where you, I mean, from, was it love at first sight on the toilet. And it was like, it was like speed dating in a lot of ways to them like you run through and you're just like, you're, you're going to get to know all of this person right up front, including on the toilet while he's having bowel movements, but you get the like very blunt in your face things, both direct like you're going to get the chirping and you're going to get a lot of direct humor. But then you're also going to go on subtlety to him to words like, yeah, he cries in the national anthem. He's got a lot of emotional layers to him. He's, he's this dude that will make fun of you because someone slept with your mom, but then he'll also be a very good friend. It seems like he has a bunch of layers to it where you're like, okay, a lot of times he's doing this out of love and sometimes out of hate, but you can kind of start to see the layers to him and be like, Oh, okay, so this is how he communicates as a man and he's showing emotional intelligence too. Amazing. Like the Canadian Stephen Godfrey. Yes, he is. He's angry and he loves you. That's his default mode. This is how he's showing affection right now. Anyone who has ever played on a team with anything knows there are two types of overly vulgar teammates. There is the vulgar teammate who is a dick. And as soon as you're done being on a team with him, you never, never want to talk to them again. And there's the vulgar teammate who is the teddy bear who would also take a bullet for you. And surely, I think most of the time falls into that. I think like, it's different because he's a coach, but like his treatment of Michaels early on is very tough. Extremely extremely. We'll get to it in a different category, but some talk about Michaels, but he's just, he's also, he comes out of this episode through everything. You, I think pretty quickly you love him and you're rooting for him. And again, it goes back to what worked is keeping it real simple. It is this guy who this is this is his life. Like you can tell from the hairstyle from the fact that his job is reffing hockey to him playing in this four team senior league and not wanting to not wanting looking like he's going to cry acting like he's going to cry when his 20 loss team that that just got just got beat five goose is, is going to fold. And you you're rooting for him and you're like, all right, we got this bad team. He's got a plan. We're never going to lose again. We're off to the races like that's that's going to work for me every time. I don't really don't know what he's going to do if he doesn't have hockey. It's kind of like that kind of stakes where when he says we're never going to lose again, you're like, I don't know what this guy would do if they lose and he has to grow be a real person. It's not going to translate to the real world, but yeah, imagine if that guy is like your accountant, like he decides to go back to school and he's like, yeah, I'm just going to crunch numbers. I would love to hear him like deliver news about your finances and what you've been doing because he would just chirp it at you. He's asking you what you're spending habits are and stuff and you're like, Oh, man, I got to get this under control. Actually, I don't want to hear it from him. This guy's given it to you. Alex, what else works about this episode. It's tough to bring this up because it's really not isolated to the episode but. You know, because knowing what we know having watched three seasons of this already but it does set up this kind of show where you feel like you're never going to know him beyond the surface. And you're kind of fine with that. And you can't imagine like ever knowing his family or ever knowing like his romantic interest or anything like that. And knowing what lies ahead for him is so interesting to me because of like, I still don't know how they did it in a way that made me care about it but it's, I don't know, it's just very smartly set up. I still don't know to show out of this guy. I haven't seen far ahead and I don't even know the backstory but you can kind of tell them to your point before shadowing up but like, there's going to be a lot of character development here but it feels like it's almost going to be pried out in ways that are not obvious. And kind of will explain him in those ways but it feels like you have a very superficial character that you're going to get to know on a bunch of different levels. You just don't really know how yet. And they're probably going to be as weird as he is and the show is right? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, it's, it's a really delightful character study. Floyd, is there anything that works about this that we haven't touched on yet? No, I think just overall the character introduction has done really well with everyone. You just kind of have these cats characters that have brought in and they set kind of what the relationships are in really rapid ways. It was only a 20 minute episode to you guys point and you learn a lot about people and get invested about people really, really fast, whether it's, you know, the meetings with the GM or kind of even just using the coach as a sacrificial lamb. It all just kind of introduces a series and plots in a really good way and I thought it was done well. Alex, we did this for Ted Lasso. I think we can safely skip over the what did work category in this episode. And it's tough this early too. It's hard to say like what didn't work about a pilot when, you know, you're getting into it. One thing I will say, fun fact, he's missing tooth. Like a lot of people assumed just because he used to play hockey. That that's like real. He had it removed for the show. I did. I did see that. I looked at some trivia. I appreciate the dedication. I know. That is amazing character acting. Incredible. On that subject about like him playing hockey before and this really comes to light in episode two a little more, but it's something I harp on with any sports show, sports movie, whatever. You cast people who have played the sport before or you have people around production who have been around the sport and these people feel like they are hockey people to the bone. That stuff comes through really authentically. Like people who have played a sport, been around a sport, rooted hard for a sport. They know how to talk about the sport act carry themselves in that way and that stuff comes through. If this was a show where it was just like, and again, not to bleed into episode two, but especially when we like get our veterans in, if they would have grabbed guys who didn't play hockey who were just actors who could skate would not would not feel the same because they're like, I see it as someone who didn't play hockey. There's something that these dudes have, there's an authenticity to everyone on this team, whether it's whether it's Shoresy, whether it's Sanguine at whether it's Michaels, how they talk, how they interact with each other. There's like something there that is learned. It is not like lived, not you can't like it's hard to learn it just off a script. And that I really appreciate. Since we're skipping what didn't work. Alex, what is the best quote from this episode? Oh God, that's the one thing I didn't write down. I mean, you could go with the obvious. Shut the fuck up, Sanguine. Thank you, hear them. It's certainly the most enduring, right? I love when he's, I won't, it's paraphrasing. Both times when he's talking to Nat, he's like, he tells her she's a sniper. He's like, you're a little young for me. And then later, I was like, if you were 15 years older than you are now, I think it's so good. I love him and Nat throughout the entire show. And it's one of those great spoilers, sorry. It's one of those great male/female relationships that doesn't have to have pressure on it to turn into anything. Was there another show like that where people were just like, wow, this friendship needs to turn into remit? Was there like a crazy section of the internet that was like... You're going to get people DMing me hateful things about Rebecca and Ted again, but no, I love it. Floyd, what was your favorite quote in this episode? The easy one that also foreshadows is you just give your balls a tug, which like is a comment throughout. I also love the, like, this was how I consumed the show mostly was basically what is like the breakdown of the show where it's like, all right, they're just going to do the YouTalki chirping for like two minutes and just be rapid fire where you get a series of acne jokes that basically reference all the different acne treatments that you can have in detail that run throughout it. And then also the, and at the same time, like the, and the mom jokes as well, where it's like the, uh, faking a jellyfish thing so that he would piss on her and just like two minutes of rapid fire. Like, okay, here's the car guitar solo board of the 8th episode. Throw it to the hockey rink and you do this. Oh yeah, I remember laying in bed as a kid dreaming about reffin high school hockey on a Friday night. I remember laying in bed dreaming about the time your mom tungs my butt holes so good, I put her in my phone and just rolled up the rim to win. How do you make that fucking call in a game this time? It's a fucking one goal game. Yeah, thanks, stewardous obvious, cut the lead. Fuck you, shoresy. One more nutrigena tantrum etiune, you're getting the gate, bud, try these. Whatever. Take your fucking Accutane rage out on me. That was great. And you could just basically take a quote from there every time it shows up. The one that really tickled me in this episode is when they're talking about, when they're talking about Michaels, I think Sanguinet is like talking about his bona fides and he's like, Oh, he played in the NCA. Choresy says, you can't even fight in that league. It's for fucking euros. It's so good, which killed me. Absolutely killed me. I could have written down like 50 things like everything he says is funny to me. He's one of those, one of those people. You really do have to take notes like you're in class, by the way, if you're going to do this because the quotes come so fast where it is like being in college. You're like, Oh man, I got a 20 minute lecture and everything is important. Whoa. It's difficult. This isn't Laura Moore. It's not an episode. She is. It all runs together. She is. Yeah. She, he goes. Oh man. Was that the seven star dumpling out? No. So this, his conversation with Laura Moore is, I believe it's the, is, is, is it episode one where it's the being good to you? I'm not. Is that it? It might be. It might be up to. It might be up to. Yeah, it is. It is up to. It is up to. I looked it by two notes. It is up to. All right. I was making sure because of anything he ever says to her ever could be the best quote. The best. The best. Just right there being good. The Lenny Harris pinch hitter award for best supporting character. I would say this is anyone, every episode we can do anyone but shorty. Basically is is that so Floyd, who sticks out to you and up one? Oh, this is a really good question. I am going to go with segment that being a punching bag and a good one in this episode. It's a, a, like, it introduces him and. And how he's kind of going to be, but also enjoy that he's a good punching bag in the episode. He spends the entire time both being like they're very humbled right in there where he is. One of his exploits is brought up and then he's also trying to explain it away as if it's not a bad thing to. Everyone including the women and it's like, oh, look at you. You're the cute little punching bag and also you're going to be important here. This is good. I like that with Sanguinet, it is, he is certainly like the little punching bag. He is a little, he's greener than Shorsey. He's not as crude. He's more of the calming presence. But we do get enough about him to know like he's a hockey guide. We see that as the, as the season develops. So we also like he gets the, he gets the squeezer in the river. Like he's not, he's not a perfect angel. Like he still fits in with these guys. He's not, he's not being corrupted by Shorsey. Like he's about this life. Was it a river or what is a lake? It makes a big difference here. A big difference. There's like, especially when, with the aqueduct. Like that all makes a big difference. Whether it's a river or a lake, all of these bodies of water are very important. Whether it's removing or not. So Alex, who's your, who's your pick for the best supporting character? I'm going, yes, Sanguinet. Definitely. Because he seems so sweet and innocent. And he kind of is throughout the series, but then you set him up to develop so much from there. Because you see him being a punching bag and you're like, well, where can he go from here? Is he just going to be the guy to get shit on the whole time? And we'll see. I, I'm going to be the, the dissenting voice. And I love Nat. I think, I think Nat, I think that was great. Oh, yeah. I think like short, she's a sniper. Absolutely. There's, there's no other way to describe her. She's a sniper. She matches the energy. She's a ball buster. Like she's not a pushover. She is, I, I love Nat. And I love like, I love that she will stick it to all her players. And I also respect the fact that she is willing to fold this damn thing rather than keep losing. The, the conversation outside, what is the, what is the club or the bar called? It's, um, God, what is it? Alex, I keep wanting to say the dog track, but I know this is what they call the field and Ted Lasso. Yeah. But the conversation out there, I should have mentioned this in best moment, is when Nat ensures that you're talking and he's like, the kids don't want it. And, you know, they, they don't, you know, um, you know, they don't want to win. They don't hate to lose. And she's like, I fucking, I fucking hate to lose. And I'm like, yes, the great ones hate to lose. And Nat is a great one. You got to have that. Again, they're talking about just like a minor adult senior league in a small Canadian town. But it's like the world will end if they lose ever. It's important. It's important. Um, for best needle drop, I know Alex, you, you would already rifle the few off. Is there anything you, I'll, I'll clear out if there's stuff you want to highlight. There's just, it's just so good. I recommend. regardless of what streaming service you use, because I think there's a good, I use Spotify, but I know there's a good list on Apple Music. Just getting, like, people make these playlists all the time of all of the songs from each season. Just listen to it. It's amazing, and it's so fitting. And music is so important to shows, and we don't talk about that enough. Like, it's a character too. Before we started recording, I was talking about how, um, scrubs years ago lost licensing for a lot of the songs they used. And, you know, Bill Lawrence, um, he really cares about that. Obviously, we've seen that throughout his shows. And now when he watched on streaming, they're big episodes and big moments that are just terrible, because they've replaced the songs kind of arbitrarily, and it's awful. But I love the Arc Patrol song. I think Hex is really good. Love the Yellow Wolf song for many reasons, but there's a lot that's just really smart. It really is such an art and attention and detail to that music selection is, and the timing of it is such an art in almost, I'm not as well versed in shows as y'all are, but like, it's almost a loss start in some ways, and we just get it done so well. It's like, oh, that is amazing. I can appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was, um, well, we'll probably have plenty of Ted Lasso callbacks, just like how long we talked about the show. But like, that was one of the hallmarks of that show, another Bill Lorn show, but every episode will come through with like this specific moment because of this specific song. And and sure as he does that in spades. The Peter Gallagher award for the hottest person in this episode. I was thinking this could be since we didn't do this with Ted Lasso, we didn't take the category that we often use for movie episodes. Since with the TV show, it's mainly the same character. So I was thinking like, you know, as we go along with this show, it's like, you know, emotionally or vibes wise, like who's who's acting who's, you know, whatever, but I think like, Nat is a sniper, like a sniper, like, oh my, I mean, and you know, they do talk about how many good looking girls are in Sudbury. Like that is a running theme of the show, but Nat is, uh, Nat is, Nat is rocking it. That is, uh, it's wealthy. It's the look and the attitude as well. And they both fit each other with like, the wardrobe she wears expresses power. And then the how she, the dialogue and everything else expresses power in sarcasm and everything else at the same time. And you're like, Oh, damn, this is hot as hell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, it's an impressive display. Uh, I'll truly, truly all star performance. Alex, is there, is there anyone else who can compete, compete for that? I do think the show gets brings in more, more good looking hockey guys as it goes on. Like I think the, the dude who goes Delo is like, his vibe is, is awesome. But, uh, this episode, it's pretty much you've got like Michael's Shoresy and Sanguine, or really, your male leads here. And I don't think any of those guys are, are knocking it out of the park. Sanguine has a, has a vibe, the hair, uh, all the women seem to love him. You know, his propensity for, you know, not not being afraid of being in a weird situation. If it, if it comes time to do some hand stuff, but, um, sure. You remember that time we did the smoking. I do. And I thought, I thought it was a safe space. I said, Jay Reed had to, I'm not doing that again. I'm not doing it. It looks like, listen, I respect you for living your truth in that episode. But when I, I got to the category and I was ready for us to just be like, yeah, top, you know, it's, you know, or, no, actually it wasn't even this category. I just went with, it wasn't about this movie. And you let off with Jerry Reed, worried about this movie. Oh, you had something on your heart that you had to get off your heart. You need to speak your truth there. I was going through it. That was a year ago, but who even knows who that girl was. But I, it's not just this episode, but I do have everything for sure. See, I have a thing for like the guy. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. He's lovely. He's certainly low. And like there's a, there's an edge to him. There's, there is something respectable about a man who will say whatever is on his mind, but is also sensitive enough to cry when his 20 lost team is going to get folded. I guess everything he ever says to Laura Moore, I would be done. You're like, all right, well, this is a thing now. Like I can't, I'm moving to Canada, moving to Sudbury, I can't, that's what I'm doing with Shoresine. It's five roommates. Apologies to be sexy. There's a, there's a little more ball spread around or pucked to spread around later, later in the season with that category, but it just had to be said. Best time, worst time. And so Floyd, this is like when we're doing a movie typically, this is the person throughout the episode who had the best time person throughout the episode who had the worst time. I would say that worst time in this episode is very obvious. I think, I think Michaels had the worst time. Terrible time. Yeah. Michaels easily had the worst time. Basically was brought into the show to be a punching bag. Yeah, which, which, which often continues. He did, you know, not to, you know, there is some some come up, but because it's funny, when we meet him, he is trying, we find out later, he's not a good, you know, Sanguine says later when they're meeting with Nat and he's not a good coach, you know, but he's trying to rally the troops. But I think we've all seen that and heard that, you know, there's, you always know when a, when a coach has lost the team. It's like, you know, when you lose to when you're a power five team and you lose to like Western Kentucky in a week two, like it's, you might still be calm down. You might still be playing, but it's, it's over, you know, when you have a bad debate performance, you might still be playing, but we know it's over in Jacksonville state, but it's fine. Yeah. Did Ole Miss drop one to Jacksonville state? Yeah. What year was this? In overtime in 2010. Oh my. I was, I was there. Really? Man, I don't remember that at all. Well, it happened. I can confirm. I will say, I think like the, the Alabama loss to ULM, I think sucks up a lot of oxygen of SEC teams with embarrassing losses, because that's still, he ripped off the greatest college football run of all time. And we're still like, he lost to ULM, though. Remember that one, though? That one, man. We lost to you. I was texting, I was texting friend of the show, Matt Scalisi about that. And I said something about that loss. And he goes, Oh, do you mean Alabama football 911? Yeah. I mean, yeah. So the, the thing is, like the Bulldogs, they've had um, it's, they've had 20 of those. And poor Michaels is not only when we, when we see him, is trying to find that, that desperate thing where it's like we, we hung tough with him. Not only does that get rebuked, but Shorsey then lets him know that his, um, his relationship is no longer working out and, and probably one of the, one of the worst ways. I don't think, Alex, I don't think there's a contender, any other contenders for, for worst time, but who, who has the best time in this episode? Hmm. I don't know. Maybe Nat, because she's going to do whatever she wants to do and she's still going to be fine, which is true freedom, by the way, when you're just like, I don't give a shit. I'll shut it down right now. I'll make my rent. I think that's like such power. So I love that. She's crazy. Shorsey is a pretty bad time because he's, if they fold again, like what happens to him? We don't know. Yeah, there's not a lot of good times in this episode, because it is setting the stakes and it's like they're kind of up against it. So there's a lot of people going through bad times and trying to make the best of those bad times, sometimes on the toilet as well. Yeah. I, I feel like Shorsey has a good time when he's letting it loose on people. Like on the toilet, like he says he's miserable. He said he's, he's so upset. He hates to lose, but I do think he enjoys just ripping on everybody. I think that's when he's at his happy. Same with, he loves, he weirdly enjoys chirping the high school kids. I think, I think he has a, he has a good time with that. But I think it's certainly a, it's a, it's the low point. It's they've, you know, they've lost 20. They're on the verge of folding. It's, it's the low point for everyone. So it's, it's hard to have a good time. Um, roster moves. Alex, which character would you swap out with Air Bud? It's my favorite category. Probably Sanguinette. Floyd, what about you? Sanguinette has Air Bud tendencies. I'm going to go the opposite direction and go with Michaels and see what happens if you swap out Michaels with Air Bud and make him the punching bag. So like he's getting yelled at from the toilet by Shorsey and has to be with all that. But it's also Air Bud. So you're like, what do you expect on Air Bud? The coach. So like what you're saying is true, but also I'm a dog. See, I think it's deeply funny if Air Bud is Shorsey and we are introduced to him barking loudly on the toilet with the subtitles of everything that Shorsey is saying. It's kind of, strutting out of the toilet and you're like, wait a minute. It's, it's, I think that would be, I think that would be really great. It would kind of be in the theme of when people use the video from downfall to, to do anything like the, the video of Hitler finding out that the war is basically, basically over. It's kind of that same vibe of you can just put anything funny on Air Bud and have Air Bud market and it, it becomes just a little bit funnier because it's a dog talking about this team is so fucking bad that he's lost control of his bodily functions. And then also like Air Bud on skates would be incredibly cute. I don't think they did hockey Air Bud, but let's wrap this one with who gets a stick, which, which characters we can give out as, as we find out later, we can give out as many sticks as we want, which Floyd, which characters in this one get a stick who gets the game stick. So I'm going to start with Nat because I don't want to make her upset. And also going back to her conversation, she is, she had a hot episode and I really don't want her yelling at me. So he gets my first one because I want to make sure that that relationship is good going forward towards the also gets one for firing someone from a toilet, which is like, seems like a, a goal and a dream of a player with a coach. You fired someone from a post game toilet while taking a crap and we're able to then have to come up with a plan to fix everything. But it's something good there. Alex, who gets your post game stick and why? I'm going with Nat again, because I just love the power of it all, which is like, I'll fold it right now. It doesn't matter to me. And like, sure as me too, yes. But I just think this is such a winning episode for Nat. I'm really happy for her and her journey. It sets sets the stakes that she is, she is the true boss who runs things. I'm giving one a suresy for a moment we haven't talked about yet, which is when he walks in the bathroom and knocks that guy out cold. The unseen, the unseen, the unseen knockout, which is what I forgot about that poor shadowing where I'm like, this feels like it's going to be a thing too. And just for that guy, not for anyone else. It's really delightful. Just like this, this show is really, it's such a, it's such a successful pilot. Again, if you get through, if you decide that suresy ranting on the toilet is for you, it is an automatic, I'm going, I'm going to watch this. I'm going to continue this. I don't, I've introduced, I've told a few people about this. I would be really surprised if there's anyone who has watched the pilot not gone on to watch episode two right away, if you're wanting to watch episode two. Yeah, this is not a show you just watch one episode of and then be like, I'm going to, I'm going to pick it up later. It's like, no, I'm going to knock out at least two or three right now at a time. Yeah, and it's easy to do that. It's a really easy show to binge. Yeah, going back to what you guys are saying at the beginning, it is, it's 20 minutes and that 20 minutes can quickly draw you in and you're like, you know what, I got time for another 20. I can do that real quick. Yeah, this is, I mean, you can, folks, you can enjoy Shorzi anywhere. It's, it's like the easiest, like, you're taking a break from work. It's like, I can fire up an entire episode of a TV show and watch it. It's good toilet watching, especially episode one. If you want to spend 20 minutes in the can, escaping from the life per minute up on Shorzi, put it on the phone. That's the point and go like should do the marketing for the show, because I feel like they're very into it. The way I got my boyfriend to watch it is I sent him, which again, this is up to stuff. I sent him the first scene between Shorzi and Laura Moore, because I knew no way to describe it to make it appealing to him. It was just like, watch this scene. This is what the show is about and he got hooked. So maybe that's the trick. See, I've sent it to some of my teammates, but it's the scene of Shorzi on the toilet. Yeah, watch this. You're going to really, you're going to really enjoy this. You're going to really, really enjoy this. But I think it sets the, sets the stage for a really successful season, really successful three season run. Guys, I'm glad that we were able to do this. I'm glad that there were no interruptions whatsoever in the middle of this episode, that we were just firing on all cylinders, no difficulties whatsoever. You have nothing to be sorry about. It's what makes the show beautiful. We're always, we're always flexible. Floyd, it was great to have you. Where can, where can folks follow you if they want to see what a man of the internet does? Follow me on Twitter, Brian and Floyd. That's about it. You don't have to follow me anywhere. It's fine. Alex, where can the people check whenever the, your secret stuff becomes not so secret? I mean, I guess you could follow me on Twitter if you want. Not really there much anymore. Smart. You could be so robust. Why? There used to be websites and projects. I have just like, you know, it's like, yeah, you can find me when you want to find me and if I want to find you, you can find, I'll find you, but at the same time, we're in our like, we're chill mode. Yeah. Yeah. You guys have also never been happier. Like Alex, you're, you're thriving and you have nothing to promote. Like life is really good for you. I did think it was really funny that I was the drama tonight when I've never had less drama in my life, just in general. And it's like, oh, fire alarm. Gotta go. Usually. I feel like this is, we bring the forecast here. This is me bringing the cap to your life as always. And I show up and the fire alarm goes off. It's perfect. It's perfect. Perfect. 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