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As you prep for your draft, let us give you the coverage you need. Follow and listen to Reception Perception on the free Odyssey app, or wherever you get your podcasts. Back here live, Gillette Stadium and other six rings and football things coming off. Day number five, Patriots Training Camp practice. The Jerrod Mayo era is underway. And I stumble because this team is stumbling. First day of pads, Jabril Peppers was tweeting about it early in the day. Everybody's excited. In the old days, it would have meant goal line. Okay, we don't get goal line, but we're going to get some bang and some excitement. And want, want, want. We don't have a sound effects machine, but there wasn't a lot to today's workout. Tom Carroll from WEEI.com joins me. Tom, am I looking for too much, asking for too much? Or was this an underwhelming day in pads for a training camp that's already been underwhelming without pads? It was an underwhelming day in pads. And I was just saying to you before we recorded, I used to come to training camp every single year as a kid, and I would always come once they got the pads on. And it was intense. You could hear hitting and guys yelling at each other and John, and I came in expecting to get maybe 60% of that today. Like I know it's different than it used to be because of the rules and just people don't practice as hard, right? And I get that to a degree. But man, I was underwhelmed. I was sold the bill of goods from guys in the lead up to this and even mail before practice. You know, this is when the disputes get ironed out or whatever he said. He said it in a much cooler way than I just did. It was not that today. So I'm all bummed. Yeah, I was a little disappointed even with sort of a recalibrated view of what modern padded practices are. And you're right. Mayo kind of fueled into it. And I did want to add a layer to that because, you know, a guy like Dan Campbell goes to Detroit or Gerard Mayo, an all pro linebacker who is not yet 40, young coach. Mike Vrable in Tennessee, there were all these stories about how he's strapping pads to his chest and he's banging into guys. So I think that plays into it too. You think, well, we got a new first year head coach trying to set a tone. Maybe it's going to be a physical tone. Oh, by the way, he's quite openly said they're going to lean on their defense and their running game. That would lend you to believe, okay, we're going to have some banging. We're going to have some collisions, little energy. And there just really wasn't today. So okay, we're disappointed on that side. But this is just going to be a disappointing podcast in so many ways. Oh, man, football things. You got to be real, man. We do have new microphones, though, and I hope they sound good. New wireless microphones that we're trying out for the first time. So if you like them, you're welcome. If you don't, I don't care. It's got to be better than the last stuff. Disappointment number two. So pre-practice, I see Matthew Judon run by Gerard Mayo's press conference, no pads, no helmet, which I think is intentional. I think he continues to run by very conveniently while Gerard Mayo is talking to the media. Then Gerard Mayo and Matthew Judon have a long conversation over on the side of the field, kind of near the helipad. Judon was sitting on some bags. It looked -- I didn't notice this live, but watching some videos taken by NBC Sports Boston and others. It looked like it got animated baby strong, but wasn't just a, "Hey, you're looking great. How you doing? Nice morning out here." And then Judon doesn't take part in practice. And in conjunction with that, Judon, who by the way, claims he wasn't going to do the trash he did last year, is doing the trash and more trash than he did last year. He was almost literally sitting on a garbage can at one point in that conversation. And Devon Godshaw in juxtaposition. So his agents here, the Rosenhouse brothers, Drew and his brother, they're talking pre-practice in the friends and family tent with Matt Gro, with Robin Glaser. They actually had a conversation, Godshaw, Drew Rosenhouse, and Gerard Mayo after practice for a long period of time. But Godshaw's in pads, and he's on the field, and he's taking part in from what I saw most drills where his role is called for. What the hell is going on with these contract issues? And do you see any end in sight for Judon in particular? Because again, he promised I signed it, I got to play on it, and yet he's not playing on it. He's not out here practicing. Don't tell me you're sick, don't tell me you're hurt, because I know if you've got a new deal today, you'd be on the field tomorrow, so what the hell's going on, Tom? It's really disappointing because earlier in the week, he was saying the right things, right? And by earlier in the week, I mean, beginning a camp. Yep. He was saying all the right things. I signed the contract. I got to be here. And he was playing great. He was making plays. He had to pick six the other day, Judon looked engaged, and then something must have happened on the off day? Or didn't? Or didn't? Maybe he thought something was, remember in the off season, Romandre Stevens was like, yeah, I feel good. I think an extension's coming. And then a week or two later, the extension came. That's what I wonder. Did he misread the tea leaves? Was he under the misconception that something was picking up momentum? They were going to get it done, and now it hasn't, and that's changed. And that's why I thought it was dumb for him to say, I signed it, I got to play on it, because first of all, that's not the way it works in the NFL. The team signs that you signed it, and all the time, people want to rip up one side or the other. I want you to make less. I want to make more. You want to cut me. Like, we do all kinds of things. Right. So I agree with you. Something changed, but I'm wondering if it's more something didn't change. Like you check the ATM, you know, you go to your bank account app, and you're like, that's the same number that was there yesterday, and I thought there'd be a bigger addition to that. I wonder if it's just that. Yeah. I wonder if Judon checks his direct deposit off. You think? Yeah. And it's funny, because Godchow was out there, right? And he had a day early in camp where he didn't participate, and they said it was because he had some tightness, but there was some speculation, like, oh, really? Is it tightness? Or is that convenient? Contract tightness, if you know what I'm saying. Right. So it's like they're taking turns as to who's going to be out today, and who isn't, and then you've got the Rosenhouses here. So it's a distraction for a team that doesn't need distractions right now. Young team, new head coach, you don't really want to be dealing with that ever, let alone when it's your first training camp at the helm. So the vibe there, not what you want, and I think they need to figure it out soon, because it's going to be a bigger problem if it continues to linger. You got to trade this guy at some point. If it's going to be a distraction, you're going to have him out here having conversations with executives and coaches that fans are on the side talking about where talking about it, that shouldn't be the focus. The focus should be developing the young quarterback, installing a new offense, reaffirming this talented defense that everyone wants to talk about, and showing that they can take another step this year. That should be the focus, not two veterans who, you know, you could make the case that neither one of these guys deserves a new deal. I know you and I have talked about Godchow on this pod, and Judon, I think he's a really talented guy, but is he a part of your three-year plan, five-year plan? Probably not. Yeah, and I think where this really all traces back to is when he held in last year and they put a little circular band-aid on the issue and didn't really solve anything, so it reboubles this summer, and I think that's unfortunate. I don't know, there's two issues I have here. First of all, I think this is a challenge for Gerard Mayo and Elliot Wolf in their first summer running the team, and I also wonder if it's the first challenge of their relationship. Are they on the same page? Do they see this the same? Is Gerard like, "I want my best players on the field, get these guys on the field," and Elliot's like, "Well, you said, 'Well, he's not part of my three-year plan, so I'm not going to give him $20 million in new money when I don't foresee him being aligned with what we want to do here.'" And by the way, he spends the end of every season injured. Right. He's a hot starter, but you can't count on him in January, and that has to be factored in. I know the guy's great, but... Also, it doesn't tend to get better when you're 32, 33, that if you already are that, it usually snowballs for the negative, and then the flip side of it is we spoke with Gerard Mayo before practice, first chance for him to talk about Christian Barmore dealing with blood clots, he praised the medical staff here and at MGH for the way they dealt with it, no timetable for return, and I don't want to make light of a real-life health issue for Christian Barmore, but we are a football podcast, it's a football team, and they have a business decision to make with the other guys, and I wonder, does that affect your thinking like, "Wow, we could be without arguably the best young player on our defense, on our front, the guy we're building around, the guy we just handed $90 million to, maybe we should cave in and keep God-cha happy, keep Jude on happy." If you are making these decisions, are those totally separate, or do they start to blend together and maybe it affects your thinking? I would keep them separate, and I know that's probably really difficult for a front office and a head coach that wants to start year one on a positive note, but you got to look at the long term here and say, "Is God-cha someone that's going to be, like I said, in your two-year, three-year plan here? Do you really want to pay that guy when he hasn't, in my opinion, shown that he's a top five guy in the league at his position yet wants to be paid like one? I think that you have to stay the course, I think you should be playing hardball with both of these guys, and let's focus on Barmore getting healthy and doing what he needs to do to get back on the field and be a productive player because the health stuff is extremely scary. My wife dealt with blood clots, it is nothing to mess around with, so go get that treatment, get right, get back on the field. I think that the front office needs to look at them totally separate. I agree. I wouldn't cave in. You have to make business decisions, you have to make planning decisions, you can't get caught up in a motion, and again, not to be super negative, but how many games does this team going to win, are you making desperation decisions to add one win, which actually hurts your draft status and is not the smartest thing in the world. I'm with you on that, I wouldn't change anything, I just wish Barmore well and hope he's healthy at some point to dominate in the middle of whatever I eat. He's a beast. He is. He's an absolute beast. He was like the one bright spot from last season. This is also why, not to get in a quick aside, but this is also why I've been more negative than some people want me to be on this team, because I think they have limited talent, and I've been around the NFL long enough to know you lose key players at some point. Last year was a perfect example, they lose Gonzalez, they lose Judon, but every year and you're already without Barmore, maybe your best overall player for a period of time on a thin roster that's not very good at front of a deal, the NFL is a harsh, harsh word. Yeah, what's the over-under right now? Four and a half. I would take the under. Okay. Continue to take the under. Last thing on the contracts, just we don't do, and I don't want comparisons, Gerard Mayo to Bill Belichick around here too often. It's going to happen, but I will say early in Bill Belichick's tenure, he dealt with Terry Glenn, and he dealt with lawyer Malloy. Those were sort of pivotal decisions on how he was going to set the tone for contracts and the Belichick era dealing with players and upset, and he always took a hard line. I don't know if this is those moments for Barmore, I mean for Godshaw and Judon in the Mayo Elliot era, but these things matter, they set precedents, right? Like Supreme Court type precedents, people look back on, so Gerard, Elliot, I'm not in position to advise you, but I would be careful because this could set a tone. And I will say both of those contract disputes directly led to Super Bowls, right? Terry Glenn, no thanks, they win the Super Bowl in '01. They win the Super Bowl in '03. I'm not saying that the Patriots are going to win the Super Bowl if they tell Barmore and Judon, thanks, but no thanks, but what I am saying is look what Belichick did twenty years ago and look how that positively impacted the locker room. Yep, and set a tone and you took advantage and team and chemistry and everything. It's a great con. So now let's get to the field. Sure. The business and the this and the bitching about the pads. So I have to bring up another disappointment and this disappoints me that I have to talk about this disappointment. You know I'm a maniac, you know a hashtag take Drake, I want a Drake. I think he is a really talented guy. I've compared him to Josh Allen before it was cool to compare him to Josh Allen. Yep. And through five days of practice, through one padded practice, through what I thought today was not a very good practice for him. I am disappointed and I don't want to say concerned, but I'm less enthusiastic about what I've seen from Drake May than I had hoped to be at this point. And like today for example, I thought the offense ran the best with Jacobi Brissette out there, which is good. He looked good today. He really did. And he should. I mean he's the veteran, he's pro ready as Mayo said, he's been with Van Pelt, he's got every reason, but I thought it also looked better with both Bailey Zappi and Joe Milton running it than it did at any point with Drake May running it. I thought it looked the worst with Drake May running it. Just tell me I'm crazy. No, you're not crazy. I'm a bitch. Tom, I said tell me I'm crazy. Well, I think you're crazy to already feel disappointed. I don't think you're crazy to say that what you saw today was what it was, right? Drake May did not have a good practice. He took a sack, he missed some wide open guys. It just wasn't a good look today. And you know, I'm playing armchair psychologist right now trying to look at it glass half full. Maybe he's the type of guy that when everyone's in full pads and everyone's fully engaged, he needs to be at game speed to be as good as he can be, right? And we've continued to talk about it. It was a little bit of a sluggish day. So for a guy like him who's a high energy guy, gamer, as all the North Carolina football fans in my life have told me, and there are a few randomly, it was a sluggish day. So maybe that had something to do with it because through, what is this, day five of camp, we've seen peaks, we've seen the guy make some highlight plays, we've seen the arm talent on display, and we've seen valleys. Today was all valley. So I'm hoping that we get to see more of the peaks tomorrow and in the days to come, because you need to continue to see that development, even if he's not going to start from week one, week one on, you pick a guy number three overall, you want to feel really good about him getting in the game at some point this season. Yeah, I just want to see an up and down progression, and I thought in the spring I saw up and down progress through the first five days of training camp, I'm not sure I've seen much progress in these training camp practices. Let's talk about some positive things, because I would close the door, by the way, anybody who thinks Drake may should start week one, based on what he's doing. It just isn't there. Yeah, Jacoby's the better quarterback as he should be, and Drake may not be ready for that. That doesn't mean he can't start. Yeah. Two, four, five, whatever, but I'm just telling you right now the way it's tracking, Jacoby Bursett was the starter to enter camp, feels like he's going to be the starter to leave camp. Yeah. So let's go to some positives. We've reached about everything and anything under the cloudy sky and the drizzle here in Foxborough today. We're sorry, guys. We got to keep it real. So positives. Kyle Duggar, and this is going to turn into a negative, I'm not going to lie to you, but it starts as positive. Kyle Duggar has covered better this summer than I've seen him cover at any point in his NFL career. Another interception today, where he blanketed one of the tight ends, might have been Hooper, deflected it to himself, picked it off, ran down the right sideline, pick six. Here's where it turns negative. Okay. He's just looking so good in coverage because all the guys on offense suck and aren't getting open. Okay. We'll move on from that. He did a little negativity sandwich there. You opened with negative. Best I've ever seen. Clothes with negative. But Kyle Duggar got a big deal. Maybe he's looking to validate it. Sure. He's been talking about his leadership. He's looked better in coverage than he ever has. Okay. Number two guy I want to point to. Key on white. I targeted him in the spring. Is this all positive or does this skew negative? This one's all positive. Okay. Good. This one's well, not really. Key on white is a beast. Key on white is a dominating personality aura. I like his energy. I like the way he approaches his job. And I also like the size, speed, and athleticism with which he takes the field. He just is. Now, again, I don't know what this offensive line is. It may be a total train wreck. Today it was without David Andrews. I want to talk about negatives hit in the world. There's only two offensive linemen I trust and one of them wasn't out there today. Oh man. Yeah. We saw some fumbled snaps too. So center depth. Yeah. No, not there. It was a pitch to, I believe, Ramondre Stevenson, where Key on white met Ramondre Stevenson in the ball in the backfield, like six yards deep. I mean, it was borderline close to one of those high school highlights where the DN somehow picks off the pitch and runs for a touchdown. But Key on white is on my must watch list throughout the summer of the preseason and positivity on the offensive side of the ball. A, mix in more deep throws because Drake may in a weird, usually they say like young quarterback, you want some of those boots and short throws. Sounds like the things that make him feel good is dropping back, not thinking and just throwing a go route to somebody. And that somebody sometimes is J. Von Baker. J. Von Baker has me intrigued. He had a bad drop today. Not going to ignore drops. Polk had a drop today too. But J. Von Baker did something that I don't know many Patriots have done in recent years. There was a ball in the air from Jacobi Bursette that I said, ah, he overthrew him. And then Baker said the hell he did. And he went and got it. That's been lacking from this offense. And I don't want to put the cart before the horse negative or positive, may or Baker. Baker has me as intrigued as I would want to be at this point where the fourth round receiver who certainly has, in my opinion, number one receiver upside in a league where these guys flash, he could flash. And ahead of the draft, people were saying that he had that number one upside. And when the Pats got him in the fourth round, the scuttlebutt was that he was a guy that fell and that that was a steal in the fourth round. So that you're seeing his ceiling-ish right now is something to feel really good about. And like you mentioned, Polk had the drop, right? Polk's looked awesome this week too and it will awesome as a rookie, right? Sure. You're not saying that the guy is going to Canton, Ohio tomorrow, but he's having more peaks than he is, Valleys, and Baker has had maybe three of the six best plays of camp from the receiver group. And he's clearly the guy that's super confident, right? Said what he said on draft night, said all sorts of stuff the other day and his media availability that is of the same vein like, "Hey, I just want to go out there and catch the ball." Right. You know, that's all I'm worried about. You know, what are you focused on about getting better here and what do you do to improve this blah, blah, blah. And it was basically the same answer over and over again. My job is just go out and get the ball, man. I just want to go get the ball. And it's a double-edged sword because I feel like AD Mitchell's in Indy and he's opening eyes in Indy's camp. And you have these receivers that fall for red flag, personality, off field, whatever the issues are and Baker has some of those, but guess who else has those, Antonio Brown or Keishan Johnson? Well, let's hope for not Antonio Brown, but I'll take the blitzburg in Tony Brown before it went off the rails. I'll take the first five years, correct, when he's a Hall of Fame talent. Yes. So I'm just there in a camp where we're really searching for talent and upside and optimism and potential, I think, Baker is one of those guys. Kyle Duggar is one of those guys. He's going to take it to the next level at a higher level. Bar more should be one of those guys. Hopefully at some point he's back out here to be one of those guys, Keon White, one of those guys. Now we just need to find a few more on the offensive side of the ball. My last one there is Antonio Gibson definitely has a spark. I know he's a pass catcher, former receiver, but today in the running game, I thought he provided a spark. Again, I never know how to judge the running game. Even in pads, it's like it's not a game. They're not tackling. Yeah, I thought like Ramon Dre looked good today too. And they did and they never know. And they need, in my opinion, Gibson to be good because they don't have any depth at running back. Yeah. After that, it's like Kevin Harris or one of the undrafted kid out of Oregon. And I just think offenses work better when you have that underneath guy. It just is a good pacifier for quarterbacks, whether it's Drake May or Jacoby Percette out there. So I'm totally with you. If he's healthy, he's a talented guy. He's shown that he can be productive in the league. So that would be a really big plus for this offense. I don't think he's like a long-term option for the team. Like I don't see him as a guy that's going to be here for the next five, seven years, just given his age and what happens with running backs in the NFL. But if he can be a guy that is going to be there for Drake May once he's on the field at some point this season and be a guy that's productive while out there, it would be really big for this offense. And finally, we're not the only ones negative on the offense, negative on the practice. Throughout today, there were false starts, there were guys taking laps for penalties. The penultimate play of practice, the entire offense had to take a lap, then they got called together, then they ran one final play. Basically the message was, according to Austin Hooper, in language he could share with us, was basically, we can't screw the things up that don't take any talent. The pre-snap play, knowing what you're supposed to do, not jumping off sides, and I couldn't agree more. Because we all know this team has questionable talent, and if we can't do the stuff that doesn't take talent, we're never going to get to the chance to even show whatever talent we do have. So, as Hooper put it, we can be a cross-country team, or we can be a football team. If we're not going to get football plays in, we're going to get our running in. And I like that old school mentality. Josh Uche was kicked out of practice for throwing a punch, so you got a little bell of chicken in, you know, attention to detail that would get you a penalty in a game. So, Gerard Mayo picks up there, sends him out of town. But overall, the theme was disappointment. Disappointment, Matt Judon's not out there, disappointment wasn't a more physical practice. And disappointment that Drake May didn't look better. But every day, you won't be disappointed in the information that Six Rings and football things brings you. Because if we see it, we're going to say it, you may not like it, but it's going to be the truth. These Tom Carroll, I'm Andy Jumbo Hart, Nick Fitzy, Stevens, will be back on Tuesday, another padded practice, hopefully the tempo, hopefully the hitting are increased. And hopefully, God, Lord up there from us, Maniacs, can we have Drake May have a wild day? Give me a Drake May wild day. That's what I'm predicting for tomorrow's Six Rings and football things live from Gillette Stadium in a practice recap.
The cloudy skies and light rain throughout the afternoon at Gillette Stadium served as a perfect scene-setter for Day 5 of Patriots Training Camp 2024, as the Patriots had their most disappointing session of the young season. Andy Hart and Tom Carroll break it all down, from Drake Maye's disappointing day to Matthew Judon's exit after a discussion with Mayo and Davon Godchaux's ongoing contract dispute.
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