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Hey fantasy football owners, the road to winning your fantasy football championship starts now. I'm Matt Harmon from Reception Perception. Join me and James Co as we take a deep dive into the position that's going to make or break your fantasy roster. Wide receivers. We analyze route running, target share, and all the metrics that matter, giving you the insights you need to draft the best wide receivers. As you prep for your draft, let us give you the coverage you need. Follow and listen to Reception Perception on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. [Music] All right, joining us now is Karen Gregan. Karen is a rights-for-mass live. She is the most, as Annie would call her and call you Karen in good morning, the most respected, well-known, most-liked reporter in the history of the Patriots organization. That's a pretty good compliment from Andy Hart, Karen. Wow, thank you, Andy, but, you know, age will do that. Ah, it is. No. You are the best. I call her the real Boston sports KG. Everybody thinks about Kevin Garnett. This is the real one. Anything is possible. Anything is possible in this interview right now. Oh, okay. So, so, Karen, so obviously, camp's opening up next week. All the the rookies are going to show, the vets are going to show up. What do you make? I guess the biggest topic right now is just the whole Matthew Judon situation. What do you make of that? Do you think the Patriots are going to end up giving him a new contract? Well, I think anything is possible. There you go. Well done. Well, here's a better way that, should they, should they give him a new contract? I think it depends on what the new contract is. I mean, I'm not giving him a four or five-year deal. Certainly not. But what I would do is guarantee money early, you know, give him a bump this year and perhaps add another year and, you know, kind of let it go from there. He's not the future at the position there for the Patriots. But I do, I still think he's an important, I want to say, transition player. But he's a good locker room guy. He's going to help keep you in games this year if he's playing and happy. So, I just think, I know the Patriots are rebuilding and at 31, 32-year-old guy isn't necessarily part of a rebuild. But that doesn't mean he can't be valuable in the present. And, you know, I don't think it's going to kill the Patriots to enhance his contract for this year and perhaps add a year on. Karen, four years ago, I guess it was now, about this time, Mac Jones was in a competition with Cam Newton. But I headed into camp thinking he had a very good shot to start the season. I don't have quite as optimistic or advanced an outlook for Drake May, even though I really like Drake May. Where are you on the, could Drake May start the season opener? When does Drake May play and how good is Drake May going to be as a rookie spectrum? Well, I think Drake May is going to have to really overwhelm the coaches in training camp and be so much better than Jacoby Presett. I think that's probably the only scenario or Jacoby getting hurt where you'll see him start week one. You know, as for when he might come in, I say, you know, get a dart and throw it on a dart board. It's hard to tell. But I do think Jacoby will start. I do think Drake will eventually get in and eventually start. But the way when that is is TBD, I'd say. So we're talking to Karen Grieg and with that off that question, even when Andy and I are talking about, I'm like, well, you know, if if Mac Jones was able to play and beat out Cam Newton, and we work on the assumption that Drake May is more talented, why wouldn't he be able to start? Like why wouldn't he be able to understand and often so that I would think would be, I guess, technically dumbed down a little bit more with the more emphasis on running the football based on Van Peltz, you know, history with the Browns. So I think he should be given a better chance to start or unless you think Jacoby Presett is a better quarterback than Cam Newton. Well, Cam Newton in his prime, certainly not. The Cam Newton that came here a few years back. I think Jacoby Presett can at least throw the ball. Do you think it was easier? Do you think so? That's just the overall competition for Mac Jones was easier. So if Mac Jones would say was competing against Jacoby Presett, it would have been a little bit harder for him to beat him out as opposed to Cam Newton. Yeah, because I just think, you know, while Jacoby has really, you know, doesn't have a winning record as a starter, I think he's kind of a solid backup. You know, he's not going to do things to win you games, but he's also not going to lose games. You know, he just kind of, you know, kind of an okay quarterback that's going to get the job done, you know, maybe not spectacularly. But, you know, he's not going to make mistakes. And he's going to do, you know, he's basically, he knows the Van Pelt offense. And he's kind of a safer choice right now, I'd say. And they're certainly paying him. So I just think they don't want to make the same mistakes that they made with Mac Jones that kind of led to his derailment. And I think they're very cautious and careful of that, ultimately. Karen, you obviously covered Gerard Mayo as a player as an assistant coach and now for six months or so as a head coach. Do you believe in everything that is Gerard Mayo, whether it's the mural at Gillette Stadium, the silos being torn down? Do you think there is buy-in and do you think that Gerard Mayo is going to be a success and a relatively quick success as a head coach? Well, I do. I mean, you definitely get the sense, you know, at least I've gotten the sense, you know, being around the early practices and the mini camp. And the players of Sal's tell you about the vibe is really different. And, you know, whether, whether or not being on edge, you know, whether not being ruled by, you know, kind of an old school coach, it remains to be seen if that, if how, you know, Gerard's approach is going to produce results or not. Ultimately, you have to have talent to win games. I think a coach, a really good coach can perhaps squeeze out a few more wins, but ultimately it's talent that wins on the field. So, but that being said, I, I really do think Gerard has all the ingredients in today's day and age to be a very good coach. So, Karen, okay, be honest. Okay. She's always honest. Okay. Okay. I'm not being honored. No, no, no. Here's the new question, new question. Be honest with this question. When you heard Karen, most respected, well known, appreciated, clever, bright report of the patrons have ever seen. When you heard that a little bit, a little bit, a little bit. Hey, when you heard that there was a mural, and Gerard Mayo was the focus of the mural, did you roll your eyes a little bit? Yes. Everybody did. Don't worry. I feel like I mean, I could check the box. Thank you, Karen. I think we all did in a way. You have to. You just can't. I can't do it. It's just I'm curious when they're going to paint it, paint over it. It might be gone already. I think that was people fixated on burn some cash. Like maybe that was his biggest early mistake. No, no, no. It's the mural. Have you seen it? He made a few. Yeah, he's made a few, you know, and the thing is with him, he'll admit it. And he admits that it's a bit of a learning process for him too. Yeah. But that's what you're getting with a first year head coach. Do you think that obviously if this was a new coach from outside, I would say the Belichick family tree that he would be treated differently as he as he is now because it seems like there's a lot of benefiting of the doubt going on with him and a lot of like, well, you know, he's new. We're like, they're just letting a lot of stuff go. You think it'd be different? By the media, the public at large? Yeah, absolutely. Probably because, you know, Mayo is in a lot of ways an extension of Belichick and what worked. He learned from the master. He might have a different approach, but you would think or you would hope that, you know, some of the Belichick brilliance rubs off on him and, you know, everyone will tell you who's either played with Mayo when he was a linebacker and player or, you know, played under him as a linebackers coach. Don't tell you how smart he is and how close to Belichick in terms of X's and O's and strategy he is. Again, will this, will that translate when the lights go on and they're in the big show? You know, that remains to be seen. Karen, the over under in a lot of places, I guess, is four and a half wins. I'm on the underside of that. I've actually, well, I've taken some heat because I think if they have a couple unfortunate breaks that zero wins is in play and that's an alarming thought. And my question is, what's the appetite or patience to deal with if I'm right, if they go under four wins and they're picking number one overall, what is the, how is that going to play in Patriot Nation? But also, more importantly, maybe, how's that going to play at Gillette Stadium with people named Robert and Jonathan Kraft? Well, it's not going to play well. I'm not going to sit here and try and pump up a no win team. I think I think what you need to see this year is improvement. I mean, if you see a direction they're going, if you see improvement, if you, if Drake may eventually when he gets in, you know, shows you that, you know, hey, he can be the guy, you know, we find we have the guy, I think there'll be optimism. But, you know, if they're getting trounced in every single game and you're not seeing improvement and Drake may comes in and is flustered and doesn't play well, people aren't going to be happy. Now, when it comes to the craft, I think, you know, Gerard is Robert's handpicked guy. So I think he has a little bit of leeway to go. Obviously, Robert's not going to be happy at age 80, whatever he is with a no win team. But as I said, Gerard is his guy. So as I said, I think Robert will have a little bit of patience. But if they're going to be continually stuck in the mud, that's not going to go over well. All right. So if it's at four and a half, you kind of winced a little bit when you heard Andy say under. So would you, I guess you have him going over. Oh, by not by much. So it's just barely so it's five. So it's five wins. The schedule is such a bear. The opponents, the quarterbacks, they have to face. Again, there's so many of these unknowns. You know, will the defense be as good at shutting down quarterbacks as they were with Belichick calling the shots? You know, again, Gerard learned from him. But again, will he have that same kind of acumen to know how to confuse guys? You know, we'll see. But I think the biggest X factor in this season period is Drake May. I think, you know, however soon he comes in, he at least has the ability to change the narrative. Depending on how good he is, how quick he learns, he could be a jolt of life, you know, in a team that needs a jolt. You know, he might be able to produce more offense to win games that, you know, the defense is, you know, holding the fort. So I mean, I'm going to say, depending which way Drake May goes, if he goes in the positive direction, if he comes in and gives them a jolt, you know, I'm not going to have him winning no games or three games, you know, I'm going to push them up a little bit. Well, all right. Well, it'll start off next week. I guess we'll see down there because I know Gresha and I are going to be down there a bunch during the during summer camp. And I'm sure you will as well. So we'll catch up when we see you next week. Thanks for joining us. That's Karen Geregan, everybody. Karen Geregan, thank you for joining us. There you go. So I do want to continue some of this discussion because there is some, there is some like indication that that the challenge that is that Gerard Mayo. See, that's why I can't start interrupting quick, but that's why people like KG because so we put a number at four and a half and I go, I got the under and she goes, and then how many you got? Maybe five. But there's like a more positive picture. So many other like, let's do trending real quick and we'll come back and finish this conversation.
